BIGGEST and BEST! 2024 Toyota Grand Highlander Review

2024 Toyota Grand Highlander review by The Straight Pipes. The Toyota Grand Highlander Limited is putting down 265 horsepower and 310 lb-ft of torque from a 2.4L Turbo 4 cylinder. At $57,945 CAD, would you take it over the Toyota Highlander, Lexus TX?
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[@TheStraightPipes]

Which Thumbnail did KZbin show you? Front angle, back angle or photoshopped??

[@theonlybuster]

Front Angle Similar to the white & red Highlanders in 0:57

[@tr3ywitdacarz680]

Back

[@pipita_jr3124]

Damn Yuri grew a mullet

[@Juhani94]

Photoshopped

[@andrewbryant4259]

Back

[@Smoked_Calamari]

I like how you guys are back reviewing normal people cars regularly. Keep it up please!

[@TheStraightPipes]

We are loving the lack of views on the normal cars 😂 jk but seriously plz watch them because we love doing normal cars

[@jradish]

​@@TheStraightPipesit's not you, the KZbin algorithm is just doing you dirty now. I'll click on any straightpipes video I see first but I haven't seen your guys videos in my recommendations in a month or more no cap

[@eriklw1322]

You're looking at 60 grand starting price after tax and financing at these current interest rates. That's almost $1000 a month. And that's if you can even get one due to Toyota making people wait years for any new car. What's more likely is what Yuri says where they end up selling a "used" one with 5000km on the dash for 20 grand over MSRP and you're looking at paying what was an average Canadian mortgage 5 years ago.

[@jordanbloomfield]

Everybody loves regular car reviews lol

[@BileakNickey]

The price of cars we considered normal are not normal any more

[@joedenver2077]

You’re so right about how no other journalists are talking about the brake feature. Thanks for keeping it real and not drinking the Hawaii trip kool-aid.

[@TheStraightPipes]

I’m just messing around. They honestly might not have had a chance to really notice it because trips are very hectic. All our fellow video car reviewers are great!

[@tatejackson4497]

If you press and hold the cruise control button on the wheel, it will go into constant speed hold, like a traditional cruise control. And will still have the Pre-Collision Assist enabled for safety.@@TheStraightPipes

[@kabbythedog9409]

Trust… it’s a good feature Especially if you let your wife drive it

[@LewPitcher]

​@@TheStraightPipes18:22

[@andrewfarrell6918]

That auto braking feature is called PDA (Proactive Driving Assist). You can turn that feature off without changing how the PCS works.

[@fatlessauto3]

THANK YOU

[@ultradaves]

The Toyota RAV4 is their volume leader, and the Grand Highlander styling is based on the RAV4. makes complete sense to use their volume leader as a blue print for a larger 3 row hauler. (not a Corolla Cross imo)

[@zarkasky]

Exactly right

[@nicholassmith7048]

Agree but therefore it should have been named the Grand RAV4.

[@ultradaves]

@@nicholassmith7048 maybe the GRAV4?

[@yukhzia]

@@ultradaves🥇

[@Scrunklo]

I love these guys car reviews they always look like they're having a ton of fun just reviewing cars.

[@-eyl3343]

I got my GH hybrid max a few weeks ago and put already 2700km on it. It’s very comfortable and no complain. 9.5L/100km for now what I have.

[@harriettubmanappreciater9091]

Hey guys, just for your awareness, the auto breaking your talking about is the new toyota PDA mode, for Toyota Safety Sense 3. You can turn it off separately from Pre collision, but it will be coming to all toyotas, it started with the 2023 Corolla.

[@yahya2700]

I wish they saw this! I actually loveeee this feature makes driving so much easier feels like one pedal driving only when needed lol

[@harriettubmanappreciater9091]

@@yahya2700 lol, all I'll say is that its a feature very annoying for responsibile drivers and very convenient for irresponsible drivers. I'll refrain from saying what category i am in.

[@yahya2700]

@@harriettubmanappreciater9091 I don’t agree with that tbh. I think of it as a one pedal drive mode like a Tesla but only when there’s actually traffic ahead of you otherwise it coasts. I drive a lot in cities with traffic and not having to constantly go from gas pedal to break back to gas is so niceee. I’m a responsible and very defensive driver and I don’t think it makes me worst just makes life easier.

[@alwaysiyi272]

Our family test drove a Grand Highlander and we really liked it, it was a lot bigger than our Pallisade, we also loved the heated and cooled seats in the rear as well. The one we had for the test drive was the Platinum Hybrid Max. It’s kinda weird to say but the power from that motor is kinda interesting, like coming from a Palisade, it felt like weird to have such a big car move so quickly 😂. Plus I also for comfortable in the back at 5’11. Someone recently complained about the panels vibrating but I think it’s cos Toyota switched to Aluminum on the doors, hood and trunk on the Grand Highlander compared to using steel on their other cars

[@MooreMoney]

Are you experiencing the breaking issue by any chance?

[@alwaysiyi272]

@@MooreMoney we don’t own it yet, our order is meant to get here next week, but on the test drive, I did notice the car would start breaking for you, it doesn’t really bother me but I can definitely see why some people won’t like it

[@MooreMoney]

@@alwaysiyi272 That makes sense, I dont get mine until 2024, but it seems like if it's a major bother, you can turn it off.

[@MrSelvin78]

Why Toyota only changed to aluminium not other manufactureres? Toyota focus only cost cutting from all redisgns starting from 2012 Camry...it is just becoming evident here in their big version grand highlander too now.that's all

[@thebeddoctor4273]

It looks way better. I'd love this front end on the smaller highlander

[@tnails2397]

Am I the only person who somehow didn't know this car existed?

[@snakeeyes9246]

I was also unaware of this vehicle's existence.

[@DM72513]

Yes

[@paulneil7321]

Just started selling in July 23

[@timlee8604]

I appreciate the honesty in this review.

[@02wlekim]

I love mine so far as a people hauler (4 kids + wife). Same trim and color minus the sunroof. The side mirrors do in fact auto fold when locked if you activate them. I plan to order the optional 20” satin black wheels with snow tires soon. Great review guys!

[@TobyCostaRica]

Couldn’t do the Sienna huh 😉😀

[@keithcrandall1369]

I totally get it. I am in the same boat….I know the minivan is even more practical than this, but I still would rather get something other than a minivan that still has tons of room but doesn’t cost a $100k like the Escalade/Denali/Ford stuff:)

[@boxoffisa]

Would you recommend it for family of three?

[@02wlekim]

Went in looking for a Sienna and was told it was a 6 month wait with deposit. In hindsight I believe this is better.@@TobyCostaRica

[@TobyCostaRica]

@@02wlekim how so? I like the Grand Highlander too but 20 extra CF behind the 2/3 rows, sliding doors, super long slide seats allowing for a car fridge I can reach from the driver seat. Low entry height, my 5 year old can stand straight up. My 3 year old can get in herself. I’ll be in a SUV again later (GX550 or LC) but for now the minivan is king for me.

[@davidalenick1246]

At least in the United States, Limiteds have power folding mirrors. There’s an auto button on the driver’s door so when you lock the doors the mirrors fold. Also you can zoom in on any corner of the surround view when in reverse so you can see what’s happening at each wheel regarding a curb or similar object. Just simply touch whatever corner you want to zoom in on. And as for the braking, it would help to make sure PDA is off and set the collision mitigation to late.

[@TheMILVSCR]

It's always crazy to hear about winter tires, especially since I live in socal where winter doesn't normally exist.

[@HenrySchecker]

you guys are my favorite car reviewers cause you actually review regular cars that people might seriously consider

[@TheStraightPipes]

Thanks for watching the regular cars

[@audioman205]

These family hauler reviews are much appreciated. I’ll be picking up my CX-90 PHEV this weekend!

[@user-bm7ml1hr9s]

Did you drive other vehicles before deciding cx 90 phev, such as GH or pilot? Dud you drive cx 90 turbo?

[@user-bm7ml1hr9s]

Did*

[@DM72513]

You're going to love it.

[@DM72513]

​@@user-bm7ml1hr9sNone of those go 30 miles of all electric range.

[@mbenton6]

​@user-bm7ml1hr9s those other other vehicles feels nothing like the CX90 you need to check out my car soon. Will allow you to see it. Cx90 is the best SUV right now under the X5

[@jessycliche8804]

That clap transition, perfect!!

[@Joe-nb3fs]

Thank you for covering things that you can't learn from the website: ride quality, cabin noise, weird safety features, vibrations.

[@Kunseeted]

Great job informing the consumers about the pre collision system being an iffy feature Im sure it will save lives!!! 🙏🏽

[@julianghizdareanu7182]

Our GH Max is a BEASTY when it comes to laying down the power. 400lb.ft. of torquey goodness gets you out of a pickle jar. Oh yeah, the braking feature and collision avoidance is a bit intrusive, but when you're being distracted by kids yelling in your ear I would say it helps.

[@mbenton6]

Another disguised minivan

[@MikeKayK]

@@mbenton6 Yep, which a great thing since minivans are the most comfortable, roomy, versatile, practical vehicles on the road, especially for larger families, but people aren't buying them because of their "uncool" stigma (as if a RAV4 is "cool"??) More SUV's should shift toward being disguised minivans if their manufacturers want to improve sales, because the people still want those minivan benefits.

[@mwa1770]

Regarding the braking feature in urban settings I think you're confusing the pre-collision system (PCS) with pro-active driving assist (PDA) which includes deceleration assist and can be deactivated without turning off the pre-collision system.

[@TheStraightPipes]

Awesome!

[@OneLeggedStormChaser]

Informative yet fun & entertaining- Subscribed

[@TheStraightPipes]

Thank you

[@kyleelliott512]

Even though I don’t care about this car, this was one of my favorite reviews. The jokes and honesty was too much fun

[@jonfrancisB]

The brake “feature” is the proactive driver assist “PDA”. Cool feature, but we instantly turned ours off.

[@funnyfarm299]

Yeah it's great in theory but I turn it off when renting Toyotas. Regular adaptive cruise control has improved massively though!

[@nicholassmith7048]

If it's a cool feature, why do you instantly turn it off?

[@DM72513]

Is it permanently defeatable? Is it a hard button to defeat this nonsense?

[@SinghalFamily03]

This is a very helpful and informative video. Coming back to the point that the adaptive cruise control doesn’t come to a full stop, can you do a review of the Platinum trip that advertises Active Traffic Jam assist. Would that feature help the car to come to a full stop if it sees a car in front?

[@matthewminnich4611]

Best new car review channel on the internets!

[@theglowcloud2215]

I sharted on the TuxMats in my Ford Super Duty F-350 dually and they're still working great! Thank you, TuxMats!

[@Yousaf_Iqbal]

Please do more normal car reviews. The viewers would appreciate it and it helps in the car buying process.

[@Clai88]

“Nice long hard shifter” is crazy!

[@paul1458]

Great review! I went to my Toyota dealer to put a deposit down and was told it could easily take 6 months to a year for them to allocate the model and trim I’m looking to purchase, Hybrid Limited AWD, which is a real bummer. From a manufacturing perspective I don’t understand why Toyota doesn’t build to order… I get demand is crazy high for these but why must potential buyers hope they will get matched to the vehicle versus it being a guarantee.

[@funnyfarm299]

Toyota has to keep the assembly lines moving, they can't stop while they wait for more hybrid batteries.

[@LoneWolfSparty]

Parts are still an issue for certain Toyota models unfortunately. The plant where this vehicle is assembled makes the Grand Highlander, the regular Highlander, the Sienna, and the Lexus TX; needless to say, they're buried in work trying to catch up.

[@criznitty]

@@funnyfarm299it was Toyotas plan to hybridize everything… you’d think with Siennas having a one year waitlist, they’d be sweating right now, but hey, a lithium mine was just discovered in Nevada coincidentally.

[@cyberathlete]

Build to order will be more expensive.

[@LoneWolfSparty]

@@cyberathlete Toyota doesn't do build to order unfortunately; it's all dependent on the dealerships allocation and the potential build a customer wants getting approved by the plant that makes the vehicle

[@NotKR-10z]

Had a family member win one of these, so sick!

[@stigmon62]

Very much enjoyed this video. I’m actually happy you guys didn’t go to hawaii because no other reviewer that I’ve seen mentioned some of those important negatives. They were too busy shillin like a villain. Real question: do you think there’s any possibility Toyota will do a slightly off road/adventure trim of this? Or will it push it too close to the sequoia? They already have almost the same ground clearance, and this thing is way more practical for passengers and cargo. Seems like the sequoia only wins for towing and power (albeit in a heavier vehicle).

[@am35378]

The braking feature is actually called "deceleration assist" and is separate from the pre-collision system. My understanding is that it can be turned off.

[@avi6819]

Matching tees and fresh cuts, look at these two!

[@therustybezel7130]

Buddy with the Date-Just ey! Solid 👌🏾

[@TheStraightPipes]

🙏

[@Dano-MX5]

I like the styling of this way more than the standard Highlander. Gone is the Bubble Guppy overstyled mish-mash look for a more coherent, traditional look, ala 4Runner. Kudos Toyota!

[@theepanrealtorvaratharajan7497]

Yay! TuxMat. I was looking at Mitsubishi's and they all had TuxMats - did they partner with them too?

[@tigerjeebs5048]

I have a tundra with the new infotainment, you can change the radio type/source from the steering wheel w/o changing out of apple carplay.

[@D_K93]

In a segment that also includes Palisades, Tellurides, Atlas, XC90's and Pilots how would you rank these cars? Where would you put the Grand Highlander? Would be cool to see you guys do a ranking system of cars you've reviewed or a tier list of some sort!

[@naveenthemachine]

I’d put the grand highlander towards the very bottom of the list

[@sawingalaska2095]

Mazda CX 90 on top

[@PWCDN]

Holy crap you guys are reaching 2M!

[@Oliver-nt8pw]

LOVE the clap transition :D

[@AyAy008]

8:43 No, with the hybrid, you get the *eCVT.*

[@Bmontepeque11]

Another comment highlighted this, but I love you for reviewing normal cars! Sure, anyone can review Sports Cars and Super Cars, but they are not everything in life, so when I'm looking for a daily, you're the only option 🥰❤️ Also, is the new Century SUV based on this Grand Highlander? 🤔

[@jonm3255]

Hey Toyota, the ratio of black plastic cladding to grandness of vehicle seems about right. This makes the Grand Highlander look more premium than the Corolla Cross or Rav4

[@carman0429]

For almost $60,000 for higher trims, way too much plastic

[@jonm3255]

No plastic would be great wouldn't it? I'm trying to figure out who wants the plastic. Or is it a manufactures cost savings? @@carman0429

[@NaNslx]

Hey Toyota, how about actually sending cars to North America.

[@obrienmorency7117]

One of the funnier reviews I’ve seen in a while

[@junaidmd]

I am amazed that you guys missed the fact that it looks like a giant Rav 4 from the back and the sides

[@DanvisionIngrassia]

( PDA ) Proactive Driving Assist is the feature that is coasting the vehicle when you approach other cars from behind. Watch a video on Toyota Safety Sense 3.0 and it will explain all the safety features on the Grand Highlander. It is adjustable and can be turned off without affecting ( PCS ) Pre Collision System.

[@SkyReaper]

Hood fluttering is a seriously annoying issue. Thank you for mentioning it

[@dil6969]

Sure, these are what sells, but I feel like 90% of people buying large SUVs for family duty would be better off with a minivan, but they don't want to be seen in a minivan. I've driven both with a bunch of passengers and cargo and every time the minivan absolutely slaughters SUVs for interior comfort and usable storage space. The only advantage you get is marginally more ground clearance, which most people never take advantage of.

[@alvinsimba734]

When people are concerned with what people think when they drive a minivan, this is where the problem lies and no wonder why everyone is always broke. In non western world no one gives a damn on what you drive

[@user-bm7ml1hr9s]

@TheStraightPipes did you drive hybrid max as well? Now that tiu have driven this, how do youu compare this with cx 90, is the soft drive better thsn cx 90 stiff ride?

[@whatsitlike6392]

Okay, your thumbnail is so right on.

[@richardnavratil9661]

Of all the people that frequently don't get invited on lot of these trips (savagegeese, your friends), I am surprised they didn't mention that, they usually hate that kind of a thing. I generally enjoy their videos and yours, each for a different reason. But of lot of the reviewers out there, these two channels do a good job of being real and realizing what people will use the vehicles for and what they care about.

[@Joe-nb3fs]

Funny how much savagegeese disliked the ride of this vehicle and the straight pipes barely mention it.

[@johnoakes34]

That's funny about the hood. My mother has a Venza (which by the way has power folding mirrors) and that hood vibrates too

[@Mycameron2323]

PDA Proactive Drive Assist, It is quite easy to turn off. Its not tied with collision assist nor ACC, so you can do ACC and LTA without it

[@MethCrystalz]

Front end reminds me of my old 2nd gen 2012 Highlander

[@NaNslx]

Nice, you guys already got the Grand Highlander Stretch limo

[@billystpaul8907]

It would be nice if they put a V6 in there for that kind of money...And, get use the brake feature. I have it on my work truck. It does the same thing when I am in rush hour traffic. It is the coming feature on a lot of car's...

[@cjhskyh6323]

Might be incorrect, but when I enable brake hold on my ‘21 highlander it comes to a complete stop but that is with cruise control not sure if that works the same with the Grand Highlander braking on its own without cruise on

[@italiano15662]

Hello great channel and awesome video !! I just bought a Grand Highlander and unfortunately noticed some vibration in the hood, the dealer told me that doesn’t seem normal but there is no current recall for that. They recommend to contact Toyota and raise this issue!! Do you know something more about this? Thank you!!

[@robervin9107]

🅰️ the enthusiasm jake. And awesome haircut bud. Love you both your doing spectacular. 4:55.

[@Suction_]

Toyota needs to address the shit tuning on the 2.4 turbo. There is plenty of hesitation and surging at low rpm medium load that they will not acknowledge. Running 91+ fixes everything. Does not run correctly on 87. Biggest problem is that the problem doesn't surface until the vehicle is out of it's learning period (3500 miles+)

[@simplelife2967]

Thanks for sharing. To me the turbo is a big no go.

[@Suction_]

@@simplelife2967 it's far more usable than the 3.5. You needed to rev that thing out to get any power from it. It's nice being able to go up a hill with a load and not have the thing screaming

[@marshalmcgee9515]

I had a loaner lexus RX350. It has that same feature where it slows down. When not in adaptive cruise control.

[@markcoopers1930]

Came for the review. Stayed for the thumbnail

[@RtotheJellyO]

I subscribed because you WEREN'T invited to Hawaii! The reflection joke was perfect. You'll get invited one of these days.

[@rileypart1]

2:51 front end reminds mind me of between 7th and 8th Gen Highlander.

[@georgecerda6727]

Yuri is so awesome. The Dodge Hornet comment killed me!

[@theonlybuster]

Test drive the Grand Highlander back in December. It was great all around BUT the brakes felt sub-par. Attempting a 0-40 "emergency" stop surprised me how long it took to actually stop. Great vehicle BUT it need bigger/better brakes.

[@painfreemovements]

You can turn it off in the setting. I have lexus rx with that feature and I turned it off in the vehicle safety settings. Much better without it

[@Jimbobby36]

I've been waiting for a GR86 since March 2022 in Southern Ontario. I feel your neighbor's pain Yuri.

[@amitgupta-rv1sh]

Love the z06 corvette T-shirt ..!!

[@somerandomfella]

Fresh cuts, matching shirts? Moist 💦

[@bastinelli443]

I just paid off our 21 Highlander XLE. Would you recommend this upgrade or just stay with my old model?

[@yohankbjohn5171]

Y’all too salty about not getting invited to Hawaii ! Hahah.. 😂 Loved the sarcastic evil laugh at 8:22

[@TheStraightPipes]

😈

[@xx42069]

What’s your opinion on this grand highlander vs the new Honda Pilot. It’s a 18-24 months wait in Canada.

[@paulneil7321]

Please do a regular hybrid drive test review, customers have no option to test drive the car now before buying. I went to couple of dealers they only have pre-sold vehicle and I was able to look only from outside.

[@V3N8MOUS]

Video was great but the limited edition AWD on the Toyota website shows C$ 68.901.19. Where are you'll getting those price from?

[@CMCNestT]

Toyota should put the normal shifter in the Hybrid Max trim.

[@user-tb2qv8rt7r]

8:31 to 8:35 I like how yuri try to over funny dramma 😂😂😂😂

[@Esmeraldajane1]

I have a Grand Highlander Limited (Moonlight) just like the one in this video and my side windows fold when I lock my car. The button to ensure that happens is inside the car on the drivers side.

[@mertersun]

If this is a Limited trim, it's supposed to have power folding side mirrors. Clearly seen also on the chart in the video. -as a matter of fact, Limited trim is pretty full of what top Platinium trim has but 360 camera, panoramic sunroof and few other things.

[@funnyfarm299]

"auto-folding" means different things to different manufacturers. For Hyundai, it means it automatically folds when you lock. For Toyota, it simply means there's a button that can do it for you.

[@forrest225]

@@funnyfarm299on the tundra there is a three position switch. Mirrors out, auto, mirrors folded. If you leave it in auto they fold when you lock it. I don’t know if this has the same switch. If it does it may have been in the first position.

[@mertersun]

@@funnyfarm299 In Toyota, you need to activate AUTO button next to power folding button on drivers side arm rest. Then, mirrors would be folded automatically when locked up. If you ever fold them manually, it turns off auto function and dont fold mirrors automatically when locked, which i suppose the case here.

[@ishanr5153]

Great to see you reviewing cars that canadians can afford

[@TheStraightPipes]

Always

[@michaelsmith9308]

Thats a very nice looking Toyota Cross:)

[@YusssoM]

No auto folding mirror when you locked it? Is it usual for that price range in US? In Indonesia, you always get auto folding mirror above $15k price range. My dad's Toyota vios got one too.

[@Kerleem]

Tha pre collision issue seems pretty bad. Hopefully it’s a bug that can be fixed with a software update because that’s not good!😊

[@domfzuniga]

Let’s get these boys to 2 million subs already.

[@TheStraightPipes]

Tell your parents, uncles, and grandparents!

[@paolo4002]

Toyota seems to do damn near everything they put their hands to right. Very very few misses.

[@senoow4215]

bc it is the only company that build their cars for quality, to last atleast 20 years is their minimum goal actually

[@senoow4215]

@@Gab_Gagnon give them 10 years and they will be top 5 100%

[@LoneWolfSparty]

​@@Gab_Gagnonthey prefer Hybrids as a solution over EV's.

[@JamesCook76131]

@@senoow4215fam they have zero tech in them, they’re not enjoyable to drive. They’re designed for NPC’s like you that don’t value excitement behind the wheel.

[@user-tb2qv8rt7r]

0:50 to 1:30 the was the best beginning of the video is was funny how yuri said the difference between Toyota grand highlander and the normal Toyota highlander 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@doggyppants9846]

Because it has a Toyota badge, this is the best car made in the world. The frame will last at least 30 years. Toyota could just put a phoenix badge on this.

[@saadtheman1]

love this carr

[@dannylockett9445]

that brake feature should be able to be changed with a software update, right?

[@joeychen8252]

DAMN! THAT GREEN BIMMER LOOKS SO GOOD. at that point I forgot this is a Toyota review.

[@jsh139]

"Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? " -Yuri probably.

[@mihaiihsan3359]

I just bought this week for business purposes. I love it!!! I never thought I will love to drive Toyota.. but this car it’s comfortable like a s-class almost!!!! The 4-cylinder engine it’s pretty powerful for that big body car. A lot of room inside of the car. I totally recommend this car!

[@vincentsalazar3887]

That safety feature where it brakes for you is there Proactive Driving Assist that brakes in order too back you away from a car supposedly. its on my 23 corolla hatch and i turned it off its too touchy and not consistent. and plus it doesnt tell me if my brakes on are on or not like it does here. I would never use it cause it does form a bad habit

[@elee717]

What are the markups on these things?

[@teovm]

I still prefer the people carrier /minivan/ Siena. Sliding doors are just perfect for children and their equipment. You will find out soon. EAs what other reason you would need a 7/8 seater SUV other than moving people. Buttons and buttons, and buttons, nice buttons and knobs. Like you are in button heaven. And on the top a nice gear shifter. Nice one from you. I really liked the wardrobe shot. Why didn't you put the coin up. I guess it's not a Rolls.

[@datninja408]

10:10 In the Corolla Hybrid it feels more natural and progressive. But in this bigger SUV it makes you brake check the car behind you 😅

[@MrSrgdrum]

Swwweeeet! Neutral slams in the mall parking lot! Let's go!

[@Wire-Free]

I test drive a limited... The adaptive cruise and auto breaking was good IMHO I hate my '24 Nissan Pathfinder version of the same features!