A kosher response to the Jewish roots: With Tim Chaffey

[@PronomianAndrew]

I grew up in a family with a Hebrew Roots bent and it was always understood that salvation was by grace through faith in Jesus alone. The observance of feast days, the Torah, and the Sabbath were always viewed in light of Jesus, not in addition to it. If others have a similar experience, I'd love to know! Does the Hebrew Roots movement (in the majority....not the minority) believe in a works-based faith, because that hasn't been my experience.

[@85xxwarmachine]

I agree with you

[@85xxwarmachine]

@Jeremiah Lawson wrong. Everyone who has ever been or will ever be saved is by grace through faith. Read the words of Yeshua (Jesus). I'm paraphrasing here, many will come to him and say Lord lord didn't we do this and didn't we do that? And he will say away from me you workers of LAWLESSNESS. You are not granted eternal life by trusting in your own rightousness but you cannot refuse to obey God and expect him to reward you with eternal life!

[@85xxwarmachine]

@Jeremiah Lawson Faith and works are two sides of the same coin. Faith without works is DEAD, as in you will die. But that does not mean you are saved by works. Do you see the difference?

[@85xxwarmachine]

@Jeremiah Lawson Well... Here is what he said in the flesh: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Matthew 5:17‭-‬18 NIV Pretty sure that Heaven and Earth are still here.

[@85xxwarmachine]

@Jeremiah Lawson lol, literary genre. That is absolutely not what he was saying. First of all he said until ALL is accomplished. Have you ever read the prophets sir? If you have you may want to read them again because they will tell you that very much is still to be accomplished.

[@pblonrongracie]

My Hebrew Roots friend laughs at me if I share scripture that diesnt go along with her beliefs. She says it a Christian twist . She says she is not a Christian. It s hard talking to her.

[@J32-s1o]

Hey Remnant Radio, Great interview! But I feel that it is insufficient to have one perspective on this subject. I know that Dr. Chaffey said that he is painting the movement with a broad brush, and indeed, he does so a lot, almost to the point where I think he is creating a strawman out of the Messianic Jewish community as well. I think many of the positions are misunderstood not just by Dr. Chaffey but by Western Christians in general. You should interview someone like Rabbi Itzhak Shapira of Ahavat Ammi ministries or Dr. Rabbi Mark Kinzer of the Zera Avraham Congregation or Dr. Rabbi Baruch Korman of V'ahavtah Yisroel or Dr. Rabbi Joseph Shulam of Netivyah Ministries, or Dr. Rabbi David Rudolph, who are Messianic Jews and still live out Jewish customs as an Orthodox Jew would. None of these people identify with the Hebrew Roots movement but with the Messianic Jewish Community, and I know that they would disagree with or at least provide more nuance to many of the points that Dr. Chaffey is making. just as Frederica Mathewes-Greene provided much nuance to the East Orthodox beliefs, and the same with Bishop Keith Ackermann for the Anglican community. I know you interviewed Pastor Greg Stone in the past, but the people I mentioned can provide much more context as far as the Jewish mindset is concerned. With all due respect, Dr. Chaffey is hardly a representative voice for the Messianic Jewish/Gentile Community. Another guest recommendation is Dr. Miles Jones, who researches the records of the Hebrew Gospels and their comparisons to the Greek Gospels.

[@daddybroome708]

YAHWEHS CHOSEN PEOPLE ARE THE HEBREW ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS THAT WERE IN SLAVERY FOR 400 YEARS IN THE UNITED 🐍 OF AMERICA. JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE GENTILE DESTORYER IS ON HIS WAY

[@throughhumaneyes7648]

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[@christinalafferty6073]

@J 32 totally agree. I work at a Messianic church, and I think there's so much more to understand about the movement. While I see some legalistic tendencies from some, the movement brings a lot of value to the Church as well.

[@felixguerrero6062]

Messianic Christians are not the same thing as Hebrew Roots, HR are a judaizing sect that are effectively preaching another Gospel (Galatians 2, Acts 15).

[@sheldonsawyer4782]

@@christinalafferty6073 Thank you for your work. Baruch HaShem 🙌🏼

[@andrewbarnes6617]

Hey Remnant Radio! Itzhak Shapira with Ahavat Ammi is actually in Texas and I think he would be a great perspective in this same vein of discussion. He emphatically says his ministry isn’t Hebrew Roots and defends that point often when he speaks. I’m interested to hear more about this topic because this is something I’m trying to figure out too 😂

[@daddybroome708]

THE REAL HEBREWS ISRAELITES IS US AFRICA AMERICANS THAT WERE SCATTERED FROM THE 4 CORNERS OF THE EARTH GENTILES ARE FINISHED FOR SLAVING YAHWEHS CHOSEN PEOPLE FOR 400 YEARS. JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE GENTILE DESTORYER IS ON HIS WAY

[@minhan1394]

Yeah, Ahavat Ammi is in Fort Worth

[@daddybroome708]

@@minhan1394 DANIEL 10 VERSE 5 GOD IS A BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS THE REAL JEWS

[@JDRusse11]

@@daddybroome708 Where in that verse does it say that God has a certain color?

[@daddybroome708]

@@JDRusse11 YAHWEH SAID THAT HEBREWS IS HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE THE HEBREWS ARE US AFRICA AMERICANS HE SAID ALL NATIONS ARE LIKE SPIT OUT OF HIS MOUTH BECAUSE ALL NATIONS SLAVED HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE PSALMS 147 19 - 20.

[@k.miller5015]

If we can agree that this is NOT about salvation, because it isn't. Salvation is by faith not by works. This is about obedience to God. Both Christians and Torah observant believers are genuinely wanting to do what is right according to Scripture. It also seems apparent that one group is being deceived to believe something that is not the truth. So, if Satan is deceiving someone into believing a lie, would it make sense that he is tricking people to follow of all of God’s instructions (remember this isn't about Salvation)? Or would it make more sense that Satan would not want people to follow God's instructions and tell lies about why they shouldn't do them?

[@thomasmarchese2808]

So. If it’s all the commands what about sacrifices? Not those? Well the Bible never splits the law into different groups. It’s the whole law. We aren’t under the letter of the law. It’s the spirit of the law. Principle. Like Roman’s says. Tutor until Christ. I know it gets kinda complicated. But if you take following the law the way they do where do you draw the line? Because you have to. Because all 613 is impossible. Some don’t even make sense. Like we don’t live in houses with flat roofs. Well. Most don’t. So that doesn’t apply. Incest is a law. Yet it’s also illegal outside of the Bible. So how much do you obey just by not breaking social laws? How much don’t make sense because it’s been 3000 years so the way we wash cloths and take care of ourselves is completely different? Oh the sacrificial and ceremonial are done but the 10. The moral stand. Again the word never separates them. But it does say by the spirit not the letter. Good for thought.

[@k.miller5015]

@@thomasmarchese2808 I have been following God's Torah for about 3 years now. And it isn't too difficult if you search the scriptures and do the Torah and not the man-made traditions. Deuteronomy 30:11 says what I am commanding you today is not to difficult for you. If you think for some reason God's Torah or Mosaic Iaw is done away with, read Deuteronomy 30. This is prophetic and has not happened yet. It clearly says in verse 8, "You will again obey the LORD and follow all the commands I am giving you today." So whoever you think Israel is, God wants and expects them to keep it again. So it can not be done away with. God commandments and Torah are perfect, riving the soul. There is great reward in keeping them Psalm 19:7-11. If you can see His Torah as God describes it, it will help your understanding. Be blessed!

[@letmeapologize]

My mother in law loves to observe the feasts. She sets up a tabernacle in her beautiful backyard garden every year, she bakes challah and lights her Shabbat candles every Friday evening, and we have celebrated Passover with other Christians in her home in the past. The majority of her home library is related to the feats, she just finds it fascinating. She does not believe that Christians are obligated to observe these events, but, rather, that because we are free in Christ, we "get" to observe them. I have observed them with her and tend to agree. Observing the feasts and Shabbat has added so much richness to my life as a Christian, particularly in light of studying the Old Testament with a New Testament perspective. I have to say though, it really made me appreciate these events that much more to hear Michael reiterate from scripture that these are only a shadow of the substance that is found in Christ. That's mindblowing to contemplate! Maranatha, come Lord!

[@beegee1313]

All praise and glory to YAH!

[@daddybroome708]

THE REAL JEWS IS THE AFRICA AMERICANS THE HEBREWS ISRAELITES THAT WERE IN SLAVERY BY THE GENTILES FOR 400 YEARS. JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE GENTILE DESTORYER IS ON HIS WAY

[@letmeapologize]

@@daddybroome708 As an African American, I have to say I disagree. A great book on the subject is Black Man's Religion by Glenn Usry and Craig Keener. You may find it helpful. God bless!

[@daddybroome708]

@@letmeapologize THE BOOK OF LIFE IS THE TORAH IS ONLY FOR US HEBREWS ISRAELITES. PSALMS 147 - 19 - 20. GOD SAYS HE HATE ALL 17 NATIONS. PSALMS 147 - 19 20

[@daddybroome708]

@@letmeapologize DEUTERONOMY 24 VERSE 16 ACCORDING TO THE CREATOR JESUS NEVER DIED FOR YOUR SINS HE NEVER EXISTED ACCORDING TO THE CREATOR YAHWEH

[@epitt22]

Regarding the commandments that say forever…what most dont realize is Jesus has returned. So the church thinks everything is in the future, so they dont understand that the law and the feasts have been full-filled.

[@ronevartt7537]

With the Messianic and Hebrew Roots movements, should we have our main focus on the Torah and Jewish traditions? What does the Word say? Why would a person leave the Christian church, with its traditions and false doctrines, just to be caught up in Jewish traditions and false doctrines? What is our goal, the main emphasis? This study might sound harsh, but what are you seeking for? The Way, Truth, and Life! Don’t replace Jesus for the Torah (written word), but rather replace Torah for Jesus (The Living Word)! Which came first, Torah or Jesus? Which one is Living and Reigning? “Abide in the Doctrine of Christ”, or you “Hath Not God” 2Jn 1:9 - 11 The Hebrew Roots (Most), and the Messianic (Most) movements are following through a different “DOOR”! Are we to follow Jews, or our Lord Jesus? Joh 10:7 - 10, Luk 10:7 - 10 We're to seek the righteousness of Jesus, and enter through the "Door" Luke 13:23 - 25 Who is our Rabbi? Mat 23:8 Who are we to "Follow"? Mat 4:19, Mark 8:34 The Shema, “a Jewish prayer”, a tradition of men! The Shema is not a prayer, but rather a Way of Life, JESUS! If you read it, then you will see it’s about our “Daily Walk”, and not an abbreviated prayer. Are we called to walk as a Jew, or to walk as HE walked? The Shema was to teach everyone around us, and to display that in our daily walk from the time we get up to the time we sleep. (Rev 2:1 - 7 )This is addressed to what I believe are the Messianic and Hebrew Roots of today, who put Torah and Jewish traditions before our Messiah, leaving their First Love: So why is it important to follow the Doctrines of Christ? Jesus fulfilled (fully preach) the law, being the “Perfect” example to us of how to truly keep it! He was the mystery of God that was hidden until He came. Who will we learn from, Jesus or the Torah? Without Jesus we are still under the curse of the law! So which is more important? Jesus will teach us the Torah by the way He walked! Rom 16:25 - 26 What are we told about the traditions of men? Check what you’re saying and doing, and see if it is a “commandment of God”, or a tradition of men! Did our God command us to look and act Jewish (occultist hand signs in your prayer of Aaron, scroll parade, allegiance to a wicked nation, and a flag used by the occult since Babylon)? O Jerusalem Jerusalem, how I long to gather you… Realize Israel (Jerusalem/Temple of our God) is only a believer in the Messiah, who keeps His commandments, for there is neither Jew nor Greek, only those who are in Christ Jesus. Who is your teacher, the commandments or your Messiah? I know many will say He is the Word/Torah, and if this be true, “Follow Him”, what He said and taught through the Gospel of Jesus Christ! Your traditions will cause you to reject God (Jesus, the Living Word) Mat 15:3, Mar 7:9, Mar 7:13 Commanded to listen and follow Jesus from the Torah! Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet (The Messiah) from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which HE shall speak in My name, I will require (require: properly to tread or frequent) it of him. Do you want the written word or the “manifest Word”? 1Ti 6:3, Col 2:6 - 10, 1Jn 1:1 - 4, Mat 17:1 - 8 Who do we put on, Torah or Jesus? Rom 13:14, 1Co 15:53 - 54, Col 3:9 - 17 True Israel Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. SALVATION is by JESUS CHRIST alone, but the evidence of our Salvation (JESUS) is when we love Him we will keep His commandments, putting on the Lord Jesus Christ, as taught and walked by Him! Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[@XavierPutnam]

As a Torah-observant, Charismatic believer in Jesus who is regularly edified by Remnant Radio’s content (and Tim’s content as well), this interview saddened me. To be consistent about smashing echo-chambers (like you usually are), please interview a Torah-observant believer who affirms salvation by grace through faith apart from works, the triune Godhead, spiritual gifts, and the 66 books of Scripture. If interested, I can provide a few recommendations. Please give us a fair interview. I can also give a list of people within this movement to avoid. There are those who can explain the history, spectrum, and core theology of this movement accurately and concisely, as well as provide a scriptural defense for Torah-observance. There are also plenty of us speaking out against heresy within the movement. If you compare it to the Charismatic movement in its diversity, the Torah movement should make a lot more sense. I still love you guys and the content you produce.

[@MrLakin11]

Romans 2:26-29 "A person is a Jew inwardly." Paul's words, straight from the text.

[@daddybroome708]

APOSTLE PAUL IS THE SON OF SATAN COLOSSIANS 1 VERSE 15 JESUS CHRIST THE FIRSTBORN CREATURE SATAN AND ONLY THE HEBREWS ISRAELITES ARE THE REAL JEWS THE AFRICAN AMERICANS THE CHOSEN PEOPLE THAT ONLY SALVATION IS FOR PSALMS 147 - 19 - 20 ALL GENTILES ARE FINISHED FOR SLAVING YAHWEHS CHOSEN PEOPLE FOR 400 YEARS IN THE UNITED 🐍 OF AMERICA

[@MrLakin11]

@@daddybroome708 Get off my thread, you son of the serpent.

[@daddybroome708]

@@MrLakin11 DANIEL 10 VERSE 5 GOD IS A BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE GENTILE DESTORYER IS ON HIS WAY JESUS CHRIST CAN'T SAVE YOU GENTILES BECAUSE HE NEVER EXISTED ACCORDING TO THE CREATOR DEUTERONOMY 24 VERSE 16 JESUS BLOOD WAS NEVER A HUMAN SACRIFICE YOU GENTILES ARE FINISHED

[@MrLakin11]

@@daddybroome708 I hope you eventually run into someone who you respect that is a decent biblical exegete because you are INSANELY out of context. Voddie Baucham is a pretty good exegete, and he's an African American. So, he fits into your master race theory; maybe you will listen to him. Look up his preaching...please.

[@daddybroome708]

@@MrLakin11 READ OBADIAH IF YOU GENTILES THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF YAHWEH

[@85xxwarmachine]

Jesus said do not think I have to come abolish the law and the prophets...

[@AA-by7xc]

Love fulfills the Law, Perfect Law of Liberty... Love works no ill to his neighbor, etc...

[@AA-by7xc]

Faith uphold the Law

[@dylanmilks]

Great conversation! Thanks again guys!

[@annzitamiranda1978]

I think this is something that you guys should do more podcasts about. A lot of Christians are following this movement from a true heart. The title of the video should have been Hebrew Roots and not Jewish roots as this is what is easier identified with this movement. Although most of them deny being part of a movement and will say they are only following God's word. Good on you guys for getting into this. Hope you can dive deeper and help me (because I have a sister in Christ who is now following this) and a lot of other brothers and sisters. God bless 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@daddybroome708]

HEBREWS ISRAELITES IS US AFRICA AMERICANS THAT WERE SLAVED BY THE GENTILES FOR 400 YEARS AGO WE ARE GOD CHOSEN PEOPLE. JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE GENTILE DESTORYER IS ON HIS WAY

[@elijah4767]

Great interview! You guys always conduct such knowledgeable and entertaining interview. I follow the Torah and am very familiar with the Hebrew Roots movement and thought I would share some other possible interview options. Jim Staley is well known in the Hebrew Roots circle, and led an ordinary Christian church before coming under conviction about following Torah and observing the Sabbath as the 7th day of the week. His series called Identity Crisis is one of the best messages I’ve ever heard and completely changed how I read the Bible and specifically, what the “house of Israel” really means. Rico Cortes is also well known in this sphere and is definitely worth checking out. Paul is one of the most misinterpreted authors of the entire Bible. He states multiple times that we are not JUSTIFIED by the law which is true. We are justified in Jesus Christ. The curse of the law is not the law itself as the law is pure and good. The curse of the law is that it is impossible to receive salvation from it. To anyone who believes that the Torah is not to be followed, please read this next verse from Romans 3. “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.” Both the Jews and the Gentiles did go to the synagogues. The entire book of acts is full of preaching in synagogues. What was the outer court for? The Gentiles. It’s important to remind people when it comes to this movement, that Jesus did in fact follow Torah. They had to bring false witnesses in to convict Him, for they could find no sin (aka breaking of Torah). Even when the Sanhedrin were trying Him and He was remaining silent, He spoke when commanded under oath of the living God (Matt 26:63) because this was necessary under Torah. The summary fo the movement to my understanding is this, Jesus lived a sinless life and did not come to abolish the law, but fulfill it. There’s not much scripture to support that we should follow solely the Ten Commandments (important to note that even if that were the case, Christians would be breaking the fourth every week). Most arguments against following of the Torah, tend to be misinterpreting passages in Paul’s epistles or misinterpreting Acts 15 (which clearly pertains to circumcision, not the entirety of Torah). If Acts 15 is the basis of the argument that Torah is not to be followed, then the only law Gentiles should follow what was said in verse 20, which most Christians don’t follow. That’s a summary of what I’ve learned since following the movement. I do not believe following Torah is necessary to salvation, but I do think Matthew 5:19 answers that question better than I could Edits: I would also strongly disagree with the interpretation he offers of Gal 5:18. Torah is not abolished because of that verse. If you are walking in the Spirit, you are not sinning and the very next verse does support that. I don’t believe that means that the Torah is abolished aside from 9 of the commandments Messianic Judaism is not what he said it is either. Messianic Judaism, though classified as Christianity, does believe that Jesus followed and reaffirmed the Torah and was the Messiah. It is comprised mostly of Jewish people. I’ve been to many Messianic Jew Temples and Wikipedia will reaffirm this as well. If he believes that Jews and Gentiles are still separate and the Bible never says otherwise, what gate will he be entering in the New Jerusalem. The Northern 10 Tribes of Israel have been scattered across the entire world and mixed in with other nations. Are only the children of Judah considered non Gentiles? Most people who keep Torah, do not keep all 600+ laws. There are many laws that were only applicable during that specific periodical context.

[@elijah4767]

This was much longer than I intended. I need to sleep but will be back tomorrow to continue. I just want to respond from a biblical standpoint as to how a Hebrew Roots or Messianic Jew would to the points he’s making, as these are differences in interpretation and clearly I lean much more towards the Hebrew Roots understanding of the scriptures. Will continue tomorrow but need sleep

[@ruthvansandt9713]

I read no further than “under conviction about following Torah” he apparently did not read Romans or Galatians, which would have dispelled him of this notion/fear. More great resources to supplement the remnant radio discussion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4OaqYePnb14mNE kzbin.info/www/bejne/pp2skqmjmstqjq8

[@elijah4767]

Ruth Van Sandt He has read both of those books, and if you read further you would see I address the main passages in Galatians in my comment. This is a growing movement of people who, most, having read the entire Bible many times have come to different conclusions about the law. If you have any specific passages that you believe nullify the Torah, feel free to reference them

[@daddybroome708]

DANIEL 10 VERSE 5 GOD IS A BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS THE REAL JEWS

[@85xxwarmachine]

@@elijah4767 Nice post brother. Unfortunately "christians" either don't read or don't understand what scripture says. In fact if Jesus did to the law what they claim then he would be a false prophet according to Dueteronomy. Not to mention the prophets who tell you that The Messiah will rule from Jerusalem and the whole world will follow torah. Let's not be too harsh though, I too used to be like them. May YHWH open all our eyes. Peace

[@markjeffries7150]

What are the stipulations of the New Covenant?

[@k.miller5015]

I believed the mainstream Christian doctrine until about 8 months ago. This is not about salvation. It is about obedience. No one was ever saved by the law. Not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Peter, Paul, no one. We are saved by faith. (Here is where you should be asking yourself if this is the case why would the law ever have to be abolished?) And we obey God because he knows what is best for us and gave us instructions on how to live. Christians believe this and so do Torah observant believers. The difference is what instructions do we think are applicable. Videos like this seem to not get this so they aren't able to really get into a proper debate on the real differences. It's a spiritual thing for sure!

[@tylerbasham1491]

Check out pastor Gary at Triumph in Truth this is hard for me being new to faith

[@tylerbasham1491]

@Jeremiah Lawson it really is confusing because he makes a lot of sense at least seems to the way he reads thru scripture. And it's hard for me because I grew up in church, but was a kid who never heard any historical context, so coming back the whole reading hebrew/Greek deal diving into the history it's hard discerning what's men twisting scripture and what's right

[@tylerbasham1491]

I went to a church of the nazarene, but I was young and just in the sunday school thing never really got anything other than storytime stuff about the flood or somethin

[@daddybroome708]

DANIEL 10 VERSE 5 GOD IS A BLACK MAN

[@babelon1987]

I watch Triumph in Truth, too! Great sermons!

[@sinistransgressionofthetor5449]

@@babelon1987 👍

[@VahidPazirandeh]

Am I the only one getting audio/video lag when playing this video? The lip movement is not in sync with the sound. Is it just me?

[@RandomBoxingGuy]

Almost every Hebrew Roots person I know and have e gaged with SAY “Yes, We believe in faith alone, in Christ alone by the havre of God alone”… BUT, we you start asking questions is clear their answers and actions don’t support that statement. Almost like they they are SUPPOSE to believe that.

[@remingtonstone655]

Sorry I meant to say that Dr. Stewart has a masters in Middle Eastern history not “military history“.

[@johnmyers6372]

Another discussion would enjoy hearing: The Tribes of Israel; sheep not of this fold; to the tribes scattered; Abraham is father of faith, not blood. Etc. Can't remember the groups. I appreciate and love your program. Always good to test with fire. It either refines, or consumes. May The Truth be revealed.

[@pblonrongracie]

In acts acts 15 when they talk about the Gentiles keeping the laws especially circumcision. The disciples discuss this amoung themselves and this is the conclusion they came to. Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.” Acts 15:19‭-‬21 ESV Did the Jews continue to keep the laws of Moses because they were Jews even though the gentiles didn't?

[@thomasmarchese2808]

Yes. The book explains that. The Jews continued to practice their heritage. That’s why Paul confronts Peter when he’s eating with gentiles then when the circumcision party comes he starts walking a different walk because he doesn’t want to look bad. Because there’s nothing against Jews associating with gentiles. Which is exactly why God sent Peter to the centurions house earlier in the book. But now he’s discriminating after eating with gentiles. Very clear

[@pblonrongracie]

My friend says she is a messianic believer but I have studied what she believes she is hebrew roots She says she is not a Christian . She says she reads new testament with a jewish mindset. She Follows the law and even celebrates the feasts. Follows dietary laws also. O find she jumps around when we discuss it It's very hard to talk to her.

[@k.miller5015]

Hi, it's me again. I hope I'm not freaking you out with all these responses. It's just I can understand both sides now and it is evident where the confusion is. Just remember like you we all are trying to obey God the best we know how. Torah observant believers just believe that all of God’s commandments are good and are still applicable to believers now. Not for salvation but for blessings and to show our love to God. Just like why Christians obey Jesus's commandments. Not to be saved by these works but because we believe they are for our good...right?

[@pblonrongracie]

@@k.miller5015 I understand. It would be fine if she didn't condemn Christian's. I think she thinks I am not saved.

[@k.miller5015]

@@pblonrongracie That’s too bad she would think that. I'm curious to see what would happen if you asked her - Do you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh? Is the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation the inspired true word of God. Do you believe in an absolute truth? Hopefully this will bring some common ground to you both. Then you can talk about which commandments are applicable and why? We all have to accept that we might not be 100% correct in order to accept correction.

[@pblonrongracie]

@@k.miller5015 I have tried to talk about but many times she shames me. We have learned to stay away from this type of conversation. It upsets me and and affects me.

[@agape-dikaia]

I would like to ask the guest - Do you consider those people who say: "We are not saved by obeying Torah, but buy offering of the Jesus Christ for free," to be in the hebrew roots movement? Even if these people as individuals are not meeting together or online, not reading books of authors of this movement, and they say, that “the obeying of the law, especially of the orders for priests, Levites,” are not necessary?

[@markwallace1251]

I must agree, there is much more of this conversation left to have.... Much much more.... Glad you guys are faithful with the follow-through 😉 While "A Kosher Response" may have been the most impactful statement that you could make against the opposing view, I do not believe it to be an effective witness of truth. The esteemed ideologies of this interview were far from "Kosher", whether practically, or religiously.

[@markwallace1251]

Is communion a shadow of the substance found in Christ?

[@markwallace1251]

I sure hope so...

[@ruthvansandt9713]

Although you clarify in the early bits that the group is not monolithic, I wanted to point out (for the sake of those still stuck in HRM) that not all believe they become Jews or MUST keep the law. I would agree that the early definition of their interpretation of Acts 15 is perhaps what makes the justification for labeling them HRM.

[@ruthvansandt9713]

@Jeremiah Lawson glad to hear “former”. My parents are still lost in it...

[@remingtonstone655]

Hey guys! I would really suggest that you guys reach out to Dr. Scott Stewart. He is a senior pastor of agape church in Little Rock, he has a masters degree in military history and A PhD in biblical Hebrew. He can explain the Hebrew roots movement and it’s theology in a very clear and effective way. I do not feel that this interview did justice to the complexity and diversity of the “movement“. Thanks!

[@joseph.bittick]

I chose to celebrate the Passover because of Jesus, not the law. Jesus was the ultimate Passover lamb and when He said when we break the bread and take the cup to remember Him, He is talking about the Sedar meal on Passover. FYI- Jewish days were just numbered 1-6 and then the Shabbat (Sabbath).

[@XavierPutnam]

Please bring on someone like Douglas Hamp, Tim Hegg, or David Wilber (all are Trinitarian and affirm salvation by grace through faith apart from works) to discuss Torah observance. Centuries ago, Calvinists and non-Calvinists would not have even sat at the same table like you guys do in this podcast. Please give us a seat at the table and let us make our case, just like you do for nearly every other Christian group.

[@dw5523]

Paul covered this in his letter to the Colossians: Colossians 2.16-23 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ...Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence." Christ is the fulfillment of the law for all who believe, who have been grafted into the root of Abraham and have been adopted into the family of God by faith. If you like Jewish culture, have at it, but it has zero bearing on our salvation, and is no more necessary than any other man made regulation.

[@daddybroome708]

APOSTLE PAUL ALSO SAID IN COLOSSIANS 1 VERSE 15 JESUS IS THE FIRSTBORN CREATURE SATAN GOD SAID JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE DESTORYER OF THE GENTILES IS ON HIS WAY YOU GENTILES ARE FINISHED FOR SLAVING YAHWEHS CHOSEN PEOPLE THE HEBREWS ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS FOR 400 YEARS

[@dw5523]

@@daddybroome708 neither of those verses say what you claim they do. Colossians says that Jesus, "is the first born over all creation", not the first creation. That term "first born" or "first begotten" means only or unique. Jesus was not created, he is as the Father - eternal, everlasting. Jeremiah is referring to Babylon and Nebuchadnezzer, who were both symbolized by a lion in Daniels vision of the four beasts. "Destroyer of the Gentiles" is a reference to him as a conqueror of nations, not that Jesus is coming to destroy the gentiles - that's contrary to his gospel being preached to all the nations to reconcile the gentiles to himself. Your partiality based on skin color and a victim mentality has warped the gospel into something that it's not. If God is going to condemn white people for slavery, then he'll also condemn Africans for selling them to the white people, and for practicing slavery today; and he'll judge them even harsher because unlike whites, they are enslaving their own people, they own neighbors. I've read some of your other replies in the comments, and see that you are a product of a gospel of condemnation, warped by your own brokenness. I hope that God will bless you to see the truth and come out of the false Hebrew Israelite theology that has you bound in chains of darkness and ignorance.

[@daddybroome708]

@@dw5523 ROMANS 1 VERSE 23 - 25 APOSTLE PAUL SAID THAT HE CHANGE THE GLORY OF THE UNCORRUPTIBLE GOD TO AN CORRUPTIBLE IMAGINE OF A MAN JESUS CHRIST. JESUS CAN'T SAVE ANYONE HE COULDN'T SAVE HIS OWN LIFE OFF THE CROSS.

[@daddybroome708]

@@dw5523 APOSTLE PAUL SAID THAT YOU GENTILES WORSHIP THE CREATURE INSTEAD OF THE CREATOR

[@daddybroome708]

@@dw5523 APOSTLE PAUL IS A GENTILE HE WAS SENT TO YOU GENTILES HE SAID THAT GENTILES SACRIFICE TO DEMONS AND NOT TO YAHWEH. 1CORINTHIANS. 10 VERSE 21 GENTILES ARE FINISHED FOR SERVING THE CREATURE JESUS CHRIST

[@bbraskey8521]

Remnant Radio, I appreciate your podcast and heart in trying to bring clarity to various issues within the body of Messiah. In lieu of having a guest that purports to know about the Hebrew Roots Movement, it would be better to have someone who has actually been a part of it for a substantial amount of time. I would suggest reaching out to Bill Cloud, who has been a teacher and pastor in the movement for 25+ years. Just as there are a multitude of perspectives amongst and within Reformed, Baptist, Charismatic, Orthodox, etc., there are a variety of perspectives amongst and within people who believe that YHVH's instructions (i.e. the Torah) are simply instructions for right living. Do as Yeshua did in both spiritual and practical ways, not just "praying the sinners prayer" (not in the scripture) and claiming that you are saved. Paul said to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. The modern church is good at systems, organizations, programs, making converts and building funds, but not so good at making disciples.

[@robinq5511]

People are incurably religious by nature and so adopt traditions that make them 'feel' holy. You see it in all the major religious movements and in their worship styles whether public or private. Popes, vicars, reverends, rabbis, even doctors of theology, all seem to 'wannabe' seen like the scribes and pharisees did - and their followers love to have it so. Just put on a shawl, light some candles and chant 'Jesus' over and over again in song with hands raised and the mood is set. We might as well go back to Judaism - but wait - Judaism is no more so new inventions are needed. It will never end because we don't really want to be set free from our traditions - or our flesh.

[@daddybroome708]

HEBREWS ISRAELITES IS US AFRICA AMERICANS THE CHOSEN PEOPLE THE GENTILES SLAVED GODS PEOPLE FOR 400 YEARS. JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE GENTILE DESTORYER IS ON HIS WAY

[@k.miller5015]

Hey, I totally hear what you are saying. People love to get into religion and I think Satan loves it too. It distracts us from doing what God commands. I have been a Christian believer for 47 years and just recently started seeing things a little differently. I still believe that we are only saved through faith in Jesus. But that maybe instead of following God's ways we have slipped and started following the ways of the world. God has appointed times Sabbaths and Festivals. But as Christians we have been told they are old and sort of backwards. Even that God hates them when we read Isaiah 1. But I think as Christians we have been deceived. Would it make sense that God would hate a Sabbath He created? Or is it that God hates OUR appointed feasts and OUR assemblies and not HIS. What God and Jesus are not wanting are our man made ways, laws, celebrations that we make up. As Christians we have been told that God's Laws are somehow bad and that need to be abolished. Why would God ever make a commandment to anyone that was not for the persons good? And no one was ever saved by the Law. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Peter, Paul, no one was saved by the law. Only by faith in Jesus. So if we can understand these two points then we can start asking the question why would the God's law need to change or be done away with?

[@daddybroome708]

@@k.miller5015 he said that he hate our feast days in holidays because we polluted his days because we made it for ourselves read the whole chapter of Isaiah 51 and you mentioned that Christians said that we shouldn't keep the laws of Yahweh is because Christians are a lawless people the laws mean salvation not keeping the laws mean death the laws is perfect converting the soul apostle paul is a gentile and we're sent to the gentiles by SATAN and to Christians ROMANS 1 VERSE 23 25 APOSTLE PAUL SAID THAT HE CHANGE THE GLORY OF THE UNCORRUPTIBLE GOD TO AN IMAGE OF A CORRUPTIBLE MAN JESUS WE SERVE THE CREATURE INSTEAD OF THE CREATOR. IF YOU ARE A BLACK PLEASE STOP BEING A CHRISTIAN BECAUSE YAHWEH SAID THAT ITS ONLY ONE ELOHIM NO TRINITY OR JESUS. EXODUS 20 VERSE 3 YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BUT ME THE CHRISTIANS LIED AND FOOL THE WORLD THAT GOD HAD A SON REMEMBER CHRISTIANITY IS UNDER THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH LAWLESS PEOPLE WHO HATE GOD

[@robinq5511]

@@k.miller5015 Why? Because they were only a shadow of things to come - things for which the substance is found in Christ and that He fulfilled.

[@k.miller5015]

@@daddybroome708 I feel like you hijacked my reply. It appears you have some strong beliefs but I don't agree with them. Yeshua (Jesus) is our Savior. He is the way the truth and the life. I believe we should follow His example and keep God's commandments but our salvation is through faith in Yeshua Jesus Christ.

[@josephbooth8431]

Remnant radio should have men like Lex Myer from Grafted Church, 119 Ministries, and Zach from New2Torah on the show regarding this subject.

[@sharonlouise9759]

The law is a revealer, not a redeemer

[@ruthvansandt9713]

9:30 THANK YOU for addressing those who relabel themselves Messianic Jewish when they are actually Hebrew Roots. A prime example is First Fruits of Zion; I have evidence they called themselves HR in 2009 but now go by MJ, even though only one in the leadership is even half Jewish.

[@ruthvansandt9713]

@Jeremiah Lawson are they Jews though? If not, then they are not actually MJ. And if you’re talking about FFOZ, I have been there, they’re not Jews, just pretend to be. :)

[@thomasmarchese2808]

It’s amazing how often no Jew or febrile is quoted but the rest isn’t quoted. As they brought up. Slave or freeman. Male or female. It’s about discrimination not distinction. The law is good for teaching and correction. Like the muzzled ox. If you put in work you’re entitled to some of the reward. By the spirit not by the letter.

[@rokitman5753]

You boys are a rare breed y'all ask great questions 💪 Art Bell had it goin on like that too 👽

[@daddybroome708]

DANIEL 10 VERSE 5 GOD IS A BLACK MAN THE ELOHIM OF THE HEBREWS ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS

[@daddybroome708]

@UC8IKZVpdhBj-rHwQroe0NHQ GENTILES WILL NEVER ENTER THE KINGDOM BUT THE ONLY WAY IS THREW US HEBREWS ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS NOT THREW JESUS CHRIST. PSALMS 147 - 19 - 20 BECAUSE THE LAW'S AND STATUE IS GIVING THREW US AS A PEOPLE THE CREATOR HATES GENTILES FOR SLAVING HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE FOR 400 YEARS IN THE UNITED 🐍 OF AMERICA

[@elijah4767]

Romans 3:28-31 “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the Torah. Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Do we then make void the Torah through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.” We can not be justified by the Torah, so therefore we are not under the Torah. We can only be justified by faith in Jesus. Does that mean we throw out the Torah and no longer adhere to it? No. Sin is transgression of the Torah. To be Under the Law is to be subject to the consequences of transgressing the Law, which would be death apart from Christ. To be under the law, does not mean to be following Torah. Paul followed Torah. Why did the Pharisees say that they found no wrong in him? (Acts 23:9). The Pharisees would have been grading him off the Torah. Should we assume that Paul is guilty of transgressing the Torah without evidence of it? It’s easy to get bogged down in church doctrine, but I don’t believe there’s much of a biblical precedent that states that the Torah is null and void. What book did Jesus quote the most in His ministry? Deuteronomy. He came to expand on and explain the Torah, never saying it’s done away with.

[@thomasmarchese2808]

No one is saying it’s to be tossed out. Spirit. Not letter. Sacrifices? Oh those are out. Ceremony? Oh that’s out too. Only moral. But wait. The word never splits them up. It’s all the law. Paul says if you’re a gentile and get circumcised you keep all of it. He says if you’re a Jew stay a Jew. Gentile stay gentile. Neither Jew nor gentile gets quoted under literally every video as if the very next words aren’t neither male nor female. Point clearly being about discrimination not distinction. So what applies to Jewish people to set them apart and what is more applicable to everyone. Also what about time? Just like state laws about where you can leave your horse. Completely inapplicable today. But in spirit can be applied by hey. Make don’t leave something somewhere that doesn’t make sense or is dangerous to leave it. The principal or spirit can be applied. Hence the whole word is good for teaching and correction. Like Paul also said. The law was a tutor until Christ. Like children until the time set forth by a father. We’re to act as spiritually mature who can apply concepts and not live by the letter. Make sense?

[@nathanpriddis3878]

Thanks Remnant Radio. This is appalling, and it's sad to hear growth is occurring among homeschoolers. "Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.... ...Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.". HR =Judiazer=Circumcision Group. It's not possible to observe Torah, even a single portion. It's not possible for a gentile to be instructed in Torah, without turning to the Rabbis, who are the teachers of the Law. It is not possible to pursue Torah, without Midrash and Talmud, because where there is Law, there must be a Lawgiver and Judge.

[@k.miller5015]

Hey Nathan, I was a Christian believer for 47 years and just recently began to see things a little differently. I still very much believe that we are only saved through faith in Jesus Christ. Nothing we can do to add to it. I can see now that this is what Acts 15 is also teaching. Acts 15:1 people were saying you had to get circumcised to be SAVED. This is what the dispute is about. Trying to do works to be saved. The circumcision party was preaching you must be circumcised to be saved. Paul and Barnabas were in sharp dispute about this false teaching. Christians believers and Torah observant believers both believe that we are saved by faith in Jesus. The difference is that Christians believe that some of God’s Law was only for the Jews and that Jesus made a new way. Torah observant believers think that all of God’s instruction is still applicable and still for our good now. That is what a healthy debate should be about. I would like to discuss this with you more if you like?

[@agape-dikaia]

So he is definitely lieng here: 17:52 (17:55 exactly: "favor") - because bible says something different here: John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself unto him." And what Jesus teached is exactly to keep ten comandments or even more, to be saved.

[@thomasmarchese2808]

The word never separates the law. It’s a unit. You don’t keep the law to be saved. By spirit not by letter.

[@k.miller5015]

Abraham wasn't a Jew. Isaac wasn't a Jew. Jacob (who's name was changed to Israel) wasn't a Jew. Jews came from one of Jacob's son's Judah. Judah is just one of the 12 tribes of Israel. They are not all Jews. The nation of Israel was divided into the house of Judah two tribes (Jews) and House of Israel 10 tribes (not Jews). As a gentile believer I don't become a Jew. I am grafted into the house of Israel (non-Jew). Understanding this will help you understand what Torah observant believers really believe.

[@thomasmarchese2808]

That’s not true. Gentiles we’re everyone that wasn’t Israel. Foreigners were outside the commonwealth of Israel. Not Judah. Your point is false.

[@k.miller5015]

@@thomasmarchese2808 I think you are confusing Israel with Jews. We Gentiles are grafted into Israel Romans 11:24 and now are part of the citizenship in Israel. Ephesians 2:12. We are not grafted into Judaism. In God's kingdom Israel there is no Jew or Gentile Galatians 3:28-29.

[@k.miller5015]

@@thomasmarchese2808 I don't mean to dump too much on you but have you read Isaiah 56?

[@duncescotus2342]

What if you boil shellfish in milk, something like a lobster bisque?

[@Yaboiii_123]

“There is always a clear distinction between Jews and Gentiles in the New Testament” Tim Chaffey “There is neither Jew nor Greek” St. Paul Dispensationalism is the father of the Hebrew Roots movement. This kind of teaching leads us to despise the Law of God by dividing Israel and the Church. The Law is His gift which reveals to us who God is and how we are to live. Theonomy forever.

[@Yaboiii_123]

@Jeremiah Lawson yea but not all Theonomists are HR

[@beegee1313]

All glory to YAH

[@Yaboiii_123]

@Captain Blammo exactly. And that line from the 1689 was pulled from the Westminster which was the foundation for most of the Protestant Confessions. That is why you can be a theonomist without being Hebrew Roots.

[@thomasmarchese2808]

Neither Jew nor Greek. What’s the rest of it say? Neither make nor female. It’s amazing how often I see this verse quotes this way. It also says neither male nor female. It’s about discrimination not distinction. Why does Paul also say to not become a few if you are. And to stay a Jew of you are? Think. We’re different. For a reason. 1 in unity. Not uniformity. Men and women stay men and women. Jews and gentiles alike. All have equal access to god. But we’re still different people.

[@blakewidmer]

Chaim.org has good resources, its a messianic Jewish ministry outreach through the reformed church to Jewish people.

[@daddybroome708]

JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE GENTILE DESTORYER IS ON HIS WAY FOR THE 400 YEARS OF SLAVERY OF HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE THE HEBREWS ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS

[@marydawson824]

@@daddybroome708 Stop Spamming. It would do you well to listen to this teaching and stop wasting all our time with your spams. You are misguided.

[@daddybroome708]

@@marydawson824 DANIEL 10 VERSE 5 YAHWEH IS A BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES

[@marydawson824]

I have heard of two messianic groups who have eventually declared they no longer believe Jesus is God.

[@randyhall7420]

they are many messianic and hebrews roots groups are do this and this was who the book Hebrews was writing to and about jews was going to back the law and rejecting Jesus Chirst as the only saver to do that WAS to renunciation of CHRIST AS THE TRUE MESSIAH to go back jews faith.

[@daddybroome708]

DANIEL 10 VERSE 5 GOD IS A BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS THE REAL JEWS

[@daddybroome708]

@Captain Blammo THE CREATOR THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS IS RACIST AGAINST ALL NATIONS THAT IS NOT US HEBREWS ISRAELITES. PSALMS 147 19 AND 20

[@daddybroome708]

@Captain Blammo JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE DESTORYER OF THE GENTILES IS ON HIS WAY. GENTILES ARE WHITE PEOPLE GENTILES SLAVED HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE THE HEBREWS ISRAELITES THE AFRICA AMERICANS 400 YEARS GOD IS RACIST AGAINST WHITES PEOPLE WHO IS THE GENTILES

[@daddybroome708]

@Captain Blammo YOU GENTILES ALL WAYS IS A LAWLESS PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN YAHWEH ITS NOT MY WORDS THAT I SHOWED YOU IT'S FROM THE CREATOR LIPS. JEREMIAH 4 VERSE 7 THE DESTORYER OF THE GENTILES IS ON HIS WAY

[@sensiblechristian9791]

I'm sorry, but Tim is not a good representation of the Hebrew Roots movement. If you want to get a better idea of the movement look up Matthew Miller, VineyardJC in Johnston City Tn, Scott HIllman, River of Praise in Greenville Tn, or even Bill Cloud with Jacobs Tent. I've listened to a few minutes of this session and have already heard many misquotes/misunderstandings of scripture and I stand by my original statement regarding Tim. This pod cast is hard to listen to because of the misinterpretation of scripture which boarders on heresy, but I'm going to leave it at a misunderstanding of the context and reality of scripture.

[@qda5783]

It's not a good idea for the blind to be leading the blind. Obedience to God's commandments has never brought salvation, and Jews, Messianic Jews or Hebrew Roots never believed obeying God's commandment ever brought salvation. Salvation is a DIFFERNT topic. This interview is fruitless because the guest speaker is not conveying you the truth of what Messianic Jews believe. You should interview a Messianic Jewish Rabbi if you want to know what they believe.

[@grace_n_truth]

*Do believers have to keep the commandments to be saved?* Yes but not the ones in the old Covenant but in the new Covenant. If believers fail to keep them there is mercy see 1Joh 1:9. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that *keep the commandments of God, AND!!! the faith of Jesus.* Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that *do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life,* and may enter in through the gates into the city. 1 John 3:24 And he that *keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him.* And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. John 15:6 If a man *abide not in me,* he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and *they are burned.* 2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and *abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.* He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Faith of/in Jesus + keeping the New covenant commandments = eternal life. Easy believism is a dangerous herecy and will lead many to Hell.

[@brigittemurphy879]

No, the real scripture in Rev. 22:14, in the real text is "blessed are those who WASH THEIR ROBES that they may have the right to the tree of life", NOT 'those who have kept the commandments'. The 'commandment' addition is found in the Amplified Bible, and added to the robes, but in your 'special' version the 'robes' are totally replaced by "commandment"... Do your group, like the Jehovah’s witnesses have written an altered Bible text to suit your doctrines? Be careful lest you be deceived, by twisted doctrines or texts.

[@markjeffries7150]

What a skewed interview. For example, you joked about the 613 instructions but failed to even look at the individual instructions. This is a fluf piece.

[@alessandroamanti7729]

Well the Palestinian rabbi Yeshua is the King of Greater Isreal. Is running the Greater Is real

[@benreid9523]

What do you mean by this friend?