Why Yoda said Obi-Wan was the WORST choice to Train Anakin as a Jedi

[@daniels7907]

Going back to AotC, we are shown that Obi-Wan was prone to belittling Anakin, even in front of a Republic Senator. Their problem was that they were too close in age. Obi-Wan lacked the authority of a father figure, being closer to an older brother. Yet again, the Jedi Council's chronic inability to understand that the universe doesn't work according to their wishes proved disastrous.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

A lot of supplementary material (including the AotC novelisation) implied that Obi-Wan's treatment of Anakin in that situation was a deviation from the norm. He was coming down harder than usual on Anakin because Anakin was trying to show off for Padmé and didn't seem to have a handle on his feelings

[@daniels7907]

@@ZoeMalDoran - There's this little thing called: being discrete. Yes, Anakin was getting his creep on Padme. However, in the interest of maintaining the appearance of professionalism, Obi-Wan should *not* have resorted to such petty behavior in front of the Senator. You would expect Jedi, supposedly excellent diplomats, to know how to defuse an awkward situation without making an even bigger scene. It shows that he really wasn't mature enough to be a Master. Later, he criticizes Anakin for recklessness immediately after he himself jumped through a window, grabbed onto a small droid, and prayed to the Force that it had enough repulsorlift power to keep them both aloft. Oh, and then the droid gets shot, leaving him to fall to his death except for Anakin saving him. But still he complains and acts superior. Honestly, I watched all this and it was like Anakin's fall to the Dark Side was at least half motivated by Obi-Wan's arrogance.

[@ZoeMalDoran]

@@daniels7907 Neither of them exactly cover themselves in glory in AotC, do they?

[@daniels7907]

@@ZoeMalDoran - They really don't!

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[@saveritas731]

So the organization that is all about not being ruled by emotion closes their eyes to the threat of the Sith and refuses to train a child with the highest Force potency of all time (that refusal creating permanent mistrust with said child for the rest of his life) because he had a life outside of their institution, and then when the guy who tried to warn them dies, they are so upset that they take his last words too literally and appoint the former Padawan as the child's mentor instead of giving that role to someone like Windu who specializes in mastering negative emotions, but still allow an atmosphere of mistrust between themselves and the child to fester and provide barely any oversight. And while they're at it, they let the child hang out with the top dog politician of their nation who they have misgivings about, but rescuing the child's mother from slavery so the child can have peace of mind is somehow too much. "No, the Jedi way totally works and the Jedi Council is not as incompetent as it's made out to be." Sure.

[@danielpaulmann4799]

Its just very very constructed how the jedi council manages to make all of these slipups. As appealing as his world building might be, Lucas characters have never been extremely convincing, nor his plots. But one might say they are competent generals but spiritually flawed. Yoda least of all but he has to work against his own council at age 850 while his right hand eagerly ran of to play soldier and slowly became the worst of the bunch. Remember how the jedi were reluctant to fight in the mandalorian wars? Back then they were pacifists still and the republic did not overrely on jedi for its protection. The modern Jedi were slowly shoehorned into becoming a military force, and by the time of the clonewars they had become living contradictions.

[@vallettapetracyneran8587]

"Qui-gon's definence, I sense you. Hmmm, your apprentice Skywalker will be."

[@kaidorade1317]

“…need that you do not. Agree with you the council does”

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

FACTS 🤣 Yoda is a damn FOOL

[@joemama7163]

Wtf is "definence?"

[@kevinfisher3742]

@@joemama7163 I think they mean, defiance. Which you probably knew you just wanted to prove your ultimate superiority by being king of the spelling bee.

[@joemama7163]

@@kevinfisher3742 no, I had no clue what they meant. Judging by the fact that you're guessing too, I'd suggest it was a fair comment. Ride along Sir Knight.

[@benjaminashberg7841]

This argument - that someone is too old to begin the Jedi training - has always confused me. If a powerful Force-sensitive child (or adult, for that matter) is considered dangerous if trained, do the Jedi not stand to benefit by getting involved in their shaping of that person? Not training someone as a Jedi does not take away their natural affinity with the Force, and there are darker powers in the galaxy that do not share the same age-restrictions

[@paddywiggle]

There are very few dark forces that would be able to train those people. There is a much higher likelihood they go dark if they are trained later in life, because they have made attachments they cannot get over. i.e. Anakin Skywalker

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[@havco501st7]

You're absolutely right of originally during the Old Republic especially during the Great Galactic War Jedi would train young adults.

[@kudblythe]

I feel like this has to do with not having to break established views, beliefs and ways of living. The younger they are when they begin training, the “easier” it is to teach the ways of the force and the code of the Jedi. Indoctrination requires a basic understanding of who you are, and a belief system to appose. Maybe this had something to do with the fear that a child starting their training after a certain age, had higher chances of being influenced and seduced by the dark side. Maybe it was to ensure almost every Jedi trained was guaranteed to be fiercely loyal to the order. Maybe this whole theory is cockamamie 😅

[@evos469]

Had the council freed his mother

[@DeathScepter]

that would be an non issue due to Palpatine and given Palpatine's predatory nature, he would exploited that as well. For Anakin was the Cherry on top for his grand plan. yeah, I am calling Palpatine a child predator. Look what he did to Maul and how he turned out

[@williejones6446]

@@DeathScepter Im not sure why at all I like that thought process you had but it gave me this crazy twinge of Herbert from family guy. Hes always there JUST OUT OF LINE OF SIGHT!

[@Abandonsoyciety]

Technically all sith are child predators, Plagius did it to Sidious Bay making him kill his own family. ​@@DeathScepter

[@DeathScepter]

@@williejones6446 that is my point. Yes Sith are both evil and creepy

[@DeathScepter]

@@Abandonsoyciety yeah and Plagueis encouraged the darkness within Palpatine.

[@kaidorade1317]

Had Dooku not left the Order right before Episode One, I wonder what it would have been if he had trained Anakin

[@ibannash]

He left right after episode 1.

[@Tuturial464]

It depends on continuity ​@@ibannash

[@ibannash]

@@Tuturial464 Tales of the jedi is Canon, so that's what I was referring to. Don't know too much about Legends.

[@abraxis20]

@@ibannash In the Darth Plagueis book it was after Qui Gon was killed.

[@TheLuconic]

There are different versions of what ifs on this very topic. Most are positive, and technically one negative but Dooku still was a hero.

[@DisasterMaggot]

Something that I have always found fascinating is that from the line of Dooku all the way to Ahsoka, only one rigid Jedi emerged from it. Obi-Wan sticks out ideologically from the others, it is one of those things about Star Wars that makes you look deeper to figure out why that happened.

[@jasonlewis75]

Never thought about if refused, Obi-Wan training Anakin alone away from the temple. Things would be totally different

[@Lilitha11]

It would of been entirely different. If taught alone, Anakin wouldn't have gotten all the military combat experience.

[@BigBlueHorses]

Qui Gon would have helped Anakin navigate the attachment issue. He would have taught the idea that those we love do not die but live on in the Living Force and are always with us. When the visions of Anakin mother started Qui Gon would have gone to Tatooine with his apprentice, teaching through the emotions of the situation, something Kenobi was not capable of doing. Also, Yoda et al focused on the Cosmic Force, loss, detachment something Palp played on. It’s another failing of Yoda.

[@macrosense]

The Jedi were not very flexible. Perhaps they could have helped also train anakin, or help Obi-wan train Anakin

[@DeathScepter]

Plo Koon would have a better Jedi Master because he is a better blend of maturity, emotional self control, wisdom and empathy. Obi Wan was in the early 20s and going thru lost with Qui Gon

[@calkestis5817]

This one master one apprentice thing was also bad. The Jedi younglings bullied Anakin because he didn’t have to work hard to get a master. A lot of younglings go to the Corps if they couldn’t get one.

[@michaelhviper]

Qui Gon wasn't the typical Jedi, he could have trained Anakin in a different way than Obi Won. I think he would have shown more compassion and understanding, not to mention not being as rigid as other Jedi in their methods and techniques. I think he or another Jedi like him would have made a better teacher to Anakin for those reasons.

[@Lilitha11]

Yeah. Obi-wan just taught Anakin how to fight. He did very little else.

[@jupupable4101]

Qui Gon was a pretty negligent and borderline abusive Master to Obi-Wan, though.

[@ericj6636]

​@jupupable4101 borderline? Qui Gon was an asshole to initiate Kenobi. Bandomeer and Melida/Daan were awful.

[@shadowwolf9467]

@@ericj6636 Could you provide more information, please? You've piqued my interest now.

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

But at the end, it worked. You know why? Because prime/peak Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One, the hero with no fear. Before his fall to the dark side and transformation into Darth Vader Surpassed and was above obi wan Kenobi as well as every other Jedi But we're still below or equal to Yoda and Mace Windu And just like he defeated and killed Count Dooku alone all by himself, he could have would have done the same thing to both Darth Maul and General Grievous, either separately or together. In both armed and unarmed combat if he was sent after them.

[@Eric6761]

Many thought Obi Wan would lose and get behind but Anakin did the opposite, he went from an above Average Knight or begining Master level in Attack Of The Clones to being one of the strongest Jedi that the order had ever seen, not only that but he was THE Master of form 3

[@Lilitha11]

I think the big problem was Anakin's entire education seemed to be based around combat. Which yeah, made him really good at combat. He probably could of benefit from some training on how to deal with his darker impulses and gotten some counseling. Even in the original, Yoda has Luke fight his dark reflection to help him gain some insight. Why didn't Anakin spend more time doing stuff like that?

[@Eric6761]

@@Lilitha11 I think there were three things that stopped that: the first being Yoda inexperience on trying to teach about the dark side beyond "Sith bad, don't have attachments and etc" second was that Luke was basically being manipulated into killing Vader so it was beneficial at the time to have him confront the dark side and the third being the location was more favorable, Yoda only knew about Dagobah after the whole Attack Of The Clones since Dooku erased both planets from the archives database but Yeah, Yoda could have done a lot better

[@Lilitha11]

@@Eric6761 You know, now that I think about it, them only accepting children might of been their main issue. If they regularly accepted people with attachments into the order, they would have developed ways to help people deal with attachments and loss. Instead of trying to find ways to deal with attachments they only accepted children, hoping they would never experience any real attachments through their entire life. It sort of makes sense that they would have no real way to deal with loss, when they took such an approach.

[@SleepyKurisu]

Do we ever learn if the council ever had a idea on who they would have train Anakin like a pre thought right away before ever really thinking about it? If so I wonder who it would be

[@Henkely1405]

O I-wan was the best master Anakin could ever hoped for however the council allowed the Sith to use them in a war and clouded by their arrogance. The Jedi also lost themselves believing attachments were bad something Luke would fix in the future. Obi-wan was given an impossible task and almost succeeded

[@Henkely1405]

Also the whole Asoka thing messed anakin up after she was framed. If obi-wan was on the same planet as anakin when the emperor was discovered the presence of obi-wan would have helped him to not betray the Jedi

[@vCLOWNSHOESv]

I think it's simple. Anakin needed a father figure not a big brother.

[@jordanbranden506]

I just realized that Obi-Wan went through his Knighthood during his time on Tatooine.

[@eugenebelford9087]

Strange, he completly misses that every coin has a flip side. Obi-Wan became the Master he was because he had to train Anakin. And only Obi-Wan (the low potential master) and Luke could redeem Anakin.

[@evorbis]

amazing video 2:52 to 6:02 was the funniest slideshow of images you couldve chosen

[@timwhite5562]

You'd figure since he had all these reservations that he might do something to mitigate them. Like maybe, i don't know; not leaving his mother in bondage, so he wouldn't spend the next decade wondering what was going on with her.

[@jasondyrkacz8270]

Yoda: To the dark side thinking leads.

[@tb100020161]

I don’t usually comment, but often consume the content. Amazing video

[@Ketooey]

Luke's Jedi order would've been a great fit for Anakin, channeling his attachments so that they are a positive pathway to the lightside. But of course, that's impossible, and Luke's order might never even have come to be if the tragedy of the clone wars hadn't taken place.

[@Lilitha11]

I feel like in Luke's two weeks of training, he spent more time self reflecting than Anakin spent in his entire time in the order. I think Anakin would of been fine if he just like spent a month meditating with Yoda about his problems or something.

[@YayoHernandez-b1j]

And the stupendous wave. Please from a Star Wars fan subscriber to a Star Wars KZbinr make what if Anakin Skywalker was trained by the Force itself, his real true creator and father from birth

[@ReparationsNation]

“Illegal” Lightsaber move… And this is why the Jedi had/have the issues they had/have. NO THING is “illegal” in a fight for one’s life. 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@toatakanuva4846]

“Worst possible teacher for young Skywalker, Obi-Wan is. Do something about it, we will not. Too busy snorting death sticks, we are.”

[@EAcapuccino]

True, he defeated a Sith lord 1 v 1 But he was still a young man in his 20s and very inexperienced as a Jedi following Qui Gonns death.

[@MrEffectfilms]

The problem is that Obi-wan only wanted to train Anakin because it was Quigons literal dying wish. Quigon on the other hand genuinely believed in Anakin and wanted the best for him, he really believed he was The Chosen One and simply needed the proper guidance for him to flourish. But the biggest problem was that Obi-wan was too much of a stickler for the rules. Much like the rest of the order he was more concerned with following the letter of the law at the expense of the intent of the law. Quigon was willing to think for himself and always put the will of the Force above all else, the perfect mentor to train The Chosen One.

[@thomasparque7834]

A good deal Anakin’s fall was Obi-wan’s and council’s fault but the boy himself is largely to blame for it. Yoda should have done a better job of both honoring the wish and being more involved with Anakin’s training not just giving advance every now and then with both master and student. Anakin need a father figure yes, but he also need a brother (Obi-wan), grandfather (Yoda) and a stern yet companion uncle (Mace) figures too.

[@thomasparque7834]

Qui-gan would have better batter master and trusted the Force greatly which every Jedi should being doing but his biggest flaw that he did so much he allowed himself, the Force did not do that just Jinn himself, he allowed his faith in him to blind his long term reality. Obi-wan did a lot better job teach Anakin thinking the long term reality then Qui-gan could have.

[@thomasparque7834]

I also think Shaak Ti would have been a kind and wise secondary mother figure or at the least a really close aunt figure for Anakin.

[@chadflanaganCFC]

Obi-Wan should of left the order to train Anakin, Palpatine's grooming was only so effective because of the fact the order answered to the Senate/The Chancellor if they'd of gone rogue the more or less exile of Kenobi and Anakin would of made it far harder to manipulate Anakin without Obi-Wan himself noticing.

[@AnakinGeada]

Wasn't Yoda acting in a somewhat defiant/strong-willed manner when he decided to train Dooku? Wasn't he going against other Jedis' beliefs/instincts that Dooku was a failure/not trainable to the Jedi Order's standards? And Qui-Gin got some of that from Dooku, Obi-Wan from Qui-Gon, Anakin from Obi-Wan, Asohka from Obi-Wan, and despite Sabine already having a strong character of her own, didn't some of Asohka's defiance further rub off on her? Yoda may have been right at the end of TPM, but he also couldn't change the outcome. All their destinies were intertwined long before Anakin was even created.

[@kamenrangerzeo8251]

This just shows how much arrogance that Yoda and the old Jedi guard were. And why the force had forsaken the Jedi and allowed the sith to reign for the twenty years.

[@darkwulf23]

Yea but Yoda is right in that regard. Obiwan was too inexperienced to have a padawan like Anakin. Granted Obiwan became one of the greatest Jedi of his time, but only after the damage was done.

[@cameronhermann9400]

Given his raw power and potential everyone should have played a hand in Anakins training. Helping him channel and control his emotions, to meditate and all that

[@JustinMinckley]

I wonder who Yoda would have picked then.

[@zedbruh7212]

I appreciate that point Obi Wan probably learned more from aniken than viceverse

[@andy2200]

Question. Anakin was born with high midiclorian. The high council said he was too old to train. What would have happened if the Jedi had refused to train him?

[@warwolf88]

obi wan lacked the experience and maturity that anakin needed from a more mature and seasoned jedi like qui gon😊

[@robertstrong6798]

I guess Yoda wants to blame QI always someone else’s fault 😂

[@MonsturoCapone801]

Excellent video this is a excellent topic and reading the comments there are a ton of excellent opinions. I was thought that if Qui Gon lived it would have turned out differently as many do. I think the blame for Anakin's turn to the dark side has to fall on the Jedi council and their inability to trust Anakin and treat him as an equal. It always seemed that the would belittle him and adominish his mistakes harshly even when say Anakin saved the day. If the Jedi would have been more familial to Anakin maybe it would have turned out differently

[@Gor85]

This is completely true! Yoda had no choice. Obi-Wan would leave the Jedi. It wouldn't change much I think. Palpatine would watch. Yes,I can imagine how difficult it was for Obi-Wan. Ahsoka was crucial in victory of the Rebellion over the Empire. Ahsoka helped Anakin greatly,and Anakin her. May the Force be with you too😊

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Count Dooku or Mace Windu would have been better choices to train Anakin alongside Kenobi. Windu's grip on his own dark side would have been a very important thing to train within Skywalker

[@Gamerafighter76]

The dogma is strong with this one.

[@Randomstunts4ever]

Maybe they should of kept his mom safe so he wouldn’t be worried about her

[@williebanks1545]

In truth, as the chozen one and to help him cope with loss then they'd rotate masters with him. The opposite of a brotherly bond. Also Ashoka was assigned to Anikin to help him as well. That or Yoda knew Anikin would turn her into a legend.

[@calkestis5817]

To this day I still can’t believe no Jedi tried to free Shmi, not even Obi-Wan.

[@benfiske1]

You can't say Yoda "hated" this choice. Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering”

[@aurelcorstan5242]

With Anakin being The Chosen One, and Vader being the Sith'ari...everything went exactly the way it was supposed to.

[@kevinhansen8211]

Had the Jedi been so worried about Anakin's connection to his mother. They could have sent someone to buy her out of slavery. They could have done it, and let Anakin see and know they had done it. It would have likely bonded him to the order more completely than anything else. It would have lessened the resentment he felt for the order as a whole. He couldn't be with his mother, but he would know she was safe. Of course, that meant she wouldn't meet the Lars family, but would they have been needed had Anakin been sure of his mother's safety?

[@Roberto_Valencia]

It's a "what if Qui-Gon lived and Obiwan died instead" scenario.

[@ChristopherS-o7x]

That would be a interesting what if. What if obi-wan left the order and raised anakin to be a true jedi without palpatine in his ear?

[@TheFukkles]

The Sith (i.e. Palpatine) would simply have scooped up Anakin much sooner had the council turned him away. Maul's explicit orders were to kill the two jedi on Naboo and retrieve the boy for themselves. It's hard to tell if the Council knew this, but even the fact that the Sith revealed themselves meant that refusing someone as powerful in potential as Anakin was no longer an option. There was no winning in this situation.

[@JeremiahWiebe]

And then, if Skywalker remained in the light, he could’ve still trained star killer but I would like him to be sort of darker like mace when do or maybe even darker

[@tyrellcarter3220]

Well next train him yourself

[@LokNarash]

“Master Yoda absolutely HATED…” For someone doing a LOT of Star Wars content, this sentence should never have passed quality control.

[@JeremiahWiebe]

If he had left the order, Anakin wouldn’t have trained Soca, which I personally think would’ve been a shame

[@Youtubesucks565]

That would make for a good video, what if Yoda and the council stuck to there decision to not train Anakin, then leading to Obi Wan Kenobi training Anakin away from the Jedi, then Anakin would be not so close to Palpatine! What would that look like and what would it change!

[@MattThompson-u1r]

So then why didn’t Yoda step up and do it himself if no one was good enough?

[@danieltyson2865]

Yoga should.’ve vehemently protested the Jedi Council’s decision,for the record openly.That would’ve made them reevaluate their decision.

[@DeathScepter]

Obi wan did his best with Anakin. Remember that Anakin have a lot of baggage because his time on Tatioone wasn't a good thing for his emotions

[@JeremiahWiebe]

And that they would all live through the order of 66

[@LetsHavePun]

Personally i think Qui Gon would have been the only Jedi who could have helped Anakin. Even if the Council assigned Anakin to someone else it wouldnt have mattered. That master's teachings and methods would have been built around the Jedi methodology, which for ages had been too dogmatic and emotionally detached to help someone in Anakin's situation. Qui Gon was the only Jedi with the wisdom to see the Order's flaws and the experience to find a better way

[@jasondyrkacz8270]

Yoda could've stepped up to the plate and trained Anakin. Yoda released his book "Excuses I Have" instead.

[@darthsidius9631]

You talk about vong very rarely and even more rarely directly about them you should make dedicated videos about vong

[@Psypher169]

Well, if it wasn't for Obi Wan, Anakin would not have been trained as he kind of forced Yoda to train Anakin as per Qui-gon's last wishes and Yoda was the one to make the decision for Obi Wan to be his Master.

[@brandonadair9708]

The only Jedi (outside of Qui-Gon) that should've trained Anakin was Plo Kloon or Mace Windu

[@TrueGraveHeart]

Brass tacks here, but I really don't whoever trained Anakin outside of Qui-Gon himself would have stopped Anakin's fall to the dark side. It's been said multiple times that even Palpatine's master was afraid of Qui-Gon's stance in the force, but even Yoda was blind to their machinations. I will always believe that Palpatine fed those dreams to Anakin to invoke fear and push him to the dark side, I don't think even Yoda could have prevented that

[@thedigitalbash1506]

And yet he still allowed him to train him. Should've just told Obiwan that if the boy is to be trained it must be by a master. Yoda sees so much but does so little.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

I’ve always thought Obi-Wan was not ready to train Anakin because he was not master. This along with other things made no sense in the prequels.

[@Lilitha11]

Anakin should of straight up not been trained by such a combat focused teacher and the council should of given Obi-wan and Anakin missions that didn't involve combat. I know the jedi classes are not really cannon, but using them as an example, if Anakin was trained by jedi consular, rather than a guardian, I think it would of went better. They didn't have to train him to be a general and combat machine. It honestly seems like Palpatine did most of his non-combat training. Obi-wan and the council sure didn't seem be interested in developing his philosophy and greater world view.

[@raiderax8532]

I have arrived my lord 😤

[@stefanx2489]

It wouldn't matter who trained Anakin because, at the end of the day, the Jedi Order's dysfunction and inactivity in the galaxy put the Order on a course with obsolescence.

[@JeremiahWiebe]

If he had left the order, Anakin wouldn’t have trained Soca, which I personally think would’ve been a shame if Mason Swindell had trained Anakin I would’ve liked it if he would’ve took an a few more Padawan at the same time as Asoka

[@kingshadow8782]

Oh.

[@krusher6969]

I am in agreement with most of what was said. However, Obi-Wan was exactly the wrong choice for the boys master. Regardless of what he said about training him. Obi-Wan not having the wherewithal to train should have been overly abundant. A sage but stern master is what the boy needed.

[@GodTellsLuciferNoDogtellsRefic]

Try this again. Anakin killed kids who brought guns to school and shot up kids and adults as it were. Themselves as Party Hearst victims of Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm Syndrome: This phenomenon occurs when hostages or victims develop feelings of affection or loyalty towards their captors, sometimes even siding with them against authorities. The term originates from a bank robbery in Stockholm in 1973, where hostages began to form bonds with their captors. Patty Hearst: The granddaughter of publishing magnate William Randolph Hearst, Patty was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) in 1974. During her captivity, she began to identify with her captors and ultimately participated in criminal activities alongside them, which led to her arrest and later a highly publicized trial. Luke Skywalker Connection: Initial Captivity: In "The Empire Strikes Back," Luke Skywalker is kidnapped and trained by Obi wan while trained to kill his father a person named Anakin called an object named Vader saying the the object killed the person Anakin. Obi Wan and Yoda represent the oppressive force in the galaxy. While Luke is raised to call good evil and evil good in the traditional sense as Patty Hearst was, he is drawn into the conflict and never comes to understand the complexities of the Force and his own lineage. Emotional Manipulation: Similar to how Stockholm Syndrome can involve emotional manipulation, Luke's journey includes a degree of manipulation by those around him. His relationship with Yoda, Obi-Wan, and later even, Vader, can be seen as a complex dynamic where the mentor-student relationship includes elements of psychological struggle, allegiance, and conflict. Identification with the Enemy: By the end of "Return of the Jedi," Luke chooses to confront, Vader and the Emperor, representing the ideas of Luke's Jedi captors or oppressors. In this light, Anakin has moments of conflicted loyalty: to his son versus the Stockholm syndrome of his son, who is calling evil good and good evil. In summary, the psychological undercurrents of loyalty, manipulation, and eventual defiance present some thematic similarities. Rather than being fully captive, Luke navigates a complex emotional and moral landscape. Anakin met force with force and only attacked after their first strike meeting deadly force with deadly force. They objectified Anakin as an object called Vader saying the objectified Vader killed the person named Anakin who was not dead just objectified as Vader or Father. They built a death Star attempting to have Anakin blow up a daughter who. they did not tell him was still alive after they kidnapped his kids and called them dead all the while telling the kids their father, a person namec Anakin, was dead and was killed by an objectified Anakin called Vader or Father. While themselves having burned Anakin alive without trial and leaving him for dead saying he killed Padme despite doctor finding nothing medically wrong with Padme. This brings forth a complex narrative that delves into themes of identity, objectification, and trauma, especially in how he is perceived and how he perceives himself. Anakin vs. Vader: Anakin Skywalker’s a person (the Jedi objectified as an evil object) who had obeyed law while false objectified as unlawful Darth Vader (or Dark Father) and can be seen as a process of objectification. The emotional and psychological toll of being betrayed by the Jedi as unlawful evil for calling good good and evil evil and losing his loved ones leads to the treating his person as an object called "Father" or "Vader." As this false objectified identity strips the law abiding person named Anakin’s humanity and past relationships, reducing him to a figure of fear and power. This mirrors the concept of Stockholm syndrome, where a victim (in this case, Anakin) is rendered as the property of external forces (the Emperor and the Jedi) who manipulate and control him. The Jedi, particularly after the events that led Anakin to become Vader, painted a narrative where Anakin was perceived as a threat. They objectified him as a villain rather than recognizing his grief and internal struggles. This reflects a form of emotional manipulation that led to Anakin becoming entrenched between two evil sides, akin to a victim refusing to identify with their captors the way his son Luke did. The tragic twists of the story-where Anakin’s children, Luke and Leia, were lied upon and called dead and told the law abiding person who was their father and very much alive after being burned alive without trial by their Jedi captors; especially, Obi Wan and both told, each the other, was dead by a law breaking Jedi who called evil object Vader killed by the person Anakin whom Jedi called dead and where significant truths about their lives were hidden-playing into the layers of deception that led both Anakin and Luke into troubled paths. Luke, raised with an incomplete understanding of his own lineage, and in many ways, both were byproducts of the objectification and manipulation surrounding Anakin’s betrayal by unlawful Jedi calling evil good and good evil.. When Stockholm syndrome Patty Hearst like Luke confronts his objectified father, Luke too objectifies the person Anakin who broke no law The narrative of objectification persists as Luke learns that the person he faces, Vader, is a shell of the man who was always his law abiding person and his very much alive father. This speaks to the trauma passed down through generations-Luke battles not just an Jedi enemy, but the internalized conflict that arises from the Jedi choices and the allegiance he is forced to take in the face of the Jedi tyranny. In "Return of the Jedi," Luke’s confrontation with Vader as an unlawful object and not as a law abiding person serves as a culmination of both characters’ struggles against objectification and manipulation. Luke can’t see through the Rorschach test of the mask and ultimately believes in Anakin's humanity which was always there despite Luke's Patty Hearst like Stockholm syndrome leading to his Luke's deception by the Jedi. This reflects not only an acceptance of the false objectification of his lawful father alive falsely identified as a living object called "Father" or "Vader" but also a never overcoming the lost relationship-the failure to recognize the falsehood of their objectification of the law abiding person named Anakin who was never the object called "Father" or "Vader". In summary, Luke’s journey was framed through themes of psychological captivity and identity loss and trauma that is central to law abiding person Anakin/law breaking object Vader's false narrative made up by criminal Jedis. This framing highlights the interplay between victim and captor, the complexity of identity, and the potential for a lack of redemption against a backdrop of manipulation and objectification, ultimately emphasizing the loss of the resilience of personal identity due to the oppressive forces. Yoda didn't want to train Anakin because he called good good and evil evil and they called good evil and evil good. If he faced slaves and slavers he would call slaver's evil and not good. Yoda and the Jedi are the scared slave traders.

[@SingleTax]

It was obvious Qui-Gon's dying wish was merely for Anakin to be trained. Does anyone think he would have objected if the Order had instead granted Plo Koon permission to train him?

[@DrankenDune]

Honestly I think Mace would’ve been a good master for him. He had a better understanding of negative emotions and how to deal with them. Obi-wan drank the Jedi juice though, suppress and ignore. The negatives from Mace would be this though. I don’t think he has the necessary patience to deal with someone as opinionated as Anakin. So it could drive him out of the order entirely. I dunno, I think there’s very few people who could train him properly. Especially with Palpatine meddling.

[@anthonyp6896]

That's a problem with the Jedi order they're trying to train robots these are these are people that have emotions and feelings

[@okamireader5]

What if... the Jedi Council had agreed to permit Anakin to be trained as a Jedi, but _not_ by Obi-wan? What if they had instead decided to separate them and assign _another_ Jedi to serve as Anakin's master?

[@BDH5270]

Yoda could've chosen any master to train Anakin, but y'know what? He chose Obi-Wan. Could've chosen Mundi, Windu, Plo Kloon, Secura, Kit Fisto... You know any of those jedi masters who controlled and accepted their emotions, but no, emotionally compromised Obi-Wan will do.

[@JON-EL74]

Anakin was meant to be exactly what the Force had intended him to be. Due to the manipulative tactics of Pleagus, and Sidious' actions. Everything played out as it was meant to be. We can what if under the sun all day long, the Force ultimately decided the fate of the galaxies structure by allowing Anakin to be the best of both orders, and the destruction of them bringing Balance back to order.

5:35 yoda u could've just said ill do it ill train the boy who WOULD ARGUE WITH HIM!?!? Doesnt seem like he did much to stop anakin from turning to the dark side

[@NightBane345]

I'm kind of curious, if this lore is either Star Wars Legends, or Disney lore

[@Rickil96trollencio]

Also obi wan said that anakin was dangerous, in his face 💀

[@JeremiahWiebe]

I kind of wish that Mace Windell had trained him instead

[@ProphetOfDoubt]

Was this before or after the damage was already done 💀

[@tarikshell9719]

Had Qui-gon lived order 66 would have never happened

[@vitorpereira9515]

A'sharad Hett would be a good master for Anakin. Like Anakin he had a life before the Jedi.

[@maofria1452]

Both became darths. Maybe training only children was the right decision most of the cases.

[@vitorpereira9515]

@@maofria1452 Luke's students weren't children. Streen was the oldest of the group, he even trained a witch of dathomir, and all of them became jedi.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Facts spoken , I can agree with this pointer here ✅ There were many Jedi in that school who were more Maverick in nature & would have been suited more to train someone like Anakin more effectively than that silly Jedi Council's prior choices & picks in a person like "Obi-Wan" for E.g.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Not in Disney star wars

[@Abandonsoyciety]

​@@maofria1452really then explain how Like became a Jedi? Lol did you even watch the movies. Imthe older the student the wiser the master must be, Yoda can teach anyone, obi wan cannot.

[@carlosgarza400]

I think more Jedi would've survived if the duo left the order

[@hgtrftfr]

Anakin and Luke are the only Jedi (clone wars and beyond) that needed multiple jedi masters, that's my honest belief

[@lm4733]

lol I’m of the mind set that no matter if it was Qui-gon or Obi-Wan, Anakin would have still turned out the way he did. Don’t know why people swear he would have turned out any different if qui-gon trained him. His mother still wasn’t freed and that attachment doesn’t just disappear because he has a different master. Hell, I’d argue down the line there would have been friction between the two when you consider that it was Qui-gon decision to leave Shmi on tattoine. He was all about following the will of the force so I don’t see how him surviving Naboo changes anakins fate.

[@calkestis5817]

I think Qui-Gon did have plans to free her. What I don’t understand is why none of the Jedis bothered, not even Obi-Wan.

[@lm4733]

@@calkestis5817 that’s wishful thinking. When anakin asked him if she was coming he flat out said no and we know the Jedi as a whole don’t intervene when it comes to slavery in the galaxy as a whole. That’s not on Obi-wan but the Jedi as a whole. This notion that Qui-gon was this compassionate Jedi is just false, he just didn’t buy into the way the Jedi council blindly served the republic rather than following the will of the force.

[@ceresbane]

So lets say the jedi never trained anakin. You now have a powerful force user that could wield immense power without the guidance of trained force users and could achieve immense cataclysms by failing to control this power. And this is on the assumption that the Sith wouldn't merely grab him as Sidious did indeed grab Maul at a young age and raised him to be sith. As opposed to the usual tactic of tempting Jedi to fall.

[@IZzoSoCool]

I think Plo Koon would have been a good master for Anakin

[@davidjacobs7465]

While I agree with Yoda about this matter, he did not suggest a substitude. Plo Koon might have been the best option.

[@GPatrick137]

Why wouldn't they free his mother ? That would motivate him and ease his anxiety

[@bebejemzy1090]

He wasn't the worst choice to train Anakin, not the best either, but still better than most of the other Jedi.

[@JeremiahWiebe]

Force wise

[@wtfamiactuallyright1823]

Obi and Jin were right and Joda etc should have helped as much as possible. Anakin's fall to the dark side was Palp's and Anakin's fault but, the failing of the Jedi order was to be so open to that form of attack. Yoda said himself, too sure of themselves = bloody arrogant.

[@williehughes1690]

Personally, I wonder who Yoda would've picked to be Anakin's master if they didn't let Obi-Wan train him. Personally, besides the Ashoka side of things, I still think Obi-Wan wasn't the right fit for Anakin.

[@vangnguyen9660]

Do anyone know of a good Star wars book to read

[@Scoobydcs]

Yoda can hate? Wait WHAT?!!

[@rimaco196]

Who would Yoda approve or think best suited to train Anakin? Assuming he would have followed the dying wish that Anakin be trained.