Thermal Grizzly Secure Frame Vs Thermalright Secure Frame AM5 CPU's

[@tpbriplahey7384]

Thermal grizzle instructions say the foam inlay is necessary only when using Liquid Metal, will not help if you’re using thermal paste ?

[@WELSHYTECH]

You don't have to use it but if your using thermal metal then yes, but I used it anyway

[@GebaseerdeKikker]

You should compare clock speeds instead of thermals, both platforms nowadays opportunistically boost until they reach TjMax. That's why the charts look so similar.

[@WELSHYTECH]

I'm comparing thermals, not clock speeds. If the thermals are under control, they mean you will get the best performance

[@Sheltada]

@@WELSHYTECH that's the thing. With 7000 series ryzens, they will boost to the exact same temperature regardless of cooling, every single time. The difference will be in the clock speed, not the thermals.

[@ForzaE2]

Thank you for the test and video.

[@WELSHYTECH]

no problem

[@AgentMoler]

I think it depends on the board. I replaced the bracket with the Thermalright one and it did take down my idle temp in the bios by 4-7C. Windows idle temp is down about 2C but I suspect that if I did a fresh reinstall, it might take it down more.

[@WELSHYTECH]

Nope, it doesn't. These do not help AM5 in any way unless you are watercooling custom loop it might help with thermals

[@TCPUDPATM]

Saved me from buying this. Thanks!

[@WELSHYTECH]

No problem happy I helped ☺️

[@kuzzzzzzzzzzzz7511]

Ty for the videooo!!!

[@WELSHYTECH]

You are most welcome

[@cactoosdh0]

Happy ThermalRight usser here, £8 uk vs £19... seeing this video , i can tell you no point to pay over double the price, and in my opinion red TR looks just amazing.... simply paying for the brand in case of TG

[@WELSHYTECH]

@@cactoosdh0 nope and I agree with you

[@dutyofcall7659]

How did you cool your amd 7900 to 34 degrees in idle, mine is around 45-55 degrees using the Dark Rock Elite + Arctic MX-6 thermal paste.

[@WELSHYTECH]

I had nothing running in the background even rgb software will still be a load on the cpu to make it spike point of doing for thermals is to let the cpu idle without any background software

[@66racer]

Was hoping for an improvement but seems this is just a fun add on rather than functional.

[@WELSHYTECH]

yep its intel where the secure frame really makes a difference

[@keithmyers2170]

It is functional in the sense it keeps thermal paste off the substrate cutouts and SMD's

[@GanymedeXD]

Of course its functional … it is supposed to offer a more even pressure distribution … and hence a reduction in pressure related errors … the additional guard prevents thermal paste messes. Its not made to have an effect on temperature.

[@GanymedeXD]

@@keithmyers2170Its not at all made for this … the optional additional silicone guard is!

[@AlaskanGamerGuy]

I think you should try the frame with conductonaut extreme since the seal will prevent you from frying the CPU.

[@WELSHYTECH]

Or you could buy Noctuas AM5 guard

[@AlaskanGamerGuy]

@@WELSHYTECH I was not aware of that product, but yes, that's a valid option.

[@WELSHYTECH]

@@AlaskanGamerGuy Yes I've made a video on the AM5 Guard

[@AlaskanGamerGuy]

@WELSHYTECH my thermal grizzly contact sealling frame just came in yesterday. I already have conductonaut extreme on hand since I always use it on my laptops, and my new mobo comes in today so we'll see how things go. My 7800X3D is already gertting 18K on cinebench R23. I already have around 25-30 degrees with kryonaut extreme, so I guess I'll find out later today if it can make a significant difference.

[@WELSHYTECH]

@@AlaskanGamerGuy it won't even Thermal Grizzly has said it doesn't make any difference in thermals

[@unknown4mat584]

both are great but im a grizzly fan

[@WELSHYTECH]

I prefer the thermal grizzly also

[@EliPorterMahn]

I dont need to watch a video to know that theyrr both pieces of machined aluminum, they will not function fundamentally different

[@WELSHYTECH]

OK

[@samm928]

What cooler fan did he used and what were the thermals without the aluminum fitting ?

[@WELSHYTECH]

@samm928 if you watch the video I put right at the beginning and during the benchmarks i also say what cooler and give the thermals for stock retention

[@samm928]

@WELSHYTECH right now I'm testing in open air with 7950x3d on a B650i aura ultra from Gigabyte and no GPU. The cooler height+fan cannot exceed 45mm. I tried the Noctua 37mm, 470grams with two heat pipes and an ID cooler 45mm, 317grams with 4 heat pipes and still reaching 94deg.c .. normally 57deg.c when idle .. under stress, when installing a game it goes to 93 - 94c and it shuts off .. my zs-a4s all aluminum case will get even hotter.

[@WELSHYTECH]

@@samm928 only thing I can suggest with the 7950x3d is under volt it but 94c is normal for AM5 Chips

[@samm928]

@WELSHYTECH Yes you'reright, there is a ECO setting in Ryzen Master tool that will limit the power to 80w (0.975v - 0.985v core) and stable clock speed of 4800mhz and then the Temps are around 87deg.C .. I ordered a Thermalright all copper Apx90x47 should have a THD of 140watts. If not, I'll get a larger ITX case.

[@samm928]

What's interesting is that AMD is okay with the 7950x running at 95deg.C, but the 7950x3d shuts down or blue screens between 92-94deg.C to protect the L3 V-cache.

[@bufalong]

if it work it work

[@WELSHYTECH]

Yep

[@WeAreMovieMakers]

You should get some lights for your video.

[@WELSHYTECH]

I have got lights on it was night time when I filmed it

[@TheRanchev]

Good video but you can make more efford on the quality. I mean clean the f**king termal paste from every part you take a picture of and supposedly take out of the box. It is clear that you first tried to speak, but still a little more effort. Otherwise, thanks for the video and thumbs up.

[@WELSHYTECH]

Thanks for the comment

[@pcastillo2nd718]

I've been looking for a video like this forever. What do you think of using that with a KryoSheet?

[@WELSHYTECH]

Actually, it would be better as the Kryosheet is highly conductive, so the Frame would hold as a barrier between both

[@TheMetalmachine467]

waste of money all scores were the same it works on intel because of the ihs bending with stock hold down

[@WELSHYTECH]

Well I wouldn't say it's a waste it does help with cleaning thermal paste but that's it

[@GanymedeXD]

You make zero sense … its for even pressure distribution and the optional silicon guard a thermal paste guard. Its not made to optimise cooling.

[@Arthur01694]

what happens when it doesent include the 4 screws? can I use the 4 that came with the motherboard?

[@WELSHYTECH]

Nope if it doesn't include the 4 screws I'd buy another secure frame

[@GanymedeXD]

Your set is not complete so why keeping it?

[@badlilstang]

Intel version the thermalright actually cooled better than thermal grizzly and its far easier to install and far cheaper.

[@WELSHYTECH]

It's because intel actually has an issue, whereas AM5 doesn't

[@zeroxception]

basically pointless...as its trying to solve an issue that only occurs on intel

[@WELSHYTECH]

Yes

[@richardhampton3260]

No you are wrong. Those using thermal pads it's a good idea to have the plate due to the protection it offers the outer transistors from the pads high conductivity

[@WELSHYTECH]

@@richardhampton3260 one not everyone will use a thermal pad while using a secure frame two I am not wrong because the secure frames do nothing for thermals it only protects from thermal paste go over on the transistors if you bothered to watch the video I do mention it

[@chilledgamez3659]

@@WELSHYTECH it doesn't do anything for thermals but pretty sure the thermal grizzly one is meant to protect the cpu when using liquid metal with the foam gasket

[@vajraentite133]

I use ptm7950 and really needed a flat bed so I used the thermalright frame.

[@garysmith8.7587]

Hi Quick question on my thermal grizzly plate it says in the intructions that the silicon frame is only for use when liquid metal is used for cooling to protect the transistors is that correct? And do i use the pad or not as i'm just using paste

[@WELSHYTECH]

I used it in the video it won't harm anything if you use and as for liquid metal I've never tested or tried it so I'm not sure

[@GanymedeXD]

Thats false … thats not what Thermal Grizzly says … you must read it properly … they clearly state that the silicon guard is optional, but offers useful thermal paste protection … it must be used if liquid metal is used for cooling.

[@TR0N1X70]

erm.....you do know that these frames are for anti flex/twist of the CPU not thermal differences! AM5 retention system is not the best therefore these items now exist! also same with INTEL it just holds the CPU without bending them.

[@WELSHYTECH]

You do realise that AM5 has a better retention than intel and also doesn't suffer with issues

[@xXxImmortalXGamerxXx]

That’s why the heat spreader is so think. If you want better thermals you’ll have to go direct die cooling or just deal with thermal throttle a 7950x3d

[@xXxImmortalXGamerxXx]

Then that would make that make sense with those brackets

[@WELSHYTECH]

@@xXxImmortalXGamerxXx exactly

[@xXxImmortalXGamerxXx]

@@WELSHYTECHI plan to do direct die when my warranty ends but until then and has a great warranty and no need to void that for better speeds that work make much of a difference.

[@alen7492]

Ty for the video!

[@WELSHYTECH]

No problem at all

[@WhatWhiteMenSay]

4 points of contact better than 2

[@WELSHYTECH]

Yes but makes no difference

[@WhatWhiteMenSay]

@@WELSHYTECH I'm actually seeing a 15c temp drop on the ryzen 7 7800x3d