2021 Kia Telluride Nightfall Edition: Best Luxury Bargain? - TwoTakes

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On paper, the 2021 Kia Telluride Nightfall Edition is the most luxury bang you can get for the buck. It comes with loads of features and creature comforts, technology, 3 rows of seats, a crazy soft headliner, and even AWD. All of that for about $50,000. But a car is more than a spec sheet, right? How does it look, feel, and work in the real world? Is the 3rd row usable for full-sized humans? Watch and find out.
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[@friedensgabel]

I'm not an SUV guy by any means, but I really really like how the Telluride looks

[@stevenwilliams1805]

Yeah, that blacked out one looks pretty sweet.

[@2011blueman]

They nailed the exterior styling. The interior with the captain's chairs looks like mini-vans of the 1990s with updated dash.

[@zpzp96]

Same. Murdered out from the factory with orange LED DRLs looks crazy good

[@guitarwi3rdo]

Agreed. It's like everything the ford explorer wanted to be, but better

[@Neojhun]

This is not really for people who want a "SUV" soft-roader. This and the CX9 is more about 3 Rows of seats having to carry lots of passengers. If you have that need it's an important category of vehicle.

[@SamBass]

One day, Matt is going to let somebody finish what they're saying

[@Cavscout101]

The type of personality to start their own KZbin channel.... strange.

[@deborahdiperna2451]

Not going to ever happen.

[@UrW0rstNighmare]

Right, Zach looks frustrated when with Matt this isn't the only video I feel that way

[@evanneiswanger]

Matt should never do a video that he doesn’t drive/talk first

[@BB-ug1ch]

he reminds me of Shrek, but rude

[@sabretechv2]

Just a couple of soccer dads out on the town

[@dancearoundtheworld5360]

I cant unsee the ford explorer but isnt as bad as it looks

[@nx_Exe]

I'm a porter at a kia dealership, the only car we can constantly sell is high trim spec'd tellys. They're pretty nice for a kia for sure.

[@simonrichards5430]

“How often are we in here just touching our wood?” ... WOW!!

[@zackklapman3569]

Glad someone caught it!

[@dancearoundtheworld5360]

I use to touch my wood in there but now i forget too.

[@Supermoto295]

I’ve got a 2020 FWD EX; purchased April 2019, currently at 30500 miles. Holding up extremely well, and I have 4 kids climbing in and out. Ours was $38k new. Radar cruise highway drive is fantastic. Extremely happy with it.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

why did you get a fwd EX instead of a Sedona or Odyssey? I'm curious

[@Supermoto295]

@@ShaiyanHossain Simply put, my wife refused to drive a minivan. As a car guy, I’m fine with that. The Telluride is extremely stylish for what it is.

[@ajtam05]

Man...you could prob sell it for over 40K right now. Lol...the demand is sky high & resale prices are high because of it.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

@@Supermoto295 sounds like your wife has ego problems. A minivan is far superior to hauling than a fwd crossover. Shoulda waited for the new Carnival.

[@bk_nreynolds3278]

When I saw one of these in Columbus, I had the hardest time trying to convince my mom that this wasn’t a Range Rover. Very upmarket look, they’ve been knocking it out of the park lately

[@smooth_ops2942]

Seems to be exactly what they were trying to achieve.

[@bk_nreynolds3278]

@@smooth_ops2942 absolutely!

[@smooth_ops2942]

Zach is loving the Telluride....while Matt is karen"ing" it all up.... Matt, give the vehicle praise for what it is (Great Vehicle from Kia) instead of knit picking at every opportunity.

[@logicreversed18t]

This video answers the question, "What happens when two guys with no kids review a family 3 row SUV." They say things like, "Why does a baby need so much room," or "This is good for road tripping and stuff."

[@JStuartofficial]

I have a Telluride S. Got it for $37k. So amazing I’m about to buy another one.

[@jayfxdx]

A friend of mine purchased a Telluride last year and loves it! His is a full load that was way better value for dollar against the domestic competitors.

[@deviouslaw]

What do you consider the domestic competitor?

[@jayfxdx]

@@deviouslaw Explorer, durango, etc. 3 row V6 SUVs.

[@deviouslaw]

@@jayfxdx one thing, both of those are RWD platforms. So you're in the ballpark but still a little bit apples/oranges. Plus, for the explorer you'd really have to compare this engine to the 2.3 ecoboost to keep it fair, not the v6 which is turbocharged and significantly more engine than the 3.8NA Kia. The domestic I'd probably compare this most directly to is the Acadia/Traverse/Enclave. but I don't see that comparison made often.

[@jayfxdx]

@@deviouslaw Those are valid points, personally I've never shopped this category. I'm up in rural western Canada, hardcore pickup/full size SUV country! The Telluride was bought for his wife as her daily, no towing required/v8. They farm and he's got a full load Duramax. I know he didn't want a RWD/transfer case SUV due to driving conditions encountered/safety.

[@deviouslaw]

@@jayfxdx yeah, this is just kind of an unusual SUV in that people cross shop it against all sorts of different things, that's why I was curious.

[@chris_xt7917]

I bought a 2021 Telluride Nightshade (night sky in Canada). Compared to others at this price point, it’s a clear winner. Compared it to X5, Q7, Landrover Discovery, GLE, it’s crazy how close it is. This thing is loaded. About the only high-end feature missing is a massage chair option. Hey Matt, a slightly better seat is not worth 30k.

[@hugdeath929]

Amen 🙏

[@Casey_J96]

I saw a dark green one the other day and it looked really slick. I’m not really an SUV guy but these seem pretty nice.

[@andrewsilver9730]

Im honestly just a dark green guy im glad more cars are coming in it

[@atticusrussell1225]

Yeah these look real nice

[@Xlt3763]

we just got one in October and drove from Illinois to Houston and back. It was a perfect road trip SUV. The adaptive cruise with lane keep rivals Tesla's, comfortable, tons of storage and decent gas mileage (averaged 26mpg)

[@zackklapman3569]

The lane keep assist is really, really, really good.

[@al151]

Very small fuel tank.

[@Xlt3763]

@@al151 i have no issues with the range...then again I had a corn-tuned 2018 Mustang GT with a 13 gallon tank and I was getting about 12 MPG.

[@epickidd949]

Something to note is that tellurides at pretty much every Kia dealership across the country are sold out! I searched for one within 100 miles, and only found one that was a base. Obviously the demand is there for these cars which I think is really good for Kia

[@edkwon]

Nice review, I own a 2020 Telluride EX-P AWD and it's a fantastic family road trip car, equipped with the right tires, can even do some modest off roading. But it drives super well like a larger car but feels much more agile and nimble than an SUV it's size should

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

This video made me realize I’m more attracted to the person making the video instead of the car itself. I come here to listen to you guys even though I HATE SUVs. Other channels make videos on SUVs and I don’t ever watch them

[@iBJanky]

I can’t wait to buy a pre-owned one in 3 years, when the leases get turned in. Then I can get one around 40% off MSRP, and pay for it in cash 😎👍🏼

[@996rick]

Miss out on the huge warranty, but with the money saved that's probably still a good move.

[@usaclaimsthemoon4198]

Demand for crossovers are through the roof. A bmw 3 series you can find for 40% off MSRP in 3 years, but telluride is the hottest crossover on the market...in 3 years and 45k miles, this will probably only lose 20% off the MSRP. That makes a harder proposition. Though if it does reach 40% like other kias, count me in too!

[@iBJanky]

@@996rick The $20k I’ll save will more than make up for the warranty.

[@iBJanky]

@@usaclaimsthemoon4198 It’s a Kia. It’s not exempt from depreciation. Once supply catches up with demand, its value will drop like a rock, just like most other cars.

[@usaclaimsthemoon4198]

@@iBJanky do most 3 row crossovers depreciate 40% in 3 years?

[@baddriversofcolga]

Honda's competitor would be the Pilot, not the CRV. I'd like to see you guys test out the new Explorer since it's RWD again.

[@CollisionofSoul]

Ford Explorer According to SavageGeese: "Who is Responsible For This?" SavageGeese is legit

[@baddriversofcolga]

@@CollisionofSoul Yeah, I've seen it, but I'd still be interested in these two's takes on it.

[@TheV8Pumpkin]

These are not cheap! They hold value surprisingly well a used one is still going for 35k for a KIA!

[@walperstyle]

They could be cheap if people would get rid of the EPA.

[@Ezero8]

Our Kia dealer couldn't keep these in stock. Most dealers had $5k marks-ups.

[@walperstyle]

@@Ezero8 Roof Koreans be using them as mobile weapons platforms to secure K-Town these days.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

@@walperstyle Roof top Koreans. 😁

[@anotheran]

This quote sums it best on how it drives: “feels like a heavy boat in the water”

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Pretty much all SUVs under $50k. But he was only talking about it over undulations. Cornering is good for SUV.

[@deancarr4507]

As an American that absolutely despises Americans' love of SUV's, trucks, crossovers, etc and craves European coupes, sedans and wagons, I think this is actually a handsome SUV to look at.

[@TheSalPic]

And go Gators

[@atticusrussell1225]

Yeah it's actually good looking

[@mattdock7346]

I work for an ad agency that does like 70% dealership marketing. These things have been hard to get in the PNW since they came out (several employees use our database to hunt for the best prices). They just couldn't seem to make them fast enough for our region. Peep that clean G20 at the driver swap...

[@SmashGhost]

"That's the Telluride. It's OK." Should be in the official marketing.

[@zauchsta]

My wife really wanted a Telluride or Palisade. Problem was all the dealers in SoCal were asking $5000 -10,000 over sticker. Insane prices on leases. She ended up settling for a CX-9 for well under sticker. She really preferred the Hyundai siblings but couldn’t justify the huge difference in the actual price.

[@VaunShiz]

My neighbors only have one kid and they bought a expedition, the suv sickness is real for people lol

[@usaclaimsthemoon4198]

As a Miata owner, I was convinced my wife’s Mazda 3 was enough for our upcoming newborn...then I entered the world of rear facing car seats and suddenly anything short of a full size car or larger mid-size crossover is not an option if you want any type of leg room for the seat in front of the rear facing car seat. Additionally, bending over for car seats, strollers, etc vs easily accessing in a crossover. Going to trade the Mazda 3 for the telluride or bronco, so I got the sickness you are referring to lololol

[@atticusrussell1225]

@@usaclaimsthemoon4198 oh no. Any other options that aren't a SUV?

[@ImStuckInStockton]

Two Takes for life

[@rgithmark1]

I have this SUV and I have to say these guys are spot on. Loving this vehicle!

[@adamadam6351]

The editing is really great in this one. Also I love you Matt but please let Zack finish his thoughts haha 😅

[@septopus3516]

I’m considering my first suv and this is on the short list.

[@1227Masher]

I highly recommend it. We purchased an SX Prestige Telluride last fall. Our first KIA and after owning multiple Honda’s, Mazda, Cadillac, Nissan and Chevy - the Telluride is the hands down nicest new car we have ever owned. I was hesitant about spending. $50K on a KIA - but I would do it again in a heart beat.

[@Turshin]

This is nice but Also check out the new 3 row Grand Cherokee.

[@edkwon]

If you need a comfortable, decently powered roomy 3 row SUV with nearly all the bells & whistles standard, you can't go wrong and there's a reason supply cannot keep up with demand these days, it's a hot seller

[@1227Masher]

@@Turshin agreed - the new Jeep Grand Cherokee L is nice - but again - the third row is much tighter - and only has two seats like the Explorer. I suspect that an equally equipped Jeep GC L will easily be $10K more than a fully loaded Telluride. Given the pricing and focus on AWD - they focusing on different buyers.

[@edkwon]

FCA-Jeep products could stand to have a better reliability as well

[@TheLadiesman0815]

The story of Matt’s friend who just had their first child is literally the epitome of America lol.

[@Tan997]

give em credit.. they could've bought an optioned out suburban for 80k lol

[@TheLadiesman0815]

@@Tan997 touché lol

[@996rick]

We fit that description and only shopped 3rd row SUVs. The reason isn't that we want 7 seats, it's that we want a two-row SUV with a lot of cargo space. And most 2 row SUVs have roofs that slope down and ruin the cargo area. So rocking a 3 row as a 2 row is how to get a ton of stuff in a car for 3-4 people.

[@TheLadiesman0815]

@@996rick oh trust me I understand the logic. Me and my GF have a two-year old and she currently has a ‘16 CX-5 but eventually wants a CX-9. And we don’t plan on having another anytime soon. So it makes sense.

[@Smokey_A]

You think one baby doesn't take up all that space until you go on a trip and have to haul the stroller, the pack and play, the diaper bag, the high chair, the toys....etc. Then there's the relatives that you see when you get there and all want to pile in and go somewhere. Space needs escalate quickly. We bought a 3 row SUV with one older daughter who was a travel ball softball catcher. That's enough gear that going cross country for tournaments we ended up with a roof carrier as well. Just for three of us on a week and a half trip. Because then you get into the coolers, the tents, the chairs, the catcher gear, the clothes for the cold mornings and hot days, etc.

[@TheSalPic]

"then there's the relatives..." EXACTLY!!!

[@Kittievr]

I’m sold on it

[@JStuartofficial]

Buy one. Its amazing for the price.

[@pepehands8224]

I think I'm sold too lol

[@JaxT83]

It’s crazy how much cargo space it takes to travel with one child. Our third is on the way, not a Kia person at all but drove one of these and the practicality / space / looks are clear winner for us over Highlander or CX9.

[@atticusrussell1225]

Why not a minivan (odyssey or toyota sienna)

[@robvettoretto4547]

A few features not mentioned with the Sx package... self leveling rear suspension for trailer towing...the rear signal lights are in the tail lights, lower models have separate signal lights lower in the bumper. I've had mine for a month... loving it!!

[@makatron]

Telluride exterior with Palisade interior

Telluride is like a luxury limo with suv capabilities! I put the luxury KLexus badge overlays on mine as soon as I got it! They add prestige to an already luxurious suv .

[@ANDRE_675]

Call me crazy but the rear of the Telluride looks just like a Cullinan especially in white exterior color.

[@eyezblazing3798]

Yea you're definitely crazy lol

[@ANDRE_675]

@@eyezblazing3798 Glad I’m not the only one considering 12 other people liked my comment. 😂🤷‍♂️

[@eyezblazing3798]

@@ANDRE_675 they're crazy too lol 😄

[@nicholassmith7048]

Don't insult the Telluride like that!

[@ANDRE_675]

@@nicholassmith7048 LOL

[@sbklvr]

Loving this, just not at 49k. Wish it had the Stinger GT motor.

[@1227Masher]

For the money and features what competitor offers the amenities and space and refinement for less money?

[@dragospahontu]

Kia is the new *P.I.M.P* car

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Yea my bitches been pestering me to get one.

[@Raven_A5]

I absolutely love the suv even tho I have no interest in owning one. It looks so sharp while driving and just stands out different

[@the_blue_truck]

Matt kind of shits on “some” cars. It’s like he can’t help it. 🤣🤷‍♀️

[@rileyhaynes4669]

Looking forward to hearing how the CX-9 did on your ski trip, and main points of comparison to the Telluride

[@aaronwilson5978]

This is the best SUV of the year

[@M16xblowDRO]

Congrats on 1m subs Matt and Zach!!

[@zackklapman3569]

Thanks!

[@raver208]

I very much like the Palisade and the Telluride. For the $$ it definitely gives consumers shopping the segment a great SUV to consider....masculine sytraight angle design, copious space, and not the typical dull egg-shape of most crossovers. Plus a 10-year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty and 5-year/60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper. Matt's point on scrutiny with German SUV's long term tactile quality and finish is valid, because a Kia/Hyundai owner is probably more likely to buy their vehicle and hold it for 10+ years than your typical leasing "hey look at me, neighbor" Audi/MBenz/BMW customer.

[@2011blueman]

They nailed the exterior styling. The interior looks like an updated version of the minivans everyone had in the 1990s. It's basically a minivan that dads won't feel bad driving.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

with worse space and ergonomics its a minivan for dads with ego issues

[@chicanoman2999]

My lord, I need this for travels, so nice

[@mickvk]

At 7:00 when Matt said how great heavily sculpted seats are in high end cars, I gotta disagree - it depends on if that's what you want. I have a Cayenne - a taller standing SUV and those steal constructed bolsters are literally a pain in the ass every time I try to get in or out of the car. Even when driving they're far too restrictive. If it was a 911 it would be a different story. I think Zak got it right about suspension saying, "thank goodness it's soft, it's a luxurious SUV." Same should go for the seats.

[@ducbox572]

Unfortunately, Kia dealers are marking up the Sell-U-Ride $10k or more thanks to their popularity.

[@bwest6275]

Thumbs up to Kia for stepping up the design and quality of their vehicles. Yes, their designs are highly influenced of other luxury brands, but at least they are copying nice designs. But despite this being a great value, I am more concerned over reliability. I know they have a great warranty, but the inside joke of having a vehicle in for warranty service for most of its life isn't appealing either. I hope these new S.Korean offerings live up to their nice deigns with equally excellent reliability.

[@JTube571]

My 2017 Elantra Sport has been to the dealership for warranty work twice in 4 years. Both times for the same issue, a cooling fan motor that still worked fine but was squeaky when you turned the car off. No other issues in 77k miles. Kia/Hyundai should be about the same as they share many parts.

[@schpood]

This car is NOT a bargain because every KIA dealership in America is adding at least $5k dealer markup on these. I was quoted $43,000 on a model that retails for $37,000. Sure, it's a great looking car, but I'm not paying a penny over asking price for a KIA.

[@maynarddrivesfast804]

Word. I went to one of our local Kia dealerships and they were sold out of new Tellurides, but they had a slightly used fully loaded model for $50k! I literally laughed at the salesman, then left. That Kia sold later that week. Insane.

[@schpood]

@@maynarddrivesfast804 I quietly judge every person I see driving a Telluride, because I know they paid markups. Meanwhile, I got $7k off MSRP for my wife's VW Atlas R-Line.

[@adam964]

Not every dealership, I think people need to cast a wider net outside of big cities. Just picked mine up with the same spec here a hair under MSRP with a small incentive. There were two I was considering, both dealerships not marking up.

[@maynarddrivesfast804]

@@schpood That's hilarious. I too am shopping for an suv for my wife/kids and am cross shopping the Atlas. What I want is captains chairs. The options for captains chairs as the 2nd row in a midsized suv are pretty slim.

[@schpood]

@@maynarddrivesfast804 I have the captain's chairs. It's so room in the back. My wife loves it. I'm so-so... the transmission is a mess but otherwise it's a pretty good car. Very, very roomy w/ the third row folded.

[@aymanlockhartable]

Imagine if they made a Telluride Sport with Stinger 3.3 engine, lowered- sport suspension, dual exhaust, sport seats, lighter rims! Be a reliable Range Rover Sport!!! 🔥

[@atticusrussell1225]

Yeah. Or just a fucking wagon lol. Everyone is convinced they need a sporty "crossover" and the companies are just whack

[@BenjaminSandness]

Interesting comparing the Telluride and CX9, but what about the “””heavy hitters””” in the 3-row unibody import SUV segment: Highlander and Pilot? I know, unsexy and platforms due for a refresh-and not really the area for TST, but a $50k loaded Toyota or Honda both have high output 3.5L and they have proven durability track record. Zach mentions the CR-V (As a pilot owner, I understand how forgettable it is visually😆) and they nod at the highlander in passing. I think their impressions of the Mazda and Kia would probably change if they had more seat tine with these two. Or they would fall asleep with boredom of how close they all are in spec. I’m almost falling asleep typing this.

[@kylegordon9523]

I would stay away from the Honda Pilot. They give more problems than people assume just because its a Honda. Honda’s paired with a V6 are plagued with a levy of transmission problems, and engine burns oil

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

@@kylegordon9523 Yea people automatically assume all Honda’s are reliable. The new Kia/Hyundai’s are getting higher marks for initial reliability than the Japanese brands.

[@murdoch9106]

Love this thing, but its only for the American market. Not sold here as far as I know (Europe). KIA is huge here and the brand that hold its value the best because even second hand people will buy them because they have proven to be reliable and they are pretty safe as well and like most cars today well equipped. And as you noted, you get most things off the bat, dont need to go through a huge list of extra's. Feel like everyone I know drive a KIA... know a couple that just went from a diesel wagon with the DCT to a hybrid of the same car, never had an issue with them in 3 years and roughly 60.000 - 70.000 miles.

[@richardmahoney9415]

I never thought I’d ever say I’d buy a Kia but I’d lease this I wouldn’t jump to own it yet

[@richardmahoney9415]

Never mind it’s more then a CX-9 lol I’ll take the CX-9

[@josephrener1]

Great video, informative and entertaining.

[@gabea.458]

I guided my wife, but in the end I let her decide because she never owned a new car in her life and I wanted her to get what she wanted. She narrowed it down to the SX prestige Telluride and the Atlas SEL-P 4 motion R-line. We went with the Atlas. I might have gone Telluride but here's what we didn't like, hopefully it helps someone. In the top trim (SX) you can't option it with the second row bench like you can in lower trims. They force the captains chairs on you. They claim 7 person seating but no adults are going to fit good 3 wide in that 3rd row. If you have kids in car seats the Atlas has a superior 2nd row seat design that allows you to access the 3rd row without having to remove them. It not only tilts the backrest and sides, but it pivots on the front mounting point. Lastly, last year the dealers were trying to get a minimum of a $5k premium over sticker LOL. For a Kia. There are some other differences too that are personal preference.

[@keerthikumar2023]

What color is this exterior? Black or gravity grey?

[@kristians2704]

I've said it before and I will say it again. Hyundai and Kia deserve more sales than the always outdated and boring Toyota and Honda

[@bwest6275]

Deserve is a bit strong. They need to "earn" those sales. This was a simple test review. But it'll take years of long term testing to reveal how good the S.Koreans are getting. Once they get to a point that their cars are just as rock solid reliable as how good they look, those sales will be earned.

[@kristians2704]

@@bwest6275 well I say “deserve” because there are many people that ONLY consider Toyota and Honda

[@garyb5889]

Interior wood trim...it's the theme boys..Telluride! Colorado Rocky Mountains...outdoorsy. Get it?

[@MatrixDiscovery]

LOL....these people heads are in the cloud. They talk like $50,000 is for poor folks! WTF!!! $50,000 is hell alot of money.

[@dericanslum1696]

...time to raise your expectations and tax bracket...

[@dmagin777]

Exactly... new vehicles are just another trap to keep you tied down and feeling like you're living a higher standard of life than you really are...

[@jagpilotohio]

LOL! Yep. The median family income in the US is only $80,000 and $40,000 is the average price for a new car. Half of a families yearly pay. In 1970 it was $10,000 and $3500. From a percentage basis it’s not surprising so many people are struggling now. We are getting poorer in relation to the things we covet.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

this is a fully loaded trim, you don;t NEED a $50k telluride you can get one nicely for about $44k also these guys spend more time in porsches than they do in mommy wagons like these so thats they're perspective

[@dmagin777]

@@marc8223 who wants to be "greener" ?

[@TheGTIF1]

Would love to see your thoughts on the new Jeep grand cherokee L

[@1227Masher]

One thing I have never understood about the CX-9 is the appeal as a three row crossover. The third space is tight, has the lowest cargo capacity when the third row is up and there are no A/C vents in the third row. It is fine as a large two row - but terrible if you need to put real humans in the third row.

[@detective3728]

Hmm wonder if Matt is cooking something with his Wife, since they're testing Family cars.

[@LakeTahoeGem]

Please review the 2022 Kia Carnival MPV

[@integrafreak1]

This SUV makes me want to have kids

[@atticusrussell1225]

🤨❓

[@ajtam05]

This makes me want to have a wife, have kids & then divorce and take the car for myself. :D

[@geoffreycheeping3902]

Just an FYI the cx-9 makes 250 hp and 320 torque running premium gas.

[@msrr1303]

I think I’d rather buy a new MDX for $50k. It’s not as spacious but it’s well worth sacrificing.

[@OVER5TEER]

Matt, the kind of guy to criticize Zach for not doing a dangerous U-turn in a blind corner. SMH

[@dmagin777]

2021 KIA Commercial

[@TheSlow281]

Love the Telluride. My Boss just picked one up. Would love to see the Stinger GT powertrain in the Telluride. Would be able to compare it to a SRT8 Cherokee, Ford Explorer ST, and or Genesis Gv80

[@MichaelRoell]

You overlooked the Lincoln Aviator, at Reserve or lower trim, as a competitor. These compare pretty favorably to those. I was cross-shopping them last Jan. I ultimately picked the Aviator for 3 reasons; 400hp, RWD, and you could actually get one. With the stupid dealer markups that were happening last year on the Telluride/Palisade, the price was closer than you think.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

the aviator is going to drive better too

[@rfouR_4]

6:23 lemme drive the boat.

[@SamBass]

I'm liking the G20 more than the Telluride

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

Yeah, that G20 was sweet.

[@yuhengwang2185]

I would totally go for this than bmw x5 or Merc

[@ShaiyanHossain]

as good as the Telluride is, Id rather have a Carnival (or any other minivan) which is MUCH better for carrying families if you don't have ego issues

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

I have a BIG EGO.

[@markedwards7032]

Even the base model looks great, and with the same powertrain, it's a huge bargain. In a year or two, you'll be able to buy one of these used for under 20k. I would never consider buying an SUV but if I had to this one might be it.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Not really, even a year old telluride is getting 90% of the original MSRP.

[@d.supreme8592]

@@JohnLee-db9ztlol this comment didn’t age well

[@BJK1715]

wtf - Matt's audio is ALWAYS LOUD, and Zaks is looow, can't hear him!

[@bwest6275]

I think Zach just needs to speak up.

[@mattlloyd1848]

Clearly Matt or Zack don’t have kids. You need the most room in your car when the kids are under 2. A basic road trip requires high chair, playpen, stroller, probably specific food or feeding/pumping supplies, diapers, etc etc. Downsize to a regular two row once they’re 5+ because you don’t have to pack all the stuff around anymore. Only critique on a nice review

[@zackklapman3569]

We indeed do not have kids. In my head, if you have 1 kid, you need a larger trunk for the things you listed above, versus a 3rd a row, no? Correct me if I'm wrong. Just trying to learn about this mini humans I see around.

[@mattlloyd1848]

@@zackklapman3569 well yes. But ain’t nobody buying cars. Folded down 3rd row fits an awful lot of mini human supplies

[@zackklapman3569]

@@mattlloyd1848 I was thinking a family of 3 would only need a 2-row SUV, not a 3.

[@mattlloyd1848]

@@zackklapman3569 you’ll see when the time comes for you. A 3 row suv is probably overkill as the vehicle of choice for family of 3, I agree. But I also think the cargo space that a folded down 3rd row affords will be utilized quite a bit and in some cases will be cherished compared to what you’d get in a 2 row. Also, sometimes grandma and grandpa want to come, or maybe some friends, depending on the adventure. In those cases a 3rd row is nice to have. Necessary? No. But nice. The only people that NEED a 3 row suv are families of 5+ and that’s kind of rare. Much rarer than 3 row suv sales would indicate. The whole point of what I was getting at was that from 0-2years old the amount of crap you have to pack is insane. Certainly enough to put yourself in the market for a big suv. We pack far less now as a family of 4 with a 7 and 9 year old than we did as a family of 3 with a new baby. Anyway, I really enjoy the content. The two-takes are a great update and the podcast is fun. Crew shows are my favourite - you’re funny as hell and offer unique insight. Keep it up.

[@dragospahontu]

What's next? The Atlas?

[@adamb3129]

You guys got the hp and torque wrong for the Mazda. On premium it makes 250hp and 320tq.

[@pepehands8224]

The Telluride actually looks decent

[@octoman_games]

What happened? The other guy was sick of being in Matt's shadow so he gets screen time too lol

[@MarioDallaRiva]

Bravi, ragazzi 👍🏻👏🏻

[@pnash225]

Dealer wanted 15K over MSRP for one as of January. I decided that for that money, and without a need for a 3rd row, I went with a GLE.

[@dragospahontu]

The Atlas is a good option.

[@pnash225]

@@dragospahontu My sister got one and my budget allowed for nearly 80K but I was looking at anything from 40-80 and I ended up seeing the value of the GLE450

[@BrendanEvan]

When you want to be a stormtrooper but you’re really a Dad

[@alexwhiteman2628]

"But that seat" *eye roll* Jesus christ this watch connoisseur is so cringe sometimes.

[@walperstyle]

Clothing provided by Alex Roy.

[@jaa2772]

Kia dealears be marking-up the price up, yo!

[@hugdeath929]

I’m value minded so the Telluride and Palisade to a bit better extent really scream value to me. I haven’t seen anything else in this size segment that’s gives you more or even equal for the same or less 💴. I see creaky Benzes at just 4 years and ashy interior bmws around the same timeframe. Not sure owning one would give me any mote long term confidence than the Korean suvs. That Highlander is uninhabitable in the third row if you no longer carry a lunchbox. I’d like to see the manufacturers improve the fuel economy if they want to stay viable in this hybrid electric movement. I’d also like to see 50+ more hp & torque. When that thing’s loaded it doesn’t seem so spry. I also want them to make captain’s chairs optional on all trims or make the bench optional. As long as the top trim levels offer a 2nd row bench I’ll be happy 👍. Did he just say the Telluride competition includes the “Honda CRV”?????

[@kashmood]

I think they forgot about the VW Atlas as a competitor.

[@TheSalPic]

As do I most times. Along with the ascent.

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

VW reliability is crap unfortunately.

[@grig4866]

Isn't the Explorer similarly priced?

[@Robby94LS]

Your friend with the baby, what do they currently have (or had when they had the baby?) I also just had a first baby, and also want one of these, but mainly because as much as I love my Fiesta ST.... Tetrising shit into it to go places is getting very old. I just want to YEET everything into the back without thinking. If I bring the stroller, NOTHING else can go in the back and I have to pack the back seat. All the reviews I've seen though, including this one make it sound HORRIBLE to drive though. I'm not looking for like a Cayenne or anything, but I had a short lived Corolla that infuriated me... This just sounds like a bigger version of that, although it DOES look good!

[@shehandesilva7530]

Buy an Outback and call it a day? At least that's what we did. CVT is definitely the weak point but the current gen with the 2.4 turbo might be half entertaining (and they handle more like a car than any of these SUVs ever will). Hold value ridiculously well, great backseat room and nice long trunk for strollers. I'm pissed at Subaru for completely ignoring the enthusiast segment, but for family movers without getting too large (personally can't justify a 3 row/minivan with just one kid) it hits a sweet spot that unfortunately there isn't much competition for. P.s. keep the FiST for dad sanity breaks.

[@Robby94LS]

@@shehandesilva7530 That really is what I should do. I like the way Subarus drive, I just HATE their looks, and as someone who does their own maintenance, their engine.

[@verdo300]

Honda pilot black edition compare to this?

[@zackklapman3569]

Haven't driven it. I'll try to get one.

[@Lpass2020]

Just a heads Matt....You DO need all that room for one baby. You'll see how much shit you travel with once you have kids. Every trip is like moving out of the house

[@TheSalPic]

It's just so much easier to bring your own crib and other baby stiff to the destination. But you need the space!

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Not really, you can ship your kids via FedEx now.

[@edhughes8711]

Can this SUV make it to 200k miles like a Honda and Toyota or Ford Expedition on the F150 platform?

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

Time will tell, but you make it sound like every Honda, Toyota, and Ford make to 200k. I’ve seen Kia make it 300k without issues. And I’ve seen those brands fall apart right after 100k. Stop generalizing. Most cars, except European cars, fall apart due to poor maintenance.

[@Works2Shoot]

With all the ADM being levied on these things, I bought an Explorer ST (with 400hp) below sticker and called it a day.

[@TakuroSpirit77]

Who's been groping the suede headliner??

[@anotheran]

Handling in one word, "lumbering"