Menu Swapping EXPLAINED ft.

[@travislee4196]

Thank you for teaching me this bro i now use it all the time. I also love using multiples of the same weapon with different ashes because they dont see you swapping the weapon and it throws them off when you pull off a different ash with the "same" weapon. Plus all of them are in the same row if you use weapon type sorting, super easy to swap

[@variousbun3059]

Menu swapping is a NEW HIDDEN BROKEN OP PvP TECH

[@doruk7125]

@@TheRealShiruken no lol, weapon swapping is a skill

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@TheRealShiruken So you don't carry 5 weapons, a shield, and a catalyst swap bow??? I guess this is new for ER players.

[@Swissgar0]

I would never menu swap! I only use one weapon lol Shouldn't have to be said, but for gamers, menu swapping is inevitable as it is a showcase of their knowledge and familiarity with the game.

[@pay2playwin4free27]

Familiarity with the game? Smells like tryhard in here

[@Swissgar0]

@pay2play win4free I always make sure to induce amnesia with a blow to the head before every invasion in order to make the game more fair for new players 👍

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

I mean... Do you pick up guns in older COD or stick with your load out??? It's the same idea... Just like DOOM.

[@mindset1450]

Love it I'm gonna start organizing my menu and practice! The only people that have a problem with , most likely cant do it themselves!

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Either that or they can't master 1 weapon. lol

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

From Soft: "We will design Menu Swapping for our 6th souls game, Elden Ring. And maybe fix the glitches." New Players who don't understand: "It's an exploit!" From Soft: "Send them to Caelid at sl1!!!... Now, to begin the DLC."

[@sainttrovo1529]

That was a great video uncovering some of the obsecure things like lower recovery after crouch, or stepping after parry that lowers recovery for swapping too

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Fun Fact: In Elden Ring... Innate Dual Weapons and Double Handed Weapons (not Shields sadly) can cancel your recovery animations on every attack much faster than just walking. You can test this with any ultra great sword... R1 then L1... Compare that to... R1 then L3/Left Analog Stick.

[@sainttrovo1529]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 oh yeah i know about that, being using ornamental ss and noticed how faster compared to regular pw ss they are if you block cancel(sadly ornamental straight swords are pretty short even for straight swords).

[@destinyup1710]

Steelovsky you inspired me to organize my arsenal of weapons and taught me how to hardswap. Thank you!

[@Arclor]

Only reason I learned to do menu swapping is because I got tired of having to build extra endurance just for bigger weapons. Most every modern action rpg that has a weight-class system and has weapon swapping (2+ equippable slots) exempts weapons from the weight, or only takes into account your actively held weapon for your total weight. It's just Souls that doesn't. They really should. It's not really fair that a strength build NEEDS to build more endurance for comparable results to a dex build. The balancing should be in their movesets/damage output, not in the weight of the weapon limiting your stat distribution

[@DreamskyDance]

I dont know how to menu swap but i dont have anything against it. I dont get why people have a problem with it. Tried it a few times, more of a nessecity of situation ( like "i need this talisman on me right now or i am gonna die" ) than as a practiced skill... Btw..is the "claw grip" absolutely nessecary for learning good menu swapping ? It seems to me that re-learning to play with different grip is ten times more difficult than practicing swaping as fast as possible the way i play now...

[@Swissgar0]

I use claw and I never menu swap! It honestly just elevates unlocked play as you have complete control of your camera at all times, even while sprinting. Can lock on/off when appropriate, in summary it's good for advanced movement!

[@DreamskyDance]

@@Swissgar0 Any tips for practicing claw ? How exactly do you position your fingers, where ? Maybe if i start new playthrough forcing myself to play like that by the final boss i will be more acustomed to it and i can try pvp-ing with it :D

[@Swissgar0]

@DreamskyDance Sure! Position the side of your index finger on the circle button in the shape of a claw, and practice sprinting while using your thumb to look around. At first it may seem awkward, but you will acclimate to the feel! The addition of a jump button in Elden Ring elevates the effectiveness of claw, as now you will even be able to comfortably jump while sprinting, and maintain control of your camera!

[@DreamskyDance]

@@Swissgar0 Oh..so on the left hand instead of having my index on L1 i have it on that multi-directional circle button. Hmm, yeah i can see how it can be usefull..you dont have to move your hand from camera stick to use menu navigation buttons. Right hand stays the same or should i mirror the position of left one to use ( Y, B, X, A ) with index ? Edit: btw, i am not sure is my controlelr x-box one or ps one... it has both thumbsticks at lowest position on controller ( not the cross-circle big button swapped for a thumbstick ) but has Y, B, X, A buttons not symbols like ps one. I am on PC..so when going to buy a controller i choose between 20€ one 50€ one and 100 €.. took 50€ logitech one and thats it XD

[@Swissgar0]

@DreamskyDance It'll actually be your right hand! Instead of having your index on r1, use your middle finger for r1/r2s and rest your index on the circle (dodge) button! And it sounds like playstation if they are both on the lower position of the controller. I use Xbox, so on that controller it'd be the B button. I say circle as most people are on playstation lmao *Edit* You can use claw on left hand aswell (Jeenine plays with both hands claw) but I personally only go claw on my right!

[@ulyssesmarvin1709]

What hand position does he use if anybody knows. Like does he use claw with both hands or just one etc.

[@showlottathings]

The menu lockout system balances hard swapping pretty well. If the developers didn't intend this to be used, you would only be able to swap weapons at bonfires (like with spells).

[@plethinity245]

How do you set your weapons menu like that idk how 😭😭😭😭

[@War-Wizard]

Okay, challenge...how do you optimally set up KEYBOARD and MOUSE weapon swaps. w/a/s/d is movement, but arrow keys is menu navigation...No joke I am asking for what to bind etc...NOT going to go to controller. I have a multi button mouse, and actually want to get into menu swapping for fun. I loooooove this game. Troll responses totally welcome, ill just show you the finger. Aloha!

[@mellonthegrey1976]

Use e to open Equipment menu, hover over the weapon with the mouse, use e again to select, close menu with q. So full sequence: esc-e-mouse-e-q-attack If you know your inventory you can move your mouse to where the weapon will be as soon as you press esc

[@War-Wizard]

@@mellonthegrey1976 Yeah that's what I do atm, I keep my inventory with little to NO scroll, Though I know, muscle memory via how many "ups/downs" "rights/lefts" is just exponentially quicker. Possibly lifesaving quicker. This is coming from a combat vet.

[@gre2060]

kbm gamer here too,I fucking suck at swapping,anyone knows if it is possible to change the menu button from esc?

[@War-Wizard]

So, i configured my keyboard to uparrow with caplock and right arrow with shift. gona see if i can gain muscle memory. start for me is my mouse middle click, E is enter. So, i am testing, Middlemouse click/ e/ caplock xxxx/shift xxxx/ E followed by my final mouse click to close my menu. SO far, it's far more consistent than mouse hover/click, Though I still have that functionality, I can function "caploc""shift" to memory and NOT look. I'm open to suggestions. I key bind everything possible. lol

[@War-Wizard]

This is all the while sprinting (I have that keyd on my mouse)(and moving away or toward a target. W and S are still 100%, D, is flawless, A i have to fat finger.

[@RoAoG]

menu swapping is extremely viable and can give you an edge in pvp. imho its useful in PvE. being able to save yourself with a ring swap or quit out from a fall or a bad situation

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@TheRealShiruken You're 6 games outdated buddy... Then again... Why bother when the same people can't even master one weapon type?

[@pivonow]

It was kind of cheating in ds3 with moveset swap, why are they complaining now lol

[@Swissgar0]

_First souls game moment_

[@pivonow]

@@Swissgar0 also reminded me funny thing - ds3 was my 1st souls game and when i learned to pvp i begin swapping weapons just like pro youtubers, first 2 weeks i closed menus by pressing B instead of menu

[@Swissgar0]

@Pivonow I remember a week into Ds1 I figured that out. All that time spamming B to exit menus that I could've saved in the already monotonous process of using 30 individual humanity to give to Quelana... Good times!

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Glitches are one thing... This?... ... ... Fools. They lack motivation.

[@moritz5592]

Can someone pls explaine to me what this menu swapping is. Where are all the other weapons? Did he sell them all? Like where are they and how do u get ur menu so organized

[@gilf2035]

Sort chest at any site of grace

[@moritz5592]

Ahhh thanks

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Trust me... You do not want an inventory filled of all the weapons. It's a mess to swap with.

[@TheMightyPooh420]

The real problem we have with swapping is you don't pick any sort of build, you use multiple weapons and switch them for the benefits without the weight penalty and without making a choice and figuring out how to make it work. Most of us have to choose a couple weapons or be overweight I respect the skill it takes to swap like that but it's cheap and there should be a class for it This coming from someone who NEVER uses rob or the "meta" gear

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Your first mistake is thinking that this game has classes... You're 6 games outdated... But anyone who follows these games would know this much. Even From Soft knows it since Demon's Souls...

[@ltlsWhatltIs]

I know I'm a year late but people who hard swap are swapping weapons for their build....For example, a str/fth build will not be using INT or DEX weapons.

[@vitamin3076]

Curious how you hold the controller to hold B constantly while menu swapping, I'm using xbox 360 controller but feel like I to contort my fingers in odd positions to pull it off.

[@notmeta4048]

Why on Xbox does it seem longer to pull up the menu and exit out ? Please help in the comments I have the second newest Xbox

[@d1943i]

my favorite argument against swaps is that its not realistic or "breaks immersion", as if they were fully immersed in a hyper realistic world where you can pull a 7 foot tall sword or giant slab of stone out of your pocket

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

I always have to mention this... FROM SOFT KNOWS THIS!!!... We are 6 games old. lol

[@liquidreality472]

I think the "unrealistic" argument is more of a "balancing" argument at the heart of it

[@Rastaa1x]

Swaps are 🅿️ only people who cant do it Hate!!

[@kylebennett6169]

It baffles me that ppl ACTUALLY believe it to b a “glitch” and EZ… wow.. haha, I’ve been playing since DkS2 and menu swapping has always been a thing. It’s honestly one of the main skills that I believe everyone should at least b competent enough to walk around while swapping talisman/armor/weapons. Just funny how ppl complain about this 🤣

[@technologicalwaste7612]

2:00 I see people wave-dashing I cringe for the sake of poor analogue stick. My almost 15 year old PS3 controller would leave me if I abused it in this way.

[@imdefinitelynotjesus]

You know how I deal with people bitching about menu swaps? I just get multiple copies of the same weapon, then I swap them. At best you can only tell I’ve swapped due to my stance going from two handed too one. It doesn’t break the “immersion” and you look as if you’re a proper fighter with more then one ash. lol

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

When they can't even master one weapon type... ... ... Put their ambitions to rest, Margit.

[@Shwayco]

Swapping is def the highest skill ceiling in the souls series lol they get mad cause they can’t hang

[@Arclor]

Thing is, they totally can if they practice. They probably try it, aren't immediately good at it, and give up. I'm bad at these sorts of things but I spent 2 hours practicing and got good enough to swap in a dagger for parries

[@liquidreality472]

A lot of it is for sure a cope. That said, we're given 3 hand slots as well as weight limits, presumably for a reason. It can definitely take more skill to hard swap, but opposers to hard swapping could just as easily say it takes more skill to beat an opponent using a limited inventory. I don't think it's as black and white an issue as everyone seems to think it is.

[@ltlsWhatltIs]

Are these people complaining the same people that summon in phantoms to gank solo invaders? Lmao

[@MrSlaughterrific]

People who dont like menu swapping are low skill complainers tbh. I suck at menuing in these games but i still do it because having a diverse moveset is way more fun and interesting than l2 gaming

[@casulscrub5978]

Every time I try to hard swap I get punished hard :((( This video will carry me to victory

[@RequiemOfSolo]

"Menu swapping takes skill?" - kbm player.

[@Plz8662]

So is this a guide or just you and your friend in your echo chamber sipping copium?

[@PoisonJarl71501]

Imagine if you couldn’t carry 2,000lbs of gear in your inventory and could change your gear only if you are at a grace. You’d have to focus on the build you made instead of using the most meta setup for one type of player, then swapping to another some a different player. Why don’t they let caster change spells on the fly like this too? Maybe spells should cost stamina instead of fp AND stamina. We’d see more caster builds instead of stead pokers and bleeders. Pvp is just weird in this game.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Much of these mechanics date back in Demon's Souls. But remember this... Menu Swapping is intended. From Soft literally sat down to do this in 6 games already. It's one of the many core mechanics that they designed. Not a glitch that occured because of their coding.

[@sainttrovo1529]

The thing is that at the end of the game you would have enough memory slots to use every spell that you need, fp and stamina cost is here mostly because of the ranged attacks that can be easily spammed, now imagine if there is no fp cost for pewpew spells every dex/str build will be using greatbow against you, would be ridiculous huh?

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@sainttrovo1529 Funny thing is... In ER, I rarely see bows or crossbows. Unlike DS3 where great bow snipers exist. I use bows in ER Invasions. It's just funny to hit them with arrows because no one expects it. But I never invade... It's... Well... Invaders are shafted. But hay, at least as a Phantom, for me. Invaders have a chance to win against the host. Because the damage is too high, compared to DS3 at sl351+.

[@sainttrovo1529]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 well greatbows are underrated currently in elden ring mostly because good arrows can be obtained only by killing golems and its not a 100% chance. Another thing is that regular greatbow have for some reason very short range, balista or jar cannon seems like an overall better option. Ive seen mostly no one dueling with a normal bow or crossbow, ive used crossbow myself and its kinda meh, too much effort to land a bolt for so little damage and no stun makes it feel like you are asking for your opponent to jump attack you.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@sainttrovo1529 Hunter's Bow, Black Bow, Moon Crossbow, and Pulley Crossbow are my ranged PvP weapons. I don't use the great bows and ballista types since it's over the medium weight capacity for my sl351+ character. It's a situational weapon.

[@manbeerpigs16]

I don’t menu swap.. cause I’m not fast enough lol. It’s not cheating if you’re good at the game lol. These people just can’t admit they suck

[@edgybravo4287]

Menu swapping is advance tech been playing souls games for over a decade 3k hours total now in the series and I've never mastered it the way you do it. It's very advanced and not everyone will be able to do it properly.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

True... D Pad Swap and Menu Swap is the same to me. At sl300+ in DS3 and in ER... Or in this series... I generally roll with multiple weapon on my slots. I'm just amused that people complain on a mechanic that From Soft directly designed for 6 games by now. Especially if every patch about it is a clear sign for their intent with Menu Swapping.

[@HaraFPS]

I'M EARLY :DD

[@mak_x1785]

Facts

[@glatykoffi6672]

You are talking about instant answers to any situation and instant counter to any build, yet you make a fixation on the skill it takes.

[@doruk7125]

can you menu swap against a player while they are putting pressure on you?

[@glatykoffi6672]

@@doruk7125 Im pretty sure the dude already did it. What does this change about instant countering any build exactly ?

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@glatykoffi6672 You lack skill if you can't beat a weapon master or a master of weapons. If you treat these games like Classes, then you've set yourself up for failure... (Ignoring the current state PvP but the fact still remains.) ... Improve or be bested... The wrest is irrelevant.

[@glatykoffi6672]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Are you gonna deny that weapon classes have a dynamic ? Why do you swap then ? Why separate hardswapping from the rest of the game's pvp ?

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@glatykoffi6672 You don't understand the very nature of Menu Swapping. I'll put it this way. These games are always unpredictable, and you must adapt to it in any way you can. You might only use 1 sword. Another might use multiple weapons. Slots are irrelevant. It's nothing more than tabs for quick access. Or... To put it in another light... What's the difference between Menu Swapping and D Pad Swapping at sl351+??? If you cannot answer that, then your excuse is meritless. There is no difference in the end. The amount of players who stick with a few weapons and who Menu Swap isn't 50%. Most players don't Menu Swap because their singular/sets of weapons are good enough. For PvP... For PvE?... My point is made even more clear. To speak bluntly... This isn't a Class based game. And From Soft directly had a hand in designing it. Your point is meaningless. It's been 6 games already. Anyone who payed attention would know that From Soft intended Menu Swapping, despite the glitches. Why?... Because they never once made the effort to take it out for a reason. Just like they won't add in the traditional Easy, Normal, and Hard Modes. The context of Menu Swapping is very old and vast. If you think Elden Ring should be a load out game, then you have no idea what these games are. From developer to developer in RPGs/JRPGs. You've only seen the traditional iterations.

[@Affaan2002]

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