These Pilots Made a Terrifying Mistake!

A passenger filmed the terrifying moment that an Airbus 320 completely missed the runway and you'll be shocked to find out why!
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[@afreightdogslife]

Hello Hoover. As a former B747 captain, we were trained to execute CAT-IIIB approaches, I personally did several autolands in VFR and IFR weather conditions as mandated by the aircraft's monthly requirement - for equipment checking and legalities, we landed many times when others could only dream to land. All we needed to see was one light in order to touch down on a "Zero, zero landing."" The first time I did one of these landings in real ze⁷ro, zero visibility, I remember that we checked and rechecked our equipment so many times over and over, after we were satisfied that everything was set up as required, a tense calm was felt by all of us in that cockpit, in the middle of a German winter night, there we were, waiting to hear the electronic cadence of the altitude alert calling out numbers as they were getting smaller and smaller, a feel of impending doom at anytime, was an awful feeling. Even though we had done this very same maneuver many times over and over, doing it for real, for the first time, takes in a different meaning. Low visibility approaches and landings made from a low visibility approach are something to be done by a trained professional crew and not by the occasional weekend flyer. I still remember when I saw that faint glow of a single centerline light bulb, I felt so relieved and that's when I heard the crew breathing normally once again, as the aircraft's wheels softly touched down on the center of that runway, the speed break handle deploying, the autobrakes immediately starting to slowdown the aircraft. It was a great feeling of success and accomplishment. Yes, it was tense but unbelievably rewarding for us. As always, thank you for posting your videos as they are spot on and to the point. Good job, Hoover.

[@1Aviator71]

The passenger video of the landing demonstrates one last saving grace that did not register in the captain's search for the runway centerline. The centerline is always "dashed" but @9:50 the passenger clearly records the aircraft is flying inboard of a continuous white line while drifting over it and heading off the runway. The edge of the runway and the ground are clearly visible at passenger height. This white line is continuous down the entire runway and had he noticed it, it would have given him the situational awareness necessary to land without incident. I imagine these runway edge markings are standard at any airport where low visibility landings are conducted. This is just an observation and I understand there were a myriad of factors that may have prevented him from utilizing this landing aid, and I am in no way critiquing his performance. The fact that he got out of the weeds and did a go around with one dead engine, landing safely afterward is a credit to his airmanship.

[@walteralleyne534]

This was an awesome recount! I almost felt as if I was sitting in the cockpit during this nail biting experience. Thanks so much for sharing this. 👍🏾 😎 👍🏾

[@afreightdogslife]

@@walteralleyne534 Anytime!

[@MarkShinnick]

Thanks for this, man :)

[@freddielee8500]

Thanks for the insightful comments! Very interesting and a bit scary as well. Nerves of steel required 😊

[@Sushi2735]

As a retired flight attendant after 20yrs I flew with a few pilots with Get There Itis. One I remember so clearly took place late at night in Kansas City. By God, this Captain was landing. He has three missed approaches and we had terrified passengers. The jerk finally banged it to the ground, bounced and then down. Oxygen Masks fell down randomly and some overhead bins flew opted and people were hit with bags and junk, passengers screamed. Awful! I felt as if my life flashed before my eyes. That was the worst one, never forgot that night, happened in the 80’s. Thank God the plane was less than half full.

[@airbuscap]

In the US, as airline pilots, we are so used to CL lights we expect a certain picture out the window. Was lining up on a runway without them once and was attempting to line up on the opposite side edge lights. I caught it in time and was wondering why I had made such a mistake in the first place. It was weird and disheartening. Same runway later was about to do it again but caught it much sooner and then understood why it had happened. It’s easy to see how this mishap could happen if he was expecting a certain picture when he broke out. I’ll definitely be briefing the none/existence of CL lights in the future. Thanks for this. Love your work.

[@patrickscally2882]

Thank you for your expertise 😊

[@thecomedypilot5894]

Yet they still put 100% of the blame on the pilots instead of airline training. Unbelievable.

[@Busdriver321]

Las Vegas doesn’t have centerline lights.

[@jimmiller5600]

This correlates with the problems crews have had with night parallel runway configurations when one is completely blacked out (generally due to construction) and they would either align with the wrong runway or a taxiway. After a couple near-misses over the past decade they've change procedures. My (bad) memory recalls Air Canada 759 @ SFO being one example.

[@mikefendel]

A full approach briefing includes what runway lights to expect. On my 727 Captain rating ride in the simulator back in 1991, I briefed the VASI lights would be on the left side of the runway. My training and execution truly peaked on that day and in the debrief with the Check Airman the only thing he could find to complain about was that the simulator had the VASA lights on the right side of the runway. My IP from the right seat then spoke up and told the Check Airman that the charts in the simulator were wrong and that I had briefed what the chart said but the sim had the lights on the right. Had the Captain on this flight checked the charted lights he would have known that the runway did not have centerline ights. Perhaps it wasn't part of their company procedures to brief the lights but had it been and had he done that this event would not have occured. Thanks for another great Pilot Debrief and I look forward to the next one!

[@aprilfisher8030]

Hoover, you have taught me more about airplanes and flying in a couple of hours than I ever knew in my whole life. Keep up the great work, can't wait to keep getting debriefed.😊

[@pilot-debrief]

Thank you! That’s very kind of you and I’m glad you and others are learning from my videos!

[@catherinehazur7336]

​​@@pilot-debriefgotta say. Your presentations are very comprehensive, chock full of in depth information and to the point.

[@eriklarson9137]

@@pilot-debrief Do you think that is a human?

[@desertweasel6965]

Tell me about it, I'm taking my first flight right now with only his videos for training. I'm heading towards a forest right now.

[@aprilfisher8030]

@@eriklarson9137 Are you referring to me?

[@johnpatrick1588]

To the current and future copilots. Your life is worth more than a job so speak up and act if obvious errors are being made.

[@dermick]

Normalization of deviance. I doubt this is the first time the copilot has seen things that he knows are wrong, but are accepted by the company. Strong cultural taboo for a young person to criticize an older person. Lots going on here, but my takeaway from this and other similar accidents is that you should take the time to understand the airline you plan to fly - what is their safety culture? How do they train their pilots?

[@A.J.1656]

What? What scenario are you imagining risking your life to save your job?

[@mtmadigan82]

I thought this was the entire idea behind crm-crew resource management after a few similar incidents?

[@pilot-debrief]

Absolutely!

[@streettrialsandstuff]

The captain was probably like "I'm gonna land this plane even if I can't see shit, 'cause I ain't no sissy ass liberal. If I die I die like a man" 😂

[@111day1]

I love Hoover’s little head shake during the moment in the vid when the plane smacks the turf.

[@seaskimmer9071]

Funny; I was watching the engine and not Hoover, but I did the same thing .

[@stephenembrey883]

I love your videos and your input to the Aviation community I've been flying since I was 13 years old, I am now 64, I have over 35,000 hours of flying time civilian military etc. I appreciate your input on all these things it is very important to the younger generation. Most every one of these accidents could have been prevented throughout all of your stories as you know, it is so wonderful you point them out. You flying for the Air Force for a long time, myself as well we have lost many of our wonderful buddies due to Unforeseen strange circumstances, and it is never a single thing, it is a bunch of bad decisions is minuscule as they may be but when you put them all together prior to a flight, it can easily be enough to wipe you out. I know you have lost many friends of yours And I have also, I really appreciate you getting on a roll to try to help keep people in a wake up mode so stupid decisions can hopefully be prevented. You do a great job you really do a great job. It is highly possible that I could have been one of your instructors Wayback in the past, no idea but keep doing what you're doing, very proud of you!

[@patrickscally2882]

I thank you for your service to the country and bravery.. My dad flew a Mustang over Europe when he was only 20 fighting against Hitler😮

[@majorp7967]

Thanks comrade, totally agree.

[@matbasterson520]

I retired from the Air Force as a Weather Forecaster. I have been a civilian Aviation Weather Observer for 15 years at our local airport. We maintain the Weather office hours the same as our ATC. I have been a part of several Aircraft Mishap investigations providing a Special Observation and archiving weather data ahead of and after the mishap. I love your channel, this video in particular was incredibly interesting.

[@kaptainkaos1202]

Many years ago I was a Naval Aircrewman on the Navy P-3 and was stationed at Patuxent River, MD. It was winter, after dark and weather was rough. Clouds were thick with heavy rain so the pilot opted for the controller calling altitude and bearings. I forget the name of that type of approach. I was sitting on the radar cabinet behind the pilot in command so I got to see everything. We’re defending thru the crud it’s some very light turbulence. Finally we get thru the clouds at about 300-500 feet AGL. The copilot calls tallyho on the field and says he’s the field for a visual approach and turned to the left about 30 degrees. We could see the lights in front of us but as things got clearer we could see lights under us. White, red and green lights. This was the main road coming up to the main gate off our base. About the time the tower radios to ask why we turned the pilot in command called GO AROUND! Yea, power lines, towers and a few taller buildings. We got lucky.

[@KB4QAA]

"GCA" = Ground Controlled Approach. (ex-TACCO) cheers!

[@billybud9557]

clear and concise debrief, as always.

[@hillcrestvideoprod1]

This is such a great channel…the best of the genre, in my opinion. Short, well illustrated and explained. Thank you!

[@peepers46]

I love watching your videos, although I’m not a pilot, you explain things in a way that makes it easy to understand. Thank you

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

I love watching his videos too and I’m a pilot. He does a great job.

[@SJAEDM]

Yes, he is good. Words things easily for the layman/non-pilot.

[@pilot-debrief]

Thank you so much!

[@Cuddlefishluv]

Exactly! He explains it so well. I’m not a pilot but, I’m ready! Give me an Airbus! 😂😂😂😂 Truly quality content.

[@rgriffith6476]

You sure are certain about an awful lot of things you weren't there for 😮 Sounds to me like the biggest issue (since the pilots are human people) is the fact that the approach lights were brighter than the runway lights. From how you described it, it seems like they made their decision to continue based on the approach lights, and only realized a few seconds later that they were brighter than the actual runway lights. I'd say right many humans with their training in these circumstances would have made similar choices. Also the air traffic people... they be on a smoke break, or...?

[@jamieobermeyer9400]

Hoover, I'm not a pilot, but as an engineer i really enjoy your thorough and informative debriefs! I'm glad this one comes with a happy ending despite the substantial errors. As 64 year old mechanical engineering instructor, i strive to present myself as approachable and fallible so that my students feel free to speak up if I make a mistake in class. Do you think the use of military-adjacent terms (captain, first-operator, command, etc.) contributes to the reluctance of junior co-pilots to speak up? Also, while Americans are typically pretty informal, in many cultures factors like rank and age are forefront, perhaps contributing to the reluctance. Thanks for all you are doing.

[@gonetoearth2588]

The ultimate problem and the elephant in the room is the lack of experience of pilots of smaller rapidly growing private airlines. Especially outside the US. Shortages lead to poor and quick training with little over sight leading to events like this or obviously worse. I am frightened to see FO right seat pilots as PF in these conditions that have total hours less than me as a GA pilot. Great analysis. Keep up the awesome content. Ty

[@chrisstromberg6527]

I can't speak for operators outside the US, but here in the states, the airlines are heavily regulated. All part 121 airlines are held to incredibly high standards, with an incredible amount of oversight. I can assure you that whomever occupies the right seat on a US domestic part 121 carrier has been fully vetted and qualified to occupy that seat.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

​@@chrisstromberg6527one can also assume he probably has spent the first part of his flying career imbibing and internalizing completely the wrong ideology for a passenger aviation pilot (especially if he built up his time some way outside of the military programs, learning to make do & cut corners, though even a good military aviator is also often a very different focus from the risk-averse attitude you ideally want in an airline pilot)...

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

@@chrisstromberg6527 for India, as a 2nd-world mega-power, the pressure of a fiercely competitive market, relative resource poverty in the industry, and a much more lax oversight of smaller operators, mean a very different situation.

[@hefeibao]

💯

[@CharlieMalley654]

Hoover, love your commentary. To the point and no fluff

[@jasonworden8209]

I'm glad I clicked on your videos. Not a pilot and I don't even fly, but I've always been fascinated by air crash investigations. I love your style. Respectful, informative, and not annoying 😆. Also, has anyone ever told you that you look like Steve-O? You could be brothers! Definitely SUBSCRIBED to this channel! LOVE IT

[@Chief-]

Great and informative channel. Not a pilot and, prior to weeks ago, have never watched any videos about flying. Since then I’ve watched a lot of Hoover’s videos and some of the other similar channels and I’ve learned quite a bit of the high-level basics/terminology in a few weeks and plan to continue learning more. Thanks Hoover.

[@bertg.6056]

An outstanding and informative debrief, Hoover. Thanks !

[@johnpatrick1588]

Notice the co-pilot flight experience is 325 hours total and 109 hours in the Airbus? In Asia and Europe not uncommon for low-time F/Os to go through ab intio training and finish with a type rating in the make and model of the airliners just like the captain. In the US, Congress raised the minimum flight time for airline pilots to 1500 hours with some exceptions because of the Colgan Airlines crash. The stupid thing is the pilots who crashed in Colgan both had much more flight time than the new rules require showing flight time was not the cause. Now many cry about the pilot shortage.

[@tomalcock620]

I couldn't have said it better!!

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Asia and Europe have a different training philosophy. When they finish up with 250 hours or so, they have also been studying for 3 years, whereas in the USA, we can do that in 6 months.

[@duncandmcgrath6290]

Yep the Colgan airlines crash changed everything...sadly not one of those things had anything to do with the crash , they forgot how to fly .

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@duncandmcgrath6290 in my opinion, the captain didn’t forget how to fly, he never really knew how to fly. It’s sad how some of these pilots fall through the cracks sometimes.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@mindguru22 what snide remarks did I make? I explained different philosophies and that the Colgan Air pilot fell through the cracks. (He failed his training multiple times, yet was allowed to continue by switching jobs).

[@johangw2]

Hello Hoover, Great video! As usual

[@billeldon]

I know that airline accidents are disappearingly rare, but am amazed at how many ways things can go wrong and normally don’t. But then, I spent 30 years in insurance claims and am still amazed at how many ways drivers can cause collisions on the ground while operating in only two dimensions.

[@ervinthompson6598]

In terms of lives lost, it wasn't a major accident- Texas International Airlines 655 in 1973; the captain of was making a long detour around thunderstorms, VFR at night and scud running in the Arkansas hills; the copilot had continual misgivings and spoke of them but the captain would not listen - while checking his chart and listening to VOR stations, he told the captain where they were and that they needed more altitude for terrain clearance, but the recording ended in the middle of his sentence when they hit Black Fork Mountain at an elevation of 2600 feet, near Mena,AR.The wreckage remains there today(Convair 600).

[@patrickscally2882]

So sad. God give them eternal life😢

[@mattstanley2306]

New to this channel totally addicted thank you 🙏

[@pilot-debrief]

Thanks! Glad you found me!

[@Salesman263]

Hoover, you are one the very few credible and articulate presenters in the entire aviation space.

[@samueljohnclark]

I’m a retired military pilot. I repeatedly tell family and friends to only fly with western crewed aircraft. I remember watching an old American Air Force safety video, and the story went like this. The Starlifter captain was giving the cockpit briefing prior to take off, and on board there was a non-aircrew member sitting in the jumpseat on headset.. The captain included him in the pre-flight briefing to speak up if he felt unsure about anything. As it turned out, the aircrew accidentally continued to climb through a given ceiling limit. That jump seater had heard the limit as well, and spoke up (as advised prior) about something he felt was wrong. His actions prevented an accident with conflicting traffic and speaks all you need to know about how CRM should be encouraged.

[@DrWhom]

It may sound racist but Christ if it won't safe your life.

[@billyomara538]

There should be no reason why any crew member on the flight deck should keep quite and not share if need be its team work plane and simple just saying

[@DM-ve8vb]

Western crews F___ up too. This same type of incident happened at my company. It was night so the edge lights were even more attractive. The copilot wrote up “dirty wheelwells” post walk around.

[@flyingninja4955]

This idiot 😂. Thats right, coz "western" crew dont get into any incidents or accidents 🤡🤡🤡

[@Flickit100]

I wonder why flying hours are measured because an 7 hour flight could mean one take off, one landing and 6.5 hours of doing very little. In that 7 hours another pilot could do two flights, with 2 of everything (take offs, landings) etc

[@steviesteve750]

Agreed, you'd think it would be much more relevant to measure experience in total completed flights.

[@Fidd88-mc4sz]

@@steviesteve750 That has it's own drawbacks in terms of quantifying the value of experience. If you build hours as an instructor, most of your flying will be done very locally to your home-airfield, likely within 90 minutes flight-time, and after 1500 hours you will know every blade of grass by it's Christian-name but will not have accrued much actual navigation between lots of different airfields. The same applies if the bulk of your flying in on a few short, relatively local routes. That's why total hours are used, the theory being that over (say) 5,000 hours, you will have done both relatively long-distance flights and gained a variety of experience.

[@steviesteve750]

@@Fidd88-mc4sz good points and makes sense.

[@mangopolice]

I cannot imagine how scary would be to be a passenger on an event like this

[@pilot-debrief]

I honestly think they had no clue what was happening.

[@mangopolice]

@@pilot-debrief you're right. they barely can see outside

[@u171098atgmail]

not scary at all because ignorance is bliss..

[@eugeniustheodidactus8890]

Imagine being an airline pilot dead heading on such a flight !

[@CycleGeezer-cq9lm]

Crisp, concise, knowledgeable and very informative. Your presentations are very good. I enjoy watching. Unbelievable some of the things that happen in aviation. Keep the debriefs coming!

[@garychipman3095]

I’ve been watching Pilot Debrief for a while now. Learned a lot here. I don’t fly, wanting to learn but some of these scare the crap out of me. Thanks Hoover.

[@rustybones5540]

Another great teaching moment by Hoover. Love the channel!

[@francisflood8921]

Hoover

[@pilot-debrief]

😂 thanks!

[@CS-np2oo]

All I could think of is SFO, the fog there and taxiways full of departing aircraft. In the US, the action and inaction of both the CA and FO could have been disastrous.

[@flyguy437]

Actually, you can do an autoland in any weather. Pilots do practice autolands all the time. You can do a missed approach in dual autopilot configuration too. There is no necessity to (in fact you should not) disengage the dual autopilot once it is in land mode low to the ground. You simply cannot land if weather goes below cat 1 minimums. Leaving it in autoland may have avoided this incident.

[@BuffaloA10]

"You simply cannot land if weather goes below cat 1 minimums. Leaving it in autoland may have avoided this incident." Exactly what I noticed. If the wx was good enough to fly past the FAF AND you see visual ref so you know your in the landing zone let the AP land it.

[@TormodSteinsholt]

Just bought a kick-ass PC to be able to enjoy flight sims. To be able to process data into information into decisions as proficiently and cleanly as a capable aircraft pilot seems a universally desirable skill. This channel is a clear inspiration to this. Routine complacency. Check your ego at the door. Bag of experience vs bag of luck.

[@davidmerwin7763]

Thanks Hoover. Well done.

[@AlyssaM_InfoSec]

Thanks for the analysis, a good reminder to make sure that you include runway lighting available when you brief the approach.

[@NutmegThumper]

This explanation helps explain my Avelo XP434 flight on 4/22/24 that abruptly executed a go around very close to the ground at New Haven. The pilot told us they have a rule that they need to see the runway. They ended up diverting to Bradley as it was raining & foggy in New Haven. I wonder how low we were before he aborted the landing.

[@swedenfrommycam]

Love your skills and humble approach! U should consider having a longer end when u end talking, it's hard to watch to the end and try to start next film on the screen! And easy to forgetting thumbs up.

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

Man that was some major pucker 😮

[@tommysmith7232]

Your videos are very precise and understandable. Anything you say that I don’t understand I know I can research, or ask someone about it. Your videos are on point. Thank you.

[@ambientgravy2866]

When I was a student pilot, some 20+ years ago, my flight instructor and I were waiting in the FBO for heavy fog to burn off before our flight (fog so heavy you couldn’t see the runway from the FBO windows). Over the radio in the FBO, we heard a guy call his final, he landed, we couldn’t see him until he emerged from the fog onto the ramp in front of the FBO. That guy was sketchy, he flew for a few mores years until he retired. He and his passengers got lucky. (He flew a small twin engine for chartered flights). Crazy dangerous!

[@PhyllisGladys]

There is a cultural aspect to this situation. Assuming the flight crew are Indian. In Indian culture, there are very strict class distinctions. Similarly in Far Eastern Cultures, (Korean Air Crash in UK) the junior Second Office would be terrified to speak up against a very high class (Caste) Captain.

[@lani6647]

I’m sorry, you seem sincere, and I’m not trying to be rude, but who sold you all this rubbish? I’m Indian, and I assure you, pretty much our national pastime is arguing with each other like a bunch of flatulent wind bags. We are the worlds largest and probably most chaotic democracy, and this permeates our personal and,professional lives too. Also, you cannot and do not become captain of an aircraft because you’re (ha ha) High “class” or “caste”, while your first officer is (somehow, and for some reason) a low “class” or “caste” rickshaw puller hahaha. However, there is an unnecessary respect for age here, and I can see how the first officer would be reluctant to contradict a captain 42 years older than him. Though I’m surprised there’s such a huge age and experience difference between the two.

[@gsxr600rm]

@@lani6647found the non-pilot! What OP is mentioning is a very real and researched phenomenon dating back to the 70’s (80’s maybe?) whereby in aviation around the world these cultural differences in relation to age (or caste whatever) were discovered and classified into a numerical system now called “power distance index/relationships”. It has been addressed (by psychologists and Boeing) and implemented into modern day CRM. If you’d like to look into it yourself, there is a good chapter in ‘Outliers’ by Malcolm Gladwell on this topic. Even a cursory google or Wikipedia search will yield reliable information concerning PDI plus the research and new protocols implemented after its discovery.

[@SurviveTheDay]

This condition was addressed over 20 years ago. International flight rules and regulations required all airlines have strict CRM (Crew Resource Management) in place to reduce inadequate communications between crew members that could lead to a loss of situational awareness, a breakdown in teamwork in the cockpit, and ultimately, to a poor decisions or a series of decisions which result in a serious incident or a fatal accident. Checkout Korean Air flight 8509 where CRM is absent and the 1st officer sits there and watches the captain bank the plane left into the ground.

[@bakerbill4274]

​@@lani6647my experience with Indians has been that they believe whoever screams the loudest, wins the argument.

[@epockismet76]

​@@lani6647democracy creates illusions and echo chambers for people to think things are actually changing, but are actually just in echo chambers meant to keep them away from, and controlled by, those with actual power ✌️

[@weenttaguy223]

Good airplane stuff...I like the attention to detail so that the lay person will understand what all the jargon is all about...just like my profession, I'm a mental health therapist, and former peace officer...I recognize a sign or symptom or what a code is...thanks pilot man👍🛸

[@pilot-debrief]

You’re welcome and thanks for watching!

[@57Jimmy]

On the plus side, there was no hesitation on behalf of the captain upon hearing the F/O saying “Go Around!” Albeit being too late.

[@mumblesbadly7708]

Question: Why did this ridiculous accident happen? Answer: It’s India, bro!

[@mindguru22]

Worst part on this comment is not racism but the author liking such comments… time for me to unsubscribe Pilot debrief channel

[@mumblesbadly7708]

@@mindguru22 Uhhh… Commenting on the corruption and incompetence in a specific COUNTRY is NOT racist.

[@kurtak9452]

Excelent information for pilots and non-pilots alike....

[@vitin6039]

Love this videos, I will never flight an Airplane my self I think is too risky as I make many mistakes in everyday life so flying will be a certain death for me. I got Microsoft Flight Simulator installed and is so much fun now that I grasp a few aviation concepts thanks to this channel.

[@crisprtalk6963]

10:06 I am loving the classic Hoover head shake with clear disappointment.

[@Renoroadkill]

Great analysis, thank you.

[@pamspurgers3578]

Hoover, I love your channel. Your commentary is interesting and informative. Thanks.

[@kevinheard8364]

so much respect for what you do... just straight up great.

[@crew-dog2668]

First time on this channel. Great job, not just the content, but very clear and concise! Too many people on you tube cannot get to the point, or say “ah” or “um” way too many times. Going to subscribe and watch more. Thanks!

[@albertoguillen6410]

Hoover, Riveting account. The lack of preparation was a tragic mistake! Your channel stories are informative, educational, and exquisite in its narrative! Thank you.

[@landsgevaer]

The social media message of the passenger may have been influenced by whatever announcements were made. Maybe the pilot announced something like that the airplane tried to land off the runway but he was able to correct that and will now take them to another airport. Wouldn't be unthinkable that the pilot is not taking the blame during the flight.

[@bombsaway6340]

Never a big fan of auto land, but in low ceilings like this I would always turn it on. If time permits after breaking out, then I’d turn it off and do the landing. This incident is testimony to visual illusions that can lead to problems.

[@soulflower8687]

I won't be flying in the subcontinent as a passenger any time soon

[@nigelbond4056]

Great analysis. I always learn something from each of your videos. Great channel 👍

[@beanotraffini681]

Hoover, thank you for another informative piece. Do you fly for an airline? If so, kindly keep those of us subscribed to your channel updated on your trips!

[@hotrodray6802]

former F18 pilot flies for an airline now

[@MegaTriumph1]

I've been lost in fog more then once. Its like vertigo. Why the pilot missed the runway, heavy fog.

[@usercornpop]

Ooh i love it when they film the entire event..

[@HomeshighlandPark]

Camera man has nerves of steel.

[@raymondo162]

videos like this could save the planet: who wants to get in a plane that's clearly being driven by a total flippin eejit, thx but no thx - i'll walk thx

[@tedstriker754]

That guy should have never started that approach. He had a Cat 1 airport with Cat 3 weather. The result is a good example of why that was a foolish decision. At the very least go down to published minimums, and when he didn't have adequate reference to land, go around and go to his alternate. He was trying to cheat his way in, and was lucky to get out of their without crashing.

[@carmenallocco6497]

First officers must realize that everyone can make a mistake ,even captains, so speak up no matter what the passengers are relying on you guys. Oh, that’s why there are two pilots on board. Thanks Hoover, you’re on top of it.

[@rockfishmiller]

I remember hearing: what's the difference between a duck and a co-pilot? A duck knows how to fly. I hope that mentality is long gone.

[@jorgeB767-3ER]

Another Pilot Debrief in-depth investigation. Did the captain tried to hide after the incident? according to the Times of India newspaper: "while a few reports pointed to the pilot who was manning the aircraft to now be absconding, GoAir denied the reports." (absconding: 'leave hurriedly and secretly, typically to avoid detection of or arrest for an unlawful action'). This airline also does not want passengers onboard. In a different incident, according to reports, "A flight by Go First, previously known as Go Air, took off from the airport in Bengaluru city, leaving more than 50 passengers forgotten in a bus."

[@terrydawkins9936]

I like the way you present

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

This reminded me of an instructor I had who knew everything there was to know about aviation and mere mortals with only 5000 hours could only have their bad habits corrected by him. One day, I was in the back seat of the biplane and I had the controls. We were doing touch and gos and on the roll he surprised me by putting the power in. I was shocked and nearly ran the plane off the runway. He fought with me on the controls and then said "Get the f off" which I did. I was pretty much frozen the entire time, plus he was screaming at me the entire time(biplane, no cabin). He was not cleared to land and there was a plane lined up and waiting. He went to land anyway and I was still in shock and didn't say anything to him, but tower did. Tower also gave him a phone number. He blamed it all on me, chewed me out some more on the ground. Few days later he apologized and offered to go out and give it another go. I declined. Previously he told me it wasn't necessary to sump because the fuel trucks do it. Several months later he was with another student and the engine failed at about 300 feet and they both got pretty roughed up. Fortunately they both made a full recovery. No one knows what the cause was. I don't know how to avoid these situations where you're scared to say something. Everything was great up until that moment. I never knew that I could freeze like that. The biplane is tough to fly, but I was progressing really well before that and as I found out one bad day can be very unforgiving. I suppose that Bob Hoover ego was a bit of a warning sign, that sumping comment is a big issue. In the future if someone says that, maybe I'll immediately stop flying with them? I suppose it's all of it added together including that I'm not meant to be a biplane pilot.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Each one of those "issues" and "incidents" and "red flags" you've picked up from the experience is a "Life Lesson". It doesn't mean you're meant to be or not meant to be whatever... Some biplanes are easier to fly and some are more difficult. The AN-2 is a biplane that a MORON would have trouble crashing without doing something not only stupid, but outright EVIL to it... for instance. The Sopwith Camel, on the other hand, is well known for being a twitchy little bitch... It is what it is. When you find a pilot (or much of anybody) who "knows everything there is to know", you've found an idiot. You can't work with or change an idiot, and they WILL get you killed or worse. Idiots don't change BECAUSE they already know everything there is to know already. There's no question that isn't insulting, and no reminder than isn't bitching and whining. It's how the idiot fails to function... AND it's 100% ARROGANCE. The trick is to figure out how to separate Pride in what one DOES know and CAN do, and the accompanying acknowledgment of what is just BEYOND one's scope or scale or paygrade "to date". Those are people who can check their ego, accept their responsibility and understand that just because you ask a question or remind them of a "rule" they mentioned minutes ago, it's NOT disrespect of any kind. They can acknowledge that we're ALL human and we SCREW UP... it's in our nature. ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY can freeze like that. It's what happens when WAY TOO G** D*** MUCH is dumped on us all at once. We get a syndrome "Fight-Flight-Freeze"... AND everybody's heard of "Fight or Flight", but it's popular to neglect the "Freeze" part. In Psychology, however, it's very much part of that syndrome, and a natural response just as much as the other two... Only sitting in a biplane with no enemy that you CAN punch in the face, and nowhere to run off TO... you didn't get the random choice... All that was left was TO FREEZE, and that's what took over. It happens with a MONDO dose of adrenaline... Adrenaline is a HELL of a drug. Over the years ahead of you, there are GOING to be times that you're scared completely out of your mind. It happens to us ALL at some points in our lives. It might or might not be violent or traumatic... and it might or might not scar you physically or psychologically. It sucks, but you can't just let it defeat you. In fact, theres a very good channel, "Therapy in a Nutshell" run by Doctor Emma McAdam, out in Utah. She has a series of videos about "How to Process Difficult Emotions", among other videos and series, and she instructs for the rest of us to learn how to sit with our emotions and accept them and ourselves without judgment. In fact, in her currently ongoing series about dealing with Anxiety, she preaches that avoidance only amplifies the anxiety... It's how I was taught way back in the day to get back on the bike after I fell off... and I'm now 30+ years legally licensed on the road through more than a dozen countries... You SHOULD go back and find an instructor to continue with a biplane. If for no other reason, you should get back up in that beast to prove to YOURSELF that the world isn't going to come crashing down upon you because you tried to fly a biplane again. That incident was a PISS POOR instructor's fault. He dumped too much on you all at once being a "Jackass-Cowboy" instead of a good instructor. You just hadn't had enough hours under YOUR belt to be confident in your competence and know just what to do instead of freezing up to think about it... or suffering startle-response... whatever. That's ON HIM. I hope you go check out McAdam and "Therapy in a Nutshell"... I hope you get back in a biplane again, even if the zeal has been knocked out of it. They're fine old planes, and I'd KILL to get me one... BUT if it's not your thing, YOU deserve to give IT up on YOUR terms, not because some Jackass-Cowboy cheated you and scared you and bullied you out of the cockpit. F*** HIM UP THE BACKSIDE WITH A TELEPHONE POLE!!! It's a lesson to look out for the EGO... If you think someone's a Jackass-Cowboy, maybe confront that... maybe ask around and see what others say about him/her. AND from the "Odd Fellows' Lodge", "Illegitimi non carborundum" ...or... "Never let the assholes chew you down." ;o)

[@brendanquinn6894]

By watching videos like this I have come to realize the airline industry is just like the medical industry. You know what they say about doctors, doctors always bury their mistakes !

[@visioneerone]

*why tf does the algorithm recommend your videos to me the night before i travel* … every time, i swear!

[@jadentonkin466]

Honestly I could see a lot of pilots making a mistake like this. One thing you never really mention in your debriefs is "get home itis" and I have a feeling it's prob a really big factor in accidents like this. How the pilots are feeling is possibly the largest contributing factor.

[@daklakdigital3691]

Indian & Pakistani cultures are definitely "l am right", "whose in charge" type relationships where the junior pilot wouldn't dare to become assertive.

[@barefootalien]

Oof... yeah... that's a pretty steep power gradient in the cockpit, just on experience alone. If this is the incident I think it is, Petter covered that extensively, and coupled with the company's lack of CRM culture, it was a rough one.

[@BrianKelleher-t7s]

Hoover, great (near) mishap debrief as usual. Are you aware that the now-retired S-3 Viking carrier based ASW aircraft was affectionately called the Hoover based on the sounds the turbofans made with throttle adjustments made close in during short approach to the ship? Anyway, keep it up, love your work.

[@TIFFandDRETV]

Amazing.

[@user-gl9iz1bp1r]

“Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time have come.” ~ Tussman’s Law.

[@SkipGetelman]

A 300 hour F/O in a commercial jet ? That’s not a good idea

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

Would 100s of hours fly circles in a C150 have helped?

[@bayouflier6641]

A copilot with 325hrs of TT???? He might as well have been flying solo.

[@AustralianOpalRocks]

I think it's ok to let that guy think the pilot saved him. It's more positive than being angry with someone. It's all around better for you. As long as the pilot understands the mistake. Im figuring he retired from flying after this. Time for a desk job or a fishing pole.

[@jimohara4796]

Great video, but I'm surprised there isn't some type of precision GPS system that could assist the pilot in finding the proper landing point on the runway, or at least alert that the plane is no longer over the runway.

[@America2gether]

My only comment would be ref the controllers reaction to a "going around" call. Most tower controller will acknowledge and instruct to fly pub missed or other special instructions received once they coordinate with departure radar controller. Inquiring about the reason for go around during high workload pilot events is frowned upon in most ATCS facilities. If the pilot wants to give a reason or PIREP once squared away...great. ATC supervision is interested only if sep was lost or emergency declared. It is not a uncommon event especially during times of poor weather or vis. As always great job!

[@deanbent7004]

Good to see that Land Rover are the apparent Landing gear supplier of choice for the A320, and there was me thinking it was SAFRAN, to quote cartoonist Gary Larsons' Pilots "Hey Chuck whats that Mountain goat doing way up here in the clouds"?

[@davidmciver9483]

Fuel for an alternate, if needed, is part of preflight planning.

[@aaronbrown6266]

This stuff gets drilled into our heads during IFR training. This is why 91.175 is so important. Seems basic, but even a 20,000 hour pilot forgets about the basics.

[@01erikohls]

Hoover damn, that was a great video.

[@Robinbamv]

The cockpit authority gradient is talked about in this video in a first would perspective, this gradient is far steeper in the third world.

[@BigCountryTx]

Hey I would love to join you sometime in a video! I have my ATP 14K hours+, multiple type ratings, TCE at FAR 142, check airman FAR 135, former DO and VP of Ops. Lets talk

[@jayallen5177]

Flight rules are in place to keep you alive!! A lot of lives have been lost to create these regulations!! Thank God they dodged the bullet!!!

[@chicketychina8447]

He was so far off the localiser the lights he saw was the right hand side of the runway. Apparently that airport doesn't have runway center lights. Or, they were the left side runway lights in which case he was practicing soft field landings or taxiway landings.. I bet they evacuated the tower after they saw him..

[@benh2134]

Brilliant. Honestly appreciate you digging into these incidents and breaking them down. Has the potential to prevent other incidents. Thx Ben

[@dmimcg]

I used to know a pilot who flew for AA and flew the 747. He told me something I never forgot. He said, "DO NOT fly on any foreign airline if you care about safety". I hope this doesn't get me banned because its' racist, right.

[@gtr1952]

About 20 years ago a manager I worked for thought it was a good idea for me to take a course in The Toyota Manufacturing System. It had nothing to do with my job, but I'm always willing to learn as much as possible about anything to be as diverse as possible. That course is where I learned about "The Swiss Cheese Model", sound familiar? 8) Well I thought it was kind of hoaky at first, but I learned it's very true! This situation made it through all but the last slice! If that engine that was stalling had flamed out, dumped a bunch of fuel and ignited it, this would be a much different debrief! I'm thinking they were very lucky to get back in the air in any case! Maybe that PIC with all those hours got a little complacent? The SIC may have been intimidated by the Captains age and experience? But we know for sure there was a CRM issue. Sorry so wordy. 8( --gary

[@miks564]

Amazing. If the captain didn't changed the course, the plane will probably landed safely by itself.

[@virginiaviola5097]

I think the passenger’s comment was tongue in cheek.

[@jaytowne8016]

10 degrees bank at 100 feet on a low visibility approach is generally not something that a very high time pilot would do. It is not conducive to longevity. Watching the localizer and scanning for centerline markingsto appear is edge lights in sight is key , centerline lights are a nice luxury but may let you down when you need them the most by not existing. That localizer will unless noted otherwise on approach plate get you to centerline so stick with it and tiny corrections.

[@TWA727]

My hope is those pilots never see the inside of a cockpit again.

[@NWA320DRVR]

Your experience must not include Airbus aircraft. Once the PF disconnected the AP there would be not automatic decrease in thrust and airspeed would not decay. The auto-thrust system will attempt to maintain Vapp. Only during an autoland will thrust be reduced automatically and annunciated on the FMA. A normal, manual landing requires the PF to reduce the thrust levers to idle. I see it all the time when the PF levels off close to the runway and the E/WD shows the N1 blue arc of the power coming up.

[@OneKindWord]

I don’t know your sources for the mishaps you review. I do wish I knew. How public are the actions of flightdeck crews for each flight?

[@colinmccarthy7921]

There are many factors in flying a plane.When we talk about disasters or near disasters,they are caused by human error,and systems in the plane.

[@ph2738]

Didn’t know that in some places in the world vis and rvr are in meters, not feet. Not flying there soon, however.

[@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549]

It’s every place in the world, every place except USA