Why Cartoons Keep Dying...

[@RoundtableVids]

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[@googamp32]

You forgot Megas XLR!

[@luigiboi4244]

PLEASE TALK ABOUT TRANSFORMERS ANIMATEDDDDDD

[@Marshall-jo9om]

I think you should be asking is streaming destroying cartoons and anime

[@brandongaylord1039]

It was Owl House for me

[@yaboimart9771]

Infinity train never aired in my contry cant relate

[@dspace4514]

Imagine discovering that Inside Job was cancelled and at the same time finding out Big Mouth was getting another season. I nearly popped a freaking blood vessel.

[@RiverTheOneandOnly]

Womp womp big mouth is good

[@HenshinFanatic]

​@@RiverTheOneandOnly in bizarro world maybe, or opposite day.

[@meathead2934]

No its not ​@@RiverTheOneandOnly

[@idkissausername1667]

​@@RiverTheOneandOnlybro is attracted to children in sexual situations, yo get the fbi on this mf

[@RiverTheOneandOnly]

@meathead2934 it's actually good tho

[@ryancarless7921]

Being an animation fan today is literally suffering. I have heard far too often “ nobody watched this show” or “toy sales killed this show”. Shows like Close Enough and Infinity Train were killed off before they hit their peak. I really hope more cartoons survive the next decade

[@jordanloux3883]

This is why KZbin animation is blowing up. Those cartoons are made by people with passion and love for the craft, not just people looking to meet a quota

[@triadwarfare]

@@jordanloux3883 and KZbin animation is dying because of its demonitization policies.

[@SilverScribe85]

@@jordanloux3883 Which is why I'm glad Helluva Boss, Lackadaisy and even Amazing Digital Circus are doing so well

[@lenardbordo9838]

That would be great - and that some of these canceled shows will be revived.

[@ryanmatthews3609]

@@jordanloux3883 almost

[@izzymcgee2527]

I really hate it when an entire fanbase gets a bad reputation because of a vocal minority in said fanbase. Can't blame the fans for EVERYTHING.

[@Lazyspaceout]

Have you seen ARK the animated series? Its out!

[@cartoon_finatic]

The ironic thing is for The Owl House, the creator, Dana Terrace, herself literally told her fans to use piracy to watch her show, The Owl House. She didn't even want to support Disney, despite being a creator of there.

[@donaldduck73]

So basically....she set herself up for failure in possibly every other way

[@Greevheattak]

​@@donaldduck73 nah this happened while she was already finished with the series anyways, wheter they canceled her at that point or not she was done so the fact she said she was alright with it just shows solidarity against disney's shitty practices of not airing the episodes nor releasing tbem on disney plus

[@Nobody-tm9vr]

@@donaldduck73 The show was canceled since August 2020.

[@SilverScribe85]

@@Nobody-tm9vr And yet the impression it left hasn't gone away

[@lenardbordo9838]

She is right about not supporting Disney after the way they treated her, her show and the crew behind it. As for the young adults that watched the show, Disney executives made it unequivocally clear that they don't want people like us to watch their stuff. So why should we?!

[@Trainlover1995]

Fans aren't killing cartoons, it's Hollywood executives who believe unscripted reality shows make the most profit.

[@spinjitzumasterfalcon]

I mean, if companies gave fans more opportunities to watch their shows, we wouldn’t have the need to pirate. (Although, I personally avoid pirating unless I need clips for an animation music video). I will never forget Nick and Disney for canceling the Owl House and Rise of the TMNT.

[@jubilation77c28]

Did Rise of TMNT get better? The first few shows were just awful

[@spinjitzumasterfalcon]

@@jubilation77c28it got so incredible! It didn’t deserve to be cancelled so soon

[@dragonslayer5259]

Yea bro your speaking fax

[@Kittenfox_55]

The reality that OK K.O's creator stated himself that Donald Trump ruined the future of his show. And also Trick Moon

[@MrEmpoleon2010]

God I’m still mad Trick Moon. It was a huge missed opportunity for Cartoon Network and I needed more Pocket in my life damn it.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

I'm glad 12 forever didn't get picked up for cartoon Network

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

Of course Netflix got it then it became a became a monkey paw situation

[@zacharymoss2994]

There's no solid proof that trump should be blamed for ok ko being canceled, if anything the California tax laws and other leftist political shenanigans strained the budget for the show and proves why cartoon studios should move to Texas and other red states. Good for the economy, making plenty of jobs and no problems with too much tax nonsense

[@theflowerhead]

But how would he?

[@ThatOneGuy7550]

TLDW: US executives hate animation and find trivial reasons to cancel animated media, sometimes it's toy sales sometimes it's just because

[@Somethin5041]

A lot of times it ends up being tax writeoffs

[@dragonhead99]

It is mostly toy sales. In 1980s, cartoons like He-Man, Transformers, and My Little Ponny make alot money for it animations to make alot of toys. But, animation today standard don't work like that anymore.

[@izzymcgee2527]

They also gaslight fans by saying it was our fault that shows get cancelled.

[@AlexP-dz7ew]

@@dragonhead99 well kids don’t even play with toys like they used to. Get them an iPad and you’re all good.

[@theodoredubois7582]

I still blame the networks for canceling all the show like American dragon Jake Long, Harvey beaks, beware the batman, green lantern the animated series, and wander over yonder.

[@RYMAN1321]

Beware the Batman wasn’t that good of a show though, and I can see why it only lasted a season. The animation was just….. cheap and offputting IMO And the lack of more known villains didn’t help either. It’s one thing to give lesser known villains the spotlight but it’s another to just ignore the fact well known one all together.

[@jakehiebert8664]

The creator said he wanted to adapt darkest night 😤 dang it

[@jaimedanielhernandezrios5398]

Piracy is more a SYMPTOM of wack transmission and scheduling. Cancellation seems nowadays to stem more and more from arbitrary decisions. These companies have big layoffs and corporate reestructuring more often than ever. Everything is more unstable so it just takes the wrong person to not like the show to can it. Toys sales seem to be a weird factor since toy companies more and more don't want merch from 10 and up properties and concentrate on the toddler demographic.

[@jturner2577]

And these companies barely bother to make merchandise that has wide appeal.

[@horseyfacetheglorious]

How can fans kill cartoons?! It’s like blaming a murder victim for their own death

[@DDarkestKnight]

Except the fans aren't the murder victim they're one of the murder suspects.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@DDarkestKnight this, people forget that fans are short for Fanatics. The sad thing is, fans (especially the hardcore folks) can (and *_will_* if they get the chance) kill a cartoon if it doesn't fit their 'expectations'. I've seen Star Wars crumble into oblivion by its own putrid weight before Disney came along. I've seen an entire genre of gaming (RTS) die because the fandom would rather be effectively xenophobic about new players than grow the genre (out of the various RTS games I've played, *_STARCRAFT II_* got me interested in multiplayer gaming when Wings of Liberty's multiplayer beta came out)... ... I could go on but, yeah. Fans *_ARE_* one of the murder suspects.

[@TwinRiver100]

I think the higher ups are mostly going with the analogy of that one episode of Always Sunny, where fans will probably go for the easier way to see a show or movie rather than go see something theatrically or go through the official means to see it and support it. season 14 episode 2: "Thunder Gun 4: Maximum Cool" the main bit i'm kind of reffering to is the ending for the episode where after the Gang manages to get all the changes and things to make the movie a great and what should make it a success and everything they want, they still just end up pirating it.

[@tahgeneral6603]

Nbs

[@TwinRiver100]

@@tahgeneral6603 NBS?

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

The fans are never the problem, it’s obviously the executives not reading the room due to have the major demographic be the real target audience for them.

[@toon4thought]

IMAGINE: small indie folks who literally have to pay out of pocket just to build their creations into existence, and generally are less educated in business than art, are showing infinitely more of an understanding in all these regards of how to make animation a legit business than the conglomerates that are gorging themselves on all the money in the planet.

[@fixedfunshow]

Watch: Dragonkeeper The Storm Unicorn Wars Robot Dreams

[@toon4thought]

​@fixedfunshow I did see - and really enjoyed- Robot Dreams. Unicorn Wars has caught my eye too but unfortunately I'm too squeamish to gore. 😅

[@fixedfunshow]

@@toon4thought Unicorn Wars is 2D made in Blender, completely frame by frame. Excellent movie.

[@toon4thought]

​@@fixedfunshow That's really cool. I'm glad it's been met with a lot of acclaim. I'm still sensitive to gore.

[@fixedfunshow]

@@toon4thought I have a friend who's the same and still watched it and still liked it. Literally is a modern classic now. Spain is doing so good and they have a lot more upcoming 2D movies and 3D movies such as Decorado (from the creator as UW and also a criticism of modern companies like Disney) or The Girl and the Wolf. I, for once, let the Spain overlords take over. So just watch UW and look away when you see blood. It's better than so many movies I've seen.

[@savvyhernandez9723]

Tuca and Bertie will forever and always have a special place in my heart. It got me through a rough couple of years and it was one of the first shows my husband and I binged together when we first started dating. We even have a framed picture of Speckle (you know the one) right by our front door- it was one of the first things we hung up in our home when we moved in together. 🥺❤️

[@RYMAN1321]

I really enjoyed that show too, it was very funny yet also wasn’t afraid to tackle serious issues and address them in a very well written way.

[@Smartlad09]

It was me, Roundtable, I cancelled all your favorite shows, wrote off Coyote vs Acme, AND stopped the owl house from getting a full 3rd season!

[@manuelalbertoromero9528]

Vox, is this you?

[@Connowot387]

What the… what’s happening here in this part of the comments?

[@Ferrari03]

Reverse Flash ahh comment

[@dzrmgkva]

I knew it!! Got ya!!!

[@ZeepAtomic]

David Zaslav?! It can't be!

[@crouchingli0n889]

I wanna give an honorable mention to Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart getting scrubbed off of Cartoon Network's branding and HBO Max even though it got announced for a season 2 shortly after the first season ended. Even the creator Parker Simmons won a daytime emmy for outstanding preformer for the show, but CN didn't seem to care. The show hasn't been announced to be canceled, but it's sitting in limbo with an unknown future. Still holding out hope that it does return.

[@lenardbordo9838]

Just like Glitch Techs!

[@Ermakshually]

@@lenardbordo9838glitch techs is most likely canceled

[@fireboy2maybe]

It pisses me off

[@bambiboo4611]

Thank you, Mao Mao was one the best show to happen to cartoon network!!! Now they're more focused on Teen Titans Go?!?!?WTF!!!!!

[@blue_collar_solidYT]

Never was a big fan of it, it just didn't speak to me

[@mysteryxio9957]

Never understood what people meant when they said "wrong demographic" people watch the show who cares if the person fits into a certain category if people are watching the program

[@EmbalmerEmi]

Their stupid logic is that if a show was ment for boys but ended up with a big girl audience then that's not good because "girls won't buy boy toys". And the same logic in reverse for boy liking a series aimed at girls, it's all about toy sales to these people. 😕

[@RYMAN1321]

@@EmbalmerEmiThat’s ridiculous, both sexes can enjoy toys for the opposite sex and vice Versa.

[@catholiccontriversy]

When it isn't toys, it's advertisers. I'm not 100% certain how it works, but I think companies basically sign a global ad deal for the network and they pay based on average demographic viewership for the entire network or a defined block (such as the 6-9PM time frame). If you're a channel that is targeting boys age 6-11, you want to primarily have boys age 6-11 watching so you can have advertisements targeting them and advertiser willing to pay for that audience because they're going after them, but when it's something outside the demographic it's a much cheaper price because it's less likely to sell to the people interested. It's why you have sugary breakfast cereal advertised during spongebob and not Oprah. If my "pay per channel" or "pay per time block" idea is correct, that would explain why a "wrong demographic" is a thing. If 5/6 shows in a block are really popular with boys but 1/6 is really popular with girls, and the advertisers don't have a choice on the show they are advertised with, now your demographic value goes down since now there's a "risk" of "gross booger slime station" airing during the "popular with girls" show and missing the people who would buy it, or "pretty fashion cat secret diary" aired with the shows that are popular with boys. Same applies for "this is popular with teens and adults," kids aren't going to want car insurance and credit cards, and teens and adults aren't going to want toys and candy (at least most of the time). I'm not part of any of those discussions so I don't know if I'm correct, but the limited amount of information I do know about advertising contracts and assumptions based on how kids channel's have programming blocks (or at least they used to) has me thinking this is what "the wrong demographic was watching it" means.

[@supersonicmario56]

​@@EmbalmerEmi I believe the argument could stem from people who are looking for one form of media from the wrong source (primarily due to them not bothering to do their research on a series before watching it). Example: someone complaining about there not being enough action in a series that's focused primarily on comedy. Not to say that you don't have a point. The whole My Little Pony franchise and all the "Bronies" is like the definitive example for that.

[@TrinityCore60]

@@EmbalmerEmi So what I'm hearing is, "executives are sexist to the point of self-sabotage".

[@Noxiflare]

I think the company is the one to blame. There are lots of potentials in every cartoons but due to the company it destroyed the feeling that we used to feel when we were kids.

[@mizuko6132]

I’m pretty sure the main audience. “Children” don’t really watch cartoons anymore. There’s so many different forms of entertainment to engage with. I feel like adults just watch stuff later on their own time. There’s no reason to catch something on the first day it drops.

[@Vulpes_Ailurus]

Rule #1: Don’t ever blame fans for anything. It’s biting the hand that feeds you.

[@Derp-rz1nn]

exactlyyyyy

[@WeebGuru6]

That’s true but there are times where fans don’t know what they want and need to be quiet in simple just cuz something popular doesn’t mean it’s right

[@aristotle6510]

Nah you gotta stand in the corner.

[@GeorgeTankerYT]

The only exception being slugterra apparently

[@apirlfools]

@@WeebGuru6 what are you referring to sounds like your saying ur opinion should overrule others?

[@doomlord0773]

Probably one of the biggest reasons for shows that are good being canceled is actually the executives canceling the show not actually engaging with the fans. Funnily enough, its because they themself dont actually KNOW why people enjoy it because all they do is have someone tell them the show was enjoyed and then never actually look into it. Its obliviousness to the material and fans that kills shows, because they just.... dont engage with it.

[@thema1998]

"Fun" fact: The suits at Disney legitimately didn't know how popular The Owl House until after they shortened Season 3 to three episodes.

[@117Jorn]

Executives are old farts who still equate Cartoon/Animation to Kids stuff. So they gear merch towards kids, and ignore the more teen/young adult demographic and then they get surprise pikachu faced when sales are low.

[@aleksandralazarek7537]

Thank you for the video. There's a very strong anti-piracy sentiment in cartoon fandoms, which bugs me the wrong way, given that in many non-Western countries the shows are not made officially available until months or years later if at all (third volume of ATLA only aired in my country in 2014 and last two seasons of VLD are still not available on local Netflix).

[@jturner2577]

These Companies are so neglectful towards Merchandisse that even when Companies express interest they either say no or just ignore them. Are those Donkeys that out of touch?

[@lk_3099]

What's the big deal with merch? I still don't get the fascination with it from fans.

[@brandonmoss8286]

Agreed, say what you want, but Pokemon is the most profitable company in the world, and $80 billion of their $88 billion of profit is from licensed merchandise. I would say Glitch has the right idea but I don't know what their financial situation is and how much money they make from merchandise and how much they would make from ad revenue.

[@AntzemEmnza]

​@@lk_3099merchandising adds more revenue to the studio and the creators. Many big franchises revolves around a strong merchandising, for example, the Transformers franchise, whose main revenue generator is their massive toys and figures. Another example is the Gundam franchise with their Gunpla, earning them billions. So it's not surprising that the creators would also want a strong merchandising backbone for their shows.

[@theforkedman3030]

A large amount of people born in the late 80's and 90's we're the generation that make up the adults looking for animation. Over and over again corporate executives say they don't know how to target an older audience however they made a new market that is "adults looking for animation." By ignoring the market they made in the west they're passively funneling them to the anime market.

[@ilan_profile]

11:04 Fun Fact, The Looney Tunes Show airs more than Teen Titans Go on CN USA nowdays, for some reason, the new Tiny Toons Show boosted its views

[@cartooncentral263]

Fans aren’t killing cartoons, corporate greed and evil CEO’s fault.

[@Hashiriya086]

What’s killing cartoons is bad producers, poor writing and unnecessary intervention by the network

[@ryanmatthews3609]

good point.

[@natalimoina]

Poor writing???

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

@@ryanmatthews3609 He forgot the life and times of JUNIPER LEE, a show that was like CN’s Jake long American dragon

[@graveyardshift6691]

@@natalimoina Plot holes that frankly wouldn't even make it out of rough draft let alone first draft causing inconsistencies and continuity errors. The kind you see written by 2nd graders. Writing rooms run by committee. In the old days most shows were written by one person with the occasional backup. Now it's a committee of no less then two dozen people. "Too many cooks spoil the broth" deal. The constant lecturing and treating the audience like they're incompetent. Your audience is likely far smarter than you give them credit for. Deriding them for not 'getting' your 'grand vision' isn't them being stupid. It's you being an asshole. Pandering. Enough said. Most of the shows made or reboots done for a 'modern audience' usually take the entire list of Cardinal Writing Sins and use them as a blueprint for their show. The end results tend to show WHY they are Cardial Writings Sins and you SHOULD NOT DO THEM.

[@shadowmist9093]

Execs thinking they have the midas touch when they truly have the poop touch

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

The top cartoons that broke my heart the most was The looney tunes show, Infinity train, Ok KO and The Owl house. Also for ones like Symbonic titan, I was heavily invested to the characters especially llana and the storylines similar to Teen Titans and Ben 10. Hell JUNIPER LEE was cancelled due to executive meddling). Thus, leaving it off on a cliffhanger to which I had BINGED on that show.

[@zdanee]

Much like indie games can only thrive because they lack corporate meddling, animation should also go indie, like Helluvaboss. Even a crazy youtuber can make and live off merch, advertising money goes directly to them, and the fans get a show free to watch. Imagine Infinity Train just a youtube channel, probably tens of millions of subscribers, and just doing a 30 second short every other day would bring in the ad revenue needed to go on. Of course Infinity Train or any other of these shows can't go indie, because their characters are the IP of the big studios. They paid for it, so they can take it away and destroy it if they please. This is a lesson for new shows. Do the youtube thing!

[@chanceycakes]

I showed my roommate The Looney Tunes Show last year and we actively rewatch it constantly. It was so unhinged and ahead of its time.

[@yesikanarvaez5027]

Depends on what kind of fans

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

He forgot the life and times of JUNIPER LEE, a show that was like CN’s Jake long American dragon

[@ryanmatthews3609]

if only.

[@Dante_Fr]

Corporations do know that the fans literally pay them right?

[@endamcnabola]

I heard the reason Rise of the TMNT was cut down was because toy sales didn't meet expectations.

[@RYMAN1321]

I never understood that logic. As long as ratings are good, I thought that’s what matters most.

[@AlexP-dz7ew]

@@RYMAN1321 not anymore when streaming exists. High viewership only equals money when ad revenue is considered. In streaming, they weren’t initially selling ads, so viewers didn’t matter, they still make $10/month no more no less. In the streaming model, shows that are cheaper to produce are more important The more seasons a show has, the more it costs to makes because of guild rules. That’s why some shows get canned after 2 seasons or before 5 Animation isn’t cheap, can’t be made cheaper (without a huge dip in quality), and they perceive that audience as less valuable. Maybe now that all the services are switching to ad revenue models things might change, but I’d doubt it. Selling ads for Ozempic to 9-5ers makes more money than selling toys to 6-11 year olds

[@Lulu_Loves_Sheep]

Tbf, from what I've seen.. the toys *were* pretty ugly...

[@mesousagaby740]

What happened to Steven Universe might have happened to Star Vs. The Forces Of Evil as well, BTW. Yeah, it ended, but it sorta had to take a shortcut to it's ending (OK K.O. did that, too), which is why so many people admit that Star destroying magic felt a little oddly sudden. Nefcy and crew have yet to confirm this officially, which is rather strange unless DTA (Disney Television Animation) have a more ruthless NDA on their crew compared to Owl House. I dunno if it's because the Star Vs. crew are more shy to talk about it or Disney are still keeping them on a leash.

[@ethansanchez6267]

Star destroying the magic was always meant to happen but it felt more rushed because they didn't have enough episodes to build up thr good and bad effects.

[@mesousagaby740]

@@ethansanchez6267 They kinda squeezed two seasons worth of episodes in one.

[@PeridotFan64]

imo the star vs. crew only has themselves to blame for that. at the time, star vs. was only the third dtva channel to get the honor of a fourth season, the only other too being kim possible and phineas and ferb. furthermore, no dtva show would EVER get a fifth season until phineas and ferb was revived in january 2023, and while star vs. was popular, it wasn't "breaking an unwritten rule not even p&f couldn't" popular. simply from the rarity of even getting a fourth season alone, they should've known it would be their last, and planned from there

[@mesousagaby740]

@@PeridotFan64 True, although you could argue they planned waaaaaaay ahead and got too confident. I didn't mind the ending that much, so it's whatever. I appreciate your mature response.

[@Rozemyne2314]

i lost my fcking mind when inside job got cancelled

[@RYMAN1321]

That example is why I always say to never end a season on a cliffhanger. Because you’re never truly guaranteed more afterwards.

[@talegamer1310]

same

[@cactus8254]

As a fan who tailored on her senior year high school jacket a figure of Reagan Ridley, the cancellation of inside job still boils my blood to this day. Fuck Netflix for that one, me and my friends were loving the show.

[@talegamer1310]

Same

[@donovan802]

I saw Dana post some artwork of Luz in her titan form on her Instagram during the anniversary of The Owl House finale, and it made me wonder if she's willing to go through with the spin-off idea she hinted at in the finale or maybe a book series. _Gravity Falls_ wasn't the first show to make immediate selling books based on it, but I'd say Alex was easily one of the best show creators to influence others to capitalize on the idea, if not for the fact the journals and the show as a whole had far more secrets we didn't see, which is what I'm glad Bill's Book will expand on. _Amphibia_ effectively mirrored it when Matt released Marcy's Journal, so maybe Dana might do something similar. Maybe more insight to how Luz, Gus, Willow, Amity and Hunter spent their time in the human realm, them during the time-skip in the finale, Luz's a college life in the Boiling Isles. And yeah, we have famous comic creators like Moringmark keeping shows like TOH alive by touching on those scenarios, but it wouldn't hurt to hear different perspectives either, especially since - like Alex with Bill's Book - I think Dana would get (and definitely deserves) a lot more freedom with what she can do; she could go all out with her horror, and it would be just a great (imagine Odalia getting burned at the stake or decapitated on a guillotine)

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

Usually it’s either entitled fans and/or corporate interference

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

He forgot the life and times of JUNIPER LEE, a show that was like CN’s Jake long American dragon

[@sexy1018]

I like that this video goes back years prior, to show that cancellations are not some new phenomena. It's always been executives. With that said, with shows like Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Scott Pilgrim anime, Blue Eyed Samura, Kipo and the Age of Wonderbeasts, Invincible, and upcoming shows like Batman Caped Crusader, Among Us animated series, Dead Cells animated series, it's good that animation is still going strong.

[@Artist_Unbound]

Remember Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart? That show had the most disgusting treatment by WB/CN. The show was greenlit for a season 2, and the creator kept saying the season was completed, but the studio refused to release it. And don't get me started on Final Space! 😢

[@Fictionalcharactersimp145]

Bruh, PREACH. People NEED to be aware. That's why I try to spread the message whenever I get the chance, as best I can. Also, since youu were asking, the cancelation that hurt the most was Infinity Train. I was with and for that show since the PILOT. It was a huge tragedy, and I also have hope it'll get picked up again, by another streaming service AND for another season/the movie/whatever. The wound is still very fresh on that one, my friend.

[@SilverScribe85]

I question how fans could be responsible for the death of TV animation? Yes, some of these fans MAY have done some weird stuff in honor of their shows (such as that Hunger Force incident that made the news.) But we, the fans, are what give the industry the thing they seem to crave most... Mr. Krabs: The MONEY! Without fan support, all these dumb projects that "seem" to be doing well for companies would die out before taking off. Granted, fan support doesn't ALWAYS bare the best kind of fruit. I mean...how else can one explain garbage like Velma getting new episodes while things like My Adventures with Superman, Unicorn or even Moon Girl are STILL left in the dark for renewal (let alone premieres for their new seasons.) My point is fans don't ALWAYS bring harm to cartoons, the companies that make them share SOME of the blame as well. Look at how greedy Zsaslav is getting with his write-offs and all the poor decisions Bob Iger has been making. It's high time for new blood to take the reins of the studios...people who understand that while expensive, animation is a KEY COMPONENT of media that deserves more attention. But that's just me

[@Tre_ovo]

These newer generation of kids are literally called tablet and iPad babies who tf is really consistently buying toys past the infant and semi toddler stages blaming lack of toy sales for canceling shows is ridiculous

[@nykole1963]

I still want more Mao Mao. That one is depressing. Got the same shit as Infinity Train, but that at least got to finish its story. Mao Mao was just beginning.

[@gundambassexe31]

29:25 I missed infinity train season 1-2 , never saw s3-4 unfortunately… and never picked up the DVDs either 😢😢😢😢😢

[@catholiccontriversy]

"Friday night death slot" doesn't make sense for kids shows. Friday night is the night where kids DON'T need to go to bed because of school the following morning, and likely don't have an after school activity (I didn't know of any sports or clubs that met on Friday night).

[@RYMAN1321]

Don’t most schools have football games on Friday nights? Mine did

[@catholiccontriversy]

@@RYMAN1321 maybe for highschool, but for elementary and middle (the target demographic) Friday and Saturday was wide open (for me at least).

[@JustEpic_Yt]

@@catholiccontriversyI can confirm this lol

[@linniancauldwell948]

Until we're down to 2 affordable streaming services to watch nearly everything on, I'll still be sailing the cyber seas.

[@bluboy4ver2]

I feel like executives do not understand that Children of the 90’s and 00’s are now adults who watch animation. They still believe animation is primarily for children. If Spider-Verse and X-Men 97 hasn’t taught them yet that not everything needs to be a live action adaptation that sour fans on IP than I don’t know what will. Netflix seems to be the only studio that realizes that there’s a broader market for animation than just small children.

[@kaekaesam6240]

I’m still sore from the Final Space cancellation!!!😭

[@RYMAN1321]

Isn’t that getting a graphic novel for an ending though? If so, it’s at least *something* to wrap up the series.

[@Windylinx]

Thank you awestruck for your amazing videos bringing to light and giving a voice to the animation industries struggles. Your so informative and uplifting! 😊

[@delix787]

Static shock was also canceled because of toy sales. 😢

[@GemCB7]

The health of a Fandom TV show is related in the way how marketing is maneged. Is not fandom's fault at all.

[@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks]

nah,fandoms are the reason death threats of other fans happen

[@triadwarfare]

Do you mean Fandom the company?

[@skelebonez1349]

⁠@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucksyes, that may be true But it’s also how the shows handled in a sense Whatever the show or anything does effects how the fandom is

[@GemCB7]

@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks a mid true Im talking about sauces and pickles. (I mean, Warner directly ask to McDonalds to re-launch that sauce only to made money with the wallet of narcissist geeks) You need to be careful before enter in the Hype Train .

[@GemCB7]

@skelebonez1349 that's a true, specially if we talk about marketing and plot narrative... but let me explain. Yes, here come a wall of Text: I'm not saying the story is the problem, but the lack in the presentation of different perspectives. Not everyone understands how Shakespeare's Stories are , actually, a collection of tragedies with the purpose to not fall in the same disgraces of the character's. -and , when people forgot it, usually run in a tendency to "celebrate" that self-destructive behavior - In the other hand, the companies try to not add more perspectives, they want to keep the merch under their control (they need a "demographic target") -Rick and Morty have a Geek/narcissist target, Steven universe have a LGBTQ/Social target ...- Its not wrong at all , they are doing their job (they need the money to keep the production) but an aggressive marketing could be volatile-Warner didn't put a man on a McDonalds table screaming about a sauce... but they launch the sauce... Warner didn't send a Girl to a suicide attempt... but made a ship war until they made an apology of a few character's under a development process (The crystal gems are, in fact, Toxic. And Steven, slowly, help them to change and become in better people) Was not a good moment to made a ship marketing between Amethyst -who was not in her best moment- with a war criminal under arrest and cooperation agreement (aka: Peridot).

[@christiannunez814]

The cancellation really broke my heart has to be the owl house and really really really hope the show can come back in the future please! 🙏

[@HyperWolf]

I freaking miss The Owl House. 😢

[@jturner2577]

​@HyperWolf The Owl House needs a revival that explores the gap between the end of Season 2 and start of Season 3.

[@RYMAN1321]

Is it really fair to say it was “cancelled” though? It got a proper and satisfying ending, something many other shows didn’t get.

[@matheydrayconquerer1739]

Its the suits 100% theres not enough people pirating shows to cause cancelation

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

He forgot the life and times of JUNIPER LEE, a show that was like CN’s Jake long American dragon

[@bentennyson2726]

they keep canceling all these good pieces of western media but renew rick and morty and family guy clones for 2nd seasons

[@wander1139]

honestly the young justice being season 3 and 4 felt like weird tangents the creators got a new season they could have wrapped up the show and made it feel complete instead they focused on all new characters that no one really cared about that had very little to do with anything that had come before

[@yami6259]

I'm still off put by them making Aqua Lad gay all the sudden and hooking up with his old Crush's boyfriend who is also suddenly gay. It came out of nowhere, felt rushed, unnecessary and Tumblr fanfictiony like Korra ending up with Asami. And before anyone says I'm homophobic, I'm LGB and I find the token representation in these characters to be asinine just as much as I find the LGBTQAI creators and show runners shoving LGBTQAI into every aspect of the show to the point that's the shows only identity to be equally off putting. Can't we just have good shows with well thought out and earned character development and no agenda driven bs to impede the show's quality?

[@roxycauldwell544]

The fact that indie animation is exploding right now is the absolute debunking of this argument, considering indie animation is a lot of times partially fan-funded. The cancellation of shows is little more than smooth brain corporate chess.

[@staticplays1871]

shoot this really sucks since they can't go indie. I would really love to see a less restricted version of most of the shows.

[@EdwardSanchezProductions]

I feel so bad for the people who work on these shows

[@anneonomous4910]

All of the people commenting off of the title instead of watching the video is crazy 😮‍💨

[@BlakeytheG]

I watched you so much through highschool With your Steven universe predictions and finding ur content again is so comforting

[@nalanhazzard]

No the ceos are killing cartoons

[@crimson_soul71]

Agreed

[@McDonaldSeele.]

Mhm exactly

[@kaekaesam6240]

And yet booing Pibby out there!🤨

[@dragontales1999]

Hey y'all remember Dragon Tales?

[@Boi2yearsago]

That's why I watch hentai now 🔥🔥🔥💔💔💔

[@anthonyluclarocque1765]

With the pricing for streaming services and cable at some point piracy is Justified

[@yami6259]

Until both cable and streaming collapses and there is no more content to pirate

[@ryanmatthews3609]

what about satellite tv?

[@lillordakira9752]

If the networks and companies just listen to fans' feedback for once, then they won't be too cautious for new original content instead of reboot any IP for profits only.

[@arcanineryu]

This is what happens when artists dont get ownership of their work. Shareholders simply lack the passion for a craft and pride in a product nessasary to have responsible leadership in their role.

[@uncleshrek3614]

Buddy, if Fans were the people that are killing cartoons, Spongebob would be over with just 2 seasons😂😂

[@xdevyartsx]

Young Justice was cancelled because of no TOYS??! Are you serious?? Young Justice is too mature to have kiddie toys. And it eventually grew up the show up by aging the characters and making it more violent. I feel like this is just an excuse now. 😡 I don't think anyone would watch it just for the toys.

[@rayshawnwilliams5673]

right

[@theravenpirate4744]

It's such a dumb reason, I don't know they ever expected toys to pay for that kind of a show. Young Justice is the show that got me into DC Comics but it didn't make me interested in buying toys of the characters, I just wanted to see their adventures

[@rayshawnwilliams5673]

@@theravenpirate4744 ok

[@skyenight-by8yh]

I tend to digress since it depends on the type of fans rather than the fans themselves. Seems like it’s more about the profit and the moolah than it is about *actual* creativity now with cartoons. I mean, have people seen shows and movie franchises that get milked so much they become a shell of what they once were? There are some examples of such.

[@sinedddmk8996]

You watched the video? It seens you didnt, but yeah it is clickbaiting into thinking that way.

[@ego-lay_atman-bay]

I am in a bit of a grey area when it comes to supporting piracy. I will watch shows legally if I can, such as if it's on disney plus, netflix, or hulu (in disney plus), but if I can't watch it legally, but I still want to watch it, I pirate it. I would much rather watch shows legally, as that supports the creators, rather than me pirating it, which does not support the creators. The only exceptions I have, is if new episodes are coming out on tv, but not streaming, then I pirate the new episodes. Sometimes I pirate shows just so I can watch some cringe show without showing that I like it (or I don't want other people to see that I watch it). I personally pirate bluey, only because the austrailian version is better than on disney plus (as disney censored many things). Overall, I'm ok with piracy, but if I can, I will try my best to watch things legally.

[@HYPERLLAMAS64]

I LOVED Infinity Train Season 3. I bought DVDs for seasons 1 and 2, but I can't find 3 anywhere! I want to support these shows, but I can't!

[@JustEpic_Yt]

I’m lucky I started watching like a couple of months before it got purged off of max. I would like to own book 1 & 2 but the fact that I can’t get book 3 (my favorite) is kinda upsetting to me

[@Make2wo]

To me these cancellations are victims of a monetization problem. The companies and producers can’t figure out a new way to recoup their money from the cost of making animation. Back in the day animation was on local television essentially free, at the cost of ads. These companies also had toys, merchandise and physical media to gain profits. All of which these companies in some way crippled. They went all in on cable and then streaming so much so there’s barely any animation on local television. They depend of paid services to make money. I haven’t seen any advancements in physical media because the focus is on digital media. Digital media is fleeting because when the company owning the media go away so do your purchases. I dislike having to compare anime to western animation but it has to be done. Anime is respected as a medium of its own but also used as advertisement for manga, merchandise, games, toys, physical media and more. If companies of western animation just put hopes of profit on a table with a singular leg such as a streaming service, then they should be prepared to eat on the floor.

[@RhiKlowho]

Looking to Anime to solve the cost issue for western cartoon isn't going to completely help. Anime often isn't just isn't profitable. Its not uncommon for anime being created to advertise the source material to just get a single 12 or 24 episode season even if there is a desire for more, this isn't an uncommon issue for popular shojo series. Anime studios and productions are often more ruthless when it comes to cancelling shows than western sources.

[@jimmyphelps6037]

Man I’ve never even heard of Symbiotic Titan and that came out during my era of CN

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

Have you heard of the life and times of JUNIPER LEE, it was a show that was like CN’s Jake long American dragon.

[@jimmyphelps6037]

@@jayjaybulldog9180 yes i have

[@nyrvajeudy394]

Everyone's ranting about how cartoons got unjustly screwed over, meanwhile I'm laughing my butt off at bootleg Mickey Mouse over here 34:57

[@Yukosan13]

I hate when CEOs cancel a cartoon because they aren't selling 😒 merch. It's total bs.. As there's US laws against using cartoons to sell children's products (It was established in the 90's that kids were too vulnerable to the old 80's brainwashing of using cartoons to sell toys and junk.. so cartoons had to be educational or not have merch) (Which is probably why we don't see much merch or networks break a law) Of course, networks didn't completely follow all standards and guidelines. But it did lead to the slow decline in Saturday morning cartoons so government has power Course, a show shouldn't disappear just cuz it can't sell a toy.. especially if the show is surprising very well written and would teach more than terrible cash grab shows.

[@Jules416]

The cancelation of The Owl House shattered my heart, but it made me even more determined to watch it on repeat! To stick it to the executive that had the nerve to say, "It doesn't fit the brand." I told friends to do the same, and they were totally on board❤️‍🔥! I'll hold on to the hope of more TOH content in the future❤

[@xanderfoxjsc]

When it comes to most shows it's a disconnect between the fans and the funders. Shows live and die on mech sales and when the merchandise your offering doesn't connect with your biggest demographic you fail. This is why terrible shows can thrive while great shows can die. The terrible shoe's merch connects to it's audience, while the great show's audience has no route to support it. Some blame can be placed on corporations funding shows that aren't financially viable because of the audience it targets. Their some groups of fans who can kill a show because they expect the show to continue with out having to support it. The "I like this show so it should be free" additude can infect a fandom. To be fair few of the shows in this video suffer that, or the "this should be free" fans are a minority.

[@PurH662]

Can I say we can’t trust these corporations because they’re greedy; selfish; can’t be trusted with anything if I ever want to make a show I gotta go across overseas for a company to buy my pitch show

[@ryanmatthews3609]

like outside of hollywood?

[@lenardbordo9838]

Glitch Techs and Mao Mao received no support whatsoever from their respective networks either. No commercials, no toys, no marketing, nothing. Yet, both of them enjoy a pretty great popularity and seem to have a strong fandom. And yet, both of these shows have a (theoretically) upcoming season waiting to be made, yet nothing is happening, leaving these two gems floating around in limbo/development hell.

[@CynthiaMcG]

No. Fans aren't killing cartoons. Studio executives are.

[@Nanokoex]

I personally beleive the cancellation of cartoons comes from the companies not knowing what they had or the cartoon ot really being as great as everyone said.I still beleive steven universe got all those season not from kids watching but adults watching(spoilers those adults dont really buy the merch)

[@CRETRofdaNITE]

Opening the video with the main menu music from DBZ Budakai 2!!! Kicked my ADHD’s ass. I’m no longer watching in picture and picture. You have my full attention.

[@arbhall7572]

No. The fans are never the problem. They spend money unlike everyone else in the conversation. And that makes them the customer and the customer is always right in matters of taste.

[@SloanTheOtaku]

Yo this video was fire, I wouldn’t mind more longer uploads

[@austinmorrison6953]

No the networks and producers are killing cartoons. Fans are what’s keeping cartoons alive

[@dylansmith9317]

My guess is that cartoons are getting axed because of these new company heads not respecting cartoons the way the old ones did, and that they love live action so much more than cartoons.

[@shadowmist9093]

They need to bring infinity train back

[@luluziy]

All those cancelations/script changes are the reason why, if i ever create one of my projects, it will be 100% indie, even if i need to do it alone. You just cant trust corporations with your ideas these days, and it shows.

[@dcobbjr1106]

Blame capitalism. Not the fans.

[@jasonkoroma4323]

Capitalism is how your favorite series was able to be produced in the first place

[@SkaTuneNetwork]

I find it so funny that these services are so quick to jump the gun cancelling and rely off nostalgia. Some of them were the pioneers in the 90s investing long term into creative minds and giving them freedom to create a generation of iconic series. Not to say there would’ve been an exact repeat of the 90s, but no serious can even begin to live up to those iconic levels without the room to grow. And the series that have (adventure time, Steven universe) HAD THE ROOM TO GROW. You’d think an executive would be smart of enough to read the fucking room. Maybe give a show a chance to grow and make it easy to watch. Literally all they need to do.

[@aisadal2521]

Sure, blame the fans, and not the corporate jerkwads looking to make a quick buck by exploiting animators and outright cancelling shows because they want an immediate payout/popularity boost 🙄

[@Galaxxi]

I want blood for what happened to Infinity Train lmfao. Legitimately one of THE best animated series of the last 20 years, and barely anybody knows about it, and it's not available for streaming anywhere...

[@KTF0]

CEOs just try to find reasons to cancel shows. Whatever target audience it doesn't grab they will use it as the reason to cancel it.

[@jayjaybulldog9180]

The executives wants to put the blame on the type of viewerships as a way to make up an excuse to cancel the show if it’s reaching the kind of viewers but always want to target 2-11s instead for all ages

[@dungeondude0729]

This is why I sail the seas because companies have why to much power in the streaming space like most things I watch I wouldn't have watched/found if it wasn't for sailing the pirate seas. Also it's a good place to find a lot of old cartoons that either don't have a space in the streaming services. Like back when I watched Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Regular Show and alike when it was airing there was some key episodes I missed which I was only able to figure out because of pirate places that have all the episodes in one easy to watch place

[@TwinRiver100]

32:18 i ended up on HBO Max becasue DC Universe got deleted, so I was grandfathered in. and loved seeing all the Cartoon Network stuff there and esspeically Infinity Train and Close Enough

[@ZeepAtomic]

Same here. I remember being so upset watching the HBO Massacre happen. Went from the best streaming service to a reality TV shithole with some Warner stuff scrapped in.

[@calvinboucher5741]

Final Space getting purged was a big turning point for me that began my process of getting desensitized to abrupt cancellations. I’ve never vibed with a show quite like I did with Final Space. The show had a decently sized fanbase that was growing at a steady rate with each season and with season 3 the show had felt like it reached its full potential despite the executive meddling with previous seasons only to be canceled on the worst cliffhanger I’ve ever seen in my life. It’s hard not to feel bitter towards everyone I knew who never gave this show a proper chance because the viewership wasn’t the reason it got canned but it was never a mega hit like Rick and Morty so they decided to write it off for tax purposes. On the bright side tho it is getting a graphic novel finale hopefully sometime this year but I really wish the show got to have a complete 6 season and a movie run like Olan Rogers had planned.

[@RYMAN1321]

This. Final Space is a prime example as to why one should never end a season on a cliffhanger, because getting more afterwards is never a guarantee. But as you said, the fact it’s getting a graphic novel to wrap up the series is at least *something*.

[@dragonhead99]

How do we save animations from studios canceling them without care?

[@alyssastern6073]

I was using this as background noise to study but I got to into it and infuriated.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

'Reads Title.' No, Executive Fuckery is. LOOKING AT YOU DAVID 'CALAMITY' ZASLAV!

[@ZeepAtomic]

He started it.