These players attitudes will SHOCK you!

[@DMSteeley]

I remember doing regular pug ZG runs back in 2005, leader ran an optional voice chat and just blasted techno music for people to enjoy during the raid. Kids these days need to grow up.

[@noonesp3cial]

This. Wtf happened man....

[@vaylox09]

It's not kids it's 30 to 50 year old men.

[@DMSteeley]

They've grown into kids.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

​@@noonesp3cialBoss mechanics happened, which made it normal to be on voice to coordinate

[@-.-Monster]

yea except they're not kids today. it's that same dude from 2005 in his early 40s / mid 30s after being jaded by life. He's still addicted to WoW and takes his self hate out on strangers online.

[@StandYourGround69]

My guild is basically a group of 7-8 of us that have played together for a while, and we always bring 2-3 PUGs to each run. The only thing we look for are classes to fill certain spots for buffs, and we don't care about your logs. You come in, you do your best, you get to free roll on loot with the rest of us (MS>OS), and we clear the dungeon. If you don't know the fights, we'll explain basic mechanics and strats or link you a one-minute video to watch. Dungeon cleared in less than an hour. The attitude some people have is insane. It's a game.

[@jamescasey4768]

EU or US? Are you recruiting? Sounds interesting. I haven't played SoD yet, but I'm an old school player.

[@samuel9294]

its a game but i still dont bring anyone to raid, its still easy to wipe on some gnomer bosses.

[@jamescasey4768]

@@samuel9294 what's wrong with wiping?

[@0ihatetrolls01]

@@jamescasey4768 Im in the middle here, it's my time as well, i'd want to finish raid and go make my lunch for tomorrow for work lmao, wipes are fine but if its someone just switching their brain off then it can be annoying after a while

[@samuel9294]

wiping takes more time than not wiping and people may leave after some wipes.@@jamescasey4768

[@Defau1t927]

Weird to pull up a video only to realize you are actually in it..... I was the druid thanks for the run.

[@tasmali5669]

what srvr r u?

[@Ziqoftw]

@@tasmali5669Crusader strike NA

[@Ziqoftw]

GG!

[@mattaxtell821]

Haha same here. Was like, wait that’s me. Didn’t realize I got to raid with ziqo! I was the mage healer fresh 40 an hour before the run. It was great laid back run GGs

[@hunt-o2b]

cool haha

[@zirene5237]

The most laudable thing about this to me is that Ziqo could EASILY pull the "I'm a streamer" card and get into almost any group but instead he blends in with the people, with the rest of us. Very admirable IMO.

[@Seedzification]

yea, ¨hey Im ziqo, inv" would get him almost anywhere, it would also invite trolls though

[@frankopanklaric]

"ONe oF uS!"

[@svens3722]

this card is anyways prohibited because of cringeness

[@Sickslol]

Real shit. Ziqo is a gamer at the end of the day

[@cuneytunsal5422]

Hes multi rank 1 pvper. That alone makes him better than %99 of playerbase.

[@soundas17]

One thing i hate about these classic raid groups is the fact they treat a level 40, 10 man raid as a world first mythic raid on retail.

[@elelonger4409]

😂😂 it's actually jokes

[@noonesp3cial]

​@Ambridge- you kinda are missing the point. It's not that players are doing the bare minimum, it's that a lot of players are putting in the effort getting pre bis, buffs/consumes and still getting gatekeeped for having no experience in the raid

[@travisstanley4638]

@@noonesp3cialor not being specced to what they expect you to be. WOW community is one of the worst gaming communities out there lmao

[@noonesp3cial]

@@travisstanley4638 wow community is a lost cause

[@noonesp3cial]

@@Ambridge- maybe you should open your eyes a bit more. I know it's hard for someone who does nothing but play wow all day but at least try. I got pre bis and always have my world buffs/consumes and still can't get an invite as a pug to a gnomer group. You are refusing to see the problem created by people like you. The 'minimum effort' people you are b*thing about don't make up every single non sweat player.

[@ashurafreedan]

One time, the raidleader asked me for a stool sample and blood test. Its out of control

[@TheParez]

😷

[@Ziqoftw]

Did you get the invite?

[@tyshaft2155]

Ziqo keeping the community alive, not scared of easy content with ridiculous prerequisites. A man of the people.

[@Tinman_GG]

They didn't complete the run

[@bradleybarker4833]

Only because the healer left at the last boss

[@FisherTheOtter]

@@bradleybarker4833 I wonder why he left.

[@bradleybarker4833]

@@FisherTheOtter idk, maybe he had to work the next day it was like almost 1 in the morning when they all stopped. I'm sure it was something to do with the time.

[@bradleybarker4833]

I know I can't pull all nighters anymore. I'm getting old, I do that now and I feel nauseous the next morning from being so tired. I used to stay up for days straight gaming. Not anymore haha.

[@tobi0]

SOD has attracted the weirdest people expecting 99 parses, bis gear, people that ninja loot level 40 gear

[@UwishForLife]

People don't expect 99 parses. As you can see inviting any downy from trade chat that has no clue what they're doing results in a 2+hour gnomer and they didnt even kill all the bosses (first boss in video died at 10:14 they gave up after 12:20)

[@tobi0]

@@UwishForLife I legit look in world chat and see 90+ parser run or checking logs, why you tryna lie

[@UwishForLife]

@@tobi0 a parse run is not a normal clear run, are u retarded or? U also said in ur original post they expect 99. Now ur saying 90+ theres a big difference between a 90 and a 99

[@kaaskop7451]

​@@UwishForLife "Downy" disgusting. Way to make people stop listening to you immediately.

[@UwishForLife]

@@kaaskop7451 not my fault their downys

[@ValdoxGaming]

Thats how raiding should be, good time no sweats, and close to failiure. This is the true classic experience!

[@holyimam2000]

Underrated comment, having fun in a game? Wild.

[@ateafan]

this comment wins

[@Alex-by4zv]

100%. I was looking thought comments in hope to read something like this.

[@thearbitersteven6503]

Honestly this is true. Parsing killed SoD, the game is pretty much depressing. No one is running dungeons anymore. It's depressing

[@baskenz]

I quit SOD for the same reason, cba to play a game where I have to permanently get into "job interview" situations. I realize some requirements are to be met fine with that, like I wont show up in lvl 20 gear...but cmon, who has 2 hrs to waste in finding a group...

[@Thecultofwrestling]

Private servers have better communities

[@Sanguiris]

Literally just make your own group and you'll probably get a full group in an instant

[@FukU2222]

Uniconically. V+ raiding is moar chill than that, lmao....@@Thecultofwrestling

[@waldyeti3744]

I mean I agree with you but on the other hand I don’t understand why people don’t find or form a guild that is relaxed? I found one that suits my raid times and you sign up when you have time and the spec doesn’t matter because the content is piss easy anyways. People go pugging instead of finding a guild, completely ignoring one of the core elements of an MMO and then complain about pugs obviously being a bunch of idiots. Ask yourself what you can change in your behaviour because you won’t be able to change the idiots. Sure you can quit, that’s always an option, but there are other options.

[@aranvalcarin]

Hey Ziqo, Aranvalcarin here, the Frost Troll Warlord! 🌌 I wanted to shoot you a thank you for the epic Gnomeregan run - it was an absolute blast tanking with you and your crew! You guys brought the hype, and we'd love to have you join any of our ten 7pm Gnomer runs. Consider yourself part of the Myrmidon extended family now! 🎉 Looking forward to more adventures together. Stay awesome, Aranvalcarin 🗡️💙

[@Ziqoftw]

yep thats 100% the rogue tank talking lmao. Thank you for the invite

[@frostreaper6077]

Good Sheet!

[@7r17r1]

We have a tanking rogue in our roster and blizzard didn't think about you guys for the last boss :( You can't dodge or parry his attack... so you don't get your hp buff and just get rekt, seems really tough for rogue tanks :( For the last boss our rogue doesn't tank, he goes dps and we have a druid tank it

[@aranvalcarin]

@@7r17r1 this content was filmed a week ago. I've since tanked it to completion.

[@7r17r1]

@@aranvalcarin nice, any tips to pass to my tanking rogue ? He said most tanking runes feel useless Did you solo tank last boss ? With one or two heal ?

[@ozdawizz]

You just hit on the nail on the head with what real riding was about. Good time, pleasant people, knowing their shortcomings but still wanting to gather and give their best and have fun.

[@Stormsong93]

Always grateful to have a guild that clears the content with a chill atmosphere so I never have to pug. 🙏

[@unclemo4692]

What a perfect example of how hard it is to get a raid group… and the bs “requirements “ well done!

[@dimvots6729]

retail for heroic invt : link acv then they invt Classic for no brain gnome : Logs - spec - gear - ilvl - exp and then no invt

[@daiblaze1396]

Dang don't know what is up with that classic community. I'm fresh leveling for P2 and I see exactly those shity requirements (EU server) while the game is kinda trash. Was happy to test my beloved warrior class, same pain to level. On rogue, more fun but once you discover that you are more rewarded with spamming mutilate to kill a mob, you can tell that everything is way off. Why are people playing their lives on this easy game? Sadest experience in wow. SoD, but where is the discovery? Fucking min-maxing mentality is killing the fun.

[@MetalMonster313]

I don't even link ahead of the curve to get into groups on retail anymore lmao, people just invite me. Classic is just full of 40yo boomers

[@jamernn7552]

@@daiblaze1396 You know what also kills the fun? When you're stuck hours in a raid with random people who have no brain to understand easy mechanics and/or have no clue how to play their class at lvl 40 where there are 2-3 button rotations.

[@dcalliou7]

​@@MetalMonster313i highly doubt you get invited if you dont link the acheiv for heroic lmfao unless its a scrub pug group

[@dionysues7449]

@@dcalliou7 addons show your experience with your character and mains by simply mousing over them in retail.

[@Asubatsu]

The parsing/meta mindset is truly community-ruining and fairly toxic. Before Wrath came out there was someone in our guild that refused to do dungeons if you didnt have sunwell gear.

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII]

I just hit 40 on my main a few days ago. Luckily I am a priest healer so I got like 20 /w on my first LFG despite stating "0/6, green gear, shit at healing". I didn't bother looking up the tactics of the fights beforehand. I have 6 runes, but not the "required" ones. Also forgot to bring any consumables, even water. Ez 45 min 6/6 no wipes I pushed my 4 buttons from time to time. the Priest life isn't very difficult nor taxing.

[@flagermusen]

Well that's because priest healer is the #1 most in demand spec. EVERYONE is looking for them. On the other end of the spectrum you have rogues and warriors and to a certain extent range spec hunters who nobody want, and will have a very difficult time getting into pugs, even with decent gear and prep. It is what it is.

[@fred303]

"skum of azeroth" "emerged from the sewers" "log checking andys" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Berkouilles]

I swear, give them a level cap of 15 with RFC as the endgame dungeon, with no change. They will still find a way to require full WB, consumes and so on.

[@kylechermak7092]

I raid cutting edge in retail. Never really got big into classic, but decided to take the plunge with season of discovery after a guilty of mine wanted to play. Started playing sod at the end of phase 1, weaseled my way into a pretty solid guild with my mythic logs from Retail, and have been clearing no more every single week since first lock out. I am so unbelievably, dumbfounded at how much gatekeeping there is in season of discovery towards pug players. Literally, I have gotten into cutting edge guilds with less effort than it takes to qualify for some gnomer pugs. It’s so absurd.

[@Sleepywalk112]

The requirements are there because they can be there, 95% of the players in this game plays dps, hence 95% of the players are gonna search for the same role when raiding. So if 95% of the players are trying to get the same role at the same time, who do you take? Ofcourse you take the better player who can prove it.

[@kylechermak7092]

​@@Sleepywalk112 Just now seeing this so w/e its 8 months since the vid hahahah but I do think it's more than that in my experience. The minimum expectation in sod is just so much higher than in a heroic retail pug and there's literally zero justification for it in my mind.

[@tj8606]

Had a friend trying to get the "Immortal" title in LK. Every group had a GS requirement, and every patch the confusion came when they all had amazing GS and zero brains. People linking 99 logs on a random ulduar fight where they didn't do a single mechanic, then they die on the run, ruining the achievement. Happy I got the achievement w/ actual friends. Meta gaming at it's finest XD

[@MrPsykopeta]

nowadays they keep dying in fos to mechanics with 6.2k gs so dunno who did they get it XD

[@XCeazyX]

My favorite part of this whole thing is the content is literally unlosable. So unbelievably easy. Every time I’m in discord with these guys I repeatedly ask “when does it get hard. Where are the mechanics? Is this the raid? Is this a boss?”

[@zGunTroll]

im my last 2 pugs with my priest we wiped twice on the first boss then the raid disbanded and in my second boss people could not play the electrocutioner mechanic and 1 player just logged of and the other healer refused to try as 9.

[@MrLegovas]

Happened to me in phase1. some dude gathered noob-friendly BFD group and we did i think 5/7 or 6/7, but had a great time and every1 was grateful to RL

[@darkev1ch]

Huge respect for such positive content! Screw the Season of Meta! We supposed to experiment with tthe builds, setups, gears and not sitting on warcraftlogs masturbating on numbers.

[@basedgoku4915]

We JUST did this last lock out (after 2 lockouts of not even being able to find a group). Did 4/6, had fun doing it, and got some raid experience. Kudos! The game is more fun with people like you playing it

[@MikeGizzle407]

You are the man for being a man of the community if the community was more like this I would get a lot farther than I have I still haven’t done the first level 25 raid 😞

[@messybuttons7525]

You’ve inspired me to make my own Gnomer runs on my alts. Too many people want BiS and not players who will listen. I know all fights and they’re not hard to explain. People over explain them. I will be forming my own PUGS from now on.

[@madtrade]

insane requirement for a god damn 'raid' that you can clean with half of the player naked and without any difficulty

[@svenfilius2978]

i think this shows the beautiful nature of leading the charge in the other direction. Sure there'll be plenty of people that may say you're crazy but you never charge alone, and you did a good thing

[@aboynamedsue6912]

We as small guild run gnomeregan 2 times a week with 2 groups , those 2 groups would be considered by most as the worst comp for gnomeregan (and to be honest it could be better). Often our 2 healers are our only ranged people but we manage to clear it without any problem, we do wipe sometimes on the last boss tho. But we always clear it with ease , even when our mage healer forgot his to equip his regen rune we killed the last boss with druid + shadowpriest as healers. People who gatekeep gnomeregan as if its mythic +++++++ they usally the trash themself , keep up the good work Ziqo!

[@greendayfan1041]

every one is scared of people just looking for a carry, but what they dont know is it usually the one starting the group. xD

[@greendayfan1041]

true xD @@icecreamman2687

[@trash6960]

I'm new to WoW Classic but experienced in other MMOs like Path of Exile and Destiny 2. I'm playing an Enhancement Shaman DPS, and I've put in a lot of effort to gear up with pre-raid Best in Slot items and also studying raid fights and guides. Despite this, I'm struggling to find groups for raids. I have two friends who are also returning players and experienced in raiding in other games. We're eager to learn and contribute to raiding teams. If anyone is willing to help or recruit us, we'd be grateful! in game name - Doomco

[@valnerothgaming]

Anyone asking for your Gear Score in Season of Discovery should be avoided on principle 🤣 LMAO

[@UnknowN-do2hp]

i remember when i was doing final fantasy 14 coils dungeons, i couldnt find any groups because of my experiences and deafness that i cannot use microphone, that was worst experienced i've ever had in my entire life. I remember when i was playing wow beta, everyone was so cool and excited and nice, back in the days wasnt so difficult finding a party, but now in 2024, gee gee something changed

[@Ratnik_Svetla_1389]

You are absolutely right. I've been trying to find a group for five days and no one has even contacted me. And yes I am a rogue

[@toastysoulmcgee]

Rip, not playing the right class for the phase. Lol

[@toastysoulmcgee]

Which server?

[@flagermusen]

Make your own raid then you can decide who to bring.

[@shtookeyGAMES]

The guild me and my friends created allow all players and all builds to perform with or without consumables or pre bis. We have no issue clearing gnomer with players not performing completely optimal. We had the same policy for BFD and never had issues.

[@derekh8688]

At this point the WoW community is just so elitist. This isn't a game anymore but a second job. I'm so glad I've found a guild in retail who just ask to do your best and have fun.

[@sergtrufanov5565]

That's how raids always worked on release back in time, people cleared several bosses, while getting upgrades , and tried their luck next time

[@yzwme586]

I play SoD and it seems that 80% of people are like how you describe, looking for PUMPERS, LOGS, master's degree, SSN, etc. I bet most of the people in the comments are these people but when you say it, all of a sudden now it's bullshit and they agree with you.

[@Havockable]

This is why I play Classic ERA. I had the same experience. It's a community problem.

[@worf786]

Weird, I was told that this only happens in retail and no one in Classic cares about logs...

[@Lowie81]

Yeah that IS weird…. It almost seems like the kids from retail have taken over classic wow 🤔

[@worf786]

@@Lowie81 yea..... doubt that one bud.

[@XCeazyX]

@@Lowie81bro you literally just said Jan 6 was antifa

[@sinnis4993]

@@Lowie81 i can promise you: as a CE raider and recruiter your logs are #2, your personality is #1. classic is rotten to its core cuz classic andys are the problem. most of us retail players are chill. weird that classic andys always annoy retail players ;)

[@Lowie81]

@@sinnis4993 typical Gen z childish passive aggressive response…. I was playing classic when you were still in ur daddy’s sack! You even mentioning “logs” proves my point even further “chill retailers” like YOU my boy are the problem.

[@TheUhmmmmmmmm]

Such PPC. You did well for what happened on the last boss. Also got to make some friends along the way, that's what Classic what is truly about. Nice to see everyone so nice after the raid. Stay that way lads, you the true chads.

[@johng2794]

rank1 glad cant do gnomeregan. too hard

[@moviemaster13]

It's been a problem in WoW for awhile now. Being ultra sweat and hardcore has its place and isn't inherently bad, but when it became the standard is when it started causing problems. There are many variables to why the gaming community in general has shifted this direction but i put most of the blame on "MLG" and streaming personalities. This constantly reinforced idea of "if you aren't min/maxing to the fullest you shouldn't be playing". These types of players always existed but at some point everyone decided that it was the only way to do things. I remember the early days of LoL, nobody knew what they were doing and nobody cared, (much like WoW) eventually the pro-scene arrived and suddenly everyone was concerned with META. if you were not using the best cookie-cutter build you were "throwing the game" and i saw many players pitch a fit over me using a non meta spell or buying items in a different order regardless of how successful i was. I knew these attitudes took root the moment Classic was announced where every streamer and content creator spewed the same stuff of "you can only play this way or you are bad". Not that Classic didn't have these glaring balance problems but these sentiments were etched into inexperienced players to the point of completely rejecting other players for the tiniest things that did not matter strictly because some streamer said so. It is okay to have standards and expectations to complete a goal, but it must remain relevant to the objective. The players demanding full world buffs and consumes to do molten core in Classic 2019 were the same players telling everyone the content was 15+years old and easy/boring and to not be taken seriously.

[@ItsByramTime]

Honestly man, I have not had this happen to me personally but knowing you cannot access content through elitism is simply horrible, I'm so happy that things can still be killed and enjoyed with a giant group of "current phase" misfits. Good on you for using your platform to highlight the issue and showing what can be done with minimal requirements!

[@ItsByramTime]

Welp, i spoke too soon it's just happened to me tonight, dude told me i'd only done 5/6 kills on my logs, BUT I DON'T LOG? I've killed all the bosses twice since.

[@mikescorpio13]

@@ItsByramTime logs hahaha clowns checking on that stuff hahaha achievement hahaha

[@flagermusen]

What do you mean by "cannot access content?" You can always access the content, simply make your own raids, nobody is stopping you from doing that and it's not that hard. Then you are in position to pick and choose who to bring.

[@ItsByramTime]

@@flagermusen Way to take the smallest part of my comment and make it seem like i'm wrong, lol.

[@ItsByramTime]

Sorry, not wrong, but like it's not a problem, people don't like to run a raid, they like to join the communal raids and play with others, this video and like my comment is simply highlighting that content cannot be accessed with certain groups due to elitism, some people also don't join groups if the leader doesn't have the good enough logs to make themselves seem competent. Do you really think there would be such a shocking reaction to something like this if it was not happening in the current state of the game? c'mon bro....

[@Angee2009]

I've always said "you can't beat a good pug". Bg's, Dg's or raids. That's always been one of the best parts of the game. The elitist have taken over and who the hell likes an elitist? You don't want to work for an elitist, marry an elitist, it would suck to live next to an elitist. Why do they think it's cool to be elitist? They suck the fun outta everything.

[@mykediemart]

Reminds me of the "Fine I'll do it myself" meme. Big grats on getting it done and having fun

[@tinakondo2828]

That is the reason I'm a lone wolf in retail and SOD. There are some players that think they are so above everyone that doesn't have the BIS or logs. You showed them you can pug a whole group and do a great job.

[@robertseptim3579]

You trolling that guy at the end 😂

[@Nglofc]

Love you for this Ziqo, thank you..wish there was more of this from influencers

[@mike04061993]

Sod is being ruined by these log checking Andy’s! Thanks for keeping it real ziko!

[@mikescorpio13]

this game has always been that way,if you are not a no-life narcissist end-game content is not for you.

[@Giliver]

I feel like this is primarily a Crusader Strike issue. i could be wrong of course but the community here is definetly more toxic due to the streamers.

[@NinaChristensen]

Actually wholesome.

[@aussieraver7182]

Im yet to join a Gnomer. Literally lost all motivation to continue playing SoD.

[@Dunkedyret]

The reason people ask for all of this in pugs, is that you only get 1 shot each lockout, so you want the most success out of it... If blizz did so we could join other lockouts most of this would disappear, as you could just replace ppl. We had a priest healer in BFD only spamming renew. He didn't even bother dispelling which was the only reason he was brought in the first place.

[@davidm6329]

I did two separate groups today where we had discord, and the healers couldn't keep up with healing on the very first boss. One healer per run stood in a cloud and died, wiping the raid, and then quit the group. I know groups don't have to be toxic to clear raids. But fuck me, sometimes it feels like half the player base literally struggles not to drool on the floor.

[@Joe-f8t9h]

I honestly love this! GG on you for taking in the ones not able to play and have fun. So far BFD, Gnomer have been legit ez. It's SOD, most have played everything that has been before, should be able to have fun. If people can pay attention to mechanics this is a breeze! Did it still in p1 gear no death's 6/6. The game needs more people like you good sir!

[@Dunnooooo123]

Playing rogue currently as Tank. Have tonnes of good parses from Phase 1. Recently completed a gnomer 6/6 as OT, but it turns out Warcraftlogs doesn't have a bracket for 'OT', it's just characterised as DPS, so you're lumped in with all the other rogues. Because we finished the raid 6/6 and I stacked stam etc thinking that's what's probably most important if the tank does drop, because they did several times, I have a bad parse in the DPS bracket... This also includes tanking the basilisk at Grubbis, because that will get you literally '0' dps done on that boss, essentially dropping your overall parse by 20 points right off the bat... As a result, if I ask to join a raid, despite having raid lead all through BFD, and also now in Gnomer, they look at my parses, see a gray one, flame me and then ignore me. I'm so tired of this, I just want to play the game which I'm well able to do, but the sweaties in this game are such shitty people. I wish they would just ban 3rd party APIs and logging, or create a seperate server where it doesn't exist.

[@j_t_eklund]

Love to see it man. Kudos to you for giving the random not so try hard people a chance. 🤪🤠😎🤓😁

[@lautarette]

Honestly i had the most clean Raid with pick up in phase 1 and 2.... Even having total beginnners (and sometimes being the beginner myself). People just dont want to struggle to explain or being patient, they want everything here and now... I remember when we use to spend an entire evening on one boss in MC....

[@Beechbeach]

"I just wanna get into a good group and leech " - and here is the problem

[@potheadfromthefuture2450]

Na, that's not the problem

[@Porp75]

I had a Similar experience in WotLK classic when Heroic+ started. Leveled a Warrior alt and played as a tank w/ plenty of experience doing so. Got invited to group… flew to UP… and as soon as I zoned in to the dungeon the lead kicked me without saying a word. So I step outside and give the “???” To get back “your gear is trash”… mind you I was over def cap with a couple Naxx10 pieces from other H+ dungeons I’d completed. Long story short… I got another group in about 5 mins… we cleared the dungeon and when I looked up the dude that booted me they were still in the dungeon. I linked him what dropped off last boss and thanked him for saving me time with the group kick. Quit playing WotLK about a week later.

[@melissakelly6047]

Thank you for making this video. I could really relate. This is why I don't play wow anymore even though I loved it. I got tired of being referred to as my role, rather than my name. Why do I have to pass all these tests; I just want to do a/the raid. I understand why players want more quality players in their raids, but this is SOD, not retail. I understand that players want quality players in their raids because they don't want to wipe 20-30 times, but sometimes they don't even want to wipe once. There has got to be a balance. Making my own groups was the only way for me to raid, when I wasn't in a guild or I was in a friends and family guild that didn't raid much. The main thing was I wasn't having fun anymore. That guy that turned you down missed out on playing with a superior player! 😀🤩You're awesome!

[@Jack_Rakan]

Honestly, this is why I love my RP server. Yeah the horde pop is small (around 1k people on a weekday evening, more on weekends), but so far I have yet to encounter one of these sweatlords that ask you a million questions and then denies you based on spec. The most requirements I saw for pugs was 6/6 exp (7/7 for BFD). I also never saw a single advertisement for GDKP's even in Phase 1, nor adverts for selling/buying BoE gear with stupid amounts of money. Not after the seconds week at least, it happened a bit at first, but everyone who did those got openly mocked.

[@UncJ84]

I met a guy who I still am in contact with today over 10 years ago just because he messaged me about joining my ICC raid and my question to him was " are you good?" He said yes and I invited him to the group. He got to the raid and he had greens on. But this dude was good. He smoked everybody, even the people with full epics.

[@reaperbot5226]

heck even putting in the original LFG tool from that they later put into classic TBC roughly half way through. which required players to still manually interact but it was similar to a message board so it couldn't autofill or randomize the party for you.

[@TruthHurtsLikeH3ll]

Literally all HC players in retail who played old WoW said GearScore is literally dumb to use, it was used in WotLK first, never before...and its dumb because some items are not recognized on it...and people still ask GS and ruin the game by having ridicolous standards, its a game, not a job.

[@ShaddyzZz]

Fkn love you man, most contagious laugh 😂 the pettyness, love it

[@ohyea456]

I've done this ever since original WoTLK. I could never get into heroic LK raids and got tired of it and just started making my own groups. I ended up being the only pug group on the server that could clear heroic LK. It was the embodiment of "if you want something done right, do it yourself."

[@HEPchan]

I played world top guilds in vanilla and BC. When Achievements came out it started the first of this. I came back to the game casually in WOTLK with Naxxclear exp from Vanilla and could not get into WOTLK Naxx PUGs. I refused to agrue myself into groups etc. Quit playing wow until classic came around. And now i am seeing the same shit again. I have 4 chars, 1 level 40 but i dont really get the urge to turn on my pc and play the game with the current situation. I realised i have to commit to a guild if i want to play the game beyond leveling at this point.

[@MrGanon360]

I know that feeling, trying to find groups and being judged for not having aotc or this or that. It's nice to see players who lookout for those who are lower and looking for groups

[@BomboclatReze]

Left phase 2 as feral Druid, levelled 40 on the 2nd weak, got my weapon from blood moon event and couldn’t find any gnomer group in 3 days, everyone required 6/6xp and was mostly looking for casters/hunters/healers

[@Krelian89]

And in my guild we are always looking for a feral druid 😢

[@scuffndings]

I've taken to calling this sort of thing WoW nuzlock. You have to take the first players that apply to the group and fit comp (i.e. you only need to take 2 tanks, 2 heals and 6 DPS) And honestly these groups have been fun, relaxed, and never had trouble clearing content.

[@Cynicv2]

I feel this leveling up as a arms warrior. Currently lvl 32. Finding groups for dungeons is impossible since everyone is looking for mages and warlocks lol

[@mogalixir]

Mage groups have their own meta due to drinking. You have to find a melee cleave group. Next week it’ll be +100% xp so more people will be leveling alts.

[@GamingStoryRhymes]

Thank you for posting this. The community of wow sod is really getting out of Hand. Keep this up. Make it a better community ❤ at the end of the day its a game and we are supposed to have fun!

[@Ragamuffins1]

That's how I raided all of phase 1. I had a couple friends, we would log on every 3 days, Id spam trade/lfg for a group. Other than securing a feral for the melee and a priest healer for dispells, it was all first come first serve. No log check, no asking if they had buffs, no gear check, no class exclusions. If you whispered me invite, you were invited. We would go in to BFD with no discord, no real explanation of the fight, no messy loot system just MS>OS and blast. Average run was 30 mins or less and we probably took multiple people to their first ever BFDs and got them a good clear so they could have "logs" for when they ran with people more picky than us. It amazes me how much people want to sweat over this SOD content when it is a cake walk. Obviously there are really sweaty groups that are speed running and have real goals for their dedication, but the average player needs to chill out and honestly most of these people I've seen like this aren't very good players themselves.

[@dudecickle]

"These are some grey logs right now." Grey logs means a kill and that is a win in my book.

[@prestonexzabe2997]

I did a full pug gnomer run on my rogue a few hours before reset, and we managed to clear 5/6. I have a gray 11 parse on electrocutioner because I had to do the entire mechanic for myself, and I hold it as a point of pride

[@theoutlander1411]

@@Ambridge- lmao, he's busy doing mechanics and therefore his dps suffered and you're saying he afk'd the fight. Now THAT is Classic!

[@philipadolfsson9991]

@@theoutlander1411 Doing the mechanic doesn't mean he has to not attack. People can do that mechanic and get 80+ but that wouldn't fit the narrative I guess

[@Gorvinhagen]

Lone Wolf - Alliance is 100x more chill than what you're describing. On a hunter, you'd get invited instantly for being a ranged DPS with a warm body.

[@Alex-by4zv]

hey man, that was so refreshing to watch you guys grouping together and actually experiencing what a lot of people should be after: a legit classic way of doing things some of us hold so dear to this day. That job inverview was disgusting on every level, ffs. If you ran a guild, I'd be fkn happy to join. I'm not any pro, got no logs, but I'm up for anything new to learn; to my defense, I think I do level fast. I left when cata first came out and haven't played ever since except for a couple of months of first classic relaunch, but wasn't able to play due to some rl shit. And now I'm back and looking for someone chill to play and dungeon and even raid if possible. I know this is random af, buy hey, I'm old school and I still believe random is the best thing we have in life. Cheers!

[@Esoterica26]

I dead ass always just do the same as ziqo did in this clip, just grab the folks spamming trade longer than they should have too, always have a great run and a great time with them. People trying to sweat in pre end game are weird af

[@AllyMind5Star]

It's seriously unbelievable that people on a video game are treating the game like a job. Requiring certain things is a locked gate to having fun in the game we all PAY to play. I just wanna have fun, and be included. Good on you for being inclusive for the sake of fun.

[@sarge1466]

Ziqo you a legend for this bro, it’s tiring getting into groups on season of discovery, I work hard to get all my items pre bis to constantly being turned down to raids, stv, ab, and wsg because of me being a warrior

[@Mirrari]

Not gonna defend those elitists but you didn't full clear it.. people who want to full clear either need to be in a guild or a coordinated pug. It's very hard to kill the last boss with total randoms

[@justins7933]

Man that kind of stuff you dealt with at the start was what killed sod for me. People treating 10m level 25/40 stuff as some end all be all thing that you just absolutely had to just sweat over. It is exactly like you said to with trying to get in a group, its like a freakin job interview. Most treat it as a job anymore and not just a video game, a very easy video game at that

[@glongotv4150]

What is going on in SOD is really sad. I am with you... it is the greatest tryhard community i have ever seen in WoW since i started to play... LFM Gnomeregan just 6/6 WB, full cons, naxxramas gear, 1a criminal record, reccomendation by gouverment and checking logs, fast run pumper grp, wme..... It is a joke and i hope it will calm down a bit soon. I like your attitude, keep it up.

[@aleatoire6635]

Thanks - a warrior main playing mainly solo

[@mucxlx]

Its actually the same in wotlk. I have almost BIS gear from ICC HC 12/12XP purple/orange logs, only 3 items missing 6,5k GS. In raids with good players i am guaranteed top 5 dps. But then Ruby sanctum came out and i couldnt make it in the first week. As soon as 2nd week started nobody would invite me to a Ruby 25 HC group because i didnt have Ruby Sanctum XP or logs. And to this day i havent been there. And this is so frustrating that im more and more retrieving from the game. I log on for my ICC raid and thats basicly the only time i am online now, like 2 hours a week. And i dont think i continue to cata now because of all this bs.

[@pagesagely]

The rogue tank is absolutely based. Knows exactly what they're doing and doing it well.

[@Josh-vb1td]

Exactly why LFR was implemented, idk why it bothers so many people, when it gives them a chance to actually experience the full game and gear is also a lower Ilvl

[@Uniquemovievault]

Classic andys: wE hAtE rEtAiL eLiTiSiM Also Classic andys: Show logs, full enchants, gems, 12/6 xp, cheese from the moon and 2 blood Diamonds

[@Vengancejr]

These attitudes are exactly what I've come to expect from 16+ years of playing wow

[@cougar-town]

That's how I've felt the entire time in WoW. People don't invite due to discrimination, personal reasons, and simply out of sheer ignorance, it's just that level of clown fiesta in World of Warcraft these days. They cannot accept a player into a group if they're different, it's on that level. It's very sad and frankly upsetting and depressing. The Raider IO system is the same way as this, so it's really no difference there. The big problems is this today in World of Warcraft... Interviews to join a group in WoW Classic Raider IO score to join a group on retail That won't change unless something fundamentally changes in the game for the better, for all of us, but that time might never come. Just like anything else, we're stuck in hell.

[@cindthialarrabee6544]

I wish this was the kind of community people created, I remember back when Minmaxing wasn't a super huge deal or requirement and miss this kind of things.

[@PJSM94]

This is how me and my irl buddy did bfd. We just made our own pugs and cleared it. First week was 5/7 with no consumes or any idea how to do the fights. Then mostly face roll after that, even with a few green/gray parsers in our group. We even let a 40 dps frost mage take the epic staff lol

[@bassg2519]

Parsing ruined wow. “Wow look how fast these 10 guys killed this boss, maybe if I take one of those 10 people and put them in our group that means we will kick ass” parsing is a group effort and these morons use it as a way to determine individual skill.

[@iitzcrayz]

As a new player I have this problem often cause I don’t have friends to play with yet . The gatekeeping is crazy in this game 😭

[@fishnchimp]

linking that dude the epic gun was so funny

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

When someone asks if I bring the DPS, I just automatically assume that the person asking the question does not. People who actually do DPS do not care, they just want people who know how to mechanics. This video exhibits the very best that the WOW community has to offer (people who want to do content and have fun) and the absolute worst (gatekeeping scrubs).

[@pyrimidhead2]

From my experience both raid leading and being a raider in high end content those asking for "pumpers" or asking for other requirements on top often are looking for a carry or easy clear for them, rather than wanting to make a viable group

[@GillyWeed99]

This was how my first run in gnomer went! Super laid back and the raid lead knew it was most of our first time in the raid. We had a few wipes but 5/6 for most of our first times was acceptable!

[@Tygaera]

This bullshit right here is why I don't even try to get into the wow raiding scene. I want to play a video game, not go for a fucking PhD. Edit: In fact, I quit playing SoD all together because of this shit. My highest toon is 26 and it will probably stay that way.

[@SmileyFrawg]

This is exactly why I'm done with sod at phase 1, not only was it half baked with the ashenvale event but people have min maxed the fun out of the game to the point ziqo can't get a group, insane

[@ml2129]

Honestly, the moment I got the question "GS?" all of my will to play SoD was gone. Its easier to find mythic raiding group on retail than to do a dungeon in classic

[@KingJerbear]

This is epic gaming boys, this is what playing vidya games used to feel like all the time... before minmaxing became a requirement. Good shit

[@MrFuzziiWuzzii]

Bros anthropologizing minmaxing^