VAR Wrong Again and IFAB Trialling 'Sin Bins' | EP 52

[@DavidChong]

VAR talk aside, Aguero dodging all the interviews by claiming not to speak english is hilarious 😂

[@sliverseek1763]

Should check out English people in Dubai most after 10+ years and can't speak Arabic unbelievable or imagrants in Philippines or China

[@hopenyavor5514]

This is freakin’ hilarious 😂🤣

[@preachingamigo]

I feel like a pretty obvious solution for the League Cup would to just have it so that the teams playing in Europe don't play in the League Cup. It'd make it more likely for outsiders to win and earn a Europa league place, while lessening the sheer amount of games teams in Europe have to play.

[@kimmyk8824]

That’s an incredible idea

[@BaronSpamedi]

That's not a bad idea.

[@TheThejatsman]

Great suggestion. I am going to repeat this everywhere

[@AUDIS3ROB]

Great idea, this would work very well 👍

[@omegaman6494]

They'll either have to do this or merge the league Cup with the FA Cup

[@bigears9984]

Micah the man from delmonte Richards, had me in stitches when the cameras first showed him 😂😂😂😂

[@Feisar777]

Al closing his eyes to imagine sinbins is elite level mental imagery! 😅 he lived a full year of sinbin drama in 2 seconds

[@ThatGuyAJ]

Love the dynamic of the show, one of the best without a doubt..but the Micah & Gary dynamic is just the best. Young & older (with respect) is just truly unmatched. Keep up the good work guys. Look forward to these shows every week!

[@TheDanmcleman]

Micah 'That is a great question' Richards 😂

[@RezzaPrimex]

Would love to know more about Micah’s experiences when competing at the olympics?

[@64HomeMade]

Gary, Michal and Alan... pure joy people must think i'm mad ... out in town trying not to laugh.

[@joeheaton7607]

I can tell you guys haven't figured out the rules of youtube with swearing but the rules are no swear words at all within 1 minute. Then Alan can swear all he wants (except c bombs). Loving the podcast fellas. Keep it up

[@kinghandsdown]

The Wimbledon segment is hilarious Lineker.😂

[@sirius1204]

Meeks living his best life is so fantastic to see 😄, how can it not put a smile on your face.

[@sijones501]

I’m a Man Utd fan and was gutted for Newcastle (not only because I had a bet on them to win) but that decision was so transparently favouring the so-called “UCL Elite clubs” - even tho PSG have never won the thing, so don’t know why they are considered that. Sincerely hope Newcastle go through. Pretty sure they are at home against Milan, so they can win that for sure. And Dortmund would love to KO PSG! So it’s definitely on! It would be the right thing to happen and would right that wrong of a decision! Even if they don’t, Newcastle have shown they belong more than holding their own in a group of de*th.

[@kin9_derp952]

No one said anything when this happened in the first minute of the spurs vs Liverpool ucl final....

[@thegoat11111]

Much appreciated.

[@stephenderry9488]

@@kin9_derp952 It's a bit different when you've got 90 (or 98) minutes to fix it, than when it's virtually the last kick of the game...

[@TheThejatsman]

Well done m8, I am seeing more Man U fans talk sense lately. Carry on and we will all hate Arsenal instead

[@dkim5341]

nothing new happens all the time.

[@ChristopherSmeaton-si8yv]

What if VAR officials are secretly BETTING on matches ??? Great work lads loving it

[@Itskevooo17]

The too many games thing is understandable but just doesn't need changed imo. Only the big big clubs are complaining, but they are also loaded with players/ youth players. Use them more. Use it to develop them

[@TheThejatsman]

As someone suggested make the league cup only for teams not in Europe

[@GIBBO4182]

The Newcastle penalty decision was borderline cheating, it was that bad

[@A_Pt_9298]

And Rashford's when he was denied a goal , maybe a few, with ricochet's off of his chest, his shoulder? Isn't that what VAR is for, to zoom in for a more detailed view because it was took quick for any human eye?

[@GIBBO4182]

@@Do27gg Jason Cundy read UEFA's rules out on TalkSport and Alan mentioned it here, it should Not have been a penalty because it's deflects off his body, and is going away from the goals

[@philscott3759]

​@@Do27ggThat's why they dropped the VAR instantly, yeah?. If you think that says nothing about the legitimacy of the decision then I can't help your naivety.

[@misturmonson7423]

Lol stopbeing deluded, its not cheating ffs. Thats likee like saying we are cheating when we delay time etc

[@jonathanburn4388]

​@@misturmonson7423uefa have come out and said it was the wrong decision! Also the VAR ref made the decision to show him the only angle that made it look like handball when the TV replays showed all angles it blatant cheating

[@thegeekqwerty]

Was wishing for the new episode, and it came true! Lucky days 🍀

[@hartshaped]

The ref was doing excellent up until that point. I almost feel like after turning down previous VAR checks earlier in the game and the PSG players petulant reactions as if they were having some kind of injustice over every decision, which worked up the crowd creating a hostile atmosphere, that the ref just thought “if I don’t give this I’ll be the target of the hate after the game, if they miss it then at least it will be on their players not me” Basically boiling down to it being easier to upset the minority travelling fans at a chance of a 1-1 draw than making the call to effectively result in a 1-0 loss to a hostile home crowd. I’d also like to point out something that got little coverage but Lascelles and Trippier clearly spotted and was trying to point out to the ref, Ramos’ encroachment during the penalty (go back and watch the penalty and keep your eye on #9)

[@akamiguelsanchez9985]

I just sat in silence for about 20 minutes after that pen. Never seen anything like that before in top-level football

[@matthewirwin6134]

Ichiro used to pull the same trick with Japanese. He always spoke threw a translator but he spoke great english. You can hear him chatting it up with the opposing players as he scooted around the bases.

[@mezza.7]

It was a great decision! The wrong decision I agree but it was brilliant.

[@chrisburton4128]

The fact there was 8 minutes extra time alone tells you something was up

[@stephenderry9488]

What about all those substitutions Newcastle kept making to waste time... oh wait...

[@porciestreethenderson202]

Said this on wednesday during the game...I had the ref down as the MOM, he was that good, until that monumental fk-up...! Great pod by the way.❤

[@Moinul987]

Merson explained why sinbins won't work. Sinbins for starters takes points away from the opposition team in rugby, which isn't possible in football. Also if there's a timeout for footballers, it'll result in parking the bus - it'll make football much less entertaining

[@user-zm9xf7mo4p]

Well obviously it'll be implemented without a team losing points

[@FPL_Heisenberg]

Maybe Paul Merson is wrong. It'll work as a deterrent, so we will see more entertaining football as counter attacks won't be cynically stopped. Also when a team goes to 10 men we still have entertaining games. Spurs v Chelsea.

[@Dave_ja_vu]

I thought it was only going to be used for dissent to protect referees. Yellow card offences will still be yellow cards, with no change.

[@atikurrahman9304]

This whole cynical foul bollocks. Give a yellow for it? Who gives a shit if it ruins the game... You want to stamp it out then bloody use what you have at your disposal before bringing in new stuff. Refs need backbone.

[@garethross4271]

I would accuse them of cheating.

[@ryanmcintyre7069]

Gary, Alan and Micah. Firstly, love the Pod. I would just like to comment on the sin bin being brought into football. I see this as a positive thing. I played hockey at a good level and hockey has a green (2-5 min sin bin), yellow (10 min sin bin) and red card (off for the remainder of the game) system. Everyone mentions that it makes the game more defensive, but what is spoiling the game currently? Time wasting, crowding the referee etc this would be reduced and see a faster flowing game

[@GaryKidd]

Great stuff once again guys. Question: Were there any players in your teams who were always miserable and didn't get involved with the team atmosphere and kept themselves to themselves?

[@GaryKidd]

@@bb69bb just a question not that it will be answered

[@whitenbald]

I honestly thought when the ref got sent to the monitor he was gonna not give the pen. And then when it was given I was expecting Livramento to get angry and not let the pen get taken until the ref looks at it again (what I feel like I would do in that situation) 😂

[@House0fHoot]

Re. Paris, it’s highly suspicious that *all 3 officials* got it so wrong. And where did *8 minutes* extra time come from? 🤨

[@lucu01]

suspicious? it was a fix, and i'm nowt a toon mon

[@Dave_ja_vu]

The Qataris are better at bribing officials than the Saudis, will take more than a holiday for the refs next season won't it

[@paulos9900]

More questions need to be asked about why there were 8 minutes of added time. There were no goals, no injuries, only 2 subs and no pauses for VAR reviews when the decision was made for 8 minutes to be added on.

[@dash7148]

I didn’t watch the match, so my opinion is uninformed, but, was there quite a bit of time wasting with a team hanging onto their lead?

[@Youngbuck83]

​@@dash7148You might think that, but there really wasn't much time wasting, Pope got a yellow card for it, but that was all. Nowhere near enough for 8 mins, that's for sure.

[@TheMontyman007]

Did big Meeks win the man from Delmonte's hat in a celebrity auction?. Keep up the good work lads, the podcasts are great.

[@JoeyMoey91]

In regards to the League Cup, I strongly believe removing the teams who finish in a European spot would be hugely beneficial to the game. Top 6/7 clubs get less games, everyone else gets a good chance to win a trophy!

[@leehackett1614]

I noticed Alan was fine with VAR against Arsenal…. I agree it was an awful decision, UEFA were never gonna let the billions of PSG get kicked out at the group stage

[@binzy698]

Probably because they made the correct decision on that one. Not enough evidence to overturn the onfield decisions. Gabriel might've got the decision originally if he hadn't fallen over every five minutes

[@mikesearcy9151]

came to the comments just to see if someone else said it. If I remember right, he wasn't just fine with the Arsenal VAR, he thought it was ridiculous to be upset about it.

[@GIBBO4182]

Big difference is that VAR didn’t change the on field decision in that example, it did vs PSG

[@A-Port-In-Any-Storm]

because they made the right decision in the arsenal game. shearer's also been critical of VAR when it's gone in favor of newcastle before, like in the wolves game. you trying to imply bias says more about your own bias than shearer's

[@brettharter143]

Yous are deluded man, it was the CORRECT to follow the onfield decision in that case.

[@The_Judge300]

The penalty given to PSG stinks of corruption in my opinion. It made zero sense. Either one or more refs were paid off, or an order were given from above to give that penalty. Newcastle are losing so extremely much from this and they should be able to sue the UEFA for this if they drop out of the Champions League because of this. It should have serious consequences for the referees and UEFA when something like this happen.

[@g-e9513]

Being an arsenal fan I’m not even taking the piss out of that penalty, becauee it’ll come round full circle and happen to us at some point. Ridiculous decision and the use of VAR needs to be improved so so much. For me there HAS to be ex players without bias which is easier said than done involved in VAR

[@TheThejatsman]

Well done that man, you are the only arsenal fan that isn't

[@AFCbirmsy]

I did have this opinion to, and have been defending spurs and united at times. When it came to ours, everyone forgot the two apologies we had last year, and went off a cliff in how they've hounded arteta and arsenal. So personally, although your opinion is certainly the correct one, fuck rivals. They laid their bed now they can lie in it. Watching shearer, Neville, carragher look like hypocrites now would be funny, if it wasn't for the dystopia of it all.

[@Nutsarooba]

@@AFCbirmsy fantastically said my brother!!

[@The19610211]

It’s time that communications between VAR and the ref are broadcast in real time as it is in rugby. During the conversation either on the field or in front of the monitor the ref should describe what s/he is or isn’t seeing as an offence and challenge the VAR to state what rule has been broken. Let’s stop the cowardly VAR practice presently being used and show some courage and conviction.

[@danielrobinson8104]

Who wants to hear their incompetent communications while trying to enjoy a game of football? Just get rid of VAR until they learn how to use it correctly. In fact, maybe get rid anyway because even when it works well there are lots of negatives to it.

[@deecunningham9719]

love the pod. keep up the good work. However, people who don't take wrongful decisions seriously except when their own club is harmed aren't credible on the subject.

[@jono_jpg]

Tiny violin for Newcastle button.

[@TheDanmcleman]

Ask Alan what his thoughts are on Michael Owens comments from the Simon Jordan Podcast 🤔 great pod guys. Keep it up👊🏻

[@philhousby]

i would love to see alan shearer on simon jordan's podcast to give his reply

[@g-e9513]

What were his comments mate? Too busy to watch at the moment

[@TheDanmcleman]

@g-e9513 Owen basically said Shearer's comments about Owen refusing to play the last few games for Newcastle was totally made up and never happened. He was carrying an injury. And they fell out about it few years back. And haven't spoke since.

[@g-e9513]

@@TheDanmcleman ahhh okay. Thanks 👍🏼

[@Paul-lf4jj]

This is top quality, lads.

[@jeremywentworth1833]

From Chapeltown to Miami , Big Meeks lording it up everywhere. Regarding Southgate I thought he wasn't good enough originally when he got the job , I'm pleased too admit I was wrong. If we go English I'd like to see Eddie Howe given it. Pep surely would want to manage Spain before England . Speaking of Pep who will replace him at City when he does leave.

[@TheJackdiripper]

Such a great podcast 🎉

[@RossiDeakin0406]

I'm afraid that the Arab black gold money is a major concern for the integrity of our beautiful game, and var gives that opportunity for it to happen and also the emotions and previous 50/50 debatable decisions to have influence on a so called leveller decision later in the game.

[@marineboy1964]

Money talks in modern football

[@TheKingOfBeans]

Money talks in every aspect of life mate.

[@InBodWeTrust]

Wrong Gary ... in the Lewis Miley incident the ball came off his thigh before hitting his arm. The only small difference between that and the Tino incident is that Lewis was moving his arm away from the ball, yet Tino's running action meant his elbow came towards the ball. (It was still a natural arm position though, so neither was a penalty).

[@judechauhan6715]

What Micah said about pundits searching twitter before answering... I imagine Gary Neville is one of those but it could be anyone.

[@jamaicantillidie6626]

The mistakes by VAR is worse now than before VAR. It is one thing for a one human to make a quick on the spot decision based on what he saw or thought he saw. He had no state of the art technology, no way to stop the match and perform a lengthy review of the events. Rewinding and slowing the action from every angle. As such a decision is made, good or bad and the game naturally carry’s on, it flows. The officials were given the benefit of the doubt and fans would debate it for years to come over a pint.

[@sijones501]

It’s like European refs didn’t get the memo when it comes to handballs not being given when it deflects of another body part. Man Utd got done at least once by this last season in the Europa. It didn’t look as bad as the Newcastle one, but the ball clearly hit Martinez’s leg and then hit his arm. I could see why the ref gave it, he mustn’t have seen the ball hit his leg first, but I was shocked when VAR didn’t point that out and tell the ref it’s not a Pen! It’s madness! When that happens there’s literally no point having VAR!

[@mattrobertson9159]

Linekar btw peeps..is so goated I'm already thinking about how life will change if he's not moderating, plus he looks healthy af..an absolute stalwart both on and off 💪

[@ecalalo]

Feliz cumpleaños atrasado Gary! CRACK!

[@Shin45645]

My fav KZbin content at the momemt

[@martyn2302]

The hand ball rule should be like it is on the school playground, if it is kicked at you then you shout ball to hand and carry on 😂

[@drurain8823]

"What goes around comes around " by Arsenal

[@AM2K2]

Arsenal fans still crying 😭😭it was a subjective decision that split pundits - how are you comparing that to a decision UEFA have said is wrong 😭

[@drurain8823]

@@AM2K2 to be honest after the PSG game I stopped 😢 crying

[@Nutsarooba]

@AM2K2 the pen was a subjective decision too bud! Did it or did it not hit his arm? The answer is yes! Penalty then, simples

[@leeholden8658]

I was all for VAR at the start, mainly because of that super strike by Frank Lampard for England in the World Cup (think it was against Germany) that wasn’t given when the ball clearly crossed the line before bouncing back into play and the goal wasn’t given. Currently VAR needs a overhaul

[@daviebananas1735]

That didn’t even need VAR. goal line technology which came in a few years before it solved that issue. Bin VAR.

[@aotea6983]

Question for you all. With the issues around the handball rule when in the box, is there an argument for awarding indirect free kicks instead of a penalty under certain circumstances as the punishment of a penalty is hugely disproportionate to the offence when it didnt deny a goalscoring opportunity

[@bantamNeil12]

Great question fairplay 👏🏻👏🏻

[@aotea6983]

@Jay-th6ep true, but its inevitable that there will be subjective areas where we all disagree regardless of the rules or set up, but an increase in fairness is certainly possible

[@toweliechaos]

can't remember the last time I saw an indirect free-kick in the box. Used to happen quite a bit but seems to have vanished. Absolutely I've always thought an act that denies a GSO should be a penalty but an act that in no obvious way denies a GSO (e.g. the ludicrous handball here or when an attacker is facing the sidelines at the edge of the 18 yard area and is touched and goes down) should just be an indirect free kick.

[@aotea6983]

@toweliechaos the added bonus is an indirect freekick 8 yards out is so entertaining to watch!!

[@bevanrafferty3116]

As with the 2008 ecomnomic crash, the banks were deemed "Too Big to Fail", Clubs these days are too big to fail? VARS help this................

[@Krothu]

That Var mistake was still not worse than the Diaz goal vs Tottenham

[@shaamsiyat7482]

For me, I think every league should have an independent VAR different from the VAR and maybe correct them whenever they make clear error decisions because u can't be taking apologies on such crucial matches!!!

[@DavidWilson-kr5gt]

Wage caps and contract details are open to the public in the US. You can find out every player contract details for all the big sports NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL & MLS. So no point in trying to hide it as any fan who wants to know can easily find out. Also they pay far more than the Premier League so US English should stop using them as some kind of bench mark…none would make it in the top earners in England either.

[@TheKingOfBeans]

Michah dressed like the man from del monte 😅 🍍

[@BetmmaTipsUFC]

Can't wait to hear what the man from Del Monte thinks about sin bins.

[@finleypaul4520]

Think a solution to the league cup problem would be making premier league teams only allowed to play 3 players over 23. Or something like that. Therefore becomes about younger talents and gives EFL clubs more of a chance of winning it. Not a perfect solution but better that what it is now.

[@davstutts]

Handball is always gona be a subjective decision. Give the officials the power to make the subjective decision on intentionality and natural positioning Surely a proposal like this would help it immeasurably: Handball rule: ->Is the arming/handling of ball deemed intentional (probably 1% of cases) - if Yes - pen - If No -> Pen only given: If arming/handling contact occurs during what is deemed by the officials an unnatural movement / shape taken by the alleged offender (ie. Something deemed an unnatural athletic position for the demands of the game - running, jumping, protecting, slide tackling etc)

[@angrydoc4769]

Micah is a human Starburst

[@samuelmorales2033]

i love the VAR squared idea from Gary but that VAR higher panel should be made up of ex-players

[@Funkyboozer]

Disgusting! The officials need to be investigated.

[@oitoitoi1]

they weren't, which is why they've been stood down.@@Do27gg

[@oitoitoi1]

lol the officials themselves knew they'd made a howler. @@Do27gg

[@oitoitoi1]

uefa literally told shearer this the day after. you're the one who can't get his facts right or understand an independent panel (and the whole football world apart from plastic arsenal "fans") that the arsenal decision was correct. @@Do27gg

[@edwardsricardo6429]

Gary am a big fan of your podcast, with 2 partners

[@seanohalloran]

when will people investigate VAR and match fixing / betting, Somebody probably made alot of money off the back of that decision.

[@Nutsarooba]

Ooohhh it's corruption now is it?!?! Take your pill boys! Swings and roundabouts!!

[@atikurrahman9304]

The VAR refs should just be silent when calling the ref across. No freezing on the point of contact bollocks and just play it from the start. Only get involved when the ref asks for it to be played forward or backwards.

[@juniorclos1007]

I’m thinking psg president had something to do with it. Ref didn’t mind taking the pay and some vacation

[@The_Judge300]

They should totally change the handball rules to make it all so much easier. If it is clear that the player means to stop the ball with his/her hand/arm, it should be ruled a handball. If a hand/arm stops the ball going into the goal apart from the goalkeeper, it should be ruled a handball. And there should always be an ex player in the VAR room to advice the referees about what is natural or not and what is meant to be done or not.

[@Nutsarooba]

Oh you want handball changed just because it didn't benefit you lot! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@AlanBrownPhotography]

Var should change so that the ref requests help ONLY if unsure of incidents, with everyone accepting that there will be times that the ref is not correct.

[@U.S.Outpost31]

Quite clearly shouldn’t have been a penalty, which makes Shearer’s (and the wider NUFC related) anger all the more enjoyable. It’s infuriating when referees screw you over, isn’t it? Beautiful! 😂

[@ronnyron4681]

Give the chances to Graham Potter or Eddie Howe cos they are the most experience English manager. Joachim Loew was given a lot of chances by the German Fa before finally won the World cup in 2014.

[@TrevorCoe-zw8fo]

Will.l.am voice has changed, I never new he so much about soccer 😂

[@gl1363]

When var made the mistake of allowing liverpool's perfect legitimate goal to be ruled out against spurs and liverpool protested in a statement, people was saying its normal for mistakes to happen on the field. I guess it hits different if your club is on the receiving end. 😂

[@nottodaybro12]

Micah's outfit is unreal I know he has fun out in US

[@guywhitlock4651]

I'm not sure sin bins are the answer to the problem of professional fouls, but I would like them to do something about it. In that example of the Cup Final given, I think the punishment for a foul like that effectively gives teams at least 4 opportunities to stop a really strong goalscoring position from being created, as you do have to be more careful once on a yellow but for me the freedom to outright and actively cheat a few times first is something I've never liked.

[@bekzimoto7620]

Great podcast ! Claudio Ranieri led Leicester City to win the premiership, Then they humiliate him and fire him. When they get relegated I said, what goes around comes around. Your thoughts Gary?

[@hklee5162]

At the rate they are going, maybe the solution is to have VAR 2.0, to assist the VAR 1.0. Something equal to the Ciurt of Appeal. Then set up a VAR Supreme to assist the VAR 2.0. The VAR Supreme has the powers to change the Final Full Time score.

[@pruney84]

BTW Contracts in the NFL are not guaranteed, signing a 140 milion dollars deal, doesn't necessarly mean you are going to get it

[@davidsilva-qj1xe]

Love wacthing the pod! Question: What is something from the actual game that you wished existed in your playing time? Wish you the best, shouout from Portugal.

[@TomKayy2]

They need to get Gazza on as a guest

[@budweizer100]

League Cup: why not just drop the teams who are playing in Europe (UCL and Europa)

[@everybodyhatesharlesden2589]

Hi guys great show the streets love it could you speak a little more about the Americanisation of our game pls keep up the the work and Big Meeks stay up 👊🏾

[@JAILEDforMEMES]

Working with national team is different to the club, so Pep could struggle with time to put his philosophy into players head.

[@Ryan-if7ny]

If I was Uefa, I'd be investigating the people involved. Check bank balances etc. They were paid off. You can't have 'World class' officials getting it wrong and then apologising. It's horrendous.

[@Nutsarooba]

The hypocrisy is next level!!

[@iRoppa]

If player behaviour was better, we wouldn’t even be talking about sin bins. Managers, coaches, agents, friends and family, get a hold of these players and give them a damn good shake. Start behaving like grown men!

[@jonminson5770]

Wouldn't it make sense to make VAR work properly before trying to bring extra options like sin-bins? Can you imagine VAR trying to get that right as well?!?!

[@xavisanchez7522]

Change it all and set up a technology like they do in rugby, every ref decision has to be known by the audience

[@jordantinkler2334]

I think if you're playing in europe of any kind (CL, EL & ECL) then you don't need to compete in the league cup. It'll stop the game congestion that the big clubs complain about & it'll give a another team who doesn't win trophies a good chance to win one.

[@toweliechaos]

that's an excellent shout

[@doughall8306]

Another great show. Get rid of VAR. Too many errors and adding on too much time. It has to go.

[@eugenehapp452]

Micah living his best life

[@spikearnott]

Thank goodness it was only Newcastle Alan! .... don't hang me I'm joking!

[@kristoferhailes4627]

I bet the problem is that VAR officials will basically be saying behind closed doors that if the referees don’t take their advice in game and the decision comes under scrutiny they won’t back them. It’s how pathetic I feel their egos can be

[@Nutsarooba]

How ironic this is 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Ghost-tx4ft]

PEP is a genius when it comes to managing the top top teams of each league. i dont see pep winning a UCL with Porto ever.

[@markoradulovic3307]

He still manages to get the best out of players even if they are top quality fotballers its not a garantee they would perform at their best... there is no denying Pep is one of the best managers in fotball, that coming from a Man U fan... gotta give credit where credit is due

[@shealey9763]

There shouldn't have been a 98th minute, let alone a penalty. Bet the air was just as blue here as it was in Al's room Tuesday night. Appalling refereeing and officiating. To be honest it's even worse given the fact that UEFA agree it was awful - although not publicly of course.

[@Cynorkis]

I find EFL cup weekends just as depressing as the international break. Genuinely have no care for it at all

[@blackmagicmma]

It's funny because, had the referee given a penalty to begin with, the VAR probably would have still sent him to the monitor. He then would have most likely turned his decision over and cancelled the penalty.

[@NickDusting]

It feels like VAR is no longer being used for the purpose it was introduced for - its being used to scrutinise everything not point out howlers. Perhaps the way forward is to limit its use to the most common obvious mistake - off-side - and leave the rest to the referee on the pitch?

[@jonminson5770]

I'm seriously beginning to wonder if there is some sort of betting syndicate happening here