Don't Buy A Panerai Until You Watch This! - Can You Spot A Fake?

[@markwoods1530]

i bought a panerai submersible in 2001 from the chinese market in kuala lumpar. Its kept perfect time since. Very happy with it

[@markfelton8170]

Did paneria from kuala lumper have all 0 serial or use a serial that looks real? Ask cause have a Panerai I know is real but has a BB all 0’s

[@markwoods1530]

@@markfelton8170 no number and ive been through 3 wristbands so i cannot help, its got a battery!

[@DecemberNames]

I just wanted to take a moment to say how amazing your video was! I was really impressed with the quality of the footage, the editing, and the overall presentation. You did a great job of explaining the topic in a clear and concise way, and I learned a lot from watching your video. I also really appreciated the way you made the video engaging and entertaining. You kept my attention throughout the entire video, and I never felt bored or lost. I would definitely recommend your video to anyone who is interested in learning more about the video.

[@princewoock]

I bought few years ago a clone AAA Panerai, 450€ and 4 of 4 professional watch dealers were sure it was the real one! They checked even the sapphire glass, the movement, everything! I could sell it for 8.000 and earn 7.550€ but even if I'm Yugoslavian I'm not a criminal. 😜The watch makes +2 seconds a day! So I wonder, why should I spend 12.000€ for a watch if I can have even better watch (more precise definitely) for 30 times less money??

[@joeren8948]

Yeah! I was able to tell the difference. First sign was the difference in the stitching in the leather straps, as well as the quality of the leather straps themselves. Getting a Panerai this year; quite exciting.

[@tomcologner1943]

Change strap and you’re confused again 😂 but yeah - against clones

[@Just_a_ruski_bot]

Honestly the one on the left looked much better, except the “Panerai” on the movement. So I can pay under $500 for a $5000 watch that would fool a watch dealer? Even if it only lasts a few years I could buy it 10-15 times over. Maybe Panerai should up it’s quality if it’s so easily, and effectively, reproduced.

[@31hallite]

All watches are faked now..

[@duvalpenny100]

It's crazy to think that the fake literally cost less than half the price of just SERVICING the authentic one.

[@superameric8]

@@duvalpenny100 my panerai clone has been great. I love it and it cost me $300. 2 years and no issues

[@cedarcanoe]

Same remark as I wrote regarding Rolex fakes: the fakes have become so close to the original at a fraction (typically 6-10%) of the cost of the original, BECAUSE the original isn’t special (hi-quality) enough. Panerai charges a premium yet uses a convenient hairspring stopper that has been used since 200 years ago instead of a free-sprung balance which would be too costly for the Chinese to copy. At the cost that Rolex and Paneria charges they should be using expensive and hi-tech materials and techniques, instead of the easy-to-produce techniques known by all Chinese people.

[@blainecole5452]

To the best of my knowledge all Rolex have a free sprung balance. But since they have a solid case back...

[@cedarcanoe]

Blaine Cole Like Inwrote, the free-sprung question was on Panerai only

[@blainecole5452]

@@cedarcanoe Yes, I understand. But if you can't even see the movement(Rolex), that's another impediment to determining authenticity. I agree with you regarding the free sprung balance. There are too many companies selling expensive watches with the simplest of curb regulators. Breitling and Grand Seiko immediately come to mind.

[@smashexentertainment676]

Say what? Rolex smelts his own steel and gold. Not a single replica yet came close to Rolex even in 1x10 magnification. And when you see the movement you don't have to be a watchmaker to see which one is fake. Not to mention Rolex crown logo on a dial is made of gold and they got few more ways to sneak precious metals in the watch most don't about. And ofc, all Rolex watches are tested and certified. Don't know about Panerai tho.

[@cedarcanoe]

@@smashexentertainment676 This may shock you but hi-end fakes actually are using real Rolex components like bezels, dials and datewheels. And one more thing: who of the watch-geeks is able to recognize a fake movement? I am since I know to look for the free-sprung balancewheel (that is a give-away for identification), but who else knows exactly what to look for?

[@Ninja_S1000RR-R]

Don’t buy Daytonas from Australia!

[@Mark..P]

Buwsur 😂

[@cedarcanoe]

Buwsur ?? there are people with bad intensions in each part of the world.

[@Mark..P]

Cedar Canoe I think he is referring to one person and not the country. But can see how it could be taken 👍

[@cedarcanoe]

Mark P I know, a certain Chris. But it still is a racist reaction

[@Ninja_S1000RR-R]

Australian is a race???

[@SlightReturn666]

They are very very hard to spot. I have a real PAM177 and a fake 177 that I use for travel. The fake was ~$300; the real one was a little under $6k used. The real one runs at +2s/day; the fake runs at -4s/day. No way to tell the difference, even when they're right next to each other; the cases and dials are identical. Until you flip them over and look at the movements ... the fake has pretty crude finishing on the movement and the logo is slightly wrong. (The fake strap is easy to spot though ... gotta put an authentic one on.)

[@Gerchanoffskiy]

Fake watch for travel is really great idea)

[@bharatnaidu4785]

Where can I purchase the fake one, would you mind share a link please

[@bnick25352535]

​@@bharatnaidu4785Rwi forums they'll tell you everything you want to know shout fakes.where to buy and what not to buy

[@Geoduck.]

At the 5:40 mark it's fairly clear the watch to the left is fake I would say. Curious to know for sure.

[@DingDong-tj9ce]

Hey Anthony, you okay? You've not done an upload for almost a year. Hope you're keeping well and look forward to further uploads.

[@juliantakeshiquayle6193]

I really have no knowledge again about these watches/brand, and again you show us some pointers to take on! It's great that the folks from Bernard let you show some examples to be able to shed light on these issues. Many thanks again to you and Bernard! great vid!

[@clark3830]

I have both a homage and real Panerai. Both look very similar. Both run exactly the same and the lum is the same. Both have 6497 movements. BUT, one is so much less to buy. I own Rolex, Omega and Tagheuer as well. What I am finding is the movement makes the watch not the watch makes the time piece. I'm done with over priced labels. It only satisfies the seller, not the buyer in the long run. Ego trip gets the cash.

[@mariussicone]

buy a stainless steel replica case,a dial,sapphire glass,and unitas 6497 movement.you will have a panerai watch,minus the finishing.i did that and i paid about 150 euro.

[@erschaff97]

where can i buy the dial and the hands? and all of theese? csn you help a brother out?

[@tombryan1]

Perhaps at some point the swiss will drop their overhyped prices to become more competitive.

[@Mister_Phafanapolis]

That is why I'm not interested in (allegedly) Swiss watches.

[@Haaraff]

Panerai is an Italian brand, with a factory in Switzerland. It's up to you if you want to feel scammed for paying more than $8k for an unfinished, low-beat nickel plated 6497 movement that can be had for $160 inside a machine engraved $150 case.

[@PoltergeistWorks]

@@Haaraff Gotta love how the haters keep coming back to the one argument they have over the whole history of a brand lol. This reminds me of Apple with the 1000 dollar monitor stand that gave the haters something to nag about :D

[@Bill.C.49]

I have a bb54, too, and I love it! I had the original bbb41 eta smiley dial for 8 years. I loved that watch, but it wore a bit big. I ended up selling it and getting a bb58. I never really connected with that one. Long story short, I sold it and got the 54. Incredible watch. Wears so comfortably and looks amazing! I wasn't sure how I'd feel about the shimmering glossy dial, but it's absolutely beautiful. I was used to the previous griity matte dials of the other bbs I previously had. The 54 is an absolute keeper for me, I believe.

[@johnandrews3568]

The movement on the 111 is way lower than some of the best reps out there. If you put a good rep next to gen I'm certain most would not be able to tell.

[@softmetals3702]

great to have you putting out vids like this it really does help many to learn what they are about to buy.

[@mountainhobo]

No amount of fakes can damage the brand as Panerai itself did with Luminor Due.

[@Beck-Stein]

Lol. Their own version of a replica!

[@clemk2415]

What damage did the Due cause to the brand ?

[@shakraljdopobede6442]

Wtf are you talking about!? Luminor Due is BEAUTIFUL. You have no taste whatsoever, so SHUT IT.

[@KodarShola]

@@shakraljdopobede6442 it’s not about taste. It’s about selling « dive » watches with typical crown guards of the brand but you can't take a shower with those.

[@31hallite]

​@KodarShola nothing wrong with the Luminor due, it has a 50 m water resistant. Well deep enough for most people.

[@videosuperhighway7655]

Not a watch expert etc but you can see how rough the finishing, lettering etc.. was. This is why I like my Omega Planet Ocean with clear caseback. you can see the beauty of the coaxial movement. It also helps with authentication. I really do not see the point of buying a mechanical watch if you cant even look at and admire the mechanical marvel behind the whole thing.

[@MyVideosWillCalmU]

I picked the wrong one from the video. The finish and design on the left, the colours and engravings around the edge made it appear better in the video. Close up may be a different story. But iam not clued up on Panarai and never handled one. Scary though, good video J

[@JANTHONYCHANNEL]

Thanks Slewer

[@slagsleutel]

How good is the fake one running ? I bought a fake Rolex and a Patek two years ago a € 60,- and they still running perfectly. The rolex strap is horrible btw. I thought i buy a panerai over there but now they charge € 300,-

[@carminefriendly3703]

hi , I saw that you have the breathing chronomat 44mm I would like to buy a chronomat 44mm black dial, breathing is gonna remove this model very soon, and I love this model but its highly polished the whole watch, Im scared that it will pick up scratches, specially the case which will be very obviously. what do you think?

[@Ninja_S1000RR-R]

Scratches give it character

[@andypandy16]

King of the Chrono’s......best looking plus 500m water resistance....phew! 👍

[@WristwatchDiaries]

Keep up the great work brother !!!

[@Eiraart]

This one was easy to tell but man they are getting better

[@mathias2659]

Why aren't you showing the front too? which one is the fake by looking at the front?

[@lyad]

You should compare a sandwich dial replica against the authentic

[@tomirvin7170]

I'm going left. Crown guard not seated properly. Cannon Pin not high enough.

[@ralfsmitheringale9364]

I am in love with the black one!!

[@RaymondJones-kh6pp]

Hi there you could tell the fake the printing was terrible if a panerai has a mahogany style box with papers and plastic card the box is lovely and the watch is very smooth and the printing on the back is engraved in the steel is that a copy

[@leomarsic9814]

both are panerai and of equal quality and value

[@davidinghram2494]

I spotted it almost immediately by looking at the pivot pin on the crown lock. My 0111 is a fake that a friend built from parts and offered to me at a very fair price. It has no lettering of any kind, and has a ST 3600 movement which has been oiled and regulated, and keeps almost perfect time. TBH, I wouldn`t enjoy a real Panerai any more than this one, I wear it every day.

[@tuono2473]

I've a gen PAM 93 and the fake sticks out a mile even before you take the back off

[@marcod.r.3299]

I saw immediatly the 6 was way too close to the text Swiss Made, it´s almost touching the text

[@korbindallis]

two things give it away the good leather strap and the movement you can tell which one is fake the left one is a fake but you have to dig deep into the case back to be sure

[@beagleman123456789]

The fake looks great 👍

[@jarodstevens2710]

Fantastic sir I did know it was the one on the left was a fake because of the printing but also because when you ended the crown the way you rotate it to move the hands was a tell

[@rveubank]

Very helpful for a novice who was thinking about buying a Panerai

[@johnskiadas9408]

The left one has a pinion that the hour and minute are attached is not flushed as the genuine, that’s the first tell for me.

[@handbagaddicted]

The real Panerai font is all I needed to see to determine the real one. The 3/6/9 (mostly the 3) give it away. Great video!!

[@crabbist]

Does all the font of the 6 9 would be the same as the 000 in the vid? Will it be different for different batch?

[@kelvinfkyap]

The giveaway was the casing, the casing is not Pam 1950 casing.

[@martinwild9192]

How come the real PANERAI crown guard didn't have 'REG TM' engraved upon it? That's been a standard feature on PAN watches for long enough

[@mikec3454]

The “Reg TM” on the crown guard is found on the 1950s case, not the Bettarini. If you look at Panerai’s website, you’ll notice the same. I have a PAM773, which does not have the markings on the crown guard.

[@mrhudah]

It would have been better if you showed the front of the watches when revealing the fake. 😒

[@maxsoon2677]

at 02:15 the moment when you raise the watch up, i immediately "THIS IS A FAKKEE!", the numeric "6" and "L SWISS MADE L" just too close to each other

[@Shino2600]

Max Soon what does the “L” mean?

[@maxsoon2677]

@@Shino2600 it is mean the luminescent material they apply on the dial, panerai called it SuperLumiNova

[@Shino2600]

Max Soon ah! Thanks

[@mmytacist]

Timely video as I'm considering a PAM560---Thanks! Comments are helpful, too, if a little over-negative... If only Panerai had a registry to validate ownership and provenance.

[@budgetwatchguy8376]

the left looks just like a marina militare ive been eyeballin on ebay

[@OCz4Life]

You did not have the best version of replica. I don't really know what this was but it wasn't great. There are version of pam111 that are on a very high level of movement finish. Would be very hard to tell any difference unless you know what to look for or have a direct comparison with knowing the real thing

[@ADudeAndHisWatches]

If you didn't have them side by side and were kind of ignorant of Panerai like me...Totally get fooled-- But not now :) Thanks for showing us!

[@Beck-Stein]

The stamping on the movement gave it away

[@cryptostacker9114]

We live in a time where the ppl that create cloned watches also clone the tools & machinery to make the watch. If you ask me. The major brands have no justification to charge ppl £100k+ for a watch that is only some minute fractions above a clone that costs a few hundred or thousand. If you still buy from a genuine retailer then check your ego before you purchase. NO TIME PEICE IS WORTH £100k plus. #Conditionedtobeanationofconsumers 😂

[@jupatj24]

Immediately obvious, the hand stack on the replica doesn't sit flush with the pinion. The SWISS MADE is almost cutting into the 6 marker, whereas the genuine one doesn't.

[@melody3741]

Who cares if you can tell the difference? Buy a rep finish it by hand and you have something as high quality as a watch that panerai execs think is worth 10,000$.

[@Maple-Sizzurp]

Franken watches are more concerning. Replica with real parts. Makes them that much more difficult to spot

[@MrNoNNag]

real is on the right?

[@thispod]

The A in Panerai on the dial print made easy to spot the 000 as the fake even without looking at the movement (which is a clear giveaway itself).

[@S_88888]

The 111 is the fake one buddy... not the 000.

[@Ktc99999-b]

@@S_88888 LMAO

[@niben71]

The missing cam on the releaselever for the crown was an give away for me. Probably a level of detail fakes cut corners on.

[@robertmanders3271]

Just buy at a panerai dealership ore at a trusted re seller of quality watches in your area.

[@pubuss]

Hey, as far as I agree it is risky to buy gen PAMs online if those are not full boxed sets I am sorry to tell you all that the fake 111H presented in this video is a pretty loussy fake... thats not high end rep at all, not even close to good replica by any replica watches standards... With PAM replicas first you look at three things: - the center wheel pivot pin, cheaper reps never get it flush with minute hand, please compare, first dead tell - the pin that holgs CGs lever is never flush nor flat with reps, most gens have both flush and flat, this and trhe above just takes too much care on the finishing - "L swiss made L" location, with reps most likely it is closer to the "6" than to rehaut's edge, all gens have this perfectly in the middle Please make sure you know your fakes first until you try to compare and guess vs gen ones.

[@b.2221]

That was scary, but fascinating, and what beautiful watches. Thank you very much for sharing your video Sir 👍 Tam.

[@jackson7962]

Funny thing is the replica he is reviewing here is an old ass model the new ones look like the real one on the right with the correct lettering and platinum finish. I'm guessing that fake was made in 2010 lmfao

[@lud6441]

So many tips for watch cloners to fix haha

[@superameric8]

I have heard Panerai is horrible on warranty service. Reading reviews elsewhere folks have said they have had problems with Panerai with warranty, repairs, and turn around time. That being said my Rolex, Oris, and Bell & Ross have been flawless. I'm hesitant to buy ne of these watches. Maybe I'll just get a replica! LOL

[@31hallite]

If watch comes back from being serviced or repaired to quickly I would there was something wrong with it.

[@RiseUpToYourAbility]

Ehhhhh Panerai watches aren't exactly known for their quality. Just take a look at brooklyn bridge limited edition. Panerai put in unmodified straight from the factory ETA movements in those so yeh...

[@subwolff5]

It took me a few seconds to spot the fake one and I am far from being an "expert". If you own a Panerai you see and feel the difference.

[@tuono2473]

Exactly I have a gen 93 and spotted the fake in 10 secs

[@jorgec55]

That 111 screams fake even on the first 3 seconds! just look at the sunken CP and the crown guard pin. When you turn it around the incabloc is totally incorrect and the strap underside is obviously made with cheap material. I stopped watching at 3:21

[@brandonlanois1734]

I knew it immediately because the swiss made text is way too close to the bottom of 6.

[@kaisoerfjord6794]

Super demo, watch-dude.

[@Gerchanoffskiy]

I never held Panerai in my hands, but it was easy to guess which one is fake - the quality of finishing is very low, its pretty cheap fake.

[@andrewgiblin3468]

I don't know why anyone would buy a Panerai fake or real?? I've seen Panerai fakes absolutely at the same finishing quality as the one on the right.

[@juniortoledo8088]

One way to avoid a fake as well is to buy a PAM with an in-house movement. I own a 510, even though there are replicas of the P5000, its an easy tell because a plate sits over an ETA6497 faking the real P5000. The balance on a real P5000 is smaller, the barrel click can be seen moving while winding the watch, etc. The replica top plate has jewels with no pivots, fake gears, etc. It is much easier to replicate an original Panerai model that contains an ETA movement, because for example ETA 6497 are readily available.

[@jasonlayman8817]

Box and papers doesn't mean anything. I almost bough one with box and papers until i saw the movement

[@Stevenhufnagel]

Replica is the way to go for those who can't afford the overpriced version. If you are rich and can afford the latter, good for you, but who are you to tell average people that we can't have the replica? Be happy we don't rob you. China democratized the affordability of luxury goods. I'm ok with their affordable versions. I don't care how much better the expensive version is. If the Chinese version breaks down, I will fix it.

[@fergulator7297]

Yer I agree,If U can't afford gen then reps are pretty good now

[@frankhandy8868]

I’m actually looking to buy a Pam 111 but dam some of these super clones scare me!

[@Ninja_S1000RR-R]

That’s why you go to a reputable seller like DAVID SW DAVID SW DAVID SW!

[@PoltergeistWorks]

You can tell by first glance, even without looking at the movement - just take a closer look at the crown guard, the non flush pin, the non flush pressed hands. Whoever thinks this quality is even close should not be wearing either one of these, he should stick to a plastic G-SHOCK.

[@duvalpenny100]

G shock is a great brand.

[@mauricemeyer3955]

fooled me! very interesting

[@symbian74]

Very high quality movement. Pfft. Ask Panerai what they did on the PAM318. LOL

[@JANTHONYCHANNEL]

Indeed

[@yyl5336]

The fake looks good at first but many years later, the performance of the movement will suffer. The watch will lose its true beauty after it loses its power reserve. Buy real, if you want to save, buy second hand from reputable sellers.

[@peezy23]

As soon as he wound the real one I knew which was which. Play it back and listen to the difference

[@jackjohnson9161]

Like J said, always buy from a trusted seller, there are crooks all over the world, If a deal looks to good to be true it probably is. Let the buyer beware (caveat emptor), the finish of the movement on the right is in another league.

[@MsDavo123]

But luxury watch not having hacking feature is already super suspicious

[@Libertà_sulla_vita]

Obviously the first one is fake after seeing the movement. Its a Chinese made sea-gull st36 with machine finishing. Tell tale sign is the shape of the bridges and of course the garbage finish. Panerai got lazy for a while and were using off the shelf eta 6497 movements and stamping their name on the back. Older models they would break down the entire movement and refinish the whole piece which would make it harder for the chinese manufacturers to replicate.

[@MrCriterion]

it would have been better if you used the exact same model

[@nafiszamri3981]

First one is fake . Ive never seen a blue glass on a real one. And the finishing is quite clear which one is the bad one. Okay lets find outt

[@martymacfly4002]

Parnis ??

[@Dave062YT]

For $288 I'm tempted by this fake I have to say .

[@echochambers8418]

I don’t want to get crucified but I was looking at getting a Pam 111 or. Rolex Sub 2 Years Ago.I liked the look of the Panerai and I have my Grandads Rolex GMT-Master from 1960(He Paid 125.00)Anyway,Longer Story Short,I bought a Black Bay and got a Parnis (Panerai “Homage”) for 65.00.2 years later and both watches run great.The Parnis is a good cheap option if you like the look of a Panerai but not the Price.As you can tell,my collection runs from cheap To Mid Range.Great Videos.

[@michaelbishop9157]

calling them a homage is ridiculous. You're buying a copy - so own it

[@echochambers8418]

Michael Bishop I do own it.Its in my collection.

[@michaelbishop9157]

@@echochambers8418 other comment was funnier. I just can't personally bring myself to wear copies

[@Nils0scar]

Interesting. Thank you.

[@ChrisM186]

Time to get a replica!

[@duvalpenny100]

It's hard to blame anybody for buying one after this video 🤣

[@ChrisM186]

@@duvalpenny100 We need to know where the good fakes come from!

[@duvalpenny100]

@@ChrisM186 Panerai has been in hot water for a while now too. Nobody wants to buy Panerais second hand because fakes are so convincing due to their extremely simple design. Plus, their $20,000 dive watch has a 30M WR. Absolutely ridiculous.

[@ChrisM186]

​@@duvalpenny100 They look very good, I myself want one. I don't even doubt the craftmanship that goes into them. But they are seriously overpriced.

[@talatsharmit9949]

Wow i was wrong i thought the lift one is the real one

[@lmet6174]

The thing is... you compared a shitter replica and honestly the differences wouldn’t be spotted by anyone wearing them. Anyways I wanted to say my dad has a gen Pam and out of curiosity I bought a 1:1 rep from a forum online... Literally could not spot any differences other than very very very tiny ones in the movement. I was scared I would accidentally put the fake in the gen box so I even had to put a little sticker on the real one before comparing. Anyways I’m not an advocate for reps at all but I will say it is sad that they hold their value and sell 100 times faster the genuine watches. The thing you say about the reps being worthless is sadly bullshit. I wish it was true, but I posted the replica back on the forum (as I had no use for it) and I got 7 buyers in less than 30 minutes and shipped it out on the same day. As for the genuine Panerai? It’s been up for sale on 5 different sites/forums for THREE months and there hasn’t really been a serious reasonable offer. It’s sad 😔

[@neo3429]

Not gonna lie I thought the right one was real and the left one looked like it wasn’t finished as good and thought it was fake but I know nothing about panerai so whatever

[@Ninja_S1000RR-R]

Same

[@shahanshah7622]

i noticed 3 issues right off the bat: the hands, there was a gap between the center screw and the connected hands. the AR coating looked very cheap. the 12 on the dial had a very minor defect. and then it was hell obvious soon as you saw the case back writing. Thank you for the video!

[@juanmiranda4521]

I think ETA 6497 movement in this watch is overpriced,

[@Haaraff]

An ETA Unitas 6497 costs about $160, it's all the finishing that makes a movement special and more expensive. Factory finishing with Geneva stripes/blued screws like in the original Panerai is about $200. It's not the movement that's overpriced, it's the brand.

[@shpickey]

The numbers looked cheap on the fake. The printing on the dial looked shit. The lever was not as smooth.

[@ovibee4023]

Don't ever look at straps for authenticity. You can always buy a genuine strap and attach it to a fake.

[@edgarkrattiger9185]

I was also confused when I saw the strap...made in Austria..OMG..I bought once a Tissot watch, which had also a strap made in Austria, and after less then 1 year it dissolved like made of paper..and the metalllic items got rusty..(:-(((

[@sarnaldo6602]

The hand stack is another giveaway

[@davidmayden4942]

I want to buy a fake, and pay fake prices. I think the watch is beautiful, as long as it works, I just don't have the money for an authentic one.

[@optimusprime1634]

Those clones have gotten really good.

[@rich8305]

Makes sense they want the box and papers

[@Kewrock]

Real, homage, fake, I really don't care. I have a genuine Speedmaster Pro Moon and Tag Monaco Cal12. Then I have a Parnis branded U-Boat 1to1 copy, an unbranded Parnis PAM111, a knock-off Bell&Ross and a knock-off Seamaster. When I'm ready to get another real watch, I'll get the PAM111, used because they're discontinued.

[@tonyl7000]

Fake: The 12 is pretty bad and the 6 is way too close to the Swiss text. The crown and crown lock looked pretty bad while you were trying to open it. After the case was opened, it was pretty obvious.