These two features would make Premiere faster and more responsive

ONLY VOTE IF YOU USE PREMIERE:
I-frame first fast seeking:
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Ghost playhead / current view indicator:
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[@aguywholikestetris]

Taran rises back from the dead once again

[@ash36230]

1:25 I see you there googling about seeking and scrubbing

[@TaranVH]

I HAD TO KNOW

[@SweepSwapInUrWalls]

is it bad?

[@johnmcgerty1323]

Hi Taran: Just wanted to give you a rundown on the m4v container format: - It's a container, which means that it does not actually encode video data, it only stores it in a usable format - So yes, the formats that m4v supports are mostly interframe compression formats like H264 or HEVC, but the actual m4v part of the file just describes to the program where to find the data. - mp4 files are actually like level 2 containers - they usually contain at least one m4v file and m4a (audio) file in them - what you are experiencing with bad scrubbing latency is a side effect of high-efficiency encodings such as HEVC and to a much lesser extent high-quality H264s that are present in most modern mp4 files. - high-efficiency encodings often trade processing power for image quality per megabyte - so videos will load slower when fast-forwarding but will appear to be higher quality while being a small file. programs like VLC are heavily optimised for these high-efficiency codecs, but because adobe is so old and has such little developer support, fast scrubbing will be something that most likely will only be achievable in the very distant future. so tl;dr, it is not necessarily because of interframe compression or the container format being m4v, but is most likely due to poor codec support/optimisation on adobe's end. Hope this helps, John

[@johnmcgerty1323]

Those optimisations that I mentioned also include things like calculating the frames between I frames as well by the way. That is a part of it.

[@TaranVH]

That still doesn't explain why this wouldn't work. Are you saying that even the I-frames are slow to load?

[@johnmcgerty1323]

@@TaranVH The frames (including the I-frames) are slow to load because the compression algorithms that are used to decipher the images are very processor-intensive for those that are poorly optimised for it. The B frames (at least I would imagine) are responsible only for changing the position and variations of colours slightly, and so it does not require intensive file reading. I-frames require an entire read of the frame and most likely forces the computer to determine the frames that come after. I have a feeling that what Adobe is doing when deciphering a file is unloading the unvisited but rendered segments with too high a wait time - forcing the GPU to rerender those previously unused frames. After all of those determinations - including deciphering the frames, preloading the file, and even unloading unused data is a slow process for those programs that are poorly optimised.

[@NicMediaDesign]

I won't vote, I use Magix Video Pro - but I like the idea since I know the struggle.

[@munjee2]

Captain disillusion did a pretty good video on interframe compression a few years back i think it was called something lizard Bieber explained for anyone who wants to know a little more

[@repker]

i dont even edit video. i just like tarans showcases of software edge case issues :)

[@ericlotze7724]

On the note of all the various settings/formats, what would your favorite be? (Granted they vary with application (raw vs losless compressed vs mp4 etc) )

[@TaranVH]

cineform.

[@crisk8320]

@@TaranVH Why Cineform and not ProRes?

[@ElijahCiali]

@@crisk8320 ProRes is great unless you’re dealing with 8K video, since it has very little compression, so if your disk is slow or you’re low on space you’ll have issues. CineForm is a happy medium between compressed and performance.

[@LeninLime]

@@crisk8320 Prores is mostly Apple only. Unless you want to go through FFMPEG just to encode it. Otherwise Apple likes to lock Prores encoding to Apple.

[@apiapo9223]

@@LeninLime it’s not « Apple lock » you can now edit with ProRes on any decent Windows computer with the latest update of Premiere.

[@hlfan]

I've collected some thoughts of mine to this playhead thing: Maybe, instead of drawing an image playhead for every layer in a sequence, display a triangle hanging from the top of the track with the third corner pointing to the pixel representing the current image position, like the ones you see if an in or an out-point corresponds with the start or the end of the video. The user playhead can grey out to indicate the loading of a B frame. Also, the preview playhead color could be either an easily visible color or just the negative of the color of the clip. If the timeline is zoomed in far enough to see the each frame individually, the triangles could Morph to the shape of the tail of the playhead. If a clip is played back at the different speed or the video has a different frame rate than the sequence settings the length of this shape could also be modified to display that characteristic. These Frame indicators could also be drawn on the clip when the right frame has being loaded successfully, moved to the actual targeted frame. This could be very helpful for time scaled clips.

[@baaelectronics]

I will most certainly vote on UserVoice because my solution has been to re-render to ProRes every time if not shooting on a Blackmagic camera and then seek through sources but this would be much appreciated for already inter-frame compressed source footage! As for the current view indicator, I also think this would be a good idea, especially for slower machines and laptops! Great work my dude

[@MazeFrame]

These videos make me sad. Because each of these mean that somewhere, some software engineer lost an argument to one of those business suit guys who wanted "quick results now, we can optimize later". There is NEVER later optimization.

[@markm0000]

They’re eating their breakfast again over this. Adobe keeps forgetting they have competition and all it takes is for them to piss off enough of their customers and people won’t stick around when other programs are significantly faster.

[@mkylem]

Not necessarily. If they're anything like the Visual Studio team, they just don't care, which is very likely. I mean, they are working a corporate software job.

[@kaeseluchs5771]

@@mkylem What's up with the VS Team?

[@mkylem]

@@kaeseluchs5771 As lengthy as I could make this message, this video may be pretty long but I've had the exact experience a few times. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXSQYad5rpmDZ7c

[@bladactania]

It's funny how much I enjoy watching these videos even though I've never done video editing. Something about Taran just makes it entertaining!

[@LtdJorge]

At 10:40, what you mean is it has to be non-blocking. The rendering should be asynchronous, so it doesn't block the input from the user.

[@TaranVH]

and how do you know this term, "non-blocking" ? Are you a programmer?

[@VasistaVovveti]

@@TaranVH This is a programming term. stackoverflow.com/questions/2625493/asynchronous-vs-non-blocking#:~:text=Blocking%20and%20synchronous%20mean%20the,error%20and%20does%20nothing%20else.

[@lboijens2173]

That's a very good point. Some of these things can be way more work to implement than you might think becausw thinks would need to be asynchronous. I would imagine it would be especially hard when hardware accelerated video processing is involved. It should definitely be possible but might be harder to do than you might think.

[@pcrolandhu]

@@TaranVH If they were to implement this feature it would annoy a lot of the users because they wouldn't understand why seeking is not accurate. And sometimes with huge GOP size it could even take you 5-10 seconds away from where you clicked initially.

[@TaranVH]

@@pcrolandhu I addressed this. The ghost playhead fixes that issue. And if you don't like fast seek, there should be an option to turn it off. Or maybe it should just be off be default! We shouldn't be afraid to add a good feature just because SOME people might be initially confused.

[@SuperGeekTime]

Final Cut Pro X basically has what you're calling "ghost played", would be a great addition.

[@ProducedByFMB]

I really like your feature requests! they sound very helpful and would improve the horrible performance of premiere :)

[@louisrafaelcom]

I'd add that for editing, it shouldn't be the closest iFrame, but the next one, because we don't need to load what's behind the play head.

[@GGRoy]

You are a voice of reason in the Premiere community, thank you for what you do!

[@zinsy23]

I agree both would be useful! I switched to DaVinci Resolve around last April, so I can't vote, but I think this would be helpful in Resolve as well! Resolve has another bug where it has that latency but the playhead jumps where it used to be like 30 seconds later sometimes! So annoying I've gotten bloody knuckles on the punching bag over this! I really miss Premiere because Resolve has it's own set of bugs that I've never had to deal with in Premiere! Crashes up to 20 something times a day and Premiere maybe once or twice. I really miss Premiere but I'm not renting from Adobe anymore. Anyway, I might try to request this for Resolve because I like the idea! Very well demonstrated!

[@impy1980]

Taran talking sense again when it comes to Adobe software. As an editor myself, I'd definitely like to see these features. I've definitely noticed sometimes Premiere just acts slow AF for no obvious reason, my OS/Premiere runs off an nVME drive, my 2 working edit drives are gen 3 nVME drives, and I'll still get a black video preview some days, frames not being shown (from After Effects DynamicLink) and I have to go back and forth on the timeline to find the correct frame, and I'll even get a red error popup in the bottom right claiming the drive(s) can't be read/seeked or something. If I do a full PC reboot, it's all fine again.

[@ericlotze7724]

4:05 Listen to consumers ?!?!

[@reddcube]

I'm surprised a super low quality (proxy) scrubbing isn't an option. The one issue with i-frame or proxy scrubbing , is you need an indicator that the frame is not final. A pink border, a darkened image, or even a spinning pinwheel to alert the user that the computer is still calculating the frame.

[@TaranVH]

sure, that would a good addition to my ghost playhead idea.

[@TheLink05]

Just an FYI, YT encodes videos in H.264 only up to 1080p, 1440p and higher are usually always encoded with the VP9 (.webm) and AV1 (.mp4) codecs, so whatever source you got your YT video from has already been re-encoded into H.264 by a server somewhere.

[@harrytsang1501]

I remember editing video on Ivy Bridge i3 and scrubbing exclusively on VLC to figure out where I should cut in premiere

[@thomasberglund]

@Taran Van Hemert Have you tried to turn off "Play audio while scrubbing" (shift+s, or Preferences > Audio)? This dramatically improves scrubbing performance overall. I have reported this to Adobe for many years, including screen recordings. It is especially noticeable with longer videos, and even more so with long highly compressed Long-GOP videos.

[@ruhaanb6]

Taran. I just got the news from "Lew-Later clips" that apple is making a *re-configurable keyboard*. You being the macro king should really look into the plans for it. I mean looking at apple... they will probably take their time to release the product... But this might be a game changer for macros, people actually might just start building all macro keyboards. Exciting news, hope you see it

[@subliminalvibes]

I wholeheartedly agree. Great video.

[@playbackgaming276]

Have you learned how to script premiere using extendscript toolkit? Would love to see some videos on that if you have. Loved your autohotkey videos, but no idea how to get started with extendscript.

[@KrishnaDasLessons]

Also, Taran, how do you have that green "thing" pop up on your mouse pointer when you click?

[@TaranVH]

Autohotkey. It's a windows mod. On my github

[@DaGunFatha]

@Taran Van Hemert Please respond. Which Font pack and icon packs do you use for the Linus Tech Videos. Especially the one where you list the specifications of whatever tech he’s reviewing.

[@AlexSQuinn]

Question: What effect would changing the Preview File Format under the Video Previews settings in the Sequence settings menu have? I've always noticed that it defaults to I-frame only MPEG, and that locks the codec in as MPEG-I-frame, but there do seem to be other options in that drop down.

[@TaranVH]

I always have it set to cineform, and to the same resolution. It is for the "render timeline previews" command.

[@LtdJorge]

Or just stop using AVC for previews, and switch to a non-intra-frame code.

[@PyroKalfje]

Taran can we get a show down tour of your editing setup. I have watched ltt new new server thing upgrade and saw some glimps of your setup looks so far the most alsume setup in ltt history

[@Eli_Kennemer]

Only ever used premier in school for my animations - getting the scrubbing to be useable and accurate was always a chore on school computers. We would always render our stuff at super low resolutions just to do simple editing.

[@Bulletinki]

To show the I-Frame vs. actual click location you could have a ruler (possibly colored?) at every I-Frame location. Maybe when you click or seek there is an animation showing the I-frame that's chosen, like the chosen/closest I-Frame gets a bit taller than the rest. Those are just my ideas though.

[@jeroddunn]

Excellent ideas.

[@ElijahCiali]

Perhaps putting the ghost play head on each clip like markers would fix the multi-playhead issue

[@davidgriffiths2223]

Hey Taran, give DaVinci Resolve a try. Their mp4 handling is quite a bit better than premiere in my testing.

[@timellis7720]

I solved this issue by transcoding any and all material before it even hits the NLE. I use FFAStrans which can be used to create node based workflows to transcode things (and even has a built in youtube-dl node). I simply chuck a link in a folder and a properly transcoded DNxHD file appears on my edit drive.

[@TaranVH]

sure, but how long does that take? How long would it take for a 24 minute long 4K video?

[@timellis7720]

@@TaranVH it’s around real-time for me. YMMV, I certainly don’t have the access to processing power LMG has. Sure that’s an issue if you need that content in the NLE immediately, but if the list of YT assets is prepared earlier it’s easy to do a batch of clips at once.

[@carrot1151]

Interesting I have had this issue in the past when searching through 4+ hour of footage for a single speech etc. I ended up using a media player to find the rough time then using that to find the needed point in the timeline. I did not realize their was a specific name for this latency issue. On another note the organization who originates the footage of meetings etc has transitioned to streaming the publishing it on KZbin rather than the proprietary solution they had before. I agree with this as it is a cheaper and simpler solution, but this has meant the loss of the dedicated download function the had before. Do you have a recommendation for downloading KZbin footage for editing? The footage is form a public body who's members agreed to make the footage public. I have used VLC in the past but wondered if there was a better solution. Also agree with the other commenter view count is odd still at 2 with 14 comments

[@TaranVH]

"4K video downloader" still works decently. I have heard good things about "YT-DL" but it's command line and I still haven't had time to figure it out.

[@jean-patrickpeuvion5373]

Interesting, what is the specs of your pc? And the specs of your network? Thanks

[@Double_Vision]

I know this isn't a tech support forum, but is there a native player on Windows that can play Cineform files? I love the format, but I currently can't play it back outside of Premiere or After Effects.

[@tjiddenl]

Another solution is, make premiere render the b and p frames in the background to i as an option. Since If they are all rendered you dont need to ghost play head.

[@EricSartor]

This helped me understand GOP frames a little more. It's something we deal with at work that always confused me a little bit...

[@sanjacobs6261]

A simple solution for the multiple playheads issue would be to have the lines draw inside each media item. That way you automatically get one for each.

[@interestedErvini]

Now often you get a notification from the one and only...

[@KrishnaDasLessons]

OMG TARAN UPLOADED OMG

[@pe5erbarnes]

I've found that Resolve deals with h.264 files much better than Premiere in general. I guess the other option is for the NLE to create a low quality proxy file, and only use that when scrubbing. I wonder if KZbin kind of does that, as the scrubbing previews are pretty low quality Edit: using a proxy would mean that the NLE would always show the correct frame, as no inter frame decompression is needed

[@JGnLAU8OAWF6]

KZbin generates a bunch of screenshots, basicaly.

[@timbuckeridge]

I voted, I have these problems when editing Zoom and Microsoft Team meeting recordings in Premiere Pro. Rather then using source monitor I have to make a new nested sequence and drag the full clip in and leave it to render. So annoying!

[@acdi33]

I feel like if they implement this feature, they should make it a toggleable one, or at the very least have the ghost playhead be a neutral color (gray?), cause it might confuse novice users who aren't working with high quality 4K (8K? 12K? y'all crazy) media.

[@brutuz_prime]

Back in my day proxies fixed or at least alleviated most of such things * shakes cane *

[@aidancomi]

What do you use for video downloading from YT?

[@lightguy250]

This has always been my biggest issue with PP. It's so unbelievably slow when scrubbing. I like your feature idea, however I think the better solution would be to USE THE GRAPHICS CARD FOR DECODING. Graphics cards are way better at figuring out what those B and P frames are than the CPU and there's no reason for them to continue to only support CPU bound decoding.

[@bitterbatterdog]

A yes, my favorite series. Taran goes into detail on an issue that I have never come across, as someone who doesn't edit. This isn't satirical.

[@miloszeman1031]

Which version of Premiere do you use? I see the old logo. Does it work better than the newest one?

[@TaranVH]

14.0.3 if memory serves (could be totally wrong) ... basically i do NOT update unless i absolutely have to; this version has been very stable

[@ericlotze7724]

Can you do a quick review of "Blender" 's NLVE ?

[@ericlotze7724]

I would trust your take on it's "professional-ness" and also how you hate adobe lol.

[@ericlotze7724]

Granted this is YOUR channel lol, so not demanding, even as an idea for another "filler" video on LTT (+ the growing spider web of related channels) if need be, to keep up with the KZbin Content Treadmill.

[@AlnisSmidchens]

My two cents (not a pro video editor by any means, just do some projects for fun) is that while Blender's NLVE is decently powerful, it is much too slow for any big projects, at least on integrated graphics. The UI is also not as optimized for effects, transitions, etc. as dedicated video editors yet, but it will almost certainly improve over time, as Blender always does. Currently, for a FOSS video editor, I recommend Kdenlive since it has the best performance of all of the ones I've tried, an efficient and easy to use UI, and lots of ready-to-go presets and effects.

[@ericlotze7724]

Also could use your "power" to "lobby" blender to make the NLVE high quality (and throw the s p r e a d s h e e e t (lol) found at 5:29 to the developers)

[@ericlotze7724]

@@AlnisSmidchens Is it stable enough for you? I was researching around and OLD posts say it crashed more, is it better now?

[@bashirrahmah]

Video regarding why you don’t use Final Cut? Have you been dissatisfied with macOS having trouble managing hundreds of keyboards?

[@ze_kel]

He’s not on a Mac and this kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmq5qqaNh62Dmqs

[@G7OEA]

Can we just take a moment to reflect on the impact Linus Tech Tips has had on NVIDIA. Did anyone else notice that Jensen Huang was in his kitchen?

[@Slippybro]

i think that improvement you're noticing in Premiere 2020 is from 14.5, now it actually uses NVDEC on your gpu to help decode frames during playback (and presumably seeking). it took them way too long to add it and it's kind of depressing

[@RJHEllis]

Unrelated question, why do you guys double clap the clapper board for your videos?

[@TaranVH]

We do that at my request. It makes the sync points all unique. You can instantly tell if you've got it wrong, as the 2nd one won't line up properly.

[@dyip-vb1wl]

How do you download a video from KZbin? Isn’t that illegal?

[@ArisMelachroinos]

Irrelevant question. For macros, why don't you use an android tablet with Macro Deck app? You can make macros that launch ago scripts.

[@adamkedzierski1224]

Yes. Having a ghost playhead would be awkward as hell. But the idea of the indication of the correct frame is a good idea.

[@ThemGrayJackel]

I wonder how hard it would be to make a third party plug in to do these things.

[@aleksanderhaugdal2060]

smart idea

[@blancfilms]

Honest to God, I don't know why you haven't quit LMG yet and become a Product Manager @ Adobe.

[@markm0000]

Because when you no longer think about money, you can find a job that you enjoy doing. Constantly trying to find a job to make more money, in hopes that will eventually make you happy, never works out in the end. You end up miserable and blowing all your money on a midlife crisis if your wife doesn’t take it first.

[@leozendo3500]

what is premiere or AE source code get leaked?

[@24wherath36]

Ok, now try scrubbing/seeking in MPV and praise the buttery smoothness of it!

[@Ryzza5]

Does Davinci Resolve handle this any better?

[@drink__more__water]

I wonder what performance would be like if you re-encoded it so every frame is an I frame. (or cineform) youtube-dl has an option to pass postprocessing options to ffmpeg that you might be able to use to make it one command. hmmmm... to the command line!

[@drink__more__water]

lol, 100MB file turned into 10GB, looked like garbage, and had no noticeable change in seek speed in vlc with fast seek off. (though it was pretty fast normally... sooo) Here's my ffmpeg line if you want to play along at home: ffmpeg -i test.mp4 -vcodec libx264 -x264-params keyint=1:scenecut=0 -acodec copy out.mp4

[@TaranVH]

@@drink__more__water but was it faster in Premiere? VLC can't even play cineform files... MAYBE with a plugin it can... but I remember even that being pretty laggy. They're just enormous files. Also the time it takes to re-encode makes this method not worthwhile. Premiere's proxy workflow is as good as you could get

[@drink__more__water]

@@TaranVH I don't have a copy of Premiere so I can't test, sorry. (I'll admit I have little use for videos on premiere. I'm mostly here to see your purty face and videos of sandwiches in silly places.) It looked considerably worse than the source and I'm not sure why. That alone certainly removes it from the list of viable options.

[@elbkanal]

Does anybody know why resolve is much fasten in this respect? It‘s much faster. The fastest scrubbing is Adobe Rush on an iPad. So there must be a way for Premiere as well. We will see what the M1 architecture brings in this respect.

[@Aragubas]

So that's how tech quickie videos are made mhmm

[@samu6982]

why not doing the youtube way, pre-rendering low quality previews of the video the are shown while scrubbing this also fixes the multiple videos not syncing problem

[@SpaceGhostNZ]

I think that's the smart way

[@thomasr1051]

Boost the algorithm! Here's to affording the move and eventually retirement

[@RyanLennoxBradley]

I haven't used premiere since I bought my m1 macbook air December 13 2020 and switched to final cut (I prefer windows but final cut is faster for me, I have a video on it) And damm, it looks old and so slow in comparison. Not having the magnetic timeline would kill me now that I have used it

[@krawieck]

Doesn’t lowering the preview quality help?

[@TaranVH]

Long story short: No. It will help for formats like .r3d but seems to do little to nothing for H.264. You can't just load 1/4 of the data because it's all connected. Macroblocks, discreet cosine transform, etc etc etc.

[@krawieck]

@@TaranVH :(

[@medicalwei]

Could it be a patent from Apple? Their prefetch latency is very low afaik.

[@TaranVH]

That would be horrifying.

[@ModrunOfficial]

so how come youtube does this better than the editing program designed for exactly this purpose?

[@ericminnerath4892]

Other way around. KZbin is designed exactly for watching video. So scrubbing around is very very optimized. Premiere is designed for video editing. It does 1000 other things other than scrubbing a video

[@hlfan]

@@ericminnerath4892 KZbin doesn't load the video, but instead it's not a part of the preview image which is generated from the video in ten second increments. But this doesn't help for precise navigation.

[@iurigrang]

Instead of a ghost playhead, why not just a loading wheel somewhere? Maybe near the time stamp? This wont tell you exactly where the frame that is being displayed is taken from, but I feel like: 1. That is mostly useless anyways? 2. This wouldn't require a change to how the playhead works fundamentaly, so no need for it to be opt in. 3. It's clearer to people who haven't watched this video what exactly is going on.

[@notalostnumber8660]

I won't vote because the last video editor I used was Windows Movie Maker 2012

[@VGScreens]

preferences...

[@JeskidoYT]

hey taran when will adobe hire you

[@ahoj113]

Hi Taran

[@perpetualcollapse]

Aight then.

[@TheLink05]

Regarding the idea at 7:53, someone already found a hacky workaround for it and posted it on YT kzbin.info/www/bejne/in7UnaxuhaeHmcU You can already hold ctrl and drag over a timeline to select only the clip edges all at once, then add a transition to all of them at once, just sucks that you can't quickly delete those transitions all at once

[@user-dt9kk6sg8z]

I watch this for fun

[@dyip-vb1wl]

You always call it “ripple tangent”, but it’s “tangent ripple”, right?

[@mini-_]

The one feature to get more performance, is more videocards of course! Linus should tackle this problem ASAP!

[@AliciaCLR]

NOT SHITPOSTING WTF TARAN, WE FELT BETRAYED, WHERE IS OUR SHITPOST

[@icedjelly]

Did you change the title???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[@nanopone]

i seriously dont understand why seeking is so bad on anything that isnt quicktime or final cut pro

[@jmir1]

I have no idea why I'm watching this video

[@tenns]

mpc hc would be even faster than vlc

[@blaowy]

They will never fix it

[@m_t_t_]

Oy pal. Why your get you’re own offece matey? Respond now

[@techfluencer9972]

Ghost frame? Overkill IMO. Playhead changing color once the correct frame is loaded? Perhaps. I-frame first fast seeking? 100% Yes!

[@yojacq]

hello

[@blazbohinc4964]

I swear if adobe team doesn't listen to you, they're a bunch of cattle.

[@spaceneb8122]

420 LIKES

[@spaceneb8122]

Notice me senpai~ ovo

[@karmaisayin5720]

What they SHOULD do, is make the dumb video editor open source. The entire planet will appreciate them for it. If they don't; I'll just keep pirating your* shitty software anyway. edit: *their

[@backupcaffeine9862]

first jk, on the vid there are 2 views but 3 comments, weird.