Are British Schools Hostile to Muslim children? with Dr Amina Shareef

[@TheThinkingMuslim]

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[@Azda-emina]

Im in my 40s now but this whole issue has transporeted me back to my school days in the 90s where every little expression of our religion was challenged and undermined by the school community. Its isolating and as a child its daunting to deal with so I admire this young woman for taking her school to court

[@lubeibegum]

Bless you, same!

[@user-fo9lm4dx6y]

Why do you live in a country of disbelievers? You are in dar-al-harb and the inhabitants of the British isles are destined to be constantly tortured in the hellfire, serving as fuel and having their faces flipped in the fire and having their skin burned off and replaced before being burned off again. How can you possibly hold a friendship with an English non muslim believing what the quran and the sunnah teach about them?

[@saraharold3670]

Even back in the nineties and early 2000s our children were provided with a room to pray in and we had an activity room for those whose parents wanted to excuse them from the nativity play and during Ramadan to rest during lunchtime and that was primary schools. As far as I heard the congregational prayer was also well established in many high schools

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

It used to be but now any organized prayer is forbidden in the schools.

[@saraharold3670]

Sorry to hear that. Allahu ul musta'aan

[@RojaJaneman]

Y do u pick such schools when u know they’re like that?? They’re not ur slaves. This is a free world. They have rights to believe as they want

[@saraharold3670]

@@RojaJaneman Well because Muslims too are equal members of the school community with the same chance to influence and be influenced. It was not a Christian school although the majority back then came from a post Christian cultural background and a number of families came from a cultural Muslim background not particularly interested in practising the religion. By it's nature if you believe in something you want others to know about it and benefit.

[@RojaJaneman]

@@saraharold3670 exactly equal. NOT superior. If other kids don’t force their beliefs on u, u must extend d same decency and courtesy. U don’t get special treatment

[@hassansaeed5633]

May Allah keep Dr Aminah on right path always . I love how she delivered her ideas.

[@90chestnut]

26:00 Very powerful message and great example. Values are not a singular entity and the values of "freedom" in the West quickly are dropped, when you choose to exercise your freedom in a different way to them.

[@AfshanAslam-z7x]

Her final comments about Muslim women and their sense of security and the implications for harming that for future generations is truly reflective of reality!

[@shamselnahar45]

Very enriching discussion. Thank you both.

[@azainashaikh6841]

An imperative discussion! Quite informative ♥️

[@yoakealdrnari]

"Let us remember what secularism is. Secularism is not just segregating religious life into the private sphere. It is rather the determination of the state of what religion is and is not, where and how it can be exercised. In terms of political theology, secularism is the murder of God by the state. The state can delimit, limit, exclude or curtail any religious practice, and thus has the power to determine the quality and quantity of the religious sphere as it sees fit." - Wael Hallaq

[@abdullahozek8016]

Secularism is associating partner gods to Allah ; shirk in Arabic Hence all Seculars are Mushrikoon , those who associate partner gods to Allah It is idolatry and polytheism

[@peacenow6618]

جزاک اللہ خیرا

[@bobbyd5167]

Everything that appears to be problematic for the Muslim today, sounds just like the day to day life of a black person.

[@موسى_7]

Then imagine how horrible life must be for the blacks. Thanks for reminding me that there are people who have it worse than us.

[@adjoa-anima]

Doesn't compare black people don't face racism for their actions but skin color, even if blacks act according to the rules but Islam wants to be the rule and not act according to western rules and suffer for that

[@90chestnut]

@@adjoa-anima You know that Arab, Turkish, Persian, Pakistani, Black and many other non white Muslims face both discrimination because of racism and because of islamophobia?

[@bobbyd5167]

@@adjoa-anima The skin colour comes first but that is simply the initiation process. What then follows is the injustice, of which depending on how far back you wana go, you can take your pick as there’s an abundance. Muslims are having their cultures infringed upon, many blacks have literally had theirs fully stripped away from them. I don’t wana do a whole session on this but I see the similarities in any case!

[@adjoa-anima]

@@bobbyd5167 well blacks are not trying to impose their rules and way of life on the British we get hate for merely existing and we get it not only from whites but no black people as well even black Muslims face racism from Arabs, Pakistani etc so it's not the same plight, Hindus aren't facing these issues because they integrate well, Muslims face these issues because they want to be the rule.

[@Richard77Mecca]

00:00 Introduction 00:53 Michaela School verdict 07:05 Religious practice 08:35 Frenchstyle assimilation 12:58 What is a school? 15:23 How? 18:18 Impact on Muslim children 20:42 Decolonising the curriculum 22:40 White Supremacy 24:52 Extremism 31:49 Antimuslim racism 33:24 Homeschooling 37:27 Secularism 39:53 Separatism 43:49 Muslim majority countries 47:27 How can we begin? 50:43 What is Palestine solidarity?

[@zaidkhan-zl2xv]

She is great

[@damirkozlica1709]

Stop using the word "Islamism."

[@adamali2886]

Surah 33 verse 53

[@BrokenSymmetry1]

Oh please, in malaysia muslim students perform way worse than nonmuslim students despite the entire system being biased in their favour. Change your mentality.

[@tortoise32187]

Pakistanis and Bangladeshis perform better on average than the white brit, but that's not the point. If there is a bias, then it need needs to be changed.

[@موسى_7]

Malaysia is a different country. In Iran, Muslims are extremely educated and intelligent. Iraq too.

[@BrokenSymmetry1]

@@موسى_7 Yes, thats why about 70% of young iranians say they are atheist. Smart people waking up to the modern world.

[@BrokenSymmetry1]

@@tortoise32187 Its common for small immigrant groups to perform better than the majority. But within these groups Hindu Sikhs immigrants perform better than Muslims. East Asians also perform better. Are the evil racist whites favouring them? Or perhaps the system is fair and muslims should stop looking for external factors for their underperformance. Like reforming islam and bringing it into the 21st century for starters.

[@BrokenSymmetry1]

@@tortoise32187 Its not uncommon for small immigrant communities to outperform the native majority. But why do Hindus and Sikhs fo better than muslims? And east asians as well? Seems like the system is fair and any explanation for muslim underperformance should come from within.

[@prasannapeiris8466]

Then why don't them educate their children in Iran or some other Muslim country? Nobody is forcing them to stay in Britain

[@mecanuktutorials6476]

Complicated answer is they work in the UK. That would mean dividing the family. There is really only 1 prayer during school hours and it’s usually in the afternoon. Anyone who has been to school should recognize that taking a 10 or 15 min break from a lecture is a non-issue. Why that is a BIG deal worthy of national news is bewildering. During an exam, makes sense but not during a standard lecture.

[@_Ali.]

It’s amazing for people who say “democratic free western society”, the moment someone wants to exercise that freedom of democracy a pocket xenophobes will say “fuck of elsewhere and stop trying to use democracy and freedoms”

[@greenbee6902]

@@_Ali. They are hateful imbeciles who dont practice what they preach. Liberal tolerance until you disagree with them!

[@موسى_7]

Because of their bitter hatred towards the Shia, and because the Western embassies promised them a tolerant Western society.

[@pacman7959]

You predicted what is too come for schools and education in the future. How about you speak frankly about what else is too come. You think what happened to the jews isn't going to happen again.

[@yabiggalla]

Another Islamist sob story, even though the anti-muslim think-tanks are despicable

[@adamali2886]

You're talking about praying in the school but the school is coeducation which is haram. Hypocrisy

[@موسى_7]

Coeducation is not haram. The girls are wearing hijab

[@adamali2886]

@@موسى_7 complete nonsense

[@karenrobinson129]

Nope! Time British schools explained Muslims are not special.

[@chocopoli]

Jog on Karen, you are nothing special

[@karenrobinson129]

@Yu7Zi Well, they are special, just not in a good way!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@karenrobinson129]

@chocopoli Well, I am. I'm British . My family are indigenous Brits, and Britain belongs to the British,not to spongers and criminals.

[@greendragonspirit1646]

@karenrobinson129 by " indigenous " do you mean that you are either Scottish or Welsh?

[@karenrobinson129]

@@greendragonspirit1646 I'm Scottish/British. We are united!!

[@sysprogmanadhoc2785]

Thousands of people are leaving religion every day, because they can see it is bogus. In the case of Islam, it is also being exposed as evil

[@tortoise32187]

In the US, the number of converts to Islam is equal to those who leave the faith.

[@hamsatd]

I find it pathetic that they pick on children who want to peacefully pray for 5mins. 😢

[@deepsareen1]

It is equally pathetic that while Muslims use all kind of tricks to migrate to West (leaving their home-lands) upon naturalization they start hating the western values and want Islamic practices in public places. If prayers are really that important why not send children to the private schools allowing that.

[@marcusj9947]

Move to a Muslim country

[@gohanpcgamer]

disgusting that children are brainwashed to pray to the 4skin eating god of Abraham

[@zahrahramnath9380]

You know, surely its better than kids doing mischief and getting themselves involved in crime.

[@soodabhi]

developing menace

[@thefitrahisticlearners]

Eloquence- Allah Humma Barik! It's so interesting how what Sis Amina talks about British schools, many muslims worldwide living in muslim countries, too can vouch, their schools, their teachers, all made them feel inferior as muslims! The colonial past still haunts our muslim identity - living in muslim countries! I know an ex homeschooling mum here in UK, her daughter does niqab. She goes to a Catholic school now .. she prays in the school too! We all have our own journeys, I have found British people quite accommodating to Islam The narcissistic liberals or the aplogetic muslims in the muslim countries sometimes make you feel more inferior since their vibes stem from a deep-rooted sense of inferiority within their own selves. The British, having their own sense of racial identity intact, actually behaved quite positively to practising muslim women ... We have to do the balancing act of integration aswell, it takes two to tango! Islam is beautiful, most beautiful gift to humanity, and its how you carry your Islam, and how your kids carry their Islam, that will eventually lead them to pave their place .. with character- confidence and creativity!

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

How do you feel about videos where muslims who were fasting hurled insult at the non muslim who was eating at the break room.

[@sheenihaq5672]

Yes I agree not all British people are the same my daughters science teacher let them pray in the science classroom, during lunch break , meaning trusting them there where there science equipment I think that shows alot

[@sheenihaq5672]

​@@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt Yes that's bad attitude from the Muslim side We can get all sorts from both sides that's what makes us insaan

[@valerieayla4687]

Very true. Muslim majority countries have to do the work in their pedagogy and curriculum. World Bank has ties and impacts!!!!

[@PS-uz4ep]

​@@MiladChowdhury-yt8ptFasting meanwhile insulting and abusing others😖 Fasting is not just not eating and drinking but something much deepee

[@syeddanial267]

Every Muslim parent must watch this. Dr Amina is a formidable intellectual.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

She is a troublemaker. Look at her say political Islam is a 'legitimate ideology' then look at what terrible things Islamists like the Taliban, Al Qaeda and ISIS have done! She can only talk as an Assistant Professor here in the UK. Under the Taliban she wouldn't even be allowed an education!

[@greenbee6902]

@@ankhmorpok1497 Western secular countries have done far worse. The US, UK killed far more people than any terrorist.

[@greatcaledonianpenicillin5378]

I think the kids at the school should all pray at lunchtime, they can't get them all in trouble. This is what you have to do, to combat disgusting rulings that are put in place.

[@RojaJaneman]

They should all b dismissed. U can’t force theology on public organizations. That’s anti-democratic and a violation of their human rights.

[@sshafiq543]

​@@RojaJanemanhow did you equate praying with forcing theology?!

[@thebeesnuts777]

No you shouldn't because they don't know what prayer is, infact your making your children commit shirk i.e acting out rituals that the parents have been doing and not letting the children mature into adults to find their way of supplication and how they wish and understand to approach the Source Look up Zoroastrianism and khayzuran and you will understand why the book never mentions 5 daily prayers and how Hadith have been forged

[@sR-kf9ib]

In the past Fuqaha would say : you can live in the west if YOU want , but do not have your children there. This is MANIFESTLY true.

[@swordoftree]

Interesting. Alternatively we can do more to educate the society around us about Islam and Muslim way of life as many people are very ignorant about it.

[@90chestnut]

The message of Allah s.w.t. spreads with Muslims living all around the world and showing that it is a good way. The ones who fear Islam want to drive us into isolation because they know that the message is powerful and can speak to anyone willing to listen.

[@sR-kf9ib]

@@swordoftree great idea. But the west itself is not conducive to child psychological growth, it lacks friendship and it’s educational system is not and will never be tranquil.

[@UmmEss]

No. If scholars said this, they had blinkers on. Where are millions upon millions of Muslims who live in the West supposed to go??

[@Omarj1986]

​@@UmmEss Islamically we're not suppose to live in the West. But our parent's brought us here because of the problems in our respective countries. We can all make Hijrah. Living in the west is a choice. I'm planning to leave this prison.

[@sharrarak115]

Yes there is islamaphobia towards Muslim children. My child reports regularly on anti Muslim comments by teachers. Unfair treatment, lack of equal access to opportunities.

[@user-tm7ld1dx6f]

Is it like the Asian grooming gangs yeah?

[@sshafiq543]

​@@user-tm7ld1dx6fthere's many of those gangs sadly, it's a shame that you're fixated on only one ethnicity

[@user-tm7ld1dx6f]

@@sshafiq543 what British Christian groom gangs do you hear off?, it's a disgrace it's been aloud to go on for so long because of people that say things like you

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

@@sshafiq543 even among regular gangs majority like 99% are black and brown from indian continent and african continent.

[@sshafiq543]

@@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt Gangs are usually in the most deprived areas and the demographics vary depending on where you're talking about

[@valerieayla4687]

Love this conversation. I wished to talk with Dr Amina Shareef more! Endlessly interesting and much to do. Where to start?

[@Chasee445]

The British court has upheld secularist extremism. It’s one thing to be secular, and another entirely to be anti-freedom of religious practice.

[@MaryMcMullen-w8k]

I hope SO. With Brexit, that they will learn!

[@ankhmorpok1497]

The court decided to protect the school from some Muslim students acting like a gang eg. telling girls to wear hijab or telling them not to sing in the choir.

[@RojaJaneman]

List top three organizations that r running/funding this secularist extremism, and their top five agendas to make it happen

[@sshafiq543]

​@@RojaJanemanthe government itself

[@vinsin328]

Agree, just do not go to such schools.

[@DITBC]

We have the same sort of justifications in public schools in the United States. The argument has always been that they cannot allow religious practice in state funded spaces, thereby showing favoritism to any specific faith when there should be a separation of church and state. I’ve always wondered though, places like airports are also state and public funded and yet they accommodate common non-denominational “meditation spaces,” so why not in schools?

[@jowairiyyaabdollah5117]

But if is that child lunch or break time they should be able to take of their salat then in quite place

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

@@jowairiyyaabdollah5117 well, they can during their breaks if they want to. Problem is breaks are not during the times of Salat. Being secular is how every faith in the States can trust the public institutions. Otherwise, can non muslims expect same services from Muslims and vice versa? Because genuinely be honest, most of us muslims trust the non muslims running things in the States than the Muslims in our home country.

[@freddistenbrain8287]

If religious people cannot adapt their practices to the routines of public, secular institutions then they need to create their own institutions and stop complaining.

[@موسى_7]

​@@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt Milad, you don't need to pray same time as Azan. Praying later at break is okay. Just make sure it's not too late, or it will become Qaza. Zuhr and Asr are valid until the sun sets, and Meghrib and Isha are until midnight. You can pray both Zuhr and Asr at the same time during Asr. The early Muslims in the time of the Holy Prophet would not separate Zuhr and Asr in congregational prayers; they would pray both at the azan of Zuhr.

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

@@موسى_7 I know. Thats what the problem was about. The girl always prayed at home because break time did not align with Namaz Time. Thus, it was not an issue until Muslim started by muslimi at that school trying to force them to give the girl time during non break hours. Its not that she could not pray, she could not pray during instruction hours.

[@hamzamohiuddin973]

Not only British, in Muslim countries too. As the education is entirely imported from the west, western ideologies and ideals are also imported, especially in the top institues. Most of the faculty has usuallly some foreign education or experience. Strangely enough, people in muslim countries are less critical (if at all) in the academic institutes to these ideas, even though the ones pushing these ideas proactively proclaim objectivty and critical thinking. I mean, both types of people should be critical, the ones who spread these ideologies because that is what they claim about these idelogies, as well as the muslims because new ideas in any society do usually face some questioning, debate or discussion. This whole system produces overconfident, outspoken, politically active type people who don't take Islam seriously, and timid, confused muslims who value Islamic values, because the system pushes the ones, put down the others from an early age.

[@MrTruthAndFacts]

Correct. I call them Western puppets or Western NPCs

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

Thats the all Education System. In islamic times, educations system taught raping non muslims are ok. A muslims word is far more valuable in court than a non muslims. Public Education managed to convince religion of Peace to become religion of War. Anytime you have organized system of education, it suits whatever the rulers want it to do. Does not change in the West or Islamic States.

[@raptorate2872]

the islamic world is deteriorating in terms education BECAUSE it emphasizes religion in the classroom. REMOVE religion from state and education, period. School is not the place to bring your religion.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

The West are the most succesful nation states. Frrom democracy to womens rights to economic standards and technical ability and innovation. So it stands to reason that any developing country would want to copy that success. There is NO alternative Islamic system woth any comparable track record. That's why people follow success.

[@mariokart6118]

I work in a majority Muslim girls state school and I have to say that we do have a place for the girls to pray at lunchtimes.

[@MrTruthAndFacts]

So?

[@mariokart6118]

@@MrTruthAndFactsthis is the comment’s section and I’ve made a comment pertaining to the subject matter. Your response to my comment seems a bit juvenile

[@MrTruthAndFacts]

@@mariokart6118 right right. You believe in British state and its schools. Got you

[@TheLion377]

Do they facilitate their prayer? Having an empty room is different than facilitating their prayer.

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

@@TheLion377 why should they?

[@CraigTheBrute-yf7no]

Sad to see this is still ongoing. When I was at school around 15 years ago there were several islamophobic teachers & school management restricting things like prayer, fasting, muslim student society elections etc. I even remember in primary school a teacher explaining to the class how muslim women were oppressed by the hijab. It was bizarre because a third of the class were somali & their mums wore the hijab & were obviously not oppressed.

[@marcusj9947]

What happens to Muslim women who remove the hijab in Iran?

[@dee6340]

What happened to Mahsa mini when she removed her hijab in Iran?

[@MiladChowdhury-yt8pt]

can they not wear the Hijab and not be killed?

[@موسى_7]

​@@dee6340 She went to a Guidance Patrol station (where the officers explain to them hijab and tell them not to break the law), then she had a seizure and died. She even fell in the middle of the station among all the other women before having her bigger seizure.

[@dee6340]

@@موسى_7 And all that happened around the time she happened to take of the hijab with a so-called morality police nearby. No one is buying your defense of the wicked Iranian regime and it's lies

[@alexathecanadianconvert]

French secularism is colonizing England, it seems. Where I live (province of BC, Canada) muslim kids are allowed to pray, but lqbt is pushed in elementary schools with no right to opt out, greek/roman paganism is taught in social studies and it is considered racist to opt out of indigenous ritual demonstrations. Muslim kids "are free to pray," but they also *have to* partake in paganism and lgbt. This is why I homeschool and have now enrolled my son in a muslim educational enrichment program alhamdulillah. May Allah help all Muslims raising children in the west! amin

[@MASL-24]

Ma sha Allah! i second you! I am from Italy and totally homeschooling my 6 years old girl! May I ask which program have you enrolled your son into? I am still searching and learning as it's gonna be our first HS year Jazaki Allah

[@peacenow6618]

May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!

[@elalquimistadelacultura2859]

Alhamdulilah. 💯 Excelent análisis. That type of education for Muslims would power all of us. ❤

[@elitebutdumb]

Private schools allow Jummah and other prayers. The main thing here is, we need our kids to be Muslims first before we point our fingers in the opposite direction. Yes, there are issues, but one side finds the gap. Us Muslims needs to find out iman. Parents need to learn and do more to support instil Islam in their children. Islam doesn't come from schools. It starts from the cradle of the home.

[@mohammedtaj5942]

I will always be grateful to Tony Bland who introduced me to the idea of Mathematics being from many civilisations and cultures. The idea of algebra, the origins of the zero in our place value system and the founder of Algebra Muhammad Bin Musa Al-Khowarizmi. The origins of many words from the Arab Muslim civilisation. The idea of education belonging to Europe and the hegemony they hold over it. He made us question the idea of where knowledge civilisation originated. A wonderful lecturer who understood what education was.

[@MI-vc9lp]

​@@raptorate2872 No, the scholars credited the Indians and the Greeks and then further built on their knowledge. You know, because that's how progress works.

[@raptorate2872]

@@MI-vc9lp they never built on anything, they just took credit for others work. Proof is in the pudding, if you want tangible proof, you do not have to look far, since the dawn of internet age, most scholars you mention are still decoding the holy books instead of actually making any scientific progress in the few places that aren't in some war. The ones who did however, did it in the west

[@موسى_7]

​@@raptorate2872 Don't you know Muslim Iran is no 11 science producing country in the world?

[@rabyaahmed2817]

So it's up to Parents to instill into their children, strong islamic values and to talk to them about issues.So when they do encounter such negative behaviours towards them they have strong foundation to not let it effect their beliefs.

[@daniz3466]

You navigate the way out of Britan. Moving to islamic country would make your life easy.

[@موسى_7]

So many people I know have already taken that advice and moved to Lebanon, Egypt, and Iraq from UK and USA, and they are happy about their decision.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

@@موسى_7 did they renounce their British or American citizenship? Or will they leg it back the minute these unstable countries fall to ,political violence and civil war? Remembger all those Sudanese begging the FCO to get them out when the army and RSF suddenly tirned on each other? lol

[@mohammedmir777]

Those countries are under the Americans and European empire and their leaders are ruling only with the help of the Western countries. Nearly all the Muslims majority countries are living under the Western empire.

[@موسى_7]

​@@mohammedmir777 Living in a Muslim country makes it easier to reduce the imperial influence. People are just too materialistic to take political action in their home countries.

[@abdulsufi7894]

Why can't the muslim community build their own amazing schools. Like the jews.

[@WorldWeeb]

There are Muslim schools yet they choose to send them to schools where religion is not allowed then cry about it

[@موسى_7]

Money.

[@saraharold3670]

I think maybe because of the UK ummah still being somewhat fractured and the fact that everyone wants to be a leader and not a follower, basically give me your money and I'll be in charge

[@ankhmorpok1497]

Lack of expertise. Some tried but those schools in the private sector were not very academically succesful.

[@pacman7959]

There isn't a future for Muslims in the UK. I don't know why you keep thinking about bandaid solutions. Within the next few decades expect bigger leaps in their rules and enforcement.

[@Goal-piety]

I wonder if places like UAE or Saudi or Turkey or Malaysia have tried to fix this western curriculum problem in their current educational systems? I am from Ireland and the school curriculum here is very similar to the UK.

[@mus3711]

many aspects of their lives dictated by western powers

[@truthtobetold9816]

We have to learn both sides history with taking lessons from both sides. Its a part of historical study with critical thinking and analysis such that we dont fall into the same mistakes that occured in past. At the same time, we learn from both as how they succeeded and why. Agreeing somewhat with you, unfortunately, we are living in an extremely imbalanced times where prejudice, favouritsm, and looking up to people on the basis of finances materialism is prevalent. Hence, the best way to manage this IMHO is to take the good what you can take from there and rest make it up with your knowledge. Parents and students need to research and do extra miles these days.

[@amnamuhammed516]

there are schools in the uae that have uae syllabus for all social sciences and western curriculum for others

[@sshafiq543]

In Pakistan, I've heard from a graduate that they teach Darwin for example but the teachers also discuss how it's a theory and in fact the world was created..

[@MrSuperpak]

As parents we should be vigilant what our kids are being taught and what ideologies are imposed over them. Its too common that kids are being oppressed when instilling their western delusional ideas of oppression. Because often kids arent even allowed to respond back

[@PhilippaBeale]

This is all nonsense. Every school and university in the UK has a room for prayer. Schools and university can only teach comparative religion and it’s illegal and a sacking offence to promote or promulgate a religious or political preference.

[@generalzeedot]

Philippa, please explain how you colour affording children of all faiths a quiet space for prayer ( this was the student's request) as the school showing 'a religious or political preference'?

[@MaryMcMullen-w8k]

Everyone prays, even a child, no one can tell a child to pray, a child does that.

[@besim3916]

34:12 As a homeschooling parent, I agree in the radical transformative potential. Muslims need to do more in this sphere both individually and as a community. No parent should hand over their kids to a state or private institution to brainwash their kids to see the world from a secular paradigm. Our kids are an amana and we will be held accountable for who we hand our kids over to.

[@allykhan8594]

Islam teaches that a believer (because of his True belief) is Superior. The kufr civilization will have its downfall it is only a question of time. Qu'ran 3:178 And let not those who disbelieve imagine that the rein We give them bodeth good unto their souls. We only give them rein that they may grow in sinfulness. And theirs will be a shameful doom.

[@sR-kf9ib]

Absolutely true and true and true in the real sense. ☪️

[@balajiraju4157]

​@@sR-kf9ibthis is why nobody trust you...bite the hand that feed you

[@Mr.GeeKhan786]

What a dumb point to make. As if the West and western civilisation does not consider itself and its values as superior too and tries to spread democracy and liberal values all over the world. Why is that OK and not Islamic supremacy OK? You are heavily biased.

[@swapnilredkar]

So a religion thinks ,its superior than others and also cries that people with other religion discriminate them.isnt it the Irony ?

[@allykhan8594]

@@swapnilredkar As you put it "the individuoa cries" if that is true? The religion does not cry that is factual.

[@baganthekerannaghor8161]

Every bad side has a good side. It’s a wake up call for Muslims in uk. We are growing in numbers so make Islamic schools for our children.

[@assiyaq4346]

The teachers even mock them for having ambitions. They say,oh! Your mummy/ daddy wany you to be a doctor! This is in primary school. Then they put the kids in low ability groups.

[@raptorate2872]

well yes, because the religious indoctrination removes critical thinking which is crucial for high skill jobs. Muslim migrants are shown to be the most dependent on social aid compared to asians, indians, etc.

[@fberki]

And then they poach doctors from South Asian countries.

[@MI-vc9lp]

​@@raptorate2872 He was talking about mocking children. Why are you talking about religious indoctrination? And you want to accuse us of not thinking critically, when most of you lot are indoctrinated into secularism?

[@موسى_7]

​@@fberki Not just Asia, even Africa

[@MuslimLifeHackers]

Thanks for sharing this educational content.

[@ktomy6483]

Jazakum Allah khair May Allah bless you and your family

[@naeembanday6595]

If a child needs to take a few minutes out of his/her free Time during lunch for their obligatory prayer, this is a reasonable request and should be accommodated. This is indeed accommodated in a lot of state schools as well as in business countrywide. So don’t be shy to ask your teacher or employer about it…. Our religious obligations are at the least as important as our worldly needs…. Take care….

[@vinsin328]

You should join such a school. Muslims have no right to force their views on schools that don't support that through Taquiya.

[@abdullahozek8016]

I think it is your responsibility to ensure your children are aware of their faith and the environment they live in You must make them understand that diversity and allow them to gain the mental strength in their beliefs and religion and their interactions with their society

[@vinsin328]

Didn't get this? Why join such a school in the first place then? You can always change your school.

[@notmyname8750]

Imagine if this were Jews instead of Muslims. Do you think they would be treated the same?

[@raptorate2872]

Yes they would. Religion does not belong in the classroom.

[@notmyname8750]

@@raptorate2872 you obviously have a comprehension problem. No one is talking about forcing any religion in the classroom. We are talking about anti Muslim bigotry peddled by racists in school and government and the media. Do you agree or disagree that all people should be treated with respect and dignity? If this were the reverse and Egyptians treated Jews like this in society would you accept it as well? Because the majority of reasonable people wouldn't accept bigotry against anyone but apparently they do in Europe

[@vinsin328]

Yes, the ruling is for everyone. Kafirs believe in humanity.

[@magamohammed]

🙄🙄🙄🤥​@@raptorate2872

[@RollyBalondo]

are there white European muslims? so how come it be racism? it could be religiousm not racism.

[@ShakirahIbaad]

Because Islam has been racialised as ‘not white’ by the ‘colonialist western hegemony’, any discrimination against Muslims or hateful rhetoric against Islam is therefore Islamophobic and therefore racist. This does not include genuine debate or criticism of Islam or Muslims. Many Muslims are white, however Islam is perceived by ‘the west’ as the religion of Black and Brown people. This has been the case since early orientalists encountered Islam and framed Islam and Muslims as barbaric and inferior to Christianity and ‘western culture’. Therefore anti-Muslim hate/Islamophobia comes from the same place intellectually and emotionally as racism towards any other racialised group or religion.

[@vinsin328]

@@ShakirahIbaad So Muslims are not barbaric. By your logic, the West is against Hinduism, Jainism, Buddism, Sikhism, Taoism etc. Do Muslims support Kafirs?

[@blockingtheology5573]

Otooman empire colonized the white balkans for quite some time. So ywes lot's of white muslims from these regions. And islam is stil not a race and never will be.

[@NazBi752]

Assalaamualaikum wrwb Brilliant conversation - so much background information Subhanallah The conversation was just getting interesting towards the end - could’ve continued and advised on how to deal with the lack of platform in schools for a conversation regarding the Palestinians It was offered with the Ukrainian/Russian conflict - even counselling was offered

[@alib7489]

Secular fascism is here... Won't let children pray for five min

[@deepsareen1]

That is familiar refrain of Islamists who fail to integrate. They have option to go to near perfect Sharia compliant countries like Afghanistan.

[@MaryMcMullen-w8k]

There is no fascism, that is after life, school is day life.

[@ricardotelmofernandes9552]

Playing victim...Islamists are good at it!

[@deepsareen1]

@@MaryMcMullen-w8k Islam is the Fascism that continues in afterlife ...

[@overoscar1788]

@@ricardotelmofernandes9552 Do you condemn etnic cleaning of muslims by z*nists? or are the zios " oh so poor" victims according to you?

[@yabiggalla]

Dr Amina Sharief, Goldsmith University and Cambridge University: thats quite the orthodox, Western education. As regards the schoolgirl, I'm sure it was stated she was the one pursuing it and now it's apparently the parents. And isn't she still at the school?

[@mohammedsahor]

And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger and fears Allah and is conscious of Him - it is those who are the attainers ~ Qur’an 24:52

[@raptorate2872]

so the palestinians are attaining . . . cool

[@موسى_7]

The last part of the video is silly. Yes, Muslim countries are imperfect and you still need to focus on educating your children correctly in Muslim countries, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't migrate. In Muslim countries it's difficult to raise children because of Western influence. In the West, it's impossible, because not only is Western philosophy in possession of soft power like it has in Muslim countries, but Western philosophy also has popular support and the law behind it. You think Sunday school is enough for Muslim children to do well in the West? Have you not heard about the British government closing down mosqued? One in Maida Vale called ICE was shut down by the government, but the people prayed outside it for some time and they allowed it to re-open after a few months.

[@VerdaderaReligion]

I'm with you. There's a lot of bias because the muslims that live in western countries always find excuses not to leave. It's obvious that muslim countries are 100% better in every metric except wealth. And even if those countries only excel in number of believers and mosques that's better than wealth, because you develop your faith.

[@tylerr-zj8ou]

@@VerdaderaReligion" 100% better in every metric execpt wealth" lmao the delusion... even the cope In this video is nonsense muslims In the west face about 2% of the levels of discrimination non muslims face in many muslim majority countires 😂😂😂

[@موسى_7]

​@@tylerr-zj8ou In Iran and Oraq, Non-Muslims are treated with utmost hospitality. Turkey too. The Armenian genocide isn't modern; it was before the Holocaust.

[@tylerr-zj8ou]

@Moses_VII iran doesn't even treat muslims well there, killing women for not wearing hijabs..... or is that the kind of society you're fantasising about?

[@tylerr-zj8ou]

@@موسى_7 turkey (which is stolen land) demolishes churches and turns them into mosques.....

[@besim3916]

Great talk, masha'Allah. I just worry about postmodern influence in pushing against a "white curriculum" instead of simply focusing on the main problem of the UK trying to label standard Islamic belief (and possibly other religious beliefs) as extremism and passing laws to criminalize traditional beliefs and practices. No matter which country in the world you go to, much of its education system will be centered around the culture and people of that country. Do we think that educational systems in countries like China, Brazil, Indonesia, Mexico, Jordan, etc won't disproportionately focus on their local history and the historical people and that any immigrants to those society would feel slightly alienated? Of course they do and of course immigrants to those areas will naturally feel alienated at least a bit. Much of British history (same with American, Canadian, Australian, etc.) will be centered around white Christians. If we spend time fighting that, we lose credibility with many and divert our attention from the main issue. An Italian living in Qatar shouldn't be upset if Qatari history predominates the educational system vs Italian history, despite Italy playing a greater role in major events in history. It would simply be up to the parents of such kids to instill the values and beliefs they want to pass down and not leave it up to the government they are living in to teach our unique beliefs and values. 41:37: I think the point you mention here is great in regards to the need of Muslims to actively educating their own kids, but at the same time also negates your argument that the standard curricula are racist by design. If homeschooling and Islamic education is imparting a "strong sense of your history, your past, your contribution" to children and "doesn't mean you will necessarily become a supremacist of your culture" (which I agree with) and then by extension having an Ango-centric education shouldn't do that to UK's kids.

[@greendragonspirit1646]

What's wrong with praying during their break time? I thought that they wanted to praying during lessons and that's why people are making a big deal out of it. British schools are sh!t anyway.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

British education is one of the finest in the world. 20 from 81 ranked in Math, Science & Reading. Not bad when some o9f the better ranked are tiny eg. Ireland, Macao and estonia. Top Muslim country is Turkey at 36. And they are a secular Westernised NATO country.

[@MI-vc9lp]

​@@ankhmorpok1497I've been to British schools. All they do is teach for exams.

[@موسى_7]

​@@MI-vc9lp depends on the school

[@londonoxfordstreet]

❤❤❤ very well said

[@ameia1287]

Returning to a Muslim Majority country is not a solution. Most Muslim majority countries are not operating through a perspective of Islam and not ingrained in Quran and Sunna. The educational institutes operated by Muslims needs to provide a 'tawheedic' education. A very important discussion.

[@ShukriAbdulle-w6u]

How does successfully muslim countries like Saudi Arabia,Emirates look a newly qualified young person eg from western countries/ other equally good muslim countries diploma we all know the problem is not the westerner but ourselves each of us should question him/herself and decolonize ourselves, and how equally are muslim countries towards Muslims of different race ,I don't want my child learn about those muslim countries we are in Britain and so should she learn about the society she lives in which is Britain and not Saudi Arabia who closed the doors on muslim refugee we should start changing our country before UK its fine as its

[@normskyyanwell4872]

You're all missing the point as is the respected sister. This is not a Muslim country.. Their values and their promotion. There are independent schools that Muslims can make easily. Yet Muslims still beg non Muslims and blame them for putting their values on Muslims. Is schools are hostile then make your own. If you can't do that then stop crying.. You have a chance so why not take it?

[@shamon24]

excellent guest, please have her come on again

[@elara2498]

I think this issue is being driven out of proportion. Imagine in Saudi Arabia , they allow construction of few temples or churches for the minorities there. Now if the minority demands these churchservice or temple worship inside public places like schools or hospitals, then saudi will not allow that. Ideally everyone should be accomodated and offered ease of Religion but in the world we are living now, it is not practical for muslims to demand such things in west. If you really want that much ease, you can choose the islamic countries to settle down

[@manhoosnick]

French society : Hold my khanzeer..

[@AimForSuccess.S]

This is a very good video thank you for posting this. However, this is not the only subject that is affecting our children the schools of today are teaching children about two mummies and two daddies. As parents, we need to be very careful and make sure that we are teaching our children the truth because these schools I strongly believe will corrupt the minds of our children and destroy families. This type of nasty information will create curiosity in children. Curiosity leads to Action and action leads to destruction.

[@jahithalil4097]

Although I agree with her analysis of prevent and its racist Outlook towards Muslims, HOWEVER the UK is a secular state with secular institutions.

[@tofurakhanom2644]

Wth is wrong with people keep it home or send your children to private schools pay for it not government school.

[@blockingtheology5573]

So how many different faiths would we have in a school with 100 pupils and how many prayer rooms for these faiths would be needed?

[@shanewilson2484]

This is a school founded by a woman of Indian ancestry and is very strict compared to typical western schools. That is why so many Muslims want to send their kids there. I predict that most Muslims will continue to send their kids to the school and NOT send their kids to a normal english state school where they can engage in group prayer at lunchtime.

[@maysmile1272]

Please always say Palestinian or the country in conflict, don't generalise it to Muslims. When there is a conflict in Ukraine and Russia no one says christian lives. So please be precise. Thanks

[@hbpw857]

Nope your hostile to uk children

[@catpyjamas]

I would definitely be all for moving back to Muslim countries, but good luck finding one that isn't in war (western colonialism at work) or with ridiculous laws that make it impossible to ever get a residence permit there. Otherwise yeah, if you have the privilege to move to somewhere like Turkey, great, but good luck with that. Turkey's laws by the day are getting more and more oppressive towards immigrants. Really I'm not seeing that there is a place in the world today where a Muslim can live with any degree of stability, a "normal" life where you don't have to keep moving or have trash laws forced on you every other weekend. But then I guess that's just this dunya all over again, not really a permanent residence.. Also jazakumullahu khair for yet another great podcast, I would say you guys are some of the most important Muslim sources of thought on the internet today. Really just humbled by your efforts.

[@موسى_7]

So many people I know moved to Iraq, Lebanon, and Egypt from UK and USA. We prefer the economic struggles and safety struggle in Muslim countries over the struggle for the hearts and minds of our children and ourselves.

[@ankhmorpok1497]

@@موسى_7 are you on drugs? Thousands of people from these Muslim countries are risking their lives on small boats to get to Britain.

[@MI-vc9lp]

​@@raptorate2872What's wrong with you? When Muslims are in the UK, you tell us ro get lost, when we leave you become weirdly offended. Also, the migrant crisis started directly because of the West and Israel. Google the 'Yinnon Plan'.

[@موسى_7]

​@@raptorate2872 Those people coming in boats may be greater in number, but they're weaker in heart. They are different from their brethren returning home.

[@موسى_7]

​@@ankhmorpok1497 Thousands are risking their lives to go to UK, but I'm talking about the tens or even hundreds who are doing the reverse.

[@0404aah]

That is why it is very important to have an Islamic school even on weekends which promote muslim values and inform pupils about Islamic history and success

[@jankaufmann4305]

Say no to Islam in Europe. Islam is causing many problems in Europe. Look at germany, look at sweden, look at Londostan. Need to follow the netherlands.

[@faisalak7]

This is brilliant,

[@Turnpainhopegain]

An inconvenience truth.. Muslims should take action.

[@Richard77Mecca]

Great debate. Very good point is that Dr. Amina mentioned and address the whole issue of point of view as an epistemological matter, lit. "Quranic epistemology". For that it seems Islamic thinking (not the show) is contra-postmodernism (just as postmodernism was defined by Jean-François Lyotard). Thanks & baraka for your work! Peace

[@damirkozlica1709]

Muslims should take care of their countries. We should take care of our economies. We should shut the waterways for our enemies from Morocco to Indonesia.

[@TheDragonaf1]

"Prevent has defined extreamsism as against western values but now the ideology against democratic systems".

[@Deen41]

Why are they against kids praying? While it takes them less than 10 minutes.

[@Azda-emina]

I wish i was friends with this woman and we could drink coffee and talk

[@hameratahir]

me and my brothers were always picked on at school. Yet as kids, you never answered the teachers back!

[@abdullahozek8016]

Verdict ------------ In the case of the muslimah girl who wanted to pray in her school break and has taken the matter to her school principals . Islamic verdict is ; She was wrong to ask permissions to her British School authorities and her parents who have taken this case to a British Court were wrong. They are seeking judgement from thagut ---------- Worshippers of Allah who are Muslims do not go to the Thagut for judgement neither they worship the Thagut . And they do not bring partners to Allah and therefore they associate no partner to Allah. The Glorious Qur'an teaches that the Muslims do not ask permissions from the People of the Book for their religious practice. The child lives and studies in the environment of the People of the Book and she is not informed about this by her parents who are unaware of it themselves and their Muslim community. They do not know neither follow the Qur'an neither the Sunnah

[@why78536]

Mashallah Dr. Amina Shareef is so knowledgeable. Great discussion.

[@dawoodwaris]

She is full of BS BOLLOCKS.

[@76652-j]

Brazilian schools doesn't differ

[@mariam4610]

Perhaps a stupid question but why is she asking if she can pray in school time, as long as she doesnt do during the class, they vant really interfere or am I wrong? i'm not a UK citizen

[@موسى_7]

In the past, you were right. Now it changed for a strange reason.

[@90chestnut]

Unfortunately they do. Also if you are demanded to go outside for certain breaks or if you are in a crowded classroom praying can be quite challenging. All the schools would have to do is provide a small room for prayer and have a teacher oversee it.

[@assiyaq4346]

Definitely. Right from Primary school.

[@abdullahozek8016]

In the verdict of the case of the girl who wanted to pray in her school break From an islamic perspective the Muslimah girl was wrong to ask the British School for her prayer You do not ask permissions in religious practice from the People of the Scripture if you are a Muslim Believer Hence you are not following the Qur'an and the Sunnah

[@sajadazaman9384]

What exactly are western values? Working all week and then spending the week ing drinking and partying. I’ve not yet seen a proper explanation of western values.

[@HaleyChain-vw8rr]

Human rights for starters

[@ShakirahIbaad]

@@HaleyChain-vw8rr 😂 you really think the ‘west’ truly upholds human rights? One of which freedom to practice your religion (including the freedom for children to practice their religion). Even basic human rights and democracy have never truly and fully been upheld.

[@HaleyChain-vw8rr]

@@ShakirahIbaad compared to Muslim countries 'yes And this about preventing practice of religion in schools , public place, not wholesale practice of religion anywhere.

[@vinsin328]

@@ShakirahIbaad Yes, there are no apostasy laws and forced conversions are not allowed. People can mock Jesus religiously. They do not break religious places to make another.

[@omdslacey]

Well said. We deliberately took our kids to Egypt and showed where first paper is made. Muslim innovation is important National history museum has all the things muslims have invented.

[@naeembanday6595]

This new direction pointed by the court’s decision and the redefinition of Religious values/Islamic Values in the new bill…. As the sister suggests is designed to change the goal posts ONCE-again. This is where political influence and direction is coming into play….and is moving this country towards an intolerant one with no place for anything Other than Western Liberalism. We can see the breakdown of our western society all around us, and the gross exploitation in the name of LIBERALISM, a word which basically takes out All reference to any Religion and gives subjective morality - which essentially means every one decides what is right or wrong and their is NO OBJECTIVE MORALITY… This liberal view and ideology is thus pushing us as a society closer to the animals, who do not have our capacity and capability, and so far from freeing us is equating us to Animals and no more-only catering to our own whims and desires without regard to how it effects us, society, the environment, our relationship with the rest of the world and humanity…… A society needs objective rules, it needs to stand up for values and principles that benefit us ALL rather than a few. Religion provides such a way and gives direction to all who follow its guidance…this should be encouraged rather than discouraged…. The ONLY-religion that provides such direction and keeps you on the straight and narrow in a very balanced way is Islam, it is everyone’s benefactor and should be studied and questioned (as it asks it if it’s readers) to see the sublime beauty and strength that it’s message and guidance provides…. Take care

[@besim3916]

38:41: great definition and discussion on secularism. The government reducing the scope of religious teaching and values by definition is no neutral but actively managing an anti-religious program.

[@jim-es8qk]

Stop flash mobbing them then!!

[@sofiagold4255]

This was very fascinating, however, there weren't any solutions put forward to at least try and combat this blatant systemic racism by the state.