we NEED to talk about matty healy + taylor swift 🚨 😵‍💫 🆘

[@alisondawnsmith]

My husband is trying sooooooooo hard right now to pretend he isn't paying attention to this video and loving it

[@mayara.design]

HAHAHAHAHAHA I SO RELATE TO THIS COMMENT

[@jacidel]

I love this

[@nikik.8761]

LMAOOO if that aint my roomate rn

[@theswiftologist]

come on in mr dawnsmith ..... enjoy the ride ....

[@txtort1]

😂😂

[@panther411]

You understanding that something can be real and PR at the same time is why you’re my favorite Taylor Swift creator. Is she having a very real rebound hook up? For sure! Did her team leak the story and fake the detail about him coming on stage to make sure all eyes were on that show for the Speak Now announcement? Absolutely!

[@km692]

This is why I love these videos, his ability to capture all the nuances of various situations when the norm on the internet seems to be that everything is black or white

[@Kpup]

Let's face it, I was hooked from the beginning but that was the part that had me jumping out of my seat like YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS THIS.

[@causeimnachoprincess]

zack: Please respectful to all parties involved also zack: The wax man, the complete nothing, the heirloom turkey, Joe Alwyn

[@ashleyc7095]

That's why we love him 😂

[@theswiftologist]

I contain multitudes....

[@mr.icecream7880]

The wax man😂😂

[@jiminsbabo2614]

Don't forget the smelly unwashed man

[@m.a.3322]

heirloom turkey 😭😭😭😭

[@rasamusic2000]

PEARL CLUTCHING?!?!?! NOT YOU PREDICTING THE LYRICS TO BUT DADDY I LOVE HIM

[@loisebertulfo]

Her dating a sleezy effboy 3months after her 6 year relationship is the most relatable thing she's ever done 😅

[@taylor.adalyn]

Taylor was so inspired by this video that she made the Fortnight music video based on Zack saying: "this is mental illness"

[@muskaan3711]

Lmao

[@thereadingsylph]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MellissaJbritt]

Rewatching this after everything and this comment just slayed me 🤣

[@Ana-yh8ek]

As a Swiftie AND a 1975 girlie, I can confirm that Matty doesn't give a shit about PR, so if it looks like they are dating, THEY ARE.

[@LPloppG]

It's good getting the perspective of 1975 fans as someone who doesn't know anything about them. I've already followed a few on Twitter to keep up lol

[@alexred829]

@@LPloppG matty said that ice spice is a chubby Chinese lady, offended asians and offended Muslims and jews. he literally did a nazi salute at the concert

[@lauryn.online]

@@alexred829RIGHT like how could taylor just overlook all of that???

[@aquabonsu1]

@@alexred829 Please provide context. Esp the Nazi salut, he was dissing Kanye and saying he is a Nazi. Dont be those people who consume content on Tiktok and call it news.

[@happynealltdpolly]

he also dated 17 old before….

[@AugustSlippedAway15]

I’m convinced Taylor needs to hire you for her PR team

[@nikik.8761]

oh definitely. zach knows the hbic better than she knows herself

[@brookes1483]

I was thinking this all the way through!

[@guille2196]

The way this is so true lol

[@elephant1871]

Fr

[@shannanbeaulieu]

YEESS! Most Definitely. It’s almost like Zach has ESP?

[@mollymccracken2740]

I think that she’s been writing an awful lot about cheating in Folklore, Evermore, and Midnights for her to not have cheated at some point. I assumed it was a Calvin Harris/Joe thing. But now. But now. And with rumors about how her and Joe had multiple breakups, I’m rethinking many songs, all the way back to Lover. She’s prepping us for the mess in her announcement about Speak Now. She’s saying she’s going to be messy by detailing the bluntness and “flailing” lyrics of the album. She references Dear Reader which is a song about “I shouldn’t be your idol, I’m not going to be a reliable narrator.” I think it’s going to show in what she does and the media perception of her this summer.

[@alterego1121]

SAME. I’m rethinking ivy, illicit affairs and heck even cowboy like me

[@boseiyt2492]

Girlie is not exactly the faithful type.. I’m even surprised Joe Alwyn was able to keep her for awhile.. She sure has a wandering eye.

[@harls3337]

Tbh (im a new swiftie so don’t attack me) I think the songs are about joe cheating.

[@lenapenrhyn2173]

i mean idk about midnights but remember that folklore and evermore are meant to be "stories" and the songs are kind of a blend of fiction and personal experiences, i'd say. so we don't know what's real or not, if there was cheating, if so who was cheating etc. so i think we have to be careful about using those songs as evidence

[@Gigi-ud4mz]

@@lenapenrhyn2173 Listen really carefully to "Gold rush" 😂😂

[@daniellaperez3846]

I just want to add that when I was at her show in Houston April 23rd, she said something that a lot of people did not really pay attention to. When she was talking about folklore and evermore, she mentioned the pandemic. I will quote what she said. "COVID was a very sad and lonely time for people. Including me. This loneliness made a lot of people get into a lot of trouble. There was lots of lying being done, I know I sure did." Take that as you will 🤭

[@redwineandagingerale]

she said what now?? omg

[@f.h.7671]

thanks for sharing this with us

[@carinateske6261]

"Koi fish died and that's Taylor Swift's fault." Amazing, I live for your commentary hahaha

[@nishthagupta1357]

Ikr same😂😂

[@theswiftologist]

lmfao

[@Soulill0quy]

Taylor Swift truly is content brained. Years of experience in the limelight and having honed media training, she’s really unstoppable at this point.

[@theswiftologist]

REAL

[@miss_bougie6653]

A media Genius! She always outplays them and I love it for her

[@judithryle2113]

Can’t stand her

[@monimoo88]

Oh and to be fair we can’t say “Taylor can’t be responsible for the words and actions of some man.” Then blame joe for Taylor making the decision to self isolate with him. It was her choice. She’s a grown woman and she chose to make a sacrifice for someone she loved. Let’s hold her accountable and stop blaming Joe. He may have asked for privacy but ultimately it was her choice to agree. I’m so sick of this narrative that joe is at fault for her choosing to go private..

[@liste302]

THIS, I'm also surprised when and why Swifties started to hate on Joe... He was literally unproblematic af, the articles all said that they split amicably and seeing how Swifties treat Matty right now, I can 1000% understand why he didn't want to be in the spotlight with her...

[@monimoo88]

@@m.m.6670 exactly. I just keep seeing it on all sm platforms and it’s so wrong. She’s an adult let’s treat her like one.

[@sociallyenginerd8846]

They split amicably according to everything publicly out there. Mutual break-ups happen. Sometimes you try new things, make compromises, etc. and they end up being wrong for you. The thought of blaming someone for a relationship not working out (not even a marriage) when there's no abuse or personal stakes feels....weird.

[@michellereyna8671]

One of the things that was def weird and disappointing abt Joe was his lack of public affection for her

[@moonie2770]

Yess exactly! People really forgot how Joe was with her during her worst times.

[@EmilyGroceJ]

Cardigan being about Matty when Joe helped write Betty is actually sending me.

[@lucciqs]

WAIT

[@mkaeganhalll]

hold the phone

[@krishnavyas313]

I think willow is also for Matty.

[@twobluestripes]

So the whole “this song is about you” thing: it does seem to me that Taylor sometimes takes one song she previously wrote inspired by one man or relationship, and almost VISIBLY applies the song and the feeling it captured to her present situation. The thing that made me think this was the times she pointed to Joe in the audience while singing Love Story or whatever. And people seem to be retconning Midnights songs that very easily apply to past relationships/breakups to apply to Joe, and while I don’t think any do apply to Joe, I think she may now be applying ANY of her breakup songs to her present breakup. So basically, a song becomes about someone for her even though it wasn’t written for them. In the future it may feel like it’s about both of them, or a new person. So Cardigan doesn’t have to have been written for Matty Healy for her to decide it’s about him now.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Fair point!!

[@madwoman_at.thelakes]

Exactly. I believe the trilogy truly was fictional, written while she was cozied up with Joe during quarantine. I think she grew to feel like a cardigan under Joe's bed and Matty put her on and said she was his favorite, so she dedicated it to him.

[@gelifilms]

U R CORRECT AND I LOVE THIS THANK YOU

[@sagemckenzie]

@@madwoman_at.thelakes EXACTLY

[@sagemckenzie]

@@madwoman_at.thelakes EXACTLY

[@britaniihoeche6258]

“I think it will end amicably” LMAO that did not age well my friend 😂😂😂 but what we got from it was pure gold

[@AllySheehan]

I have a friend in the industry and they have been together so much longer than we initially thought

[@theswiftologist]

girlie we're gonna need that info STAT!

[@mja1569]

no idea if I'm close but based on the hints he was dropping at shows I'd say late february...(?)

[@kianna270]

Honestly I figured. I assumed her ans Joe broke up awhile ago & that the news really broke due to not seeing joe at her shows .

[@katiesays]

I think that’s why she leaked the breakup to the press. Because she knew he was coming to shows and they’d be photographed together. Makes sense.

[@shachi9495]

I'm telling you the breakup happened even before Midnights came out

[@jdhs12394]

Love how you said "I don't think it's going to end badly" now that we have the hindsight of TTPD

[@purplebutterfly314]

I always thought that super private Taylor wouldn't last. She didn't disappear at first because she truly wanted to and was tired of the spotlight, she went away because she got cancelled and felt that everyone hated her. After she survived the cancellation I think she only kept a low profile because that's what Joe wanted and because of the pandemic; even in interviews she was always a lot more willing to talk about him than he was about her. Her personality was always bubbly and extroverted so it was a matter of time before blondie went off the rails and had another chaotic relationship in front of all of us 😭😂

[@jaded6530]

"The next step is them being pictured together." AND HOURS AFTER THIS CAME OUT.

[@theswiftologist]

I'm the mf oracle

[@berryrl9]

Tay is clichè 😂

[@tayter_chip]

1. You look so good 2. Blondie needs you on her PR team IMMEDIATELY 3. You are feeding us with so many videos in one week!! 👑

[@MermaidCore_]

Aaaaallllllll of this 👆🏻

[@devirene4]

It’s almost like Taylor watched this video and wrote “But Daddy I love him” 😂

[@LaurenWatkins2122]

“The koi fish died, they died” 😂😂😂 you are fucking hilarious 😂😂

[@tzking7640]

I'm a Swiftie and as much as we love Taylor, let's not hate Joe too. It's just kind of hypocrisy to hate him and shit on him in a blink of an eye.

[@acccmtdao6377]

heh all this time I've been thinking Joe and Taytay isn't rreally a match so its a win to me

[@diannakaplan8853]

I agree with this 100%.He was adored by Swifts practically immediately. However they wanted to keep this relationship hush hush. Be careful what you wish for because shortly after the pandemic began. The did live in a bubble, however Joe had a movie and Hulu show so ot total bible. They even wrote songs together. Seemed like.soul mates. Then out of nowhere Taylor's on her Era's Tour and she and Joe part ways for a guy she new previously. I feel a bit like he was the victim, although nobody is perfect. I wonder if we will be getting more #drunk( possibly high) moments if this relationship lasts. That is not an insult by any means.

[@michellechaneldungo7370]

​@@diannakaplan8853a comment from an avid fan I read before says that Tay and Matt were friends since 2014 😮

[@chemtrails1989]

This is so real. They literally forget that it's JOE that supported her when the world is cancelling TAYLOR.

[@prep_girl]

what the person said above me! he literally supported her through when her reputation was the WORST. he legitimately loved her, with the relationship lasting 6 years! if i’m correct, that’s her longest lasting relationship… i definitely dont want ANYONE shit talking him, especially for how long he’s been supporting her. we don’t even know the full story, too. like.. it could all be neutral and they just decided they were better off as friends.

[@yuki_tsukumo..]

I’m just excited for whatever music that could and may possible come about with both of them tbh. They both are extremely talented with what they do and I’m ready for it.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Right!!! Like the closest comparison to Matty I can think of is harry and the music from that omigoodness

[@theswiftologist]

tea

[@aseriesofsneaks]

@@Labyrinthine_Complexities I'm totally imagining Taylor writing her own "Silver Springs" now and staring him down while performing it, a la the infamous performance from 'The Dance'.

[@rebelyellmeh]

i'm too impatient for this i can't wait 2 years to get breakup songs and matty healy love songs they need to get to work asap

[@risvill9349]

@@meghansullivan6812 lol the 1975 music >>> harry

[@PrincessRamsha999]

Ah, your articulate common sense is such a breath of fresh air in this deluge of screaming, crying and throwing up. Honestly there's one major thing that really convinces me this is true. It's that after all this time, a six-year committed relationship, and having basically worked wonders to painstakingly change her "serial dater" reputation, Taylor stands to gain nothing from being romantically linked to Matty. The only explanation for this so soon after the Jaylor breakup announcement is that it's real. What does she get from being publicly linked to someone like Matty at this point in her career? When everybody was finally rooting for her to be hot and single again? When she already has as much indie cred as she would need via Aaron Dessner and The National? When this could potentially destroy all the goodwill she's earned as a "committed girlfriend" from the misogynistic media over the past 6 years? When he's not Harry Styles or Tom Hiddleston or any of those fantasy-boyfriend Brits who would be a way more understandable fit publicity-wise? Nah, our girl's messy, and we should learn to love her for it after 6 relatively clean years.

[@Jujudeze22]

Yep. Good for her. I’m in a long term Joe like relationship, I won’t tldr we have kids, it’s complicated. I need a getaway car myself some days. Get it girl. Get your spark on.

[@kayleecallister6881]

I’m definitely starting to believe that Bejeweled is about Joe (with the locking the basement and everything) Especially because she is back and we see her all over the place lately! 1989 era what? Deja vu? And who did she meet at the end of the 1989 era? I love these breakdowns of what is currently happening in the Swift Universe and it helps me to understand and accept and enjoy the ride 😂😂

[@ValerieJacksonBB]

I want to thank you for having some sane takes on the whole situation. Too many people are absolutely freaking out and not appreciating how truly hilarious and fun this is 😂😂

[@ellehampton8804]

Considering that Taylor was so rarely seen going out and now she’s being seen going to dinner and being out and about. Makes me think for sure that Bejeweled is about Joe and how she had to hide away in order to be with him. “And by the way, I’m going out tonight.”

[@sylviasherly3043]

OMG so true

[@kianna270]

Makes sense tbh.I was never really a swiftie but Bc she’s huge you end up hearing about her anyways 🤣 but I didn’t even know she was in a 7 year relationship until they broke up!! That just shows you how quiet she was during this relationship.

[@ci7960]

As a Taylor Swift and 1975 fan, waking up on Thursday felt like a fever dream and has ever since

[@brokenrealities513]

i am not a matt healy fan but you know maybe i am wrong. maybe i have reached the final stage of grief and maybe im beginning to accept. 1) we'll get cool music 2) maybe we'll get tea 3) maybe this will broaden taylor's horizons to more different individuals 4) maybe they'll end up being very iconic. taylor is a messy queen and i love it so i guess the ship is approaching and maybe i'm about to get on board

[@sacredsunflower8930]

Can’t wait for the next album already 😳🤪😝🤓🧐🙃🤗

[@Swiftiebooklover7]

I would have supported them together but matty healey literally said in an interview that dating Taylor Swift would be emasculating. Like are we really going to support that?

[@0min]

@@Swiftiebooklover7 That was ten years ago. 😂

[@prep_girl]

wait, but i thought he was a racist?? like, i’ve seen a lot of people say that about him

[@brokenrealities513]

@@prep_girl again, i said maybe. i truly no nothing about this man. maybe he is a racist. celebrities are not my moral compass though so i don't care either way.

[@RyanStorey1231]

Taylor truly has a wonderful time ruining everything 💜 But for real, I think what we're seeing right now is that Taylor has felt very sequestered by her relationship with Joe (as much as she did love him), and now she's basically going to spend the next year losing her fucking mind and being extremely wild and messy. I also think while she will always be that person who needs to have a firm control on her public persona, she also wants the freedom to be a little wild. And dating someone like Matty Healy, it just makes sense in that way. I just referenced The Last Great American Dynasty, and it's solely because I truly think she's embodying the wild and messy life of Rebecca Harkness - now probably more than ever.

[@lkcullen1918]

Rebekah did once marry a photographer just because she "had nothing else to do". So I love that

[@meghansullivan6812]

Her Sagittarius self is popping off and I love it

[@lkcullen1918]

@@Labyrinthine_Complexities fyi The "biological clock" is only a metaphor used to describe the sense of pressure many people feel to get pregnant while they're at the peak of their reproductive years. While the "biological clock" refers to the limited amount of eggs women are born with, "feeling it" is just social pressure to have kids. So it's not really...y'know... a thing like you're thinking it is. Hopefully that made sense lol, I tried.

[@snowfoxxie]

I hope she eats all of them for dinner. 😂 bio clock thing should be dead. Sick of misogynistic bs. She is a queen.

[@Raelven]

​​@@lkcullen1918 Respectfully disagree. Biological clock is also code for ageing and the inevitable decline in the things of youth: sparkling gowns, strong makeup, very late nights, and serial dating, along with eventual desirability and vampy sexiness. Gravity and vanity meet, sooner or later. That's another form of a biological clock ticking.

[@lyric-dawn]

Do you think it’s relevant that her aesthetic for releasing midnights (midnights mayhem) was very 1975? Wood panel walls, velour curtains, crochet top, corduroy pants… Also, it’s one thing to keep the relationship itself private, it’s another to literally never in 6 years walk a carpet together, even when you both attend the same event. That can’t be sustainable. I could see how at first it was nice to have some privacy surrounding the relationship, but eventually the lack of doing anything at all together that is pretty much normal in their professions started to seem just weird. Totally where my mind went when I first heard bejeweled.

[@olivia8465]

There’s nothing blondie loves more than adopting the aesthetic of her mans 😂

[@bammmitsrachel]

completely agree. i think if they were "average" people like the rest of us, i could see them going long term but they aren't. i think she loves the limelight and he wants to be as "average" as he can. when she went into hiding before Rep, this was the best of both worlds for them. he was in his element and she needed the privacy. i think she really wanted the privacy too, then the pandemic happened and they were both in that bubble again. im actually convinced Sweet Nothing was written during that time ("cause they said the end is coming.") i think there was a shift where she realized she actually wants the attention and doesn't actually care about being private. maybe some things she would want private but i'm sure she'd want to go to events and walk carpets with her person. she decided her fame was more important and that's where Midnight Rain came from. i think they both realized they didn't want to compromise the public eye part of their relationship and that's totally okay. when she told everyone she is the happiest she has ever been, i think she feels FREE

[@thepieguypdx7780]

yeah she was already hitting that back during the release of midnights fs😅

[@shachi9495]

That's actually a very interesting take on Bejeweled. I think that they probably broke up up before Midnights even came out and just wanted to keep it private, but eventually the news leaked

[@lyric-dawn]

@@shachi9495 I’m beginning to think that as well….

[@katrinagoldsmith578]

Listening to this in July 2024 and I am convinced Taylor watches these videos. I mean, Swiftologist says "how does it end?" and Taylor writes "How did it end" its just bazaar!

[@yaknowamsayin]

Not only that but “pearl clutching” 💀

[@LI-vt2kf]

So true! Just waiting for her to use „heirloom turkey“ in a song. THEN we know for sure lol

[@HaleyJeanASMR]

your takes are SOOO good. seriously. living for messy Taylor!

[@theswiftologist]

Omg I love your videos! ❤️

[@kiravre1423]

Yeah, Glitch hits different. That 2,190 days of black out is literally 6 years. Her relationship with Joe maybe really isn't meant to last but somehow there's a glitch

[@FeLiz-zu5we]

and 'the system's breaking down'?

[@kiravre1423]

@@FeLiz-zu5we Like Zach said, it was a disillusionment of a relationship.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Wooooowwww! She REALLY got us all to look the other way and pretty much only analyze past relationships for midnights. Slipped all these more negative or telling songs right past us!!

[@kiravre1423]

@@meghansullivan6812 She's a mastermind!

[@nadiaborysyk]

Does anyone remember when Taylor went to The 1975 concert back in 2014 and Matt Healy pointed to her while singing "I think I'm falling, I'm falling for you"? Seems like this romance has been in the works for a while, so Glitch totally makes sense

[@sophiez-pk9wk]

I really like how you mention all of these things (flings, diversions, and PR relationships) can all be real at once. That is a really good take and something I never considered before this video

You are crazy smart and perceptive. Like holy shit, watching this a year later and I’m even more impressed. 👏🏼

[@lostandfawned]

Can we also comment on how clean and presentable he looked on Saturday in the tent with Gigi and Abigail? It was like he was nervous Scott swift or Tree was going to pop up at any moment. Maybe he knows he batting way out of his league here and he’s trying to step up. Or he got a major Tree Pain spanking about how this is going work. Also I was living for him dancing and singing and engaging with fans at Friday and Saturday. Joe would NEVER.

[@faeriecat444]

right!! it was so cute to see him dancing to shake it off ngl 😭😭

[@madwoman_at.thelakes]

I noticed him conspicuously wearing a buttoned-down shirt and slacks, like he's at an office party. No one wears that to a TS concert (OK, maybe her dad or her manager) unless they're dressed as The Man. Or unless you're a bad boy trying to hide your tattoos and appear more presentable to your good-girl girlfriend's crowd.

[@lils7818]

@@madwoman_at.thelakes From what we have seen, that’s just the way he dresses. Even at the beach or on a boat 😂

[@km692]

@@madwoman_at.thelakes that’s literally his uniform, he wears it everyday

[@madwoman_at.thelakes]

@@km692 Ah OK, the pictures I've seen of him onstage were opened shirt with tattoos on display, so I didn't realize. Strange uniform for a bad boy, but maybe he thrives on the dichotomy.

[@JennyDavies153]

Its either going to be the greatest love story of our time or its going to go down in flames but I’m ready for it.

[@aczannoy]

Best Comment

[@august-bl1jh]

YOU KNKW THE GREATEST LOVES OF ALL TIME ARE (WILL BE) OBER NOW

[@MermaidCore_]

She had a blank space, baby…

[@drpeppercowboy]

blank space babyyyy

[@the.lbd.diaries]

You mean ...Ready For It? I see what you did there 😅

[@hankah5836]

Last 3 weeks on this channel is literaly just spilling the tea and I'm here for it!! ❤☕☕

[@climbinguphill]

So yesterdays Nashville show, Matty Healy performed with Phoebe Bridgers. Also before Betty she said “this is how you propose, it’s really not that hard” referring to Love story and how she likes to explain how men should do things through songs👀

[@sudenazdemir2363]

Wait, did he really performed in the eras tour? I never saw that, its crazy

[@katiesversion13]

@@sudenazdemir2363 he didn’t perform with taylor but he performed with phoebe in the opening act

[@MissAngelicaRae]

She actually said this at the Houston show as well ~ the proposal bit

[@frappes_]

Flying from Manila, Philippines (Literally infested with Swifties oh my fucking God) all the way to Nashville is actually so insane it makes it believable for me,

[@Ja79X]

You know there's tea when the Swiftologist post two videos two days in a row

[@brittanyr9471]

Honestly, aside from drumming up publicity I wonder if this was actually her being kind to Joe in away. Rumors swirling about him cheating, his costar getting attacked, and that photo of him? He was not doing well. He's also as we know notoriously private. So maybe this was her attempt to give him some peace and redirect the attention to her and see Joe in a better light (because Joe or Matty? Who looks better? )

[@gardengorl]

Your skin certainly isn’t giving crisis though. it’s giving ✨gorgeous glow ✨

[@brittanyhogue217]

ttpd proving Zack was 💯 on point. He said "this could be nothing but love. And mental illness...." 😂

[@rabbitqueen7075]

The way I see it, Taylor is living it up in the sunlight with a man who is publicly celebrating her talent and genius, and Taylor was hungry for that respect from a man when she was dating Calvin, probably long before. Let's be real, Taylor will always be the star in the relationship, Matty seems like a man who is in awe of her and is not just willing but HAPPY to let her be that star.

[@rabbitqueen7075]

Basically, I think Matty respects her, like truly respects her. And in a world where men's egos are tragically fragile, that is not something you just pass up. Don't underestimate how hard it is to love when you're a successful woman. If you ever see an instance of Matty disrespecting Taylor, that relationship will be over in the blink of an eye.

[@meghansullivan6812]

Also he’s gotta be so sufficiently secure in his career and success by now so there’d hopefully be like no weird tension or competition!

[@amberhyland]

Taylor has literally made it so completely obvious that she enjoys fame and always wanted it. How the heck anyone could have anticipated it would work out with Joe who seemingly wants the total antithesis of that is beyond me. Listening to Afterglow kinda makes me feel weird about their relationship tbh

[@alexlefay]

After the TTPD leaks this video hurts. I always had the feeling that Taylor REALLY wanted the Matty thing to work and it looks like he bolted because of the fans. That has to sting.

[@Donna-C]

TTPD is out now and the Long History between Taylor & Matty unfolds and so does the Joe relationship timeline. TTPD also makes Taylor’s entire discography be re-examined. Re-visiting this video 👏

[@daisysversion2931]

As a huge fan of The 1975, Matty Healy and Taylor Swift, just the idea of this relationship happening is so wild to me 😭😭

[@judithryle2113]

🤢🤮

[@claryy8]

2 Swiftologist videos back to back? We are being fed! 🫶🏻🐍

[@shakiragoofygal]

3

[@shaicowan]

REAL

[@valentinagelatina]

taylor is feeding us

[@jonasreich3607]

​@@valentinagelatina Zack can't keep up

[@wendizombie]

I honestly, with my whole heart, believe that Joe and Taylor were broken up prior to the release of Midnights. There are some songs in there that strongly suggest a demise of a relationship. She knew she was going on tour, and I think she and her PR team decided to wait to announce the breakup until a few weeks into the tour.

[@80amyrn]

This, I felt like Bejeweled was about Joe from day one, the 'privacy' = 'the basement.' She is polishing up REAL *NICE* and I love it for her (and us.)

[@moose3005]

But what about Levander haze? She released that video explaining the meaning of it and referred her relationship of 6years…

[@wendizombie]

@Vera Tucci Well, the words in that song are absolutely how she was feeling at the time her relationship was wonderful and magical. We all know that Tay Tay can hold a secret well and blindside us all. We may never know. You should listen to Bejeweled (I'm sure you already have) now that the break up has been verified. It's really quite telling.

[@rightwhereyouleftme__]

People are being SO nasty on twitter and reddit. I'm seeing people say they will unstan if it's true. I didn't believe it at first, even though I love the 1975's music. I don't find Matty that attractive but I don't really care if they're together. I'm feeling my hackles get up wanting to defend her but I have to remember that these people are chronically online and this will likely have no effect on her in real life. If Taylor is having an insane rebound then good for her. Sometimes you need to be a bit of a mess after a long relationship!

[@meghansullivan6812]

People are so weird hahahahaha wtf unstanning her? Some swifties are sooooo intense

[@katie-rr9gl]

Most of the backlash is coming from him being super problematic which is understandable cause her team as portrayed her as this martyr type of celebrity that fight's against homophobia,white supremacy etc so her dating this man who has a fine history of being homophobic,racist, misogynistic would obviously raise some eyebrows I mean this is not simply coming from a casual listener i fell in love with Taylors music a very long time ago but her personality is one of the main reasons I still to this day adore her but I'm very disappointed with this choice of her I mean i know it's her life and I shouldn't have expectations for a complete stranger but it's still upsetting that she's going out with someone that's super duper problematic like him

[@rightwhereyouleftme__]

@katie123 super duper problematic 🙄 Matty Healy is a bit of a pretentious wanker who puts his foot in his mouth way too often but this just sounds like regurgitated twitter speak. You can hate Matty all you want. He definitely has qualities that have made him unlikable, but he's just a dumb man trying to be edgy most of the time. He's not a fucking nazi, pedophile, homophobe like i keep seeing people say. If you wanna criticise him for making bad faith jokes and potentially upsetting people by all means. But seriously, stop. Also, may I remind you all Taylor has been friends with him for AGES?! Performing at their show earlier this year? You guys had nothing to say then. This probably won't even last the year. She's rebounding hard, can we stop with all this moral posturing.

[@lauryn.online]

I’m sorry but Matty Healy is a horrible person and it’s extremely troubling to ME that Taylor would overlook all of the gross things he’s SAID and DONE. I don’t care how he looks, but for Taylor to choose someone as problematic as HIM is SO utterly disappointing and she TRULY deserves to be flamed for it. This is coming from someone who used to be a really big fan of The 1975 for years.

[@rightwhereyouleftme__]

@Lauryn k well she's BEEN friends with him. So has Jack and Phoebe and Taylor is close with them too. So maybe you should have unstanned a while ago

[@gabriel_de_bettin]

Not to mention that in gold rush she says “My mind turns your life into folklore” … I didn’t believe a single second that all of folklore was fictional, AND NOW I FINALLY SEE MY DELUSION TURNING HONESTY

[@angelaharding8354]

After last night WE ARE NOT OKAY. thank you for this Zac we needed the support of the swiftologist at this fraught moment.

[@kietje]

Whatever it does to her image, and putting that all aside, I think Matt might just be a breath of fresh air to Taylor. With Joe it was so sheltered, she probably just wants to go with the flow and do things on a whim and not worry about privacy for a bit. Matt seems like the perfect person to do that now, and it doesnt even have to last. After Joe she probably likes that.

[@TaylorsVersio13]

Has she ever publicly even said "I love you" to a boyfriend before?! I swear I don't remember something like this ever happening?

[@martynawozniak3597]

I think she did mouth "I love you" to Calvin Harris during the 1989 tour

[@antonia8770]

also she did mouth i love you to joe alwyn in miss americana while singing call it what you want

[@lkcullen1918]

@@antonia8770 And sang straight at him for pretty much an entire performance during the Lover era

[@boogermaiden]

True

[@wiktorczaplicki1301]

@@martynawozniak3597 Oh, how nice it is to see a comment by a Swiftie from my homeland - Poland! / Och, jak miło zobaczyć komentarz od Fanki Taylor Swift z Polski, z której jestem! 🎵🎶😃👍 🇵🇱 🎵🎶 Hello/Cześć, Martyna! Kindest regards/Serdeczne pozdrowionka! 😃 😘💖

[@nomanisanisland117]

what makes this whole thing so uniquely entertaining (I agree, buckle in) is the truly unprecedented nature of Taylor's career. We've had 1.) consistently critically acclaimed confessional singer-songwriters and 2.) pop icons, but we've rarely had the same entities in one body. Joni Mitchell's album Blue made her world famous, but can you imagine if social media existed in the 70s? The memes alone about Graham Nash and James Taylor would have been unhinged (look up the history of that record-it's Taylor Swift's favorite of all time and "Bigger Than the Whole Sky" is basically her "Little Green"). Even Adele, who is a critically acclaimed confessional singer-songwriter, isn't nearly as PERSISTENTLY high profile as Taylor is, and that's a choice-she ducks out for 5 years straight. Taylor is just too in love with the spotlight and her own ability to manipulate it to go dark for near that long (even the "why she disappeared" period was less than 12 months). I think Adele would genuinely let the fear of tabloid scrutiny make her hesitate to date a famous actor or singer. Taylor would never. As famous as Beyoncé or Justin Bieber or even Lady GaGa is and have been, when it comes to their public perception, they are pop stars, not songwriters (despite Beyoncé's underrated contributions as a writer on her earliest work). Or at least, they were pop stars before they were anything else, and still are to most people. So their love life choices (pre-Lemonade for Beyonce) aren't scrutinized for the purposes of predicting how those choices will directly impact the songs on their next record. Taylor's choices are. Imagine if Madonna was known as a "girl with a guitar" before anything else. Now imagine that Deux Moi existed when she broke up with Sean Penn. So to have someone who has been the undisputed biggest pop star in the world (five million-selling first weeks even in the streaming era) for a remarkably consistent prolonged period of time ALSO be someone who owns all of her publishing and is about to re-release an album of nakedly confessional songs that she wrote entirely on her own....the culture has never grappled with that.

[@glory4645]

I think they are more afraid of social media and their fans then tabloids.

[@nomanisanisland117]

@@gerardovazquez6441 She's won numerous prestigous songwriting awards and received praise from songwriting icons like Paul McCartney. These are facts, whether or not she's anyone taste. As for when I say "pop star", I don't mean how well she can dance. She's got enough conviction to do a 3+ hour show three consecutive days per week. And Britney has no conviction anymore lol but I don't blame her for that. Also, I conceded that Taylor loves the spotlight and her own ability to manipulate it far too much to let go of it yet.

[@numberoneflop]

Can she let us breath for five minutes😭. The only thing keeping me sane rn is swiftologist our president 🙏

[@divergentdreamer]

"She can't do Americans anymore." *Travis Kelce has entered the chat*

[@KlaraEmilie]

when Midnights was released, at first listen the sound effects and voice alterations (such as in Midnight rain) reminded me SO much of the 1975. I remember thinking "what is this 2014-sound?". Sonically and aesthetically, a relationship overlap makes sense, both professionally and romantically.

[@hospital-blue]

honestly, I am both a huge swiftie and a the 1975 fan, actually seeing them in concert v soon. and for some goddamn reason in my breakdown, I finally clocked the potential of the music that is going to come out of this and that was the most important part all along. here for the mess!

[@km692]

As a fan of them both, I am not loving the idea of them together. But the potential for the ART that could come from a fling between them is definitely an upside

[@Ana-yh8ek]

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M LIVING FOR

[@mariellem7820]

I don't even care what happens to their relationship, it's their business. But I am extremely excited by whatever music this relationship may inspire from them both

[@lolwatisdis3312]

Great video! You’re so good at speaking, I never get bored or feel like you’re saying a ‘filler’ sentence!

[@muskaan3711]

This video was my gateway to your channel and I've been obsessed since. Also watching this video after the ttpd release is so 😂

[@kattttttttttttttt2141]

I think the Cardigan song is not about Matty but like a dedication to him at the moment. I think she dedicates the song to him, and it feels right because of the "And I knew you'd come back to me".😅

[@hayleysmith3113]

10000000%!

[@monsemora2964]

I think this song is about harry cause she says bleeding and in clean too so i think they are conected

[@lilaboxx]

​@@monsemora2964 I genuinely think cardigan is part of a fictional narrative but it's probably inspired by feelings she had at some point

[@liste302]

@@monsemora2964 yeah bc the word 'bleeding' is such an exclusive thing to say, gosh some of y'all are just stupid

[@lkcullen1918]

​@@lilaboxx Yeah I feel like w/all of folklore she took her experiences & 'core feelings' and filled in the spaces around them with fiction (though some are more blatantly about her life than others)

[@Nerdosaurous]

I literally was listening to midnights soon after the sun article dropped and when bejeweled came up I was like “waittttt” so glad you mentioned it

[@taylorpeterson2890]

That’s you for having like a normal conversation, instead of all the people freaking out saying how terrible he is, or all the other people freaking out saying stop talking about her love life. If Taylor is happy I am happy!

[@lauryn.online]

I feel like ignoring the fact that someone did a Nazi salute on stage for jokes SHOULD NOT be “normal”

[@meaganbastos]

But…but… I truly don’t understand how we can possibly be “happy that she’s happy” with a man who gets off to black women getting r@ped…. It’s serious imo because 1. her poc fans feel sick and betrayed and unheard and gaslit by anyone who is supporting Taylor’s decision and 2. her white fans are being fed the message that you can be a white person who is an “ally” and still choose to date racists…. I mean really this is the tip of the iceberg… People’s decisions say things about them, and Taylor’s decisions right now are saying some really unsavory things about her. It’s really caught me off guard tbh, and I think it’s not crazy to be deeply disappointed in her.

[@CalinJohnson-jh7oh]

@@lauryn.onlinereal

[@ascendednightingale2456]

We don’t truly know how Taylor’s and Joe’s relationship was behind closed doors. Even though they were together for over half a decade, there are many things that can cause people to drift apart. Just because it’s taking Taylor a while to find her perfect match doesn’t mean that love isn’t real. Yes, it’s sad that we all thought Joe was the one, and it seemed like happily ever after, but it clearly wasn’t. All that matters is Taylor’s happiness and it seems like she’s doing well. She has a ton of support and I believe she’ll find her “one” someday.

[@mariachiara1723]

"She can't do americans anymore", Travis Kelce be like "WATCH ME!" :''')

[@audreysopoco]

Hi there, 1975 fan here and was at the last show Matty was before flying to Nashville. I think what I am only concerned by is how this is going to affect him personally. Is he suddenly going to be swarmed by the media? Is he going to be more guarded? Are fans gonna see less of him let alone get close to him? Are tickets gonna get more expensive now?? I understand that by potentially dating her his profile is going to increase even more. Been a fan since 2014, so to see him get more famous astronomically is insane to me.

[@uchiha5531]

i'm more afraid of his mental health. he had a lot of battles and now he seems happy, clean, and healthy

[@ag98534]

“Buckle the fuck in” I love you. As a huge Swiftie it’s nice to see someone think through everything coherently. I don’t love things I’ve read that Matty has said, but I also never vibed with Taylor being so private with Joe when I felt she wanted to shine. Especially in recent years. I trust her and I wish her the best, she deserves to be happy.

[@catherined2876]

Omg been a swifttie since like 2009 found your channel today. Absolutely spot on and hilarious. Best swiftie president!!!! ❤

[@theswiftologist]

Thank you and welcome!!!

[@lilaboxx]

As someone who became a swiftie some time between reputation and lover seeing this is kidna wild to me because ive never seen all these speculations live lmao I'm generally very put of the loop when it comes to celebrity dating and mostly i dont care that much but something about this is fascinating to me

[@gryffyleelee]

A belated welcome to the Swiftie team!

[@lilaboxx]

@@gryffyleelee awww thank you, I love it here hehe

[@abigailalma]

the important thing here is that zach’s shirt is a slay

[@lavan6298]

I'm not a swiftie (yet?) or a die-hard fan of any artist, but i have to say it is so refreshing to hear you highlight that PR and calculation do indeed play a big role in what taylor Swift, and other celebrities, do with their personal lives. I've seen many shorts and reels of swifties that portray Taylor as this perfectly genuine person, and i find them so strange. it's important to remember that celebrities may be good people but we will never fully know who they are

[@twilightsummers]

Aside from the idea that Matty was just a fling and it would end amicably, this video aged like ✨fine wine✨ You really did clock it!

[@xineriven973]

I loooove when you said, "ultimately, at the end of the day, all I care about is that Taylor is happy." And then i felt a click of inner peace within me thank youuuu

[@graceO287]

I’m pretty sure they tried to date back in 2013/14 post Harry during the 1989 era but Matty was struggling with addiction and rehab visits etc and they didn’t continue due to that. By the time he was clean, Taylor had met Joe and it was too late to try again. I genuinely believe that Matty has been in love with Taylor for almost 10 years (hence the song ‘about you’, ‘do you think I had forgotten…’ as it’s been 10 years) but obviously out of respect didn’t pursue anything further until Joe and Tay started having problems (late 2022 early 2023 but the breakdown may have started before this). Taylor then worked with Matty for midnights in 2022 and then at the 1975 concert in Jan 2023 they reconnected, maybe things were really bad with Joe and she saw Mattys free spirit/attention and obvious obsession with her and the grass was greener. Then after the official break up (I think early feb) whilst Matty was on a break from tour and in the US for SNL they started hanging out as mates with Phoebe, Jack, Margaret etc I think they’ve been dating since mid feb and are genuinely together now. I think, like you say, they are testing the water with the Nashville shows and see how the fandom responds etc and they’ll go public soon. I think Matty is a really wonderful person and would be good for Taylor. They’re both verrrryyy famous and makes sense with Taylor not wanting to hide away her next relationship. I could be totally wrong but I have to get this off my chest in a safe space as I need to find peace.

[@pppperfectbeauty3550]

I think she also had a song About a friend fighting addiction 😅😅😅

[@graceO287]

Yes this also! 😢

[@meghansullivan6812]

Oh dude I feel like you’re onto something!!

[@faeriecat444]

i’m not a huge the 1975 fan but i thought i heard fans saying about you was a sequel to another song that was about one of his ex girlfriends?

[@lkcullen1918]

@@faeriecat444 On genius there's a quote from Matt Healy confirming it being connected to the song Robbers in an interview

[@lautaylorsversion-e4y]

Zach, honey, we love your videos but you have to rest, cause omfg two videos in two days?! you really are incredible, we love youu 💜

[@hexbxund]

This is mental, I'm a huge fan of the 1975 and i love matty so much. The amount of hate I've seen around from the swifties is insane. I get some people don't like him, but the stuff being said online is very fucking nasty. I didn't want to believe the rumors bc i just can't simply imagine them being a couple, but those vids of them saying i love you to each other are very fucking suspicious. Matty always says random shit on stage but, I've never seen this from taylor so... ALSO he flew from Manila to Nashville? DUDEEEE WHATTTTT?👀💀

[@monimoo88]

This feels like getaway car part 2. She did this exact same thing when she left Calvin for Tom. Is Matty Tom part 2? I hope not because when she chose to do that she decided to scrap any music she may have written about Calvin during their one year relationship. And we all know Taylor writes all the time all year round. So it’s fairly safe to assume there are albums worth of love songs for Calvin sitting gathering dust in some attic somewhere. I want to hear the music she wrote during the moments where she began to realize her relationship with Joe was dissolving, because she’s never really written music from the perspective that Joe wasn’t this amazing unicorn man. Sure we got some snippets of the Calvin breakup in rep, lover and midnights and sure we got some foreshadowing of the Joe breakup in midnights but that was hidden behind the “13 sleepless nights” cover. I want the real Joe breakup album. And if Taylor did write cardigan about matty, she said in long pond that in her head Betty and James end up together in the end. Kinda….

[@justincera1770]

im excited for ts11 tbh because of this...i'm feeling the dream pop/alt rock vibe for it

[@alidiaz2339]

all i can say is the music that’s going to come from this on BOTH sides is going to HIT SO HARD 🔥

[@hayleysmith3113]

Omg in 7 years I have been so alone in my perspective on her and you have literally hit every … single … point … that I have always said. THANK you.

[@katherinepierce7948]

It's the adoration with sober criticism that I love about the Swiftologist.

[@nemesismerly7949]

You clocked it, yes you did

[@robindebacker]

I have to say, you are really helping me get through some hard times in my personal life. I had to laugh out loud when you say you're strapped in, and ready to rock, and advised us all to do the same. Absolutely. I'm excited and enjoying the ride. Just hope it doesn't end too soon.

[@ceciliarogers5287]

One of the quotes about the Taylor/Matt news felt like an intentional dig at Joe. Re. how Taylor doesn't want to hide how she feels about Matt and wants to make it public and 'own' this relationship.

[@Sherlocked.Loki-Swift]

I discovered your videos recently and I'm SO grateful! You instantly became my favorite Swiftie KZbinr. I'm amazed at how much I agree with you when it comes to opinions. Literally EVERYTHING about the Lover era I agree with you saying and honestly most Swifties attack me for not liking Lover or Miss Americana. Also thinking Joe was boring and being pretty happy they broke up. I'm so excited for Speak Now TV!! Thanks for 3 videos in a week!! 😊

[@beccac6812]

So much content being fed this weekend and I’m herereee for it

[@krazygirly1975]

You made good points about the possible timeline. Matty and Twigs called off their engagement around May or June 2022.

[@lolap7766]

My theory is that her going to that 1975 concert, her being a simp for harry at the grammys and that after party are all connected

[@Chickasawlady]

BLESS you for keeping me entertained at work two days in a row!!

[@kmbmmangel]

I was there Sat. Night and I WISH I had the video to prove it, but at one point she drew an elaborate heart shape and then pointed DIRECTLY at a VIP tent!!! I was in the nosebleeds so I can only speculate that it was in Matty’s direction!!

[@andrewgarfieldswife8734]

My mom absolutely hates Matty. I don’t know why, she loves the 1975, but she has this like unexplained hatred for him. She loves Taylor too. Safe to say, it’s been really funny to watch her struggle with these new developments 💀 on another note though I will literally run into traffic if cardigan is about MATTY HEALY

[@tinab9561]

I’m sorry I can’t imagine them dealing with one another 😭 hopefully they won’t end up murdering each other before the end of the year

[@km692]

Lol I kind of feel this too. Like dating either one of them would be exhausting 😆

[@Idkwhat56]

LMAOO

[@km692]

@Mamal we really are just making up anything now aren’t we 😂 he has two dogs and you can find a million videos of him cuddling cute animals which he loves!

[@hhhhhhh7627]

@Mamal how does eating raw meat make you an animal hater lol

[@walkingtheline1729]

I dont know if you ever covered it but i think it is interesting that taylor went from babe and girl at home to ivy, illicit affair, and high infinitely. It is weird that she took the side of the cheater and made them sympathetic.

[@redwineandagingerale]

I think - without excusing cheating - she's grown up and is realising that no situation is black and white, and usually there is at least some sort of explanation for why someone cheated. I'm not saying it's okay, and I personally wouldn't forgive a potential partner cheating on me. But I think in songs like illicit affairs she's exploring possible reasons for people cheating, whether that's her cheating or a story she's making up. Like most relationships where one person is cheating probably weren't in a good place even before the cheating (imagine a tolerate it kind of relationship) and there's nuance to that. I say that while also saying cheating is an asshole move and people should just fucking breakup. (Unless we're talking about an abusive, toxic relationship where the cheating partner is scared they're gonna get hurt if they leave)

[@walkingtheline1729]

@@redwineandagingerale I actaully believe that if the relationship is a abusive you need to get out before starting a new one. The reasons are: 1.You're probably not mentally healthy enough for a new relationship and should work on yourself for a little bit. 2.You could be putting the new person and yourself at extreme risk (not alway but abusivers go crazy with the lose of control) 3.You don't have a lot of relationships when you get put of an abusive one and could be setting yourself up to be in another abusive were it is easy for the abusiver to start to. 4. You easily get the situation where "you don't want to have sex with the therapist" meaning that person who "saves you" becomes the embodiment of the trauma and everything you look at them it is a reminder of it. To me it is less of a moral thing and a more you are setting yourself up for failure thing. I know this isn't always the case but it is just such a risky action.

[@redwineandagingerale]

@@walkingtheline1729 of course you should get out but from listening to people who've been in abusive relationships, it's not always easy to leave. So of course I would say it's best to get out of that situation by simply breaking up but in reality, that's not actually simple and easy. Anyway, I was just saying that in my opinion, if someone is in an abusive relationship, they're not at fault for cheating.

[@walkingtheline1729]

@@redwineandagingerale I'll be real I tell to look at thing from a logical and moral standpoint then figure out the grey areas. I will probably never be able to fully understand your point of view. I'm not a very empathic person in general but I try not to be too judgy if it isn't a legally wrong thing.

[@Eras_Era13]

Interesting that About You and Cardigan both mention trains by way of missed connection “stepping on the last train” … “and I miss you on a train”

[@mackenzie1845]

was just gonna comment this

[@lkcullen1918]

idk, taylor has used trains as a motif throughout many of her albums for years now

[@nishthagupta1357]

You're so good at this PR stuff omg