The History of the Minoans and the Bronze Age Collapse | Dr. Louise Hitchcock

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I'll tell you in 55 mins lol

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

@@andybeans5790 I’ll look forward to it!

[@andybeans5790]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 it was really great to hear the little conjecture that Dr Hitchcock could describe and get a feeling for how academics approach civilisations without known language

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Do is go

[@tubularblonde]

Thank you for this presentation. What fun it has been and is! Although my former spouse, Steven Lattimore, worked primarily in Classical Greek archaeology, I spent some time on my own, studying the Minoans. How can anyone not?! The Bronze Age is exciting, and, as we work in various cultures facing the Aegean, it gets better and better. Yes, many mysteries exist still and they are a sublime attraction, a force pulling us toward the discoveries and ideas proposed about Linear A and B, the Phaisos Disc, the Sea Peoples and so much more. I just love it all! ( My field is Egyptology; so, there is no escaping the influence of Minoan art forms and patterns wherever and whenever they appear! For example: the floor paintings in the palace and from the large Aten Temple in Akhetaten, my favorite examples of cross-culture influences.) Best Wishes to you and to Dr. Hitchcock, too, and may many more exciting studies fill your sites! Deborah Nourse Lattimore

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Hope Santa will bring dr Hitchcock a proper greenscreen. She deserves it! One of the best presentations on this topic. A treasure of knowledge.

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My head is a volcano of knowledge

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[@overipecanine1485]

Holy cow yes! YES YES YES a Minoan Episode. I am so happy about all the videos that have been appearing on youtube about the Minoans. Thank you so much!

[@sarahrosen4985]

Can we just take a minute to appreciate her T-shirt?! ;-)

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

You noticed! Haha! Yes, take a minute!

[@louisehitchcock6438]

PLEASE!!! I collect t-shirts.

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[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@sarahrosen4985 I just saw the illuminati T. I might have to get that!

[@SisterWomen]

I'm trying so hard to wait patiently for these Minoan videos but the truth is I'm obsessed with them. The stone circle with the goddess with upraised arms resembles circles at Gobleki Tepe with T pillars are often portrayed as persons with expressive arms.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

I am happy to help fuel your obsession! We have two more coming!

[@louisehitchcock6438]

You can read my articles on academia.,edu, but there is no stone circle.

[@SisterWomen]

@@louisehitchcock6438 I'll read them. Thank you for responding. It looks like I misunderstood in minute 52 from watching the images while you described the worship structures. I'm sorry. I dont know if my attention lapsed or what. Very interesting about Crete possibly having been depopulated.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@SisterWomen No problem. I haven't yet watched the pod. Nick uses his own images which are different from the ones I teach with.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

OK, those round buildings are early tombs. The faience snake goddesses are also earlier & heavily reconstructed. The goddess with upraised arms isn't pictured in the video - they are made of clay. If you google it, you'll probably see lots of photos.

[@stephenmichalski2643]

UTTERLY EXCELLENT!!!! Doesn't get any better than this......except for her writings. I could listen to her for centuries......Quick!....inject me full of preservatives so I can! Thank you Nick and Dr.Hitchcock.......AWESOME!AWESOME!!AWESOME!!!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Wow, thank you! I am sure that Dr. Hitchcock will be thrilled with your comment and appreciation of her work! Your comment made my day!

[@stephenmichalski2643]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Well this definitely made my week.....probably the year.

[@TT3TT3]

More stuff from Louise Hitchcock!

[@musicistherapy2]

Love this. Early 2000s bbc documentaries about the Minoans/Myceneans and Troy are what sparked my initial interest in the bronze age. After delving into Egypt, Mesopotamia Persia and even the Harappans, it's nice to come full circle.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

I remember that!!

[@ashlarblocks]

Same here!

[@quinnsengstake8085]

I loved dr. Hitchcock’s theory that the complicated nature of Minoan palaces themselves were a deterrent against attackers. I can’t wait for the upcoming talk about their architecture

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Thanks: I actually got this idea from my supervisor, Donald Preziosi

[@ryanronchak401]

@@louisehitchcock6438 Thank you for citing your source and sharing your unique knowledge Louise!

[@free_gold4467]

Absolutely love your channel Nick!

[@semiramis47]

what a truly engrossing presentation!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thank you for watching!

[@dukecity7688]

So much here to learn. Now i have to check out those pirates of Sardinia. So thankful for this introduction. Thanks Nick.

[@AlecFortescue]

Pirates of Sardinia? Just look up Sea People.

[@BigDaddy-fx4nx]

More......more please. This was one of your best!!!

[@badtexasbill5261]

Fascinating. Love listening to you and your guest.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thanks for your support Bill!

[@jahmanoog461]

Thank you for sharing your many years of research.

[@TT3TT3]

Great stuff ! Thanks! Yeah do more Minoan stuff!

[@Amadeu.Macedo]

Thanks for yet another splendid, illuminating show with Dr. Louise Hitchcock, whom I have grown to admire and respect, particularly because she was in a position to make associations between the Minoans and (my favorite) cultures of Mesopotamia and the Hyksos (a culture which originated in the Levant), which temporarily controlled the northeastern section of the Nile Delta. Bravo!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Wow, thank you! Your comment means the world and I know Dr. Hitchcock will truly appreciate it as well!

[@louisehitchcock6438]

I'm blushing

[@Amadeu.Macedo]

@@louisehitchcock6438 - While it was not my intention to make you blush, esteemed (brilliant) lady, I am delighted that my modest, sincere comment was somehow meaningful to you. Cheers!

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What an interview !!

[@carolnorton2807]

Such a fascinating talk on such a fascinating subject, Thank you both.

[@queenofzenk]

This is going to definitely be on my rewatch list 👍

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Hope you enjoy it! And thanks for your comment!

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This was awesome.

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Brilliant Lecture. Thank you

[@TheTeacher1020]

Thank you for this informative and engaging presentation. I would go back to grad school just to take one of Dr. Hitchcock’s classes!

[@ashlarblocks]

You are welcome

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Great work!

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Thank you for this. Great video

[@katmannsson]

Imma have to rewatch this later, Ive missed so much through varying distractions. Probably give it a listen Monday at Work. Gotta love youtube premium.

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Yeah, nothing beats being at work, where it's quiet and there is nothing to do :p

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Love Dr Hitchcock

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Thank you

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Very fascinating!

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Dr Hitchcock is very interesting.

[@thaliart]

Great. Very great!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Appreciate it!!! Thanks for watching!

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Good episode.

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wow this was a great watch. cant wait for her next one cheers :)

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More, more, more please. :)

[@laurum1318]

Excellent!

[@mpalfadel2008]

Great subject This should be very interesting

[@sarahrosen4985]

I never inherently perceived Minoan influence as coming from conquest but, rather, as like Paris is in Western culture today: everyone wants to emulate it; have that je ne sais quoi of French fashion / food / design / culture. In a 1,000 years archaeologists might think that Paris militarily conquered the world, given the number of books, blogs, interior design houses and websites - not to mention the Parisian antiques in Parisian-inspired homes and restaurants - scattered through so many places around the world.

[@ashlarblocks]

The Versailles effect is a valid theory

[@petrosE75]

We will never know, because we can't go back in time. We can infer. Great video.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@petrosE75]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 No, thank you. Love from Cape Town. 🇿🇦

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[@KeithShuler]

"A can of Minoan whoop-ass." -Dr. Hitchcock. Excellent questions, great show as always.

[@Nyctophora]

Thank you, this was excellent!

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

Wow, Dr. Hitchcock is great, I learned so much, and not just the usual stuff in every intro video. It makes sense that the language recorded in Linear A is an isolate, they were an island nation, for the most part.

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I consider the agate carved warriors great work of art, dreamlike, I wud get it as a mural,

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Thank you!🙏🙏🙏

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You are so welcome!

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[@MarkVrem]

Good stuff. I never knew that the issue with deciphering the Minoan texts wasn't the actual deciphering of the letters, but the actual language itself. It not having like a living relative language or the Rosetta stone. Which is a complaint I have heard about before, the lack of a Rosetta stone for it. But it all kind of came together now lol.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Same here. I love her explanations and how she breaks everything down stating the facts, and her opinions and etc.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Also I have a whole episode coming on writings scripts in the Aegean.

[@ashlarblocks]

The symbols represented syllables

[@marymaryquitethecontrarian]

So interesting.

[@greg5023]

14:26 "parchment that has since disintegrated" ... we need to find the Med Sea scrolls.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Agreed!

[@greg5023]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Very glad you asked about slavery. When I saw the salt mine at Lake Hallstatt and was told how rich it made those Celts I started wondering if rich people worked in salt mines or perhaps had slaves. I'm now always very curious about the extent of slavery in a culture and this video answered my question -- the Minoans, being a trading people, didn't seem to have much need for slaves.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Unfortunately this depends a lot on climate

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This is a good video, thsnkyou

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We love and appreciate it!

[@itsirkeel]

Thank you so much for this! I've become interested in the end of the Bronze Age and am doing research on the Minoans to write a fictional story set there. I was thinking of setting it from the POV of someone coming from somewhere else, probably Egypt, but now after listening to this interview, it could be a Lakonian. What overview books/papers (I'm looking a Dr. Hitchcock's, of course!) are good for basic research you would recommend? I'm going back to Cline's 1177 B.C. but wouldn't mind other resources you suggest.

[@Ganondorf525]

The Minoan deep state sounds pretty based. Does anyone know of a good source or breakdown of the civil service and bureaucracies in other ancient cultures in the region? Potentially those whose writing we can read. It would be cool to see how the worked elsewhere and how they are represented in those cultures art and if it is at all similar to what we see in the Minoan art.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Well, there was a very powerful bureaucracy in Mesopotamia. The deep state idea is something I just started exploring. I would like to put a conference session together in a couple of years and get scholars from a lot of different periods to explore it.

[@wouterdevlieger1002]

Akenaten's shortlived attempt to move away from multitheism would be the best known example of ancient rulers struggling with the deep state.

[@Ganondorf525]

@@louisehitchcock6438 Do we know anything about what the general public in Mesopotamia viewed the bureaucratic class? Were they seen positively, less than positively or were they mistrusted like we have with conspiracy types today? Was there significant amounts of consistency in the bureaucracy between different ruling dynasty. Were they largely effected or unaffected by external conquest?

[@louisehitchcock6438]

​@@Ganondorf525 That's a great question. As writing was a monopoly of the bureaucracy, we would not know what the public thought. Too much archaeology has been focused on tablets, palaces, and temples. I expect that as long as the harvests happened, and the king wasn't over thrown that people were largely satisfied. The point is that those who had access to specialized knowledge enjoyed privilege. When city states went to war, it's possible that a lot of people were killed or the king might surrender and become a vassal of a more powerful king. I would like to use your question when I try and put a session together on this topic. Re. conspiracy theories, we have accounts going back at least to the 12th century - often people that were scapegoated in earlier times were killed. I would add that having a large, secretive bureaucracy doesn't always lead to conspiracy theories.

[@Ganondorf525]

​@@louisehitchcock6438 Feel free to use my questions in your conference session. I have another few if that i okay. Do we know what type of people worked in the bureaucracies of the ancient near east? Were they generally drawn from the nobility or priests or was there some level of social mobility? Would it be possible for lower or middle class people to join the civil service? Did the civil service work with farmers or craftsmen to craft policy and increase production or simply dictate orders from on high? Do we have any idea how much independence the bureaucracy had from the king/nobles. Were they policy makers or were they simply putting other people ideas into practice?

[@kimberlyperrotis8962]

Nick, could you make a playlist with your videos featuring Dr. Hitchcock? Thanks.

[@jankosmith5667]

I like her shirt - greetz from Sardinia!

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Sardinia is the best

[@Sinsteel]

There are references to bulls all through the Mesopotamian myths etc, their head god, storm god Enlil is commonly depicted standing on the back of a bull, wearing the aforementioned horned helmet which is later used by basically all near-east civilisations to denote kingship or divine authority, often with several layers of horns. As for Enlil, the Sumerians were dependent on the storms that broke over the Taurus mountains, perhaps even then associated with the bull somehow, or perhaps herding people came over those mountains, but those storms are what feed the rivers Tigris and Euphrates and allowed their flood plain, irrigation and agriculture lifestyle. And finally of course the ox pulling a plow has been essential to agriculture since 4000 BC. So there's a lot of interplay there, it's no wonder the storm god became their chief god.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Bulls could also shoot their sperm for quite a distance

[@Sinsteel]

@@louisehitchcock6438 Probably still can too! The other thing I've often wondered about is that in the Anzu story the god Ninurta, son of Enlil and god of war and agriculture one of his descriptors referring to previous deeds is "slayer of the bull-man in the sea" - it's tempting to wonder what this is a reference to, and if it somehow refers to something on an island - "in the sea".

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@Sinsteel That is certainly food for thought. The Arabic word for island is Jazeera, which refers to the land mass between the Tigris and Euphrates, so it could possibly be a reference to that area as well. The bull man is a character on a lot of seals: usually 1/2 human 1/2 bull.

[@scottnunnemaker5209]

Seems like the Minoans were a lot like most older civilizations. Priest-leaders, probably a whole bureaucracy made up of the head priests(priestesses) with the priest of the most important temple/deity as sort of a leader for the group. It seems highly likely that most ancient civilizations began like that. They are in family groups, those groups grow over time to include multiple families. Somehow religion starts up(I’m of the mind it was like the second and third sons who or the daughters who due to their spot in the order of births knew they weren’t going to lead the group so they found creative ways to gain power, religion is basically just who has the best story) and you get priest-Kings because individuals claim all the ability to commune with the deities and interpret religious signs so they hold power. Then you had various leaders pop up who aren’t part of the religious elite but they have enough power to make the priests bend to their will. These early leaders later become god-Kings as they take even more power from the religions making themselves a deity. And pretty much god kings continue all the way to today. Monarchs still regard themselves as chosen by a god or gods to rule like in Thailand. Idk it seems like all civilization pretty much follow the same kind of blue print.

[@tewekdenahom485]

ever since industrial revolution the billionaire groups have adopted the God-King personality

[@coachduke9323]

@@tewekdenahom485 , I'm curious as to how many billionaire industrialists you have had the opportunity to meet? Also, the industrial age is gone or given way to a new paradigm. It's the Era that you haven't defined or acknowledged that has produced the billionaires. Meaning that billionaires are a new phenomenon and there's very very few people who qualify for this club or distinction. And zero of this group , no one, has a life that is comparable to the God kings. It's just a lazy and mindless attempt to offer an insightful observation on past and present civilizations. Basically uniformed opinion.

[@geogoes360]

What I found interesting is that the minoans were called Kaptara in Mari texts, the Akkadian rendering Kabturi, Egyptian Kaftiu (kftiw) and Biblical Kapthor. Why? Because the first part of the name kap, kab sound like the word "cap" who could be related to the word head in latin, caput, and second part of the word tara, turi, thor sound like toro meaning taurus/bull. If I am not wrong, kap tara in Mari, kab turi in akkadian and kap thor can de translated as bull head, bullhead.

[@peasantarcher2486]

Is this backed by research or are you just spitballing because it makes sense😂

[@geogoes360]

@@peasantarcher2486 what do you mean? It is just my observation based on the similarities between the 3 words, from 3 dead languages, and the fact that minoans were famous for their Toro/Bull legend. If you are looking for scientific well documented explanations on KZbin, in coments, you are at the wrong place, if you don't know.

[@uniquely.mediocre1865]

This is a really interesting theory. Part of me wants the "cap" part be in reference to women's fancy hats from early minoan statuettes but ya, it meaning head make sense too lol

[@geogoes360]

@@uniquely.mediocre1865 in romanian, cap means head and taur means bull. And these are indo european words inherited from latin. Did the Minoans have an indo-european language? I don't know. Or the name was inherited in akkadian, egyptian, Bible through an indo-european language like the hittite? Who knows.

[@uniquely.mediocre1865]

@@geogoes360 lol I'm not arguing your theory, I simply made a joke lol, remember those lil statuettes with the big skirts and Mohawk like hats

[@martinlyons2199]

This was excellent. A fascinating and succinctly presented talk by Dr Hitchcock. Can we have more by her please. I’d love to hear more of her thoughts on the Minoan relationship with the Near and Middle East, including potential immigration routes and cultural diffusion, such as the widely practiced bull worship.

[@nuagiste]

FINE CONTENT GUYS

[@onbedoeldekut1515]

Where did they come from? Where did they go? Nobody knows but Cotton-Eye-Joe (and us now)

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Hey but at least she’s honest about it though!

[@irakliskazantzidis9837]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 in Chromosom world map you can see the Minoan from Neolithic period the red line connect with Anatolia Caucasus and Mesopotamia with Cretaupload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/ca/20180707210510%21World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png

[@ashlarblocks]

Love it

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Who the fuck is Alice. Is he Joanne boygig partner..

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[@marysibayan5643]

The sword that I'm supposed to know what it means? But I don't. Help appreciated.

[@Kelenmar]

I second this request, it is mentioned at 51:58

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[@marksiezure3285]

No slaves in Minoan society? Who served and did the work in rich and/or royal households? Ancient civilizations that did not have slaves is unheard of; were the Minoans unique? I like that Dr Hitchcock references the Egyptians, Sumerians etc. as influences.....makes sense.

[@karinschultz5409]

Great content. Years ago I visited Knossos and took the "tour". At the time, I was studying archaeology (neolithic/epi-paleolithic) and was intrigued by Evan's interpretation and reconstruction of the ruins as a "palace". An alternative view was that this was a religious centre based on the topography of the site, not the administrative centre/house of a king. As Evans used his own money to reconstruct the site, I think that this coloured his interpretation of the ruins, like the stairs that lead to nowhere. Any ideas? And, is there any connection to the Neolithic ruins on Malta?

[@louisehitchcock6438]

I have an article on his reconstructions on my Academia page. Despite the mistakes, they don't really affect the interpretation of the building given we have at least 5 other canonical "palaces"

[@louisehitchcock6438]

In my PhD I interpreted them as temples

[@free_gold4467]

@@louisehitchcock6438 I'm reading Marinatos' Minoan ritual book and he's quite convincing on them being the temples of the Minoans.

[@ashlarblocks]

A religion built of concrete

[@alenbacco7613]

22:00 Looks like ishtar to me

[@sarahrosen4985]

Dr. Hitchcock: Nobody ever picks the bunny rabbit! :-) Peter Rabbit: Hold Mr. McGregor's carrot. Jasper Fforde: Read 'The Constant Rabbit'.

[@Nach956]

8:44 "egyptians reffered to them as Keftiu" I wrote down notes of toponyms mentioned in Canopus Decree, in which "Keftet" is meant to be Phoenicia land, not Crete, at least according to whoever translated it in a video. Allthough, the Canopus Decree is from a much later time, during the ptolemaic period. But now, looking further in sites regarding that term, I find that keftiu stands for "lands beyond the sea". Sounds very generic.

[@teacherdude]

The practice of placing metallic images of limbs in modern Greek Orthodox churches is widespread in Greece and Cyprus, There are called 'tama' and the act of pilgrimage to ask for holy intervention in issues of health is called a tama

[@desiderata8811]

Were there interaction between the Minoans and the early Egyptians ?

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Yes

[@tewekdenahom485]

Yeah mon

[@barnardthomas1411]

Are we selling minoan shoes online now?

[@louisehitchcock6438]

If you start a store, I will buy a pair

[@trevorhunton7526]

Apparently there were three independent city states on Crete, probably all known to the Egyptians and were not called Minoans. These folks were probably displaced and became part of what the Egyptians called the sea people's and were probably the folks who's tribal names are mentioned by the Egyptians. Probably became the Philistines.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

More than 3 I believe. I've worked at a Philistine site for 10 years

[@trevorhunton7526]

@@louisehitchcock6438 lucky you. All seems logical to me, as the folks in the palaces lost control the peasants went off raping and pillaging. It's what we do and what we've always done when we're not forced to live under a rule of law or a rule of fear.

[@redcapetimetraveler7688]

22:27 this pair of lions remind me of Mycene's gate , to noone else ? an evidence of influence from who to who ?

[@darktyrannosaurus22]

It's Cybele or Rhea, or Gaia. Mother-Earth, Queen of the Gods, Lady of Animals and Nature, the major goddess of Pre-Indo-Europeans of Europe

[@redcapetimetraveler7688]

@@darktyrannosaurus22 , or the godess on her throne with two big cats of Catal Hoyuk..yes you're right it's an old concept.

[@thaliart]

@@darktyrannosaurus22 I was just about to say the same.Thanx for doing me a favor😁

[@thaliart]

Its got to do something with astrology I think.

[@redcapetimetraveler7688]

@@thaliart , a metaphor of the celestial vault...with a suprem godess on top...well in egypt they called her Nout and Geb was the earth beneath her being here the montain...why not it makes sens ...minoans and egyptians were trade partners.

[@casfacto]

'The first deep state.' "Al'ight, Imma head out"

[@wouterdevlieger1002]

I was too surprised to hear that term in this video that I didn't even roll my eyes as I usually do. 😋 nice to hear it in a non-conspirational way for a change.

[@shiftyjake]

It feels like a very 2020 interpretation somehow. Doesn't make it wrong, I guess.

[@luism5514]

Uh, lobbying and unelected bureaucratic power exists aka Deep State. Read a book.

[@SamVagyok]

Deep state is very very real

[@shiftyjake]

@@luism5514 This is hilarious because you're exactly the thing OP is heading out from. Maybe you should read a book. Try "How to Win Friends and Influence People". I've never read it myself, but I can tell you this: People will like you and listen to you more if you listen to them. You can indicate you're listening by responding to what they actually said rather than changing the subject to what you really want to talk about. Then maybe people won't wanna head out so much.

[@grammardad]

Kavousi’s Kastro-great site.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

I was very lucky to work there one season

[@flowfingers851]

we most certainly do not all know what the naotu sword represents

[@connorhighland6783]

timestamps?

[@davidbaker6604]

The political science comments at around 18:00 was something out out left field. I greatly disliked the comparison of an unknown Minoan governing structure to a hypothetical U.S. deep state. I have worked in government for over 20 years in several locations around the country and have never seen any such "slow walking" that she described. She seems to be drawing a biased conclusion on what I can on qualify as a mis-perception of how she understands the functionality of government agencies and their employees. She really needs to clarify her comments on the matter.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

I was talking about a bureaucracy, not comparing to the US. Did you ever hear of Mesopotamia?

[@dr.barrycohn5461]

Minoan had great sense of aesthetics...but the Sumerians had lots of silt and clay as a raw materials.

[@ashlarblocks]

You’re being a bit unkind to the Sumerians

[@paulbennett772]

If we assume that bull-leaping was a display of athleticism, the man impaled must surely be a depiction of "shit happens"

[@IvorMektin1701]

I've wondered if they tried aurochs or cape buffalo.... maybe those were for the playoffs?

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@IvorMektin1701 I used to think bull leaping was mythological until I saw the Spanish bull leaping videos on KZbin

[@stoichawke]

@@louisehitchcock6438 I used the "la Course Landaise" in my honors thesis to dispute what I saw as a romanticized depiction from Evans. The whole notion that the momentum of the bull could propel someone over the bull seemed nonsensical to me. American rodeo wasn't the appropriate model. Would love to hear your thoughts on the Vaphieo Cup sometime, but I sometimes have a bit of difficulty navigating these responses. :)

[@ReDhEnSkY]

This was just mind-blowing! A very good introduction to the history of Bronze Age Crete - exactly what I was looking for. The suggestion about the Minoan élites as a "deep state" has the incredible merit of being at the same time provocative (in a funny way) and enlightening. If you don't take it too literally - like in conspiracy theories - it just suggest the idea of an élite that is relatively stable and homogeneous over time, highly bureaucraticized, and that represents itself in a very symbolically-charged fashion - both in the eyes of the "insiders" and in relation to foreign powers. If this is the case, is it possible that calling those structures "palaces" or "temples" becomes more a matter of architectural classification than of "functional" definition?

[@markusbroyles1884]

As much as I like these documenteries ~ I don't like looking at these faces for the whole show. There's so much art and architexture and beauty on the locations ~ Learn to give people what they WANT !

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Buy my book, Aegean Art and Architecture or google images for free?

[@panostriantaphillou766]

Minos is referred in the myth of Theseus. Evans most likely knew the myth.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

Yup, but no evidence for such a person.

[@ashlarblocks]

No way to know

[@wouterdevlieger1002]

He even went out looking specifically for the labyrinth and made his findings fit the myth.

[@ddpp1420]

@@louisehitchcock6438 What a load of Rubish there is no evidence The fact your talking about them is evidence Stop belittling Ancient Greek History

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@ddpp1420 Later Greek myths are not history. History is history.

[@AnVero]

Subtitles, please!!!!! I'm from Poland and I can better uderstand with subtitles :)

[@AnVero]

Thanks!

[@VladimirAvdonine]

On the Boat promenade fresco, there are at least 3 boats with 40 rowers on each, bended over and rowing canoe style. I don't think it was Free labour.

[@musicistherapy2]

I also would love a pair of minoan shoes!

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

If I find one I will split the pair with you, haha.

[@ashlarblocks]

If you start a store, I would be happy to be your first customer ❤️

[@jeremyc2957]

4:35 when someone asks me why I can't pick a favorite ancient civilization

[@migdaliafrazier8536]

How can you say it's not important where they came from.. It's always important when a person or you want to know your history where u came from...

[@kheru5267]

Does anybody question why most "humans " or subspecies of humans were primitive hunter and gatherers while a few were more advanced in math, geometry, astronomy, physics etc.? One must go back in time to when earth was a soupy ethereal mixture consisting of all the elements we know of today.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

I think Geography can play a major role in human development and advancement.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

@Nas Choka civilization started in a very specific place and slowly spread outwards. Luckily Greece and the Aegean shared a connection to Mesopotamia through travel and contact hence the development of civilization in Europe.

[@kheru5267]

Manly Hall has a great explanation

[@kheru5267]

Based on responses I will say briefly and generally. Earth while still in its soupy mixture of elements, mingled with energies (vibrations)...is the same elements the essence of mankind is derived from. Over billions of years the "creation" process continues along both in mankind and the planet. The planet has been in cycles of cataclysms. Continents fall while other rise from the waters. With each Age the earth is changed...renewed...born again . See Root-Races on Theosophy Wiki. It is in alignment with Manly P Hall and many ancient others. Related -->> kzbin.info/www/bejne/m53cfKqjg8aYedU One must know that gods and goddesses shown in art, papyrus texts and sculptures are only representations of energy....not actual creatures.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

It was easy. That's a different pod

[@julmcconnell]

The god Teshub rode on a bull, Catal Huyuk had bull imagery. I think the Minoans were from Anatolia.

[@free_gold4467]

I'd lay a bet that Nick is wearing some Minoan shoes right now.

[@oker59]

Thucydyes mentioning the Minoans, and not calling them Atlantis would be proof that Plato's ideas of Atlantis are fictional.

[@ashlarblocks]

Possibly or perhaps the Atlantis story was retold so many times it got modified in retelling. We don’t know

[@ashlarblocks]

Plato was later

[@oker59]

@@ashlarblocks Plato is practically contemporaneous. There's still Thera, the culture wiped out by a volcano, if you believe in Atlantis.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@oker59 Plato was contemporaneous with who/ what? Thucydides? Some classicists suggest Thucydides made up the idea of a thalassocracy to legitimize an Athenian one. Plato was as far from the Minoans as we are from the late Medieval period

[@Vexarax]

Yes or Plato could of heard rumours of the the Thera eruption and the bronze age collapse, and heard tell of the incredible technological feats of the Minoans, and decided to put it all together into his own allegory? Inventing his own name for their culture and changing aspects of the tale for the sake of dramatization? We can only theorize, but it's fascinating to think about :)

[@christophercripps7639]

Creten civil war ... one faction hires/asks for Mycenaean help ...

[@louisehitchcock6438]

It would be nice if they left an account like this

[@donnysandley6977]

Thank you and very interesting 🧐 I recently saw a thing about the Welsh in England and their ancient ties to Sumerian and they used to call themselves cumarians with a c or a k 🤔

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Thanks for watching! I will say that I don’t subscribe to the Sumerian / Britain connection but that doesn’t mean I’m right!

[@sarahrosen4985]

Offering to the Marduk algorithm while Nick is in hospital.

[@jamesjrn]

What does she think about the idea that the Etruscans are somehow derived from the Minoans?

[@louisehitchcock6438]

There were Italians in Greece at the end of the Bronze Age. At the same time, there were Mycenaeans making pottery in Italy. People moved around. There are a lot of Near Eastern features in Etruscan Civ as well, but I'm not an expert...

[@jamesjrn]

@@louisehitchcock6438 I really appreciate your response! You were great in this video. I like how you say what you believe based on evidence, but also aren’t one of these people that acts like you know exactly everything about them, which unfortunately I see too often in the videos about the ancient past. You say what you can reasonably figure out and yet aren’t afraid to say what you don’t know.

[@ashlarblocks]

Hi James, You’re very kind. When I was a student I always hated when professors pretended their fantasies were truth, so I’ve always felt it was important to distinguish between what we know, what we think we know & what we don’t know.

[@ashlarblocks]

I’m not a specialist on the Etruscans, but what is your evidence they were Arabs?

[@ashlarblocks]

@Azal Abadi I honestly don’t know. Most archaeologists study a region & a time period. I can’t talk confidently about the Etruscans. I know that a lot of scholars connect them with the Near East & that some of their funerary art connects them with Egypt & with Crete. My understanding is that the Amorites are the culture that Arabs emerge from. I apologize that I can’t say more, but I cannot ethically discuss cultures I haven’t studied.

[@elece1124]

Strong female with lions? Could she be Inanna portrayed?

[@riffhurricane]

Interesting subject, but 3 minutes in & already I hear the usual fallacies being trotted out. "The earliest permanent settlers arrived... around 7000 BCE..." Even today, over 80% of the world's population live near to a coastline. Nine thousand years ago we were still climbing out of the last ice age, a time when sea levels were over 400 feet lower than today. Settlements prior to this period would probably be under hundreds of feet of seawater today. If she would only preface her statements with the caviat "that we know of" I could take her a bit more seriously. But no.... she reckons she's got it all figured out it seems. I'll carry on watching, but this is a pretty poor start on her part. Regardless, many thanks for putting this up! I'm a new sub to your channel & enjoying going through your content. Cheers! EDIT: I still stand by my opening rant, but I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the video & Dr. Hitchcock has a lot to offer. Also (& to her credit), she seems ready to acknowledge the limits of understanding in other areas.. just not the one I mentioned ;)

[@MrZekinhaluiz]

She's only stating that to areas we have information on. There is little information on human settlements on flooded areas because it's really hard to get there.

[@riffhurricane]

@@MrZekinhaluiz the direct quote was as I wrote it. She made no such equivocation.

[@riffhurricane]

@Ario 1 Yes, but mostly along the shorelines, if 80% of us live by the sea today the number can only have been greater back then. Also, consider what would be left after the passage of thousands of years? If we all disappeared tomorrow what trace of our modern society would be left in a thousand years? Probably the Hoover dam & a few other structures but not much else. Wood rots, iron rust & concrete & brick crumbles.

[@riffhurricane]

@Ario 1 I would agree that Gobekli Tepe is the earliest evidence of what we would call civilisation... currently. Its worth pointing out that only a few decades ago archeologists & historians were confidently telling us that the Sumerians were the first civilisation approx 6 or 7 k years ago. Gobakli Tepe exploded that & pushed the date back 4 or 5 thousand years (& remember that is a huge site of which we have only excavated a small fraction). Also the dating we have for that site is the date it was buried (itself an epic feat) and abandoned. You say I'm copping out stating that there are most likely prior settlements submerged under the sea. Do you have anything at all to back that up or are you just making a glib statement? Given that Homo Sapiens has been around for at least 300K years (not a number I trust, but let's say its accurate for the sake of the argument) - people every bit as smart & creative as you or I; what on earth do you think they were up to for 96% of that time? Banging each other over the head with clubs & living in caves? The Younger Dryas cataclism at the end of the ice age wiped out inumerable species, over 50% of the megafauna on the N American continent alone. Sea levels up 400 feet, titanic floods, land masses sinking due to isostatic pressure from the released water. Do you think we were immune from all that? Take a look around the coastline of the Azores, no not the current one - the 10000 years old one that's now 1000 feet below sea level. I don't wish any offence, but to say "if there was any civilisation in Ice Age or earlier times there would be evidence of it" is particularly weak, which is probably why you don't back it up with anything at all.

[@riffhurricane]

@Ario 1 Even in the 20th century we've had essentially stone age cultures in some parts of the world & highly developed civilisations in others. There's no reason why this couldn't have been the case in antiquity also. That one culture at the time was 'primitive' in no implies that every culture/civilisation was. I would have to disagree & say that Gobekli Tepe (which I'll refer to as GT from now on) clearly represents a civilisation. There's no way a site of that site & sophistication could be constructed by wandering hunter gatherers. The manpower & logistics required for such a feat precludes this. If we live long enough there's a good chance we'll see older sites found, at which point GT will be moved to the mid point of the civilisation & the new one will be regarded as the "beginning of the process which leads to civilisation." My point is to do with the hubris of archeology. Dr. Hitchcock confidently stated that "The earliest permanent settlers arrived... around 7000 BCE..." The truth is that she really has no clue beyond what we've found so far. If she's correct then there will never be anything we find that contradicts her interpretation. Does that seem likely to you?

[@KloseEnkounter]

Would the Mithraic tauroctony have any relationship to the cult of the bull?

[@KloseEnkounter]

I also found it interesting as well as exciting how Hitchcock highlighted the centralism of secret societies, and even a deep state, in ancient society

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@KloseEnkounter There is a very good book on Secret Societies in Archaeology for Brian Hayden. I used that as my background. I don't know anything about Mithraic rituals, but bulls were regarded as powerful in most cultures.

[@KloseEnkounter]

@@louisehitchcock6438 Thank you so much, this will be incredibly valuable for my dissertation. I am very excited for your work to be published, I hope you are enjoying researching and creating the piece.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@KloseEnkounter The Hayden book is REALLY good. What is your dissertation on. Mithraic rituals? I've published a short general public article on the Deep State: neoskosmos.com/en/181125/the-deep-state-bureaucracies-ruling-the-minoan-palaces-in-crete/

[@louisehitchcock6438]

@@KloseEnkounter I'll be presenting a longer paper at the end of January at the following conference which will be accessible via Zoom: mediterraneanarcha.wixsite.com/maarc

[@katmannsson]

Its so hard to say if there was Slavery or not because of how long ago it was and we dont have an actual written record from them that we can actually make use of so with out a real corpus theres no way to make a legitimate claim either way.

[@louisehitchcock6438]

There's some evidence for it in the Mycenaean world but it's obscure. We have a good Akkadian word for slave: wardu. Often it was a temporary condition based on capture in war

[@johnblount6341]

Just an extension of the Annunaki.

[@ashlarblocks]

Perhaps

[@praveenb9048]

[18:21] Yes, Minister... Old school tie.. Old boy network.

[@elenivargis126]

Who doesn't love the Minoans :) xE

[@eszterhorvath2599]

Whatch Peter Revesz, he is deep in this research, and he sees similarity with hungarian.