ID Strength Tier List [Limbus Company]

The final nail in my coffin for my KZbin career, it was fun to not have constant death threats, but it is so over for me now.

[@AnonymousInternetUserLaine]

Waiting for John Project Moon to rework half of the IDs in 3 weeks making the list invalid. The ESGOO curse must continue

[@celtickawaii57]

All the Shi IDs get a rework to make them cracked as hell.

[@tropicturtle9021]

The fact Sinclair has some of the most dog shit IDs in the game then turns around and has 3 S tiers will always be so funny to me. Dudes range of effectiveness is so steep.

[@rktnate14]

Literally also plays into his duality motif, i think PM is absolutely doing it on purpose.

[@no_1dea]

between 3 sinclairs

[@m.g6130]

@@no_1deaIt would be very easy for somebody to take this out of context.

[@mrrp405]

@@rktnate14That aspect’s in almost every one of his IDs too, at the very least story-wise if not in gameplay with nclair and philip

[@Welvader]

0/10, G Corp Outis is not in S Tier. You will be blasted by a 200 decibels skill 3

[@user-zl9fo5em1j]

Cry about it

[@SoThatNoOneWillCry]

@@user-zl9fo5em1jWho’s going to cry?

[@neferkar289]

So that no one will cry

[@m.g6130]

Cope.

[@SaintofQuartz]

Can someone elaborate in G Outis? I have her and am probably going to find a mirror team for her (I like the idea of a buffer) but am uncertain what to do

[@charls.87]

Pause at 4:22:38 for the correct tier list, everywhere else is not final and cannot be trusted

[@chalcedony7139]

in the wcorps clubbed. straight up "charging it". and by "it". haha, well. let's just say. my W Corp Meursault.

[@zhanglaoshi5529]

wym bro W corp meursault top 1 S tier

[@charls.87]

@@zhanglaoshi5529 he’s the best to ever do it

[@phazonmarth6374]

Ye sang 12:05 7 ye sang 13:53 Molar ye sang 14:27 Pequod ye sang 17:05 Deci ye sang 20:59 BL ye sang 22:25 Spice bush 24:57 W ye sang Faust 27:10 L corp branch Faust 29:37 Zwie Faust 32:02 W Faust 35:06 Butler Faust 36:33 N Faust 39:40 7 Faust 43:15 regret Faust 50:20 BL Faust Don 54:43 shi don 58:30 N don 1:00:41 meat lantern don 1:03:47 BL don 1:05:04 W don 1:07:23 cinq don 1:10:42 middle don Reyoshu Feel free to add the rest

[@zavos5659]

2:04:25 - the great "Insight Trick" timestamp

[@tapseymoth803]

Just one thing about spice brush. Remember that his dodge not only applies sinking but unlike dieci or butler outis who have a cap on the maximum they can apply without making contact spice brush can apply sinking on each and every evade. Its primarily what I do when I need him to apply potency this turn and don’t want to use bygone days

[@burzslaw]

He lacks agro, and this is a big problem

[@SolarBlademaster]

Man the rant about Red Plum Blossom with BL Faust really matched with how I feel about it. It had the potential to be something so cool, like a poise equivalent for what Echoes of the Manor does for sinking, maybe they could have had units that gain poise gain extra poise or count when they crit that target (a scuffed version of Endorphin Kit basically). But right now it feels like a "we made this debuff for the future when there will be like 3 other BL IDs that eventually also have this debuff and then it will be kinda useful" kind of thing.

[@ihave2cows]

have KK rodion on the team and have her use red shoes on the same turn that faust activates her S3, and have pequod heathcliff use his S2. You're welcome for the mirror dungeon tier full bleed count build in story mode content.

[@lighto5083]

Except there will never be 3 other BL IDs, BL and Kurokumo share the Mirror World, so there will never be more BL IDs unless they specifically introduce a new Mirror World for that, which isn't too likely

[@crownedxyrus1598]

​@@lighto5083 this Right now, the only Sinners missing from the BL and KK world is Heathcliff and Ishmael which would possibly be Kurokumo if it wasn't obvious enough. But yeah, It was frustratingly disappointing for BL Faust. Her Red Plum Blossom sounded good on paper but in reality didn't make the cut in what it was hoping for. Add insult to my injury, couldn't get BL Meursault during that banner after a 100 pulls that it made me burnout from the game.

[@lighto5083]

@@crownedxyrus1598 Why didn't you just shard him? Or did you not have the BP?

[@mrtn7901]

I think it's not that bad honestly. The slash fragility you sometimes get is kinda nice and the bonus crit damage and chance to all other units is pretty good as well. It's a kinda boring debuff, yes, but in terms of usefulness I think it's pretty hugh up there honestly.

[@maxboop]

sinclair being on both the very top and very bottom of the list is really funny to me. i love him

[@ariri1880]

Not just top and bottom, there is at least 1 identity per tier. (Zwei F, Base D, Molar C, BL B, Talisman A, N-Corp/Cinq/Philip S) which is funnier to me

[@vocal1353]

thank you W Meursault for being the best ID

[@charls.87]

AMEN

[@thewintersaint]

The sinking deluge thing is so wrong tho. So many of my chapter 6 fight ended up as get some sinking turn 1 -> turn 2 use deluge on like 10 sinking or something and bum the boss now has was -45 sanity and they couldn't win any other clash. Like so many of the fights in that chapter are dangerous because of how much they can snowball from a few failed clashes and deluge can completly negate that.

[@Arthur-jq4cy]

eternal plague to your crops for that maid ryoshu placement

[@charls.87]

W Corp Meursault Mentions: 26:46 34:07 1:05:30 1:28:00 (superchat, not commented on) 1:41:56 Heaven 1:58:30 POTENTIAL WSAULT VIDEO???? 2:13:40 4:17:57 The Polling. 4:25:40

[@SaintofQuartz]

Why the fixation on this ID in particular? I know he probably benefits most from uptie 4 but my knowledge ends there.

[@charls.87]

@@SaintofQuartzBecause he’s awesome and I love him. Do I need more of a reason?

[@Hebleh]

Genuinely hoping we get a Wsault video I love that ID

[@meowspark9]

Amen

[@sinitheexcellent3654]

couldn't react to it during the stream because I stepped out to eat dinner beforehand, but I don't super agree with DerOutis's placement. I understand your reasoning of her averaging out her amazing performance in burn teams with her lackluster performance outside of them. However, I think her astronomical power inside of burn teams compensates more for her performance outside of them than you considered. I don't know if she's truly S-tier or not, but I think placing her under both Lius and 7Faust isn't proper. Overall, your rankings seem to place more emphasis on a given unit's floor over their ceiling, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if considering the list as a tool to guide newer players, but does affects it's ability to serve as a proper power ranking in some areas. I'd recommend going over it once more without chat going crazy in your ear and reviewing all the placements relative to each other before posting the list to your community tab or editing the stream into a video. But all of that pales in comparison to the real crime of denying the people's champ W Meursault his rightful place atop the list. LONG LIVE THE GOAT, STRAIGHT UP CHARGING IT!

[@Dino-te5rt]

so far watching got to deci yi sang part. spicebush does in fact interact with echos of the manor buff.

[@scrunghole]

good watch, but dude you are SO WRONG about linton gregor. he’s insane, by far the best gregor id, objectively better than butler outis, genuine S tier material. he’s fucking cracked. you have to use him more, just looking at the numbers isn’t gonna do it

[@puenboy1]

He’s the only member on the sinking team that just clashes really high all the time even without conditionals, and if you happen to get the conditionals you are getting dominating all day. And i dunno why esgoo complain about his low s1-2 coins when it makes your count maintenance better and S2 is like +5 count which is like molar ish S3 level of sinking.

[@DemPop]

Hoo boy I expected the comment section to get rowdy, but man lmao. I think these are generally pretty good placements, and with a few asterisks can be a solid guideline to new players, too. As a Rosegreg truther, I do feel the need to add my peeve. I don't think Rosespanner Gregor deserves to be this shafted, just forgotten like this, especially not considering how much lower he is than 7 Heath. They're pretty similar units, without AEDD Heathcliff wins overall, but AEDD's utility is real - just like W Sang without Dimshredder isn't that incredible either. When I ended up nuking Spiral of Contempt in my fastest RR3 run, I kicked out 7 Heath in favor of Gregor, cause AEDD is imho really underrated, and Greg himself is really solid even when you ignore the tremor conditionals. Anyway, as someone who loves Outis and especially der Shootis, the people in the comments are mad huffing cope, she really ain't all that brothers. If anything, I'd just bump the Liu sisters a bit lower to be right next to her.

[@yehuda8589]

I mean Der Shoutis is very good, yeah, definitely not S tier, but just because she's not the best of the best doesn't mean she's not good

[@DemPop]

@@yehuda8589 Oh yeah, she's great. If anything, I'd bump Liu Ish and Rodya a bit lower on this tierlist, to get them closer to her. Shootis probably has more value than Ishmael - and I don't see in what way Liu Ish or Rodya are better than Butler Outis.

[@yehuda8589]

@@DemPop yeah, especially because imo, thanks to assist attack and ardor blossom star, Ahabmael is better for burn teams, since its not like liu ish really does much outside of rolling high (her burn application isn't even that good,) i think ESGOO overrated her quite a bit since iirc she's one of his favorite IDs

[@tropicturtle9021]

Why is being, by Esgoos own admission, the most important burn unit in the entire game who single handily brings burn up an entire tier of viability, not pretty much an immediate low S position if only on principle of “this unit is really important”?

[@DemPop]

@@tropicturtle9021 From running burn a ton in and outside of Mirror Dungeons, I actually quite agree with his placement of her *outside* of Mirror Dungeons. It's just that it makes no sense for any other Burn unit to be above her. If Rodya is low S, so is Shootis, so I agree with you there. We could argue about Philipclair being a decent generalist who's got a nasty AoE skill, but, as someone who also considers Liu Ishmael in his top 5 favorite units (just for vibes), and someone whose favorite archetype is burn... Burn doesn't cut it into S tier at all imho. It's just not there yet. It's got some solid units, but even with Shootis it's still fucking slow.

[@not0292]

Esgoose, why... why esgoose... you brought hell to us all

[@soraxusdragvoir5256]

Butler Ryo being below Chef Ryo is craaaazy

[@thomasluffman8605]

Unconditional 18 rolling 3 coin s2 + a boss nuking s3 really does something

[@Hein.-]

​@thomasluffman8605 yeah but s3 clashes for 15 man, only good versus weak skills or one sided. Chef is still fine but the only thing Chef outclass Butler on is maybe the boss stages but in a generalist criteria (no MD, general good stuff team, story mode and other content) Butler has easy conditional waveclear aoe on s2 with potentially higher clash, and a resetting s3 that clashes for 18-20 that raise enemy stagger bar and does 40% more when staggered so it still good damage against bosses. Not to mention BL Poise synergy, Chef offers... 3 bleed? Healing down?

[@richardomilos8686]

​@@Hein.- she has a 18 rolling skill 2, heals, paralyze and easy red eyes access.

[@logan-ft5je]

​@richardomilos8686 maidshu also rolls between 18 and 22 on s2 of she's faster than the enemy, which is a very easy condition

[@richardomilos8686]

@@logan-ft5je yeah but that has 2 coins and chef has 3. And besides chef provides way more for the team aside from just damage which she still can do a lot of while being more reliable because her skills have 0 strings attached.

[@EnzoPietro10]

Sad fact: gregor is indeed fated to die alone in the A tier

[@thomasluffman8605]

52:00 BL faust is the real potential man. When fully utilized, her S3 applies 27 bleed pot. This is the single highest bleed pot app in the game, not even KK rodion + sanguine desire comes close. The main issue is that teams that can crit that much have basically 0 count app

[@ihave2cows]

you got so close. Put KK+rodion and sanguine desire on the same team as BL faust. If faust goes first, you can have that 27 potency plus the equivalent of like 15 count at the same time. And if you have pequod heathcliff on the team, you can *actually* raise that count to 15.

[@Charlie99993]

If I'm fighting a boss with SP what in the world am i supposed to do to inflict damage with sinking without spicebush

[@teecee1827]

If you do that, you are either winning all your clashes against positive skills and doing acceptable damage or doing badly against negative skills and in that case time to switch out the sinking anyways

[@RenoKyrie]

I would put Kuro Hong Lu in B if you use him in General Team, and use unopposed Attacks, Skill 2 is strong there But hes deffinitly low D since dear god why does he not work in Bleed Team and clash so low

[@faber3813]

Imo SB yi sang should be in S. His S3 is still very good, and his S2 do so much damage so easily, and potency next turn is very good early set up. Also his animation are next level maaan

[@KimMui_]

her s3 and his s2

[@faber3813]

@@KimMui_ thank youu, now its correct

[@SaintofQuartz]

I have been using spicebush since a littl bit after drop (canto 4, railway, occasional mirror dungeon, sibking team for canto 5) and did not know sinking deluge was a thing until this video.

[@geese3000]

Somewhat same, got him during the anniversary and only knew of deluge two weeks after that

[@Loufmier]

spicebush does trigger echoes. and in that regard he outclasses dieci withe more sinking/count instances on his coins. and while mem deluge is overrated for abno fights, it's still the only thing that makes sinking do damage to enemies with sp

[@Garsemor]

So I agree for the vast majority of your picks and entierly respect your oppinion. That said, I have a few very small disagreements and thought to post my reasonings for the sake of argument: -Dead Rabbit Meursault: He's too high because not only is his entire kit largely forgetably mediocre, but to even be that, he is reliant on rupture to have it work. This is a problem, not only because rupture is already the most tricky status to build and sustain, but also Rupture team just strait up does not want him because he doesn't contribute at all. He is an ID that is reliant on a status team to work, but he makes the team WORSE. Rupture teams would probably run with fewer people then to run him, meaning that he may as well not have his conditionals, or if he does, it means that you are running a rupture team to support HIM rather then the other way around. He would effectively be a ball and chain on rupture's leg if he's on the team. Everyone bellow him in B tier still at least contributes to their team synergi in some way which is why, he doesn't, which is why I believe that he just can't be anything better then C. LCCB Ish: I don't think you missclassed her a lot, however I think you overfocused on her rupture aspect rather then her tremmor aspect. She's the single highest tremmor applier in the game with her S2 and her S3 doesn't degrade tremmor on burst. She single-handedly jumpstarts tremmor in any fight with her S2 and can accelerate how quickly it stacks up faster then any other tremmor ID. Now she is slow and her clashing isn't amazing, so I don't think she can be higher then B, but I think she'd probably be better placed somewhere between bellow Shi Ish and above Cinq Don, purely for her ability to make every tremmor synergy ID significantly better and in-effect from turn 1 with just a single S2. I'd go as far as to say that if her clashing and speed wasn't so bad, her utility would make her arguable for A or even S tier, because that's how absurd her tremmor utility is, but without it, I'd just put very high in B.

[@Lh0000]

Not much to comment on, but uh the problem with tremor is it’s inherently worse then most other statuses by virtue of the fact that: if you have time to apply and burst trenor in any significant numbers 99% of the time you would have won the fight with most other teams.

[@SarcasticTentacle]

Finally the multi hour second monitor ramblings that I barely comprehend.

[@suspecm6316]

The amount of people who did not know that Regret Faust does 200+ damage for almost every single skill 3 she does insane.

[@heroes0844]

Oh shit, Ring Yi Sang and Outis are going to be the strongest IDs now

[@Agno97xD]

I am so fucking enraged at some of the placements ahahah I'd love to make a video avout it sometime. I really regret missing the live

[@egg5377]

While the Black bands sweating And the rhythm rhymes rolling Got to give us what we want Gotta give us what we need Our freedom of speech is freedom or death We got to fight the powers that be Lemme hear you say Fight the power

[@scottbrayton9484]

comprehensive overview of sinking please 🙏

[@Roguerobin4]

The irrational hatred of Bulter Ryoshu and insane gassing of Whistles aside, pretty agreeable list

[@Lh0000]

What? Whistles is a fantastic passive it’s free SP, on a relatively common sin affinity and honestly maid Ryoshu isn’t that good outside mirror dungeons where you can just nebulizer your way around S2’s poise cost. She’s not bad by any means but she’s only particularly useful for damage and that’s not exactly something poise teams are struggling with

[@user-zk6vw3xp5x]

Teams tier list next ?

[@crewcrew4137]

Maid Ryoshu not being S is actually crazy.

[@motymurm]

Being under Chef is what's actually mind boggling

[@ryoshuirl]

It makes complete sense. Her damage is mediocre, far below W Ryōshū's, and also weaker than Chef (specially if Chef fights a very tanky enemy HP-wise)

[@rustykatzs7834]

Because I had nothing better to do I assigned a number for 0 to 100 to each ID ranked with bottom of F being 0 and top of S being 100. Below is the rankings of each sinner based on total points and points per ID. (note that the placements were taken before the pole to switch W-Meursault and W-Ryoshu) Total Points: 12. Rodion 11. Gregor 10. Don 9. Meursault 8. Yi Sang 7. Sinclair 6. Outis 5. Hong Lu 4. Heathcliff 3. Ryoshu 2. Faust 1. Ishmael Most Points per ID (average points) 12. Gregor 11. Rodion 10. Meursault 9. Sinclair 8. Don 7. Yi Sang 6. Faust 5. Outis 4. Hong Lu 3. Heathcliff 2. Ishmael 1. Ryoshu

[@Spoizae]

Bro made a livestream that immediately went out of date (ring sang is toppest of top tier)

[@Xanthopathy]

Absolutely SEETHING about maidshu not being S

[@therobustllama]

Only reason I would ever argue for Suncliff being an A-tier or above is when he his potential is realized, he is an absolute monster. I got the 6-48 Solo with Mr.Suncliff and cannot *not* put respect on his name in some regard. He’s atleast top B (where he was put) or lowest A at the most. Emphasis on “only reason I ever WOULD” is based on personal bias and experience with said unit. He was the reason I was able to clear most of Canto 6, since he was basically always low sanity and/or getting Sinking. I know very well he is AT BEST B tier on a team, especially if he corrodes and decides he wants to nuke your whole team with a -52 Coin Power Binds.

[@tapseymoth803]

There is one reason why I do think Ninclair should be ranked slightly higher and that is because of the fact for the purposes of winning clashes the lowest he can possible roll on his skill 2 is a 12 and a 18 for skill 3. Just the fact that even when he’s at his weakest he can still win is what makes him at least in the top 3 ids for me.

[@TelepoleDonQuixote]

55:14 I’m steaming mad buddy, call me the Porccubus Entry because my head’s about to burst. Bad day.

[@MattokBackup5]

If I may throw my hat in the Maid Ryoshu vs Regret Faust bin... The main thing that makes me prefer Maid Ryoshu is two fold. Both she is much easier to support (put her in a BL or other Poise team and she is golden, along with her numbers) AND the fact that you arent able to get Regret Faust all the time yet you can get Maid Ryoshu all the time. If Regret Faust wasnt Walpurgisnacht locked, I would put her in around where she is in the vid, but because of her being Walpurgisnacht locked, she is just High A to me.

[@zeca8191]

he states that he isnt judging by unlocking methods, just how good they are in normal encounters

[@kazukinowa]

Why would unlocking option ever be a factor on how strong an ID is. HUH?

[@MattokBackup5]

@@kazukinowa Eh, true I just said that because I honestly dislike an ID being very good but being locked... Hey, that's walpurgis for ya i guess

[@evilevilcritter]

Gregor the only one without an S tier ID is a travesty brah..........................

[@kakoytazabar]

In before Uptie 5 to destroy this chart.

[@darkcat013]

Can you also put the chat on screen next time? Other than that great video!

[@prettycooldude]

Ring Yi Sang on his way to the top of S tier

[@gigablast4129]

Deici rodya and lui rodya strong peak

[@vadandrumist1670]

Could be just a little be less defensive. That one commenter might deserve 2:41:25 but the whole audience sure didn't.

[@SmashedFish76]

The discussion on Spicebush really matched what I've been thinking lately and solidified my decision to cut him from my Sinking team. He absolutely murders your count in all circumstances, either by eating it with coins or destroying it with deluge. Outside of the edge case where the deluge hit is enough to nuke an abno, having a preserved flat damage buff to all coins and all your conditionals met is so good. He's still one of my absolute favorite IDs to run, I'll just keep him on the generic good stuff team.

[@MO-bx7vj]

Which units do you run in sinking team?

[@CamoTheMan]

ok teir list

[@oniono.3350]

never cook again

[@egg5377]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@eshav7438]

Amen

[@mega-supp]

Spicebush not being in S is insane considering his passive makes him the best sunshower spammer in dungeons and railways

[@jonsanta8452]

that doesn't really fix his other problems. his skill 1 rolls horribly and both 1 and 2 apply NEXT turn sinking which is worse than current turn, and he's extremely fragile compared to most other sinking ID's minus gregor (situationally if he has fragile). spicebush is still a decent sinking ID but he's nowhere near an S anymore with how powercreep has been catching up to him, even with sinking deluge.

[@mega-supp]

​@@jonsanta8452 Applying sinking next turn can actually be stronger if you aren't running him with a dedicated sinking team as it won't get eaten through by other attacks. You can just play normally and pop off a Rime Shank every now and then and get use out of that next turn application, whereas it would just fall off if it was same turn, but that's beside the point. The point is that Sunshower is a strong EGO 7 atk weight, teamwide 3 protection and boosting your sloth nukes for 2 TURNS (molar outis s3 dieci rodya s3 rose meursault s3 (to a lesser extent dieci hong lu s3 because he has to discard the first s3 to boost his skills). If you want Sunshower you have to bring a Yi Sang, and you sure aren't bringing W Yi Sang outside of Rupture for that. You can argue for molar for his consistent clashing or 7 Yi sang for his high speed ensuring allies get the buffs before they act but really Spicebush just does more damage

[@jonsanta8452]

​​@@mega-supp>And you sure aren't bringing W Yi Sang for that >Followed by talking about Molar and 7, when W has even better clashing than Molar and he's potentially faster or at the same level as 7 because of how he has innate haste with his passive up There's really no reason to run spicebush outside of sinking, sunshower spam is cool and all but in railway that ends up burning a ton of ego resources after a while, for most other content spamming sunshower isn't really possible, and this entire tier list was made under the context of mirror dungeon being ignored. I can't really agree that an ID should be S tier because they spam a specific ego really well, when thats only feasible in like one mode because of how ego resources are gained in most fights.

[@mega-supp]

​@@jonsanta8452 molar skill 2 clashes at 16 unconditionally and filters through the skill 1s while W skill 2 clashes at 15 without conditions and 17 with conditions, about the same, except he has to trudge through the skill 1s as he gets them, W has better clashing on s3 sure but half his skills clash at 11/13 while molar sang never clashes below a 13, W yi sang only outspeeds seven after several turns of ramp up, which is not the point of high speed sunshower, the point of high speed sunshower is to go against a sloth weak boss turn 1 sunshower turn 2 sunshower+your nukes and get a quick stagger, I'm bringing up 7 and molar not because I think they are super amazing and all that, but because they have a niche they are the best in, in relation to sunshower specifically, which couldn't be said about W sang. Also I never mentioned the mirror dungeons, I of course meant the story dungeons like the canto 5 dungeon which is where a significant portion of hard content is, also Spicebush is consistently good in walpurgis events. The 1st one because of sunshower spam, and the second one because dieci Rodya in first slot really gives you so much sinking count you would struggle to eat through it without sinking deluge. Edit: okay apparently molar s1 has a -2 offence level for some unknown reason? this shouldn't matter if you just discard all 3 of them which there's a 40% chance of rotation working out this way but in the cases where you have to actually use molar s1 it clashes barely higher than W sangs s1 with no conditions. I guess the silver lining here is that those rare occasions where molar sang has no s2 or s3 to use he can just use sunshower and never clash below 14.66 (adjusted for offence level). but yeah really undermines my point about him being the better clasher

[@TheBmann10]

Never understood this PhilipClair being bad argument. People say he’s “unstable” and stuff but honestly I’ve never had a problem with him, even if the team has no SP gain. I genuinely don’t get it. Hell in a burn team I tend to see him “level up” at the beginning of turn 2. And he stays like that on his own just by winning every single clash. Eventually he burns up but by then either the fight is almost over or ended already. NClair on the other hand I struggle to avoid corroding on accident without building the right team. This is coming from someone who doesn’t really care much about PhilipClair btw I’m not like “OMG he’s so good!!!” But I just generally have no clue what people are talking about when they bring this up. Also actual hot-take, always though Ting Tang hong Lu was super overrated. Can be cool but conditionals almost never happen and without them he’s kind of just a pretty good clasher without much else.

[@The_ever_preset_Bee_Eater]

2:56:20 do you know who W hong Lu is

[@LyricalChutoy33]

Undercooked, try again

[@icescarecrow]

Nsault worst 000 ID in the game. I see.

[@yehuda8589]

imo G Gregor is the worst because at least N Sault has good synergy with his archetype, meanwhile G Gregor is a mid DPS ID and a terrible rupture ID, Nsault does what he's supposed to: tanking and debuffing, pretty well

[@teecee1827]

G Gregor has a neat passive

[@jocareding533]

TTHG truthers rejoice

[@YenHoang-oj8zk]

​@@user-jt7ic1je3rjust get lucky as luck=skills

[@ryoshuirl]

Don above Sinclair... Bruh

[@ryoshuirl]

Also criminal that Z and LCR Faust are in the same tier as stuff like Rosegregor ngl

[@fateriddle14]

Thanks for doing this. The comment section is hell, but it's worth it.

[@xXTheKingEmothXx]

Bro sorely undervalues Edgar Gregor. Has clearly barely used him. He's insane, easily S tier.

[@trashmeowster]

did we really need a 4 hour stream that can be summed up with W meursault is SS tier everything else is mid

[@sebastianbrun3722]

Haven’t seen the video or even looked at the thumbnail, but I just want to tell you that you are wrong about everything Take it personally

[@Cashmaster69]

Chef you should actually use the ingredients🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🗣️💯💯🗣️🥵🗣️💯🗣️🗣️

[@uninspiredname2974]

BLClair should be D tier. Even with BLSault and another BL ID deployed, he sucks- he clashes for shit and sure in MD you can fix that with gifts but you can fix *anything* with MD ego gifts. Maybe UT4 and running the full BL squad fixes him, I don't know- but for both conditions to hold at once requires so much investment that it's going to be more or less unreachable for most of the playerbase anyway, so...

[@anadaded]

If you're using him at uptie 3 then yeah of course he would suck

[@xXTheKingEmothXx]

He doesnt have a Pride defensive and his only Pride skill is S3, so he often actively hurts your resonances

[@lucatamburello4545]

You must be out of your mind

[@mrrp405]

2:18:20 he’s just like me fr

[@zavos5659]

"The final nail in my coffin for my KZbin career" And now we all, as irony-appreciating youtube-ians, are now extra obligated to like, comment and ring the bell to ensure this comment ages as badly as possible.

[@vagrantspirit1826]

your wrong i am right the end

[@aisir3725]

Butler ryoshu is s outside of md, she consisntently outdamages regret faust in exp luxcavation, the slash ineffective blunt fatal luxcavation Just having blsabg makes her s2 go neutral on poise She also gets + 80% damage on her crits, which is ehy her ape damage is better than regret faust In fact considering her s2 gets 1 more weight than regretfaust she gets same amount of aoe as faust

[@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter]

I really don't get why everyone loves W Ryoshu. Everytime I've used her she's performed worse than the rest of the team and she pretty much always fails her clashes.

[@theburrowingheck]

17 rolling unconditional s2 (23 with conditionals) 31 rolling s3 when charged, deals 91 raw dmg (nclairs has 90 on his s3) 17 evade at 15 charge

[@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter]

@@theburrowingheck The keyword there seems to be conditionals and contingent on 15 charge which frankly takes a lot of time. Maybe I just have terrible luck but whenever I taker her out I get front loaded with two of her S1s which are poop. With raindeer Ish I can reach her nuke viability in less than half the charge.

[@Xanthopathy]

@@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter Your ability to say such inane things while being blissfully aware of telepole's existence is baffling

[@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter]

@@Xanthopathy I don't have telepole, nor do I really like IDs that need EGO to be good. Sorry if that baffles you.

[@Lh0000]

In my experience she runs fine, she generates her own charge effectively enough I’ve never NEEDED telepole Don, even excluding mirror dungeon shenanigans like employee card, she’s FINE a 17 rolling skill 2 unconditionally isn’t bad her skill 3 is frankly absurd, her skill 1 is passable her evade is pretty alright unconditionally as well and fantastic when it’s conditions are met. I genuinely don’t get how you’d think she’s bad. Unconditionally she’s pretty good, and when her conditions are met she’s amazing. Frankly this sounds like a user issue not an ID one.

[@izanagi2488]

People arguing about Spicebush not being in S do not understand why he is not S. First of, clash numbers are subpar compared to current IDs. Second, AoE takes a while to charge and is not as good as the newer IDs with AoE. The final and most glaring problem about him is that he sabotages Sinking teams. He cannot keep count with all of his Sinking applications being next turn, S2 is atrocious unless you proc Rime Shank and everyone else has less than 3 coins on their skills, and his dodge is inconsistent. I have lost count how many times Spicebush has killed my run because he rolled tails on his evade.

[@CakeW17701]

People just assume MD is included because of his stupid title lol. MD is whacky but is still staple content for most players and SpiceBush sinking deluge is just easy win even with unluckiest ego gift. Not many are sweaty enough to play RR or story mode multiple time, unless you find it fun it is literally pointless to do so unlike MD which gives you shard.

[@ihave2cows]

blud did NOT just put bl salt in top 2 because he makes other units op and then put magic bullet outis in A tier because "she's only good in burn teams" with a skill 1 that rolls 17 on the easiest to fulfill conditional in the game My brother in christ, nobody is using these IDs in teams that they don't synergize with and judging them based on those standards. Nobody whose opinion actually matters, anyways. There's nothing wrong with assuming that if you use a burn ID, you're using it in a burn team. Nobody uses liu ishmael outside of burn unless they're being silly. How good she is outside of her optimal state doesnt matter. If you want to judge the IDs based on how good they are without any support whatsoever for the sake of newcomers, that's fine, but don't do this half-measure nonsense where sometimes it matters and sometimes it doesnt. >w yi sang is better than her because rupture is better than burn HE PROVIDES AN ENTIRE NINE EXTRA DAMAGE ON HIS SKILL 2 AT 10 CHARGE COUNT. YOU KNOW WHO ELSE DOES THAT? MAGIC BULLET OUTIS WHEN SHE USES HER S1 OR S2 ON A TARGET WITH 3 DARK FLAME. ITS NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. YOU AREN'T USING HIM OUTSIDE OF RUPTURE TEAMS.

[@soraxusdragvoir5256]

You can put W sang in any random team and he'd still fullfil his conditionals (charge moment), you put Outis in the middle of a random team and she'd be struggling to be of much use, this is what I believe to the point that esgoo was trying to make. Of course she's amazing in burn teams, nobody is denying that. But in this tier list, general use is also taken into account.

[@drunpocky4267]

Yeah let’s say you don’t have enough for a full team. You got BL yi, W don, 7 heath, mariachi Sinclair and Liu ish. That players going to still use Liu Ishmael. A newer player can’t just run burn to make outis viable, can’t just use BL salt cuz you got poise. I can’t run a tremor team because I’m missing tremor characters but I still use oufi heath. People like me are still going to run characters outside of the ideal team comp. Considering everyone outside of their optimal us important because it happens

[@neferkar289]

Not reading the full tiktok spergout Burn team can function without bulletis Kimsault almost literally makes the team. Hes the foundation, floor, walls and the ceiling while other bls are the furniture

[@aisir3725]

She's amazing in burn teams... It also means you have to run 3 shitkids with her that cant clash, blsaults entire team can clash when you have 6 of em

[@Riki35924]

​@@aisir3725Hey now it's only 2 or 1 shitkid! Liu Ryoshu and Rodion help out a lot

[@LEAN_Monster]

bl outis eats all of your poise from bl meur, shes almost hinders the team even if she gets better rolls and damage she deserves a low c at best even with bl meur. she isent garbage but i think that you are giving her a little too much credit, you are better off giving another skill slot to another bl id

[@Disorder2312]

My take is that all base ID's should be in the F tier. I would still use even some of the worst ones out there over the base ones anyway, because they at least have some utility. Especially the N Corp Meursault. He still inflicts the useful debuffs. Not saying he's good, but it's kind of crazy to put him below the base ID's, that have like nothing going on for them.

[@user-jt7ic1je3r]

ttgl did not deserve to be S tier. deserved a tier, esgoo i will find you i told you

[@dwnwnd]

tengen toppa gurren lagann is peak bro

[@Dexmcjex]

bro casted an incantation

[@charls.87]

Him and WSault should’ve traded spots

[@user-jt7ic1je3r]

@@charls.87 true!

[@MinhucVoPham]

Ttgl?

[@logan-ft5je]

Kk Hong lu who has dog shit clashing, plus zero offense level, and the only thing going for him is a high damage 4 coin s2 is in B N rodion, who has dogshit clashing, a +3 offense level, and the only thing going for her is a high damage 4 coin s3 is in D tier. Lmao. Granted s2 is better than s3 since you have twice as many, but bith are dogshit units that only work going unopposed and only have a small fraction of their kit even being usable.

[@Dememenic]

Regret Faust over Dawnclair is still a genuine crime.

[@richardomilos8686]

I think its justified. Sinclair is more inconsistent and he brings nothing in terms of a trademark ego. Meursault has regret faust has fluid sac etc. Maybe lantern but good luck fueling that on a burn team and she has attack weight on 2 of her skills as opposed to 1 on sinclair.

[@velvetphi]

regret faust's aoe plus coin drop is genuinely lifesaving against some fights

[@marakrofitcac3425]

Regret Faust doesn’t start the fight nearly as weak as Dawnclair.

[@Anlbleeding]

HOW DARE YOU PUT ISHMAEL LOWER THAN WET SLOSH SHE IS VERY USEFUL TREMOR BURST PLUS BLUNT FRAGILITY ON SKILL 3 NOW I AM GONNA ADMIT THE CLASH WIN CONDITION ON SKILL 2 ISNT VERY VERSATILE BUT THE SKILL ONE APPLIES 1+ TREMOR COUNT WHICH IS REALLY GOOD YOU TWINK ESGOONER

[@cavyd]

Horrible tier list, don't ever do that again, I will not stand with the Phillip clair downplay (please don't kill me ESGOO I have a family)

[@bullet3417]

he is in your walls

[@Sgticecube]

Invalid list since not all of ishmaels ids isn't S tier.