These Kitchen Design Ideas Are Just WRONG

[@kitchinsider]

Thanks again for having me on the Live! Always great fun chatting with you and the lovely community! 😀

[@MTKDofficial]

100% I had a great time too!

[@rjones3955]

Mark points out that most of us accept our smartphones, so why not smart appliances? I am hesitant about a smart appliance *because* of my experience with smartphones. They have built in obsolescence of about 2 years, buggy software, and apps that companies can stop supporting whenever they like. There are just more failure points, more ways for it to break. Why pay more for that? Even if it were cheaper, I'd avoid it if I could, because I look for longevity in my appliances.

[@MTKDofficial]

Plus, it's just another thing to be addicted to. Instead of mindlessly scrolling IG reels on my phone, now I'm doing it on my fridge door. lol. Very good input.

[@LynleyMcKernan]

The built in obsolescence and cutting off of app support is such a big issue, and I don't understand why people fall for it.

[@tealkerberus748]

I had a very old ipad and after several years the iOS stopped updating. I guess there were so few of its model still in use that it wasn't worth paying people to keep updating the code for free. Then it stopped connecting to the internet at all. I accepted that, because all the stuff on the internet it needed to interface with was updating and it wasn't keeping up. I could still use it for writing, for taking photos, for the calendar and planner and alarm and a few games. Then one day about the time of its 12th birthday it just bricked itself completely. Nothing worked. Not even the password page to log in. The company enforced obsolescence on a device that I would otherwise still be using now. Don't trust "smart" anything. The corporations that decide how the code will work are in business to make money for themselves, not to make your life better!

[@0HellcatMary0]

A "smart" fridge is a monitor top.

[@imscanon]

I had a black granite composite sink and really loved it. This house has stainless steel and I hate it. Always looks dirty even when clean. The black one never looked dirty.

[@lindaprimm667]

I've always had a double bowl sink but I'm going to transition to a single in a few weeks. If I decide I need a separation I'll use a bowl or a plastic tub in half the sink. I currently use two bowls for hand washing and food prep. I can have a dirty dish in one side and still rinse veggies in the other so I think using a clean bowl or plastic bin for the dirty dish will work. I don't typically leave dirty dishes in the sink but while cooking I like to keep the counter tops clean.

[@Candisa]

My sink situation: 1 large single + 1 standard double: - Large single: washing baking trays and large pots, put/soak dishes before they go in the dishwasher - Double bowl 1: empty at all times to drain pasta/potatoes/veggies - Double bowl 2: soapy water to clean while cooking I would never have just one large single sink, and when I just had the double the baking trays and large pots ended up in the bathtub.

[@MTKDofficial]

Cool. I'm not sure how functional using the bathtub is. but if it works it works. Thanks for the input.

[@Candisa]

@@MTKDofficial It was better than trying to wash oven trays and large stock pots in the double sink, but terrible for my back... That's why I added in the large single, but I still need my standard double as well, maybe I could do with a large single + a standard single if I really had to downsize.

[@FTG2Eli]

The plumbing alone is worth it, but I have a double a sink because the price was right; a brand new Kohler porcelain coated cast iron sink from Habitat for Humanity Restore.

[@trinaroe5132]

In my small not so functional kitchen my two favorite cabinets are my shallow tall pantry unit (two 18” wide 12” deep), and my corner cabinet that has the door attached to the shelves so it rotates with them. The two most functional cabinets in my kitchen currently! I’ve never had anything fall off in 38 years!

[@rjones3955]

Yes, I came here to say that! My lower corner cabinet has the doors attached as you describe, it functions great and I love it. I wonder if this type of cabinet isn't sold these days, because I never hear it discussed and was not able to get it for my upcoming remodel.

[@whiskybrush3219]

I dont think it is made anymore. It is hands down the best lazy suzan ever.

[@trinaroe5132]

That separate tap on your grandmother’s might have just been unsoftened water tap. A lot of rural old farmhouses had their hot and cold taps hooked to a water softener, but didn’t want softened water to cook with due to residual sodium.

[@SharonVonwiller]

My problem, if you need to cook in the oven and you need it to start two hours later while you’re away, your food is sitting raw for two hours

[@imscanon]

Appliances are so critical to the function of your house that you really can't have them going down and not functioning, which is why people are reluctant to have smart appliances. Once you get electronics and computer chips involved, there's more likelihood things will go wrong then you can't function and it costs a ton to fix. For that reason, I prefer simple appliances that are easier and cheaper to fix or replace and just rarely go on the fritz. I like knobs more than touch screens and I don't need an icemaker or water dispenser or my fridge telling me I need more mustard. lol Keep it simple and it'll stay working for ya. And I'm a tech nerd who is all about high tech, even have a degree in computer programming, but there's a place for high tech and a place where simple is best. I've known so many people who have had issues with fancy fridges and ovens and washing machines and it's just not worth the expense or hassle, esp when a freezer full of food is wasted or you can't cook dinner. lol You can't just pop the fridge in the backseat and return it to the store either. If you can't pick it up and toss it in the car or function without it...keep it simple and low tech. You can still USE a tv without the remote or read a book instead or watch tv on your laptop, or use the one in the bedroom instead and you can still function without it, so they aren't the same as your fridge. Go high tech on a tv, it's not as risky. Go old reliable on the essential appliances.

[@MTKDofficial]

You have a very good point, but I wonder if the day is coming when we won’t have any other options except smart tech.

[@imscanon]

It appears to be headed that way unfortunately. The more we rely on Tech the harder it will be when we don't have it. One EMP and it's all over for us. lol@@MTKDofficial

[@jeme7339]

Yes! Simple appliances with knobs are so hard to find. I do not want plumbing in my refrigerator - also hard to find.

[@tealkerberus748]

Australia is developing a reputation for having the strongest OHS culture in the world and speaking as an Aussie, I'm blazing proud of that.

[@trinaroe5132]

I wash all dishes by hand. No dishwasher. When it stopped working 36 years ago I needed the cabinet space more. I also have a disposal.

[@trinaroe5132]

Couldn’t do without my MW!!! Live alone and cook in big batches, then freeze individual portions in pyrex. Reheat in MW all the time. Often use two at once to cook veggies while frozen meal is defrosting and cooking.

[@tammymitchell4332]

As a housekeeper I dislike an OTR. They are hard to clean and they get very dirty there.

[@katiedotson704]

In the mid 70s, I lived in an apartment that had been built in the early 60s. The sink was porcelain on steel with a built-in drain on the right-hand side. The left sink bowl was about 10" deep and the right sink bowl was 16" deep. There was an additional piece that was "rippled" like the drain board and was sized to cover either side of the sink. There was no dishwasher in this apartment, but the built-in drain board would have been over the dishwasher had there been one. I have searched for years for a sink like this. I have a smartphone and a computer because without them, I can't communicate with family and friends or take care of my finances. I haven't had a TV in over 15 years, and I don't use a remote control for anything. I had to pay a good chunk of change for a kitchen range that was well-built and had no bells and whistles. It does everything I want it to. It cooks. My microwave is often in the way when I am preparing food, but to move it makes it inconvenient to use. I am going to remove the little rubber feet, mount it to a piece of plywood, and put low-profile ball casters on it, so I can roll it out of the way when I need the counter space where it normally sits while in use.

[@jeme7339]

Garbage disposal? We have a yard and are able to have a compost bin so I never use the garbage disposal. I would like it gone as it does take up room under the sink. It gets stinky so I run it to clean; it is quite loud.

[@marjoriejonas8299]

Wonderful collaboration chaps, absolutely love your content, looking forward to more please.

[@HelenEttlin]

Full ranges only come in 36” tall. For us short people, a cooktop can go in a lower countertop, while a 36” countertop is too tall for me. I can’t see in a stockpot that sits on a 36” range.

[@kimherben7866]

Sadly, it's too true!

[@tealkerberus748]

Disabled-access kitchens take up a lot more floor space, but one of the features is putting everything essential on an adjustable-height benchtop so that a person in a wheelchair can lower it to their own working height - which means any short person can set it to their working height, or a person with fatigue who just needs to sit down, or even a tall person who needs to *raise* it to their working height. And then the oven is separate, at a middle-height that is accessible from a wheelchair and still not too bad for a person standing up.

[@ninawernick6501]

The sink think tells me you really don't handwash dishes much. Large double sink is the way - one soapy water, one rinse water. And the rest of the time, one sink is the "ok, you can pile dishes here" and the other one is "keep clear for use". This is by far the best way to manage a kitchen where you hand wash only, speaking from my own, and my mother's, and my grandmother's experience. Large double sink.

[@MTKDofficial]

Never handwash. Gross

[@jeme7339]

If at least one is large enough to wash pots and pans.

[@Trenchant468]

Prefer setting in a basin to a log single sink.

[@lisanovich3285]

Sink needs to be big enough that my largest cookie sheet or broiler pan fits FLAT in the bottom.

[@jenniferwood9349]

​@@MTKDofficialsome of us have to hand wash our dishes!

[@HelenEttlin]

I suspect that microwaves will have more functions such as air fry, slow cook, bread proof, etc.

[@HelenEttlin]

I don’t care about smart appliances EXCEPT for the self diagnostic features. That seems like it would save a bunch of money on service calls.

[@libertyblueskyes2564]

Here's the real trend: People are choosing more stand alone kitchen plans, more traditional kitchen ideas and appliances. I think we've become digitally overwhelmed and need a return to simplicity.

[@nadiacoffey2609]

One of the problems I ran into with an over the range microwave is that steam from cooking can short out your microwave. You cannot use it when cooking with steam so it’s basically worthless unless you need to put it there for space reasons.

[@laundrygoddess4]

I've had one for ten years... Lots of steam... Nothing has ever short circuited.

[@virginiahoffman2547]

I grew up with a large single sink and there was no way to rinse the dishes. When you hand wash, need both or a plastic dish pan somewhere and the drain board.

[@HelenEttlin]

Okay, a smart screen that is a good size…recipes that you can see from anywhere in the kitchen. My tablet constantly closes in the middle of baking, driving me mad.

[@tealkerberus748]

Mark rebuilding his mother's kitchen in 3, 2, 1...

[@louise2467]

LOVED this you guys are great together! I see more collaborations in the future. My mom ( many years ago, draughts-woman) was an art teacher and did kitchen design for add on money… I wish I’d paid more attention as it’s really deceptively complex! I wouldn’t give tuppence for a poggenphal kitchen.

[@MrKlawUK]

1m = 1yd. or close enough for visualising; 30cm = 1ft/12in. Standard cabinet 60cm/24”

[@kimherben7866]

I think the double bowl sink is better for conserving water. You put your suds in one side and rinse in the other. For my large sink, I can go to my utility room. We've had septic for 24 years, and have always had a garbage disposal. So I was reading up on all of the corner cabinet options, and the article that I was reading was talking about LED lights that can be triggered by the door opening, so that photo that you had could have the inner light.

[@brophy-zakheim4971]

It is suggested that you turn the oven fan on 20 minutes before cooking! Go Bluetooth connection!!

[@tealkerberus748]

The optimal place for the sink waste pipe is at the back. End or middle doesn't make any difference to how much space it takes up, only the configuration of the storage underneath. But putting it at the back .. that actually gives you more space underneath!

[@trinaroe5132]

That island sounds larger than my whole kitchen! 😂

[@wendycoyne2899]

Building regs in the U.K. mean there is a minimum space between the hob and the extractor, if you put a microwave at that height it would be totally impractical. As a shortie, all of my appliances are under the worktop.

[@henriettaescano7727]

I put my microwave on the shelf above my coffee station

[@trinaroe5132]

He’s right, you do twist your back with that type of corner sink. That sink is one of the biggest reasons I want to remodel!

[@MrKlawUK]

the difference between a smart TV and a smart phone is you’re still with it when you’re using it. Whats the value in triggering a dishwasher/oven/washing machine from your phone? You’ll have just been to it to load it, so either press go or set the timer and walk off. The features just don’t mesh with how you use the appliances in a kitchen

[@MTKDofficial]

True. I think this will become like the quartz countertop industry though. A lot of marketing and everyone buys them, even though they are not that great.

[@MrKlawUK]

@@MTKDofficial I would like smart in relation to energy perhaps. Eg we have a home battery or solar that can generate X amount of energy. But if the oven and microwave and dishwasher all kick in at the same time you’re using more than it can generate. If they talked to each other they could time their heating cycles to ‘smooth out’ the energy use. for me that’d be ‘smart’

[@mirellamatotek4294]

If you are are serious cook, wall cupboards make sense. I would need a butler's kitchen to store all my utensils. My children have left home but I still need the storage space when cooking for crowds. My pantry is chock full. Even my dining room can't house all my crockery, platters, glassware. I would have 2 sinks. A must for those of us that spend their time attached to the kitchen sink. Double oven but microwave is redundant.

[@Bg-xk1uw]

Dark colored sinks = only pretty for the first 6 months. I had a dark blue one. Was beautiful when they put it in. I spent the next 10 years hating it.

[@sherristockfleth746]

A septic tank can have a garbage disposal but it has to be considered before septic install to have an increased tank size.

[@jenniferkannapel9450]

A few years ago I got the glass rinser and I use it all the time. Also love the one large sink.

[@MTKDofficial]

Yeah the glass rinser seems pretty useful!

[@christinapennell5073]

I have a two-sided Kohler sink .One side larger and deeper and the other one about half the size and more shallow. I have a strainer type insert that sits on the right sink edge front to back. Best of both worlds because I can clean large pots and pans on the left and have hot soapy water in it while I'm cooking. 😊Right side with the strainer in it allows me to set rinse items into it. One big sink for me allows too much cross-contamination :(😢

[@lianat2790]

What do you think of steam ovens? I finally have convinced my husband not to install a microwave in our new build. We will have a large pantry and since he uses other tools heat up food he has settled for a small one in the pantry

[@jeme7339]

Aluminum was the (2nd) name used, before it was changed to Aluminium...so I've read.

[@tealkerberus748]

We're looking at the functionality of wall cabinets over the rangehood and adjacent bench space, and it looks like the perfect place for storing all the smaller saucepans and steamers and accessories that we use every day. They're not going to be affected by the bit of heat and steam that escapes the rangehood, and they're best stored as close as possible to where we use them - the stove. The problem is, by the time we put the rangehood 1.8m off finished floor level so as not to inconvenience the taller members of the household, those cupboards are out of my reach. What I need is an electric mechanism that will pop the cupboard doors open and then swing a pull-down insert down to bench height. Does such a thing exist?

[@kristinnelson-patel442]

The only smart appliance features that appeal to me at this point are the ones that diagnose issues and provide maintenance and part availability access. I still hear that the touch screen interfaces are just not as reliable over time as good ol’ knobs and dials. When that changes, then maybe…

[@lindaprimm667]

I had a black sink and never again. Spots spots spots

[@MTKDofficial]

Really!? Good to know. Thanks

[@tealkerberus748]

The comparison between a television remote and an oven having remote control doesn't work. For a television, you bring your snacks, your drinks, your knitting, your favourite blanket, get yourself comfortable on the couch, and then hit play on the remote. For an oven, you're in the kitchen moving around as you prepare whatever dish you're putting in the oven, and even if you do need to pre-heat your oven, that's only a few minutes before you put things in it, and it's while you're moving around doing things in that space. Hit the button as you walk past - job done. You don't save anything by having a remote control on the oven - but the "smarter" it is, the more likely to brick itself so you can't use it at all.

[@bobbert1945]

This was interesting. I have a lazy susan I use all the time, but I might look at a Le Mans thanks to seeing this. And, for no reason at all, here's a brief history of aluminium/aluminum: "When Sir Humphry Davy discovered the element in the early Nineteenth Century, he initially named it alumium, but this version clearly didn’t catch on, not even with himself. This name he derived from alumina, a mineral that only had been named in English less than twenty years prior and was borrowed from the French alum, a white mineral used since antiquity for dyeing and tanning. However, he soon changed it to aluminum, before adjusting it once more to aluminium in 1812. Therefore, aluminum came before aluminium."

[@tealkerberus748]

The number of twitch streamers with twenty or thirty viewers who stream cooking dinner shouldn't be underestimated. Chatting online as someone cooks dinner is part of how people build a sense of connection in the 2020s.

[@camellia8625]

I like the idea of being able to turn an oven on remotely in advance of getting home to bake something. I don’t see the point of a remote controlled fridge or range hood.

[@janicewalby5734]

1/12 Cos just as you fill the sink with lovely hot water, the kids come along and want a drink of cold water!

[@rmakids]

I love smart house stuff but none of the kitchen ones seem useful. The dishwasher and fridge ones i have mostly just push their filters and dish detergent

[@barbaraeaton9266]

What about a wall oven and air fryer. What are your thoughts?

[@MTKDofficial]

Wall oven for sure. Not sure about the air fryer.

[@trinaroe5132]

I wish laminate came in bigger/wider sheets. With my kitchen I have to have a seam even though it is small because of U layout and 7.5’ width, with widest laminate sheet only 5’.

[@barbaraeaton9266]

What is the "sealer"/covering coating for stone like marble? Maybe a future video with any of my questions. Sorry so many questions. I'm benging some recent video.

[@barbaraeaton9266]

Does it change color with age?

[@MTKDofficial]

Lots of sealers on the market. Any big box store would have it.

[@trinaroe5132]

Haven’t been able to watch live for last few weeks so I watched this one later on 2x playback speed (I’m used to listening to fast talkers so it was still all understandable!) 😂 Probably won’t be able to catch a live for the next few months since HS wrestling season is starting and meets are on Wednesday. Will try to catch them later. 👍🏻

[@barbaraeaton9266]

Are single bowl sinks deeper than a standard double?

[@MTKDofficial]

The options for depth will depend on the manufacture and not the sink type.

[@barbaraeaton9266]

What is the difference of a blind corner and corner cabinet?

[@MTKDofficial]

A blind corner is a corner cabinet with one door and opens into the back. Hard to describe. A quick google search will show you.

[@mirellamatotek4294]

What the hell is an OTR?

[@MTKDofficial]

Over the Range Microwave

[@jeme7339]

@@MTKDofficial OTRM?

[@tealkerberus748]

A tap that provides sparkling water is going to do very nasty things to your indoor air quality. All that extra carbon dioxide! We need to be making carbonated drinks less normalised, not building them into our houses.

[@libertyblueskyes2564]

Nicolaas, compost your food scraps. The plumber will thank you.

[@jeme7339]

Does that mean more business for the plumber?

[@stefantrethan]

WTF put the microwave inside a double door cabinet? That some nonsense only a person without a microwave could come up with. Who wants to open up a cabinet every time you use the microwave.

[@maryjanesmith9600]

with a corner sink, only one person can use it at a time.

[@elmohead]

Why no more videos on Kitchinsider channel?

[@MTKDofficial]

He'll be posting again soon.

[@kitchinsider]

🤞

[@SharonVonwiller]

If you’re a chef and cook lots, the single big sink is useless for me. My opinion.

[@edwardcasper5231]

A meter is about 39 inches.

[@cynthiacrumlish4683]

Le Mans….in France! Famous race.

[@kellyh5250]

156"

[@MTKDofficial]

13'