Panasonic Lumix S5 II vs Sony a7 IV - Which is Better?

[@DavidHarrisGRI]

$2000 full frame "entry level". Geez, I hate that phrase. Like you should be ashamed to be seen with one of these amateurish toys. Seriously, not every photog needs 30 frames per second or 60 megapixals or a massive camera body with built-in vertical grip and networking features. These so-called entry level cameras can do everything most pros need to do.

[@Valerossi0]

indeed , its a dull naming for such features packed superb cameras. eos rp is a entry level full frame just around 1000 bucks. good for single shot photography, thats all.

[@TheSlantedLens]

The term is misleading. These are the least expensive entry level full frame cameras. And they are certainly professional level cameras!

[@DavidHarrisGRI]

@@Valerossi0 Actually, I own an RP as well as an R6. The RP is a great little video camera for a 3 axis gimbal. Tony and Chelsea Northrop had like 7 of them they used as their primary video cams for their chanel, so it is capable of decent video too if you aren't into grading. I use it on a rotator for 360's too. I wouldn't really call it a professional model, but I have made a ton of money with it, and it fits nicely into the compact niche. Not my "entry" camera, just the right tool for certain jobs.

[@shaolin95]

No photographer needs what you don't need?? Such narrow minded view

[@DavidHarrisGRI]

@@shaolin95 I said "not every photog needs...", not "no other". Use what you want or need. I just think the industry tagging higher end cameras like these as "entry level" is kind of insulting, and a not so subtle push for the people who buy them to keep moving up to the next level whether they need to or not.

[@justinwehland]

As a photographer I chose Panasonic and the reason was some of the features Panasonic offers. Live Composite, time lapse, high resolution 96mp in camera on tripod. They seem to have better transitions from light to dark and not something that was easily edited out of the Sony. The s5ii does seem to have a different color profile than previous Lumix cameras not sure if that is a good or bad thing. As I get more into video the s5ii will be tempting,

[@TheSlantedLens]

The S5 II has beautiful color and I think you will find that it still holds the transitions from light to dark.

[@justinwehland]

@@TheSlantedLens awesome to hear. I'll have to decide if the ii offers enough over my s5. Probably just finish selling off my m43 kit and get it as a second body. Very happy Panasonic added phase detect as I was about to get a Sony as a second body just for video AF.

[@erbterb]

Is it a sony sensor/detect function in the S5 or a L mount alliance version?

[@justinwehland]

@@erbterb Not sure I follow your question here? What are you asking?

[@erbterb]

@@justinwehland I am wondering if the phase detect is from panasonic or licensed from sony or another manufacturer.

[@jayclas4023]

The Panasonic looked better visually during the AF test. Maybe because it was darker, but it looked more pleasing to me

[@TheSlantedLens]

I am super impressed with the vivid color and dynamic range of the Panasonic. The Sony is nice but the Panasonic was definitely more vivid.

[@God_gave_His_Son_for_you]

My a7iv overheats and shuts down during outdoor daylight video shoots. For anyone considering purchasing a full frame (for paid video work) in the price range the S5ii seems the only logical choice.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We haven't had issues with the a7 IV overheating but we know other people have. That fan in the S5 II really makes sense!

[@michaelreaves6212]

This is good info, I am trying to decide between these two systems, so thanks for sharing!

[@bashfullJ88]

@@michaelreaves6212Also check out Canon R6 2 before you make your decision.

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

@@TheSlantedLens Is this in shooting in high settings? Does shooting in lower settings like 1080p help lesson this from happening?

[@classicshutter369]

I didnt have any overheating issues shooting in 4k 60fps for continous 45 mins

[@Yourguitarworkshop]

thank you for an awesome review! I almost bought the original S5 2 months ago and I am so happy I waited. I think if the Sony is a 9 for AF then the panasonic feels more like 8-8.5. it is really quite close. I also expect there will be firmware updates for AF and other things,based on the reviews and feedback on this camera. I will definitely get my hands on the S5 II X this summer.

[@denis5850]

The s5 II is more 6.5 Fuji 7.5 sony 8.5 and canon 9

[@TheSlantedLens]

I wouldn't put Canon at the top. From my experience Sony is top, then Panasonic, then Canon.

[@AdminTechnopedia]

@@TheSlantedLens How about Fujifilm PDAF, it below Panasonic or above ?

[@Uninfluenceable]

It REALLY, REALLY REALLY depends on the lenses you use. The old DSLR style spinney focus motor or new STM lenses like the one in the RF50mm f1.8, I'd rate the AF tracking accuracy as a 4/10 at best with my R6mk2. However, a new L-Lens like the RF70-200mm f4 with the dual linear USM focus motor, the AF is a solid 9.5/10. The focus is almost telepathic as to how good it is when shooting super fast moving and erratic subjects like motorsports or dogs running around the yard. The same is true for the Sony, the modern XD lenses are incredible, whilst the old Zeiss lenses with the spinning motors are not as great at tracking. Tho I do agree with you that Canon AF when using a linear focus L-lens is better at tracking than Sony, BUT the Sony is actually better when using an older DSLR type lens, the Canon feel intentionally crippled at using old or non-linear lenses, just hunts constantly whereas the Sony does it less so.

[@Lowns_300]

​@@denis5850huh lol s5ii is one of the better ones I've ever used right behind sony

[@markshirley01]

The rear screen on the Panasonic is brighter and sharper on the S5II (see richard wong) plus you missed 6K open gate recording - this is a very useful feature for social media shooters on the S5II.

[@Valerossi0]

live time composite, in camera time lapse, high res photo, real time lut, 30fps burst

[@markshirley01]

@@Valerossi0 😆👍

[@TheSlantedLens]

So many things to talk about. Great point, the 6k is incredible!

[@unknowncaller4739]

@@TheSlantedLens 😂

[@amhtxc2960]

For someone without lenses from any system, it looks like a no brainier to me. Those 500 dollars that you can invest in a good lens at the expense of pretty much nothing...And the better colors, better ISO perfromance, better stabilization, video features...It´s great to have another serious option for the full frame hardcore aficionados in any case! Those that really need the superbest autofocus with more frames per second or more megapixels would go for more specific cameras anyway and not these all-rounders. Just an opinion from someone from the Nikon and Pentax realms who seeks pragmatism over anything else...

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great perspective. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@RondellKB]

I just got the big brother s5iix brand new for $2200 with the 20-60mm AND 50mm

[@nickcarneyphotography]

Regarding resolution, it shouldn't be understated that Panasonic has the best implementation of pixel shift high resolution mode on the market. Motion corrected, all done in camera. For landscape scenes or even studio scenes, it's really useful compared to most other brand's implementations.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great point. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@johnvillalovos]

What firmware versions were on the cameras for the comparisons? I had heard that Panasonic had released quite a few firmware upgrades since the Tokyo presentation.

[@TheSlantedLens]

These were shot in Tokyo so the firmware has been updated a couple of times since.

[@johnvillalovos]

@@TheSlantedLens Thanks!

[@winfcad]

I like Panasonic for skin tones. Highlight rolling is wonderful! Red from Panasonic is beautiful.

[@Viewtolove]

I think Sony in this class has a too much yellow cast on Caucasian skin and asphalt on the street and walls… Panasonic with the Leica L2 engine, does better in this regard….

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Color is a personal decision.

[@Lifetogo]

What was the setting on the S5 II while the stabilisation test? 4K 60 APSC crop or non crop? Thank you 🙏

[@TheSlantedLens]

It was in 4K no crop. Thank you!

[@Lifetogo]

@@TheSlantedLens 👍

[@zolwikwkurwik]

What are the recording limits of A7IV that you guy talk about at 17:00?

[@shadownin784]

Yeah wondering the same thing. I have the A7iv and it doesn’t have a recording time limit. They may be confused with the a7III

[@zolwikwkurwik]

@@shadownin784 sony should give us a JUICY A7IV firmware update giving less 4k60 cropp (like 1.2x instead of 1.5x) and custom LUT loader/baker

[@TheSlantedLens]

That was a misquote on our part. There is not recording limit on the a7 IV. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@walrusgumboot]

No official limit, but it does overheat sometimes which stops the recording.

[@shadownin784]

@@walrusgumboot I’ve used it for long records in 4k and haven’t had it overheat yet. I’ve heard it used to happen on earlier firmware. Might need to check to see if yours has a firmware update available

[@Lifetogo]

So the S Pro 50mm F1.4 is not good for video and autofocus combination = too slow?

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is a lens that has two motors and doesn't focus as fast as the newer lens. But it is super sharp and a great lens.

[@Lifetogo]

@@TheSlantedLens Thank you very much

[@theacechip]

It is interesting to see that the Lumix S5 has gone from a " S5- Who ??" to " S5-II Woo Hoo!! " just by the addition of PDAF. Everyone who is anyone in photography will now pay close attention to the Lumix lineup. I myself was almost a card swipe away from an S5 purchase last year, but eventually moved over to the A7 IV. No regrets though, but glad that Panasonic is making headlines.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you are happy with your decision! Thanks for watching!

[@RelaxingNatureAmbience007]

Excellent in-depth review of both the cameras

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thank you. Glad you found it worthwhile!

[@williamburkholder769]

It really could go either way, depending upon use cases. FINALLY, Panasonic can do decent AF, and their video tools are first rate. This is a good development for the entire photo community, since it will encourage others to innovate.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Nicely said. Thanks for your comment!

[@michaels8607]

@@bbasleigh6149 LIES.. The L series lenses are NOT less expensive. Check your fake claims,starting with the 24-70mm f4. Oh and about a lens being 'heavy', are you a grown man or a princess?

[@michaels8607]

@@bbasleigh6149 First of all you are right in that it's bad manners that you told a blatant LIE about the lenses. You are also right that you do not have a sense of humor,you ARE the humor...GOSh???Are you going to cry or tell your Mommy I hurt your little feelings??????whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....Check the facts with B&H,,duhhhhhhhhh....

[@michaels8607]

@@bbasleigh6149 This was something I posted TWO MONTHS AGO>>>>>>>>".Number two..Panasonic is NOT cheaper...24-105 mm 2.8 is $2300 and the Panasonic is $2800+,,That means I can get to Sony body, the 24-105,and the Sony E10 for about the same price..That means either someone is trying to LIE,or someone never went to math class...Number three..WE had this dusty old conversation a few years ago,and even with THREE Panasonic bodies, they still could not sell more cameras than the ONE Sony body..."...Evidently you were so busy bringing up the rear after months, you failed to READ the facts...NEXT!!!! Checkmate!

[@sansin6250]

8:50 the Panny looks so soft compared to the Sony! Definitely SilkyPix is applying heavy noise removal. Or its the in-camera high ISO noise removal kicking in for the Panny.

[@TheSlantedLens]

I always feel it is a handicap when I can't run them both through adobe raw. But we did the best we could with what we had.

[@kennethcmerrill]

Noise removal was not toggled in SilkyPix.

[@l64-thejourney]

You mean intermediate to professional, I always thinks its very misleading when you guys be talking about "entry level" cameras and you have a host of people using these cameras making a great living "professionally " off these cameras. To people who don't understand the context of what you mean it discourages and confuses them when they go camera shopping and makes them think they have to spend thousands of dollars just to get a quality camera that can get the job done. Nothing is entry level about either one of these great cameras.

[@local130]

The Sony A74 does not have any recording limit. I’ve also never had it overheat and we record long videos sometimes over 2 hours. I do love the LUMIX stabilization and image though. It seems more organic, less digital.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, you are correct. And we have had the same experience. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@kienjack4827]

very detail, exactly what I am looking for from a comparison video

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad to hear! Thanks for your comment!

[@donpepe9536]

Informative comparison test, thanks for it. I tested both, the Sony a7 Mark IV was nice. I do not need this many frames/second. However it was weird, the Sony with original 85mm lens focused many times on the eye-lashes and not on the eye (eye-detection enabled). So I tested the Lumix S5 (old version), and for my purpose, the results were stunning ( colors, sharpness, IBIS, etc.). Not to forget the balanced size of the body with the 1.8/85mm lens. And the possibility for creating videos. And, what was not covered in the video. The CFexpress A cards (for the Sony) are much costlier than SD-cards. And you need more than 1 piece! Thankfully I waited over X-Mas/New Year with my order, so I will go for the new Lumix S5 Mark ii. For sure! The difference in price will be invested in lenses.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Sounds like a great plan. Let us know how you like you S5 II!

[@KeepingThisTech]

at 16:57 - what's the recording limit for the A7iv??

[@kifley19]

Overheating. There is no time limit.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for your comments and thanks for watching!

[@Picraptorr]

Thank you. For the first time after watching 30 to 40 videos; I finally found the worthy one. Simple and concrete. That's what we all need.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad it helped! Thanks for your comment!

[@vladislavihl]

When I look at portraits presented here side by side, I can see the leaves in the background are yellow and green in the S5m2 picture and simply yellow in the A7m4 picture. Maybe, this is because of quasi Leica colors provided by the Panasonic 50mm f1.4 lens… I have one on my S5m1 and it is awesome (even if bulky and heavy). As a landscape photographer I prefer more colors‘ variety in my pictures and for that reason I liked the S5m2 photos here a bit better. But! Was the autofocus with the Panasonic 50mm f1.4 really not usable with the new S5m2 (or just much slower than with Panasonic 50mm f1.8)?

[@TheSlantedLens]

It was simply slower. I would have no qualms using it in a portrait or landscape situation.

[@GGray-qb9zl]

Great review ! Thank you guys so much! Could you do the same comparison Panasonic s5 mark 2 against Fuji xh2s, that would be so cool to see , both of this system compete right now as the best hybrid solution. Hey people support that comment

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great suggestion. We will see what we can do!

[@kentmemories]

S5ii wins hand down in Color/skin tone Video UX UI Ergo Screen IBIS Sony wins if you need 33mp and Tamron. AFs are equal and useable 99% of the time. KEY is the better choice is cheaper too.

[@catattackcat8754]

Can't agree more, but Sony has more great lenses (GM) like the 12-24 14, 24, 35, 50, 85, 135 GM etc. Panasonic only has the fantastic 50mm, 24-70mm and 70-200mm S Pro, I like them more than the GM options but they are heavier.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great points. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@William305-k6q]

@@catattackcat8754 with 50mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm with these lenses I can do everything.

[@wildlifehouse]

Which do you think is best for shooting bird and wildlife videos (no photos) with a telephoto lens (e.g., 60-600 mm or 200-600mm): (1) Sony FX30, (2) Sony A7IV or (3) Lumix S5ii? Thanks!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Any of those 3 cameras would be fantastic!

[@rakhithamanchanayaka6271]

Same question I had. Does Lumix S5ii have better telephoto lens options?

[@claytonmoore2091]

My guess is that the AF comparison is a non issue at this early stage. Its almost guaranteed that the Panasonic is only one or two firmware upgrades away from being indistinguishable between the two.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good point. Totally agree. Thanks for your comment!

[@tds3653]

Absolutely! Panasonic blow everyone out of the water with their firmware upgrades. It shows you they really care about their customers.

[@The__Watchmen__]

The S5ii is going to be a really popular product for Panasonic. I just sold my very popular compact camera (Canon G7x mkii) and replaced it with the Panasonic S5ii, and seeing the results, as a camera novice, I'm very happy with this camera.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great to hear. Enjoy your photography!

[@DNKR45]

Great Video guys, thanks a lot from Munich ! 😃

[@TheSlantedLens]

Our pleasure! Love your beautiful city!

[@YaYousef5]

Incredible video on these two cameras. Thanks to both of you! 😁

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are welcome! Thanks for your support!

[@udardare]

do you use the human or glasses eyes option in the autofocus test ? You can used humane so as not to lose focus.

[@TheSlantedLens]

On Sony we used Human Eye Detect. On Panasonic we used Human which prioritizes eyes but switches to head and then to body when eye is not visible.

[@akmatovmotion]

Hello, Please tell me what camera was used to film you two.

[@JorgeMC-mg2kd]

what do you mean entry level cameras, should I ged the hasselblad? , thanks for you entry level review

[@TheSlantedLens]

We mean these are the best, most current Full Frame cameras at the bottom price tier. Less expensive full frame cameras will be older or crop sensor.

[@JurajHatina]

Thanks guys as always excellent video and very informative and entertaining at the same time!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your comment!

[@SewTubular]

How are you setting the color for your shots ? Are you balancing off a grey or white card, or are you using Kelvin temps ?

[@mattstolzman]

AF test, were you using human detection or eye detection? Human detection seems better on S5 II with current firmware.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We used the human detection on the S5 II.

[@metreweli]

I started watching and right away have a question? What version of Sony A7iv you have.. after 40-45 minutes of 4k it has overheating warning.. no matter what setting I change.. and stabilisation.. They are comparable? I would say NO

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, the Panasonic is better for the overheating issue. Have you updated your firmware on the Sony?

[@rw3452]

Another really useful and entertaining video.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks! We appreciate that. Thanks for watching!

[@samanshp]

Great comparison. Was the talking-head part of the video shot on the Canon C200?

[@TheSlantedLens]

We shot that with the Sony FX6.

[@SammySantiagoIrizarry]

Excellent video!!!

[@CAZOlsen]

Very nice comparison thank you for the great video

[@TheSlantedLens]

My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it!

[@GloriousMiniatures]

Thank you for the great video! My current camera is the very lovely GH5, but over Christmas I decided to go full frame. I was pretty set on the Sony a7 IV, but was completely unaware of the incoming S5 ii x! I have zero lenses in either format, so there was a lot of back and forth. Most of my content isn't exactly demandin: tabletop miniature painting & hopefully some tabletop wargaming, but I prefer to buy once and make the most informed decision I can. Saying that, I do finally want to try & get out & take more photos this year. I'll be going with the Panasonic, thank you for insight!

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are welcome. Glad you figured out what you wanted. Enjoy!

[@Finstastic]

Excellent video, guys. What camera was this recorded on. Thank you.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We filmed with the Sony a7 IV and the Lumix S5 II

[@Finstastic]

@TheSlantedLens thank you so much. So I presume the shots for the s5ii was with the Sony and the sony with the s5ii

[@rakhithamanchanayaka6271]

What are the better zoom lenses available for Lumix S5ii ?

[@TheSlantedLens]

They have a great 70-200 f/4, and a great 24-70mm f/2.8: bhpho.to/3Kgn5Mg

[@markguerin6071]

Thanks for the video guys! Hope you're having fun over there!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks Mark. It was a great experience!

[@Colorado4x4]

I love how you guys respond to comments! What a great video! Do you think the Panasonic would do ok for some amateur sports shooting? Has the autofocus caught up enough?

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, I think it has caught up with autofocus and it has a great frame rate. The Sony is exceptional as well.

[@Colorado4x4]

@@TheSlantedLens thanks for the reply!!!

[@orange42]

This is what it should have been 6 years ago. A variety of great options to choose from with no huge downsides.

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is nice to finally have this option!

[@mcronfpv8736]

It would have been good to have this in the early 1990s. Now it's so outdated it's unusable, I only deliver content in 8k and shoot 16k120 raw.

[@AoyagiAichou]

@@mcronfpv8736 You're still stuck in 2D recording then?

[@mcronfpv8736]

@@AoyagiAichou i forgot to mention I shoot with an arraw of 2 to 8 cameras so I can deliver 3D... But this is getting outdated most my clients wants 7D now

[@ZeroFuxBE]

I'm a Panasonic boy all the way but I have to say... In the lowlight test the Panasonic clearly looks NR filtered compared to the sony. The sony stays way sharper throughout the iso range. Pana has color shifting everything. Bet your settings were completely fucked to do a proper "scientific" comparison test.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yeah, it seems like there might be some auto noise reduction happening.

[@FiZ]

I'm not entirely sure what you guys were talking about on the ISO test. Sure, the Sony was grainier, but also WAY sharper. Like, the Panasonic almost looked downright blurry compared to Sony. Plus, that green color-shift was apparent even on the pipes before you got to the sign.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, the green color shift was there in the scene. And it seems like the Lumix may have applied some noise reduction which would have softened the image.

[@kifley19]

I agree. The Sony was way sharper.

[@junyulu1403]

Is there a reason to use silkypix on the s5 photos?

[@TheSlantedLens]

That was before it was available in Adobe Raw.

[@MarcAdesso]

Would like to see a video like this comparing the Nikon z6II with the Panny

[@TheSlantedLens]

That is one we haven't done. We will check into that.

[@企鵝大戰北極熊]

if I always take the photo but also sometimes maybe take some video then should I have s5 II or a7 IV ?

[@TheSlantedLens]

The a7 IV has a higher megapixel count, so I would say that is better for stills.

[@hamidn5857]

Hi.It's a dilemma for me to choose one of these cameras for commercial works and short films. Gh6 vs s5iix vs fuji xh2s vs a7iv?🤔

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is a tough battle between the S5 II X and the a7 IV. The Panasonic is less expensive but the Sony has more megapixels. I would choose depending on which lens system you are invested in.

[@msamiullah001]

great comparison, thanks for doing a detailed one here !!!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for your feedback!

[@Aviciiz]

Funny how I didn't notice much of a difference during the picture quality test, but during the autofocus and stabilisation test I noticed a huge difference in color.

[@TheSlantedLens]

That is just raw footage off the cameras. The S5 II had a Rec 709 in camera real time lut applied. The Sony was a neutral profile.

[@oscarm4154]

So how do you open the .RW2 / RAW files?

[@TheSlantedLens]

For the Sony we used Adobe Camera Raw. For the Panasonic with used SilkyPIX.

[@chaitanyaharshe8479]

I am thinking to upgrade my personal camera kit from D750 and 70-200 f/2.8 e fl ed vr. to Panasonic S5ii and panasonic 70-200 f4 (reason for f4 is firstly 2.8 lens is way costlier and the kit from where I am coming ISO performance is so good of these mirrorless cameras that one stop does not feel a big compromise for the money saved) is it okay or should I consider 2.8 lens only?

[@TheSlantedLens]

I have shot with the 70-200mm f/4 and it is a great lens. But one of my favorite lenses for photographing people is a 70-200 f/2.8. If you can swing the cost I would get the f/2.8.

[@WilliamAbbate]

Since when did the A74 have recording limits? I’ve recorded for over an hour and a half oh mine.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Sorry about that mistake. Thanks for your feedback!

[@Jeo-What]

Thanks for the video. Not sure if the S5 II is cleaner at higher ISO (like the Canon R6/R6II) or it's due to that the A7IV does not have AA filter on its sensor which creates more details. Personally, I rather have the option to remove the noise myself than have it done by the manufacture for me. The ability of holding onto the true color at high ISO is also more important to me than less noise since my clients will not be zooming 100% into the images but will notice the colors immediately. Can't stand the blue cast on all the S5 II images while the skin tone is more pleasant on the A7IV.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for sharing your observations. Great points.

[@kennethcmerrill]

Man you might be exactly right about that AA filter. That would explain a lot!

[@William305-k6q]

the R6/R6II are not "entry level"

[@Jeo-What]

@@William305-k6q Are we still on the topic of image quality or are we talking about something else?

[@Ralph7D]

I have been shooting Sony (in journalism) for many years (and many other brands) and I can just say that i loved the S5ii as soon as I hold it. And I also love the performance so far. I have hade it for a couple of weeks now but no real pro shoot yet.

[@BlackZEddie]

You guys are aware SilkyPIX applies noise reduction by default? It increases the NR depending on noise. In the ISO test, the S5 looked very soft. It's probably because of the NR.

[@slows728]

Indeed.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, we were assuming that must be the case. Thanks for that observation.

[@DuopolyJul]

Which camera strap are you using on the a7iv at minute 16?

[@TheSlantedLens]

It's a Vanguard camera strap: www.vanguardworld.com/products/veo-optic-guard-ns-brown

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

I noticed the Sony had more noise at higher iso however it had way more detail. Look at the wood grain in the crop in. The Panasonic had built in NR however it made the image quite soft. That’s my observation from your own presentation. Also. The lenses themselves factor in. Did you have the both set at the same f stop ?

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, they were both set at the same f/stop. We are wondering about Silkypix and if it automatically reduces some noise. We will test it and let you all know our findings.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

@@TheSlantedLens I’m really enjoying your review style. Point form. No babbling. Great info. Respect. I had another look at your video. I truly believe Panasonic has inbuilt NR.. I’ve also seen that the Sony does better in ISO when it relates to video. Might be worth investigating. Apparently the 7k downsampling reduces noise. Might be worth investigating. I’ve seen on other channels with photos Panasonic wins but with video the Sony beats it.

[@rogerlongenbach5015]

These should be compared again but with the Sigma art lenses so that the same optical build could be compared (E v L mount)

[@TheSlantedLens]

People have varied opinions about this. We always choose to go with native glass.

[@kennethcmerrill]

Yeah every time we use third party lenses, people wish we'd used native haha. Can't make everyone happy.

[@iamhassan9943]

@@TheSlantedLens Leica L, Sigma L and Lumix L mount lenses are ALL native lenses irrespective of which of those L Mount cameras you put the lens on. Not sure why people keep getting this wrong. Sigma L mount IS native to Lumix L Mount and Leica L and so on they all share the same mount protocols. Sean from Lumix USA (an employee of Lumix) explained this clearly on his live stream.

[@TheMaciejgancarz]

Yes bit Sigma for Sony isn't native.

[@grom5756]

It looks to me that the S5 II has high iso noise reduction, to add, great video, as always, thank you for the work you put.

[@amhtxc2960]

Yes, the Sony looks sharper although noisier at higher ISOs in the supermagnified crops. Might be is the lens or those extra megapixels? Internal noise reduction to he raw files or just the different processing of the software? In any case I do not think is noticeable in the normal or not-too-much magnified image. I´d go with less noise in this case.

[@DennisSchmitz]

there's definitely some heavy noise reduction on the S5II. Wondering why they didn't use the same program for both cameras?

[@grom5756]

@@DennisSchmitz most probably Adobe doesn't support S5 II yet

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good points. Thanks for sharing your thougthts!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Adobe has not released the Raw support yet.

[@berndschubert1426]

Thanks for your expertise. Here in Germany, where i am from, the discussion which camera is the best is dominated by much influencers. The direction is clear: Sony is the best, ever. No chance for other companies. So i was surprised aboeut your clear votings. Best AF, compliance, Stabilization and so on. I learned so much from you. But my decision for a new cam ? Panasonic or Fujifilm X-H2 .

[@TheSlantedLens]

We have a comparison coming out in a couple weeks. Look for it!

[@misha1151]

What’s the deal with Sony’s stabilization? I’ve seen many videos about it - there are few stabilization options in Sony, that look great. Did you turn it off or what?

[@cyrilhamel8289]

I'd mention a little more the advantage of Sony mount's lenses, both from Sony and from third parties. And as always when the two of you work together, this video was very fun to watch (and filled with excellent information too! 😉). Keep up the good work 🙂

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great point. And thanks for your support!

[@Mrine2372]

Amazing video, especially as a beginner looking to get into the hobby. I was curious, I noticed there was an S5 IIX version that had some better video features? Is it worth the extra $200? (I was planning on getting into photography as a hobby, as well as it serving the back up function of a cam for streaming)

[@theSUBVERSIVE]

It's only worth it for people that really need better video streaming and wireless capabilities, more robust codec options - and much bigger files - and more RAW video capabilities, etc. these are things that not even most KZbinrs need.

[@TheSlantedLens]

I would get the S5 IIX. It has great external recording and stronger video features. It is worth the money and the wait.

[@zolwikwkurwik]

I'm sorry, I stopped at 8:56 to make this comment. You guys are talking about A7IV getting more noise but you are not seeing that S5II is loosing so much detail (look at the wents on the right) and make everything all mushy like there is a strong noise reduction. It looks like a smarphone pic. For me the A7IV wins the iso battle. So much detail even on 51200 iso.

[@grom5756]

I agree, looks like noise reduction to me as well

[@slows728]

There is an issue with their raw files because they used a software who keeps the noise reduction backed in the raw files, it was the same story for the GH6. So it's hard to say if Sony is better or not.

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is not ideal when we can't run them both through the Adobe raw. When Adobe has an update we will have a better idea. Thanks for your comments!

[@churchill378]

Agreed. Also I guarantee if I used noise reduction on a higher noise photo I would still get more details from 33mp on my A7iv.

[@slows728]

@@TheSlantedLens Indeed, I think the S5 II ISO performance must be more or less the same than the first S5. The A7IV is less good because of the 33MP, but if you downsize the picture to 24MP, they are very similar.

[@Sk8Wine]

Really good conclusion!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thank you, we appreciate that!

[@mylifein75sqft87]

I'm betting the more pixels in the Sony was the reason that the ISO tests seemed to favor the S5. Panasonic made a, I think, GH5 S version that only had 10M pixels which was better for low light video because each pixel was bigger allowing more light to hit each one. Just a guess.

[@TheSlantedLens]

That is an interesting thought. Thanks for sharing!

[@indago1]

I really likeed the Leica story 😁 great video

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you liked it! Thanks for sharing your comment!

[@RBoyle-fn5hh]

I've been researching a "best" camera for an upcoming trip to Italy in which I will be doing a project which will require still and video....thus a hybrid camera is perfect. I have looked at Canon, Sony, Fuji, Nikon, and Panasonic...your review has added yet another overall "score" for the Panasonic s5ii. Overall, for my project, I think the S5ii will wind up being my choice. Now...to choose the proper lens/es...MORE research!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Hope you are happy with your choice and imagery from Italy!

[@zolwikwkurwik]

Shame that you guys didn't make AF test with photo while the subject is moving. I wonder how much keepers would get the sony and how much panasonic. Thanks for the video btw!

[@TheSlantedLens]

You can see a stills autofocus test in stills in the S5 II review we did last week. Take a look at it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYrahoywaN9lkLs

[@slows728]

No mention of 6k and 6k open gate for the S5II ?

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yes, it does 5952 x 3968 at 23.98/24.00/25/29.97 fps [200 Mb/s]

[@slows728]

@@TheSlantedLens Thanks, another reason to get the S5II.

[@andersistbesser]

You did not mention the 6k panas has, which is a huge one for me.

[@kennethcmerrill]

Yeah we should have mentioned that!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good point. Thanks for your thoughts!

[@HJN67]

I know for those to companies, these are there cheapest offers in FF, but I cannot except a +2000USD pricetag being called "entry level". Also, these cameras are so advanced, and with so many specs, a new photographer would have a challenging time figuring out how to use them optimal. Then again - these days, a sub 1000USD MILC is so advance even advanced photographer have a tough time figuring out how to set up their cameras.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thanks for your comment. For Entry we mean entry into the pro market.

[@HJN67]

Ah. I can except that. Think I got confused by the big "full frame" text on the screen. 😊 Excellent review as always.

[@garypranzo9334]

I love my GH5 MArk2 so someone talk me out of upgrading. Seriously what is the downside for me? IBIS, 60fps crop? Price of lenses. I currently mostly use the 12-35 2.8 Lumix lens

[@TheSlantedLens]

It is a nice upgrade. Good luck deciding!

[@spaceghostcqc2137]

I wonder how long before Rolling Shutter improves in these midrange hybrid cameras.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Everyone wants to solve that problem but it is pretty hard.

[@AoyagiAichou]

In that ISO test there was some fairly obvious NR applied to the S5II images. Maybe something Silkypix does without asking.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We have looked at this in SilkyPix and if it does that without asking then that negates the ability to do what you want with your images. We will be doing a follow-up so look for that.

[@AoyagiAichou]

@@TheSlantedLens Yeah, unfortunately SilkyPix applies NR by default ("colour distortion" and "smoothness"). I actually like the program, but things like this are a bit off-putting.

[@bensonchow8845]

crazy test ，thanks

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are welcome. Thanks for watching!

[@hazelbrook]

What about the battery?

[@TheSlantedLens]

I shot all day on one battery with the Panasonic.

[@hv8546]

very helpful, thx

[@ted5017]

From your comparison, it looks like the 33 Mp of the Sony compared to the 24 Mp of the Lumix are just a horse power number. It is simply amazing how good is the Lumix in stabilization, by far the best. Thanks for this nice review. Lumix is the clear winner.

[@Mcguppy]

Why didn’t you process both raw files with silkypix , would compare better I guess

[@TheSlantedLens]

Good question. Not sure you can do that. I actually did not like working with Silkypix as well as Adobe Raw.

[@nafyah_media]

I like the image quality better on the Panasonic but I sure wish that that it had the speed and responsive AF of the Sony. The video, stabilization, time lapse, and composite features of the Lumix are pretty amazing though. Both are great cameras and this was a great review. Much thanks!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Great points. Nice to hear your thoughts. Thanks for sharing!

[@BrasilOO7]

Very interesting autofocus testing with Kenneth crossing into the scene...👍

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you found it interesting. Thanks for watching!

[@lakile3]

i like your honest review of those cameras

[@TheSlantedLens]

Thank you! We appreciate that!

[@ThePoisonDrummer]

Reliable autofocus and Leica L Lens compatibility. Sold!!!

[@TheSlantedLens]

Yeah, two really great reasons!!

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

It is really odd to consider the A7VI and S5II "entry level". How much money do KZbin photographers think people typically have? Can we please stop pretending that 24 vs 33mp is a significant difference? That is 17% more, the difference between a 20 x 30" print and a 23.5 x 35" print. Please tell me which client or "entry level" photographer will ever notice the difference? You mock the 20mp to 24mp change, which is 10%, but think 17% is something to celebrate?

[@TheSlantedLens]

For full frame cameras they are the most affordable. That is what the point was.

[@omegaidol]

Sony sharper? look at the well defined lines of window frames or "brick" lines on the wall at 6:35

[@marceln2]

Amazing review. Thanks. S5 ii is a great camera but at the moment its price is not much lower than Sony a7 iv. In some regions Sony is even cheaper. Sony is getting cheaper or gets on sale now and then as it's an older model now and Panasonic is priced as a new model. The Panasonic price advantage is therefore not so strong and Sony has more and cheaper lenses to offer. In the end we might end up paying more for Panasonic system (including lenses). Additionally there is many second hand Sony lenses. You can even get Sony a7 iv body second hand if you wish to, because it's a 2021 model. If Panasonic is a more expensive system (including lenses) than Sony, it must be better to justify the extra price. Is it? Or is it better to go for A7 iv which is around the same price and will allow you to save money on lenses. Additionally, it is possible that Sony will release a good update to a7iv too in the future. Then it will be good to own Sony E mount lenses. Another point: Sony has done already in 2021 what Panasonic has released now. So when Sony releases new hot camera, we will be stuck with Panasonic lenses waiting for a new model while Panasonic will maybe be focused on developing a new MFT camera. Big point: Sony offers various bodies (stills centric, video centric, hybrid) you can buy 2 bodies second hand and you can use the lenses with the body you need based on the situation. Going to shoot a landscape? Buy an a7r body. Going to shoot a video, take a7s... Panasonic only has video a centric hybrid with 24mpix. That said. I still wish for Panasonic S5 ii but I'm not sure it's a logical decision considering the availability of (second hand) lenses and various bodies in Sony system. I don't own neither Sony nor Panasonic at the moment.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Lots of things to think about. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

[@dannyjonze]

Surprised that the magenta colour cast was from the s511. Was expecting that to come from the sony

[@TheSlantedLens]

We were too. It is interesting how every situation is a little different. The Panasonic has more vivid color overall.

[@adamhlavin2463]

Really tough decision, both are great, but one thing decided it for me...I DEFINITELY don't want to run around a wedding with a 24-70 2.8 zoom lens that weighs over 900 grams while the Sony is significantly lighter (and cheaper). Winner.

[@janwedek]

Understandable but to be fair also significantly more expensive than an S5 plus native Sigma 24-70 (around $1500 difference for lens plus body)

[@slows728]

I tried the 24-70mm GM 2 and I have the 24-70mm S Pro, I prefer the S pro for it's rendering.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Lens choice is always in important factor when you are purchasing a system.

[@andersistbesser]

Well buy a sigma then, s5 has more than enough lense options

[@kbarrett1844]

We're spoiled for choices these days. IMO, the S5 II is the better video camera, but the A7IV is the better hybrid camera. The ecosystem for SONY is arguably more robust, while the Panasonic is probably robust enough for most people. (I'm a Current CANON/SONY shooter - Former LUMIX owner)

[@TheSlantedLens]

Sounds like you have some good experience with all of these. You will have to check out the S5 II. It is pretty nice!

[@kbarrett1844]

@@TheSlantedLens - No doubt. It is good to see Panny back in the game.

[@KhusbooKhatoon-pj3cy]

Thanks u...😊

[@TheSlantedLens]

You are very welcome 😊. Thanks for watching!

[@churchill378]

There’s no recording limit on Sony A7IV. I know I have one as well else an original S5. Also if your going to do a comparison you at least do a more thorough. Job. Where is photo autofocus test or mention or lens options which is the most important thing when buying a camera is glass options.

[@TheSlantedLens]

We stand corrected. We do have a photo autofocus test in the S5 II review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYrahoywaN9lkLs

[@walrusgumboot]

*No recording limit other than when it overheats

[@churchill378]

@@walrusgumboot it doesn’t overheat I have the camera and I have never had the warning once.

[@fransenfiets]

I have an 8 year old a7R II, and for photos, she’s basically ageless. Love it… that said, I don’t neeeeeeed to upgrade lol

[@geoffreybassett6741]

That sensor is still incredible.

[@TheSlantedLens]

Glad you are happy with your system. Thanks for watching!