The Connections Between Until Dawn and The Quarry

Over the weekend I played The Quarry, and what I mean by I played it I mean on the weekend I mean I sat down for ten hours and played the entire game in one sitting. I was so captivated by the story and all the decisions I could make, and to me, The Quarry was absolutely a worthy successor to Until Dawn.
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[@mickeyveach3612]

My only complaint about the werewolves is that they look too similar to the wendigos for me

[@joeycat1000]

Same here……They should have went with the classic werewolves and make them more scarier

[@StatiCRjm]

They did that on purpose by trying to cash in on that Until Dawn nostalgia

[@mickeyveach3612]

@@StatiCRjm I doubt that

[@kevinmalone584]

Not at all tf?

[@ghostdragon5735]

I get what you mean about how they look like the wendgo but it’s a different take on the werewolf versus the big furry monster. There are some illustrations that have the werewolf look exactly like they are in the game

[@thestitchwithsami]

There was one other small Until Dawn reference: When you're listening to the podcast during the credits, about 3/4 of the way through, Grace goes "IT'S JUST A PRANK, ANTON."

[@Frenny1408]

It was just a prank, Han!!

[@GendoRokabundi]

In the podcast that was actually released as hype, they make a passing reference to Wendigo as possible cryptid in the woods.

[@b1uezer]

For me The Quarry didn't handle the "mystery" and fear factor as well as Until Dawn did, and that makes it second to me. Until Dawn does a really good job at keeping the player guessing as to what the main threat is, by intertwining Josh and the Wendigo to make it really feel like you were being tortured and tested by this omni-present, demented hack-n-slasher. It really lets the anxiety and curiosity build as you uncover clues relevant to the "real" threat. In the Quarry, the Werewolves are introduced way too early to give the player time to question what really is going on. The Hackett family was pretty under utilized too, and their actions never really sold that they were out to "get" the kids (even though the game makes it that way). I never really felt like I was against something I didn't understand, and that's crucial to a good scare in a horror game. Also the werewolves look way more Nosferatu-inspired rather than something I'd recognize as lycan-like, and that really bugged me.

[@axelNodvon2047]

Yeah until dawn really handled keeping things mysterious til later well

[@EthanIrizarry]

Beautifully put! Also Until Dawns atmosphere was so much more chilling than the Quarry’s!

[@minersheep8285]

Yeah I definitely have to agree. When I first played Until Dawn, that game was SCARY as hell on top of being an amazing thriller experience. The Quarry was great, although I don’t think “scary” or “thrilling” is the right word to describe it. It’s more just an entertaining experience. It doesn’t have the same impact that Until Dawn did, but I guess that makes it special and I appreciate it for that.

[@b1uezer]

@Zach Donato I was saying that the game doesn't do a good job at making their encounters seem more dangerous than they are. We as players quickly realize they're trying to help the kids, so their sections in the game don't really serve much of a purpose other than padding imo and it could have been pushed further (i.e. they could have told the kids at any point they were trying to help, but chose not to because scary guys with guns are scary trope).

[@josemiojeda3286]

I agree with all these comments, until dawn had that special touch I wish could be recreated

[@cassie4343]

I think a good way they could've referenced until dawn is by having one of the characters bring up Josh, Hannah and Beth since their fate will be the same in everyone's gameplay (either dead or turned into a wendigo). They could've even done something small like have Ryan mention a story he heard on the podcast about the missing Washington siblings. Also, the dad was a famous movie director (I think) so the disappearance of his children would've been a pretty big news story.

[@thethriftytypewriter]

That would’ve been really great!

[@ultrabigfella]

It could have been super minor too like having a movie the Dad directed somewhere. I just think why were afraid to connect things.

[@HarukaLPs]

IMO, Until Dawn was definitely better, but Quarry was a very worthy successor, the best game Supermassive has made since Until Dawn (even though half my characters died lmao)

[@Iceman5506]

I killed Abigail cause I didn’t shot Nick, Max cause I swimmed across and Kaitlyn cause the game bugged and despite I shot Caleb in Chapter 10 it didn’t count

[@irini03]

@@Iceman5506 i got kaitlyn killed the same way! i swear i shot caleb but it didn’t work, makes me feel better knowing it was a possible glitch lol

[@ripvanishh4723]

I only killed max when I swam to shore and Nick when Laura shot him

[@StatiCRjm]

Nah, That Dark Pictures game with Ashley Tisdale is way better than The Quarry

[@ripvanishh4723]

@@StatiCRjm nah bro Dark Pictures we’re not that good

[@user-op6kt8pg9y]

I'm ngl the werewolves look a bit too similar to the wendigos to me especially silas, I hope in the future they tie the game universe together by having all the creatures be similar related creatures but not exactly the same thing like cousins. Also they couldve mentioned until dawn in the games podcast

[@brianachim2670]

Agreed

[@charliegrannell1146]

Yeah I tough from the moment the podcast came up they would say so thing like oh this reminds me of the mount Washington inceddent a couple years back

[@charliegrannell1146]

Yeah I tough from the moment the podcast came up they would say so thing like oh this reminds me of the mount Washington inceddent a couple years back

[@brianachim2670]

@@charliegrannell1146 That would of been cool, I think Until Dawn is canon in their world but because it was 5-10 years ago it's forgotten about.

[@roguerambles4387]

I felt the same, tbh. I kind of feel like if everyone hadn’t been running around yelling “omg werewolves” I wouldn’t have thought they were werewolves 😅

[@valoreVii]

The clown mask from the jumpscare car in Until Dawn (and the rails Until Dawn game as well) can be found by Emma in the locked room in the food storage (i think). Where Jacob and Emma go looking for beer, and used to try to scare Jacob. So in the way that the same product line is in both, I think its safe to assume they are in the same universe.

[@t3ch5upp0rt8]

That's definitely just more of an easter egg if not just a reused asset. Obviously fine if you just wanna use that for a sort of head canon though

[@valoreVii]

They also mention Wendigos in chapter 2 of The Quarry. So, with that and the mask being used, I feel like they are the same universe. Kaitlyn's comment (not saying this about proof of being in the same universe) about the ski lodge. That I can see as a large nod/easter egg to Until Dawn.

[@charliegraham2789]

It's the most basic scary clown mask design imo

[@iiluca]

I think kaitlyn also makes a reference like “what if w were stuck in a cabin in a snowstorm” or something, refencing until dawn

[@daniel-mp3]

@@iiluca that kaitlyn must be a big fan of until dawn

[@Deathtimeproductions]

I Loved the Quarry But The Plot Twists in Until Dawn is Hard to Beat

[@h3llboyyy407]

yeahhhhhh SO TRUE. Until Dawn had the whole Josh thing which was huge , the hunter being a protector and trying to save them in the intro and later on , Jess still being alive after the crash , Mike being smart lol , the whole ouija board situation and the reveal that it's all movie props set up by someone . It just had so many huger plot twists fr.

[@TheMurrmursonbottle]

why are you typing your comment out like it’s a book title? you have to go out of your way to hold down the shift key extra times and it’s not even correct

[@tidxlu7595]

@@TheMurrmursonbottleYou capitalize any copyrighted titles even if it’s just shows/ movies/ games

[@TheMurrmursonbottle]

@@tidxlu7595 no shit but literally every noun verb and adjective in the comment is capitalized, it’s illiterate

[@darrinharris373]

The wendigo and the warewolves look just alike. But the wendigos move a lot differently

[@robertgronewold3326]

Yeah, the werewolves had a definite beast movement, where the wendigos were like stop motion figures. So creepy.

[@avrie6668]

Some other comment gave a head cannon that the werewolves were a cousin to the wendigos that there's humanoid creatures feeling cannibalistic almost on every corner of the world

[@kyliew99]

When The Quarry was being promoted, I didn’t realise it was a ‘spiritual’ successor to Until Dawn and so I thought it was a direct sequel. So the whole time I was watching a play through, I was completely convinced that the main lodge was a renovated version of Josh’s cabin. Things like the basement bunker were so similar, and I was really waiting for The Sanatorium to show up, or something else to confirm a direct connection. So when that didn’t happen I was obviously confused and then discovered they have no direct connection! Amazing video as always 🥳🥳

[@thethriftytypewriter]

Haha that would’ve been really cool if that’s what it was! And thank you!

[@jasongreen6826]

Until dawn took place on a giant snowy mountain and the only way to get to it was by cable car😂

[@kyliew99]

@@jasongreen6826 haha yeah the more I watched the more I realised that defo wasn’t the case.. but also I kept telling myself that because it turned into a quarry the landscape could’ve changed + it definitely would look super different in winter and summer!!

[@azizkaraulov6872]

I remember when Man of Medan and Little Hope was made people didmt like that everything was delusion. While none appreciated when real monsters appeared when House of Ashes made. But Until Dawn was first with real monsters

[@robertgronewold3326]

Until Dawn as set in Alberta Canada, and the Quarry is in upstate New York.

[@emmah7019]

I feel like they made the werewolf thing very obvious, with the full moon taking up the whole screen every second and other obvious clues, whereas the wendigos were such a unsuspecting turn in until dawn, completely caught everyone off guard.

[@munkayttaja6913]

Average player on the first playthrough doesn't pay attention to that. Like myself, I didn't notice/pay attention to any full moon and didn't know what the threat was until later. Also bc of werewolves they would have to have the full moon, with wendigos they didn't need anything like that

[@Kaytoonz_]

I feel like a game about scuba divers swimming around in the ocean would be soo cool. Killer mermaids or the octopus thing are both terrifying. Yeah a horror based story game involving the ocean is a billion dollar idea to me 😍

[@roguexxrenegade]

Man of Medan: am I just a joke to you?

[@malcolmparker8376]

Subnautica: Oh, so just screw my feelings, right?

[@samanthapalker1476]

@@roguexxrenegade man of Medan could have been so much better imo

[@roguexxrenegade]

@@samanthapalker1476 You’re right, tbh I think it takes way too long to pick up. And then the ‘twist ending’ just makes the game feel so neutered. I like when the monsters are an *actual* physical threat, like The Quarry and Until Dawn.

[@luvb3g617]

THIS SEEMS BRILLIANT

[@oliviapanzica8833]

Both games are so well done! I will say Until Dawn has the better scares, a kickass ending and the better villains, whereas I think The Quarry has better and more developed characters, a better plot and I love how the smallest choices can change the course of the plot giving you so many endings. As someone who scares easily, I personally prefer the quarry since I feel I can enjoy it more without being too scared to move on.

[@francisdelrey]

Just Mike as a character beats all of the characters in The Quarry, tbh. Haha

[@oliviapanzica8833]

@@francisdelrey personally I like Laura as a lead better then Mike, although I do really like Mike’s character

[@eriksen6312]

I think this was perfectly said!

[@kiera-tf1xd]

to me the scares in until dawn were kinda eh bc there was a few good ones then the build up to the scare is obvious and it just feels like cheap jumps scares one after another until the end🤨 but imo until dawn > the quarry story wise and character wise

[@brianachim2670]

The wendigo design in the first game was scary and awesome but them copy and pasting it in The Quarry was lazy. I wanted Van Helsing werewolves not bald werewolves

[@silverloveguns]

they reminded me of the werewolf in harry potter

[@Cinedragon]

Yes! Van Helsing werewolves are some of the best werewolf designs out there! Or a design similar to the one in An American Werewolf in London. Though I prefer werewolves to be bipedal to give them more of that hybrid look.

[@brianachim2670]

@@Cinedragon Same, the bipedal ones from Van Helsing are my all time favorite designs because they look like total beasts that can tear you in half easily.

[@oFFiCiaLBricks]

I think they made the wolves look the same so you couldn’t tell if it was the counselors or one of the Hacketts while making life or death decisions. But the werewolves definitely could have been designed better. 👍🏻

[@ok393]

I personally liked the werewolves. I just thought the fact that they were bald made them unique and scary/more monster-like in a way, which makes up for most of the lack of horror to feel during the game (and in my opinion Van Helsing werewolves look too much like furries)

[@skylerokeymow4219]

lmao love how Brenda Song’s character isn’t even referenced as Kaitlyn in The Quarry. It’s just London Tipton. 😂😂

[@simplyshelbs16]

I died 🤣🤣

[@patr0chilles]

I loved the characters in the quarry, and the acting and chemistry between the characters. My biggest gripe has to be Laura and Ryan, I hate how the rest of the characters literally just disappear and are rarely playable in the last 3-4 chapters. That and the ending

[@grimai3257]

Hard agree. Nick barely had any screentime and I think that he could've been a lot more interesting if they didn't lock him into transforming in chapter 5. Jacob also barely does anything, even though he's the one who broke the van in the first place. Emma and Abi do a bit more than those two, but they still barely do anything. That really disappointed me because I really liked their dynamic, but if they both live until Dylan and Kaitlyn go to the scrapyard they're banished to the storm shelter for the rest of the game. It was also confusing that they built up a potential relationship between Dylan/Kaitlyn and Ryan but then immediately threw it out when Ryan leaves with Laura.

[@dee-dr7kt]

grimai jacob got the matt treatment

[@munkayttaja6913]

​@@grimai3257Nick is supposed to be like Hannah and her sister of Until Dawn. Not hardly playable at all but important to the game. Laura and Max despite being the proluge characters have bigger roles, well Laura mostly

[@scribblekitty__]

one of the things i noticed finishing the game is they referenced until dawn through dialogue most of the time. during the ending of the game the podcast that ryan was listening to at the start of the game references it through dialogue by saying “it was just a prank anton!” referencing emily from the start of until dawn saying, “it was just a prank han!” and a lot more.

[@cathackzz]

something i also noticed near the beginning of the game where emma is vlogging jacob trying to lockpick through a door is she says something about growing ravenous and having to eat the flesh of the deceased (or something along those lines). i thought that could be a cool little reference to ud

[@bigmac3524]

I think the quarry's got a better story and all but I really liked the interactiveness with the PS4 controller with Until Dawn, like you had to use the touch pad, the light bar and all that whereas the quarry just has moving your joystick a different direction and button mash X or A which is pretty lame

[@milkishouse4404]

The fault in that is until dawn was a direct Sony release only. If they wanted to they could've made it the same but they'd have to do a lot of cutting on other markets for consoles.

[@munkayttaja6913]

Until Dawn is ps exclusive, the quarry isn't. So it'd be hard to use all the mechanics of the ps controller bc what would they use on other platforms where touchpad etc. Don't exist

[@robertgronewold3326]

The main way they can tie games like this together is by having certain world elements that repeat. For example, say in the next game you had the characters walk into a convenience store, and there is a shelf with bags of Peanut Butter Butter Pops, and then a magazine rack with news on the latest films from Washington Productions. Little nods, but nothing that would break the previous games.

[@iTzReloadedLeaguexD]

So a few things, I personally felt like Until Dawn was much scarier to play through, there were multiple sections in that game I was afraid to go into different rooms and It just felt way more eerie. In the Quarry, they introduced the main threat too early, and didn't leave much room for imagination to run wild like you could in Until Dawn with Josh and the Wendigos. Finally, I think the Werewolf design was too similar to Wendigos, it felt like the same villain. With all that being said, I definitely still liked playing the Quarry, and its a close second, but I say Until Dawn beats it.

[@tuno5588]

Something I enjoyed the most is how well-written the characters are in this game compared to Until Dawn. It's blatantly obvious that the devs took feedback from Until Dawns character writing and improved it drastically.

[@ultrabigfella]

They perfectly walked the line between real teen awkwardness and sarcasm and movie awkwardness and sarcasm. Sets it apart from Until Dawn, Life is Strange, etc.

[@john10minutesago15]

It still kind of flops in terms of storytelling though. Until Dawn's narrative is still a bit better

[@wholethedogsout880]

Yeah until dawn characters were all stereotypes

[@jasongreen6826]

Bro what, there’s a line where one character literally says “you look and smell like a butt” I loved the game but at least 50% of the dialogue was bad

[@Nebulous_Neuhaus]

None of the characters in The Quarry are as pitiable as Josh. None of the characters in The Quarry are as developed as Mike. None of the characters in The Quarry are as fierce and funny as Emily.

[@grimai3257]

I like Until Dawn, but for some reason I love The Quarry way more. I felt much much more attached to the characters and the world building in The Quarry. I never really felt bad for most of the main characters in Until Dawn because they were all really mean to each other and because of the prank that got Hannah and Beth killed. I also had a hard time remembering and differentiating all the characters (granted, I haven't revisited Until Dawn since probably 2015). The Quarry on the other hand had very memorable characters and the dialogue was cringy but in a good way. It felt more natural and it was definitely funnier. The best part about this game in my opinion is the friendship dynamic between Dylan and Kaitlyn. Their personalities fit together perfectly and they have some of the best dialogue in the game in my opinion. I love the scrapyard scene as well. Laura and Max's relationship was also what got me so invested. I love Max's funny, laid back attitude and Laura is just such a badass. I feel like they definitely could've done something more with all of the other characters though, since Dylan, Kaitlyn, and Laura start to outshine them in the last half of the game. Whenever the POV would switch to someone besides those three, I'd often find myself wanting to get the segment over with so I could get back to the main reason I was playing. I will never understand why they didn't add a scene at the end where all the survivors meet up and talk, or a scene that at least says what happens to everyone at the end. And no, a podcast explaining all the collectibles I gathered doesn't count. The Quarry obviously has a lot of problems (plot holes and that dog shit ending) but I still love it so so much. It's probably in my top 4 favorite games of all time.

[@Monius13]

I think the connection could totally remain canon if they made The Quarry find your saved file for Until Dawn to see your choices/survivors in that game. I think even that would have been a cool touch. Either way, this was a really good game. Both games are really good and Supermassive hits a certain itch I have in gaming. I really love this style. Although, the dialogue could use some work sometimes lol

[@thethriftytypewriter]

The dialouge in Until Dawn and The Quarry didn't bother me too much besides a few times but the Dark Pictures Anthology games the dialogue was SO BAD.

[@john10minutesago15]

Im pretty sure Supermassive cant touch Until Dawn

[@fionaedwards9363]

but it wouldn't work to find the saved file because the quarry you can play on xbox but until dawn is PlayStation only :/

[@Monius13]

@@fionaedwards9363 That's a good point, yeah. FeelsBadMan

[@savy_le_mariee6268]

@@fionaedwards9363 i have the quarry on ps4 tho-

[@littleduck1514]

If you miss all the QTE's in the beginning part where Laura's running to get back to Max, theirs a new jumpscare from Eliza and with Laura so frightened and Max hearing Eliza behind him, he believes her about what she heard and saw

[@cuppycakey5013]

I agree with others that the ending of the Quarry really disappointed me, and the podcast ending was a major letdown. I loved that Until Dawn had the scare of the crazed maniac and wendigos, and we didn’t find out until the end. But I did love the Quarry and think it has a lot of replay value. They did a great job of having so many decisions that affect what happens. I loved that the first two characters we could actually play as and save them! It ALWAYS bothered me so much that we had no control over that in Until Dawn. Both are excellent games.

[@MrMuaythai84]

Character are annoying

[@danishmultichannel]

They also referenced Until Dawn in ome of the cartoon tutorials, at the end where the narrator talks ablut choices having consequenses, and then a butterfly lands on the sign, obviously refering to the butterfly effect that Until Dawn was hesvily based upon.

[@hermanporter1747]

Characters in the quarry were fun for a while but they never made u feel like u were in any danger so it took away scare elements and almost every monster u killed went down in one shot n the decisions were so easy I played everybody survived n werewolves died only and don’t even get me started on the character dialogue face palming to say the least

[@bestgradelearning9667]

even nick?

[@hermanporter1747]

@@bestgradelearning9667 wht ab nick his dialogue was cringey too

[@bestgradelearning9667]

@@hermanporter1747 no like did you kill him because you said you killed every werewolf

[@hermanporter1747]

@@bestgradelearning9667 ye by accident tho 😂

[@onIythepinks]

this is why teenagers love the quarry, they can relate to their cringy jokes and funny conversations but true horror fans will love until dawn. I don't want to see the characters having fun w each other, I want to see them having some sick and twisted revenge plans, jealousies and conflicts between each other. It's meant to be a scary game after all.

[@liddytheweeb]

Let’s be real, it was never going to live up to the magic of Until Dawn, but it’s still a good game

[@kayleegrace1171]

The Quarry was such an amazing game and I don't think I'll ever get over it but Until Dawn will always be number one in my heart 💙

[@brentonbarrong8569]

So trippy to hear Nancy Drew music playing in the background lol I love Her Interactive's Nancy drew series! Great to hear the amazing soundtracks put to good use to set the mood for this great video!

[@thethriftytypewriter]

No one ever recognizes the Nancy Drew music! I loved them as a kid glad to see someone appreciate them like I do!

[@JMTgpro]

I hope the next game will be a mix between the mystery of Until Dawn and the "infection" of this one. Something like the thing, where you have to discover who has been infected, while trying to prevent your characters from getting infected. The creature can be zombie or alien...

[@brianachim2670]

Can you imagine if Supermassive games did a walking dead game? I would love that so much.

[@Zapper-Zac]

Supermassive games are also making a series called The Dark Pictures Anthology And people think one of the parts in the series could be a zombie related scenario

[@Zapper-Zac]

And by people I mean Just me I think

[@another5669]

@@Zapper-Zac yep, it is gonna happen, its called winterfold

[@briancatoni7000]

House of ashes is my favourite, I can't think of a single moment in the quarry that even touched Jason and Salim's dynamic/arc(the closest was the scrap yard scene but I feel like it's ruined by the characters inability to put two and two together about the van sabotage)

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

House of ashes is my favourite so far. The mystery and the horror was absolutely great. Until dawn and the quarry are great games. Though for until dawn I only liked 3 people in the game as for the quarry great story and likeable characters just wasn't much mystery until you truly found out who caused the curse

[@briancatoni7000]

@@noctisluciscaelum211 and I gotta say the creature design just had so much more thought put into it, like the sound design alone knocks your socks off and I know people get all dismissive because simply not originating on earth equals bad for some reason but even if someone isn't into that twist they'd have to admit that a lot of care went into the lore/world building and I just don't feel like as much creativity went into the werewolves Like we know that the chemicals that coat the vampires and make them damage resistant is also responsible for their weaknesses to sunlight but the werewolves are vunreble to silver because? I mean maybe there's something but from what I can tell it's just because it's a thing and I feel like the hoa writers would have at least put in the effort to have a creative explanation as to why it's a thing

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

@@briancatoni7000 exactly like we never k new how the curse actually started. Okay we know who started it but how did they do it. Also why just silver bullets. Why not a silver sword or any weapon. Plus could everyone just fully wait till night time to capture Silas and keep him held captive until the next full moon. so annoying.

[@uspaint]

Until dawn and then house of ashes for me. The Quarry is good but the other two are on another level.

[@Ambertrine]

@@noctisluciscaelum211 Silver bullets is a reference to werewolf lore if I had take a guess.

[@pashtunpathan4271]

i think they focused too much the branching than the actual main story, which left a satisfying ending very dependent on specific choices. I honestly like until dawn more, even though there’s less branching, because it comes together with a satisfying ending no matter what choices you make(unless you kill everyone rip)

[@tobykiely5105]

Honestly this is a really interesting point and something I've been thinking about for a while, I can seriously appreciate the amount of variation and different outcomes that can happen in the quarry, but I probably would have sacrificed that for an overall more satisfying ending.

[@ucbrowser2447]

Next one could be many things. The terrain would be however, influenced by the mythological creatures. I think they'd addresses a different biome next, they've done forest and cold mountains. Next does seem to point to tropical as you say, maybe sirens. If so, maybe a diving team with some people their teaching gets stranded in an island and have to find a way home? Also a pattern between UD and TQ is that the monsters mutated from humans influenced by a curse. So that *should* carry over

[@MacCormickCave]

6:33 _"London Tipton"_ 😆 *I liked the joke. It's interesting that no matter how many characters, how many movies or series (or even video game) these actors play during their career, they will always have THAT CHARACTER imprinted in everyone's memory. Like Ashley Tisdale, in 'House of Ashes', several people commenting on the "Sharpay Evans character", the "Disney Star" (reference to 'HSM'). Or in 'Until Dawn', with the character of Hayden Panettierre, which everyone commented "save the cheerleader" (from the series 'HEROES'). Or the actress Meaghan Martin, who played "Jessica", everyone talked about 'Camp Rock' (the movie she was the villain). Although, Brenda Song was also a Disney star.* 💕

[@CJ_1406]

What I like about The Quarry is that the curse has a reason why and how it started. Unlike Until Dawn where the curse just somehow exist. But I do agree that The Quarry need some sort of aftermath/conclusion scene.

[@Becksnnc]

The game explains how the curse exists, you just have to do some piecing together. When you find all the totems there is a video that plays explaining how it all began.

[@CJ_1406]

Oh sorry, you're correct. But still the thing is, the werewolf curse can be broken and guaranteed that it will never come back again. Unlike for the wendigo curse, the Makkapitew (correct me if I spelled it wrong) or the first wendigo can just possess another person who resorted to cannibalism (which is hard considering the mountain is possibly closed by the authorities but still possible).

[@seanmahoney4417]

Played the Quarry without knowing what until dawn was. Loved it. Then bought Until Dawn and thought that was also very good. Think I much preferred the setting in the quarry though, the best graphics I’ve seen on PS5 so far

[@92GoldenGirl92]

Great video! I love that you have Nancy Drew music playing for this haha. 2 of my favorite game series mashed together ❤️

[@xsomili5501]

Until Dawn was my childhood. And The Quarry which i recently played was a HELL of a GREAT and fun experience for my friends and I. It was a group play where we took turns to play characters we chose and, ALL of us were immersed as hell. Skipped sleep to finish the game

[@MayoMike10]

I really wish that in the podcast Ryan was listening to made a reference or something to until dawn and that was the episode he was listening to

[@autumnpaquette138]

I would’ve loved a scene where Ryan’s podcast was talking about the lodge from until dawn

[@GendoRokabundi]

So far they have done a winter break at a chalet, and a summer camp, so following the theme … spring break on a tropical island/resort/cruise. Ticks the boxes of isolating teens in a remote area where no one would be looking for them for a period of time. To complete the seasons, fall gives Halloween as an obvious option, but Thanksgiving also works for a school break where people travel. In the latter case, maybe some friends remain on campus while most people leave to visit family. A remote boarding school, empty of most of the students and staff (perhaps they are even not supposed to stay there) can give that same isolation and creepiness.

[@bigdognuniff]

There are a few more connections. Like Mike and jess thought they were being chased by bears in until dawn which becomes a running gig in the quarry. Emma can find a clown mask that looks like joshes clown mask. Chris in until dawn calls gym glass climbing class when talking to Sam and Dylan compares teaching Ryan how to run the radio hut to climbing class.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

One thing I noticed was when you’re exploring the old quarry there are things about how the Hacketts had been mining it but then suddenly stopped for no apparent reason and announced they would be allowing the quarry to flood and nature to reclaim it. To me that sounds like they may have had a similar situation to the mine in Until Dawn where the mining operation disturbed nature and created a curse, but the Hacketts tried to break the curse by returning the area to a natural state while the mine owner in Until Dawn just evacuated.

[@jaydenlobbe7911]

8:11 They already kinda did Vampires in House of Ashes, but they were also Aliens for some reason, it's weird

[@thethriftytypewriter]

If they picked one or the other, the story could be great, and the monsters terrifying

[@briancatoni7000]

@@thethriftytypewriter they didn't need to tho, just because they're not from earth doesn't mean they're bad and I'm gonna be real those vampires had a hell of a lot more thought put into them than the quarry's werewolves

[@williamhououin]

Interesting video! I played both I really got more invested in until Dawn. I felt it was more scary and the characters were more interesting to me. Loved the quarry tho :)

[@BrokTheLoneWolf]

The amount of jump scares in until dawn is insane. I don’t even remember one jump scare in The Quarry other than Dylan getting bite in the radio hut. It’s more of a brooding eerie feeling.

[@crazy_indian3921]

Your reference to Suite Life of Zack & Cody was funny 😅🤣

[@azzlackmadafackk2331]

NOT THE NANCY DREW MUSIC IN ZHE BACKGROUND I SWEAR TO GOD YOU HAD ME THINKING FOR MINUTES 😩😩😩

[@noble300000]

I guarantee Peanut Butter ButterPops will be showing up in either the Dark Pictures Anthology or whatever the next big SM title will be. I can think of no other reason for them making PBBP a thing and coming up with a jingle for them if they're not just gonna drop them in another title as a way to tie the whole universe together.

[@thethriftytypewriter]

That’s definitely a good theory!

[@lolbeech]

Love the Nancy drew game music in the background 😂

[@dustinfarronvt9999]

There is another reference/joke to until dawn in the end credits of the quarry where while the podcast is playing Grace says "It was just a prank, Anton"

[@kiralynshealy9581]

One of my most favorite gaming memories is staying up all night with a friend playing Until Dawn and miraculously keeping everyone alive. I have never felt more satisfied playing a game than I did watching all of the characters I grew to love escape that lodge. It remains one of the best games I’ve ever played despite the fact that I hate horror games. I was on the fence about this game as some people are being really critical of it. The most common complain I’ve heard is they dislike the characters and the dialogue. Honestly, I think cheesy dialogue and dumb characters are what make these games. It is a riff on generic horror movies after all. These people are supposed to get on your nerves at times. But what Until Dawn did well was they made you care about those characters anyway and made you try really hard to keep them safe. That’s what made it good. So if The Quarry can do that effectively then I see no reason why it is worse than Until Dawn. And I think people are trying too hard to compare the two of them and rank them when both can be good for different reasons. This video has convinced me to check it the Quarry out though. If it comes close to making me feel how I felt playing Until Dawn then it will be great. And I think the werewolves look just as terrifying as the wendigos were, and those guys legit haunted me lol. Sorry for the essay, nice video!

[@thethriftytypewriter]

I played both Until Dawn and The Quarry with my girlfriend over the course of one day/night and both experiences were on par with one another. Granted we played both games so spaced apart, so it's easier for us to have been so into The Quarry without comparing them because we were just focused on the story at hand. But I definitely think you should check it out!

[@trailer.prince]

my bff and i went out of our way to make sure we killed jessica right away LOL

[@trailer.prince]

i loved josh (and rami malik) so much tbh between his character and the memories that's prob why i love until dawn so much h but i have yet to play this one im exited

[@joshie4849]

From my experience the only Until Dawn connections I had were dialogue ones. There’s the one you mentioned with the ski lodge, but there was also a direct mention of wendigos and (I forgot who said this to who) the classic “it’s just a prank, Han!” line was worked in here too. Overall love The Quarry and can’t wait to play their upcoming game

[@caldadextra2063]

I mean I love connected universes as the next guy, but I also remember Brian Murphy trying to turn American Horror Storting into an interconnected universe, but that only resulted in him writing himself into a corner with Apocalypse. Now seasons like Double Feature have essentially railroaded whatever Lorre there might have been. Like, alien/human hybrids who secretly take over the world behind the scenes would have more than a tad bit of trouble doing so if pitted against both the Coven and the Warlock school. I mean, the Coven is basically just Xavier’s School for Gifted Youngsters…and in the comics those guys took down threats like fucking Galactus…who eats entire planets!

[@daylightduringdawn]

something also possibly hinting at until dawn is dylan mentions climbing classes in the radio hut which is josh and chris' duo name

[@idrawcats8898]

Good video!:D

[@Animorpha1]

The setting I’d love to see them to tackle is a small town or city setting which is a different kind of scary. But if done right it can be phenomenal.

[@karalynspeaks4267]

cool video I would have enjoyed an until dawn connection but its because i enjoy that game so much lol but yes the quarry was good i liked how everyone could turn into wolves as compared to until dawn only one of the sisters became a wendigo monster and maybe josh at the end

[@Madmonkeman]

A game like this with either Bigfoot, Mothman, Jersey Devil, or Aliens would be kind of cool.

[@giseIIes]

a game with the same style but on a cruise & dealing with mermaids/sirens/some kind of sea monster would be soooo fucking cool omg

[@SeyhawksNow]

The Quarry had one edge over Until Dawn that I especially enjoyed: characters. With Until Dawn, I probably only liked about three characters. The rest I REALLY didn't like enough that I felt okay with them dying. Compare this to the Quarry where every character had some quality that made me want to keep them alive to go through character growth and development as the game progressed.

[@piemaiprograms]

Kinda really want an evil mermaid game by them now.

[@Scotty2Hotty8682]

I didn’t know I needed a Bigfoot game in my life until today.

[@quantumAd]

i’ve always thought of a game like this but the super natural creature are sirens and they are trapped in a submarine underwater or something. but i’d like to see one with something like skins walkers so it’s really hard to tell who’s who

[@warezz1743]

I've watched the quarry two and a half times... Now I kinda want to be a camp councilor. Edit: really want to be a councilor now. Just want to be somewhere that is more than a foot above sea level.

[@707isnotfound]

Honestly I agree with everything you said! I loved the quarry slightly more because of the characters and the choices. The only thing i was sad about was the ending and it felt like the relationships were kinda pointless bc you don’t even find out anything other than they got arrested and the evidence you collected would acquit them but in Until Dawn the way you made the interactions between characters did affect the ending scene because they would talk about other characters in a good or bad way in the interview.

[@TheRunning2049]

When you mentioned the Kraken… all my early memories of playing God of War: Chains of Olympus came back

[@trix3042]

My only complaint abt the quarry is that the ending felt sorta rushed? its not a big problem but what i dont like most of the game is that you dont see what happens after, you just see who is alive and who isnt

[@rikkirollo1]

Until Dawn will be the ultimate classic title from Supermassive. I'm just going to say it right now, the chapter with Laura and Ryan sort of killed the game for me in a weird way, I'm not a huge fan of Ryan plus I didn't care enough about Laura to begin with which sort of made me lose interest in the story and the game overall. The Quarry was decent but it wasn't for me. I think I'll be saving my time when it comes to the trophies.

[@hodgeyfitness6058]

I'm hoping to get this for Christmas but I'm obsessed with the dark pictures Anthology series

[@teenietinytony]

the quarry has such an unsatisfying ending, but is SUCH a good game. i can't wait for until dawn to finally come out on steam so i can play it on pc and get to experience it too.

[@megarakadmea]

Pleased to hear the suite of Nancy Drew background music. Those games are more my speed but the Supermassive games are still fascinating.

[@XpertGreekGamer]

Before i start watching i think we're all biased when it comes to which is the beter game. Until Dawn was the first of its kind, i'm not counting the games made by that team that made heavy rain or whatever other mediocrity. Until Dawn's cover art alone has simply more atmosphere, style and is just iconic. Same can be said for the Quarry tbh but to a lesser extent, one extra thing that MADE Until Dawn was the don't move feature. Nough said. Sony has a lot to do with the success of their IP's, it was Supermassive games best game thanks to Sony's "assistance", Bloodborne is FromSofts best game, it's like that one vid about "Back 4 Blood proves Valve carried Left 4 Dead". PS4 features. perhaps extra funding and the fact that the Wendigo was revealed much later into the game, totally subverting expectations helped make Until Dawn the great game it is. Anyway, excited to watch the vid since the quarry itself is very exciting, definitly the company's 2nd best game and i think way more different things to discover in each playthrough which is a big plus over Until Dawn

[@just_oufus]

so excited lmao

[@maddtaggz]

There's a comment made in the credits of quarry that connect the two games. One of the girls from until Dawn is the podcast host.

[@AMK4AU]

For me the professor lupin werewolf model is the perfect werewolf model because it wasn’t overkill super crazy kill you looks but the quarry models were nice as well. My only few complaints were the lack of wolflike features in the wereWOLF. To me they were slightly different wendigos because they lacked fur and and real snout.

[@ndiahsgs]

i really loved the quarry but until dawn is one of my all time favorite games; if they make another game in this genre i hope they will ditch the slasher red herring turns into supernatural horror, and make it a slasher with a serial killer. they did it in both games (we're meant to think its about a serial killer at first in UD and about a serial killing family in the quarry but then it turns out to be wendigos and werewolves). i think their style of making games would fit so much a scream type slasher. like a bunch of teens in a neighboroud being chased by a serial killer or a group of killers, it would be great in terms of exploring dynamics between characters (which they like doing) and they could have a plot twist on the identity of the killer by being one of the main casts !

[@darkvxoid5533]

Yess I would love a scream game made by them that would be very cool

[@ndiahsgs]

@@darkvxoid5533 me too i think it would be amazing

[@7thprime]

Aye! You might be on to something with that Siren/mermaid idea! Maybe our cast could be cave divers/scientists exploring some deep underwater cavern!

[@dragonslayergreataxe1880]

another banger

[@simplyshelbs16]

I love both, but Until Dawn will always have a special place in my heart 💜 Vampires or Bigfoot was exactly what I was thinking lol but I think it would be cool to do a Lovecraftian one! I know there's a lot of Lovecraftian games, but there isn't one with a cast of characters you can make decisions for. Also, I almost spit out my drink at the London Tipton thing 🤣🤣

[@swavezmartin]

The quarry and until dawn are both a -10- Two absolutely amazing games love them

[@MarMa0r]

“It’s Morbin Time” 😂

[@GagaLuvr15]

Personally I like how Until Dawn misdirected you. At first you think some slasher is after you but that's just Josh playing an elaborate prank and the real threat is the wendigos. I figured out it was werewolves with The Quarry pretty early.

[@queenanjane]

They tell you what the next game is after you play House Of Ashes it gives you a trailer for The Devil In Me and it looks so good I can’t wait to play it

[@nachoyacho]

i wonder if the BYB promo podcast has a session about the until dawn story?

[@ryanmills892]

For me personally; Until Dawn single-handedly got me into horror games and movie/narrative based games, the announcement of The Quarry came and got me so excited to return to Supermassive Games' world and i was not disappointed by another scary and tense thrill.

[@AmyForeverAfter]

I was going crazy trying to figure out where I knew all this background music from and then it hit me like a ton of bricks. It's all music from the Nancy Drew games lol

[@erinlewis6901]

I'm glad there wasn't any solid connection of the two because then there implies a canon ending. I think my struggle with The Quarry is how unconnected the Carnival Narrative and the Werewolf Narrative feel up until the very end. I think that given the ghost supernaturalism we could have seen Abi and Emma or perhaps Jacob witnessesing a ghost version of the carnival and witness Kaylee and Caleb and Silas together rather than just being told about it. Like, a really good storytelling bit was finding the Hirophant card and getting to witness Eliza see the whole place burn. The Quarry was good and fun, I just wish that the characters were more dynamic. No one seems to really change by the end of it, whereas Mike and Jesse change pretty much regardless of choices, but characters like Matt and Ashley's personality's are super choice dependent. No one seemed to change in The Quarry. And Emily might have been the absolute worst, but when you played her it was fascinating to see how brave and how similar to Mike she actually is. Emma and Jacob both existed in this unlikeable space like Emily, but I never felt like their strengths came out to make them palletable like Emily. They just kind of bumble around and act like idiots the entire time. I think that's why so many people attached to Laura, because we get to see her change into the werewolf hunter.

[@em-kie]

I feel like a connection through the games could have been done through the monsters rather then the characters like Travis could mention learning about tales of other beasts like the Wendigo from a police report or something. It could have also been a nice way to foreshadow the next games monsters. That way no one’s emersion is broken by referencing numbers or anything.

[@thethriftytypewriter]

That would’ve probably been the best route to connect them!

[@lbrett7054]

I can definitely see vampires in the next game, but not the typical vampire, something like Morbius or Man-bat; a winged humanoid creature that somewhat resembles a twisted human-bat hybrid.

[@unephemeral79]

Until Dawn’s setting, supernatural monster, cast, story, and plot twist makes it better for me imo

[@markel693]

I found similarities between Emily from until dawn and Emma in their situation with the monsters getting bitten or not and using a rope and metal to get away

[@1993Southparkfan]

Yep. And they can both be killed by another playable character if they get bit. With that being said, Kaitlyn killing Emma in her werewolf form is definitely more justified than Mike killing Emily simply because he just assumed that the bites were infectious.

[@astrobard]

They could do it like Mass Effect where your choices in one game affect the choices in the other so if you have the other game loaded into your system it can read those choices and have set dialogue.

[@munkayttaja6913]

Idk if it exists but they should remaster until dawn for ps5, they also should create an ending for the quarry where u can see all the characters u saved. There's no reason to just add it in an update. They can leave the podcast but make it skippable

[@jkali7584]

Plz do a quarry break down that would be awesome 🙏🏽

[@royalpenguin8870]

I don't have the games, but I have watched both of them on YT (Along with Heavy Rain and Life Is Strange back then, so I do very much appreciate the whole Choose Your Own Path type of games and get inspired by them), so Idk how much of a difference my take will be, lol. I have watched at least 10 people play The Quarry from start to finish and then watched 1 person play Until Dawn (as a refresher because I forgot). I think it is needless to say that Until Dawn will be forever a favorite for many people with all the aspects that the game upholds. The game provides a lot of threats and jumpscares to keep the blood pumping enough until dawn (Aha). The game however feels a bit short to me and I can't connect to the characters as much as I had hoped to. For example, Ashley kept sobbing a lot so I felt like that was just her character and Matt/Jess were absent for a long time. But the game here is phenomenal and I love the story behind it all and the psychological stuff with Josh and the butterfly effect. The Quarry IMO is a close second because to me it was very enjoyable. Other people might not feel the same and I think it just depends on how you perseve the game (I watched Kubs Scouts first which made me love the character Ryan at first, but then don't like Jacob. But I watched Jacksepticeye after that which made me like Jacob a little more). And for other 'purely watching and not playing' people, I feel we could be influenced a lot by the person we watch because if we watch someone who is negative and uninterested in the game (Saw a YTer like that...), then we won't love it as much. What I will say is that The Quarry did better on characters, I feel we get to know the characters and their awkward and weird humor (which I'm sure it's to show that they're young since they're fresh out of high school and going to college). I feel the game went more on a 'thrilling' path (like Little Nightmares) and the graphics of the game is beautiful and new looking compared to UD (although the motions can be weird like Emma's mouth and Dylan's goofy look). The Quarry gets interesting once Laura comes back in, then everything can go to crap since more people are likely to die as easily versus Until Dawn where it's interesting the whole time since it's just so intense. But I believe what The Quarry could have done better is add more horror elements and threats to juice up the game and keep the WW theme hidden for a while (like in UD when Wendigos were revealed in the end). There should be more danger within these kids, I would've been fine if they ACTUALLY put bears into this game because then that would be another threat. Like Imagine if bears were the first threat and all this "Maybe A Bear?!" talk could've made sense, then all of a sudden it's bears and WWs. Basically, I think The Quarry is its own game and can't be compared to Until Dawn. However, both endings I dislike a little of lol. Until Dawn had their interviews but I don't think it was enough for me. However, the team cast did great to show how traumatic the experience was. The Quarry's podcast.... yeah I skipped all of them in each playthrough I watched. Also The Quarry's end could've been better and what would've fit this would be an end cutscene of the last surviving (or not) people. Wouldn't like a interview ending for The Quarry because I don't think that fits since you'd need all of the evidence for the kids to not be put in jail (also wouldn't fit the aesthetic of the game).

[@thegamingagent6822]

Until Dawn had better characters in my opinion.

[@PhantomPlayin]

Just played The Quarry and I loved it.