Why I'll (Probably) Never Buy Another Panerai!

[@Justinpiano1987]

Let’s be honest... we are all waiting for Jory’s beard to reach his eyeballs. 😂 Love ya bro!

[@deddyadrian]

definitely

[@TopStrikerMaverick]

Lmao

[@Seedavis397]

He should connect with eyebrows that would be awesome

[@paulaxton72]

He's clearly an incel.

[@jeromef.5489]

Panerai will always be an icon. Can clearly spot one from across the room.

[@varanid9]

Yes, whether it's made in China or not, you can still spot it from across the room.

[@marketmadness434]

yes, prob spotting a fake one lol

[@imdrrich]

And? Is that something to be happy about?

[@Markus-qy6ez]

Exactly. A Rolex, etc., look exactly like a Tag from any farther than 2 feet.

[@seanlingham5254]

You can login to their website to check authenticity now.

[@koolpep]

Ha! Going against the trend here. I just bought a pre-owned Panerai PAM0380 and love it!! I would have never thought I like Panerai but once it was on my wrist - I loved it. I think they see a bit of a resurgence nowawadays. And my ETA based movement looks lovely - well decorated and finished - though no display caseback. And the 380 has a screw in caseback and 100m WR \

[@lettuce1305]

Panerai is kind of like marmite either you love it or hate it, I'm in the former camp. I think they make some really iconic and gorgeous pieces. The whole thing about replica is overplayed for Panerai, there is a super replica for almost any watch these days. If people want a watch that can't be faked, the only option is to buy watches with uncommon complications that the fakers can't or can't be bothered to replicate.

[@hrvojelasic5794]

@@lettuce1305 Fakes are going better from the outside but they cant meet high-quality movements like from Rolex or Omega and even fine details on the outside are not met fully. If you own a fake you could possibly want original Omega or Rolex just for the sake of fine craftsmanship, no doubt about that. However, Panerai here doesn't really meet expectations... Mechanical watches are about fine art. You could buy a cheap swatch and it will tell you a good time. You want to own something special. If the fake has the same movement, about the same quality build, why would you want to own the original?

[@lettuce1305]

@@hrvojelasic5794 yeah but you can't even see the movement in Rolex and also there are super clones of the rolex movement now. This whole replica issue is not only with Panerai, look up some videos on youtube, the super replicas of some Rolex are already almost indistinguishable from the genuine.

[@hrvojelasic5794]

​@@lettuce1305 Movements you mention are look-alike Rolex movements but are not equal to quality. They are coming dirty from the factory, lower quality standards, some crucial parts like balance wheels, they cant really copy. I agree with you there is good value for money but they are still not a real deal for Rolex or Omega (and some others). But in this particular case, I don't see value in buying Panerai. I am not seeing Panerai as a piece of high-end machinery. So I kind of agree with you, as for Panerai, I would probably prefer copy as even dealers can't see the difference. Just looks to be a money grab.

[@lettuce1305]

@@hrvojelasic5794 if you're so concerned with replicas, then don't even bother with Rolex and Omega, get a JLC with complications or a Grand Seiko. None of those have a super replica yet and you can immediately tell even if there's a replica for one.

[@garretthu548]

Panerai was never about in house, they have always used sourced movement historically. A Panerai with in house movements are only a couple grand more so it's not a price issue, it's more of a choice.

[@hijack4661]

And You are hu?

[@lucasleal177]

But bro! That movement he showed was disgusting

[@lebojay]

When your ADs can’t tell your own genuine products from fake copies, you’re done, and you deserve it.

[@danielmartini3229]

if no one can tell them appart, is there really a difference? considering the record of cutting corners, perhaps the fake is the higher quality watch

[@peytonhuang2919]

Totally agree! Was shocked when my AD told me my watch was fake and asked me if they can demolish it. Had to correct them and write to their regional office. To make it worse they refused to even issue an apology letter but just an email saying your watch is genuine.

[@kingjinglefingle]

@@peytonhuang2919 yeahhh that'd be enough to turn me off the brand, sorry you had to deal with that!

[@FF-qc8kw]

Paneri is starting to become one of those brands that are only expensive because of the brand mostly, which is mostly common with fashion brands

[@syedmohdfasihnaqvi155]

True said

[@muffemod]

cough cough hublot

[@theangryphotographer9173]

@@idzzuddinishak7389 Rolex is still independent though, unlike pretty much all the swiss brands so at least they're doing something right.

[@revolutions88]

RICHARD MILLE

[@Munkenba]

Louis V, Gucci, Versace... The watch world is just behind the rest of the fashion world. Give it ten years and Patek will be selling plastic digitals to teenagers for 900 bucks a piece. The moron market is unfortunately lucrative.

[@lapelcelery42]

Looks like Panerai have gone Pan-AWRY.

[@zacherycampbell7296]

ThomasWilliamsMusic underrated comment 😂

[@jball1975]

Briliant! 😂

[@homerny7901]

That was funny

[@ericlattanzi7671]

ThomasWilliamsMusic Best Comment EVER !!’ 😆

[@varanid9]

My God!!

[@kenmac542]

The whole beard thing is fine. Please just do something about the growth on the cheekbones, it's kinda creepy.

[@bobbybarnes8321]

Apparently he don't own a razor

[@ewhyte8059]

Let the man wear his beard however he chooses. I’m just worried about the limited edition T-shirts!😁

[@rookie4619]

It's disgusting

[@ziggyc4474]

Wax

[@thechancellor842]

I just got my first Pam 1209 (300m) and absolutely love it. It has been on my wrist over my Rolex’s and Cartier’s lately.

[@okihaveaname]

Enjoyed this rant, especially highlighting the mismatch of components vs price. 👍

[@hubalahu]

About the skx, I am not a fan for threaded crowns. I don't like how they age

[@joeylee6094]

Why?

[@hubalahu]

@@joeylee6094 I did buy a used skx399, and gosh the crown is having really big problems screwing down. It wasn't abused. Its just a common problem with older screwdowns. Thread gets crossed and worn out

[@macoyupadoodle]

A 30m water resistance for a sportwatch (especially on a diver looking thing) is unforgivable period.

[@seanlingham5254]

It's all 30 bar. The Due isn't meant for men.

[@adama4791]

Because it’s not a sports watch? It’s not like they took their luminor and changed it to 30m. It’s a different line

[@seanlingham5254]

@@adama4791 They have released a 40 mm Luminor Marina with the same 300m water resistance as the regular 44 mm. It's super popular among the ladies. They have it in all 3 popular dial colors (blue, black and white). The Due was criticised because they didn't have the 40mm before and it was seen as the 'smaller case size at the compromise of WR'. With the 40 mm releases and the Due being focused on with precious metal (Gold and Mother of Pearl dial), they've established a clear difference in the product lines. The Due are 38 mm and generally men tend to prefer 40-42 which is why Rolex releases mostly in 40 for men. Hence my earlier comment on it being more for women. Truth be told, there isn't any Submersible in 40 mm or below so you won't get that Diver's bezel for women in the size they prefer. In short, Panerai does not make any suitable diving watches for women today.

[@adama4791]

@@seanlingham5254 I would say 1) suitable is in the eyes of the beholder, namely the woman who might or might not want say a 42mm submersible but 2) sure you could say that, it is likely partly because I'm a man and a tall and stocky one at that such that none of panerais decisions really bother me since I can get away with all of their watches. I think I just didn't like the self righteous tone of this video. I would agree with his "they've betrayed the brand" bullshit if they didn't actually make any more legitimate divers but just because they are making something that isnt fully true to form (while producing the vast majority of watches that are) doesn't mean they're betraying the brand.

[@seanlingham5254]

@@adama4791 I agree with you completely. I was just responding to one part of what you said. I agree with your sentiments.

[@TopQ428]

Another reason Not to buy a Panerai is They lose value tremendously, I purchased my Luminor Marina for 10K kept in in excellent condition and exactly one year later I tried to sell it and got a low ball offer of 5K from crown and caliber and chrono 24. They low ball you and then sell those watches for around 8K .

[@jacobpartin4553]

Dive style watches are great for exploring the depths of your kitchen sink XD

[@phunkytowel9794]

No. Don't even get them wet.

[@clark3830]

I own 2 Panerai and I love them more than Rolex. Omega or Tag.

[@stevebennett7783]

🤔😂🤣

[@ScottTR]

How often are you hanging out under 30 meters of water?

[@kingkongking11]

hi i have a Panerai ferrari which i sent back for repair through an ad .Panerai first said it was real watch then said it was fake and sent it back, just shows they cant even tell.

[@johnturnerjr7221]

I'm gald you're finally covering this topic Jory. This has been goung on for way too long with Panerai.

[@بوهنود-ذ5ج]

I have my Panerai pm568 and it is discontinued and it is still brand new. I don't know how much is the resale ratio

[@bikefever3569]

I'm so pissed off. I had my Panerai 312 serviced in January 2020 at a not authorised watch shop in Scotland and now it needs a new balance wheel. The shop has closed due to Covid. Panerai won't sell me a balance wheel. I have to get it fixed with them. Not happy about this. If I had my BMW serviced and none approved garage BMW would still sell me parts. Really changed my thoughts about panerai. PS love the channel

[@eldiabolico3750]

Your movement is actually better looking than the “in house” version...

[@johnandrews3568]

and more reliable.

[@kaunas888]

If the copies are so indistinguishable from the real ones that even the ADs cannot know for certain which is which, I think that it makes perfect sense to buy an exact non-Panerai Panerai...and save over 90% of the price.

[@rickb.4168]

But you know it’s a fake, so why wear. It? I don’t get fakes.

[@kaunas888]

@@rickb.4168 Maybe folks like the Rolex look and design but not the prices and unavailability. Maybe they want the status without the cost of an original Rolex.

[@jonirwin7316]

@@kaunas888 status with a fake? Haha! Nope.

[@kaunas888]

@@jonirwin7316 That is only if folks do not find out that it is a fake...

[@MERKAMGCLK]

Totally agree. Bought my one and only Panerai. A PAM 177 in 2006.

[@chaly23]

What is a dive watch and its difference from a dive style watch? certification? 200 m plus water resistent

[@catalinpirjan9176]

I had a issue I m very disappointed about seiko 5 SNK375K1 automatic I bought it new but it's out of alignment little bit , and I'm scared buying more seiko any help to repair the watch please.

[@the88lundberg]

Looking at an Panerai PAM 000051 on the link. Beautiful watch with 300m water resistance.

[@jackv7510]

Panerai remains an amazing watch with a history behind that gives a good balance between smart /casual/sporty, the bulky look ideal for people with large wrist /hands, exclusive lock for the crown which makes the watch recognizable at distance…. Tudor, Rolex, omega and others sometimes look the same from far , ….AP and Hublot have very similar models, lets not talk about Richard Mille hublot Spirit of big bang they get confused often, Panerai is unique in its style… and btw how fair is to compare brands with totally dofferent price range… Lets talk about the power reserve? How cool is that? sometimes i don’t use mine for a couple of days and I can just look at the power reserve indicator as if it was a fuel indicator in the car and i know if I need to wind it or not… and now they offer 8 years warranty… i am not sure that many brands offer such a long term warranty… i am not saying it is perfect and I think many statements in this video are based on true but lets not forget each brand have pros and cons…

[@4120306]

Couldn't agree more. BTW, Cartier and JLC also offers 8 years warranty.

[@j.l.7264]

But watches should never be heavily relied on style, style and design can be and will be copied. People still buy Rolex because the quality at MSRP is decent. The same for omega and JLC. Can’t say the same about Panerai. The 9010 movements don’t even hack, you can’t excuse corporate greed.

[@class51600]

You were very fair, thank you for doing a Panerai story. I have a Luminor 1950 with a display back very nice movement. Cicra 2011.

[@daniel-lee888]

As long as there are uninformed buyers out there paying for the brand name and look... Panerai won't do a thing. Most people who I know, who own a Rolex have zero idea what movement is in their watch! That's the Panerai target market :)

[@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR]

Yeah! I mean for me the cases are too huge!! The problem in this industry is that 90% of us want vintage inspired or re issues! Panerai has a distinct look that has not changed through the decades that’s there appeal! I appreciate the brand but because of my skinny wrist won’t buy one! Great show!!

[@smashexentertainment676]

Panerai has 40mm cases too. Tho I think aesthetically this type of case demands bigger size.

[@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR]

SmashEX Entertainment yes I have seen these and am intrigued but they just don’t look the same! I love there classic designs .

[@ajatkotwal]

90% of "us" only 10% of the global watch buying public. And the classic design you mentioned also were 44-47mm. So "their" vintage inspired watches will actually look bigger than their existing ones.

[@jonardlopez5019]

What do you think of the pam1086. I’m so close on getting one or the IWC spitfire. Thanks

[@dontaepeepsatl]

i have a question why do you have scratches on your time piece Ouch! Bro

[@gautamnair4428]

Panerai’s are ‘Limited’ to the number of watches they can sell. That I presume is what they mean by Limited Edition.

[@MWS1960]

I own Rolex Sub, IWC transitional big pilot, IWC miramar triple date ceramic and of course Panerai. Out of all my watches I love my Panerai 1104 (Panerai movement). I get a lot of good comments above all my other watches on my Panerai.

[@ianingham5713]

If these are divers watches,can anyone tell me why no countdown markers?

[@maxhoogma5164]

It’s a vintage stile dive watch. They originally made them in 1930 for the Italian navy

[@rickgreen7393]

For me, this brand jumped the shark when E gave Turtle one for his birthday in the HBO series Entourage.

[@nrbrown5985]

At least the Seiko 5 has 100m wr.

[@itsallrobbish]

nakinate it’s a good watch

[@joem5140]

Agreed. I have two 5KX's and they are great fun. I will never dive. But I will use the bezel for parking meters.

[@larsstougaard7097]

Its a 100 mm diver 😋

[@63CommonSense]

No problem with the video, the fact that Panari is counterfeited a lot goes to how attractive they are. My favorite is the PAM00171. They should definitely do more to protect the brand when it comes to quality, design, and counterfeiting.

[@aaronmunro5818]

This needs an update. Some cool Panerai models have come out since this video was posted, including the new 40mm Luminors, waterproof to 100M.

[@lucaslucas9505]

Love to know how often anyone every uses a paneRai for diving. We use dive computers, this is a ridiculous argument and 30m is enough for most casual diving anyway

[@TheGoldsholl]

I’m a little confused, why didn’t you tell which watch specifically to buy because you were over so many watches I don’t know which watch is the one to get?

[@rucksackrules2266]

@thetimeteller I love this video! You're angry for a good reason. The problem starts at the moment users and collectors begin to buy plain, ordinary tool watches like Panerai, Rolex, Doxa, Tudor, Omega, etc. as high end horology time pieces. They're not and they're not meant to be. Dive watches were constructed for the military as a part of the outfit and had to be reliable and cheap. A government supplies it soldiers with affordable pistols, but no civilian would buy the exact one for $20.000 and it happens with watches all the time, so the prices became outrageous and the watches … are still only a piece of tool.

[@3916690]

I just bought a Panerai 320 GMT in 44 mm recently on 30th August 2020,....I LOVE BIG Size watches in 44 mm and 47 mm, a Centralized hour and minute hand is a MUST.....I don't like small moon separate hour and minute hand, as many complicated watches nowadays have NOT a centralized hour and minute hands.........28,800 VPH (Vibration per hour) in 4 Hz is also a must for an accuracy which is Panerai pam 320 having 28,800 vph movement......previously, I have 3 Hz watches and always NOT Accurate..........Panerai 320 GMT has an IN House watch movement with a 3 Days Power Reserved in the back side watch movement in automatic..........IN HOUSE movement is also a MUST in watches nowadays.........Customers are becoming more choosy and always demand the best mechanical watches with NO Battery on the watch movement......Automatic and Hand Winding are my choice of watches.......Beside Panerai pam 320 GMT in 44 mm, I also have a Panerai 297 GMT in 44 mm as well as popular Panerai 372 in 47 mm in Plexiglass........Italiano certainly knew how to design a good BIG SIZE Watches........Luminor is my favorite.......Radiomir, Submersible.....are NOT my favorite in Panerai.......44 mm and 47 mm are my favorite BIG Size watches.........so I guess I am a Paneristi.......watch collector....Thanks for reading...O:))

[@fiftyfreestylin]

I hear the argument for not making the Pan 676 677 only having 30 meters water resistance. For 20K you should have 50m minimum. The being said, 30M is still pretty deep....round up and it's 100 feet of water. That will let you wear it in 100% of vacation swimming pools, wash your hands and shower with it. Most of the time 30M should allow you to retrieve the watch if it falls off swimming or boating close to shore. 100 Feet is deeper than 90% of rec divers will go. So while lame of them to cut the corner and under build this watch....it will honestly go deeper than I would say 100% of any buyer will take it. No Nox diver would even bother using it that deep. I agree with you though...stupid of them to take the short cut and gimp the watch...that alone would turn me off to it. If your spending over 1K it better go Balls deep.

[@Geoduck.]

I'm way late to this one but totally get your point. I'm a fan and like the fact the prices are down am looking for a used one as I type this. New subscriber!

[@VmanStudioz]

Okay - Panerai has been quietly revamping their entire product line. The new PAM 915 - an AMAZING update to the 111 (rated to 300 meter). My personal fav - the PAM 960 (also rated to 300 meters). They have locked down their distribution, so their prices are holding very steady, few deals are gone, you will pay to get back into the new club. As for fakes; that has nothing to do with Panerai production facilities; that is just fake news. Ps - I wouldn’t be wearing a 20k Gold watch diving anyway.

[@kaunas888]

Despite the very high prices from what I have heard Panerai has a history of unacceptable cost cutting. I have heard that their latest tactic in response to dropping sales is to cheapen the product even more. One has to wonder about what management is thinking. They managed to become very popular and profitable company in a very short time...and then they have just frittered it away due to greed and short term thinking.

[@dontaepeepsatl]

I own a PAM00915 & i love it and its not fake i own papers and serial numbers & i bought it from the store directly, that's sad people are selling fakes out here. Ive love this watch since i seen Sylvester Stallone wear it in the movie day light & Arnold Schwarzenegger in Eraser!!! loved it ever since..

[@casperswift]

I kinda built my own panerai lol. eta 6497, a case and a dial and hands.. wasnt hard or anything.

[@fabriziobai2941]

have you ever been nearby 20 meters under water?

[@smashexentertainment676]

I so badly want PAM01088, but I'm not sure if I want to get ripped off by Panerai. It has 300m WR and OP XXXI movement, 50h power reserve. For $6000 brand new. Is it worth the money?

[@F15IDriver]

Great video. I won’t buy any more pams. I got the 317 and 292. That’s more than enough

[@mrcoachbusiness]

i am not agree with what you said about 30m WR panerai watches. They clearly stated that luminor Due is dress watch collection, to reduce the thickness, they must reduce the WR. who go diving in dress suit???? are how many people will go diving? or even jumping in the pool with a panerai watch??? i think very few. The crownguard is signature design, not only for dive protection feature. If people want to have a dive watch to dive, go for normal luminor collection. If people want to wear panerai with dress suit, go for Due collection. Is that not clear?

[@cqc2238]

Except the stupid crown guard is for decoration. Loose the crown guard and make it an actual dress watch. I agree with T3, it’s a monstrosity.

[@mrcoachbusiness]

@@cqc2238 you dont own any panerai, i am sure that. Whoever owned a panerai will never call that crown guard stupid because its DNA of the Brand and it do play a role in prevent water into the watch. Panerai clearly stated that you can swim with this watch but can not dive

[@imnot2sure1]

What are your thoughts on the company are gone and their watches

[@clo2715]

Wonder if alibaba has Panerais with more water resistance.

[@bigant29]

If you were to buy paneri which production years movements and models would you stick with or would you just not touch it ? @thetimeteller

[@bh9262]

Simple, keep your box, papers, receipt from the authorized retailer.

[@Brianatthefarm]

You forgot to mention the snap back and spring bar Panerais! (630, 632, 634) How much are they saving really? $100 a watch? Less? They need to fire their CEO and get back to the basics. Weird light blue second hands, the whole due line, what’s going on there? If you can’t fit your Panerai under your cuff, have it altered, get French cuffs, buy a real dress watch! I have to admit that I think that I may get a Pam 564 soon. Easy to wear and balance on the wrist titanium, classic 44mm case style, brushed case and bezel, less common brown dial, 300m WR, 8 day reserve, second hand, in house movement. I think it’s a winner.

[@stevenuk]

you forgot to mention snap-on case backs 😂 dive watches with snap on backs and 30m water resistance... umm... Richement board room decisions I bet.

[@waimak134]

Totally understand why you are angry about it … I bought a Pam000 long time ago and it was an amazing watch until now. I still love my watch so I recommend my boyfriend to bought a Pam005. Both watches are from same Panerai shop at Canton road in HK without any discount. In 2023, I feel Panerai is not the same company to me because most of the watches are changed (thinner, smaller, in house movement, model number……) but all designs looks similar to the previous watches. To be honest, I’m still love this brand and would like to bought a Radiomir Pam380 for me especially with good price in 2nd hand market nowadays. But obviously Panerai do not have any significant models to make them historically so I’m afraid they will not stay in the market for long.

[@TheDood656]

Hey Jory love your videos man. I just got a PAM 960 I haven’t found much information about the movement would appreciate your insight on this.

[@XHobbiesPrime]

I have always thought the crown guards looked ludicrous. But then they release a watch with those ridiculous looking crown guards and only 30m water resistance? Why not just release them as Radiomir models then?

[@ianrodd9232]

8:17 ... So you actually expect this, $20k plus, GOLD watch to be used for scuba diving? I find it bordering on pedantic to bemoan the 30m water resistance on a watch that is, clearly, NEVER going to be worn underwater. Panerai makes actual Subermersible watches for that purpose. And I can confidently claim that pretty much ALL Panerai owners buy the watches for their distinctive style and do not intend to wear them wreck diving at 300 feet below. That's why the Kodiak leather straps are no longer standard on the Pams either.

[@seacow2001]

Agree with all your points on panerai. That's my issues with the brand too. I have an on again off again love fest with panerai but can't bring myself to buy a new or used one.

[@gsmarchand]

I somewhat agree with your points except water resistance. Not planning on swimming with a 20k watch. I buy divers because I like the watch not cuz I plan on diving.

[@AntOfEgypt]

Learned a lot, thanks Jory! It is sad that they went that route, I’m sure (if it hasn’t happened already) that this will make the engraved movement versions jump in price which is a shame for people who want to buy an authentic pre-owned watch.

[@nineteenninetyfive]

All very valid points. They are very cool looking watches though.

[@theonlyredspecial]

Love my Pam 323. I own a lot of nice watches and it’s still my favourite. All I’ve seen lately are Rolex copies. If you know how, where and what to buy it’s not difficult.

[@bushtrash2286]

When you have companies like island watches selling watches that have sapphire, hacking, winding for a fraction of the cost, you realize how much these companies try to rip ppl off not only that they are marketing to ppl who live watches but also know about other brands and difference in the watch industry, they will go under in my opinion, or the damage they will do to their reputation will be really hard, basically you are paying for the case.

[@daiseypaisley]

You didn't mention the snap fit casebacks.

[@richardr2555]

You said 300 meter water resistance but showed 30 m on the screen. 10:10

[@SebM72]

He meant to say 30. That's why there's an asterix

[@Brommel1974]

I love my 1312 and 425. But I would never buy a watch cause it’s a LE. I buy them because I want to wear them and I do not care about fakes. I do it for myself and not to show of. It is good enough to know what I have on my wrist. If you want a Masterpiece in house movement for Panerai money get a GO, for example. I love my GO Panoreserve and the whole thing is a peace of art. OK, it is not a PAM and also not the Lange I but outshines a PAM easily. For diving I take my Sinn U1 or my U1000B, Indestructible and max. half the Price🤘 But I totally understand your point 👍

[@richardjones2609]

Great info! Was seriously considering getting a Luminor - no longer.

[@TheBarts27]

You can still buy a great Luminor, but you have to know the right one. The Due line up is crap and the older Luminors (2000-2012) do have some great models. Just my 2 cents.

[@jackson7962]

I have one it's used very nice ugh$900 no box no papers lmfao

[@fredericbeigbeder9119]

Actually I do not understand, why it is easier to fake a Panerai in comparision to an Audemar Piquet or an Omega?

[@briansturgill5905]

Love my pam279 titanium. Great watch. Sucks the resell value has gone down so much.

[@coolkidex]

You did the zooming on purpose to increase your click through rate, huh?

[@11ish61]

I like your feedback. thoughts on the PAM244? I've been looking for a unique GMT that has crazy durability and this seems to still have the 300m WR

[@FrankLavoy]

I do steer clear from Panerai. Period. Don't like their design regardless of anything they do (or don't). By the way, how is your blue Timex Ironman Triathlon holding up (T5K413 Ironman Classic 30)? After seeing your review recently, I acquired one but I'd like to get your take on it after a few months wearing it. Thanks for your input and thanks for sharing.

[@dakotaxu4792]

OMG!!!! I’m so glad I just watched your video!!! Here’s why: about a week ago I passed by a store that sells pre-owned timepieces and I saw a Panerai PAM 194 2500m in titanium that has been in their window for over 3 years and is not selling. He wants $10,500 for it and is missing some of the papers but has the box and part of the papers. I had no idea that there were fakes of Panerai watches until I watched your video and another video a few minutes ago. Then after you mentioned that even dealers will not buy a Panerai with box and papers I realized that should I buy the watch I would have a paperweight on my hands that would have cost me $10,500. You are also right about the ETA movements because having a timepiece with an ETA movement is not necessarily a bad thing and some of them perform better than in-house movements. Thanks for uploading I do have a question: is it possible for there to be a fake PAM 194 2500m titanium divers with a tritium dial? Should I avoid that watch after what you said in your video? Because I did own this watch previously and when I tried to sell it years ago I had a hard time selling it even with box and papers. Please let me know and thanks

[@bc8814]

Curious if anyone knows how much of this may be due to the parent company Richemont. Anyone know how much influence the parent company has in Panerai's decision making?

[@Whiskey_Tengu]

I would imagine there is pressure flowed down to present a sales and marketing plan year over year that will satisfy Richemont investors, however, the problem is still Panerai IMO. IWC and JLC just killed it for Watches and Wonders in terms of attractive watches that collectors can get behind and actually want. Panerai seems to be doing the exact opposite. I think its the new Panerai leadership to be honest. Perhaps Angelo Bonati is a tougher act to follow than we thought and hiring a former Roger Dubuis CEO to take over Panerai wasn't the right move. Two vastly different brands with vastly different audiences I think. Then again I'm making the assumption that the Due line was not something Bonati came up with. I could be wrong.

[@rustyshackleford17]

You know, it was about the time when I was wanting to buy a Panerai I began to notice this trend of Panerai just giving up. Instead of sandwich, you get sausage dials. Instead of cool decorated movements, you get basic shit. Why they never bothered improving their water resistance is beyond me...especially given their size. Their catalog is confusing as shit also. You'll have what are seemingly two near-identical watches that are several thousand dollars in price difference. I love the Panerai aesthetic, but it's hard for them to justify their cost when there's a dozen microbrands that can make almost the exact same thing...for substantially cheaper and often better.

[@Francisco-sx7th]

Interesting point of view. I do like Panerai design but what I heard here sounds like I should consider, for now, keep buying Steinhart models (I own 2) where you pay 500€ and no issues when using them with also a great looking...Greetings from Belgium.

[@navyblue123456]

It's really too bad that they got lazy and people have stopped trusting their products. Especially when they have such a cool past history with Rolex.

[@brad4908]

When your most interesting qualities are the things you own, it must seem reasonable to get upset when those things are undermined.

[@aminreviews2311]

1) Panerai never stopped decorating their movements except for the Brooklyn Bridge debacle. 2) It's very easy to spot the fakes. The movement finishing on the fakes is obviously inferior to the real thing.

[@extrememike]

Didn’t realize that they Pam’s were counterfeited so heavily. That argument that they aren’t doing enough to fake proof their watches is concerning. I removed them from my “like” list, and now my eyes are on the Zeniths.

[@watagump1]

I bought my 388 last Nov, preowned, triple box papers etc. Keeps crappy time, but its still my fav watch in my collection.

[@dannylaurence8089]

I cannot agree more! I love Panerai watches, the history, the looks, etc, especially a simple two hander. But the company is just completely lost. The Due is a joke, but it had so much potential. If they’re going to keep the Crown Protecting Device, make it properly water resistant. Otherwise, just give it a simple crown like the Radiomir. I do like the new materials they’re experimenting with, but the extra lume on the case is just a silly gimmick. I really hope they get it together soon.

[@sengo2143]

Talking about accuracy. I was between Breitling Avenger Chrono. 45 and Panerai Basic Logo. I am so glad that I picked Breitling. It's gaining 1 sec. per day. I guess I was just lucky.

[@PatDiCola]

they have crown guards in case your bidet water splashes up.

[@coconutmango9519]

Get a Titanium Panerai (or any non-steel) Panerai. That will leave your pre-own buying experience with no doubt. Next Panerai I get will be another Titanium. Love the looks of Panerai.

[@coconutmango9519]

@Al Marcel Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know. I guess those who don't know something are stupid. I guess you know it all.

[@jayanderson5823]

what a powerful video, I love when you got straight into the point Panerai designing style isn't my cup of tea but I'll give them points for making dive watches with display caseback and since we are talking about gimmick dive-style watches. at the price point of $20,000, that is just straight up BS. but below $500, like with the "5KX", it's reasonable. I think the "5KX" is acceptable because Seiko didn't make for us, they didn't make that watch for us hardcore watch fan, no no, they made it attract more customers, more specific, younger customers. Take a look at the sub-line of this 5KX where there's even a collaboration with a weird Anime called Jojo Bizarre Adventure. Yes, they basically spitting on to the legacy of the SKX but in a market that is being slowly taken over by fashion watch brands like DW or MVMT, I think this is the right move for Seiko. That's why they put the new "5KX" into the 5 sport line. The Seiko 5 line has always been doing one this, is to make mechanical watches available for young and new watch fans. I think the "5KX" is perfect for this role

[@jayanderson5823]

@@idzzuddinishak7389 yes and they aren't for drivers they aren't even on the same class

[@chaly23]

Didnt know that about the Brooklin bridge piece....what a shame!

[@racamon]

Would you please stop ranting on Seiko 5ks, already. It is NOT a friking first damn Seiko 5 sports watch that is 100m wr dive style watch, ffs. Like, everyone hates it, but on the other side they give praises to Seiko 5 Sea Urchin and 20 or so more other dive style watches with 100m wr. If you want ISO diver from Seiko, you can have them in a shape of Turtle, Tuna, Samurai and what not... this is getting old.

[@Onizans]

I got a 5kx and I'm perfectly happy.😁

[@racamon]

@@Onizans Haters gonna hate.

[@TriforceRich]

I Raca no will care once Seiko rereleases the updated SKX, which will happen.

[@racamon]

@@TriforceRich True that. I just am bored of all the rants in all the watch related videos about 5kx, like it is the end of the world. They fish for the subs, I guess.

[@jasonf3963]

I’ve never been tempted to buy a replica, but I’ll make an exception for a Panerai

[@rbruce63]

I am tempted also! But there are copies of replicas also...

[@r.o.1330]

I've never liked Paneri, but was blown away by the movement inside the Brooklyn Bridge watch. I've seen Russian movements that look as good.

[@dylanlamb8710]

Just one clarification...the comment about “Rolex MAKING the movements for older Panerai” is not accurate. They provided them with movements, but were simply brokers in the process.

[@thetimeteller]

There’s signed documentation proving that Aegler would only make movements for Rolex, so if Rolex provided Aegler movements to panerai.... you know exactly what I meant by that statement.

[@dylanlamb8710]

The Time Teller Yes, I totally did...you are awesome about catching stuff...I just know how literal people can be, and I could see people taking it way too seriously.

[@ol6309]

I have a PAM 001 with a solid case back, I agree that Panerai in the beginning was great but it’s like the Omega Speedmasters with all the special and limited editions that mean nothing

[@jayfredrick1367]

My problem with Panerai is their product catalog, holy crap how many Submersibles are there? Bronze green dial, blue dial, then with power reserve, and then the original Carbotech followed by green markers Carbo, then blue. Not to mention the massive collection of the Luminors with the GMT, the power reserve, sandiwch dial, sausage dial, just too much. How am I supposed to recommend this brand to my friends? I love my PAMs, just confused with the brand direction.

[@cavalry1213]

Are your glasses from Warby Parker? I love the clear frames. I have the Wilkie frames in clear.