Panasonic Lumix S5 II vs Sony a7 IV - Which is Better?

[@God_gave_His_Son_for_you]

My a7iv overheats and shuts down during outdoor daylight video shoots. For anyone considering purchasing a full frame (for paid video work) in the price range the S5ii seems the only logical choice.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We haven't had issues with the a7 IV overheating but we know other people have. That fan in the S5 II really makes sense!

[@michaelreaves6212]

This is good info, I am trying to decide between these two systems, so thanks for sharing!

[@bashfullJ88]

@@michaelreaves6212Also check out Canon R6 2 before you make your decision.

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

@@TheSlantedLens Is this in shooting in high settings? Does shooting in lower settings like 1080p help lesson this from happening?

[@RovingTech]

I didnt have any overheating issues shooting in 4k 60fps for continous 45 mins

[@justinwehland]

As a photographer I chose Panasonic and the reason was some of the features Panasonic offers. Live Composite, time lapse, high resolution 96mp in camera on tripod. They seem to have better transitions from light to dark and not something that was easily edited out of the Sony. The s5ii does seem to have a different color profile than previous Lumix cameras not sure if that is a good or bad thing. As I get more into video the s5ii will be tempting,

[@TheSlantedLens]

The S5 II has beautiful color and I think you will find that it still holds the transitions from light to dark.

[@justinwehland]

@@TheSlantedLens awesome to hear. I'll have to decide if the ii offers enough over my s5. Probably just finish selling off my m43 kit and get it as a second body. Very happy Panasonic added phase detect as I was about to get a Sony as a second body just for video AF.

[@erbterb]

Is it a sony sensor/detect function in the S5 or a L mount alliance version?

[@justinwehland]

@@erbterb Not sure I follow your question here? What are you asking?

[@erbterb]

@@justinwehland I am wondering if the phase detect is from panasonic or licensed from sony or another manufacturer.

[@markshirley01]

The rear screen on the Panasonic is brighter and sharper on the S5II (see richard wong) plus you missed 6K open gate recording - this is a very useful feature for social media shooters on the S5II.

[@Valerossi0]

live time composite, in camera time lapse, high res photo, real time lut, 30fps burst

[@markshirley01]

@@Valerossi0 😆👍

[@TheSlantedLens]

So many things to talk about. Great point, the 6k is incredible!

[@unknowncaller4739]

@@TheSlantedLens 😂

[@Yourguitarworkshop]

thank you for an awesome review! I almost bought the original S5 2 months ago and I am so happy I waited. I think if the Sony is a 9 for AF then the panasonic feels more like 8-8.5. it is really quite close. I also expect there will be firmware updates for AF and other things,based on the reviews and feedback on this camera. I will definitely get my hands on the S5 II X this summer.

[@denis5850]

The s5 II is more 6.5 Fuji 7.5 sony 8.5 and canon 9

[@TheSlantedLens]

I wouldn't put Canon at the top. From my experience Sony is top, then Panasonic, then Canon.

[@AdminTechnopedia]

@@TheSlantedLens How about Fujifilm PDAF, it below Panasonic or above ?

[@Uninfluenceable]

It REALLY, REALLY REALLY depends on the lenses you use. The old DSLR style spinney focus motor or new STM lenses like the one in the RF50mm f1.8, I'd rate the AF tracking accuracy as a 4/10 at best with my R6mk2. However, a new L-Lens like the RF70-200mm f4 with the dual linear USM focus motor, the AF is a solid 9.5/10. The focus is almost telepathic as to how good it is when shooting super fast moving and erratic subjects like motorsports or dogs running around the yard. The same is true for the Sony, the modern XD lenses are incredible, whilst the old Zeiss lenses with the spinning motors are not as great at tracking. Tho I do agree with you that Canon AF when using a linear focus L-lens is better at tracking than Sony, BUT the Sony is actually better when using an older DSLR type lens, the Canon feel intentionally crippled at using old or non-linear lenses, just hunts constantly whereas the Sony does it less so.

[@Lowns_300]

​@@denis5850huh lol s5ii is one of the better ones I've ever used right behind sony

[@DavidHarrisGRI]

$2000 full frame "entry level". Geez, I hate that phrase. Like you should be ashamed to be seen with one of these amateurish toys. Seriously, not every photog needs 30 frames per second or 60 megapixals or a massive camera body with built-in vertical grip and networking features. These so-called entry level cameras can do everything most pros need to do.

[@Valerossi0]

indeed , its a dull naming for such features packed superb cameras. eos rp is a entry level full frame just around 1000 bucks. good for single shot photography, thats all.

[@TheSlantedLens]

The term is misleading. These are the least expensive entry level full frame cameras. And they are certainly professional level cameras!

[@DavidHarrisGRI]

@@Valerossi0 Actually, I own an RP as well as an R6. The RP is a great little video camera for a 3 axis gimbal. Tony and Chelsea Northrop had like 7 of them they used as their primary video cams for their chanel, so it is capable of decent video too if you aren't into grading. I use it on a rotator for 360's too. I wouldn't really call it a professional model, but I have made a ton of money with it, and it fits nicely into the compact niche. Not my "entry" camera, just the right tool for certain jobs.

[@shaolin95]

No photographer needs what you don't need?? Such narrow minded view

[@DavidHarrisGRI]

@@shaolin95 I said "not every photog needs...", not "no other". Use what you want or need. I just think the industry tagging higher end cameras like these as "entry level" is kind of insulting, and a not so subtle push for the people who buy them to keep moving up to the next level whether they need to or not.

[@nickcarneyphotography]

Regarding resolution, it shouldn't be understated that Panasonic has the best implementation of pixel shift high resolution mode on the market. Motion corrected, all done in camera. For landscape scenes or even studio scenes, it's really useful compared to most other brand's implementations.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great point. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@williamburkholder769]

It really could go either way, depending upon use cases. FINALLY, Panasonic can do decent AF, and their video tools are first rate. This is a good development for the entire photo community, since it will encourage others to innovate.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Nicely said. Thanks for your comment!

[@michaels8607]

@@bbasleigh6149 LIES.. The L series lenses are NOT less expensive. Check your fake claims,starting with the 24-70mm f4. Oh and about a lens being 'heavy', are you a grown man or a princess?

[@michaels8607]

@@bbasleigh6149 First of all you are right in that it's bad manners that you told a blatant LIE about the lenses. You are also right that you do not have a sense of humor,you ARE the humor...GOSh???Are you going to cry or tell your Mommy I hurt your little feelings??????whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....Check the facts with B&H,,duhhhhhhhhh....

[@michaels8607]

@@bbasleigh6149 This was something I posted TWO MONTHS AGO>>>>>>>>".Number two..Panasonic is NOT cheaper...24-105 mm 2.8 is $2300 and the Panasonic is $2800+,,That means I can get to Sony body, the 24-105,and the Sony E10 for about the same price..That means either someone is trying to LIE,or someone never went to math class...Number three..WE had this dusty old conversation a few years ago,and even with THREE Panasonic bodies, they still could not sell more cameras than the ONE Sony body..."...Evidently you were so busy bringing up the rear after months, you failed to READ the facts...NEXT!!!! Checkmate!

[@GGray-qb9zl]

Great review ! Thank you guys so much! Could you do the same comparison Panasonic s5 mark 2 against Fuji xh2s, that would be so cool to see , both of this system compete right now as the best hybrid solution. Hey people support that comment

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great suggestion. We will see what we can do!

[@donpepe9536]

Informative comparison test, thanks for it. I tested both, the Sony a7 Mark IV was nice. I do not need this many frames/second. However it was weird, the Sony with original 85mm lens focused many times on the eye-lashes and not on the eye (eye-detection enabled). So I tested the Lumix S5 (old version), and for my purpose, the results were stunning ( colors, sharpness, IBIS, etc.). Not to forget the balanced size of the body with the 1.8/85mm lens. And the possibility for creating videos. And, what was not covered in the video. The CFexpress A cards (for the Sony) are much costlier than SD-cards. And you need more than 1 piece! Thankfully I waited over X-Mas/New Year with my order, so I will go for the new Lumix S5 Mark ii. For sure! The difference in price will be invested in lenses.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Sounds like a great plan. Let us know how you like you S5 II!

[@The__Watchmen__]

The S5ii is going to be a really popular product for Panasonic. I just sold my very popular compact camera (Canon G7x mkii) and replaced it with the Panasonic S5ii, and seeing the results, as a camera novice, I'm very happy with this camera.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great to hear. Enjoy your photography!

[@claytonmoore2091]

My guess is that the AF comparison is a non issue at this early stage. Its almost guaranteed that the Panasonic is only one or two firmware upgrades away from being indistinguishable between the two.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good point. Totally agree. Thanks for your comment!

[@tds3653]

Absolutely! Panasonic blow everyone out of the water with their firmware upgrades. It shows you they really care about their customers.

[@Aviciiz]

Funny how I didn't notice much of a difference during the picture quality test, but during the autofocus and stabilisation test I noticed a huge difference in color.

[@TheSlantedLens]

That is just raw footage off the cameras. The S5 II had a Rec 709 in camera real time lut applied. The Sony was a neutral profile.

[@grom5756]

It looks to me that the S5 II has high iso noise reduction, to add, great video, as always, thank you for the work you put.

[@amhtxc2960]

Yes, the Sony looks sharper although noisier at higher ISOs in the supermagnified crops. Might be is the lens or those extra megapixels? Internal noise reduction to he raw files or just the different processing of the software? In any case I do not think is noticeable in the normal or not-too-much magnified image. I´d go with less noise in this case.

[@DennisSchmitz]

there's definitely some heavy noise reduction on the S5II. Wondering why they didn't use the same program for both cameras?

[@grom5756]

@@DennisSchmitz most probably Adobe doesn't support S5 II yet

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good points. Thanks for sharing your thougthts!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Adobe has not released the Raw support yet.

[@JurajHatina]

Thanks guys as always excellent video and very informative and entertaining at the same time!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your comment!

[@HJN67]

I know for those to companies, these are there cheapest offers in FF, but I cannot except a +2000USD pricetag being called "entry level". Also, these cameras are so advanced, and with so many specs, a new photographer would have a challenging time figuring out how to use them optimal. Then again - these days, a sub 1000USD MILC is so advance even advanced photographer have a tough time figuring out how to set up their cameras.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for your comment. For Entry we mean entry into the pro market.

[@HJN67]

Ah. I can except that. Think I got confused by the big "full frame" text on the screen. 😊 Excellent review as always.

[@orange42]

This is what it should have been 6 years ago. A variety of great options to choose from with no huge downsides.

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is nice to finally have this option!

[@mcronfpv8736]

It would have been good to have this in the early 1990s. Now it's so outdated it's unusable, I only deliver content in 8k and shoot 16k120 raw.

[@AoyagiAichou]

@@mcronfpv8736 You're still stuck in 2D recording then?

[@mcronfpv8736]

@@AoyagiAichou i forgot to mention I shoot with an arraw of 2 to 8 cameras so I can deliver 3D... But this is getting outdated most my clients wants 7D now

[@nafyah_media]

I like the image quality better on the Panasonic but I sure wish that that it had the speed and responsive AF of the Sony. The video, stabilization, time lapse, and composite features of the Lumix are pretty amazing though. Both are great cameras and this was a great review. Much thanks!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great points. Nice to hear your thoughts. Thanks for sharing!

[@Lifetogo]

What was the setting on the S5 II while the stabilisation test? 4K 60 APSC crop or non crop? Thank you 🙏

[@TheSlantedLens]

It was in 4K no crop. Thank you!

[@Lifetogo]

@@TheSlantedLens 👍

[@mylifein75sqft87]

I'm betting the more pixels in the Sony was the reason that the ISO tests seemed to favor the S5. Panasonic made a, I think, GH5 S version that only had 10M pixels which was better for low light video because each pixel was bigger allowing more light to hit each one. Just a guess.

[@TheSlantedLens]

That is an interesting thought. Thanks for sharing!

[@markguerin6071]

Thanks for the video guys! Hope you're having fun over there!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks Mark. It was a great experience!

[@cyrilhamel8289]

I'd mention a little more the advantage of Sony mount's lenses, both from Sony and from third parties. And as always when the two of you work together, this video was very fun to watch (and filled with excellent information too! 😉). Keep up the good work 🙂

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great point. And thanks for your support!

[@ted5017]

From your comparison, it looks like the 33 Mp of the Sony compared to the 24 Mp of the Lumix are just a horse power number. It is simply amazing how good is the Lumix in stabilization, by far the best. Thanks for this nice review. Lumix is the clear winner.

[@BlackZEddie]

You guys are aware SilkyPIX applies noise reduction by default? It increases the NR depending on noise. In the ISO test, the S5 looked very soft. It's probably because of the NR.

[@slows728]

Indeed.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, we were assuming that must be the case. Thanks for that observation.

[@RBoyle-fn5hh]

I've been researching a "best" camera for an upcoming trip to Italy in which I will be doing a project which will require still and video....thus a hybrid camera is perfect. I have looked at Canon, Sony, Fuji, Nikon, and Panasonic...your review has added yet another overall "score" for the Panasonic s5ii. Overall, for my project, I think the S5ii will wind up being my choice. Now...to choose the proper lens/es...MORE research!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Hope you are happy with your choice and imagery from Italy!

[@Akhi_Fins_and_Felins_]

Excellent video, guys. What camera was this recorded on. Thank you.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We filmed with the Sony a7 IV and the Lumix S5 II

[@Akhi_Fins_and_Felins_]

@TheSlantedLens thank you so much. So I presume the shots for the s5ii was with the Sony and the sony with the s5ii

[@222jojo]

S5iix has Opengate, Shutter angle...and a fan! No brainer for Video.

[@edepow]

Wow, I did not expect the Panasonic to be so clean at 25,600 ISO.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yeah, it does look pretty great. Thanks for watching!

[@CAZOlsen]

Very nice comparison thank you for the great video

[@TheSlantedLens]

My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@gbwalther3198]

I had to chuckle, the Panasonic S5ii with a Panasonic 50 mm f1.8 ($347) lens vs the Sony a7iv with a Sony GMaster 50mm f1.2 ($1,998) in a slamdunk competition! Okay, let's ratchet it up and place the ultimate nifty fifty Leica Summilux SL 50mm f1.4 L ($6,595) lens, Lmount on the Panasonic S5ii vs the Sony a7iv with its GMaster and see now who really comes out ahead! Let's go to the races boys, instead of Tokyo, Japan for our setting let's take off for OctoberFest in Munich, Germany! 😎😎

[@catattackcat8754]

They used the 50mm F1.8 because the AF is way faster than the Leica Summilux SL 50mm f1.4 L (I had both + the Panasonic S Pro f1.4).Anyway the 50mm S Pro is one of the best lens ever designed.

[@janwedek]

@@catattackcat8754 But they didn't use the f1.4... ;)

[@catattackcat8754]

@@janwedek Yes maybe the AF is faster on the f1.8.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Would love to go to Octoberfest in Munich! That 50mm was what Panasonic provided for us. We thought it performed quite well!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, the autofocus worked much better with the f/1.8.

[@Getoffmycloud53]

11:22 nice pop on the Panasonic w. 50/1.8

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for watching! Keep on clickin!

[@photogenic2010]

woW.. No overheating ever ! (I had the usual reliability problems on Jobs with Sony and Canons). Why can't others give us basic Filming tools that Panasonic has since since the Gh2/ Gh4 and 5 over 10 years ago? Like Waveform, Vector scope, best Ibis and color, these things alone makes the S5ii Full frame is such an Awesome camera, and so affordable !

[@TheSlantedLens]

It really is a great deal!

[@freddiecauseyii9419]

I believe the lenses made a lot of difference in the shots too.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good point. Lenses do make a difference. Both these lenses seemed to perform quite well.

[@lakile3]

i like your honest review of those cameras

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thank you! We appreciate that!

[@ZeroFuxBE]

I'm a Panasonic boy all the way but I have to say... In the lowlight test the Panasonic clearly looks NR filtered compared to the sony. The sony stays way sharper throughout the iso range. Pana has color shifting everything. Bet your settings were completely fucked to do a proper "scientific" comparison test.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yeah, it seems like there might be some auto noise reduction happening.

[@arthurlbn]

You shoul use the 50mm sigma art. The sonys 50mm is shapper than panasonic.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We try to keep with native lenses.

[@bensonchow8845]

crazy test ，thanks

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@chaitanyaharshe8479]

I am thinking to upgrade my personal camera kit from D750 and 70-200 f/2.8 e fl ed vr. to Panasonic S5ii and panasonic 70-200 f4 (reason for f4 is firstly 2.8 lens is way costlier and the kit from where I am coming ISO performance is so good of these mirrorless cameras that one stop does not feel a big compromise for the money saved) is it okay or should I consider 2.8 lens only?

[@TheSlantedLens]

I have shot with the 70-200mm f/4 and it is a great lens. But one of my favorite lenses for photographing people is a 70-200 f/2.8. If you can swing the cost I would get the f/2.8.

[@nyambe]

There is no detail in the S5 low light images, it's like it has a filter in front. You should shoot a real project with each.

[@TheSlantedLens]

That is a great idea. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@moisesdmartinlopez4502]

Muchas gracias por su comparación

[@TheSlantedLens]

De Nada! Thanks for watching!

[@macabandountoda5209]

I have my Panasonic S5. The focus of it so nice and more features than other camera. It is better than canon.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Check out our comparison with the Canon coming out tomorrow!

[@basslover352]

Yes, the sony has more noise in low light, but the sharpness and detail is still there. Lumix is mushy in comparison. Personally, id rather see a bit of grain than a softer, mushier image.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, we found out that Silkypix has a default noise reduction. Look for that video in a couple weeks.

[@jphoto7582]

I always run a warm UV on the lumix, blues are laseresk.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good to know. I will have to try that. Thanks for sharing!

[@gbwalther3198]

Watched this for the third time. Loved the friendly banter. Do u think it's possible that Panasonic Lumix will release a 33+ stacked full frame sensor camera in 2023?😎😎 Would be great if they did that and tweaked their autofocus to be on par with Sony. Now that, would give Sony a run for their money. Might even make Sony go back to the drawing board to iron out the negs of the Sony a7iv. What do u think? Between the two of you-a photographer and a videographer, twist their arms a bit. Both guys. Put them in a half-nelson at least. Let'm squirm. Competition, here we come, yeah 2023!

[@TheSlantedLens]

We are hoping. Agreed, that would be great!

[@KeepingThisTech]

at 16:57 - what's the recording limit for the A7iv??

[@kifley19]

Overheating. There is no time limit.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for your comments and thanks for watching!

[@mariajeremias8253]

How I see, the lumix did better AF job, not the Sony, but it depends on the settings, both of them has great af, the Lumix AF a little bit faster.

[@stargator4945]

Megapixel is not as important as what resolution (lines per image) can be resolved in the final image. Due to optics, bayer filter resolution algorithm and other processing Sony has percentage wise about 80% of the 33 Megapixel resolution where others have 95% for their 24 Megapixel sensors. The final image has a different resolution that the Megapixel count may tell you. Also the fine contrast and the light resolution 9-13 steps as well as color accuracy will define the image quality you can use. The image process in each software may influence this as well when using raw. JPEG engines will tell a different story again. Sonys sensor has very strong points but the 33 Megapixel is not one of them.

[@clarkejones8090]

Well done. Thank you.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Our pleasure! Thanks for watching!

[@boristahmasian9604]

Great video guys. I am a Sony shooter with Tamron lenses. I can see the Panasonic gaining some ground based on these new bodies but they have a long way to go to catch up in the lens department. Sony with its native lenses, and a bunch of third party offerings simply has way more lenses for various applications.

[@rogerlongenbach5015]

Well they do have the Sigma lenses as well, and Sigma creates teleconverters for the L mount, unlike Sony which apparently forbids third party TCs. The only thing missing are the unique Tamron lenses and maybe the other smaller third party brands like Samyang, Viltrox etc

[@boristahmasian9604]

@@rogerlongenbach5015 True. The converters open up a lot of new lenses for Panasonic. If we go native only, then Sony's advantage is massive. If we go teleconverter route too, with an MC11 Sony can use just about all the Canon lenses. The advantage gets even bigger. It is such a competitive mess. Too many choices between brands, all the bodies and lenses they offer. It is hard to choose these days. They are all good and deliver the goods. I used to shoot Pentax but the body and lens choices were limited. So, I chose Sony/Tamron as the next platform and I am happy with the choice so far.

[@rogerlongenbach5015]

@@boristahmasian9604 Yeah, I've been using Sony since the beginning of the SLT era and switched to E mount with the NEX-6. I don't think I'll change - the lack of 3rd party TCs are annoying (I'm using a Canon Sigma 150-600 with a TC for the moment) but I'm going to rectify that in a few months by switching to the 200-600. Couldn't afford it at the time I snagged the Sigma on EF mount a few years ago

[@boristahmasian9604]

@@rogerlongenbach5015 I have the Tamron 150-500 but the results I am getting are not that good for some reason. I am letting it go in favor of the Tamron 50-400 which I am testing right now with great results. At some point, I'll add the Sony 200-600 as it is the best of the super long zoom bunch. My digital journey started with Canon (12 years), then Pentax (9 years) and now Sony for about a year or so. Tamron made the Sony switch possible. I simply did not have the budget to go with all Sony lenses. The lack of TCs is a condition set by Sony to limit competition. Tamron and Sigma certainly know how to make great TCs. I have owned and used many Sigma lenses in the past including the 300 f2.8 with the matching 1.4X extender. Talk about a beast to hand hold!

[@justinwehland]

The lens selection is massive but to be honest there are not a lot of holes in the Panasonic/Sigma lineup. Sigma is also doing a great job getting out some Tamron competitors too.

[@jaymills1720]

Hybrid and video lean I’m going for s5II

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is great for those purposes!

[@zolwikwkurwik]

I'm sorry, I stopped at 8:56 to make this comment. You guys are talking about A7IV getting more noise but you are not seeing that S5II is loosing so much detail (look at the wents on the right) and make everything all mushy like there is a strong noise reduction. It looks like a smarphone pic. For me the A7IV wins the iso battle. So much detail even on 51200 iso.

[@grom5756]

I agree, looks like noise reduction to me as well

[@slows728]

There is an issue with their raw files because they used a software who keeps the noise reduction backed in the raw files, it was the same story for the GH6. So it's hard to say if Sony is better or not.

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is not ideal when we can't run them both through the Adobe raw. When Adobe has an update we will have a better idea. Thanks for your comments!

[@churchill378]

Agreed. Also I guarantee if I used noise reduction on a higher noise photo I would still get more details from 33mp on my A7iv.

[@slows728]

@@TheSlantedLens Indeed, I think the S5 II ISO performance must be more or less the same than the first S5. The A7IV is less good because of the 33MP, but if you downsize the picture to 24MP, they are very similar.

[@pmc7105]

Looked like there was some baked in noise reduction on the panasonic, if those were RAWs.

[@TheSlantedLens]

It does seem like that but we did not have noise reduction on.

[@pmc7105]

@@TheSlantedLens Good to know. By "baked in" I was meaning it is not something that the user can turn off or on. I've heard some camera camera companies have models that add noise reduction to the RAWs.

[@spaceghostcqc2137]

I wonder how long before Rolling Shutter improves in these midrange hybrid cameras.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Everyone wants to solve that problem but it is pretty hard.

[@hereweare9011]

S5iix walks in the arena.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yep, can't wait to test it out!

[@amermeleitor]

Panasonic, cheaper, more features, better

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing your preference!

[@amermeleitor]

​@@TheSlantedLensnow Samyang and Blackmagic are in the L mount alliance, so more options and I like a lot the Samyang lenses, the 135mm is great. I have the hunch that more small brands will join the L mount, maybe Viltrox or TTartisan, and not only with lenses, maybe even with a camera

[@generalcontrol]

Too bad you didn't mention that Panasonic S5 II is prone to moire. I was, too, under a careless impression that the 5D MKII days are long gone, so we're in the safe zone these days. So no surprise that not many reviewers check against this specifically. Well it's not exactly 5D MKII for video bad but still quite a bummer.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yep, you can only buy used of the 5D Mark II these days.

[@oscarm4154]

So how do you open the .RW2 / RAW files?

[@TheSlantedLens]

For the Sony we used Adobe Camera Raw. For the Panasonic with used SilkyPIX.

[@castielvargastv7931]

If the sony and the lumix are entry level.. what are canon rp or sony a72 then? Garbage level? The lumix and the 4 are good mid range cameras many , if not most pros would use.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Entry level for pro. We didn't say beginner student.

[@WhitecatProject]

With all due respect to your efforts, you can’t properly compare all these details you mentioned when using different lenses. Many of the points you touched could be because of the lenses. You could rent some sigma lenses that are common to run this type of comparison.

[@WhitecatProject]

I do thank you though for focusing a lot on stills performance!

[@TheSlantedLens]

We prefer to do our comparisons with native lenses.

[@danutababei65]

tx, verry nice !

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for your comment!

[@WilliamAbbate]

Sony has an unrivaled lens selection, which matters far more to me, and a much wider camera assortment for those who want to upgrade later.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great point. Thanks for sharing!

[@jamieandrei]

Good break down chaps..

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!

[@castielvargastv7931]

Most sony lenses have focus breathing pana lense dont

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good point. Thanks for watching!

[@jeffreygose4209]

Panasonic wins.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for sharing your vote!

[@TheCameraManReviews]

Entry level?

[@TheSlantedLens]

Entry level into the pro realm. Not beginner cameras.

[@orphanuprising]

I'm pretty sure those ISO tests had noise reduction applied in-camera. The noise-structures bleed together a little, which is a telltale sign. That test is kind of inconclusive.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We did not have noise reduction on in either camera.

[@orphanuprising]

@@TheSlantedLens I believe you, it just really looks like the noise is softened in the s5ii, like it's a SOOC jpeg. I've never seen raw files show noise like that

[@harryvlogs7833]

Nah 24 is better enough resolution for cropping and better low light and faster sensor read out

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@EJZ8]

I missed Kennith, he should be in every review

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great to hear. We had a great time working on this together.

[@kennethcmerrill]

Aww, missed you too

[@CommunityUk11]

Sony A7m4 best my choice

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for watching and thanks for sharing your choice!

[@MarttiSuomivuori]

Are we looking at the same pictures? Really? BTW: Both cameras have Sony sensors.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yep, Sony supplies a lot of the sensors for different camera companies.

[@tvr9757]

The level of moire in S5 II....make's it unusable

[@AverageDadMTB]

Sony A7iv does not have a recording limit.

[@gbwalther3198]

Sony a7iv tends to have its own recording limit--overheating and adios amigos on that project!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, our mistake. Thanks for the heads up.

[@fffeuchtner]

I take less color shift over less noise at higher ISO any day. I often shoot events at high ISO and barely ever apply noise reduction. Most of my clients use the pictures for press releases or on their websites so great color is far more important than lower noise since downscaling gets rid of a lot of noise anyway.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@jayclas4023]

The Panasonic looked better visually during the AF test. Maybe because it was darker, but it looked more pleasing to me

[@TheSlantedLens]

I am super impressed with the vivid color and dynamic range of the Panasonic. The Sony is nice but the Panasonic was definitely more vivid.

[@amhtxc2960]

For someone without lenses from any system, it looks like a no brainier to me. Those 500 dollars that you can invest in a good lens at the expense of pretty much nothing...And the better colors, better ISO perfromance, better stabilization, video features...It´s great to have another serious option for the full frame hardcore aficionados in any case! Those that really need the superbest autofocus with more frames per second or more megapixels would go for more specific cameras anyway and not these all-rounders. Just an opinion from someone from the Nikon and Pentax realms who seeks pragmatism over anything else...

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great perspective. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@winfcad]

I like Panasonic for skin tones. Highlight rolling is wonderful! Red from Panasonic is beautiful.

[@Viewtolove]

I think Sony in this class has a too much yellow cast on Caucasian skin and asphalt on the street and walls… Panasonic with the Leica L2 engine, does better in this regard….

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Color is a personal decision.

[@kentmemories]

S5ii wins hand down in Color/skin tone Video UX UI Ergo Screen IBIS Sony wins if you need 33mp and Tamron. AFs are equal and useable 99% of the time. KEY is the better choice is cheaper too.

[@catattackcat8754]

Can't agree more, but Sony has more great lenses (GM) like the 12-24 14, 24, 35, 50, 85, 135 GM etc. Panasonic only has the fantastic 50mm, 24-70mm and 70-200mm S Pro, I like them more than the GM options but they are heavier.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@William305-k6q]

@@catattackcat8754 with 50mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm with these lenses I can do everything.

[@theacechip]

It is interesting to see that the Lumix S5 has gone from a " S5- Who ??" to " S5-II Woo Hoo!! " just by the addition of PDAF. Everyone who is anyone in photography will now pay close attention to the Lumix lineup. I myself was almost a card swipe away from an S5 purchase last year, but eventually moved over to the A7 IV. No regrets though, but glad that Panasonic is making headlines.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you are happy with your decision! Thanks for watching!

[@sansin6250]

8:50 the Panny looks so soft compared to the Sony! Definitely SilkyPix is applying heavy noise removal. Or its the in-camera high ISO noise removal kicking in for the Panny.

[@TheSlantedLens]

I always feel it is a handicap when I can't run them both through adobe raw. But we did the best we could with what we had.

[@kennethcmerrill]

Noise removal was not toggled in SilkyPix.

[@johnvillalovos]

What firmware versions were on the cameras for the comparisons? I had heard that Panasonic had released quite a few firmware upgrades since the Tokyo presentation.

[@TheSlantedLens]

These were shot in Tokyo so the firmware has been updated a couple of times since.

[@johnvillalovos]

@@TheSlantedLens Thanks!

[@local130]

The Sony A74 does not have any recording limit. I’ve also never had it overheat and we record long videos sometimes over 2 hours. I do love the LUMIX stabilization and image though. It seems more organic, less digital.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, you are correct. And we have had the same experience. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@rogerlongenbach5015]

These should be compared again but with the Sigma art lenses so that the same optical build could be compared (E v L mount)

[@TheSlantedLens]

People have varied opinions about this. We always choose to go with native glass.

[@kennethcmerrill]

Yeah every time we use third party lenses, people wish we'd used native haha. Can't make everyone happy.

[@iamhassan9943]

@@TheSlantedLens Leica L, Sigma L and Lumix L mount lenses are ALL native lenses irrespective of which of those L Mount cameras you put the lens on. Not sure why people keep getting this wrong. Sigma L mount IS native to Lumix L Mount and Leica L and so on they all share the same mount protocols. Sean from Lumix USA (an employee of Lumix) explained this clearly on his live stream.

[@TheMaciejgancarz]

Yes bit Sigma for Sony isn't native.

[@vladislavihl]

When I look at portraits presented here side by side, I can see the leaves in the background are yellow and green in the S5m2 picture and simply yellow in the A7m4 picture. Maybe, this is because of quasi Leica colors provided by the Panasonic 50mm f1.4 lens… I have one on my S5m1 and it is awesome (even if bulky and heavy). As a landscape photographer I prefer more colors‘ variety in my pictures and for that reason I liked the S5m2 photos here a bit better. But! Was the autofocus with the Panasonic 50mm f1.4 really not usable with the new S5m2 (or just much slower than with Panasonic 50mm f1.8)?

[@TheSlantedLens]

It was simply slower. I would have no qualms using it in a portrait or landscape situation.

[@zolwikwkurwik]

What are the recording limits of A7IV that you guy talk about at 17:00?

[@shadownin784]

Yeah wondering the same thing. I have the A7iv and it doesn’t have a recording time limit. They may be confused with the a7III

[@zolwikwkurwik]

@@shadownin784 sony should give us a JUICY A7IV firmware update giving less 4k60 cropp (like 1.2x instead of 1.5x) and custom LUT loader/baker

[@TheSlantedLens]

That was a misquote on our part. There is not recording limit on the a7 IV. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@walrusgumboot]

No official limit, but it does overheat sometimes which stops the recording.

[@shadownin784]

@@walrusgumboot I’ve used it for long records in 4k and haven’t had it overheat yet. I’ve heard it used to happen on earlier firmware. Might need to check to see if yours has a firmware update available

[@stefansipl6736]

I don‘t understand why you are so excited about the Panasonic‘s high iso capabilities. All the details lost…

[@TheSlantedLens]

We felt like it held the details. Thanks for your comment!

[@berndschubert1426]

Thanks for your expertise. Here in Germany, where i am from, the discussion which camera is the best is dominated by much influencers. The direction is clear: Sony is the best, ever. No chance for other companies. So i was surprised aboeut your clear votings. Best AF, compliance, Stabilization and so on. I learned so much from you. But my decision for a new cam ? Panasonic or Fujifilm X-H2 .

[@TheSlantedLens]

We have a comparison coming out in a couple weeks. Look for it!

[@Viewtolove]

I think Sony in this class has a too much yellow cast on Caucasian skin and asphalt on the street and walls… Panasonic with the Leica L2 engine, does better in this regard….

[@TheSlantedLens]

Totally agree. Thanks for sharing your observations!

[@CHTFilms]

I don't like red skintones from Panasonic. It just looks cheap. Yellowish is at least cinematic 🤷

[@MrJapanforce]

Panasonic of course!. Once a Panasonic, always Panasonic. Period!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad to hear from a die hard Panasonic user!

[@YaYousef5]

Incredible video on these two cameras. Thanks to both of you! 😁

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are welcome! Thanks for your support!

[@Myndsetfilms]

Sony a7iv does overheated on me in two event indoor AC hall

[@TheSlantedLens]

That is unfortunate. Hope you had a backup camera!

[@deepdas7168]

At first portrait images i found panasonic more detailed and has more sharpness

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, we saw that as well. It is very encouraging to see.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

It is really odd to consider the A7VI and S5II "entry level". How much money do KZbin photographers think people typically have? Can we please stop pretending that 24 vs 33mp is a significant difference? That is 17% more, the difference between a 20 x 30" print and a 23.5 x 35" print. Please tell me which client or "entry level" photographer will ever notice the difference? You mock the 20mp to 24mp change, which is 10%, but think 17% is something to celebrate?

[@TheSlantedLens]

For full frame cameras they are the most affordable. That is what the point was.

[@Panther-]

Ok Jp Morgan not all of us own an investment firm to be able to call the a7iv an entry beginner camera 😆😅

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is an entry level full frame camera. (Do you need a loan???😉)

[@giancarloarrobarodriguez5291]

It is indeed a entry level FF mirror less camera….. 🤔 does Sony have something cheaper for FF?

[@tiewlarun8043]

Panasonic ausome

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you like it. Thanks for watching!

[@udardare]

do you use the human or glasses eyes option in the autofocus test ? You can used humane so as not to lose focus.

[@TheSlantedLens]

On Sony we used Human Eye Detect. On Panasonic we used Human which prioritizes eyes but switches to head and then to body when eye is not visible.

[@SD-ft6gs]

not to be funny but… an entry level camera is a canon R10 or a panasonic G9 or a sony a6700 these are midrange cameras… not “very much entry level” in any sense of those words.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We are talking full frame entry into the pro market. Mid range is another great way to say it!

[@FiZ]

I'm not entirely sure what you guys were talking about on the ISO test. Sure, the Sony was grainier, but also WAY sharper. Like, the Panasonic almost looked downright blurry compared to Sony. Plus, that green color-shift was apparent even on the pipes before you got to the sign.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, the green color shift was there in the scene. And it seems like the Lumix may have applied some noise reduction which would have softened the image.

[@kifley19]

I agree. The Sony was way sharper.

[@juscuro]

Definitely not entry level cameras

[@TheSlantedLens]

Entry into the pro market. And the best up to date full frame options at that price point.

[@KhusbooKhatoon-pj3cy]

Thanks u...😊

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are very welcome 😊. Thanks for watching!

[@azatakmatov1440]

Hello, Please tell me what camera was used to film you two.

[@GloriousMiniatures]

Thank you for the great video! My current camera is the very lovely GH5, but over Christmas I decided to go full frame. I was pretty set on the Sony a7 IV, but was completely unaware of the incoming S5 ii x! I have zero lenses in either format, so there was a lot of back and forth. Most of my content isn't exactly demandin: tabletop miniature painting & hopefully some tabletop wargaming, but I prefer to buy once and make the most informed decision I can. Saying that, I do finally want to try & get out & take more photos this year. I'll be going with the Panasonic, thank you for insight!

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are welcome. Glad you figured out what you wanted. Enjoy!