How High Is Marvin Bagley III’s Ceiling? | Rookie Midterms | The Ringer

In Part 4 of our series on the loaded 2018 NBA draft, J. Kyle Mann takes a look at Sacramento Kings big man Marvin Bagley III, who has already cemented himself as one of the better putback scorers in the league.
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[@MrClarkkkent13]

this is a really well constructed piece. you, my friend, deserve more recognition. keep up the good work.

[@OwnFall420]

Dime Drop is the best basketball content creator on KZbin

[@nickgreen9080]

Ayton, Bagley, Luka, JJJ and Trae May become one the best top 5s ever

[@joshuabarr9262]

Almost definitely

[@patricija4179]

@Jordan S hahahaha

[@patricija4179]

I was gonna jump on you because i read "THE BEST TOP 5"

[@Chuckwagon1515]

Jordan S Ayton is fantastic

[@Ashish-xm9ol]

Best ever clearly Lebron,Wade,Bosh,Melo and Zaza

[@thebigwagyu]

Before MPJ got injured, this draft had like four guys who you could debate going first. This draft was loaded at the top and history will only look even more fondly on it as the years pass.

[@NotOneToFly]

If MPJ heals up right, this draft may go down as the biggest power shifting draft in modern NBA history.

[@thebigwagyu]

There really isn’t a bust in the top ten. Mo is raw, and he got hurt, but he was a defensive presence when he was on the court.

[@renzocabarco472]

From the future and I have to say still accurate. They getting hella bags.

[@CrazyKonaKai]

Starting Bagley out the gate next year is key to the Kings breaking 45 wins, here's hoping they don't overpay cauley-stein

[@nickgreen9080]

Kona Kai they should target Demarcus cousins, he’d look good in a Kings jersey

[@CrazyKonaKai]

@@nickgreen9080 hello 911? please come pick me up i'm scared

[@meredithleavitt5815]

Hell start whether wcs is back or not

[@CrazyKonaKai]

@@meredithleavitt5815 totally! But getting WCS out of the picture will open up Giles and Bagley being the staple bigs

[@meredithleavitt5815]

@@CrazyKonaKai there the staple bugs anyway. Joerger already said bagley fox and Giles are the core. Buddy is 7, 8 years older than those guys

[@siddharthbhaskara5924]

When MB3 was at Duke, his life was literally class and basketball. He’s crazy committed to getting better

[@jeffotte6672]

what is your source for this?

[@siddharthbhaskara5924]

Current Duke senior who never once heard of or saw Bagley at the off-campus bars in the year he was here.

[@Time_Lapse_Master.]

@@siddharthbhaskara5924 Damn how'd that go?

[@siddharthbhaskara5924]

You got me man lol, dude’s a generational draft mistake

[@Time_Lapse_Master.]

@@siddharthbhaskara5924 Was he really that hyped 5 years ago? In hindsight he never really made much sense over the Euroleague MVP

[@lajohnjackson1935]

15 and 8 in 25 min for a raw rookie, his work ethic is underrated. Will become a superstar, he’s also weak his body will be different year 4 and I feel confident saying that because of his work ethic. Look at Giannis

[@zachwayt3874]

😂

[@DownTownnnnn]

One of the best, most professional breakdowns on a player that I've seen. Great work! I was at draft night and was stoked we got Bagley! This guy is gonna be a Superstar!!! Blessed Bagley

[@ishaansingh5813]

in hindsight, luka a 1st team all nba, mvp level player in his second season....

[@exqusi]

7:52 Luka is just that🤷🏻‍♂️

[@aric.4480]

Lmao exactly how it ended up

[@curtdover1936]

My kings actually getting love for once? Is this a dream?!?! :)

[@LG-qm9zp]

I need the full version of "Who is Kicking Themselves"...A true banger

[@PsychItsMike]

You get my like for the In-N-Out reference. Good job Ringer people lol

[@talhaumar8499]

In transition he seems more quick than most 6'11 big men, his lateral quickness and the ability to leap towards 2nd chance opp. already gives him a good start to become a great player. His decision making and BBIQ on both sides are symptoms most rookies tend to experience, so ironing out those problems won't be an issue.

[@benhaney5843]

Luka does seem to be THAT good though. That conversation has already come up and been mostly decided. Luna is already a MVP level guy.

[@t4d0W]

Ssshhh don't remind those Suns and Kings fans. They are never gonna hear the end of it when they keep seeing in media that Doncic can get his team in the playoffs. Meanwhile Suns/Kings got their own bunk ass bigs trying to post up and not do PnRs/DHOs and succeed in this modern NBA. Good luck with them at that point.

[@janpeter6447]

That part about drafting Luka only being worth it if he’s a sure 1st team all NBA MVP caliber player got answered quicker than most of us thought I guess. I wonder what Kyle Man would say now about 1 year after that video about that whole topic. Marvin missed a lot of games and thus didn’t quite fulfill his promise. Meanwhile Luka played some significant ball in Dallas. Additionally someone like jaren jackson over in Memphis who was drafted right after Bagley also seems to outperform him and having him, in contrast to luka and trey would not intersect with Sacramento having Fox as their ballhandler

[@ToxicRice12]

This is pretty spot on. The kings are gonna be must see tv next year. Fox is a future superstar and bagley will be a stud

[@ralphmaginto3086]

And Luca will be phenomenal and once in a lifetime generational talent. What a pity.

[@shabazz360]

Bagley is looking like a future perennial all star talent wise.

[@parsevaldepalma7211]

these are such good quality underrated channel for sure it’ll get big soon that’s a fact

[@mrazcatazz]

You should also check out J Kyle Mann's other vids on his KZbin channel, The Dime Drop :)

[@rossjn9885]

I believe Marvin is an MVP level talent. Offensively, he’s Anthony Davis with a sturdier body. I see him taking leaps and bounds if he continues to work hard. Fringe all-star next season and All-NBA potentially by year 3.

[@Wade9089]

Jordan S lmfao imagine how stupid this guy feels right about neo

[@Wade9089]

Now*

[@allenxavier6073]

what now?

[@SchulzEricT]

Is he a future superstar? (Nope.) Or is he a bum that needs to go? (Yup. That one.)

[@SchulzEricT]

"Some guys have a menu like the Cheesecake Factory; Bagley's is more like In--Out Burger" is the most Bill Simmons thing I've ever heard somebody who wasn't Bill Simmons say.

[@karl-erik4875]

the vibe of this video is perfect

[@TheKnicks2012]

Talk about Mitchell Robinson. Has an interesting backstory which made him a 2nd round pick. Also a 5 who can jump out the gym, guard the perimeter, is a blocking Messiah, and plays under 20 minutes.

[@kylemarco6547]

yeah take Bagley over Luka that's a smart choice

[@elroc1]

I love this series. This is the kind of content that makes The Ringer so great 👍👍

[@Niner4Life707]

MVP in 4 years. 👍

[@Pau1danelli]

Anyone else coming back to these videos two years later just because his voice super relaxing?

[@crackerjack9320]

Excellent point on not taking Luka. If bagley improves as much as fox did in the off season...look out!

[@t4d0W]

Look out! Luka got his Mavs gang fighting for the 6th spot while the Kings young talents can't even get them to 30 wins. But that Bogdan Bogdanovic gon look good wearing another jersey for a playoff team looking for his shooting and playmaking.

[@ralphmaginto3086]

And lucky Mavs move up to third and take Doncic, My condolences to Kings.

[@seunbamgbose1277]

I love your style, you make really great Content

[@jamesharrison1579]

This is an amazing video! Great work

[@Aaron-nm1ob]

Love his game! Not joking about tying his hand behind his back. Boozer did that & it gave him offensive ambidexterity!

[@meredithleavitt5815]

Hes been usi g his right hand. Obv the fat fucks at the ringer dont watch too many games lol

[@alansmith888]

Siakam? Are you fucking high? Bagley's ceiling is about 100x higher than that. When its all said and done he will be a multiple all-star. He is super talented and all he needs to do is work on a jumpshot/3 point shot and he would be unguardable. He is only 19-20 years old. Siakam wishes he had half the talent that Bagley has.

[@movementman9777]

Do Wendell Carter even though he’s missed the last 40 games but nobody talked about him all season.

[@michaelsledge3904]

😂😂😂😂😂 whos here after ummmm lol

[@αδωνιςφωτακιδης]

Marv didn’t develop as well as hoped

[@kingsfansneak1886]

I don't know why the per 36 #s were not used for Bagley. Or how every game he just kept getting better and better. His Summer League was a disaster a part from the first quarter in the Summer Classic. He has grown so much sense his debut. He truly wasn't ready for the NBA game 1. Now he is a franchise player. Free throw attempts usually tell that story.

[@meredithleavitt5815]

Did this dude just say above average fluidity and speed for his size? Hes literally the fastest big in the nba wtf kind of understatement is this shit?

[@nosrellom]

lol at Cauley-Stein trying to out-muscle Adams at 8:33

[@zigzag44444]

He will be a star for Sacramento forsure! Has so much potential! All they really need is that one star to completely break out into allstar form. If him and fox and heild all show up next year and almost all 3 average 20 a game they will be a good playoff team.

[@michaelsledge3904]

😂😂😂

[@wondonkb]

Do Shai Gilgeous-Alexander he one of my fav rookies

[@dabrab6324]

Marvin looks like hel be great but man hes a ball hog...if he can learn when its a better option to pass rather than shoot a contested shot..hel be an instant all star.

[@robs5794]

music choices are prime in these vids, need the links to the full tracks if available!

[@joeyh31]

My favorite series. Dime drop is the fucking man.

[@bengliedman8427]

This guy has his own channel @the dime drop

[@8072-n1m]

I love the dime drop

[@ozdog206]

Definitely the next K.D 2.0. Young man has faith in God and great family support and heart. Think he is 20 with all star ability. He will continually develop. Definitely. God bless the Bag family.

[@hoodoolem]

I was hoping you’d do Ayton comparison and ask if the Suns are kicking themselves looking at how the kings have played this season.

[@Knowledgebaby1]

I was wondering that myself but I don't know if even the lowly suns would be kicking themselves over this one. While DA may never be Shaq he is still a pretty good scoring big. If they can draft a defense PF they may be ok.

[@meredithleavitt5815]

They are. Bagley shits all over them everytime they play lol

[@rossjn9885]

Bagley reminds me of Anthony Davis with a more sturdy frame but not as long. He can have a similar impact due to his motor, I would say somewhere between a Pascal Siakim game and AD level takeover capabilities. He has a rare magnetism that defenses are forced to collectively draw attention to him because of his abilities. His jump-shot, post game, slashing, and transition offer a rare combination of offensive prowess only seen in the likes of greats in the NBA like AD, LeBron, Giannis, Embiid. He could end up the Sacramento Kings’ first or second best player by the end of the season next year.

[@charles_miner]

Adding Dime Drop is the move to make. I don't watch anything else Ringer produces

[@juanmanuelcaso5047]

2018 will be a better draft class than 2019

[@notaseal7864]

Sacramento is a future title challenger/ Winner. That is however if the Management doesn't fuck it up.

[@sffan10]

Marvin Bagley is more talented than Pascal Siakam? Interesting.

[@zzcc229]

He is though

[@sffan10]

Zz cc how do you figure that? Pascal is an all star starter. Bagley isn’t a kings starter

[@zzcc229]

@@sffan10 Bagley is literally 21..Pascal was 23 years old when he played his first nba game..it takes time for the big guys to flourish in the NBA..Pascal didn't became a starter right away..Bagley has higher basketball ball iq,his ability to position himself for rebounds is crazy,he is a cake that isn't fully baked yet Pascal is in his prime now..you can't compare a finishing product to a developing one..but defensively Bagley will never reach Pascal's level..but he's athletic and gives effort,has good work ethic I'm very confident at him...Pascal is a crazy hard worker too though

[@sffan10]

@@zzcc229 I get that they are at different stages in their careers, but in my opinion Siakam is better now than Bagley will be at any stage in his career. I just don't see him becoming an all star level player therefore I think Pascal is a more talented player.

[@slowswitch144p]

Looking back luka or trey would of been a way better pick who would pick fox over luka or trey young

[@rellik99]

Can we get one on Mitchell Robinson

[@moesty]

evan deyoung facts, his potential is outta this world

[@EDTheOneable]

Facts. He's a monster big man should of been a top 10 pick and definitely better than Ayton and Bamba already.

[@ricardiocavalia31]

Please do Jaren Jackson Jr. next, then Wendell Carter Jr.

[@benhaney5843]

Damn those clips of him going to his right were just atrocious. He totally freaked out and didn't know what to do. Your in the NBA now. Time to put in the hours.

[@djgutic]

Marvins ceiling? GRAMMY!!! :D

[@OfficalAlexPlays]

Dude is barely 20 years old. He is going to be an all star essy. His speed and quickness is ridiculous for being 6"11. He doesn't move like a typical 6'11 player. His bb IQ is only going to improve at his young age. Plus he plays with a competitive chip on his shoulder. The Kings fired thier coach today. With guys like Fox Buddy Giles and Bagley on the roster potential coaches have to be salivating for that job.

[@PsyCyPsy]

Jaren jackson or miles bridges next?

[@Cheznator]

You hit the nail on the head with "who's kicking themselves" people need to realise that fox's maturation and growth into the blossoming superstar he is now wouldn't be possible with Luka's ball dominance and slower play style, they're both possible franchise goats and MVPs and bagley perfectly compliments fox while porzingus does the same for doncic

[@njstuckey]

Came here to say this. Even with Doncic exceeding expectations, picking Bagley was the right call. It shows that the organization gets it. I think that, as much as teams want to stockpile overall talent and just "make it work" that's not a way to build a team for the long haul. The next few years are gonna be so exciting for Mavs, Kings, and Hawks fans. I don't know about Suns, sorry Ayton :(

[@meredithleavitt5815]

Fuck that. Even if the kings didnt have fox bagley is the better prospect. Period

[@meredithleavitt5815]

@@njstuckey did 42 pct fg and 32 pct 3s and the worst defense in the nba really exceed ur expectations for a rookie who's really in his 5th pro season? Wow, u must've had pretty lo expectations lol

[@njstuckey]

@@meredithleavitt5815 you need professional help if you think Bagley is the better prospect than Doncic.

[@meredithleavitt5815]

@@njstuckey really? Lol Bagley projects to drop 25 n 12 next season I guaruntee luka fat kid never comes close to those numbers in his entire career

[@daniellee8705]

i really hope you guys do a video for mitchell robinson!

[@dmatt5017]

Draft was soooo deep. Genuinely Insane

[@cbass2667]

You guys should do a rookie midterm on Harry Giles.

[@charliemann8509]

Do a Harry Giles video

[@shaulyehudah29]

That 360 oop is my favorite in game dunk this year.

[@Jerremyyy]

Mitchell Robinson next please!

[@Billy0317]

Are they doing to do more of these?

[@deandrepage1048]

Sacramento Kings fucked up. 😭😭 Doncic could have co-existed with Fox. Basically they didn't have enough confidence in De'Aaron Fox to hold his own as a teammate of Doncic & needed to water down the competition between teammates.

[@bookaufman9643]

At first I didn't realize that this was a three year old video. It kind of sucks that Bagley had such a good start and if you look at his numbers over the past 4 years they're almost exactly the same every year. He's a 14 pts and seven rebound guy. But there is a bright side to all of this. Number one is he still plays anywhere from 23 to 26 minutes so his numbers are actually pretty good if you stretch them out to 38 minutes or something like that. I believe that's what one of your star players will probably play. The other good thing and this is the best thing by far is that his shooting percentages have become much better last year. And 2022 or the 2021 2022 season he it at 55%, which was many points higher than any previous year. So it's taken several years for Bagley to change his numbers in any way for the better but even though the numbers look the same last year he did it on much higher efficiency and so he may be moving towards being an above average or even good big man. Maybe a top seven or eight big man in the league but he's not quite there yet. I'm writing this in September of 2022 so let's see how next season goes?

[@gullintanni]

Marvin is nice, but I's rather have a wing with Fox, Bogdan, Luka and Hield than a big that can't pass, shoot 3's or defend. Big men interior scorers and rebounders are nice, if they can make it hell on the opposing team defensively as well. A saving grace is that Giles is an excellent passer, so he can be used to facilitate the offense. Kings fans better pray for his good health, cause they will need him now that WCS is gone.

[@Jordymonn]

Do Ayton again plz

[@deadcorpert619]

this channel hates the cavs, so i would be scared to ask for a collin sexton one

[@goldsilverandiamonds]

Dude's only 19 he'll be a 10 to13 year all-star. Freakishly athletic, great work ethic, willingness to learn from others, teachable, better defender than people thought and getting better, developing three point shot, not afraid to rebound, good low post game, good passer and getting better. Young with plenty of time to get better. Potential to seriously average 30 pts 15 rebs a game. He will be considered the top draft pick of 2018 when all is said and done.

[@jackviglianco6907]

It will probably be lost in the comments and, but could you eventually get to Collin Sexton?

[@FilmSwitch]

Always great player breakdowns that let just the right amount of personality shine through. Can’t wait for the next!

[@DrewTaylor55]

Not really a midterm but okay

[@JordTMata]

lol why did you use a picture of the London bridge for Sacramento

[@shanefrederick7731]

The Kings should be good if they stay healthy and Marvin develops. Fox is an All-Star. Buddy is one of the best 3 point shooters in the NBA Barnes is a capable 3rd/4th banana Bjelica is a solid stretch 4 that sometimes shoots nearly 40% from 3. Bagley is 20-10 waiting to happen.

[@benhaney5843]

Wing span is so important. Even just playing a pick up game I've said to myself, "I think I'm better than this guy. Why does it seem like hes beating me at the rim every time? He's not even taller than me." Then... "Oh. His fucking arms are so god damn long..."

[@benhaney5843]

He compensates with that running hook I suppose. Still, if I was a GM I'd really value a long wingspan in my players.

[@loganadams369]

Collin Sexton better be up next

[@tonilando]

How good is the 2018 draft class, potential and ability through out the 1st and 2nd round picks, the first 5 are all currently good to great nba players and even further back bamba, mpj, Robinson, brunson to name some have potential

[@Blairskirock]

"basket of tip-ins" Nice

[@wasp3192]

His ceiling might actually be the highest. He can literally do anything on the court

[@SanFranFan30]

I hate how they did Skal Labissiere dirty

[@firstnamelastname-up6ni]

I make an appearance at 9:18

[@Cityoftrees1911]

He'll be the starting C next season and show out.

[@meredithleavitt5815]

Him and Giles will b interchangeable at the 4 n 5

[@jacobarnold9300]

Great video, pretty spot on.. we are going to be a scary looking playoff team next year.. 2020 is the year!!

[@iillestrs2153]

Bagely has the softest touch around the rim, this kid should have been a freshman in college last year! Scary potential this kid has

[@aaronyaish9545]

Make one on mitchell robinson

[@lucasfishman5936]

Total stats really can’t apply to Marvin Bagley because of the high amount of games he missed this season

[@StevenSilva916]

8:30 thought the guy in the back almost fell into a black hole haha

[@kadenharris3718]

Did he just predict the current nba in his worst case scenario

[@AR-io8fv]

This class is fucking stacked but I think next year’s draft is only about Zion and otherwise you should trade down

[@jackabah4279]

“In the third percentile...THAT’S REALLY LOW”

[@nzserbian]

He’s the next Chris Bosh

[@dylankeoni2822]

Can you do Jaren Jackson Jr.?

[@brandonliau2923]

That in n out graphic was incredible, love your videos man

[@adamholbrook9575]

Very well made video. Subscription earned.

[@ankletaker2729]

Literally Chris Bosh 2.0

[@meredithleavitt5815]

Hes much much more athelwtic than bosh

[@omritu]

Can we get a full version of "who is kicking themselves"?

[@solidkingcobra]

is there a Harry Giles one? because technically it's his rookie year too.