THESE POWERFUL YU-GI-OH CARDS WERE LEGAL FOR WAY TOO LONG!

[@MBTYuGiOh]

Doing the next one of these live right now at twitch.tv/mbtyugioh !

[@Greg501-]

Bro Ash needs to be banned, it changes deckbuilding more than Maxx "C"

[@zdelrod829]

@@Greg501- so does Nibiru, Halq, Accesscode, and Apollousa. Deck building in its current state is too reliant on disruption and summoning a board of negates.

[@dantemcedgelord9331]

@@zdelrod829 yes, true

[@kncle]

4:42 Just a note on IO, not only was it unbanned, IT WAS ERRATED. Most cards fall off the face of the planet when they are errated

[@silverstar6589]

I'm surprised NO ONE mentioned Halq because of EVERYTHING that got banned because of it but MAN.

[@realnova7429]

Halq needs to go

[@roarbahamut9866]

Halq isnt banned so it wouldnt make sense to mention it. "THESE POWERFUL YU-GI-OH CARDS WERE LEGAL FOR WAY TOO LONG" This means that the card needs to actually get banned one day.

[@jakethereaper2060]

because everyone already knows and collectively hates it to the point where mentioning it should be banned would just be saying whats already been said

[@Greyhoundsniper]

Bro I was 1 out of 27 people listing halq

[@victikirby15]

Some people did mention it, these edits only cover a small portion of each thread

[@MrChillaxin2010]

I think everyone pretty much agreed Smoke Grenade of the Thief needed to go and yet Konomi let the hand looping go on for an extra format longer than needed.

[@afeathereddinosaur]

Konomi? More like Konomorefun

[@roto469]

It’s never once happened to me, there are far worse and prominent cards Edit: don’t attack me if this is a joke I’ve only been playing for 3-4 months

[@silent7159]

What made it worse was the fact that hitting it wouldn't have affected Infernoble's playability at all. The deck still would have been good

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

I wonder if smoke grenade was unbanned would infernobles become tier 2 or would charles just be put in random decks? Also why is charles generic?

[@silent7159]

@@U1TR4F0RCE with out Halqdon Infernoble isn't very good. Charles might see play in Synchro deck if Smoke Grenade comes back, but Infernobles as a deck likely won't. Though it's probably best if we leave it banned

[@o7_AP]

Verte and Halq. They completely single handily warp the power level of fusions and tuners

[@ashikjaman1940]

Alright so I've figured out how to fix the game, first we ban all the tuners

[@glassofgas8631]

@@ashikjaman1940 and then we ban all the materials for fusion monsters

[@halodragonmaster]

@@glassofgas8631 And then we ban all the fusion spell cards

[@yoel9396]

@@halodragonmaster and then we print a new link monster that ignores those 2 previous bans

[@EinDose]

Halq as far as I know was busted day one, but Verte was a little interesting in that it was sort of a Snake Rain situation; everyone could tell it had the capacity to be busted, all it would need was the right fusion monster to be summonable off a suitably 'summon from deck'-capable spell. There were definitely playable options for it, but it wasn't all that exceptional before REDD and then DPE rocked up.

[@Excellsion]

There's this youngin' at my locals that got into the game after the Firewall saga. When I told him that the semifinal arc of Firewall was banning A - Assault Core, I think his spirit left his body for a second.

[@DrAiPatch]

I remember when mystic mines was released I played it in my wright deck because it was good at stalling me out of brick hands then I slowly started to realize mines was winning me games by it's self I even remember talking to people about it like "Ya this card is going to get banned super fast" god I was so naive.

[@mrbubbles6468]

Konami likes keeping floodgates that don’t shit off the very cards that out them or prevent from completely playing for as long as possible.

[@xeladas]

I'm surprised Dark Armed Dragon wasn't mentioned, there was a long stretch where you were either playing some kind of DAD Focused Deck (Tele-DAD being the most famous) or you were losing to such decks, even attempts to build Anti-Meta Decks specifically to combat them tended to have limited success; it was so bad there was something of a mass exodus of players who migrated to other games.

[@TheColdestplay]

probably because it's legal now did it fly under the radar

[@InvaderWeezle]

Probably because DAD was never fully banned. Putting it to 1 was enough to reign it in

[@mattr791]

Ehh dark armed dragon has not aged well... like in teledad its arguable whether or not to even play dad as he clogs hands and you'd rather just make more goyo Also tbf the exodus of players around that time was less an issue of banlist and more 08-09 "global market issues" and ude scandal fallout

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

Yeah, him and Cyber Dragon were far worse than Firewall Dragon. Back to then everybody would blind second and whoever went first would usually pass on zero monsters SOLELY to the avoid CyDra. And because Cyber End Dragon needed 3 and was a pushed anime card, it stayed untouched until 5Ds.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

@@mattr791 I think that Dark Armed Dragon is still an absolute beast of a boss monster, even compared to modern cards. Plus, it's level 7, which gives you access to some of the strongest plays in the game, from synchro summoning to XYZ, to even link summoning BLS. The reason it hasn't aged well is because of the summoning condition. It's actually so easy to fill up the graveyard now that having exactly 3 dark monsters in the graveyard is actually really hard to do. You're either going to have 1-2 dark monsters, or your entire deck will be in the graveyard.

[@DeviousHands]

Would like to add Magical Scientist to the pile, I didn't even play then but that was a relatively consistent ftk for the time that lived for like a year

[@zdelrod829]

Imagine how much chaos it could cause in the modern format...

[@HaydenX]

@@zdelrod829 I would actually like to see it done for just a single middling tournament or something. A lot of the decks that would want 7 extra free summons are also pretty tight in extra deck space. It would be interesting to see.

[@zdelrod829]

@@HaydenX I think it would need an errata before being legal. Such as a clause where you cannot use the special summoned monsters for Xyz, Link or Synchro material, because there are generic Rank 6 monsters that can be brought out for 2-3k life points, such as "Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal" (Which could allow BA's to perform a bit better), "Pilgrim Reaper" (a ?/? Rank 6 DARK Zombie which gains 200 atk for each dark monster in both graves, which isn't hard to set up with decks like Danger-Darkworld). I think the main reason it would need an errata is because it is *too* versatile, and can be used almost infinitely with some hilarious loops, like the infamous DuelingBook Mooyan Curry liop.

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

@@zdelrod829 just restrict the player to fusions only for the turn. And also prevent the opponent from taking effect damage just to ensure the card absolutely can't ever FTK anybody else ever again.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@joanaguayoplanell4912 You can pay 1000 LP; Special Summon 1 Level 6 or lower Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, but it cannot attack directly, also return it to the Extra Deck during the End Phase. You cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck the turn you activate this effect, except Fusion Monsters, also your opponent takes no effect damage for the rest of this turn

[@ryanhall5360]

Oddly enough, upstart could probably go to three and see no play whatsoever. Most decks right now are struggling to get DOWN to 40 cards, because there's just so many good cards + engines that they're trying to cram into their deck. It'd only really see play in like Striker and Runick

[@TheColdestplay]

might not be good fight now but can very easily be a 3 of in future decks. you just don't want too many generic consistency tools around

[@luminous3558]

MBT kinda touches on it but upstart gets pushed out of the meta when you need to see handtraps turn 0 because you don't actually play a 37 card deck and that upstart is dead in your hand until your turn.

[@jtalkalot19]

Yet ocg can get 3 of this and chicken game and see like no play at all.

[@Jrpg_guy]

@@jtalkalot19 thats what you call maxx c

[@Mernom]

@@jtalkalot19 ocg players have a different mentality.

[@UltimaShadowX]

To this day I wonder if the reason Firewall Dragon took so long to be banned was purely because it was an anime protagonist ace monster.

[@mystikx2205]

That's usually the argument. The counter-argument is that Firewall only appeared in 16 episodes, compared to Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon, who appeared in just about every episode. A similar argument was also given to Ancient Fairy Dragon.

[@ashikjaman1940]

They should have pushed Decode Talker more tbh

[@mrbubbles6468]

That’s legit the reason. Banning a card that appears prominantly in your opening while the series is still going is a no. There is a reason they never banned Black Rose Dragon…

[@nisinator2]

Konami of Japan wouldn't let it happen because of that reason.

[@kallax7172]

Level eater being only able for synchros would be a good errata. Synchrons are already crazy thou

[@xatuyou8045]

Trishula is at 3

[@FoggyMemoryProductions]

I agree. Have it read cannot be used as Link Material would be a good errata.

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

No. The only time Level Eater was ever used was for degenerate combos with Synchro spam, which ended on 6 Quasers. Even playing Maxx C wasn't enough because they could just deck you out, very easily. I don't know why it took until Link Spam for people to realise the card was busted because it was just always like that.

[@archivist469]

Actually, it was banned all the way back in 2016 in the ocg for Dark Synchro Spam for hand looping. Before links were even considered. Limiting it to synchros will not stop people from abusing it.

[@lazmeloo7449]

@@archivist469 different time, omega is at 1, norden is banned when we used to abuse it with synchro fusionist, hand traps weren't even busted back then like now, and we have cards now like dark ruler, droplets, nib, etc etc etc.. A errata would easily fix this problem.. Only deck that would "abuse it" would be synchrons

[@aaa1e2r3]

Metamorphosis is one I throw in as well. Konami was aware of the problem it presented considering they added card text to prevent cheating out fusoons via metamorphosis onto the fusion monsters they were making I.e. first wave Elemental Heroes, yet they they thought that was the better idea than banning the card

[@TTRPGSarvis]

Konami watched this video and went "You think Mine and Scythe have been legal for too long? You mortals know not the meaning of eternity, but I shall teach you." and left both untouched.

[@ashuraahunter]

we are no longer caught in the Mystic Mine

[@pkbroarmaldo7]

even as a burning abyss player from its beginning to its bitter end the fact that dante was at 3 literally the whole time was astonishing to me.

[@pickyphysicsstudent201]

Dragoon, Verte and Red-eyes Fusion. It was a Towers, with negation which could be made at the end of your long combo as an extra threat. Now it doesn't see as much play because of DPE but it was a nightmare to go against. Some decks would just play Dragoon, set 3 backrow and play Necrovalley. Dragoon is a custom card made by a DM fanboy, who has a grudge at anything post Synchro.

[@CANWEGETMUCHHIGHERRRR]

Dragoon is not a towers

[@andrejv.2834]

Dragoon never really saw competitve play in the tcg, there was some experimentation when he came out but that's about it

[@mrbubbles6468]

Dragoon never saw play in the TCG. It’s why people started saying Verye was not a problem. Because the reason people said it needed to be banned was not seeing any play. It was only when DPE came out it became an issue. Dragoon was never an issue. People just don’t like having to build their deck to factor in their opponant.

[@dariuspenner2528]

TOSS format comes to mind. People were wanting an Engage ban and Colossus limit in particular for ages while Konami seemed dead set on hitting Salad and keeping Orcust from getting splashed with Mermaid. Azathot was also a problem that was legal for way too long. Got the PK RUM banned and was then still played in Lunalight because insulating entirely against hand traps is good enough on its own

[@philippmeier3363]

Well, tbf TOSS all in all was a really good format. It was around for too long, I agree, but I also understand that Konami didn't want to end a format that was diverse, pretty balanced and allowed some kind of budget access to it

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@philippmeier3363 Yea. Seriously, I fucking miss this format

[@frankwest5388]

Halqifiberax. That card is legal since spring 2020. Had its own tier 0 format for half a year (people called the decks adamancipators and Synchron Eldlitch but they were both just Halq turbo) It has never not been great, and the half year where tier 1 decks didn’t run it, it was probably still the best thing in the game Has been in literally anything to enable any type of strategy. From hand looping, FTK, domain locks, turn skips and unbreakable boards. Enabled half of the cards in this video It’s not a coincidence that the world had to go into lockdown, when that thing was released.

[@maltenuchter7134]

It's so funny that at worst it's just a free link-3 on its own so it just fits in pretty much every deck. Who thought a generic specialsummon from deck was fine? The card has gotten like 6 other cards banned at this point. How is it still legal in the TCG?

[@freaki0734]

@@maltenuchter7134 the thing is that second effect is so absurdly good too like set up clapback with shooting riser, trigger scythe or pop opponents spell with T.G. (who also draws if he gets destroyed), draw a card with formula whatever the fuck you want on your opponents turn with the ability to make another interrupt as well. Same with auroradon like did it really need the trap recursion third effect as well? I get one effect on a card being busted but when there is 3 it has to be intentional. tbf all those cards would be fine and cool support if they archetype locked you in ANY way

[@ashikjaman1940]

I love calling "rogue decks" that pretty much just shit it out Halq Turbo lol

[@CANWEGETMUCHHIGHERRRR]

@@maltenuchter7134 Also is not only a link 3 but if u play effect veiler + selene is a accescode with 5300 and 2 pops (3 if u sacrifice him)

[@cephalosjr.1835]

Adamancipator and Synchro Eldlich both abused Halq and Kross, but to deny the differences between them is _astoundingly_ ignorant.

[@DarkKnight179]

While its still very recent, and has yet to be banned (in part thanks to Spright and Tear being dominant rn), I think the Adventure engine is another example of this. It combines the handtrap protection of called by (but more universal and without being reciprocal) with being a 1-card playstarter in a pinch and an extender and a grind game all off of one card. Simply cannot wait for us to be rid of it.

[@shawnjavery]

Tbh i always found the engines that used the adventure engine more problematic than the engine itself.

[@andrejv.2834]

@@shawnjavery the engine itself is what enabled those decks to be problematic Prank kids with 1 meow meow mu weren't doing anything until adventurer came out Same for cyberse eldlich Based was created because of the adventurer engine

[@ashikjaman1940]

Rip Prank-Kids, the archetype died for Enchantress' sins

[@greenhillmario]

It really is just banning gryphon rider that needs to happen for the engine to be healthy, and later on if the extenders prove to be too powerful you limit rite (and just rite), a generic extender engine that increases the ceiling for trading off the value of an important resource is actually pretty cool imo. Just. Called by the grave and adjacent cards are toxic af

[@Jrpg_guy]

@@greenhillmario they also have illigel knight who just bounces two, but they get the card then. Still worse the gryphon but still a good enginge even after a gryphon ban

[@tyranitararmaldo]

The concerned Morphing Jar is growing on me.

[@teddywarlock5379]

Halq and Auroradon in Master Duel. Those two have overstayed their place there for *far* too long.

[@thestylemage2092]

1:40 This certainly aged interestingly...

[@AlluMan96]

A personal one for me was Verte Anaconda. It did not take me alot of time to begin considering it one of my least favorite cards of all time. It might not have been dummy broken like something like Firewall or Summon Sorc, but what it did manage to do was be insufferable every time I saw it. 2 effect monsters just let's you cheat the entire fusion mechanic. Fusion summoning with monsters from deck wasn't consistent enough, you gotta give those decks a generic extra deck monster too? Whether it was DPE, Dragoon or whatever, I have a personal grudge against that card just for the principal of the whole thing.

[@Smallsmallrose]

"The worst scenario is when your opponent has 15 negates up and they drop Maxx C" FINALLY, SOMEONE ELSE SAYS IT. People only look at how Maxx C affects the player going first into it, not how it breaks things further when used to enhance a built board.

[@jameszetterman4487]

Joseph thinking that Invoked is a decade old is one of the most hilarious things I've heard on this channel.

[@arachnofiend2859]

My theory is that cannon soldier is less of a real card and more the canary in the mine; anything that FTK's with cannon soldier is certainly still extremely abusive without it, but it might take longer to figure out than if an FTK deck enters the meta.

[@nigerianprinceajani]

The OCG has all 3 versions of it banned and the format is still shit.

[@senorsnek1502]

7:28 as Yoda once said, "there is another", MK-2 sends his regards

[@xatuyou8045]

Ultimate baseball kid just chilling because there are no good fire combo decks to abuse him with.

[@senorsnek1502]

yo i forgot about the baseball kid lol, one day he'll do something stupid and Payne96 will be happy

[@HiggsBoson42]

Kaiser Coliseum and Giant Trunade should of been on the list too. While Kaiser Coliseum it wasn't played much until Bujin came along, it definitely was a crazy flood gate as soon Synchros existed, and even plagues older formats by making Stall and Burn a underplayed but very strong deck.

[@xatuyou8045]

Those decks weren’t played at the time. The card saw zero play in anything until buijins. It’s still legal in the ocg at 3 and no one plays it.

[@BloodOfTartaros]

Should have*

[@MoldMonkey93]

Kozmo

[@NAAAAAIL]

I was super casual until Master Duel came out and then I started to get a little bit better and serious. I was in the "Maxx C at 3 is fine" camp until pushing the Duelist Cup event last month. Fugg Maxx C that card has no right to be at 3 let alone anything above forbidden. Not to mention whenever you use it, the opponent has called by crossout or ash but when your opponent uses it you have no answer. Every Ra-dang time without fail. This card actively makes the game less fun by just existing you can't change my mind now.

[@windunursetyadi]

"Drawing the out" argument became valid with Maxx C since you would draw the out for current opponent's turn or your next turn anyway

[@Ruby_Mullz]

I was in the same camp a few years ago during master rule 3, before links. The best board u could make was Crystal wing or infinity pass, :9 your opponent would draw about 5 cards at most, or if u just passed to them they weren’t gonna drop a nuke on u if u had an empty board or no hand traps. Now it’s just ridiculous when they 15 cards, drop veiler or imperm and wipe your whole board with nib then proceed to accesscode OTK u next turn.

[@mrbubbles6468]

Sure I can change your mind. It’s a Best of 1. Without Maxx C or a way to draw the outs whoever goes first if they are playing even remotely good wins. People complain about hand traps all the time but without them you would always lose

[@windunursetyadi]

@@mrbubbles6468 I have games where I Maxx C my opponent with 5 interruptions on my board so, no

[@NAAAAAIL]

@@mrbubbles6468 there's plenty of other cards that only fulfil that purpose. You dont realize that the guy going first can also have Maxx C on your turn PLUS the board they already set up with 3+ negates. There are enough cards people run to not get blown out going 2nd such as Imperm, Veiler, DRNM, and Evenly to name a few. And those cards don't decide games like Maxx C.

[@BoBnfishy]

MBT realizing he played soul charge was funny

[@shrevident91]

I remember getting called a scrub for saying Heavy Storm was overpowered. Was glad to finally see it go.

[@mrbubbles6468]

You were.

[@gabrielpelletier6202]

The thing with Mystic Mine is that even beyond just the floodgate power, it's not fun. Like, I don't have fun sitting around for 12 turns, desperately hoping to draw my out while my opponent slowly drains me to death.

[@SnakeMaster]

And by the time you draw your out they draw the out to your out.

[@EinSilverRose]

Yeah I'd rather lose in 1 turn because I didn't draw DRNM/Forbidden Droplet or enough 1 card starters to play past 3-5 negates.

[@SnakeMaster]

@@EinSilverRose Fun fact: you're less likely to draw those cards if you have to main backrow removal because you also have to worry about Mine. So this argument doesn't even make sense at face value.

[@NovatoEx]

@@EinSilverRose Honestly, I prefer this over mine every day/year/hour/second/decade of my existence.

[@ashikjaman1940]

@@EinSilverRose yes

[@lefthandedscout9923]

Dont forget Shadowpriestees of Ohm! You can't just hit the three, there's another one hiding in the shadows looking edgy.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

I might be wrong, but I think that the A-Assault Core ban was when everyone realized how silly the Firewall Dragon thing was and got around to finally making it a once-per-turn.

[@Blizz3112]

There was also Metamorphosis... which became such an easy tool to get specific Fusions on the field with little effort... and as more fusions and fusion support came out, they really had to ban it before it became a problem, but it was around for around 2 years... XD

[@hiimemily]

Level Eater and Linkuriboh were legal together for two whole months. Let that sink in.

[@MewtwoStruckBack]

I like how the chat was spamming "MAXX C TO MAXX 3" when that was being discussed. Maxx C doesn't need to be at 3 for anything involving the health of the game. Maxx C needs to be at 3 just for the mountain of salt it would generate.

[@Andy_ARBS]

That wasn't chat. Looks like it was just Dire spamming.

[@xolotltolox7626]

​@@Andy_ARBScommon dire L

[@michaelgjrjvebs]

Twitter forgot drident and honestly the entire zoo archetype as a whole

[@mill_ania]

God I love Maxx "C"! It's literally free plus or straight up shut down any of your opponent's plays and a bunch of Redditors will come out of the woodworks pretending to be Japanese on Twitter saying it's not bad and keep "le combo decks le" in check! What a FAIR and BALANCED card! /s

[@Blackacre438]

A great example of the exact inverse of this (dire why didn't you put it in the video sadge) was BLS. It came off the list in like 2011, WAYYYYY before it was ready, and terrorized the TCG for like 4-5 years before it was finally power crept.

[@Tokumastu1]

Solid choices, but how did no one in that thread mention Halqifibrax?

[@ZetaByt]

I think the funniest thing with Dragon Rulers was that it took the creation of Dark Matter Dragon for Konami to ultimately go "yeah no" and ban all the Rulers in one fell swoop. Like, they were completely fine for the entire two years that they were around, but that was ultimately the final straw. Also, it's not an entirely relevant card nowadays, but iirc Blaze Fenix got a bunch of cards sent to the F/L list just so it could stick around.

[@tonys202]

i know its late but i think we can mention Elder Entity Norden as something pretty similar to Brilliant fusion? 1 card in instant fussion to reborn a lvl4 or lower with a lvl4 body itself, enabling easy acces to a rank4 for most decks if not everyone.. or just revive a tuner and do some synchro plays.. in the end it got Emergency banned because zoodiac abused it.. but we can give credit for actualy summoning norden properly..

[@f.ah.c2114]

1:30 How did that turn out? Gotta save this for the next time we need proof of MBTs flawless takes.

[@Fencer_Nowa]

I mean this was during pote. Breakers did more as he said to draw into a dark ruler and was a thing people liked

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

The all time champion of this is CYBER DRAGON. It stayed at 3 until 5Ds because Cyber End Dragon was shoved down our throats as a cool anime card. It was 10 times better than any other card. More attack than any level 4, special summoning condition, valid target for Limiter Removal, no restrictions for using it as tribute fodder. During that era, everybody would always blind second if possible, and whoever went first would often pass without summoning to avoid eating a CyDra on the crackbak (or in any other game state where neither player had monsters out).

[@hamsterboya]

Can't believe no one brought up Verte lmao

[@wavesofbabies]

2:30 MBT getting got by past MBT is always so so good

[@crimsonbutterfly2282]

I love how everyone started gushing over Level Eater as soon as the discussion about him started! 😍

[@NolenJacobson]

zeus is the most obvious one of these cards that people tend not to bring up. Almost every deck that even plays 1 xyz monster finds a way to jam it in. People don't bitch about it because its a lot of bad decks best out to some degenerate boards but the card is total cancer in a vacuum.

[@JakeFish5058]

See: any sealed format where it exists

[@Grayewick]

Wdym it's "cancer in a vacuum"? Not only that, it's also cancer in practice. Non-once per turn, non-once per chain, non-destruction board wipe, btw. Oh, and it also can refill it's materials because fuck it, why not.

[@0ctoburr]

5:54 100% agree. It's a fun card to see pop off occasionally for lulz (a la Cylinder), but is poison in Master Duel. If 95% of MD duelists' decks are using it at 3x, can we agree it's a little OP?

[@pounderpolizzo7269]

I love mystic mine!~ supports fun interactive gameplay! Makes my opponents rage quit.

[@DrAiPatch]

The way I understand it is Cannon soldier is used to find infinite resource loops...... Which would be ok if they would stop making cards that could infinity loop.

[@mystikx2205]

I remember when a friend of mine freaked out when Cannon Soldier was announced to be in the Rush Duel format, claiming the infinite Normal Summons would break it sideways. He quickly calmed down when I reminded him that Rush Duel format is also one where all effects are Hard OPTs.

[@calebmorales6288]

Joseph bah bah bahing “Can You Feel My Heart” is the funniest thing

[@lordradiance2530]

Im surprised no single mention of dante of knightmares. It was practically a meme that dante forever dodged the banlist, and it took way too long to take goblin and mermaid out of the picture despite how fucking crazy they were

[@lordradiance2530]

Oh and verte, verte, despite being a very recent example. Was a problem ever since DRAGOON came out, and low key before it came out with rainbow neos and neos fusion

[@lordradiance2530]

Also also halq, people have been clamoring for its death since it got revealed in the ocg. People were literally saying they hope its emergency banned the moment it comes to the tcg. Grass was also incredibly contentious. Despite never being format warping, gem knights. People hated gem knight ftk with a passion and it was low key always at least alittle good. Also striker, people hated that deck and it lives to this very day due to the engage unban

[@MrVokiman]

7:24 "There's three: Cannon Soldier, Toon Cannon Soldier, Archer" Cannon Soldier MK-2 in the corner: :'c

[@Flinchwave]

6:44 😂😂😂 I’ve watched this vid like 5 times just for that moment

[@LordParaDax]

Love that these are some of your most watched videos

[@kyubbiman2255]

As a magic player how could people not understand how Trap Dustshoot is insane. It's similar to Thoughtseize which was a format defining card and caused trouble for years. Information on your opponent's hand at that level can win you the game

[@silent7159]

Gumblar was legal way longer than it needed to be. They should've hit it along with Firewall but decided to give it an extra format to wreak havoc.

[@minervadetauro7646]

IDK why nobody mentioned it but the fact that Giant Trunade was not only legal until 2011, but it was actually completely Unlimited all the way until late 2006 is so mind boggling to me. Knowing the fact that there was a point in the game where MST was limited but Trunade was allowed at 3 copies almost gave me a stroke.

[@xatuyou8045]

In old yugioh it wasn’t winning you the game. That reversal quiz ftk that people play in goat was not popular. Giant trunade wasn’t dealing with the problems the way destruction was, so no one played it.

[@thecam6450]

When I started playing Master dual I was so excited to play with Maxx "c" for the first time. Now I'm just a empty shell filled with pain. **could it please get banned**

[@mrbubbles6468]

You don’t want it. Then the winner is whoever goes first.

[@thecam6450]

@@mrbubbles6468 I realized this after building go second Kaijus. I watched as my opponent's hand refilled itself as I broke their board and realized the error of my ways

[@IrrelevantOaf]

You could play floo if you don't mind being disliked by like 80% of the player base.

[@kauanjos3199]

Until aruradon is in the game, Maxx c is a necessary evil

[@LordZeroTheNightmare]

I understand why level eater has to be banned, but it also coulda got errata’d to be unable to be used as a link matieral, and go right back to 3. I just really miss it along with a plethora of cards for plant synchro chaos

[@SSj5Alan]

Shock Master only lasted like a year in TCG. OCG had it for like 5 years though (got banned with PePe hits).

[@GiantSkyhawk]

Here's to Mine soon being banned! This comment will totally not backfire.

[@CANWEGETMUCHHIGHERRRR]

Ward

[@blanks7151]

Agree 100% with level eater the effect is just way too broken

[@TheColdestplay]

it's way too broken now, but basically saw no play until it got banned when it got used in that Psy omega handloop deck, and even then there were better decks

[@silversalamence10]

3:44 I'm not shocked it was suspect at that time in the OCG. (TCG didn't get it till January 2019)

[@GhostKing-bq4sh]

Upstart Goblin is at 3 in MD and I think the only relevant deck that uses it is Sky Strikers so IDK why its a problem.

[@ZMan-sr4tl]

Not a relevant deck but Magical musketeers run them, being able to +1 and choose what you need with their effs and drawing a card is so good

[@thiccupcake]

card's ur💀 also conflicts with prosperity and handtraps

[@brcienpartin5462]

I miss the format where most people were playing partial banned dragon rulers but I was playing Synchron gy. Tuning, grab quickdraw, mill one, level eat quickdraw, summon Electromagnetic Turtle, synchro into Chevalier de Fleur. Also I ran Gold Sarc Necroface for some reason?

[@Solanne11]

I remember coming back to YuGiOh after I stopped playing at the end of the XYZ era, and I was so sad that Level Eater had been banned Just because I loved using it in my Synchron deck

[@sworddomo1951]

Self destruct button. Was part of a group that was focusing on exploiting the card just because it needed to be banned.

[@_Prismadoll]

7:16 *adjusts glasses* Sorry, Joseph. There’s actually a FOURTH one! Cannon Soldier MK-II!

[@chrisf.9595]

There's also that one monster who has Ohm in its name. Technically another FTK monster

[@tyranitararmaldo]

Hot take: Maxx "C" during quite a few formats was not an unpleasant card. During H.A.T it was actually fine due to the nature of some decks special summoning a little, some a lot, and some a medium amount. It was a good side deck card and I played yu-gi-oh very regularly around that time, so I remember it not being oppressive. Nowadays (aka, Master Duel) it feels worse because of the nature of the game to fap out 50 summons a turn, and this specifically punishes it.

[@sallas09]

It definitely feels less bad when, after being Maxx "C"'d, you can then set a monster and a backrow or two and likely won't outright die on the next turn. Because modern deckbuilding philosophies call for ride-or-die starter monsters and little to no backrow in favor of outrageous combos, giving your opponent a free turn is now a death sentence, when that wasn't necessarily always the case.

[@cephalosjr.1835]

@@sallas09 Other way around. It’s the fact that giving your opponent a free turn is a death sentence that leads to people building decks around extended combos, and the unreliability of backrow going second that leads to people forgoing it.

[@IrrelevantOaf]

Maxx "C" in HAT could've been a little punishing. Like taking the maxx c challenge and having your opponent draw his remaining hands thus stopping the little hand loop.

[@N12015]

If anything, it makes the degenerate plant spam deck not busted so I appreciate it making the game fairer.

[@LomasneyAaron]

Level Eater should just have an errata with “You cannot Special Summon from the Extra Deck, except Synchro monsters. This effect cannot be negated.”

[@LomasneyAaron]

It would still be stupid, but keep its original purpose

[@Wintersmith12]

Dire is the best editor of any youtube channel, this shit is hilarious

[@fallengaara88]

I’m surprised two cards wasn’t mentioned. Drident and Dante. I mean we made jokes for about two years about Dante being the hide and seek champion.

[@DroppedMyMarbles]

two?

[@devanton1870]

I love how the OG cyber jar is always skipped off broken cards list.

[@xatuyou8045]

I still remember how upperdeck decided to limit book of taiyou instead of banning cyber jar.

[@DR.LOSSUS]

I remember pulling mystic mine upon release, reading it and imidiatly selling it at locals. I looked at him in discust turing the transaction. Told him he isnt cool

[@SakuNeku]

"Summon Sorceress was legal for an entire year" Not in Brazil it wasn't LOL

[@ZeroLDD]

Konami taking their time to ban cards like EVA. Verte and Auroradon was just so confusing Verte and Auroradon espessically like i understand that Red eyes dragoon and DPE is easily cheat out making 'rogue' decks better but they can just play it in the decks that beat yours already

[@mystikx2205]

Verte falls into a category I like to call "Future Creative Limiters", where it's effect is so potent you can't have creative freedom in making future cards without them being unintentionally broken. This exact reasoning is why Tellarknight Ptolemaeus was banned, because if it were still around, every non-Number Rank 5 would have to be created in a way where it can't be abused by the wrong cards.

[@ZeroLDD]

​@@mystikx2205 honestly with power creep being so prevelant and yugioh having such a large card base its less of future creative limiters its more new cards that create OP situations or older cards being viable from the new cards, e.g. hand of the smoke grenade doing nothing until infernobles and Verte doing 'basically' nothing until more "shaddoll" fusion cards being released

[@finn4019]

Ik this is a self endulgent one, but cards which suck in normal play, but are busten in Junior Journy rules.

[@masterminer2338]

They never banned A Assault Core. It was limited for a little while because of Firewall but never banned. And also of course ABC Dragon Buster went to 1 for the MR4 Revisions.

[@bijuutamer729]

Level Eater was legendary because at the time only Mega Capital G acknowledged how dangerous the card was.

[@isthatzo7703]

to the chat member saying "firewall was not the problem card" at 3:03 I just wanna talk.

[@mateusrp1994]

Halq is my number 1 pick for this.

[@uncleweirdbeard86]

Idea for a card to replace Level Eater. Link eater would be a level 1 that requires you to reduce the Link rating of a Link monster by 1 to special summon it from the grave and can only be special summoned by its own effect. This should keep you from exploiting it to link climb. But i dont mess with links too much, so I might have missed a combo that can exploit it

[@iMaytriksU]

Mine will be limited. You heard it here!

[@delver8617]

i was actually surprised that engage wasn't mentioned in this video lmao

[@tzarecehle979]

I think it was mentioned, but MBT just didn't include it in the video. You can see something about Sky Strikers below the post about Treacherous Trap Hole

[@4horsemenoftheapocalypse58]

Level Eater would be alright if it was just limited to Synchros and Advance Summoning

[@dtm2911]

what song does he start singing at 6:44?

[@andrejv.2834]

Bring me the horizon - can you feel my heart The instrumental of this song is the gigachad theme

[@m7in]

what's the lore behind morphing jar on the thumbnails?

[@orion5869]

It is astonishing that DAD stayed unbanned during the teleDAD format

[@TrayMoomsy]

As a player that has been playing the Prime of TeleDaD , Lightsworn and Glads i disagree , the problemcards in that format were Disc commander and Armageddonknight aswell as E Telly not DaD himself

[@sallas09]

DAD was incredibly strong, don't get me wrong, but the issues with it were that they were unsearchable outside of Gold Sarc, and thus had to be hard-drawn(which too be fair isn't that difficult considering how much draw power both DAD Return and Tele-DAD had), and they were complete bricks until their very specific summoning condition was met. DAD wasn't necessarily always the wincon in his decks; it was usually Return/Dimension Fusion or sheer Synchro spamming. DAD was just a bomb you could drop when all the stars lined up just right. The limits and bans to the mass-banish summoning cards, E-Tele, and the Dark/D-Hero engine did way more to stop the deck than limiting DAD did.

[@TrayMoomsy]

@@sallas09 i +1 that

[@elilopez6260]

Surprised no one said Verte Anaconda and Auroradon. Both obviously broken from day and only recently got hit

[@LeeFox1337]

The fact they would rather print cards that are more broken. THEN THE PROBLEM is what has lead to this MT of game is over in 2 turns. To the point that if 2 people are playing anything that has come out in the last 2 years. Just what the 6 cards on the top will decide the game well over 50% of the time.

[@eldavid8774]

Shees boi, you clearly didnt play during frog ftk format, or cyberstein otk or magical scientist ftk or infernity format or .... did you even play this game before this year?

[@LeeFox1337]

@@eldavid8774 From 2010 till Link then 2018 to now. And I have never seen the game have every deck be like this. Not just 2 or 3 top decks.

[@lilsunny7399]

I got one. Prank Kids Meow-Meow Mu Ok, from day 1 Pranks were playable but not good, they needed a starter, Meow turned every single prank into a starter. Without disruption you were going through the line and ending on a double board nuke off one normal summon never mind whatever else you could extend into. The adventure engine just broke it even harder. It was at 3 until October 2021, and then at 1 until literally May this year. Turning any monster in the deck, all of whom float into each other into a full combo by itself is bad enough but that graveyard effect letting you butler twice in the same *Chain* never mind the same turn was icing on the cake. should not have taken 2 years to be banned.

[@xatuyou8045]

The ocg had shock master even longer. Imagine shock master in Pepe. They had that.

[@dom2056]

halq, caused a bunch of tuners to be banned. Its guilty of auroradon, scythe, accesscode bs and thats just scratching the surface. Verte anaconda is less egregious and is now banned but was also legal for too long and made fusions insane for no reason

[@Th-ch5ez]

Why does morphing jar look so worried?

[@hazavair5755]

Dante, Eternal Banlist Dodger of the Burning Abyss

[@Nightmare_52]

oh fuck i just thought of the pain with flunder + royal oppression

[@mystikx2205]

Believe it, it couldn't be any worse than them having Vanity's in MD...

[@eu4um]

The funniest part of this video was Joseph stating thy Upstart would get better because we were moving away from playing 15 hand traps. Nowadays if you play any less than 18 you're probably doing something wrong.