THERMAREST NEOAIR XTHERM | THE TRUTH | 1YEAR REVIEW

After using the Thermarest Neoair Xtherm for a year now I thought it was time for a review. The Xtherm is a four season sleeping pad that is both loved and hated. In the review I give you the truth about Neoair Xtherm.
There is a lot of reviews on Neoair Xtherm, many of them are talking about the noise and focus on what is bad about the pad...the truth is it is a great pad for all 4 seasons. I have nothing to complain about after using it for a year now and one of my favorite pieces of gear.
I do recommend going for the Large version due to the width, but if weight is the most important the regular will do the job just as good regarding insulation.
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[@zbnmth]

I own on for five years and love it. The crinkling is soothing to me, a little like ASMR. Also, it solved my troubles with cold winternights.

[@poerqwa]

You are absolutely right, switched to this mattress 5 weeks into our thru-hike of the PCT and never looked back. I'm a gram-weenie but the additional weight compared to my previous NeoAir Xlite is absolutely worth it.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Glad to hear you are as happy as I am 😃👍🏻

[@jimbojet8728]

Thank you Robert, you couldn’t be more clear than that. I’ll go and buy it. Thanks

[@tomasz5274]

Many thanks for another great video! For guys annoyed by noise the Exped Synmat HL Winter may be an interesting alternative. Slightly lower R value 5.2 but no rustling and 9cm thick (good for side sleepers). 600g in WL (wide and long) version. Coming with 2in1 waterproof stuff/pump sack.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks 😊 and yes, Exped makes great pads to and the one you mention is a popular and a silent choice 👍🏻 and the weight is good for that R value to and you can always through in a cell foam pad to get some mor insulation if needed.

[@the_guardians_of_the_universe]

Your content is very resourceful!

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks 😊

[@Class1Adventures]

Great review. I've just bought one and not had chance to use it yet. I also got the chair to use with it. Can't wait to get out with it. 👍 ATB Peter

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks , And I hope and think you will love it!! 👍🏻

[@Fellmandave1]

great clear review thank you. I have just ordered a sea to summit ether light XT extreme, will be doing a comparison pressure review on it, but this looks great. I find the sea to summits really comfy though!

[@Fellmandave1]

ps , congratulations on hitting a 1000 subscribers, i am edging closer!

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@Fellmandave1 first, Thanks 😄👍🏻 feels great to hit that number! A bit of a milestone 🙂 Secondly, STS makes really great and comfortable pads so believe the extreme will be no different! Looking forward to the review 👍🏻

[@El.Duder-ino]

Thank you for the review!

[@roberthammenrudh]

No problem, and thanks for watching 🙂

[@Big-Government-Is-The-Problem]

i just got mine last night and ive slept on it and you're absolutely right that the chip bag noise complaint is WAY overblown. i have above average hearing and its not going to be an annoyance in any way, im also a light sleeper and i slept like a baby with this pad.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Great to hear it worked out great for you and that the “noise “ is not disturbing your or anybody else’s sleep 😄 so many out there with this complaint, good to get some feedback with the same opinion as me 🙂👍🏻

[@derektaitt8253]

Thanks Robert. I have been dithering between the Neoair XLite and Xtherrm. You have helped me decide; has to be the Xtherm. The extra money will be well spent I think.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Super glad to be able to help and yes, it’s an amazing pad that will not let you down! Good luck out there 👍🏻🙂

[@derektaitt8253]

@@roberthammenrudh Thanks again Robert. I have bought and just received an XTherm mat. Looking forward to trying it out.Of course I had to inflate it to experience the famous, or is it infamous, crackling. First impression is that it is nowhere as bad as reported. Time will tell. Take care. With kind regards

[@mikan24]

Hello from north of cold Finland, yes i will next buy this. Thanks for introduction

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi there Mika 👋🏻 and a good choice 👍🏻 you will stay warm and comfortable!! 🙂

[@evergreenoutdoors4651]

Very informative! I've been looking to upgrade for a while now and I think I may bite the bullet and spend the extra cash on an Xtherm.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks and I think you will find it worth every penny 👍🏻 🙂

[@rob9709]

I bought the x-therm a few years ago, I use it as a part of my sleeping system with a quilt. YES, an insulated mattress makes all the difference. ;) this is surely one of the best item I owned.

[@roberthammenrudh]

I can do nothing else then to agree 👍🏻🙂 love my pad and I don’t have to worry about getting cold , like ever 😄 at least not from the ground.

[@rob9709]

@@roberthammenrudh Last week I went for a three days hike, I walked about 30 km/day, when I arrived at what it seemed to me the right camp place I pitched up my tent and had a rest without the sleeping bag, while lying on the thermarest I could feel the warmth coming from the mattress, it was not freezing but cold anyway.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Yes that cozy warm feeling from the Xtherm is instant…got the same comment, more or less, from a friend last weekend (on a hike) saying he loved the pad directly from the start and a big difference from his old one. 🙂👍🏻

[@Chris-wc6hl]

Good video, I was going to just go for the trekology since i mainly camp in summer so didnt really mind, but i think i may give this a try. Also curious about the jacket you are wearing would you recommend ?

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks and Glad you found the vid useful, regarding the jacket it’s great down to -5 and lower if you keep moving. Not as warm as my Down Trek100 but many people don’t want the down...and the this is perfect. Like it and use it a lot acutely but since the Trek100 is lighter that is the one I normally bring.

[@Y2J3469]

Good candid review.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks, glad you liked it! 👍🏻

[@MaximPospelov]

thank you very much for this review, would you recommend it also for summer use or do you think it can get too hot on it? Also. would you recommend the max rectangular version or just with the long version of this pad instead if I want that extra space? thanks

[@roberthammenrudh]

You are welcome 🙂 and yes, well…it depends on how hot of a summer it is. Have used it around +22C with no problem. If the ground is hot, it also isolates against that as well. Difficult to say, but I would recommend to try at least. When it comes to what version, I think the rectangular versions are a little bitt waste of space and weight. The large size mummy shapes gives plenty of space sleeping on. If weight is of importance, I would definitely go for the Large Mummy, 64 by 196 cm.

[@Dharma_Bum]

@@roberthammenrudh how tall are you Robert?

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@Dharma_Bum Hi 🙂 I am 180 cm (5.9 feet).

[@Dharma_Bum]

@@roberthammenrudh thank you. Makes it easier to understand sizing with you lying on it. 😆 great review. Thanks!

[@grahamevans-prosser6045]

Just found your channel - excellent! I'm thinking of getting a Neoair Xtherm - how much does your large pad weigh on your scales and does that include stuff sack, inflation sack, repair kit etc? Thanks

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi Graham and welcome to the channel 🙂 glad you liked it. Regarding my Xtherm it weighs 569 grams on my scale and that is without stuff/inflation sack. That is additional 57 grams. I usually don’t bring the sack. Regarding repair kit I have some in my first aid kit, a couple of patches and glue to fix like 3-4 leaks. Don’t know the specific weigh on those but it is not much!

[@greenridgeoutdooradventure3433]

Subscribed! Excellent video!

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks 😊 and welcome to the channel 👍🏻

[@reviewseals]

Best review i have seen on this sleeping pad from thermarest xterm with new valve. I owned the older version without new valve the large one and i have used it in sourh india vellore where it was more then 50Celcius. This sleeping pad is the best only one complain, if you use this without sleeping pad in warm conditions use a sheet on it becauce the sweat of our body can make some color difference on the top layer of the sleeping pad. The noise will go completely when you used the sleeping pad. Me and my body’s no one have problems with the noise at night time I have sold the older one and i will buy the Xterm large (mummy to safe weight) with new valve. I have subscribed to your channel

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks a lot for those words and also for the tip regarding a sheet for summertime…I will for sure think about that. And also, welcome to the channel 🙂❤️👍🏻

[@avenpace]

Thnak You, this is great to know to hve confirmation, that people tend to exaggerate, including noise with this pad, especially the fact that it fades overtime, which nobody really mentioned before in their review. Also they made it sound like you are literally eating crisps in a cinema full of people, when it comes to camping with group, myaybe they need to bring some melatonine pills or have better sleep system if everything irritates them so badly, I had a feeling they exaggerate things a little bit with this pad. My only concern is the foot box, not sure if narrower space comparing to a rectangular pad will be an issue there.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi and glad you liked the review 🙂 well the narrower/mummy shaped Xtherm has for be been no problem since it is so wide but sure, compared to the rectangular one it’s smaller. I see no reason to go rectangular but I do understand the ones who like it, more like the bed at home.

[@karniskavva]

Har du använt madrassen sommartid? Är den för varm? Tack och bock för en grym video!

[@roberthammenrudh]

Tack så jättemycket 🙂 och svaret är ja, sedan jag köpte den har jag enbart använt den. Visst, är det mer än 20 grader finns det väl inget som motiverar att använda den direkt men tycker även den är skön. Även många Svenska sommarnätter, och på fjället är ju ofta 10-15 grader. Blir det för varmt har jag kastat av mig quilten... och klarat mig bra.

[@peakbagger7682]

Thank you.

[@EileenJos]

Thank you for this great review! One question though, how tall are you? For a woman I am quite tall (178 cm) and my shoulders are also quite wide/broad. I sleep both supine and on my sides. I am thinking that maybe I will find the regular version too short and too narrow.

[@roberthammenrudh]

First, thanks 😊🙂 and well, I am 180 so much like you regarding length. I previously had a 183 cm pad, works ok but the 196 cm large Xtherm is so much better. Also regarding width, although I am a side sleeper I do sometimes use the supine position and then the 64 cm is perfect. My elbows always stay in the pad 🙂 and do not recommend the regular because of that. So…my recommendation would be to go for the Large, if not the weight is more important.

[@EileenJos]

@@roberthammenrudh Thank you for a very quick and informative response! :)

[@jimbojet8728]

Order in! Sorted.

[@BaroudeurAventure]

Not only the noise and cost, but also the baffles direction. Some people complain that their arms fall down too easily from the mat, which is not the case when baffles are on the length as for the Exped.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Well we have different things we like and I have no problems with the direction of the baffles since it is the wide version and I have plenty of space. Maybe for the 51cm version that could be a bit of a problem I guess.

[@BaroudeurAventure]

Obviously it depends on the shoulder size

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@BaroudeurAventure yep, absolutely agree. I mainly went for the Xtherm for the high R and low weight …but many also claims when the baffles are from side to side like Xtherm it’s better for side sleepers…like me. I don’t disagree but then again…I haven’t actually tried length going baffles so 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@magnushedman6225]

Hej Robert. Tack för en bra kanal. Jag har tittat en del på Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XLite om jag väljer det i strl large så sparar jag 120 gram jag vandrar vandrar sällan på vintern. Vad tycker du om det liggunderlaget?

[@roberthammenrudh]

Tack Magnus, det värmer att höra! Xlite är ett väldigt bra underlag, tillräckligt varmt för dom flesta för 3 säsongers bruk. 4.2 om jag minns rätt. Har två vänner som använder det och som gillar det skarpt, kanske det prasslar lite mer än Xtherm men det är nog marginellt. Däremot är tyget lite tunnare så jag skulle i sådant fall köpa till ett 3mm EVA foampad att ha under som skydd, klipper du till den till samma storlek som liggunderlaget väger det omkring 50-70 gram tror jag samt ökar r värdet med ca 1-1.5.

[@magnushedman6225]

Tack för snabbt svar och bra tips med foampad. Har du kollat på jämfört skillnad foampad och vindruteskydd?

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@magnushedman6225 hej igen. Ja jag har själv använt ett vindruteskydd/silvermatta från BoCamp som skydd under ett liggunderlag. Ger marginellt med extra isolering, kanske 0.5 R som Max…men hade det mest som skydd. Foamet inuti är ganska tunt och ömtåligt så höll inte värst vidare bra. Använder idag inget till mitt Xtherm men med Xlite kan man nog med fördel komplettera med ett 3mm EVA i tex torsolängd för lite extra skydd eller fullängd beroende på hur känslig man är med vikten.

[@teddgram]

I've slept on mine for a few weeks and I agree - it's not that bad. My only complaint, and this is a personal issue, is that I should have bought the wide version.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Yes, it’s a really good pad but like you say, the wide option is preferable. No fun to have your arms fall off all the time when lying on you back.

[@robertphillips93]

In the bad old days when your only option was how much loft to get in a mummy bag, side sleeping was often an adventure ending in damp areas around your head from condensation in the bag. Sleeping almost exclusively on your back became the norm for a tired hiker. But quilts have been a great advancement for the restless sleeper like me -- who will usually spend a minimal amount of time flat . . .

[@marcusaurelius3487]

That's my problem too. So i returned it and now going to order the wide version

[@jonnytentpeg]

I agree with you about the crinkle moaners I've just bought the neoair max large with the winglock valve I was a bit worried about what the nay sayers were saying about the noise and I can 100% say they are wrong it's not half as bad as they were saying in fact I don't get where they're coming from at all and yes I've got excellent hearing as it goes plus I got the synergy sheet to go with it and honestly it's as quiet as a mouse really really happy with it if you're sat on the fence humming and harring about buying one go for it you won't be disappointed...fact...thank you for your video pal 😀👍

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi again there Jonny and seems we have the same idea about things, both tents and pads 😄 and yea it’s a great pad….end of discussion 😄💪🏻

[@jonnytentpeg]

@@roberthammenrudh nice one mate happy camping brother...just binge watching your vids with a beer now pal a real tonic after a 12 miler around were we live

[@jonnytentpeg]

Do apologise pal we live around pendle hill in lancashire mate not as nice as yours but it's a lovely part of the world none the less 😀👍

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@jonnytentpeg well UK is a great place and not to different from here where I live 🙂 haven’t been to Lancashire but who knows…just bought (my wife) a book about hiking in the UK so, hope to do that within a couple of years!!

[@jonnytentpeg]

@@roberthammenrudh well you know where we are bro atb pal 😀👍

[@DDDYLN]

I'll stick with my 1996 Therm-A-Rest GuideLite Long + Z-Rest. Both are 28 years old, and still in like-new condition. I've never been cold using them together. Yes, they are more bulky, and heavier. All this ultralight stuff seems like too much. I'm sure it's great for people who go to extremes. But for regular folks, who spend 1-3 nights in the back country, the old setup is fine. IMO, Cascade Designs made a big mistake by no longer offering a standard rectangular Therm-A-Rest. People are used to them, and they're comfortable. I can't imagine why I would want a mummy-shaped sleeping pad. Back when I did a lot of camping, the whole industry was much more simple. There are so many options to choose from these days, and so many of them are cheaply made compared to camping gear from the 1980's and 1990's.

[@beepen2319]

Maybe a daft question - but would this be too warm for summer use? Planning to use with a quilt with lowest comfort rating 4 deg C. Great video by the way.

[@roberthammenrudh]

First of all, thanks! And well, I have used it for over 2 years as my only pad and also during summer and up to like 25-28 degrees C with the same combo of a quilt at a comfort rating of 3C. Not a problem… maybe could be if like hiking in a desert or really warm area 🤷🏼‍♂️ otherwise you will do just fine.

[@beepen2319]

@@roberthammenrudh That's really helpful and thanks for getting back to me. Xtherm NXT it is for me then.

[@azclaimjumper]

I now have the Trekker chair wrapped around my XTherm which enables me to have insulated back & leg support off the ground when inside my tent. I have no intention of upgrading to the newer Xtherm NXT. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada U.S.A.

[@roberthammenrudh]

I never tried those chairs that transforms the pads to a chair 🤔 but seems you like them? Isn’t it hard to fold it right and get a good “chair” out of it?

[@azclaimjumper]

@@roberthammenrudh Easy Peasy. There are several videos that show how. I leave the Trekker Chair around the XTherm all the time. I can easily transform it into a chair or leave the XTherm flat for when I'm going to sleep on it. It's really nice, on a rainy afternoon/night to have a comfy, insulated & supported back + my legs are also insulated from the ground. I't better than a chair because your back, butt, & legs are insulated & warm. A chair without legs

[@petergilbert72]

I’m using a Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated which is very very comfortable. But it is twice the weight of the XTherm, a larger pack, and it’s deeper so it restricts the head room more. Oh, and in very cold weather I need more sleeping bag or a closed cell mat under it! It’s rated 4.0. So I’m thinking of an XTherm (though I have heard of failures of the valve or material).

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi Peter, and thanks for watching! Well the Xtherm is a very good and warm pad and do recommend it, regarding the valve I haven’t had any problems...are you sure that it’s the new upgraded valve that has problems? I only heard good things about it and think it’s great.

[@petergilbert72]

@@roberthammenrudh Good point - I’m not sure, and failure of the internal baffles may also have been dealt with by now. There’s certainly plenty of people who love it judging by the positive reviews it gets! Maybe I should keep my super comfortable Comfort Plus for bicycle touring and get an XTherm for backpacking!

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@petergilbert72 I think that will be a good choice 👍🏻

[@marcomiceli1]

@@petergilbert72 Hi. Check out the S2S Ether Light Insulated and the newer Extreme models

[@petergilbert72]

@@marcomiceli1 in fact, I’ve just bought an Etherlight Insulated. I haven’t slept on it yet, but lying on it I’d say it’s not nearly as comfortable as the Comfort Plus, but it is half the weight and packs a lot smaller.

[@jessemaloney8960]

Thanks for actually squeezing it so we could hear the famous crinkle noise everyone talks about.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Haha 😄 yea...but the microphone amplify the noise and don’t think it is that bad...but yes, it is famous though 🤷🏼‍♂️😄

[@oldtobyii7740]

Every single inflatable mattress makes noise, the thermarest noise myth was probably started by another air mattress company. Go ahead a buy a nemo tensor for "less noise" and have fun repairing a new puncture after each night's sleep!

[@OSR_1]

I bought one this week and it barely makes any noise at all.. no clue what everyone is talking about :/

[@jessemaloney8960]

@@OSR_1 I bought one recently and used it for a week in the winds. It actually made less noise than my friend's big agnes q core mat.

[@Langsvardet]

I bought one, large size - on sale. I have only tried to inflate, lay on it, and deflate it so far. But it looks like a nice pad for shure. [I can live with the crackling] The pumps sack and valve seems well thought out, better than my old Naturhike one.

[@roberthammenrudh]

It’s a great pad and I’m sure you’ll like it! Did you go for the new NXT version or the old?

[@Langsvardet]

@@roberthammenrudh I think it is the old one, hence the sale maybe?I have a budget for my gear purchases, but i try to buy quality items, once. Still, for under 1700 sek/ 150 euros, i think that i upgraded? (Yes, i sverige jag är född och uppväxt.. ;) )

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@Langsvardet då får jag säga “tjena” 👋🏻🙂 ja 1700 är et bra pris. Enda problemet som kan uppstå är en läckande ventil, annars ett toppen liggunderlag med otroligt skön värme mot vikten.

[@Daniel_S.]

What about the delamination issues? Did they finally fix their problems? Or do you still have delaminated bubbles after a few weeks or months of use?

[@roberthammenrudh]

I have heard of it, but haven’t had any problems so far. I think the problem is fixed but off course can’t say for sure. 🙂

[@Tryfan777]

No they did not fix it.

[@gematrinatoreightyeight6326]

@@Tryfan777 so what would you recommend

[@kittxg]

hi, do you have the actual weight information between the previous model "SKU 13250" v.s the current model "SKU 11633" ? ?

[@roberthammenrudh]

Well no sorry, I haven’t seen or tried the new one. My weigh in at 569 grams and for the new NXT they specify 570 grams and the Regular 11633 at 439 grams on their website! More or less the same weigh as the old, but with higher Rvalue and 6.9 vs 7.3. I would say their estimation in weight is usually pretty accurate. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help at the moment.

[@CycleXplorer]

Have you had any issues with being too warm in the summer? Torn between this an an Xlite

[@roberthammenrudh]

Nope, not at all… but the summers here might not be as warm as where you live so that is something to take into account. I slept on it when the day temperatures was like 25C daytime and 19C during the night as hottest.

[@CycleXplorer]

@@roberthammenrudh thank you. I’m in the UK so summer nights could vary from 0 to 28 degrees lol.

[@stephaneguyot3551]

Hello, thanks for your video, just wanted to say about the noise that I have the Neoair XLite, so approximately the same and the noise is really a problem…Could Thermarest change something and make that pad the Best ??

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi 👋🏻 and well, the Xtherm is slightly less noisy compared to Xlite and what I have heard the new version even less so…maybe worth checking out. It’s truly otherwise a great pad. Despite that, For this year I will try out the Nemo Tensor Alpine to get a flexible fabric…and hopefully even more comfort. But we will see… haven’t used it yet. 🙂

[@stephaneguyot3551]

@@roberthammenrudh Yes, the Nemo Tensor Alpine could be a good option 👍 if you try it, please make a review in order we can compare and tell us your feedback 😉 Thanks

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@stephaneguyot3551 absolutely, as soon as I have a couple of nights in it there will be a review 👍🏻🙂

[@greatamericandreamrealtyli6583]

I'm buying a pop up camper this week and am planning a 14 day trip in mid to late November on the Canadian border. The camper comes with a heated mattress but I don't know how warm that will get and I am always cold. Should I buy one of those sleeping pads that are rated 4 or above and put it on top of the heated mattress or would that not be effective? Are these pads meant only for tent camping? Would the warmth from the heated mattress heat the camping pad all the way through so that I feel it in my sleeping bag? Temps are supposed to be in the 20's but I want to be prepared for worst case. Note that I am always cold.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi Lisa, well for that kind of temperatures you will not need any additional heat in the bed. At least not with the Xtherm. The problem with heat from underneath is, the pad will also isolate from that…if you are worried that the heat in the bed is bad is not good enough, then buy the Xtherm and you will be ok no matter what and the pad doesn’t know if it is in a tent or a camper 🙂

[@greatamericandreamrealtyli6583]

@@roberthammenrudh Thank you. I’m thinking that it might also be a good idea to have the pad just in case I get caught without enough electricity or propane for some crazy reason (breaking down somewhere perhaps) so might be a good backup plan.

[@laurynaspetniunas8193]

Do you recommend this for a side sleeper?

[@roberthammenrudh]

Absolutely, no problem. As a side sleeper myself I found it very comfortable. Just let a little bit of air out and you will sleep like a log! 👍🏻

[@iradagrey]

I have a thermarest neoair, the green one. I've had it for several months and it's been great. All of a sudden it has a built in pillow which is very uncomfortable. Used it every night for several months and it wasn't there till last night.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Ah that’s no good… that can happen though and also on other brands… have you been in contact with Thermarest? Maybe you can get a new one 🤷🏼‍♂️ if the guarantee covers it!

[@iradagrey]

@@roberthammenrudh I'm not sure if I got a warranty.

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@iradagrey sorry to hear that, unfortunately thing like this happens… I hope you find another pad they works better. Tried Nemo?

[@toxicteabaging]

I got the Xtherm Large Max variation just a week ago, haven't slept on it yet but tried it inside and also with the simple trekker chair kit which works incredibly well. I can really feel my heat radiating back at me and i initially find the pad very comfortable even as a side sleeper, same when bending it in shape for the chair kit, super comfy. I'm bringing it to the swedish mountains this summer, I can't wait to wake up in the morning, fold it into a chair and have a hot cup of coffee in the early morning while keeping warm and comfy with a nice view of the mountains. I feel confident this pad is gonna do it's job not only well enough, but even brilliantly. Should be well worth the money if you love going out into nature and doing camps.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Haven’t tried the chair kit but have seen it on pictures. Nice idea and to get multiple use of the gear is always good 👍🏻 good luck and I am confident you will love the pad just as much as I do 🙂

[@khuiification]

Wish i could get hold of one at a sane price. From Swedish stores it's betweek 3000-4000 SEK, which is way too much. Ordering from UK or so it's "only" about 2500 SEK (which is already borderlining on what i will pay for a sleeping pad) but it seems to be sold out everywhere :-(

[@roberthammenrudh]

Yea, it’s a pricey pad for sure. Remember now when ordering from uk...there will be some added cost since January 2021. I bought my pad at backpackinglight.se a year ago but saw now like you said, out of stock! Only regular in stock...but 51cm I think is to narrow! Wish you all the luck! 👍🏻

[@khuiification]

@@roberthammenrudh Yes, out of stock everywhere and where it isn't it's really expensive. Found one (large) for 3200 SEK, so i guess i'll be ordering that one before the wife is able to stop me... Thanks, great video!

[@lionsmusic004]

nice video

[@andrewchoffin7552]

I couldn't have put it better myself!

[@roberthammenrudh]

Thanks 🙂

[@impermanenthuman8427]

I am 184cm tall and prefer a Large size pad where my arms/hands stay on the pad and don’t feel like I will roll off in the night, so I bought a seatosummit ether light insulated XT 3.2 Rv which is very comfortable, but I am a cold sleeper it isn’t warm enough in the winter to have my sleeping bag on top of rather than inside the bag. I am trying to decide if I should get a Thermarest Neoair XTherm in regular size so I can get even more warmth by bringing it inside my sleeping bag and then using a thin but wide closed cell foam pad under the sleeping bag just so my hands stay warm if they drop off the pad, or if this pad is warm enough then I should just get the large size version and put my sleeping bag on top of it? I am pretty sure the large size won’t fit in my sleeping bag with me laying on my side 🤔

[@roberthammenrudh]

Well, my recommendation would be to buy the Large size because with 6.9R you are likely to stay warm anyways! Depending off course under what conditions …I use mine also during summer but only hike 3 season…coldest for me has been -7 degree Celsius and as a cold sleeper myself I have had no problems to stay warm. Maybe you will use it also during winter and much colder temperatures so worth thinking about. You know your body the best and under what conditions you will hike so…go with the gut feeling 👍🏻

[@impermanenthuman8427]

@@roberthammenrudh thanks for the advice! How do you find sleeping on your side with the pad at full inflation pressure? Do you stay off the ground? Or would there be cold spots at hips and shoulders?

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@impermanenthuman8427 I sleep most of the time on my side and yea, if you let a bit too much air out there could be cold spots… but the sweet spot where you are comfortable and warm on your side is possible. I rarely have the pad fully inflatable but guess that if it is like full wintertime and really cold 🥶 it could be necessary!

[@impermanenthuman8427]

@@roberthammenrudh thanks again 👍🏻

[@fransjager5218]

Sover du oftast på sidan eller på ryggen, tänker om du brukar sjuka igenom den så man känner av marken? :)

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hej, jag är främst en sidosovare och har inga problem att jag sjunker igenom. Brukar släppa ut lite luft också så jag sjunker ner lite för maximal comfort. 🙂

[@fransjager5218]

@@roberthammenrudh Ja men vad härligt, du får inte att axeln domnar eller så? Samt vilken bredd kör du på din madrass? :)

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@fransjager5218 nej det skulle jag inte säga men vrider och vänder på mig en del i sömnen så kanske får bra variation. Tycker den ger bra stöd både när man sover på sidan och rygg så…för mig har den varit en toppenmadrass. Kör på Large varianten vilket är 196 lång och 64 bred samt mumie formad om jag minns siffrorna rätt.

[@AnnaKra]

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[@1968hvr]

Hi Robert, what is that 8848 jacket you are wearing.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Hi Hank, well like you are saying it’s the brand 8848 with a primaloft filling so a synthetic jacket. Bought it like 3 years ago on a sale and it’s not manufactured anymore. Don’t know if they have any equivalent but take a look if interested. Link to 8848 below. www.8848altitude.com/se/

[@roberthammenrudh]

Looked at their website and looks like this jacket, in the link comes close. www.8848altitude.com/se/herrklader/weisshorn-liner-fallen-rock

[@PraktischTaktisch-Gut]

I'm hiking a lot and meet like every time different people with whom I share the shelters. I often see thermarest neo air x lite or something like that. also other "noisy" cheap mattress. Me myself I bought once the thermarest neao air x lite..and I sold it quite fast. First of all, the reason "it's too loud" is bullshit, because if somebody is turning during the night, I hear it because of all his gear, I hear his sleeping bag moving, sliding etc. And I would say that this is not changeable. It was never the mattress only! Ok I didnt like the noise from my thermarest but the most I didnt like was the sleeping comfort and that it was slippery like hell. nowadays i carry a klymit stativ v luxe sl something like 700-800g, and sometimes a sea to summit camp plus sl in regular wide (1300g), I am not "wide" but I like the comfort. I am also carrying a 100l backpack because I need it. In winter season, I carry my 3kg sleeping bag and I would never change it to a down-sleeping bag even when its not that heavy. my backpack empty weight is like 4 kg etc I don't want to say that it is easy but I am ready to carry my comfort. there is nothing worse then being wet or getting wet the night or even a bad night. I am always sleeping good and more hours then at home and I would always recommand to carry some gramms more when it means to sleep a bit better. But you dont have to carry what I do, I just mean

[@regiskrug7041]

My friend was in his tent, at least 50 feet from me when I was using this sleeping pad. He said the noise kept him awake most of the night.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Haha 😂 well, he has to be very ”allergic to noise 🙂

[@thecorporategypsy]

I never noticed the noise as I sleep with ear plugs. My issue was it was not that comfortable.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Ah ok, I think it is but sure …there are pads with more elastic fabric like STS use for example I guess they are somewhat more comfortable. Wha do you use and are happy with?

[@thecorporategypsy]

@@roberthammenrudh i am using the Nemo Astro insulated for summer (R2.2 and 3.5 inches thick) and hoping to buy the StoS Etherlight Extreme (R6.2 and 4inch thick) when in stock

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@thecorporategypsy good choice, been looking at the STS extreme because I also own the eather light XT and it’s super comfy 🙂 we will see about next year.

[@thecorporategypsy]

@@roberthammenrudh next year is probably when I will be able to buy it as supply chain issues are real!

[@daveangel9096]

that you Colin Robinson?

[@deanoboland]

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[@dominicaustin6016]

Welcome the Truthbrary

[@azclaimjumper]

I have the XTherm & believe it's the best air mattress ever produced. Anyone who bellyaches about the noise created by the XTherm is someone who could find something wrong with a blue sky & fleecy clouds.

[@roberthammenrudh]

Yes, a great pad and some people just have to find bads wherever they look !

[@LastDays2024]

Therm-a-Rest NeoAir XTherm Leaks out the WingLock Valve /// I got a new one and does the same! slow leak.. Test your Valve by using a bowl or pool or anything that you can get the Valve underwater, test closed and open and see if your mat does leak before you go on the trail.. I even pop the top off and i was surprised it does not seat down to the rubber gasket! This would be easy fix for them, they just need the inside of the cap to have the round plastic under the cap to set more into the Tube around the rubber seal.. I do love this mat! But i wont ever use it on Hiking trip ever! I hope none of you have this same problem, no way to stop the leak, when it not coming from the mat it self.

[@roberthammenrudh]

You are not alone with this problem, mine started to leak this year slightly, not so much but noticeable in the morning. Switched to the Nemo Alpine this year and love that mat… so comfy! Not as warm but fine for 3 seasons.

[@LastDays2024]

@@roberthammenrudh Nemo Alpine looks very nice! I am happy for you. I had to go more robust mat, i toss and turn in my sleep, Today I will own a Large (78 x 25 x 1.5 inches)Sea to Summit Camp Self-Inflating Foam Sleeping Mat. / its a lot more weight, 2 pounds 6 oz with the bag to carry in. I will never go back to mat that is around 20 inch wide! Thank you for the feed back, many will not admit that the sleeping mat leaks out the port! What a shame i really love this mat!!! Even with a second valve it does the same! This could be an easy fix, the black cap needs to stop all air, yet it does not! And the yellow flap that controls air going in and out, does not hold back when a heavy person like me at 220 pounds is on the mat. I think it leaks for me is the valve is not rated for someone over 200 pounds? Just a guess? I sub you today, Have a Blessed Hiking Day!

[@Holstinin007]

How many price?

[@roberthammenrudh]

Much depends on where you buy it, here in Sweden it’s about 3000 Sek or ~300 euro, for the Large version and in UK about 250£. Don’t know the situation or prices on US 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@michaelsrowland]

Why doesn't he explain how he inflated this mat?

[@roberthammenrudh]

Good question, I should have off course. Well, I normally don’t bring the pump sack that follows with the purchase but just use my mouth/lungs. The pump sack is good and works perfectly, but for me it’s about saving weight so I don’t bring it. Both ways are good. 🙂

[@tonylee4138]

What about the pump sack? Its just 20 l. So you would still be using an additional bigger dry bag. Unless you dont need pump sack. An amatuer move that adds un-nessassry weight. Theres no sleeping pads on the market.

[@tonylee4138]

Iv got a roll mat system thats about 600g and r value of about 7. Mainly needed a packable inflated mat although 2 expeds failed. The additional stuffsack weight plus an actual dry bag for storage just annoys me.

[@done4210]

I bought this pad a few months ago and just found the opportunity to use it for a week. My only complaint is that it does not hold pressure through the night, it looses a third of its pressure, had to reinflate after each night use ( was used where we camped in the same place for a few days at a time.) I could learn to dislike this mattress if that is acceptable. Anyone else with a similar experience.

[@roberthammenrudh]

That is not ok and normal, and if new I guess you can mail Thermarest and maybe get a new one 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@done4210]

@@roberthammenrudh They told me that some leakage overnight was normal, to try and identify the cause myself by holding under water, then recommended a patch fix. I can send back but they would do the same thing. Very disappointing.

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@done4210 yes that doesn’t feel like good customer support, did you buy directly from thermarest or? Otherwise you probably have more luck at the retailer. Wish you good luck and hope you find and fix the leak!

[@done4210]

@@roberthammenrudh I bought from a reputable retailer but this is a Thermarest problem. I will contact them again, but I have a suspicion that their inventory is low and they need new sales, not warranty replacements, even though this is a totally new pad. Just a hunch. I have left it inflated in my home within three days, the pad had deflated where it is slumping. Not right. Live and learn.

[@robertphillips93]

Yes, that's not up to par for any air mattress. My XTherm regular is now 3 years old and holds air very well. I've been using it daily for several months now and only just recently decided to firm it up a bit with a couple of bags-full. Speaking of which, it's well to remember that blowing directly into the valve will introduce water vapor, which of course will lose volume upon condensing. In related details, there have been complaints about the newer inflation bags being too leaky to use. If the new wingnut valve is even a little more restricted than than the older version (which I find simple to use), the relatively higher pressure required could be an issue for a marginal bag.

[@lottacabooseanvret2689]

Den är inte så dyr… luftpåsen man fyller den med ingår i priset! Till EXPED köps den separat. OCH - du behöver bara ett underlag! Inte en för varje säsong DESSUTOM du kan ha huuuuur varm sovsäck som helst - men drar du ner på underlaget så fryser du ändå. Mitt bästa köp! Funkade PERFEKT när jag sov i -11🙌🏻

[@roberthammenrudh]

Precis, exakt så… 😀detaljen gällande påsen/priset missade jag den fördelen faktiskt! Bra påpekat 👍🏻 älskar min och kul att höra du gillar din minst lika mycket 😄

[@Dharma_Bum]

Thanks for the insight. I think my wife would murder me. I roll over and over all night long. Crinkle crinkle........ crinkle crinkle. .....

[@roberthammenrudh]

😂🤷🏼‍♂️ yea it might be different if two in the tent, myself I don’t hear or get disturbed by the “noise”.

[@camouflage962]

I must say, my EXPED DURA 8R LW is the ultimate piece of equipment - cannot understand why anyone would go for less.... it is awsome... no noise, to performance, great design, faboulous color theme, extremely rigid....

[@roberthammenrudh]

Yes i guess it’s a nice, durable and warm pad but… at 1.2 kg it’s about twice as heavy 🤷🏼‍♂️ that’s one of the reasons Thermarest pads are so popular… a lot of warmth for its weight!

[@lexuinosirg5491]

Never again ,without ear plugs not plugs not possible to sleep. Buy a self inflated it's cheaper and quiter

[@roberthammenrudh]

But also much heavier 🤷🏼‍♂️ but totally do understand and if sensitive to noice it could be a potential problem and for you a fact it seems! Myself I have no problems and find it quite enough not to disturb me or others around me, so far 🙂 I hope you find a pad you like.

[@lexuinosirg5491]

@@roberthammenrudh indeet Roberto 🤷‍♂️my new one i only 200 gr heavier 😉 i now carrying 200 gr more than necessary 🤷‍♂️

[@roberthammenrudh]

@@lexuinosirg5491 so true, no reason to go stupid light and I have a couple of self inflating mats to for my kids!

[@MestTheBest]

my review: 5 trips and it autodeflates after doing nothing 7 days in my room...

[@roberthammenrudh]

Yea I have heard more people having that exact problem, you should contact Thermarest and get a new one. Something to do with the wing lock valve and leakage around that one… could be fixed with some good glue/silicone but better get it replaced!! Hope it works out for you!!

[@MestTheBest]

@@roberthammenrudh tanks

[@hubertuse.]

Thanks for your opinion. I would be easier to chose best one . Best greetings from Poland 🇵🇱

[@roberthammenrudh]

Glad you found it to be useful, and so nice to see you also found your way to my channel 😃 been to Poland a couple of times, great 🍺 and food 👍🏻🙂

[@TimmyBobinson]

I was summit camping one night, and I heard a Thermarest Xtherm rustling across the valley as the person turned over! ,,..,.,.____🏕_.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.____🎶🏕

[@roberthammenrudh]

Or he was eating a bag of crisps 😄 jokes a side, I don’t think it’s that bad but, we are all different 🤷🏼‍♂️🙂

[@deanoboland]

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