The Broken Champion that Brought 200 Years of Terror to League of Legends

[@birbattack3024]

"That's caitylin, now varus, switch to caitlyn again, now he's jinx." yo wtf

[@johnpauljonesisabadass8134]

That's much better than saying the weapon names tbh

[@sonchaeyoung2433]

Sivir's Chakram

[@matthewtan4361]

@@sonchaeyoung2433 ash is chakram

[@pine9974]

@@matthewtan4361 ashe is gravitum cause it has a passive slow

[@matthewtan4361]

@@pine9974 I think it’s more like both because chakram for ash q and gravitum for passive slow

[@crimsonpotemkin]

*Aphelios pentakills your team* Rito: I think Azir needs another nerf.

[@CedarTree-h9f]

Well now that’s samira

[@gamerplays5131]

@uwau He can still dash to lane so we need to remove his skills so he can't do anything

[@jamescalder5115]

@uwau We have changed his soldiers into living wards, they can get vision but can't actually attack

[@ryugaroxas]

And Kalista too . U know the lady from the undead land

[@giomongta6961]

Aphelios got 10 consecutive nerfs lol

[@potatoguygabi9464]

the caster at the beggining "I dont know i didnt code this champion hes broken" XD

[@Ace-vr9fx]

that would be atlus an LCK play by play caster

[@griffins750]

And the guy with him is LS

[@DJTOM_]

He’s an Aussie lck caster

[@BedroomPianist]

Don't blame us programmers for the ungodly messes that our PMs and team leads plop on our plates! :P

[@edwardlygma2683]

​@That one man who makes shit posts on the daily. but yeah aphelios was to strong but BUT after few nerfs he was balanced but after this...he was nerfed 10 times

[@The73MPL4R]

Me: "Surely Riot has learned their lesson and won't make the same mistakes again" Riot: *releases Samira*

[@zk9506]

Samira is fine tho, at least her range is just the NORMAL adc range and not THIS FKING BROKEN SHIT range.

[@ItsMorbinTime03]

She just can snowball really hard and you cant do anything about it in low elo

[@Epolusgaming-gl2wn]

@@zk9506 bruh first day release was nerfed

[@viktoriaschmied6627]

@@zk9506 "fine". I see you haven't seen the new season yet.

[@zk9506]

@@viktoriaschmied6627 Sounds interesting . I will try to get my hand on it soon, bet she gonna get another nerf, alongside with some new items

[@tristanwilson5253]

"Riot took a big risk releasing something new with Aphelios. After all, Riot can't release the same kind of champions over again" Riot: releases Seraphine

[@wuzzyyy_]

Literally Sona mixed with ahri

[@thekirbycrafter7229]

Can't have unique champs. Too broken or crap (mostly the former). Can't have similar champs. hurr durr they run out of ideas. Some people man. No wonder the community really hurts the game sometimes. Can't please anyone. (Also this isnt inherently directed towards the OP just a notion ive noticed from the community as a whole)

[@Johnjohn-lg1te]

@@thekirbycrafter7229 just see seth. he is fine. or lilia.

[@maxeisenach1771]

@@thekirbycrafter7229 These are different people saying these things. If a certain group of people wants option A, and another want option B, then there will always be complaints. You can't expect the entire playerbase to agree on riot's champion design philosophy.

[@viktoriaschmied6627]

@@wuzzyyy_ clunky Karma with Sona style you mean. She really feels more like a very, very slow Karma more than anything 😂

[@kwartzu1095]

Before i learned how to play against Aphelios, he got nerfed to the point noone plays him. Problem solved, thx rito.

[@joshaltea]

Unfortunately he’s lowkey busted again

[@abrorkosimov9724]

@@joshaltea how so?

[@chaoticxie1425]

@@abrorkosimov9724 he got a buff recently, he's still good.

[@froximussx4093]

@@chaoticxie1425 No i have to disagree. The only significant change on his ult was Severum's Healing as its more reliable now. He got nerfed so much you ACTUALY cant do dmg and cuz of his reputation you just get permaganked, lose lane and comeback is near impossible with all the nerfs. First hand experience

[@ig1948]

@@froximussx4093 "can't do damage" my 11/5 KDA would disagree with you.

[@TheEspartan017]

Its insane it actually took you 200 years to do a vid about the aphelios problem lmao

[@midcamper9626]

He isn't even a problem anymore lol

[@jorgecalvillo8655]

@Testigos de Kojima he is perfectly fine Right now, but kiddos like to cry about 200years cringe meme

[@A.Froster]

@@jorgecalvillo8655 Getting nerfed into oblivion now equals fine. The truly 200+ years meme is used for a reason lol

[@TheEspartan017]

@@leonthorn8735 He try yet he fail lmao

[@andji3882]

@Testigos de Kojima you don't play the game it seems so you shouldn't say he is fine, he is pretty much unplayable like varus since half of the season

[@Ridghost]

"Is experimentation worth breaking their game in half?" Let me introduce you to the new item changes lol.

[@theholymoose1208]

Literally hate this new item update hope the games player base fucking dies and they revert it back to old items I personally quit just because I don’t really find these new items enjoyable

[@mosqou]

@@theholymoose1208 I disagree I think new items are fun but not balanced.

[@panobato5984]

@@theholymoose1208 it's like the first week of preseason, give it some time, you'll get used to it before you know it

[@Kanekixghoul]

I think that the idea and stuff was nice but the items are just completely imbalanced

[@Braums_crotch_poro]

@@theholymoose1208 lmao were you there for the runes rework

[@links-gut-versifftergrunme1809]

9:31 _"[Riot] can't design the same kind of characters after all."_ Riot: _"Hold my Sona 2.0"_

[@LesserLordKusanali]

They have similar skill effects, but VERY different playstyles.

[@មាសមុនី-ណ1ធ]

@@LesserLordKusanali YES finally someone with the same opinion as me.

[@Kaminex]

both sona and seraphine plays almost identical to each other. you have to land your most important CC aka ult. you are backline supporting the team with shit ton of damage if you build AP. only difference is sona is single target burst while seraphine is aoe bursts but at the end both does the same thing.

[@LesserLordKusanali]

@@Kaminex Sona is an enchanter support, Seraphine is a midlaner. Different playstyles, different character design, only similar abilities

[@Kaminex]

@@LesserLordKusanali enchanter is a champion role and midlaner is a player role, two different words. but then again that arugment is flawed cause seraphine is an enchanter too and she can be played as support exactly like sona. only valid arugemnt is the character design. sona is based on music while seraphine is based on idol fame.

[@Urbanmember1]

"had some clarity isses" Dude, clarity is dead. Along with "strategical diversity" and "risk vs reward" or any other design philosophy Riot told us they adhere to

[@dhfjskrutie]

Says clarity is their priority and then releases Storm Dragon Lee Sin whose Q looks like an Ezreal Q

[@SilverGV]

0:03 "Aphelios was broken" Sums up his whole kit

[@peterthepanda5191]

Roll credits

[@eugene12310mobile]

*chuckles with Samira*

[@veretxnerd983]

Noo you can't explain his whole kit in one sentence

[@noodles7422]

@@eugene12310mobile Samira isn’t even close to aphelios

[@eugene12310mobile]

@@noodles7422 oh, she exceeds Aphelios by quite a mile. She is insanely strong and has insane comeback potential unlike Aphelios which feels dogshit behind. All Samira needs to get back into the game is a Collector item and a decent teamfight

[@FIFAFootballer14]

I just picked up Aphelios very recently, and I love his kit so much I plan to probably main him for a bit. I didn't play the game much at his release up until now so its a shock to see this video.

[@hollovknajt5577]

same

[@ItsVab]

How did that end up going for you?

[@King-ic2ll]

@@ItsVab well its not going good atm ill tell u that cus i started maining him around that time as well and hes... not doing too good

[@howelljamescabungcal3742]

So guys do you have any tip for learning aphelios. I’m trying to learn him because i got his skin spirit blossom in the box.

[@FIFAFootballer14]

@@howelljamescabungcal3742 not really, he's kind of unique. It comes down more to getting used to how each weapon interacts with each other and timings between switching guns or moving on to the next gun.

[@Eruerucamicaminono]

"Maybe pro players from LPL and LEC can figure out how to play against him." *shows a clip of LCS DIG v GG*

[@alex2005z]

Update: aphelios is still played a lot in pro play, still cant be nerfed

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

It took you 200 years to fully understand his kit too

[@halfsugar9427]

Once u understand it, it only takes u one hour to main him tho. He's such an easy, but broken champion when he's released, as long as u finished reading that fking long essay about his abilities.

[@trantuan1120]

I got m7 on him with 50k points while not fully understanding his kit at all.

[@quitspoem8651]

The DaVinci code as a character

[@phatle8948]

@ฺ Well its not like you can do that anymore

[@spunkysamuel]

It's literally not hard to understand him

[@stefanosskourtis881]

He actually isn't that difficult. Lemme explain his abilities. Calibrum: pew pew from the other side of the map Gravitum: where tf do you think youre going? Infernum: PENTAKILL! Severum: tower destroyer Crescendum: tower destroyer vol.2

[@DaveRuben7]

Ultimate: PENTAKILL vol.2 with a hint of "where tf are you going"

[@SHIRAORI_NOUSAGI]

Wow thanks I climbed to bronze 3 thanks to your explanation : )

[@lukki4117]

@@subhanvasanth8292 you missed the joke

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

That's the problem, you can't balance league around mechanical difficulty because league mechanics are just easy as hell. This isn't guilty gear.

[@chipiegg1466]

@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz i'd argue that league mechanics are not necessarily extremely hard but there are so many concepts and mechanics you need to learn that if you release something mechanically unclear then the community can't handle it, cause you have to remember you need to learn how that champion acts against like 30 different adc-sup matchups

[@ellmuffin]

One shots entire enemy team from full with one button: “You just haven’t learned to counter him yet.”

[@tingispingis]

*gets pentakill from mashing buttons* "Its okay because he's complicated and hard to play and takes skill"

[@xy769]

@@tingispingis *RANDOM BULSHIT GO*

[@PeaneutzTV]

Yeah could have dodged that game BRUUH!

[@GaryOaksEgo]

He said he was balanced after nerfs not on release

[@LelouchV]

Around death dance change he was balanced ... one shoting entire team was on release

[@gabrielehu3157]

these esports stories are getting really good, a lot of insight and it's always nice to see LS clips. It's pretty much how i experienced this champ from proplay

[@oZybero]

What's dumber is the dev who said the 200 years of collective experience in the first place.

[@teamsabre4]

Dumb dev equating the game's popularity to the how good they are at balancing the game lmao.

[@JoJoSulyvahn]

the 200 years meme actually originated from when they reworked aspects of Wukong. And really picked up steam after the dumpster fire that is Aphelios.

[@christopherbradley7149]

@@teamsabre4 That’s not what they meant by 200 years 😂 They meant, collectively, the time spent balancing across all of their balance team was 200 years But obviously 100 workers doing a job for 2 years is not the same as 1 worker doing a job for 200 years, which is where their dumb logic falls apart

[@stan2139]

To be fair he did give us a good meme

[@memesinc5852]

Riot buffed Wukong and gave him 2 ultimate casts which put his winrate up to 55% in toplane and jungle, making him the highest winrate champ in the game. Everyone wanted it reversed, including the wukong mains. But riot told everyone to get fucked and the 200 years meme was a side effect of that.

[@forhax4794]

Okay So, I recently picked up Aphelios and he easily became one of my favourite champions because of his kit. And personally, it is not as complicated as people make it seem like. I pretty much understood what he does after 3-4 games and soon learnt deeper mechanics to carry games further. In fact, I can now tell what an Aphelios does if I'm matched against him. Sure, I might have a lot more to learn, but he isn't too difficult to understand if you've played him

[@imminotaur400]

its more the fact that he requires a long, albeit simple, explaination that people just end up saying 'champs too complicated' when they just don't read what the champ does

[@rangered_64]

@@imminotaur400 The best thing that players in to do is just play a couple of games, when he was released, he became my second main champ, and he's not really complicated and with the recent buffs, he's honestly a viable B+ tier pick

[@SahilP2648]

@@rangered_64 nope he is S tier if you know the rune and item combos plus when to do what. After mid game you can literally clean out jungle and get massive amount of money for that extra damage. Aphelios snowballs like crazy after a point. And he literally destroys lanes too. He gets 3 basic attacks on top of his already high attack damage and attack speed. Each wave gets destroyed within 4 secs.

[@jamesfitzgerald8267]

Honestly I find Draven to be harder to play than Aphelios.

[@thendar823]

I remember a time when Riot was able to make new champions good to understand, fun to play AND fair to play against. Hot fixes were always a thing but these days atleast every second champ is just a block of text which needs a PhD to understand

[@nu_kercat1]

one new champion ability description is longer than entire nasus kit description lmao

[@pantmagk3362]

200 years of broken client

[@PeaneutzTV]

The story of the worst client ever, the one that could never be fixed.

[@kimjongwoo8219]

Destiny 2 client: let us introduce ourselves

[@vitoyin5544]

Why can't they learn from steam client?

[@Ezwari0r]

@@kimjongwoo8219 I just played destiny again yesterday and my weapons just glitched and I couldn’t do any of the newer stuff cause my item level was 0 lol

[@kimjongwoo8219]

@@Ezwari0r classic destiny 2 servers XD

[@mathijnverkerk2420]

Best part of the video is LS talking about Aphelios.

[@BadatStuff]

I like how when he was first revealed, the reactions were: "seems like he'll require a lot of skill" "no mobility on ADC, weak champion" Well we saw what happened... Then after all the nerfs to make him almost unplayable in soloq they release Samira

[@ig1948]

He's still pretty strong tbh. He's considered A tier for pros. But your ultimate won't get you a penta automatically anymore. And you usually won't survive a 3v1 either unless you're like 20/3 and your enemies are like 2/11 but yeah he's still very strong and the new shop has also kind of buffed him a bit.

[@BadatStuff]

@@ig1948 Key here is soloq vs pros This preseason is all whack (as usual), but in the weeks leading up to worlds, he basically became Azir tier: Workable for pros in coordinated teams and proper teamcomps. God awful in soloq Yes, in pro play, he could work very well with a proper teamcomp, and as a good counterpick vs certain teamcomps as well such as close-quarters heavy teams But in soloQ, this guy was stupid hard to play with one of the lowest winrates in the game. 99% of the time your 4 randoms are NOT going to make a teamcomp built around you, nor will they want to play around you. They will play their mains/comfort picks and will play accordingly on their own

[@Cocoleaf731]

@@BadatStuff he's not even that good in pro lmfao, he was barely picked and everytime he was picked he got dunked on

[@TheTrueEnderLord]

@@ig1948 Aphelios' winrate dropped by a whole percent from the shop changes but preseason has just started

[@ig1948]

@@TheTrueEnderLord well when I play him I feel he's even stronger so I dunno

[@krausercruz2780]

Imagine if Rammus or Malphite were reworked when this was happening "Hey, heard an AD carry is bullying you"

[@massimosoreca3575]

Rammus W intesify

[@MastaPhil666]

Rammus in 11.6 "Make make make make make make make make make make make the ground shake!"

[@Sammysapphira]

This is what happens when you have a game designed around strengths and weaknesses, capability and incapability; and then you release a hero that can choose to do anything. No matter how low numerically the numbers go, being able to adapt to any situation is incredibly overpowered.

[@martinkodet6429]

It can be done though. In Dota there's a champion (Morphling) that can drastically reduce his max hp to get very high attack speed, damage and physical armor. If done correctly you're almost unkillable, but if you mess up you get one-shot by a support.

[@revimfadli4666]

@@martinkodet6429 he might be able to do multiple things, but not at once And focusing on one leaves you weak at another

[@luna775]

This is what happens when you design a game around selling you champions and try to make relatively easy and so "accessible" that when you do something different it breaks, you cant nerf to oblivion the thing you are selling and the skins than come with it by extension. Most of the time i wonder what the devs do other than work on the next thing they will sell, lots of champions neglected in kits, skins and balance regarding the new ones. Any competitive game has characters with balances, strengths and weaknesses, i used to play dota and even if the game is less player friendly and a bit more complicated i dont know why but valve manages to balance things pretty well, tbh lately i ve grown frustrated with league and champions like this one is a constant problem.

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

@@luna775 In my opinion League is much less player friendly, because much more toxic and much more unbalanced. Or you mean "player friendly" by the mechanics of the game and the complexity ?

[@slavchems4759]

@@martinkodet6429 a lot of people just hates high risk high reward characters, and it doesn't only plague the moba genre, take wingman from apex as example, it's a low fire rate high damage pistol in a game where everybody moves at lightspeed, if u hit all ur shots, u can deal tons of damage, but if u miss a lot ur fucked, despite having a high skill floor and ceiling it has been nerfed so many times due to ppl complaining about it

[@Dahras1]

I just want to point out that Aphelios isn't necessarily difficult to play (or at least he wasn't around release). All of his abilities and guns synergized together so well that you could kind of just use them all and get value. The biggest problem was that he was insanely difficult to play *against*. Because none of his guns had significant weaknesses, but every 2 weapon combo had a different "I win" sweet spot. It meant that you had to constantly be keeping in mind what could happen to you, through a wall of poor visual communication. A lot of the power of Aphelios was situations were, for example, he'd drop out of one weapon into Calibrum/Infernum and suddenly your whole team would have to scatter to avoid being team 1 shot by his long range ult burst. Like, it's okay for Oriana to have that kind of ult because when you play against her you know to consistently watch out for it. But against Aphelios, you never know what his advantage state is. EDIT: I just want to point out that this is why I think it's okay that Aphelios got Olaf'd. He just wasn't healthy for the game. If pro player cannot figure out what the hell a champ is doing, then his visual communication is bad. And if a champ's kit is so convoluted that improving his visual communication isn't possible, he shouldn't exist. Period. Aphelios needs a rework.

[@regalvas]

He was (and still is) difficult to use. You don put 10 games and undertand the combos and from them is improving execution and micro plays, he needs many more games to get while spending a lot of time seeing all the interactions and what you could or should do. He was insanely strong and has a high skill floor and one of the highest skill cealings.

[@peekjz145]

Ya aphelios is not really hard to play at all once you understand what each guns does. Their abilities just overlaps to each other with his Q. And yes going up against aphelios is really taxing due to you needing to know his rotation of guns and keeping tabs on his ammunition. For his visual cues, I think the best thing Riot can do is actually change the look of aphelios as a champion. It would actually make him look cooler as well, similar to how kayne looks different from his blue and red form, aphelios should have a certain look for each gun in which should be flashy with the corresponding colors of the gun that he has on his hand.

[@sonixka257]

The problem with him is that they had a plan and they didnt do a great job of it. The goal was to give him uniques with each gun like aoe dmg or healing or long range for safety or cc or kind of assasssin playstyle but the problem was that it didnt matter what u choose bc u will win either way.

[@dzubmariner]

@@peekjz145 yeah he isnt hard to play..u dont need really high skills e.g. zed or akali or irelia. the learning curve is understanding his kit. iirc they wanted an adc where u didnt necessarily need high mechanics but game knowledge to outplay..they overtuned that

[@augusttambourpetersen9221]

@@regalvas He has a high skill ceiling yes. But he has an extremely low skill floor. I got 145k damage in my second game as him a month after release with two pentas in D1 elo on EUW.

[@dfsempire2712]

Is there anybody else who doesn’t play every game the score esports but love the videos

[@Cap981]

Actually i dont play any of the games they make videos about. I just like the content 😅

[@DAnderMcSullivan]

The only game I actively play they cover from time to time is Smash. Still watch most of their videos.

[@TheJerbol]

I've never played CS in my life but enjoy highlights

[@Alucard2091]

Their researchers and narrators are always top-notch even establish publishers nowhere w/ theScore esports output.

[@mcgeison]

Well, i'd think that's most people right? Hardly no one plays every game they cover. I play Lol/Cs/Rainbow6, but never played Smash, and haven't played fighting games like Tekken/KoF/MK in over 10 years.

[@ChickenSalad001]

Your most likely to introduce "power creep" with every subsequent hero release.

[@generalians]

there is power creep and then there is purposefully trying to sell a busted champ so riot makes a quick buck and then nerfing into unplayability once the money has been made. its not something new

[@gastonzamora4985]

@@generalians its a bit of both, and the biggest issue here is that they purposefully release OP champions because otherwise they would release with a 41% or less wr in soloQ, at the same time, once time passes by, this extremely complex champions dont really succeed in SoloQ and only some of them succeed in proplay, this is because doing anything complex in soloQ tends to backfire a lot, thus why champions like Janna, Alistar, Syndra, Jax, Amumu have always have good or decent winrates through 10 seasons of LoL, they are simple, easy to execute, of course you will find your batch of onetricks that have thrown countless hours into learning 1 champ and will clap anyone who steps in front of them, but sometimes u cant 1v9. Power Creep has been generated just because the game keeps growing, and new champions cant have the same kit as older champions but with different names, you dont want a second alistar, a second syndra, etc. Players want something new, something clever, but old champions deserve to be reviewed at least once every 2 years to be sure that their kit isnt completely obsolete. There are champions with simple kits that are extremely clever creations, and the first one that comes to mind is Singed, his kit is literally, press Q and run around, but his gameplay is so unique, from proxifarming to teamfight approach.

[@nutsostoik6231]

I feel like its inevitable, games like this will always have a power creep and props to the dev team they actually made an interesting champion in League that is comparable to Dota 2's Invoker. But heres the thing, Ophelios would've been fine as he is if only they would actually buff the older champs. Not necessarily a rework but removing arbitrary limitations. Like for example, why does attack speed can improve Graves' reload speed but for Jhin can't? There's a ton of shit like this in league which in my opinion why the older champs can't keep up with the newer champs. The new are always going to be stronger, interesting and free unlike the older ones.

[@gastonzamora4985]

@@nutsostoik6231 because atk spd increases jhins AD

[@PeaneutzTV]

I agree, by trying to create new and fun mechanics, Riot are (volunterarly or not) introducing powercreep(-ing?). The best example for me was the rework of Aatrox. The champ was like a weaker version of tryndamere that couldn't really find its place in the toplane nor in the jungle, the pick was really weak, totally ignored aside from some OTP's and didn't really fit anywhere in the meta. Then one day they totally reworked him (more like introducing a new champion) in a 1v9 unkillable Riven with a built in GA and Death Dance. For this one time only, I think they really tried to give the champion a new kit without selling skins (I am looking at you Akali, Evelynn, Ashe...). The pick was god-tier for a long long time and destroyed the balance of the game and competitive play, just like Graves and Nidalee are right now. In the end, the balance team are just shifting the meta on a whim, for skins, for diversity or just because they don't have a clue of what the frick they are doing.

[@campionedi1764]

“DoubleLift had to give his team a Ted talk.” Jesus Christ

[@hannahvillares3029]

😭😭😭

[@ethanwinfield4641]

The broken thing about aphelios is hes actually quite simple with some games played on him. Managing what weapons are the most optimal for a teamfight isn't even that difficult with the ammo system, you can just press q to cycle faster through your weapons. You also have to know what the best weapon combos are which is also easy because theres really only like 4 of them. The hardest thing about this champion is positioning without mobility and not getting one shot.

[@sanketower]

Riot after designing Samira: *There is another one*

[@brandonatherton]

At least you know what samira is going to do and can attempt to play around her kit and counter her. Kind of hard to counter a ranged Udyr who doesn't telegraph what he's doing other than a small weapon in his hand. Like I'm expected to pay attention to that and be able to see it in the middle of a fight?

[@sanketower]

@@brandonathertonThat's bs, people that didn't read Aphelios won't read Samira cuz of the same reason: they think every champion should be comprensible just by looking at them. In reality, most champs have their kits hidden. Did you know Zed gets 2s off from W CD when he hits a champion with his regular E? Did you know Orianna only gets more magic dmg with autos when attacking only the same target? Did you know W or Zhonyas increases the active time of Vladimir's Blood Rush Q? These are things that matter, but people refuse to read. You can imagine what people will think when they see a champion with walls of text obliged just to know what he's doing. After I read all of his abilities and interactions, and played a couple of games, I understood what he does and it was also more visually clear. Samira is not much different, people who don't read just see her dashing and throwing Kat Rs all around.

[@syedferoz2188]

@@sanketower atleast aphelios can be cced and doesnt have a 360 ult that resets every 3 sec with a free windwall on top of a sp helping her

[@asyncxeno]

Seriously why does that ult have no cd? Getting S is easy as fuck so it's basically an ult with 10 second cooldown or even less

[@fitmotheyap]

@@sanketower all the things you mentioned i knew just from playing and watching videos. al tho samira ngl isn't that broken CC = samira is a free kill

[@lawrencegalliguez915]

Eats poison: Suddenly dances with random weapons appearing in his hands.

[@tdpro3607]

eat cräck

[@TheJimmyG91]

@9:32 "they can't just design champions with the same kits so was this filmed before or after Seraphine?

[@Baykko]

You forget Lilia and Yone

[@lordpaulphilippfernandez9904]

@@Baykko Yone is Yasuo'a brother in lore, so it's understandable that they both have similar kits.

[@brandonatherton]

@@Baykko Only Yone's Q is the same, and it's fine since he's a wind samurai too, like it's supposed to be basically the same. Still a bit different since his forces him in, and he doesn't have the hyper mobility or safety net either. He's very different, if visually similar. Like I despise Yasuo but enjoy Yone, as a bruiser main. Lilia is very different as well. Her q is again similar to Darius, but no healing, and everything else is pretty unique. Seraphine however has insane overlap, and that's why she's not okay. It's one thing when it's one or two abilities PARTIALLY, but another when it's like 2/3rds of someones entire kit, and 1/3 of anothers, lol.

[@TYFLOL]

this comment needs more love haha

[@jagosvujovic2086]

i mean sure aatrox/riven and yone/yasuo have some very similar abilities in their kits but they play completely differently and have completely different playstyles (riven and aatroxs e and q might be similar but their w's are completely different, same with yasuo and yone and their e's)

[@floreaciprian9742]

People complaining that Aphelios is crazy complicated. Me who played Invoker for 5 years: wtf are these ppl on about? Try rotating through 9 active spells with different cooldowns, without a predetermined order, oh and also try having 3-4 active items as well, oh and also a refresher orb (item that instantly refreshed all your cooldowns, both spells and items) oh and most importantly you need to press 4 keys in order to create a spell at a 2 sec cooldown. Yeah really tricky this Aphelios. P.S. I am also playing a ton of Lol and love both games

[@AwesomeSaucearn]

3 years after this video came out. I'll have to say that to this day, Aphelios is still the most fun champ to play in League imo.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

Aphelios was the result of the most ass-backwards logic in competitive game design history- he was designed to be as weird and different and complicated as possible, like a champion from an entirely different game, but was then made _intentionally overpowered_ on the absurd assumption that "He's so hard to play that nobody will be able to master his power fully, which will keep him in check". And then of course the people _who get paid money by Riot themselves to play the game for a living_ mastered his power fully and he wrecked the professional scene (not to mention the higher tiers of the ladder, where dedicated amateur players are almost as good as pros) and Riot realised they'd made a huge mistake. And then Aphelios got the Irelia treatment. Honestly, what did they expect when they designed a champion who literally _had everything_ except mobility (and he's far from the only ADC to lack mobility)?

[@AjayKumar-ht9pk]

Well it ain't new and RITO did it again with Senna and Samira, so just sitting here waiting for the next broken adc to be released.

[@ArcaneAzmadi]

@@AjayKumar-ht9pk OK, Samira I can see, but Senna...? Yeah, she's weird and different, but not complicated at all, she just has bizarre AA mechanics. They didn't try to gate her power level by her difficulty level the way they did with Aphelios.

[@AjayKumar-ht9pk]

@@ArcaneAzmadi Senna is broken in a whole different way than Aphelios, she is just a stat stick with a cheap build, peel, stealth, healing, cc, ability to make cross map plays built into her kit by default. No wonder all pro leagues were trading Aphelios/Senna every game to have a chance. When was the last time u saw an adc going umbral+manamune and still criting like a beast in teamfights.

[@AwlrightProductions]

Reminder: Senna was supposed to be a Support champ. NOT an ADC.

[@janellandrea]

@@AwlrightProductions no, she was supposed to be viable on both roles.

[@idkidc7513]

While the aphelios discution was the reason behind the "200 years" meme, the thing that makes it going on was (and still is) the riot desing team being brats who've made little to no change in the direction of champion balancing prior to their release. The same thing has already happened with Samira.

[@KevinPoulsenFrndz]

I’ve been doing a road to all mastery 7. And Aphelios’ mastery 7 was one of my favorites and also one of the hardest i’ve tried atm.

[@the_jones528]

I went bot as him for a week and kept getting my ass beat. I know how to play him, I'm very comfy with him, but all the other ADC's I play against know how to abuse me. But I decided to go mid, change my runes, change my build, and on my past three games, I went 5/0/12, 12/1/10, and 11/0/7. If you know how to harass him, he is trash. Wait for him to hit Q, and once he does, POUNCE HIM! But if you're like me, and take your sweet time and make good decisions, the enemy team will eat your shit. I'm a proud Aphelios main.

[@user-sd5ko5so1v]

After 11 months do u still play him?

[@arthurfernandes3256]

And now cut to season 14, where Aphelios has a 47% winrate in soloq because Riot needs to keep him "weak" for the general players so he doesnt fuck up the competitive. And as an recent Aphelios OTP i think it's totally fair, the champ is busted

[@Notaverybrightperson]

"maybe players in soloq just don't know how to fight him" I remember in D1 we were against an Aphelios this was super late in the match I was Olaf that had Triforce and Thornmail and Randuin's my irelia had the same main items, The Aphelios had no last whisper item all crit and just death's dance, we caught him in river and were on top of him only to get melted and see irelia do miniscule amounts of damage. I was basically all armor with frozen heart and He just melted both of us by just standing there and autoing us. That's when I knew Aphelios was hands down busted

[@mrbucket9552]

“Aphelios is not alone” _Samira adc raping the enemy jungler, mid, toplaner 1v3 in the background_

[@xRevTheoryx]

Immortal shieldbow samira flashing into 3 people and facetanking their damage while doing 2k damage with her r and healing back to full

[@eazy2195]

How come champs like Kayn, Darius, Garen, Yi , Katarina, Yasuo, Riven, Yone get to 1v3, yet when an ADC does it its broken and oh my god we need to nerf this. I swear people just want the adc to be a free bag of gold to pick up whenever you see them, just had a game where Kayn killed five of us 1v5 , TWICE, he got 2 pentas in a row. i've seen Riven and Darius do 1v2 and 1v3 like its nothing, but oh god an ADC that has to auto 3 times in between using 3 abilities to activate their ult that can be canceled by literally any cc other than slow? OP!

[@distractedstoner684]

@@eazy2195 exactly, they hatin on adc, why is it okay for a top or mid laner to 1v4 but it's not when an adc does it

[@eazy2195]

@@distractedstoner684 idk man but i stopped playing the game cause of that bullshit, when i saw Udyr getting most damage done by building ONLY tank items, i knew that the game just doesnt work. In what world does a full tank build outdamage full damage builds, you dont get punished for anything, you get hooked? Thats a free dash into the enemy team, you get stunned? You just saved your supp by eating that cc, literally no skill high reward champs all over the place

[@E_Hooligan]

@@eazy2195 are you bronze?? Since when does Yi 3 v 1 against 3 champions at once? He just needs to be stunned for literally one second and he dies.

[@aphelios6415]

... (After my numbness) Shall we talk about INVOKER? I am nothing before him.

[@killingthejoker3274]

guess he didnt get 9 nerf in 9 patch like u. and his playstyle is understandable

[@boringjakeee]

At least it is possible to predict what invoker cast next depending on the situation (at least for me)

[@killingthejoker3274]

@@boringjakeee yeah pretty sure he gonna cast tornado into someone's RP or chrono if you ask me Totally predictable

[@dorukayhanwastaken]

League is faster-paced than Dota 2. You'll hit your item spikes before Karl. Go farm and farm and farm and then fucking nuke his Ancient from the lunar orbit.

[@MagnusInternals]

“Is experimentation worth breaking their game in half?” Meanwhile item changes kekw

[@TheRealFoop]

I'd love to see more creative champs, and less overtuned champs. 4 skills is plenty if 1 of them has nothing comparable to it in the game. Rito is stuck on the same stats; range, lifesteal, damage, movement speed, etc. There are SO many other neat things to add beyond mixing those 4 skills in the same ways over and over.

[@alex2005z]

Well now you have gwens w, viegos passive and akshans revive. Happy?

[@TheRealFoop]

@@alex2005z I think there is still room for improvement overall, but yes, those are much better than a lot of what we've been seeing. Gwen's W doesn't strike me as incredibly unique, but good enough I suppose. Viego's passive is not wildly different from Sylas, but again, no complaints here. Akshan's revive is cool, although it kinda feels like a tacked on afterthought. Not perfect, but ABSOLUTELY a step in the right direction in my view.

[@alex2005z]

@@TheRealFoop viegos passive was a good idea but its more of an ult reset than anything

[@hendriesantio8825]

I think thats the main foundation of how LoL champs are designed.Less strategic, more action, its hugely opposite of dota logic on designing new hero

[@MinhMorningstar]

Riot should have asked, "do we have enough brain cells to balance this champ?"

[@AngbangCorp]

And the answer is, clearly, no

[@rafaeleduardodukondukon1009]

Aphelios:200 years of terror Samira:are you challenging me,boi?

[@TYFLOL]

I think Samira is way more balanced, I'm really excited to see how if she will even be played professionally haha

[@calronkeltaran493]

200 years of Terror... thats cute... ever heard the tragedy of 97% pick/bann Kassawin?

[@cusrsedstuff8043]

as of now I think aphelios is the best designed champ in the game

[@Rikamiza]

Yes agree. He now needs actual skill and knowledge to be useful and it feels so rewarding to be one of a few who actually plays him. Also i love that still the most people doesnt know what He does, wich is another factor to me, why hes so fun. Love people pinging questionmark when u pull of some tripple gun combos and they doesnt know how they died 😆

[@michelbruns]

its insane, absolutely insane how long riot needs to balance new champs

[@luna775]

They wont nerf what they just sold to you, plus they plan for skins for the new champions too, its always the same thing tbh.. frustrating

[@wladynoszhighlights5989]

@@luna775 And why do they nerf unpopular champions over and over again until they lose even more popularity ?

[@livingreverie5951]

A year of everyone realizing ADC Is a role

[@INick4]

I love playing aphelios currently, but man... if only i found his kit fun to use when he was still concidered a good champ.

[@alethebest837]

Riot Games: "Ofc this is op and we can't balance him. Let's make him a stone that doesn't do anything at all." The only way they can balance is destroying their champs. Like for who remembers Azir.

[@data1509]

That’s what really annoys me, I sort of mained him causally and I didn’t know about him one snipping people at all so I’m surprised but rlly this is true, I’m not sure if the buffs to Aphelios put him back into the meta but honestly riot should stop releasing champs so early and do their research on them first.

[@charjc9817]

@@data1509 Try this build: Tiamat, Runaan, AtkSpeed Boots, 2 crit itens and one Lifesteal item. Basically you can go from 100hp to Max life + Max Shield by pressing R with Red gun. If you hit blue gun ult in 4+ poeple it can do up to 2500 damage in everyone. And White gun is broken with Tiamat, It never looses it's stacks... I tested It out some days Ago, not sure If patched

[@danklek4889]

remember Kalista ? Literally season 4 200 years Champ she was so OP she lost 10% of her atk damage and a lot more. Shes 6 years old and broke the game.

[@data1509]

@@charjc9817 I will

[@fitmotheyap]

@@danklek4889 i do

[@rafaelpasia9770]

Only OG players will know how powerful Kassadin was during S3 and early S4 even named him "Kassawin" that is why it reached 95% of ban rate. IMO Aphelios is nowhere near Kassadin during its prime but it just took 1 year to fix him. Just sharing guys no hate, peace .

[@adamahmad1883]

How powerful kassawin was?

[@helenawells3869]

@@adamahmad1883 he had 95% ban rate and 2-3% pick rate

[@littlegirlshowSynch]

Kassawin was definitely worse, it was essentially Dota 2's Storm Spirit being in early League, long before it became "League of Mobility". The inherent concept of the champion completely broke the game.

[@MrGetownedLP]

7:51 "I STOPPED SHOUT-CASTING" LOLL, love Quickshot

[@GreyIsolet]

Crazy how after this, we have champs like Viego and Ksante

[@henryon400cc2]

Aphelios be like : Caitlyn range, ashe slow, vayne attack speed, and TWITCH ULT RANGE. ( except you just had to press R )

[@ammarmohamed3583]

"they can't design the same characters forever" Samira , a hybrid of kata xin hao... Lillia , a hybrid of neeko hecriam darius ... Seraphine , a literal ctrl c ctrl v of sona I think riot should just stop adding new champs cuz clearly they cant make new , fresh ones And if they do we end up with zoe and aphelious...

[@CeIles]

Idk how people still say Seraphine is the same as Sona. Yeah their abilities might look similar on paper, their play style is actually drastically different

[@ammarmohamed3583]

Seraphine is just sona but requires just a little bit of extra thought to optimize her But her kit is still extremely similar to sona They could have just reworked sona

[@A.C_B.]

And a few months ago riot released a roadmap, that they want to put out 6 champions per year. Every single year, 6 new Champions. Meanwhile the massive item changes of the current preseason will probably create a broken mess which will take at least 6-12 months to fix, and another year to actually be fun to play. They should really look towards slowing down the expansion of this game, and instead focus on creating a fun and balanced experience, while slowly shifting resources to other games. Season 10 was really fun to play. I truly don't understand why they are doing this.

[@hansimgluck6789]

also there are so many champs that are unplayable because there are so many better options.

[@redpanada7211]

@@Anh2k5719 Except with their community they are losing more. S8 Was the best season. Now I'm just debating on quitting just from this pre-season

[@Danceofmasks]

I hear ya, but new content is what brings in the revenue. The game has so many paychecks to write now, they literally can't afford to slow down.

[@pierrehun93]

To be fair riot released new heroes every 2 weeks during season 1 and 2 for a while. That was the time when heroes like riven and talon appeared, and while I agree that they are not the most balanced champions in the game, their kit stood the test of time remarkably well. I don't think it is the time requirement that hinders champion planning , but the fact that with this many champions already in the game, originality is more and more tied to complexity which often ends up resulting in overloaded kits

[@OG_ALviK]

@@pierrehun93 riven is actually a shit design. They wont buff her because onetricks will demolish evryone in challenger and maybe some in pro. And right now shes like dogshit, 45% wr lmao. But still in high elo people demolish with her. So, shes fun and all, but you either ontrick her or just dont play her. There's no in between.

[@Soul303_]

The cause of Aphelios not being nerfed or fixed in any way. It's because he is a very complicated champion to use and understand, also he is very banned in high elo like platinum 1 and above. And on low rating or on servers where the gameplay is not that competitive. It is preferred to use champions that are easier to use, for example. Vayne.

[@akouto2086]

and now aphelios sits at a 40% wr as the worst ADC in the entire game lmao

[@ImHolyJester]

Pretty sad...

[@INCNetski]

"Aphelios is too complicated" Laughs in Invoker

[@MadDogCommunity]

but invoker makes sense and is relatively straightforward to understand at a glance and isn't 'uhhhhh but if you're in red weapon uhhhh ultimate ability does big blast but only with blue weapon lifesteal ten quid' lol

[@nekorisakirisame1323]

injoker aint complex my guy, its just memorization. 200years atleast requires alot of planning ahead and pretty advanced game mechanics meanwhile injoker blast+meteor, someone got close? ghostwalk and sunstrike for ks.

[@CosmicSoul609]

"Every champion is Unique" , but yo Aphelios is the uniqueness of 'Unique'

[@olegsander_2493]

I personally adore Aphelios. His uniqueness is what makes it so interesting to play this character, and I think that most of his power goes from people that don't even bother to read what this champion does and how to play against him

[@fcasias7]

The main problem with Aphelios is clarity issues. Sure you can recognize what his main weapon is, but that requires paying a huge amount of attention to him at all times. But the offhand? It's pretty hard to spot and has an enormous impact. Now if his weapons came in a set pattern it's not a big deal, since you could memorize the pattern and combos, but he can swap them on the fly and change it up. Even nerfed he suffers from this lack of clarity.

[@benh.4304]

Watching this shortly before Hwei is set to release, feel like it’s about to be deja vu

[@bigchunk1]

I laughed at "one-shot entire teams". I never thought they would release a champion like that.

[@KC-sb9np]

And now him and Jinx are the only adcs everyone plays

[@shandyhamak4661]

That hairline also giving me 200 Years of Terror

[@skillless_]

For a person who just started playing league, watching pro matches looks like that thing that happens when you rub your eyes too hard

[@malarapollus8127]

legends say aphelios didnt get any buffs since then

[@easylivinglife6284]

Ok wait Samira can melee, ranged, and AoE and entire team with a 360 windwall but Aphelios cant do dmg cuz noobs dont get him?

[@shooflies]

A lot of the reason new champs get "out of hand" is because people lose matches against them and go straight to the boards. Honestly, its hard to tell what's OP in solo queue because people will blame EVERYTHING before they take any responsibility in the mistakes they made. Samira's not even really that hard to deal with either. Honestly I see so many people that have no idea how to play their lanes. They just do the same thing over and over and hope it works.

[@sirmatic2776]

The "Aphelios isn't imbalanced, it's just people doesn't play against him correctly" argument can also be said about Samira because there are many people that run into her Q, aa (Combo Builder) attempting to one shot her or shut her down with abilities

[@chaptermastermoloc4171]

So how do you deal with Samira?

[@Baykko]

The only thing that comes to mind is hard CC, something that she won't see coming like Lissandra ulti or Malzahars. Her barrier skill can negate even auto attacks but from all directions which is stupid.

[@sirmatic2776]

@@Baykko Yea although her character design reference to Devil May Cry is sick, her overall influence in the game is yikes :/

[@tpalabra6568]

@@chaptermastermoloc4171 She has a very mediocre laning phase. Coordinate with your jungler or counter pick into something with strong early trading or poke. She falls off without a snowball, so shutting down her pre 6 is how you deal with her. Can't talk about preseason though, haven't played against her with new items so rn I have no clue tbh.

[@primpan2532]

That argument can go to darius too. No one will ever engage on a darius who has his passive fully stacked but having that in mind doesnt make him less op. He’s been the best soloq toplaner for pretty much the entirety of 2020. Samira is just as broken and has been one of the top adcs in the game since her release

[@mrwholesome2182]

So thats why TSM lost worlds 0-6, they were to busy trying to learn aphelios they forgot how lillia works

[@gabrielpasteur3693]

And now Aphelios receives a BUFF

[@igorbatista2808]

Still don't see what is so complicated about aphelios kit.

[@hashteraksgage3281]

He isnt complicated to understand or play. Only having the right guns for teamfights. He was hard to balance bc he has a lot of different numbers on each q and ult, and as the video said pros picked melee teams vs him.

[@hectales]

i play Aphe a lot and what i can say sure not the best champ BUT in late game he is still VERY good but an other problem is NOBODY especially your supp dont understand this champ at all and it can lead to a losing bot lane. Even people shit on you because you play this champ in champ select and says it's garbage blablabla. but anyway i ll keep playing this champ, he is fucking amazing to play :D

[@joaopinto267]

9:40 with all the new season stuff, thats a good question

[@kyoyeou5899]

Damn! The coldzera part was insane!

[@hazard9528]

C O L D Z E R A A W P J U M P

[@eazy2195]

I just love the fact that champs like Riven,Yasuo,Darius,Yone,Yi,Sett,Trynda,Kat and many more can and have been doing the same shit that aphelios does for years, and no one, literally no one bats an eye, it's like oh it's just Darius, he's supposed to 1v5. Or that's just Tryndamere, he's supposed to auto you twice and kill you. But when an ADC became strong then all of a sudden it's a problem. Now i'm not saying Aphelios wasn't too strong when he came out, but just look at the comments, people commenting on Samira, a 47% wr champion, talking about her being busted. And why is she busted? Cause she's almost as strong as a top or a mid laner, except not really cause a top laner is still 4 levels ahead of her. There's literally nothing that Samira can do that Katarina, Yasuo, Yone or Riven can't

[@thevioliniststhumb4796]

One one hand we have chad designs like aphelios. On the other hand, we have seraphine

[@RussianSpy4632]

Ah yes where it all started. The first champ iteration of 200 years.

[@vrez114]

Playing against him is more confusing, no one has enough time to look at his dam gun during fights. Playing him is fine if put efforts into it

[@ashtron8781]

Don't mind but Looks like ur in bronze buddy....

[@vrez114]

@@ashtron8781 if you think he's hard I think you're the bronze one here

[@ashtron8781]

@@vrez114 I never said he's hard xdd, I'm a mastery 7 aphelios with 300k points in gold elo...

[@vrez114]

@@ashtron8781 Good on you "GOLD" seems like a big deal

[@blushingralseiuwu2222]

@@ashtron8781 Wow!! Amazing!! High rank on LoL, what an amazing achievement!! -said nobody ever

[@giuseppeceravolo7453]

An adc is broken People: 200 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Broken! Nerf!!!!! Every single mage or tank is broken People:

[@rurisuoh7919]

I love how they talked about Phel as if he's some serial killer hahahhahaha

[@Ep1cXp4nDa]

4:07 Aphelios was so strong, he could kill baron twice.

[@ayooludipe3493]

3yrs later say hello to hwei🤣🤣🤣

[@Cameron00]

Hot take, aphelios wasn’t that unbalanced he was just perfectly suited for the meta in which it was common to play against 4 melees who could be kited easily

[@TheDreamLeaf]

As someone else mentioned: One shots entire enemy team from full with one button: “You just haven’t learned to counter him yet.”

[@izuize]

Oh beatrix.....nvm

[@kingdeath1007]

4:03 Aphelios how many years? 5:04 I do not code the champion 9:37 is experimentation worth breaking their game in half?

[@keennickolas8575]

"sniper-rifle that let's him marknthe enemy and shoot them from ANYWHERE ON THE MAP ..." Riot: "I don't see any problem here."

[@ozianin7389]

theScore esports with Internet Explorer vids.

[@khirsah666]

The scene is so empty right now, they don't have anything to make video about, so after some clickbait and streamer videos about basically nothing, they return to the old stuff it seems like.

[@khangto7125]

At least Samira was a broke tier then get one nerf to be a good tier unlike Aphelios who's ate a lot of nerf to become a netrual(My Eng is B rank) tier

[@Rhyolite-hyena]

He actually became trash, there's no balance unless they rework him.

[@austinlabbe9296]

"Terrorized league of legends for almost a year?" My dude, he was op in pro play for like 3 patches lmao

[@SoSheolH]

and then became a c tier adc love him though, my adc main and i started playing after the nerf

[@hansimgluck6789]

he is only out for one year and he was the top adc through the entire spring and through the majority of summer and got picked in worlds

[@Harith01x]

I'm not a League player but I'm interested to know, how long is 3 patches?

[@austinlabbe9296]

@@Harith01x it’s 6 weeks

[@Harith01x]

@@austinlabbe9296 so he wasn't unbalanced after more than a month?

[@akashdatta2002]

i never really understood why they said aphelios was broken, he only got his q to damage, and r, but the scene where he killed 4 player alone, look at the clip, he is lvl 17, killing lvl 14 or so, he is definitely on full build. A full build ziggs q can get half of ur healt, and its his r, i love aphelios, playing against and playing with him, he is unice, needs to be understood.

[@schrodingersgunna6390]

?

[@ghineacatalin9948]

Tbh i ve heard someone say this and i agree with it "Aphelios and samira are what all adc should be like and we just can t accept it".I main kha and eve and from my pov adc are useless,they are just pots of 300 gold waiting to be collected.With the new items it seems like they got some more items to help with getting one shot by literally anyone but it still doesen t seem like enough.

[@leagueplays2100]

*Viego has joined the chat*

[@rimuru1717]

I really liked playing Aphelios, but they just nerfed him to the ground, he is literally unplayable now, dogshit champ now. Death's Dance really gave him undeserving nerfs

[@CatherineTakamaki]

as someone who still plays him occassionally i think he's fine. he just asks for more skill from the player to be more effective

[@chrisbigelow1690]

@@CatherineTakamaki I think aph is fine, but the case is that the other options are much better. I've been playing aphelios since he was released on PBE and he's been fine ever since then. The major problem is that what he can do, others do better.

[@internet_denizen]

everyone whining about a broken champ: viego on release day and in the new gamemode:

[@justanothergamer3675]

he cant pentakill in 1 second.

[@internet_denizen]

@@justanothergamer3675 definitely could including the fact that he could quite literally telelport around, instakill towers, etc he was quite literally *broken*

[@fredericbrychcy1372]

Esport Channel:Aphilios ist so OP Samira:Hey Hey

[@keeperofthehammer6795]

ACTIVE: Jax enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for 2 seconds, causing all non-turret basic attacks against him to be dodged for the duration. Jax also takes 25% Damage reduction reduced damage from all area of effect abilities sourced from champions. Counter Strike can be recast after 1 second, and does so automatically after the duration ends. RECAST: Jax deals physical damage to all nearby enemies, increased by 20% for each attack dodged, up to a 100% increase, and stuns them for 1 second.