There's no such thing as a knife fight

[@KdogPrime]

This is why I laugh at so-called Jujitsu, "experts," who think they can use grappling in a knife fight and win. As someone who has learned some techniques of knife-wielding, I can say with certainty, that even against an amateur armed with a knife, there is no better way to get yourself killed than to try and get in close. The only sure way to avoid injury against a knife-wielding opponent is to run. Don't engage unless you have absolutely no other choice, and you'd better resign yourself to the fact that unless you are very lucky, you are going to be hurt.

[@mariuscatalin5982]

the problem with that its if the knife is taken out of the equation you are essentially dead meat the expert will literally be able to break every bone in your body so lets say he grabs your hand in cqc UNLESS you cut a major artery or very deep and gets hold of the hand you hold a knife he will break it a knife wound does not hurt instanty but a broken hand is useless then he can break the other..................and so on a fatal wound might work but an expert can cripple you for life in minutes 10 seconds to break your hand another 10 for the other another 10 for the leg and the femur you might win but you will 1 be crippled for life in major pains and NEVER be able to function the same or 2 simply die from trauma a mugger tried to rob a femeale in brazil..............she could have broken his arm in 2 seconds and almost did

[@KdogPrime]

@@mariuscatalin5982 Like I said: I laugh at the Jujitsu "experts" who claim they can win without injury. Did you watch the video? Real Jujitsu experts know that their technique is all but useless in a knife fight.

[@mariuscatalin5982]

@@KdogPrime saw a gore video of a knife atack real deal and i can tell you if that man knew jujitu the brazilian stuff the atacker would be taken in a body bag not many people are seals or commandos to stab and retreat thats the danger an expert grabs you and you have literal seconds to escape or be turned intoo broken bones

[@calebhall3425]

Running away isn't always possible

[@ColdNapalm42]

@@mariuscatalin5982 I'm sorry...but that is just as delusional as people claiming that aikido techniques are good for self defense. Or do you think that just because you do BJJ, you somehow can make your arms work while having tendons cut? Or maybe you are just cut proof completely. If you are unarmed and MUST fight somebody with a knife...you are screwed. If they have even one iota of skill in using that knife...you are dead. How you survive a knife attack unarmed is to train in track and field and parkour so you can create space. Find an improvised weapon with more reach. Beat them with said weapon.

[@gingercore69]

Some places in argentina still have knife duels... One of the strategies is to cut at the wrist of the attacker... If you do it deep enough, you cut the tendon, if that happen they WILL drop their knife... Another one is to use your poncho or jacket to block the knife an cut at the guts... And then get some distance... That way, if they chase they spill their own guts because they are open and moving... Another one is to trip/sweep and finish them on the ground... Im not a knife duelist, but i have a friend who has some experience and almost no scars other than his arms or face... Im happy i dont live in a place like that anymore...

[@akumabakemono1447]

Ta jodida la mano che jajaja ¿En qué lugar de Argentina fue? ¿Hubo Esgrima Criolla involucrada?

[@gingercore69]

@@akumabakemono1447 teniendo en cuenta los ponchos diria que si... El chabon era hijo de paraguayos vinieron del norte, nunca supe donde del norte, el vivió siempre en argentina... Donde yo vivia antes de mudarme no habia duelos de facon pero si habia bastante violencia, una vez en una juntada con amigos, un flaco le pegó un tiro al otro por una deuda... De la nada... Onda, un segundo estaban tomando juntos y al otro le dio plomo para llevar.. cuando me mudé a un pueblo mas chico dejé de ver tanta violencia, y ahi lo conocí al pibe este que venia del norte... Deberia preguntarle de qye provincia vino... Pwro espero bo se ofenda y me de un puntazo xD

[@gingercore69]

@@akumabakemono1447 me retracto, hubo un tiroteo a media cuadra de mi casa... Capaz no existen los barrios tranquilos en argentina...

[@allanh7137]

Gauchos

[@hollickrichard]

the Navaja which is both the knife and the honor duel fight originated in spain and is thought to have traveled to argentina and other south american countries this may be the orogin of what you are describing.

[@anthonygerber8261]

So in Eskrima, we're taught to attack the weapon limb first before going to any targets like throat, gut, etc.

[@ChuShinTani]

That is good advice.

[@allengordon6929]

Hema to. You never leave the weapon hand unaccounted for.

[@nicholasricardo8443]

Great video, there are only stabbings. As they say, the loser of a knife fight dies in the alley, the winner dies in the ambulance.

[@stefanh5699]

Yeah and if you don't have a knife and someone else does only you die and they get away clean.

[@mikcarrillo3527]

This is a great discussion. Addressing the romantic view of knife dueling. The realistic probability you will get killed or serious injured . In engaging with a knife. Sword duels in medieval Japan. Mostly ended in mutual slaying.

[@ChuShinTani]

Thanks for watching!!

[@billybadtoes]

The best kiife fights are the ones i didn't get into

[@ChuShinTani]

Best comment I've seen in a month.

[@billybadtoes]

@@ChuShinTani ive been cut and I've been shot.getting cut hurt like hell but getting shot didn't hurt at all but i don't recommend either

[@danielmedina2078]

I've been in 2 knife fights I was young stupid and drunk . . . Respect to the old black guy that just wounded me and let me go. Long Beach was a trip in the 80's.

[@alancranford3398]

Your title, "there's no such thing as a knife fight," piqued my interest. January, 2004, Fort Lewis, Washington with the321st Signal Company, Nevada Army National Guard en route to Kuwait: I had managed to get a two-hour block of instruction to train the other members of my platoon and as many other company members as would attend in knife combat. My first words were to the effect that I lied to them about instruction in knife fighting. "Fights" gave the enemy a chance to win. What I was teaching was how to kill with blades. I stressed several principles that relied on surprise--the enemy shouldn't know the knife is present until it's too late. Sometime in 2007 I was in my second class for a Nevada Concealed Firearm Permit (I had a permit since 2002 and was renewing, attended class because I had been overseas for a year) in the Silver State Firearms Academy. The retired sheriff's deputy handed me a rubber knife for a demonstration of the Tueller drill, so I palmed the foot-long piece of rubber in my left hand. He stopped the class and had me explain what I was doing and why. I had a few minutes to demonstrate deception needed to close the distance (including creeping closer while not visibly armed) and when I attacked with the gun-armed demonstrator (rubber gun--lucky for me) everybody agreed that I had managed to disarm, disable and dispatch the other student. We swapped, I stepped behind a chair, and when he flashed his knife, I shouted BANG and recited Ability, Opportunity and Intent. "See?" the retired deputy said, "The gun can beat a knife." Neither class was "knife fighting" because I didn't give the other guy a sporting chance--personal defense isn't a sporting event. I did suggest "don't bring a gun to a knife fight--keep your distance and expend your bullets." Asymmetrical warfare -- when I was in the Sandbox my company had zero pistols. I carried a telescoping baton at all times and a knife or two. My assigned weapon was the M249 Squad Automatic Weapon with 200 to 800 rounds depending upon my mission that day. The local culture was a knife culture and there were several knife casualties in Iraq to the north, but I was so far to the rear that our radio relay stations were sometimes the only Americans for a distance of 100 miles. I wasn't equipped or trained for knife fighting.

[@briansydnor4331]

"Okay, NOW let's see Maya defend herself with...this 4-pack of Guinness, and her Disney+ account." (Later...) "...Well, that was interesting. Let's see how she did....Wow, she didn't get stabbed at all! They are both watching Wandavision, and she made a new ally to aid her in future knife attacks! Aiki is restored! Great job, Maya! 🙏"

[@ChuShinTani]

She can do it too!

[@barrysmith1202]

reading about the magic marker drills is one thing... you have the absolute best knife-fight debunking i've come across in all my decades (at 67)

[@MrLoudthought]

I mean....the Arditi Italian special forces in 1917 might disagree with the title of the video, at the very least.... interesting interpretation of blade combat

[@RealJDTactical]

This is th best video when it comes to "knife fighting" I've seen. Many people believe you can just take the knife, and it will never be that easy, you will always get cut

[@vigeeking4370]

Haven't had a chance to watch this one yet, but I used to teach some knife fighting even though I am woefully unqualified. But one of the first things I teach is what I was taught: how to get cut. I like Crafty's way of putting it: in a knife fight you have three possible outcomes. If you're that much better than your opponent, you live. If you are not, and are approximately equal, you are both going to likely have life-altering injuries. If your opponent is that much better than you, then you won't even be able to take them with you. Occasionally, this would be met with doubt, because inevitably there was some reason why this student was "that good." I would then recommend they go home, get a white shirt, take the cap off a marker, hand it to a five year old, and then try to take it back from them. If you can't get a marker out of a five year olds hands without getting marked up, what hope do you have against a Todd?

[@ChuShinTani]

From that I think you'll like the video! And the podcast episode ( the one coming out today ).

[@vigeeking4370]

@@ChuShinTani podcast you say? Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. As well as whatever other periodicals you offer.

[@ChuShinTani]

@@vigeeking4370 Aikido Discussed is the podcast- I'll link the episode for you!

[@ChuShinTani]

@@vigeeking4370 soundcloud.com/user-697207805/ep-45-riffn-on-knives here you go sir!

[@TheUnclefester13]

A knife fight generally ends up with one dead at the scene, and the other dead on the way to the hospital.

[@ricardovencio]

At t=22:32 there is a real piece of wisdom "your not trying to engage with a force that is superior to you" makes total sense.

[@rupertsedlmayr584]

Very well produced video and I see why you argue in this way. But: 1) In knife, the protection can be found in dodges and attack timing and distance-control, not in blocks of deflections. In sparring between experienced knife fighters, there is very little contact. 2) Why are the two fighters not even trying to keep their distance? There is no sense of self-protection in them. "Hit without getting hit" is the first rule in all weapon-using martial arts.

[@ChuShinTani]

Thank you! I'll try to answer your questions without writing a novel- but it's a good and complex question(s) you are asking! *Question 1: The use of distancing, timing, and dodges as defense in Knife "fights".* - I totally agree- the best way to deal with a person armed with a knife is to use distancing, timing and movement. However, your ability to use these tools will drastically improve if you are not trying to "get the other guy back". For example, if you want to use distancing (we both agree a good idea), the second you choose to use your knife to attack, you will lose that distance (if you are "fighting"). In Aikido we try to distance, not to set up an attack but simply to get away- the second we think about "fighting" we will lose that safe distance. The idea of "fighting" and distancing does not work- unless you have a superior weapon (which is something I talked about in the video- and is not a knife on knife fight). reducing a "knife fight" to a movement skill and timing skill "in distance" is equally a bad idea. At close range, there is not enough reaction time to skew the odds drastically in favor of the trained person. This is illustrated in Silvers Paradox 24- which is basically says the weapon(knife) is not big enough, and the reaction time is not long enough to consistently defend yourself. Now this kind of thing can be done in a "game" (which might be a deadly game). The game would be a, " _who-can-get-who-first timing and quick action game"_- that game will usually be won by the person with the fastest action and reaction time. *Question 2: Why are the demonstrators in the video not even trying to keep distance.* -- This was done on purpose, to get around the first set of problems I outlined above. If we presuppose that all physical conflict involving knives is done in a "gaming" fashion as I described above- you might be tempted to believe that knife fights can exist. And if every knife situation was a "game", you might be right. Be we all know that many knife conflicts are not games at all. The ability to play a game means you will know the rules, play sensibly and take reasonable tactics. *However* in fights- people don't do that. They become unreasonable, make bad choices and choose foolish tactics. If you believe we are playing a knife "game" and someone doesn't want to play that game, but instead rushes in at you, blindly swinging a knife, could you stop them? I think not- I think you would very likely cause them serious injury- but I think that more likely than not, they would also cause you serious injury. You can not out-skill a knife fight. Games and fighting are different things. While knife games do exist (I've played many of them myself) Knife fights don't- only mutual murder. Sorry for the VERY long reply, but it is a very complex subject, and you asked a very good question. Thanks for watching!

[@Mothara]

Please wear eye protection when doing marker sparring :)

[@lendersbagels01]

Knife fight: Both combatants die. Knife vs. Aikido: Knife wielder lives... Glad I wasted 20 minutes of my day.

[@ChuShinTani]

Or I saved you 20 years...

[@legalmechman]

Ahhh...memories! We used to train like this. The problem with the gun scenario is that statistically people break off the attack and run when they hear a gun shot (which is why a .22 is statistically enough)...however, it's the anomalies that'll kill you! Awesome video! Now take their training up a notch...use stun knives! It's all well and good to mark each other up, but can you continue to fight through the brutal pain? It's an eye opener, for sure, the first time a stun knife hits your side! Keep putting out these awesome, informative videos! We need more truth out there!

[@1ばかぶた]

agree with most of it. but sometimes, you need to fight a bit to make someone who can help you appear. for example you are in a place where no one can really help you, like locked in a warehouse. and you are attacked by some bad people. what would you do, just give your body to them? or you engage in a fight a bit? maybe someone from opponent's side will have a heart and help us a little?

[@elijahhatcher8840]

I disagree, there's many types of fights and I don't think not being able to block or stop an attack disqualifies an engagement from being a fight. Two men standing in the street trading punches, just beating on each other still will classify as a fight, therefore knife fighting is a fight just on another level. When a knife is involved things can be very ugly, and in close quarters a knife can be scarier than a gun.

[@ChuShinTani]

As I said, purposely provocative... I want people to thing about it more that they currently do.

[@elijahhatcher8840]

@@ChuShinTani ok I think I got the point. I guess some people don't think about how insane a knife can be, however I myself need to try some knife drills. I think it would be interesting mix up different mind sets with approaches (Jujutsu approach with aiki mind set, etc) might be fun to play around with.

[@Anothergoogleaccount1]

Someone in the Marines said it best “these techniques will help you but if you get in a knife fight with someone that actually knows what they are doing you are better off shooting them” I feel like knife combat IRL is about taking down your opponent quickly before they can do anything to you.

[@MrLoudthought]

And to the point of the long range club....i work the door at a few strip clubs and the only time I've encountered an issue with a knife, i luckily I was equipped with an extendo club amongst other equipment...and the extendo was perfect for the situation to not only stave off the initial attack, but to also buy me time until the other bouncers working could get to where the altercation was occuring. I did not sustain any life changing injuries, to tie it back to the video

[@ChuShinTani]

That is exactly the type of situation we are working with in our Aikido. I'm glad you escaped in good health!

[@billybadtoes]

I knive fight is like playing poker with real money because your gonna less timid about betting with nothing as they both knew that they wouldn't get hurt using markers

[@-westman3619]

Maya with that thumbs up and the marker on her face lololol

[@ChuShinTani]

She was having too much fun!

[@hiddenpathwingchun5045]

Great video and channel. New subscriber. Knives [at short range] are like guns which don't run out of bullets. It is a game of injury and death by its very nature. I agree we need to use caution when addressing this topic. Thus, I hope NO ONE has to deal with this scenario in the real world. However, if I had NOT been trained to address disarms because the assumption is a disarm is "impossible", then I would be dead many times over. So, I do have a different view. Here are my two cents: Having disarmed two deadly knife attacks in enclosed spaces [one from a HIGHLY trained assailant], I feel this topic is INCREDIBLY important. In truth, a proper disarm is not difficult if one focuses on energy and principle rather than trying to "catch" or "grapple" the blade. I've also had to disarm clubs and a pipe wrench attack with the same concepts. First: an armed knife hand is slower than the "ligament" snap of an unarmed hand or fist. If we "accept" what his happening, we will have an advantage in speed and response. If we "deny" it and are "tense", then we have already lost. This difference in MINDSET is key. As is "baiting" rather than making the attack a game of distance or back-and-forth. Relaxation is vital. Instead of focusing only on range: Angle the spine [turn or offset their "spear" or line of attack]. This draws an opponent inward, especially if they don't "feel" resistance [invisible or unapparent force/softness]. This means we can then "peel" the thumb or use other techniques but also conform to their contact. In truth, I did not move my feet when I was attacked [not that there was much room to move as they cornered me]. I let the opponent advance as if I would present no resistance, then "de-fanged" each blade as I baited their forward thrust. People are [often] conditioned to take the opening one "gives" them. In Wing Chun I call this "crossing the line". This principle of energy is in the Wing Chun Siu Nim Tao form near the beginning. I often state: Wing Chun is an energy-based art NOT a movement-based art. Movement is a RESULT intention [an idea applied]. The key is the "line" of attack and learning to use softness to cross and be "beside" the line of force in order to control. I believe Aikido is also an energy-based art and that is why those who use Aikido "outwardly" based on movement rather than principle often fail. I drill those I train with a butter knife [you can put grease or some coating on it if a "mark" is needed; but only put it on the edge of the blade: the flat of the blade is not deadly and is a contact point which can be used to lever the weapon against the thumb]. The reason I dislike using "markers" is because they bend. One key to disarms is the thumb. One must learn to "lever" the thumb and cross [spiral] back & or "take" the line [driven from elbows & knees] of the opponent. Therefore, anything which "gives" like a plastic marker removes a key element of the lever and the grip. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZync3l8btqWpZo I touch on disarming principles a bit in this above link: 49:17 to the 55:24 mark. There are also concepts of limb destruction or pressure points which are quite effective if understood. For instance, there is a point one can hit below the wrist where the forearm thins which will cause someone to drop the blade the majority of the time. Even if they happen to keep the blade the arm is affected, deadened and becomes weakened. There is also a "fumbling" point high on the underside of the forearm which I have used against an armed attacker which made him drop his club. There are many other effective principles as well such as "peeling" the thumb. Never mind low kicks and knee destruction. I understand your view as we need to be honest as to our strengths and limitations. But if a lunatic is intent on killing us [as I have experienced more than once], it is better to have an informed idea of how to respond and maximize our odds with acceptance of the life-and-death nature of the event and without arrogance. Frankly, Aikido demonstrates useful techniques including Atemi or striking the tendons coming up the underside of the forearm. Aikido's principles of Harmony and Passing [circular, "vacating" movement] and also knowing how to be "beside" the line is a distinct advantage over many other arts, especially against blades, in my view [though I am NOT an Aikido expert by any means!]. I look forward to more content and sorry for the dissertation. Thank you.

[@stevenlowe3245]

Thanks to movies of the era, knife on knife fights were common in the 1970's. I witnessed plenty growing up in L.A. and got caught up in a couple. Usually ended after first blood but a few were pretty bloody. Gangs liked machetes back then too.

[@justinquaid2610]

I enjoy the scenarios that you play out, however I think you need a lot more training with the knife to understand that is an art. I've been doing martial arts 29 years now and 27 of those years I've been studying the knife. The knife takes a lot of time to get good at just like any other martial arts. It took me 10 years where I could I get to the point where I gained proper timing, so I could get to the disarms at full speed. It's takes a lot time. At the higher level it's an art. A dance of death. It takes 10 to 15 years to start getting a person to get proficient where they could truly fight with it.

[@ChuShinTani]

With all that training- do you believe that if a large athletic person with a knife, violently attacked, with no regard for their own safety- you would likely be uninjured in that situation as long as you also had a knife?

[@iammichael1094]

Also a 1 inch hard wood breaks bones if not paralysis of the muscle...I doubt after one or two hits from a live stick a knife attack would continue.

[@monopolythesecond]

If that was a real knife fight that would have been very bloody

[@jodyguilbeaux8225]

we trained using techniques against a knife. a very scary situation because one false move could be fatal. and the instructor trained us, but was always caution or worried about the outcome on the street. he was more comfortable taking a gun away than a knife and he was a 7th dan.

[@dvmartial]

Firstly, I agree with the premise, however there are some flaws in the logic behind the demonstrations. Boxing demonstration mentioned covering. What about slipping, weaving, and other evasion strategies? Boxers don't simply swing at each other, they choose their time to attack, while avoiding being hit. Knife on knife - The amount of strikes on each participant wouldn't happen because each of them would have been affected by the injuries that they sustained. Neither tried to evade attacks while choosing time to attack. Limbs can be attacked as a defensive measure, which would affect the opponent's ability to continue attacking. Firearm vs knife - knowing when the knife wounds happened as she was firing her weapon. Bullet wounds would affect the continued attack. Again, I agree with the premise but the there are many factors that could lead to misleading conclusions.

[@ChuShinTani]

Slipping and weaving are great in a boxing match, but not as good when facing a knife. A grazing punch does little to nothing, a knife being dragged against lightly covers skin can eviscerate. Attacking the limbs of a knife wielding attacker is your best bet. However when equally armed, it's a toss of the dice, as he can also reach your limbs when you attack. Luckiest person wins. While I can understand the argument (as I said in the video) being able to consistently do this would require a huge amount of skill- an amount that the average training person will likely never achieve. This also can't account for a person who will gladly sacrifice their own safety to attack you. Look, it's a big world, lots of things can and do happen in it, but the odds are, if you get in a "knife fight" you're going to have life altering injuries if both of you are serious about causing damage. I believe skill in this area of conflict (dealing with knives) that doesn't include use of longer more powerful weapons while keeping distance, does little to change those odds.

[@cocoymadera9005]

Great Video sensei and very educational but in real scenarios it's better to have something in your hand ( knife, fork, spoon, club, stick, tables, etc.) to defend yourself than just your bare hands. Yes, striking and grappling arts are good but the probability to double your chances of Survival (escaping, buying some time, or being superior to your assailant) is to have a weapon. The assailant would think twice because you have the means to hurt him/them to or an EQUALIZER. When it comes to "knife fights" yes there is my friend even "bolo vs bolo, knife vs bolo, bolo vs rifle, knife vs rifle"

[@ChuShinTani]

Sounds like you understood the point of the video!

[@ryanadams3091]

This really isnt real world scenario but a great representation of damage

[@DarthGibberish]

"No such thing as a knife fight." Col. Jim Bowie: "I beg your pardon suh?"

[@ChuShinTani]

After reading how he faired in those fights, I'll stand by my statements.

[@DarthGibberish]

@@ChuShinTani that he survived all of them and kept willingly getting into them, I submit that it wasnt as bad as you think.

[@6foot7dad]

Great stuff as always. Thank you :-) I would like to add- I have had a gun pointed at me right after someone else was shot, on another occasion I had a gun held to my head. For some reason when a knife is presented to me I actually worry more than when the guns were pointed at me. I really hate knives.

[@monopolythesecond]

Why are people pointing guns at you

[@scottbauer71]

Wrist and head control plus taking the initiative saved me once against a drunk with knife

[@bluelionsage99]

Many videos have shown that a person can rush you from even ten feet away before most people can conceal carry draw. But she fired off a number of shots at point blank range. The first one could have easily taken out the attacker's leg and ended the attack. Many of her marker wounds came after numerous shots were fired. I believe you are discounting the usefulness of a gun by a great deal. Not to mention not a huge number of people will keep coming after you when you start shooting at them.

[@ChuShinTani]

We are not discounting what the gun could do at all- but the purpose of our system is to make distance until there is no longer a threat. She is able to move, shoot and stay away from that knife for just that reason.

[@bernieeod57]

Knife on knife fight: The loser dies on the spot, the winner dies in the ER

[@rustyshackleford4822]

I learned this in Okinawa Karate: 1. Displace the target ( that’s you. Get yourself out of the way) 2. Control the weapon ( which is a misnomer because you’re controlling the guy who has the weapon) Example: grab his wrist and bring it in close to your body. 3. Control the mind or get their mind off the matter. (Hit them!) 4. Control the foundation ( sweep the leg, Johnny) All due respect I don’t get aikido. I realize in a knife fight it’s inevitable you’re gonna get cut but there’s no way to get your attacker under control or escape. You’re basically just shoving him out of the way. You’re gonna wear yourself out. Meanwhile he’s swinging that knife wildly and if you take a knife to the rib cage you’re gonna die.

[@JasonWilliams-py7ok]

I saw a knife brawl, neither one tried to take any kind of angle. Neither one took the marker as a threat, neither reacted to the marker hits.

[@mikelazure7462]

Scholagladiatoria makes the point that in blade weapon combat very few fatal blows are INSTANTLY fatal AND the effect of adrenaline - masking pain and driving 'forward forward' action - means you can kill your opponent with a strike and they have time to kill you right back before the blood loss takes effect on them. I was a nurse a long time ago. Seen some knife wounds - scares the crap outa ME.

[@kevionrogers2605]

I sort of agree with you because each time I had to ever disarm a homeless person or patient while working hospital security I pretty much just use my forearms to protect my head and neck while relying on my vest and clothing to protect my torso and just shoulder check them (tackle) them into a two on one until we get them into restraints. Only had one co-worker stabbed up and that's because he wrapped up (bear hugg, bodylock around the torso without controlling the arms) around the guy and took him down who then took a knife out and stabbed him in the back, shoulders, and head with a pocket knife, but didn't puncture anything vital until I was able to secure his arm and disarm him. Most times in settings when knives or syringes are involved it's because someone doesn't want to comply, so they aren't really trying to stab and run its more like clinch and stab, so basically you have to treat it like a combination of American Football and Greco-Roman and Aikido. Basically because if they have a weapon already produced then they are about to get hit with something "less than leathal" like a chair, spray, or tazer unless they already harmed someone then they are just going to be shot, but luckily we never had to shoot a patient or homeless person with a blade or syringe, the only people we had to shoot had guns themselves or were in vehicles and were ramming people and things intentionally. Most blades are going to be in the back pocket or hided behind the butt with hand behind them. Next time you try this experiment have the person have a hand behind them or weapon in pocket. When they do anything to be threatening just shoulder check them like you are playing hockey or football while protecting your neck then while they are either stumbling or on the ground then you control them if necessary do atemi waza with hammerfist or backfist. Basically if they already have a weapon produced get something to hit them with even if it's a pillow or blanket then once their weapon is out of line hit them hard and take them down.

[@ChuShinTani]

Hit them with something, my findings as well! Thanks for sharing!

[@billybadtoes]

Getting hit up side hus head would've slowed him down

[@prestonbrown5771]

Thank You for saying the truth about knife attacks salute sir

[@tracystoermer9638]

This is the video I've wanted to see made for years! Thank you for satisfying my curiosity!

[@ChuShinTani]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@imbradtaylor]

My only issue with this demo is that there is no natural reaction to the wounds. Some of the wounds from the weapons could have ended the interaction before the defender received any life threatening injuries.

[@ChuShinTani]

That is true- but my point in this video was that that would simply be luck.

[@BodyByBenSLC]

I watched one video about knife defense, young kid had they worst advice except 1 tiny idea. Ball cap he cupped brim in his off hand used it as a shield when grabbing at opponents hand.

[@randomescu]

if id work in security field i would buy protective equipment against knives. or id train to run.

[@ChuShinTani]

You should do both.

[@MovieGuy666]

running away is the best option always.

[@alphawolf2993]

100% and this is super important. NOBODY WINS A KNIFE FIGHT.

[@tavtav3526]

From this video it seems even more impossible defending against sword or gun unarmed. The only superior weapon to that two is tank.

[@ChuShinTani]

Weapons are scary, the farther reaching they are the more so.

[@tavtav3526]

@@ChuShinTani I somehow understand why majority of martial arts won't talking about this topic. This conclude that armed martial arts is the only realistic and working martial art, but not so many ppl have the skill needed to master it and the brave to do it. It's only my opinion.

[@redclayscholar620]

Panzerfaust: "Did I hear sombody say tank?"

[@PMarioC3]

Thanks for sharing this information it's made me think a lot more logically about engaging an opponent with a short-sword/knife. However, there are many instances when a knife fight can occur. There are also many other factors when considering the probability of a victory over your opponent beside just ability. A few of those would be readiness (e.g. tougher clothing or armor), reach and environment. Remember you can throw a knife to turn it into a projectile weapon as well. Cheers!

[@fridge9308]

'ok today we're gonna talk about knife fights, should be a really fun video'

[@Mr.Ut21]

Knives are ambush weapons. Not intended for a fair fight.

[@TheBudoAcademy]

Love the Jazz music, great channel! Great lesson, lots of folks don't understand that Aikido is a great escaping art.

[@ChuShinTani]

Much appreciated!

[@one-of-us9939]

Excellent. Thanks.

[@stephen8433]

You remind me of ''Icy Mike'' Hard to hurt,'' except you don't use filthy language. He is getting better, however. Can she out run him?

[@ChuShinTani]

She shot him and beat him with a stick.

[@12lionwhelps71]

Interesting topic. Enjoyed the video..but if I may add Markers are good to use, but the factor of fear is missing. In a real world scenario, the opponent will not be so eager to rush in. Neither should you. But since it is training, there should be hard consequence per each mark taken. To really grasp the severity of the matter,..in my opinion. Thanks for listening.

[@ChuShinTani]

Glad you enjoyed the video. I would like to point out that if people were very careful - they wouldn't get into physical conflict with a knife at all. The point I'm making here is that small weapon conflict is seldom the realm of the cautious and sane. That said, I do not believe that a skilled and sane knife duelist would do well if their assailant wildly attacked them- it is likely that both parties would be severely injured - regardless of skill. Thanks for the comment.

[@12lionwhelps71]

@@ChuShinTani Most people don't realize that knife attacks happen 20x more than gun attacks in the U.S. It's not far fetched in the inner cities, and the hood subs. Knife fights do happen, but rarely televised or talked about. A close friend of mine lost the feeling and ability on one side of his face, and almost lost his life, in a knife fight about two years ago. They both had knives, they both pulled them out and dueled...it was over in less than 2 min. Very real, very traumatic..very messy

[@txroguenews]

methheads don't have fear factor, add that in there. assuming a "fight" will go any way you think it will is the problem. most of the people i deal with daily do not have fear of consequence. they're not exactly sociopaths, but they have learned that social rules and consequences are not part of their world.

[@ChuShinTani]

Solid point.

[@Skateboard_]

If more Aikido-ka’s taught these realities, the legitimate parts of Aikido would surface more and I think more people would be interested. Unfortunately too many McDojo’s want to “empower” their students and make them feel like the star in an action movie when it hits the fan. Thanks for making these videos. These practical explanations really put things into perspective. I think more people would be interesting in doing Aikido if there weren’t so many other dojo’s lying to their students.

[@ChuShinTani]

Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@rashidmartialarts9513]

Great video. Have you considered using shock knifes ?

[@ChuShinTani]

When I can get one at a reasonable price.

[@sherlanmamaril7368]

Even me I can compete in knife fighting just slash, it's just being lucky , I agree with u Even for an untrained man knife is lethal and deadly

[@franciscordon9230]

Brilliant! Thanks for this!

[@ChuShinTani]

You're very welcome!

[@robertbeckler5058]

My buddy got into a knife fight outside the bar got stabbed 6 times. He did not have a knife the other guy did. He put the guy in the hospital he ran off and got patched up by his friend. Good thing he did not have a knife. He would have lost.

[@ChuShinTani]

Sounds like he got very lucky.

[@robertbeckler5058]

@@ChuShinTani he was quick and big. The guy with the knife never knew what he started.

[@wakeuptotheuniverse]

Go Maya!

[@ChuShinTani]

There is no stopping her!

[@dickyprastiantopramudya4191]

Is that mean runner is better than Martial artist in this scenario? I should quit training any Martial arts

[@ChuShinTani]

Aikido is the middle ground between running and physical struggle.

[@InstinctDefenseAcademy]

Great video. Thanks for making this!

[@milliashford8148]

some our native american tribes train green baret and navy ppl, the american military path finders and scouts in knife combat techniques and have done since the end of the american indian wars

[@ChuShinTani]

And I'm sure they share much of the information found in this video- and probably a lot of other really good stuff!

[@TheRadivoje]

About 500 years worth of knife fighting in Italia , Spain and via Spain Argentina and Filipines.Italian and Spanish point fencing with long and light daggers and Navajas is art and efektiv

[@ChuShinTani]

I understand your argument. But I think I addressed it in the beginning of this video. Yes people kill each other with knives. But because of the limitations of the knife as a dueling weapon, you can't gain enough skill to overcome a wild aggressive novice. It's not like first fighting, where enough skill can be developed that the expert will always win.

[@samhinnant4416]

The person who doesn't bleed out first wins lol. After that apply Tourniquets.

[@Mambo.Canibal]

I’m getting a slight Mc dojo scent Edit: Cracked myself up 5 min into the video, after leaving this comment, when the massive Mc Coffee cup appeared

[@JohnReimann1]

The unreal aspect of this is when Maya is hitting Josh with a club and the "fight" continues on. Many of those hits would have laid him out or at least staggered him to the extent that she could have finished him off without danger if it were a real club. So we don't really know how much she would have been cut if it were for real.

[@ChuShinTani]

Yes, this is done by design. The idea is that if it works with foam- it's much more likely to work with a serious weapon.

[@JohnReimann1]

@@ChuShinTani But the "fight" is deceptive. The minute Maya gets in one good whack with the foam "club" the entire "fight" should be stopped. Same with the moment Josh gets in one good slash. Then one would see who is really more vulnerable. The way it's done is good theater, but not much more. I'm not writing this to put down aikido (which I've been practicing for many years) not your many extremely interesting videos. But the ones with a "knife" or other "weapon" often are unreal because they are allowed to continue long after they would have in reality stopped.

[@ChuShinTani]

One of the major problems faced by people who are new to weapon training is that they believe a serious strike will stop the attacker- that is often not the case. Very often people will receive life ending injuries- yet have enough energy to continue attacking. Stopping the exchange after every blow that we believe would stop a fight- is simply us guessing at what may of may not end a fight. There is no perfect answer for this problem- but I always favor the idea that it is unlikely that any blows I make will actually stop an attack- this way I am training for exactly that situation. In a real exchange if I'm surprised by at attacker being stopped sooner that I expected- thats GREAT- however being surprised by an attacker not stopping when they always do in training- is very bad.

[@naphackDT]

@@JohnReimann1 There are only four kinds of hits that are guaranteed to instantly end a fight: -Anything that completely destroys the spine -Anything that completely chops off an entire limb, especially if it's a leg -Anything that punctures the heart or a major artery in that area (Arteries that are further away from the heart do not have the same effect) -Anything that totally crushes the skull (No guarantee if it's just a penetration by a bladed weapon like a spear) For anything else there is always a chance, the other guy might just fight on regardless.

[@prophaniti1]

Thing is when two face each other with knives it doesn't turn into a stab fest like that, as both combatants are well aware of the power of the knife.

[@ChuShinTani]

You're right, it becomes a "luck-fest". Whoever manages to get a cut/stab that stops or discourages the other guy first wins... The line of skill is so thin that it comes down to luck when more time is taken.

[@mjt106]

Excellent 👌 très pertinent

[@edi9892]

So, a sword rules? Nice experiment! To be serious, there's a good reason sabers were carried well into the age of firearms. They are superior in CQC and parrying melee attacks. Just to add to your observations, I did grow up in a place where knife crimes were rampant. The reason being that guns had been illegal for a long time, but the times were getting from bad to worse while the police got defunded... In my neighbourhood, a lot of people carried knives and that includes seeing a pret33n with a 6-inch fixed blade on his belt! I've seen allot of bad things, but I haven't seen a single knife duel! Usually, someone attacks another person with a knife who is unarmed, or didn't expect it. In the latter case, it's likely that they seek to stun, throw or otherwise establish dominant position before using the knife! When the latter fails and the opponent deploys his own knife, chances are that both jump back, stare at each other, maybe trade a few insults, but then carefully retreat! I've only seen from videos how it looks like when that mutually assured destruction fails. In that case, the most likely scenario is that both are out of range and start cutting air like mad. This reminds me of how girls cat fight. Chances are that one of them looses his nerves and turns around and runs off. If not, they will seek an opportunity to close in and slash and then move out again. This usually ends in the other retreating and most of the time, the only injuries are on the weapon arm. In rare cases however, someone has no fear and does committed attacks and quite often either gets a hold of the other persons weapon arm, or uses overwhelming force and murders the guy.

[@davidwinters1394]

just 2 people trying to murder each other with knives. thank you master

[@scottbauer71]

Like the pistol vs marker, 11 rounds vs 1 instant another fatal and a probable disarm hit

[@CJCon885]

In Kali we train to strike hands, eyes, and elbows with a knife, or bolo’s. And it is controlled not running wild like non trained people fighting.

[@ChuShinTani]

And with that technique, do you believe it would stop an uncontrolled wild person, who was untrained an didn't care about their own safety, from getting to you and delivering a potentially life altering blow... Or is it a coin flip?

[@marafade13]

So... We are assuming they are naked or in a t-shirt? Most jackets, hoodies, etc will greatly reduce the effects of the knife or enough to attempt to grab the knife arm and have a different fight

[@ChuShinTani]

I live in California, I wear a Tshirt and shorts 8-9 months of the year. But you're correct you could leave your house everyday in some form of heavy clothing and you'd do better in a knife fight. It would be even easier and likely safer to run, throw chairs, have a pistol, etc etc etc.

[@maransadventures3269]

I am so afraid of knife fights that's why I plan when I reach 18 to get a pistol btw I am Romanian and u can at this age but is "hard" because u have to do a lot get a mental test and more but I will

[@sryth1]

The real takeaway is that McDonalds has really upped their coffee game in recent years

[@ChuShinTani]

Real talk.

[@SenseiEmmett]

Hey Christopher, awesome channel. Love this experiment, it's very creative with the markers. Would you be open to an interview?

[@ChuShinTani]

Sure, you can contact me on Facebook or through the website.

[@springbloom5940]

In shooting, this is what we call a 'suicide drill'; where you expertly kill each other. A 'fight' is an exchange, where you both get a turn. You *do not* want to be in a gunfight. You want to be on the prevailing side of a shooting.

[@neilmoomey]

What? Are you saying the 70s Kung Fu TV show was fake? My life has been shattered!

[@ChuShinTani]

We have a recovery group- we meet Tuesday nights at the YMCA, free coffee.

[@ya.thegoat8795]

Why don't people just grab the wrist that's holding the knife?

[@ChuShinTani]

They do.

[@TexasHoosier3118]

In a fistfight just grab your opponent's arm as he punches.

[@xeroofnine6234]

not really compensating for the fact that some of tose strikes would have ended it, so there wouldnt be so many marks lol but point is made though

[@allengordon6929]

If it stops you from being stabbed or forces them to try to do anything other than stab you, it's valid.

[@holdenmuganda97]

I’ve only watching up to the sparring but. I just wanted to say that the two students aren’t sparring like they have knives in their hands. I’d imagine that that if two people went up against each other both with weapons, there would be a good chance that even if they were both willing to fight they both would attempt to not get cut or stabbed at the same time. Most people wouldn’t just do Kamikaze attacks neglecting their own safety. Not saying what you say isn’t true but the marker sparring seemed to neglect how people would react in real life to a live blade.

[@ChuShinTani]

I understand where you are coming from- let me see if I can clarify what is happening. In the beginning, I preface what I mean by "knife fighting doesn't exist". That basically comes down to an issue of power vs. attrition. The knife, as a weapon does a lot of damage, but mostly not decisive damage (damage the would immediately end the situation) as a sword or more powerful weapon would. So as a weapon, knife on knife situations can easily be protracted- causing the accumulation of many life altering injuries for both parties at the same time- leading to mutual destruction. Now in the video- they are going at it like wild people, and we could argue that this is not sensible (we could also argue that fighting with deadly weapons is not sensible, so no one doing this is sensible- but that is another argument). However, I believe all that you are seeing is a sped up time line. If both people mean to do serious damage to the other person, the other knife welder, if they have only their knife, body and skill- do not have the attrition ability to safely navigate the situation. In other words, if you have all the skill in the world with a knife, but only the knife, and I have little skill, but I also have a knife, and want to kill you with no regard for my own life- baring luck, I will get my wish.

[@MsOdingod]

In a real knife fight you don't charge like that, even if you have a knife, unless you're crazy, stupid or suicidal.

[@ChuShinTani]

Yeah, why would a crazy, stupid or suicidal person ever attack with a knife. Usually only calm, intelligent, people with a high regard for their own safety, will attack with a knife. Good point.

[@marianogonzalez8650]

Really interesting video one the first i see that take this serious

[@salec7592]

In venue with "longer weapon keeping distance" it would be interesting to see how would some predominantly high-kick technique (Tae Kwon do?) fare. Another idea that might be interesting is high luminosity defensive torchlight. It should be disorienting to attacker, helping the defender to keep her body location uncertain for him.

[@eliking3333]

You would have to be on point with your kicking, you would have to have speed and power. Taekwondo the older systems teach to kick low for defense. Kicking high is risky because if you can't retract your leg back fast enough they have your femoral artery to play with, and that is a done deal.

[@urosmarjanovic663]

@@eliking3333 There are no low kicks allowed in a TKD fight. Quick front kick to plexus or balls is the only one I'd use against knife attack before running away. However running away is probably the best technique against knife. Unfortunately you won't even see knife in 95% of cases.

[@SoniaGail]

Very true & honest

[@transatlanticsilkcottonfabrics]

That was interesting... didn’t really seem like anyone cut anyone’s tendons or muscles in order for the to drop their knife. Just kinda grappling and colouring in each other. Admittedly no one wins but like. There are some techniques that you can you employ once you get over the fact that are going to get cut. It is about minimising that. They lunge, try and get them on the inside of their forearm/wrist, move ... no one seems to be grabbing that arm and then making sure they can’t use it

[@ChuShinTani]

Its a lot harder to grab that arm than you might think. And while agree that theoretically cutting the incoming hand to incapacitate it is a sound idea... There is very little evidence to prove that it's a viable option. What is pretty apparent in E.Rs around the world, is that when people get insanely angry and use a knife, they tend to attack pretty erratically - much like you might see here.

[@transatlanticsilkcottonfabrics]

@@ChuShinTani I hear you Shifu. Words will do, one would hope. I guess it be a bad day for everyone involved. Should your words fall short. Then it escalate to the need to the dance involved in bleeding each other out and seeing who goes down first. Savage. Brutal and senseless, more lost than learnt?

[@Overunity357]

I really really like this experiment and would like to see more strategies applied. Although this is technically "unscientific" It is way more objective than just talking about it. I'd love to see side by side shirt comparisons with other medium/low level martial arts practitioners. that would be awesome. great video!

[@ChuShinTani]

Thanks.

[@ArielGarcia7]

Lol I see you point of view, but you're wrong. Knife fighting is a thing. With respect, I love your take on Akido and content. Contact me to discuss. Cheers!

[@bernardbarr2354]

So.... what do we now call a gun fight?

[@ChuShinTani]

If two people are standing out in the open, we call it a shooting. If they are running around hiding behind things we call it a gunfight. The ability to resist the attacks makes it a fight.

[@MIKEx2112]

I think the guys who fought in the trenches of ww1 would say otherwise

[@ChuShinTani]

I'll chalk this on up to, didn't watch the video.

[@billybadtoes]

Lol right after i posted it she gets to do it

[@johnmorgansen1772]

Your videos are the best on youtube- well for realistic weapons use

[@callmecaution1]

So are we not going to acknowledge how nice those T shirts are? 🤔

[@ChuShinTani]

Top Shelf.

[@joaquinalonso6525]

A baton could have potentially knocked out the attacker that had the bladed weapon. A heavy baton could probably stop the attacker with one swift blow.

[@ChuShinTani]

Well, that would be the hope- but if it didn't, it would play out like this.

[@MP-oj6zo]

just buy cold steel xl espada and you have pocket sword + jet kune do with leg kicks meanwhile