WHY DO ALL MARVEL MOVIES LOOK SO GREY AND WASHED OUT?

[@testoftempest]

The thumbnail was inspired by that South Park meme one of you made about this segment. lmao ⏱Timestamps! 0:00 Intro 1:02 Going Over MCU Cinematography 10:20 Good Cinematography Example 17:20 Color Correcting MCU Example 20:42 Why This Looks Good 22:59 Mad Max 26:36 1917 27:53 Baby Break! 30:47 The Point of All This 37:14 Objectivity of Art 41:04 Thor Ragnarok & Guardians 44:39 Black Panther 49:52 James Bond 51:41 DCU Movies 54:51 What I Liked About 300

[@sazxcdewq123]

From which stream this segment come from? That information should be added to all the cuts imo

[@evan5854]

That picture of vaush is hilarious. Especially because Twitter people use it when flaming him lol

[@DammitBobby]

This is exactly the type of content this channel needs. Vaush goes on so many rants and tangents like this that never make it to segments that are just like this!

[@trashrabbit69]

That's because infamous utilitarian Thanos snapped half of the color palette out of the Marvel post-processing offices, leaving only half as many pigments to use.

[@RenEmell]

Thank you

[@veemie8148]

@@paultoc2657 "it's good if you don't pay attention"

[@nackskott12]

“I don't care, I didn't see it”

[@FelisImpurrator]

Pfft, Thanos is like... a right-wing parody of a utilitarian though. You know, like, "kill the poor" instead of "feed the poor". Total meme.

[@chuckthunder781]

DC was also affected in the opposite direction. That's why their movies are always so dark.

[@davidpictures6809]

I personally like it that vaush sometimes doesn’t talk about politics and talks about something else it’s a nice change of pace for a little bit.

[@BornOnThursday]

The Vaush Pit channel was a good idea.

[@signorcase5750]

Ironically it's in segments like these that chat gets the most mad lmao

[@BornOnThursday]

@@signorcase5750 Probably because they don't think about these subjects as much as politics.

[@holligames8136]

Would be nice if he wasn't totally wrong tho.

[@SerCrispinCool]

Honestly, I prefer the other things he talks about over the political talks. Like they’re cool and all, but I already agree with him on just about everything, so it’s really cool when he talks about other stuff.

[@abhuman802]

"What is Spider-Man swinging on? Great question! Don't ask it."

[@hgbguy]

My dingalinga dingdong. (Please forgive me)

[@Clarkzer0]

A chitauri leviathan, but that'd require more thought than a poor jab could muster.

[@obama2200]

Uncle Ben

[@deeepdale]

@@Clarkzer0 mans webs do not go up that far lol they was in the clouds

[@movieblocks9164]

It’s funny because comic books are all about setting up good visuals on page but then you just get to these movies and have this.

[@sarahwinn2453]

Meanwhile Spiderverse really went all-in on making its visuals as much like a comic book as possible, and the result is spectacular (pun intended)

[@Matthew.E.Kelly.]

I'm guessing half the reason it's a goddam Herculean task to make a decent comic book movie is because of that fact. The medium of visual figure art + scene + the need for movement & characterization, world-building... It's *a lot* of goddam work just making a comic book. Translating all of it over to film is impossible enough, but considering time constraints, _reality_ constraints, the restrictions of budgets... problems with portraying the impossible just add up the more you think about it. I'm a comic book fan first & an MCU fan second, but it's a very distant second. I can't go from reading _Age of Ultron_ to watching the movie & not feel robbed. Not just because there are things in the comics that are impossible to do even with CGI but because the whole damn story is different 😆 they couldn't make the original story into a movie because the prerequisites include characters that haven't even appeared in the MCU yet. In short it's damn near impossible to "do" comic book movies, but what the MCU gives us is a reason to appreciate the comics that much more 😎

[@nackskott12]

@@sarahwinn2453 Spiderverse was great and it's good proof that animation is the better medium for comic book adaptions imo, it really nails the look and feel of reading comics. Live action has always felt like a weird and torturous way to adapt comics since you inevitably have to use copious amounts of CGI anyway, you might as well just do it all in CG and stylize the fuck out of it.

[@Matthew.E.Kelly.]

@Garry Snail Obviously. The existence of the movies makes you appreciate the comics more precisely because they're terrible compared to the source material. 🤔

[@billbutton8468]

You say that like comic book movies arent known for their great visuals

[@mud19]

6:06 I'm so proud I was in an avengers movie and vaush pointed me out, so honored

[@Sleepless_Sam]

Honestly, you stole every scene you were in. Bravo.

[@franciscomilacher9329]

I'm sorry, what was your name again?

[@mud19]

@@franciscomilacher9329 my name is mud

[@jessbian3385]

@@mud19 *un-less claypools your bass*

[@mud19]

@@jessbian3385 noooooooo

[@renaigh]

Never ask: A Man: His salary A Woman: Her age Spiderman: Where is the web connecting?

[@mauvedragontiddies9244]

It really says a lot how Vaush will just pull up beautiful shots from other movies that could be used as wallpapers, and someone in chat will shittalk it because they're still mad from the awful Endgame shot he showed before it. I simply can't understand the truly obsessive worshipping of Marvel movies, it seriously reaches insane and delusional levels. And this case was just about cinematography in particular, and people couldn't even handle that.

[@squishish]

Yep. I am a **amateur** artist and like... looking at Endgame's color palette is saddening lol. You know those "bright night" kind of movie effects, where in the movie it's supposed to be nighttime, but the actors were filming during the day..? So in post, they just.. slap a dark blue filter on it and call it a day. Somehow Endgame looks worse than that, because they slapped a desaturation on it and also increased the shadows. Severely muddied. Do you know how beautiful these shots could have been?? They could have been so crisp, and so bright(not too bright) and balanced... instead they went with *this* for "grit" factor. Saddening, really. Edit: I'd like to add this entirely because of later comments from chat lol. The values of Endgame are all the same. Movies like Blade Runner have different values despite being nearly monochrome.

[@benjamincooper5879]

The MCU worship is really weird to me too. Like, I can respect those films for being the fun, bread-and-circuses type spectacle that they are, but pretending that they're some sort of artistic triumph is absolutely delusional.

[@jasonfenton8250]

@@benjamincooper5879 I'd actually say Marvel is the only "cinematic universe" that really pulled it off. Seeing all these characters from different movies with all these different plot threads come together and not become a giant mess is actually an artistic triumph. The scale of Infinity War is frankly baffling and should have become incomprehensible. It takes really talented writing and direction to keep it coherent. Don't get me wrong, it was all in service of cgi people punching each other, but they did do some things that I can't think of any other movie doing.

[@benjamincooper5879]

@@jasonfenton8250 Nah, I hard disagree. To me, the MCU is an incomprehensible mess. There's so many concurrent, half-baked sub-plots and deus ex machina hocus pocus magic bullshit that I long ago gave up trying to keep up. These movies are at their best when CGI Robert Downey Jr. punches other CGI man and then says funny/cool one-liner. They're entertaining enough to watch, but the writing and cinematography is mediocre at best.

[@malum9478]

nah a big problem is that he's comparing a scene that's inherently supposed to be messy, gritty, and also not supposed to be taken as a screencap, and comparing them to scenes that are inherently supposed to be framed better as trailer shots. obviously cyberpunk will look better than most of marvel movies, but also the shots from endgame's ending are fight scenes in motion, or inconsequential transitionary scenes. there is evidence of marvel having cool shot choreography and better composition, this just wasn't the time. the overall criticism feels weird considering this--even if i fundamentally agree with most of what is being said.

[@kyro8559]

but i like when big CGI man punch other CGI man until one die edit: i’m a fan of the MCU i recognize it’s not perfect

[@ihaveasecret9539]

Gigachad: “Yes.”

[@soccerruben1]

MCU fan as well, but also realize that it’s not perfect.

[@RohanJoshi910]

I’ve been an MCU fan since the first Iron Man, but ya Vaush is kinda right lol. A lot of MCU movies have very uninspired coloring and shooting styles. Not always ofc, GOTG Vol. 2, Thor Ragnarok, WandaVision, and Loki have had some really beautifully shot scenes, so there’s hope for the future still.

[@squishish]

nah Vaush is incredibly right. Endgame's lighting, esp for the end fight, was *terrible.* You guys deserved better!! Endgame deserved better lighting than any of those shows/movies you mentioned, as it's such a climatic and cinematic premise.

[@soccerruben1]

Hey, with Feige on the reins, I’m sure he and crew will figure out how to improve its projects and not botch the comic book characters (*cough cough* Taskmaster *cough cough*). But yeah, it’s not perfect but it’s a work in progress. Also, had not for director of IronMan, Jon Favreau, pleading with Marvel Studios to do a movie with an actor who just recovered from addiction, all these movies and tv shows (no matter how their performance at the box office are) would not have been existed, if anything, ask DC movies and shows how they’re doing.

[@trentoni3964]

eh loki still looks way too dark and muddy a lot of the time, to the point where it's kind of hard to watch it on a tv during the day

[@Nyanx4]

Am I the only one who actually agrees with him? I'm sorry, but all the Marvel movies look exactly the same to me. Surely fans would want there to _also_ be improvements to something you guys already like, yeah? I just want color in my fucking movies, and you can use darkness in scenes to contrast them for emotional beats. It's useful. Besides, the real world actually _does_ have a lot of color, it's not unrealistic to have more than a grey-brown color palette with heavy lighting. And if a movie is going to be primarily CGI, I'd want there to be a really strong art direction that makes its visuals timeless even as technology continues.

[@iankellymorris]

Yeah, I'm a huge MCU fan, and two of my biggest gripes with the movies are the lack of color and the mostly boring music. As much as I like these movies, I do kind of look at them as a waste of human creativity. Just so much technical skill going into every part of them, but because every part has to appeal to the widest possible audience, they lose out on a lot of what makes movies unique.

[@FelisImpurrator]

It isn't an MCU issue, it's a broader capitalism issue - design by committee relies on the opinions of out-of-touch execs who think the correct way to appeal to everyone is to deliberately appeal to nothing in particular. The exact same issue plagues videogames.

[@Nyanx4]

@@FelisImpurrator I'm aware, and yet I'm still always shocked when fans are satisfied with these sorts of visuals. I would say I'm pretty picky about most of my interests though, so maybe it has more to do with how you engage with the medium.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@iankellymorris I think the core of the problem is that execs think like conservatives. Subtractive mentality - cut down everything that stands up, rather than adding on and building up everything that falls short. Thanos is ironically the perfect example of this mindset. Instead of providing more resources or better distribution, he decided to kill off people instead - subtract the symptoms, rather than address the cause, and demand gratitude afterward. And just like the average Republican politician, he isn't capable of imagining a different way.

[@MikeSpike117]

I’m a pretty big fan of the MCU but I agree the colour needs to be so much more vibrant and pop like a comic book. I like GOTG2 because it’s fun and colourful and able to be self contained I just wish there was more like it

[@theflea3469]

What's funny about the Marvel-color-digs is that I'm pretty sure The Boys also comments on their lack of color in a subtle way...when they're filming the "Dawn of the 7" movie? You can see the color pallet get COMPLETELY washed out...to like this brownish/orangish/yellowish color. It's kind of a subtle dig, but man is it jarring when they "cut" filming and go back to the "normal" pallet.

[@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken]

The Boys has so many subtle and unsubtle digs at the genre. Amazing show. Every Marvel movie fan (and I am one) should watch it, given that they're of appropriate age for the glorious amounts of violence, gore, and breastfeeding fetishism.

[@makokenji4350]

The Boys aren't in the position to criticize anyone after that cringy second season.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@makokenji4350 I mean the criticism is sound, regardless of the delivery

[@sacredbeastzenon]

@@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken Nah, The Boys is garbage. Season 1 was at best a 6/10, but season 2 on the other hand is a 4/10.

[@theflea3469]

I personally really like The Boys. Out of curiosity...I've heard a couple times IRL people say the second season wasn't as good? But then not really articulate why they say that...I think the second season is more "dense," but not necessarily better or worst because of that.

[@Herbiesainty]

Blade Runner is so good because of its brutalism, it just knows how to use it in its cinematography

[@mr.irrelevent8956]

Both Blade runner movies are unironically boring.

[@jasonfenton8250]

@@mr.irrelevent8956 You can't deny that they look breathtaking though, right? I mean, no Marvel movie can compete with the visuals of either Blade Runner.

[@juvedoo99]

@@mr.irrelevent8956 Nah.

[@mr.irrelevent8956]

@@jasonfenton8250 oh yeah of course they are visually stunning. I just think the plot and writing are uninteresting.

[@miniman2132]

@@mr.irrelevent8956 All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

[@lexlang7688]

Most of my problem with the modern MCU cinematography is more so the busyness of the frame, everything feels like sensory overload. In Blade Runner there is a wonderful balance of empty simplistic frames, and overpacked crowded cities. It seems like a lot of the modern blockbusters have less contrast, as if everything must be perfectly exposed at all times, but by not allowing pure white and black tones sometimes it feels very washed out, and makes it harder to make certain shots stand out.

[@poncho3326]

This is a better take than this segment, I really like Marvel movies, for reasons largely unrelated to the cinematography, but yes, you're 100% correct.

[@JPOPepicure]

I think the problem is Marvel movies like most mordern movies want that grey realism. They don't want it to look too cartoony.

[@blu3260]

It makes it feel like someone just really wanted to turn the MvC roster into a movie but didn't have permission from capcom and got help from DC's lighting department

[@podpoe]

as someone with a litteral degree in art and design, vaush's take here is based and accurate

[@zenscope8090]

In the end it's not like the shit matters, these movies still make millions of dollars because no one cares about colors when the average person watches a movie

[@joaodelgado6696]

meh it seems to me like his takes are still the very rigid rule based thinking that thinks art is objectively crique dthroughe stablishmed paramers. criqituing shots for not being 'in center' just seems close minded

[@dffgffffffdddddddddd]

@@joaodelgado6696 Yeah, he seems to be viewing it as photography instead of cinematography, you don't view movies like slideshows and stare at the image for 6 minutes at a time, it's always in motion. Like the shot with the arrows he was talking about, he didn't know where the "focus" was in the image. When it was was pretty simple, the arrows pointed at the focus in the shot. You notice the orange explosion, and then your eyes naturally move towards the dark arrows on the bright background, and then follow the direction of the arrows, pretty simple.

[@joaodelgado6696]

@@dffgffffffdddddddddd yeah this remninds me of the dumb take spopel make when analysing still frames in animated moveis and claiming the art sucks when they are clearly in between frames

[@nikkovalidor4890]

also as someone from. the art field, vaush's take here is "didn't ask, dont care"

[@MDoorpsy]

"Vaush told the truth, and the people hated him for it."

[@uglypatch7077]

As a concept artist, I think vaush is referring to the strength of value in compositions to help in storytelling as opposed to good vs muddy colors. The backbone of a good image in color, is a good structure of values.

[@thepicausno5561]

When the characters are mudied, the background is muddied, and all the effects are muddy, you don't have a good sense of contrast, which ruins the focus of the shot. What am I supposed to look at when the two grayish blue captain americas are fighting in the grayish blue building with grayish blue lighting?

[@LimeyLassen]

I'm having flashbacks to the first X-Men film and how all their uniforms were black leather.

[@user-gk9pl6vl5v]

I love every aspect from Blade Runner: 2049 - from the cinematography, to the actin, philosophical themes, psychoanalisis, and the screenplay

[@michaelmckeown5396]

Music wasn't as good as the original.

[@user-gk9pl6vl5v]

@@michaelmckeown5396 I don't remember the music. There was some great sound mixing tho

[@trumplostlol5281]

@@michaelmckeown5396 it wasn’t, because Hanz Zimmer is getting a little too formulaic, the score of the original movie is better, BUT “Sea Wall” was a great composition from Blade Runner 2049

[@jasonfenton8250]

@@trumplostlol5281 I really like the music for the Wallace HQ with the Mongolian throat singing. But generally I find Zimmer highly overrated and he certainly can't compete with Vangelis.

[@krkngd-wn6xj]

​@@michaelmckeown5396Yea, it was much more formulaic then the original's music. I can still see someone liking it tho.

[@lahmpp]

I swear chat is getting more artistically illiterate the more they breath

[@opheliagrey2597]

It's cause they're all gamers

[@hgbguy]

@@opheliagrey2597 sad but true.

[@andreadamon2197]

@@opheliagrey2597 That’s true, but they should expect more from games too lol

[@vaultdude4871]

@@andreadamon2197 more polygons gooder! :SMOOTH:

[@supershinigami1]

I guess they're big "Let people enjoy things" people.

[@unclebobboomergames]

Idk why chat was so surprised. It's not like the love the fans have for these movies are based on its cinematography. Mines not. I still have a love for McDonald's. Doesn't mean i pretend it's good. We all like things that aren't "good." A marvel movie doesn't visually impress me. But I dont expect it to. It's not why I care about movies. For someone like vaush who cares about that sort of thing it makes sense. I care much more about the attachment that you build with the characters over the years. These movies started when I was a junior in high school. It's just been a journey to go on. It's like DragonBall. You watch it for the connection you have and accept the schlock on its own terms. Chat needs to chill and just like whatever tf they like without their daddy's dislike of it bothering them.

[@goldegreen]

The muddy colored ones are also super difficult to determine what's even going on. Someone with poor vision - or, heck, anyone who's not used to it - will have a very hard time differentiating characters and processing events that happen.

[@Aes_Saru]

Vaush you really need to take your chat to art school.

[@beezusHrist]

Vaush needs to go to art school. The MCU movies are NOT washed out. That would be the DCEU MOVIES

[@Aes_Saru]

@@beezusHrist lol buddy as someone who went to art school. Vaush knows exactly what he is talking about in this all my friends and fellow students who was in it agree along with college professors.

[@beezusHrist]

@@Aes_Saru Appeal to an authority you do not have... I don't give a fuck if you say you went to "Art school", the Marvel movies are not "washed out" and using an INSTANCE of ONE SCENE as an example of them being washed out is dumb and just is not true objectively speaking.

[@beezusHrist]

@@Aes_Saru That ONE SCENE from Endgame looks like that because the Avenger's compound was BOMBED and then Thor summoned lightning clouds when he summoned his weapons. Maybe you need to pay more attention to what is happening on screen before commenting... you and Vaush.

[@Aes_Saru]

@@beezusHrist lol apparently i do considering this is me you are talking too about a experience i personally have. Piss off.

[@gallade1052]

I love seeing the marvel simps freaking out in his chat.

[@Gloomdrake]

Why is his chat so dumb?

[@jatkinson85]

@@Gloomdrake because it's filled with 14 year olds on the internet for the first time unsupervised...

[@zr_1234]

I love marvel movies but Vaush is right the cinematography is absolutely garbage.

[@beezusHrist]

@@zr_1234 You're completely wrong. You guys are confusing DC with Marvel.

[@sillycookie]

Pacific rim was a technically an apocalypse kaiju film but has beautiful colors and striking scenes that I still remember to this day. Just because the film is serious/has a serious tone doesn't mean it has to be ugly and washed out.

[@vitor262]

Someone will get really mad and make a 2 hour video "debunking Vaush's arguments about Marvel movies"

[@Baffon100]

I need more of these design rants lol.

[@holcanperez9412]

I think vaush knows enough about the subject to be right While not knowing enough to explain why he is right I'm not complaining, I like this segments a lot

[@aquabluerose7734]

I believe the word Vaush is looking for is contrast. Having decent contrast, and placing the main areas of high contrast well, results in a good image. The "mud" appears to be a lack of variation in the Luma axis (light to dark) in the important part of the shots. Some shots look underexposed even in the highlights as well. At times it almost looks like they didn't color correct the footage (usually footage is recorded on low contrast settings to increase dynamic range and then sliders are fiddled with in post to bring it back to normal) Color isn't necessary for a good composition (black and white films can look perfectly un-muddy) as long as you nail Luma contrast.

[@trucluu7894]

I think the problem is that marvel movie make the AIR look dusty, while the good example has the ITEMS looks dusty. Both obscure details on the items, but the marvel example make it seem like the camera is off focus and ugly, while the other example make images look crisp, and the only reason people can't see the detail is all the dust

[@eoghan.5003]

What I hate about certain marvel movie fans is that when you criticise the films they call you an elitist, as if you're the Tory for not sucking off these samey corporate products made by the bureaucracy of the biggest film manufacturer ever as genius cinema.

[@Bailey-dj6hz]

Omg yeah if you like films considered more "artsy" or just more critically acclaimed things that aren't universe end, cgi man fight, people will make out that you're so pretentious and against the films of the people

[@jasonfenton8250]

Unfortunately popularist rhetoric on both the left and right have lead to this kind of thinking. Where only ivory tower intellectuals are disappointed by generic cgi punch-man films. I do like some Marvel, but all the movies lately have been totally boring from a visual perspective. You know they pre-viz and start working on the cgi fights before they even have a director?

[@Bailey-dj6hz]

@@jasonfenton8250 wow that's dissapointing. And yeah you're right you only hear people go after marvel movies when it's like scorcese but it'd be great to hear some less elitist appearing public figures express some dislike for it but you'll never hear it because they'll all surely be employed by them one day. Watch loki if you want a marvel hope pill tho it brings back the creativity into this shit

[@krkngd-wn6xj]

I'm fucking sorry, capeshit fans, but yes, CGI fight between capeman 1 and capeman 2 is objectively not good cinema lmao. Only people that do this shit is Marvel fans and YA book fans. I like me some shitty pulp sci fi, and nobody in those circles thinks their favorite guilty pleasure movie is some big masterpiece. I just rewatched the Blade movie for the umpteenth time. I enjoy it a ton, it's a cheesy, edgy 2000s action movie, it's like average cinema at best. People really can't fucking separate "I like it" from "it is good", can they. A lot of Marvel fans seem to think "the more I like it, the better movie it is"

[@RazloTPD]

The most hilarious chat comment was when Vaush had one of the Bladerunner shots on screen and somebody said ''looks fake to me''. Well yeah, it's a cinematographic representation of a fictional future. I'm so sick and tired of people having this attitude (to films and videogames) that the metric for 'good' is 'how realistic does it look'? I don't need my fantasy and sci-fi films to look REALISTIC. They aren't realistic. I want them to look appealing. I want them to fit the tone of the story. I love visual storytelling, and good use of colour and control of the vibrancy does a lot to impact emotion. Ironically, even the real world is more colourful and interesting than a lot of these 'realistic' films. It reminds me of when the Christian Bale Batman series first started, and the buzzwords ''dark and gritty'' took off.

[@swanpride]

And it is fine if it looks fake is if you go for a fake look. But that is not what Marvel is doing. Their whole thing is "it's your world, just with some extra". Hence their goal is to create something we can imagine happening right outside OUR window. It is just a different approach, not worse or better than creating a hightened reality, and for Marvel movies ultimatively the right approach because that is their whole thing.

[@psycamorean]

Honestly, some of the chat and the comments are like reddit atheist tier. It's very cool that you don't like Marvel movies, I promise.

[@bigbawlzlebowski8886]

Yeah. I'm curious to what these other people are into that make them so cultured.

[@psycamorean]

@@bigbawlzlebowski8886 The answer is anime.

[@Zodore.]

Oh, you like popular thing? Hmph, don't you know popular thing bad now? *Intense scoffing* >Here's my hot take about popular thing please don't hate... >Gets upvoted to hell >Omg so brave go off >Gets every award ever >Edit: thanks for the gold kind stranger!

[@robrotron2084]

Exactly. The Marvel movies are on the whole just mediocre, no worse than any other big summer blockbuster and maybe even better than most, if you don't like them fine but the backlash against them online is not proportional to their quality or lack thereof it's proportional to their popularity and primarily about virtue signalling than you're not part of the "lowest common denominator"

[@Gloomdrake]

@@Zodore. but the criticisms are true. If you still enjoy the movies that's fine. Unfortunately, internet discourse requires everything to be rated either a 0 or a 10

[@user-nc3gf8gt8m]

The reason the color is so limited is to blend the characters because the art style choices don't fit together realistically, it falls within an uncanny valley between comic book/realism. It would look even more like an uncanny clusterfuck if the colors were more saturated.

[@bolshevikY2K]

Underrated comment. Justice League had this exact thing going on where some of the same shots looked way better in the Snyder Cut just because they were darker.

[@user-nc3gf8gt8m]

@@bolshevikY2K yep, had they not done that people would be complaining that it looks fake. Better people call it muddy than artificial looking.

[@Shulwelld]

Which basically just leads back to the fact that these movies are just conceptually empty cash grabs

[@cribate7548]

@@Shulwelld Why do you think the MCU is an empty cash grab? Not all of them are good but I still do think they try to make a good story out of thes movies.

[@swanpride]

@@cribate7548 Because some people think that they look smart if they dismiss what is successful as being "for the masses".

[@movieblocks9164]

18:55 this is seriously something i liked about steppenwolf in, once again, the Snyder cut. The reflective armor made him a purpleish type color.

[@_KungFuBarbie_]

All I’m going to say is that some Marvel movies are far better than others. Endgame was a muddy, fan-servicey mess. Thor: Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy (1 and 2) are beautiful and very well done. I’d also go further to say that Infinity war is also one of the best. It doesn’t fear color and all of the battles are easy to follow (with the exception of the first half of the Wakanda battle madness).

[@ArtoriaZz2137]

I was surprised how much I enjoyed Infinity War despite not watching like 80% of marvel movies, and how disappointing Endgame was. I loved Thor:Ragnarok while hating 1st one and not even remembering what 2nd one was about, it was so forgetable. 3rd one was just packed full of gags and it was more comedy film that superhero one. Good fun IMO.

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

Even the Marvel movies I like, mainly Guardians, aren't as good as my favorite movies. Is there any Marvel movies that rival No Country for Old Men? I just don't think so. They're just the biggest blockbuster genre right now.

[@_KungFuBarbie_]

@@ThePsychoRenegade NERRRRRRDDDDD

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

@@_KungFuBarbie_ guilty as charged

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Marvel Movies are generally just "meh" at best. They are super samey. It feels like a waste of time to watch them compared to something else. Everyone sh"ts on live-action DC but I am much more excited for more of DC's upcoming works than Marvel's. Birds of Prey is the best film I have ever seen to analyze from a feminist perspective. Shazam is fun romp that isn't like anything else on the market. Aquaman feels like a Marvel Movie but good. Suicide Squad 2 has motherf"cking King Shark and is being made by the guy who made the best Marvel film (Guardians of the Galaxy.) And they just seem to have more freedom and are taking their movies in different directions. Even Venom is more enjoyable and exciting than Marvel movies and that is a Sony production.

[@TRICROTIC1]

"looks fake to me." This guy should've been banned.

[@Gloomdrake]

What did they mean by that?

[@LowStuff]

@@Gloomdrake photorealistic cinematography looked fake to them. I guess they expect the weird hollywood filters that have been fed to them for ages now.

[@meks1478]

But it did look fake.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@meks1478 fake how?

[@meks1478]

@@Gloomdrake too crisp.

[@jakobmogenson5150]

The Loki discussion being cut from this segment is a real shame, the show had really solid cinematography that deserved acknowledgement if you ask me.

[@robrotron2084]

Also Vaush's complaints about the time travel not making sense were just really dumb. He asked why they couldn't just send more people back to the same point in time to try again if they failed at something, but the time travel in the MCU is explicitly stated to work on the multiverse concept, changing something on the last doesn't change your timeline it just creates a new different timeline and preventing the creation of new timelines is literal what the the TVA is trying to do.

[@jakobmogenson5150]

@@robrotron2084 True, that was a bit frustrating to see, especially knowing how in depth the show goes into explaining all that. At least as in depth as you can go without losing be viewer. Time travel stories will always require a certain suspension of disbelief to make them work, so as long as the viewer can get past the premise and rules of the universe, they can enjoy the story for what it is. In the case of Loki, the time travel and alternate timeline elements are used as a means of breaking down his character and forcing him to reflect and grow in ways that haven’t been explored before, but also wouldn’t be possible without the context of time travel. It’s a balancing act not many stories can pull off, but I was pleasantly surprised at just how well Loki did it. Easily the best of the three marvel shows, definitely more memorable than a good chunk of the other mcu movies.

[@sacredbeastzenon]

@@robrotron2084 Nah, Vaush is correct about Loki. It really doesn't make any sense. The writing is terrible.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Loki is really f"cking boring visually most of the time. 90% of the conversations are shot reverse shot in a static almost monochrome room. The actors have to be so physical and expressive just to make up for it. Give me wacky angles. Make them travel between locations while watching. Learn colours other than Grey and Purple (though the purple is a massive improvement over the norm.) Don't rely on everyone dramatically waving their arms around while they talk.

[@jakobmogenson5150]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 That’s really interesting, because I interpreted the visual style as a creative choice that was complimentary to the themes and the story. The idea of Loki, a larger than life character and literal God, being brought down to earth in a way and being forced to fall in line by getting a job working for the boring and bureaucratic TVA is a fun and interesting idea in and of itself I think. It’s only fitting that the cinematography represents the mundane reality of such a powerful cosmic force. Plus, I found that the most memorable and interesting scenes were those which simply focused on conversations between two characters. The most powerful special effect a filmmaker has at their disposal is actors simply acting. I think the restraint shown throughout the show to not go way over the top with effects or camera work or anything else and just letting the actors deliver dynamic performances to be such a delightful and refreshing treat in the MCU. The difference in opinions I’ve seen regarding Loki has been really cool to see, because it means people are really thinking about and responding to the media they’re consuming. Whether or not that’s a positive or negative response is what makes it fun. I really enjoyed the show not just because I had fun watching it, but because it was captivating and it stuck with me after each episode. I didn’t lose interest and it kept me thinking, which I think is one of the most impressive things a piece of media can do.

[@MikeSpike117]

As someone who’s looking to go into animation and the fact his dad is part of the industry I mostly agree with Vaush on this. There’s a difference between muddy and dark, and you can still have monotone colours while still being a beautiful shot

[@DarthAlphaTheGreat]

The thing is you CAN make a mushy simple colour film if the intent is to show dread in the boring sense. That's possible, like an office job, or the mindlessness of war. But then in the epic triumph of the hero, it contrasts it with full color.

[@krkngd-wn6xj]

Well, yes, but Marvel doesn't have the thematic depth for that in the first place. And even then, look at Satantango, you can still do gorgeous shots while filling the viewer with dread and apathy. Tho I guess expecting average directors to have the genius and sheer basedness of Tarr is unfair.

[@SkyFire2112]

People who think marvel movies are the best things ever are actually the worst

[@Keihzaru]

Marvel Stans always react like you are trying to opress them whenever anyone says anything critical of their pop corn flicks.

[@miniman2132]

I think the underlying problem with why comments like this annoy me so much is that I associate this kind of negativity with mopey teenagers. I think most people get to a point of maturity where they start defining themselves and others by what they like, rather than what they dislike. Somebody new I met likes Anime, I really haven't watched any and don't feel any urge to, but I'm glad they like Anime in the same way that I hope they would see my interests as a positive. Ultimately I will respect these people much more than I do somebody who deep dives on pointless (in the big picture) nitpicks because .. I donno, they maybe haven't grown out of the mode of thought that hating things is what cool people do. Want to moan about a colour palette that objectively isn't as flawless as Blade Runner 2049 but still pretty good? Sure, go for it. But how many other films reach the level of stylistic perfection that 2049 achieved? Very few if any. So the only real argument here is "Why isn't this film as stylish as the most stylistically complete film ever released?" ... It just seems needlessly negative .. at what point are we just ranting at nothing, you know?

[@Keihzaru]

@@miniman2132 I think you are just whinning about people not liking your Disney pop corn flicks as if that were some major transgression.

[@miniman2132]

@@Keihzaru What about my comment made you think I believe it's a major transgression?

[@Keihzaru]

@@miniman2132 The fact that you wrote a small essay about it.

[@miniman2132]

@@Keihzaru alright dude you’re just a troll, got it.

[@d-5037]

I wish solarpunk trended as a genre. It would be very cool to see the aesthetics on a big screen, and I think solarpunk's message would do good for society.

[@beansfebreeze]

My theory is that it's because marvel writers are so afraid of sincerity unless it's part of a big event (the endgame deaths) or to move the plot along (that lady Steve liked). They're so concerned with keeping keeping characters static to not alienate fans that I think it comes out in the overall aesthetic. So many scenes that would played straight in other films are undercut by snarky remarks because marvel writers usually refuse to step out of their grey, generic safety until the plot is given to people chosen specifically because they'll add in some spice.

[@dynamicworlds1]

You're not wrong. They do have a habit of undercutting many of their moments that should be great with a joke and it really comes across as being afraid of being seen to take most of what they're doing seriously in a frankly jeuvinile way.

[@TheArtistKnownAsNooblet]

Captain America literally becomes anti government and Tony Stark pro. The fuck are you talking about? Most of the characters have multi movie long arks that believably change their character.

[@beansfebreeze]

@@TheArtistKnownAsNooblet I literally said they'll do it to move the plot along. They knew they were gonna make civil war so yeah they made cap change specifically for that but a character shouldn't change just so they can make more conflict in another movie. And I don't like how they developed iron man because they kind of ruined his arc. Iron Man one was great and gave him a great arc. He was gonna stop making weapons that he said protected people despite having the potential to kill tons of people and only make things that he could use to help. Flash forward to infinity war and he's telling cap that he should have been allowed to break the freedoms of all people so he could spy on anyone at any time and kill them at a moment's notice. They actively made him a worse person and that's somehow worse than not changing him at all.

[@felipe3724]

the kick ass movie has some really good cinematography for a super heroe movie

[@alliandrablack7751]

And it has a little bit of color!

[@jadetortellini6150]

The severe lack of rimlight really upsets me. That's like the best lighting element, it creates so much color dynamism, dimension, contrast its just nice.

[@sayrahjohans3559]

I feel like most video games are hella gray these days too

[@TheLegend-yn3ft]

I will never take movie opinions from someone who doesn’t consume music

[@Zeberai]

I consumed like 3 musics earlier and marvel is still shit

[@tylerhackner9731]

True I wish Vaush was more of a music man

[@adnwzhre]

So true lmao. And besides, conversations like these on movies/music is almost purely subjective. It's almost like the DC vs Marvel convo. Both make completely different styles of movies VERY well. In the case of DC though, they just started perfecting there style of movies recently. Joker, Wonder Woman, etc...

[@FracFern32]

Agreed

[@michaelmckeown5396]

Marvel is cringe, the only good thing was guardians of the galaxy and even that was mostly cringe.

[@julianlastname5730]

I think the big thing is having the background contrast with the foreground. If the foreground is dark the background should be light, and if the foreground is dark the background should be lighter. Marvel movies don’t have a good barrier between backgrounds and the focus of the shots

[@jessechuff]

The biggest thing is matching the look to the mood of the scene and remaining consistent between scenes. As mentioned you can be monochromatic or with a limited color palette but make it work within the context of the scene. Honestly even a muddy looking visual can be used appropriately. But there is something AGONIZINGLY dull about the way Marvel movies look and feel. Apart from the visuals, everything lacks so much impact to me. I’ll admit I’ll have fun watching them, but they rarely ever leave an impact.

[@WillTheGreatest]

Me when new vaush content: :) Me when he makes thorough and fair criticisms of my favorite franchise in order to make fans and creators more considerate: :(

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

I really agree, in part, with Scorcese. If you're going to a Marvel movie for great cinematography, groundbreaking plot, or amazing characters you're going to the wrong place. They're theme park rides.

[@LimeyLassen]

You say that, but the 2nd gen X-Men movies were highly good.

[@poncho3326]

The plot and characters in Marvel can be very interesting, you just gotta see these movies as really big TV episodes rather than a self-contained story. How much of that appeal is due to the sheer scope of the story being told, I can't say, but its certainly unique in film stroytelling. The cinematography is subpar though, most of the time at least.

[@ThePsychoRenegade]

@@poncho3326 I definitely think all the connections and larger universe of Marvel movies is cool but I don't know how much it really adds to the movies themselves. In the future, I can't see people rewatching every film to get the full experience, I doubt most people do now.

[@poncho3326]

@@ThePsychoRenegade Personnaly that was my experience, I used to think of Marvel movies as dumb fun without much meaning, but Civil War made me more interested in the longer storylines, the themes and connections, so I went and rewatched most of the MCU to get that, and it was a good experience.

[@swanpride]

If you want amazing characters, you are much more likely to find them in a Marvel movie than in Scorcese blood feast.

[@josephinehendricks]

Color saturation is not nearly as important as color value. If you put any screenshot from Endgame into a black and white filter, it would be impossible to disinguish anything

[@thatdarnskag5043]

Is it me or were some of these MCU screenshots taken either when the camera was in motion, or during a relatively busy or action-heavy scene? I’m not sure if it’s a fair comparison to screenshots from locked-down scenes in Blade Runner or Mad Max. Could be the emotions I felt during the MCU movies “coloured” the scenes in a more positive light to me though. Also, the one thing I had a less positive opinion of during Mad Max was the CGI sandstorm, so hearing Vaush use it as a good example was a little surprising to me.

[@hgbguy]

Well no it wasn't just locked down scenes in bladerunner the explosion for example has motion but can pause with good but simple detail keeping it crisp by doing so. Sometimes less detail more simple crisp colours and silhouettes can make it easier to get good image throughout action. A lot of avengers need to cram as many heros into the background to appease fans at the expense of clarity and showing only pertinent info. I think background becomes more important if your scanning the background for your fav hero. I think for that reason the idea of having all the heros at once only works witg comics. Even then the comics that bring everyone toghether is a mess because nobody gets enough time or detail. Its almost a functional problem that comes with the concept of such a divided focus.

[@collabrec]

hollywood be like: ⬛🟫🟫🟫🌈✊🟫🟫🟫⬛ "ah, that's hot"

[@jonkick9221]

Hot take, most of the Marvel movies are exactly the same movie with a different skin.

[@trumplostlol5281]

“Hot take”? That’s just the truth

[@bobpope3656]

Welcome to 2010 when the rest of us noticed that

[@Gloomdrake]

The ones everyone likes are the ones that deviate from the mold

[@poncho3326]

At this point you should make it clear what you are talking about, if you are talking about cinematography, then sure, ok why not, but when it comes to themes and story there's a lot more variety in the MCU. Vaush is right in most of his complaints here, but that doesn't automatically makes marvel movies worthless are bad, they are weak when it comes to cinematography, but have other qualities.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@poncho3326 he's only talking about cinematography here

[@squishish]

damn I wish Vaush went into his art program to grey scale all of these, just to show how the contrast and value of colors is everything. That's entirely Endgame's problem, and the other movies/shows benefit.

[@mx.terious3033]

I love how this segment goes on and on mainly because some marvel simps in chat keep making fun of vaush for daring to criticize a marvel movie lmaooo

[@XIII_Vanitas]

I don't get it, what color should a battlefield that has just been carpet-bombed twice be?

[@beezusHrist]

Exactly!! These are SUPER dumb takes. The Avengers compound was BOMBED and then Thor summoned lighting. These people have ADD....

[@beezusHrist]

@Antisocial Freak WHAT is lazy??? Qualify the statements you make. I just explained to you why the final battle scene looked like that. So WHAT is lazy about it and WHY? WHAT COLOR SHOULD A BATTLEFIELD THAT HAS JUST BEEN CARPETBOMBED TWICE BY THE MOST POWERFUL SHIP IN THE UNIVERSE BE??????? Are you LUNATICS going to be complaining about how D-Day looked during the start of Saving Private Ryan, too? Jesus This isn't criticism, this is bullshit nitpickery...

[@beezusHrist]

@Antisocial Freak It's... not really a "dark" movie though. Sophistry LOL... Sophistry after Sophistry after Sophistry... it truly is pathetic. "It felt like they weren't interested in using blah, blah, blah" OK dude.

[@darko1295]

I don't really disagree with Vaush on Marvel movies feeling bland, but he really sounded like he just finished watching a video by Patrick H. Willems/Every Frame a Painting/some other cinema-focused channel and also recently watched Bladerunner and it made him feel really up-his-own-ass about his taste in movies and actual understanding if cinematography (despite him saying numerous times he's an anime person and doesn't really watch a lot of movies anyways)

[@timekeeper2538]

I'd throw the entire legacy of superhero movies into the trash for one more blade runner.

[@darko1295]

@@timekeeper2538 I'm not defending superhero movies you dweeb

[@timekeeper2538]

@@darko1295 Are you sure? 'cause that opening post comes off like someone who's sick of hearing they're favorite movies suck.

[@darko1295]

@@timekeeper2538 I'm sick of hearing Vaush consistently have a slightly better than a basic redditor's taste in media, and demonstrate that by being a pretentious snob about it. I'm not sick of people trashing superhero movies cause i don't watch them in the first place :)

[@horace6851]

I remember Netflix Marvel shows looking good, especially the first Daredevil. Maybe that's why they were cancelled :) didn't fit.

[@SirThinks2Much]

Yeah, each show/character had a distinct associated color palette (red for daredevil, purple for Jessica Jones, green for iron fist and yellow for Luke cage)

[@Jane-oz7pp]

2:50 "to be fair" well, no. Professor Hulk is still the same size as the Green Beast.

[@malachiwitherwax]

But he’d be walking more like a person. The sizing is weird and I hadn’t noticed it, but it makes sense he wouldn’t be jumping around and shit (especially since he’s seriously injured in this scene)

[@davidbrobinson1995]

What I love was how this stemmed from Vaush trying to follow the Loki series.

[@krkngd-wn6xj]

With the Bladerunner rant, Wes Anderson would have been another good example. Grand Budapest Hotel has gorgeous shots that are made of like 5 different shades of pink.

[@torphedo6286]

I didn't even notice the all-female shot in Endgame, it was just like a random moment and then it moved on. Had no idea it even happened until I saw people bickering about it on the internet.

[@rossmorton7002]

I think the big problem with the Marvel movies is the sheer breakneck pace they're made at. The company animating the big climactic fight from the end of Black Panther, for instance, only had about 6 weeks to do the whole fight. I'm definitely interested in The Eternals, though. Chloe Zhao's films look gorgeous.

[@angusmarch1066]

Guardians of the Galaxy had great colour grading though.

[@maeschder]

He's saying they have to appease comic readers, but in reality almost no one reads comics (relatively). Marvel movies aren't made for comics fans, they're made for normies and your mom.

[@wariodedede]

I agree with Vaush on this a lot. And I love that he's geeking out over Bladerunner 2049 since I absolutely love everything about that film and the original.

[@stbd2773]

Comments seem incredibly mad for this obscenely based take 😭

[@spencerruston406]

Marvel stans will rightly mock DC films for looking like shit, but flip when someone dare criticise the largest movie franchise on the planet.

[@MarkSoupial]

They do the dragonball thing of fighting in a destroyed area no matter where they are because all those big actions scenes are rendered 100% like a year before the movie STARTS filming, and the story is the written around getting to that sequence.

[@andreymontag]

21:58 Hated the scene nareatively? This is literally the only good thing about new SW movies. Despite being extremely boring (I can verify. My dad literally fell asleep during all three of the new movies), this scene introduced a new concept to the universe. An idea of hyperspeed warfare is the only original thing about the new SW.

[@robynreanimates3503]

It contradicts a lot and the plan itself was stupid

[@spiderbits2923]

Take a shot every time Vaush says muddy. This is good criticism but I really wished you'd use the word "contrast" more instead of "muddy". Or explained the meaning of the word for the average viewer. (Maybe that got clipped out, my bad.) Muddy, colors that are similar in value/contrast. A muddy color palette will result in things looking "flat" or "muddy", aka not have enough contrast therefore everything blends together and is hard to tell apart. A limited color palette always runs the risk of falling into muddy since the colors are already similar, and therefore high contrast is even more important. In art, it's absolutely okay to break rules and go against what's considered "objectively good art" IF you understand why those rules exist and are meaningfully breaking them not just accidentally breaking them. And yes, art has no rules. If you hold really strongly to that option without exception then it's best to just avoid discussions about art criticism and visual language. Art theory helps us discover more ways to convey our ideas, not everyone needs or enjoys that but some of us do.

[@timothymcqueen3408]

For some reason your analysis of Avengers: Endgame made me draw the connection between that and the raid on Onigashima. Really put into perspective how much better One Piece is than Marvel.

[@movieblocks9164]

Yeah I disagree with some things that vaush said. Like yeah, he was right about endgame, but the Snyder cut was 4 hours so it was able to build up cyborg and Batman mainly, and they didn’t necessitate that everyone is a main character. The cinematography and color grading was awful tho. But BVS easily had the best cinematography that I’ve seen in a superhero film.

[@trumplostlol5281]

I kinda like Snyder films a lot, they ARE dumb and have some bad actors(just like Marvel) but visuals are really important imo, movies are visual art

[@supermutantsam1160]

The shot of Cap knocking Thanos on his ass being as dreary as it is is so bizarre to me. Like he’s literally using fucking Mjolnir to hot him, have some fucking lighting strike to brighten things up at least, Christ

[@supermutantsam1160]

And that shot of the ship being destroyed, too. Like, not even considering that you’re having Captain Marvel, who’s basically like if you put Goku and Superman into a blender in terms of the kind of colors and effects you can use, be the one to destroy the ship, *it’s a giant, alien warship*. We’ve seen this thing in multiple movies now as this massive, imposing presence warning of the coming danger, and yet when that shit gets fucking obliterated, it looks as inconsequential color-wise as any other scene of a truck or car getting blown up.

[@isaganipalanca8803]

Denis Villeneuve is a master of visual composition. Every shot a pictorial masterpiece. Can't wait for his version of Dune!

[@wisegoongala4305]

The comic fans are the last people being satiated by the mcu. It’s for the type that watch “lore” videos to get themselves prepared when they clap loudly in theaters who are getting their rocks off. Most comic fans have mixed feelings at best for it.

[@Revanaught]

This is why I don't care much for art critique. Maybe my eyes or broken or I just don't GET it. I don't know. The blade runner frames didn't look good to me (not saying they looked bad, they just didn't look amazing like everyone that sucks off the movie says), hell the first one vaush showed I'd actually say was pretty bad because the bright green light was drawing my eyes off the characters and to the left of the screen. It was distracting. And then the whole thing with they "they're not using complimentary colors, so bold and good!" Like...aside from the first scene using complimentary colors, the glass had a lot of blue and green is still fairly complementay to orange, not using complimentary colors isn't really a good thing...like it's become the standard for a reason because our primative monkey brains likes how it looks.

[@LemmingPriest]

I have way more qualms about Marvel's music than I do about its colors.

[@beezusHrist]

Exactly, Marvel characters need better theme songs. Black Panther's is the best.

[@tylerhackner9731]

I love Marvel but I have to admit this is true. I like venom and Guardians because the characters stick out

[@kaswaro11]

The highest grossing movie series of all time ought to look good.

[@hgbguy]

Prescriptive or descriptive?

[@kaswaro11]

@@hgbguy strictly prescriptive. It is unethical to hurt my eyes with shit movies if you have billions of dollars.

[@hgbguy]

@@kaswaro11 very tru, you win the million dollars cash prize for the right answer.

[@chickenelafsworld7105]

I never watch superhero movies like this because I can’t fucking see what’s happening. I jussi sit there like “yes, I can tell this is an epic battle by the epic metal clangs and grunts. I’m so glad I can’t see shit so the visuals won’t ruin the beautiful sound design”

[@neosverse]

I would agree but he basically good all his pic from endgame without the context of the massive explosion that just happen and all the smoke and debris

[@vampireinthekitchen]

The fact that marvel is one of the best loved franchises and their movies look like this... honestly disrespectful. It would be so banger to see the carefully designed characters without a desaturated, hard to read filter overtop of it all.

[@frostbite3318]

Marvel stans are reeeeeeeing so hard over a kids movie

[@ronaldmexico1297]

This is literally a clip of a guy reeeing about a movie, why is it only okay for vaush to be critical?

[@davitdavid7165]

They probably realised it would hurt everyone's eyes when you saw everyone's colors

[@andreadamon2197]

This hurt me to see chat unironically not see what makes the cinematography of Blade Runner 2049 better than that of MCU movies. I like MCU movies too (I typically come out of them satisfied thinking that they’re a 7 or 8/10), but the music, cinematography, and tonal issues are what keeps most of them from being anything higher than an 8/10 (the first Guardians of the Galaxy is an exception for me)

[@GynxShinx]

The Hawkeye vs Black Widow fight is probably my favorite fight in Marvel.

[@raoulduke2924]

AS AN ARTIST, Vaush is right. Marvel movies look bland for the most part

[@emilchan5379]

I just can't help but think of the "reality is brown" trope when looking at all of these screenshots. Especially the shot at 38:20. Why does the park look like it has just been through a sandstorm? At least Mad Max and Blade Runner had the excuse of taking place in an apocalyptic future.

[@evilperson160]

Yet both blade runner and mad max manage to have better contrast and visual hierarchy in their shot compositions than end game.

[@johngr1747]

As a libertaran, I support Vaush' right to talk about fiction on stream!

[@TheShicksinator]

I'm pretty sure it's because those shots were meant for HDR displays, on which the color does pop, but it shows poorly on non HDR displays.

[@LimeyLassen]

there's no way that's actually true lol

[@TheShicksinator]

@@LimeyLassen I mean it's happened before, the battle of Winterfell in GoT being a prime example. Nobody could fucking see it on their TVs because the shots were optimized for HDR.

[@LimeyLassen]

​@@TheShicksinator What could HDR do the footage, exactly? The file would have to be uncompressed for pretty much any information to be retreived from really dark footage. Even extremely high file sizes will still lose fidelity when the scene is dark as shit.

[@brysonberan2505]

Marvel comics was so much more bright

[@brysonberan2505]

@Garry Snail every one, the movies seem way to dark compared to the comics

[@Joseph-sg3jz]

Because they were written by acid tripping hippies

[@uniball5667]

7:55 Sgt.York triumphantly posing after capturing a German trench - Western Front, 1918 "colorized"

[@noagolden]

wondering vaush's opinions on the guardians of the galaxy movies. They're still made by commitee I reckon, but those seem to have made a lot more bold visual choices that I really liked, especially the second one.

[@Misora7303]

The only color palletes I apreciate from Marvel are some few scenes from infinity war, Thor Ragnarok and the great movie Queen ...Guardians of the Galaxy vol2

[@ToxicTerrance]

Because getting lighting on GCI characters (Hulk) and real life actors in the same shot is damn near impossible. It's easier to make the lighting washed so the shading and shadow effects look more consistent. Take the lighting used in Avengers (2012) and how the Hulk looked in the battle of New York, the shadows are basically non-existent and even age of Ultron had this issue. Infinity war and Endgame has way better lighting IMO. Not perfect, but an improvement by the studio for sure. Unless you want these movies to take 10 years at a time, I don't think it's gonna get much better than that.. lol

[@soccerruben1]

I feel like this video shows the need for better artists in the post-production part of these future MCU projects, and I’m confident Kevin Feige will hear some criticism and work to be better.

[@sacredbeastzenon]

The MCU is not going to get better. Recent showings have all been trash! It's just going to get worse from here.

[@zenscope8090]

Criticism only matters when you need to improve, these movies make millions of dollars...the colors don't matter lol, people will still eat up these shitty movies

[@sacredbeastzenon]

@@zenscope8090 Sure, but there's a limit to how much the MCU can be milked. It's only a matter of time. If I'm not mistaken, Black Widow had a steep decline at the box office.

[@dffgffffffdddddddddd]

@@sacredbeastzenonBlack Widow isn't very popular character, and I doubt it was because of the art direction lol once they make more movies with popular heroes it'll be fine.

[@al3xa723]

This guy ever heard of RAGNAROK??? Not every marvel movie is gray as hell.

[@ronaldmexico1297]

Its basically just the russo movies and they aren’t even that grey lol. This is such a dumb take