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[@Benjamin_Gilbert-Lif]

Still recovering from the concussion I got by slamming my head on the table listening to this debate

[@luna.starpool5034]

Thots and prayers for your recovery

[@yaelomannetje]

I’ve always been in agreement that most debates are shit and worthless, but this one was so infuriating that I will never ask for a debate again

[@jackpurvis]

​@@yaelomannetje I found it enlightening, I didn't know how bad Dave's takes were. I only ever saw him from a clip when he was on Piers Morgan or CNN or whatever. Now I know his pro-ceasefire takes are at least partially "America is bad, so Israel is too." This is helpful, I can expect that when a ceasefire is achieved, any peace-oriented engagement by the US will, by Dave, seen as wrong because "America always bad."

[@yaelomannetje]

@@jackpurvis I guess I have heard his points made and debunked since almost day one of the war, but yeah still helpful

[@newguy7209]

​@@jackpurvis When he was on Joe Rogan's podcast in 2020, Dave criticized news agencies for refusing to air Trump's lie about the election becasue they were "acting like the lie can poison you or something." That's the level of selective stupidity you're looking at.

[@802Garage]

The debate was nowhere near as bad as the weapons grade cancer comment section. 90% of them didn't even watch the debate or try to absorb anything. They just immediately tried to attack and dismiss Vaush. Pure logical fallacy and parroting horrific propaganda talking points.

[@j-rey-]

The comments section was PAINFUL. I can't take anyone seriously who thinks Dave Smith has anything reasonable to say. The dude who said that people calling him a fascist just made him want to be more of a fascist. I always say that you can tell the political bias of a channel by seeing what the comments section looks like, and Breaking Points is full of right wingers, despite how "centrist" the channel pretends to be.

[@validatedclassified2564]

Vaush was obviously more reserved in that debate than he usually is and therefor Dave Smith controlled the debate for the most part.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

Alot of the Rising commenters hate Krystal also because she presents believes they disagree with sometimes and she is one of the hosts. It used to be more even when they were on rising because they were a corporate news source youtube recommended them to everyone interested in politics so it was closer to 50/50 right vs left and the right wingers were generally more reasonable but once they went independent that changed. Even if their content didn't that much. Look at the comments when Krystal disagrees with RFK JR for example they act as if he is the second coming of Christ.

[@darkmetal2412]

Ikr none of them even tried to argue his points because they know they can't

[@blarghblargh]

I'm seeing people larp as Nazis because they don't like "left wings calling everyone fascists" on freaking software videos. It isn't just debate videos. The election cycle is bringing out the recruitment canvassers.

[@CervantesVI]

12:22 - "Platforming" is one of those words that should've never been given to the wider Internet, given how badly everyone tends to misuse it.

[@ironclad6471]

Still not as bad as "gaslighting" which now basically means "any disagreement over something that happened"

[@prohikikomo]

​@@ironclad6471yep. gaslighting, platforming, theres a few similar words im thinking of. should've been reserved for people with much higher intelligence instead of being used willy nilly by everyone

[@hydrogen3266]

I’m real sick of the term “cancel culture.” My conservative family complains about people “getting cancelled” for having shitty opinions as if it’s some sort of liberal conspiracy. Meanwhile conservative pundits have millions of followers and make a ton of money

[@supergamer5121]

All these “what if Russia did a coup in Mexico” morons act like Zelenskyy was the president was installed by the “coup.” Zelenskyy was elected years later and as Dylan Burns stated, he was a pro peace candidate and wanted to make peace in the region. The president at the time Poroshekno said that Zelenskyy’s victory would benefit Russia. Zelenskyy tried to negotiate ceasefires with the separatists and even tried to convince some Ukrainian militias to surrender illegal weapons and accept peace accords. So to make their comparisons more accurate, America would have to have invaded Mexico only after they elected a new leader who tried to make peace with them and stop the far right militias, and was overall much more neutral towards America. But expecting honesty from these people is impossible.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

But what about Merica? /s

[@JahNgomba-ir2zi]

But this all started with a coup in 2014. some people call “revolution “ but it’s still the same thing. They had an insurrection in Kiev because Janukovyč ( democratically elected president of Ukraine) decided to get closer to Russia. This insurrection was just in the capital and not in the other cities. That’s many cities in Ukrainian rebelled (Odessa , Kharkov etc…) but didn’t last long, only the cities of the Donbass had relative success thanks to the help of Russia and Crimea that got annexed

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

​@@JahNgomba-ir2zi This piece of (now practically "traditional") Russian propaganda is well dissected in "A Short History of the War in Donbas 2014 2022" by Sarcasmitron. Highly recommended viewing. As well as the rest of the videos on that channel, but that's at your leisure, we've misinformation to correct here.

[@robbuelens]

@@JahNgomba-ir2zi It's not really a coup if it ends with fair elections, then it's called a revolution. The only thing that really skewed the elections to a pro Western government was the fact that Russia was annexing all the pro Russian regions in the country.

[@feurigessiegelstuck233]

@@JahNgomba-ir2zi "some people call revolution"? Quite a way to downplay a pretty much unanimously agreed-on term for what happened, well except russia-apologists obviously. Would you like to enlighten us how the maidan revolution fits the definition of a coup d'etat? Maybe along your definition of a coup?

[@GeorgeNoiseless]

But Vaush do you remember how often Europe violates Russian airspace with its fighter jets, its nuclear armed jets? Wait no, the other way around.

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

They constantly do the same in Europe. They also hack public websites and sail into sovereign waters in spy ships. There's so much agitation daily that I'm not bothering myself to write about..

[@ericmacrae6871]

But vaush do you remember how the west is imperalist and NATO is not a defense alliance and it should be disbanded?

[@czlo7296]

Vaush is the commentator in US who thinks clearly about Ukraine. I can't describe how disgusted and disappointed I am in people like Krystal, Kyle, Chris Hedges etc I am

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Kyle's unfortunately caught second-hand brainrot from being in close proximity of too many tankies... tragic honestly

[@HarryDirtay]

​@@TheAmericanAmericankyle was still pretending Russia wasn't interfering with elections and didn't ha e agents worki g with the Trump campaign deapite the facts revealed in the Muller report. The only way to maintain that pov is to refuse to read the facts. Kyle is not really knowledgeable on a lot of these facts. He was and is a lazy petson who thinks he already knows better than everyone else.

[@802Garage]

​@@TheAmericanAmericanYeah his actual personal commentary hasn't been nearly as horrific as Breaking Points, but he is nowhere near where he should be principally or rhetorically.

[@soymilkman]

@@TheAmericanAmericannah he’s stuck in the third party whirlpool. He’s been like that for awhile

[@andrewfranquelin3184]

Don't forget Dylan Burns

[@IDoThings490]

I'll always be amazed to see people somehow justifying one of the clearest examples of a fascist landgrab since World War II, and possibly worse are the Neville Chamberlain types in congress who think that letting Russia have what have will stop them from taking more

[@C0urne]

People like Saagar and Dave Smith don't care about landgrabs or anything that happens outside of the USA. Most likely they don't care about anything that doesn't affect their bank account or friends and family.

[@TC-jo2vj]

Europe would benefit more from Russian leadership in the region than their occupied vassal state status under the GAE

[@richardarriaga6271]

Chamberlain was an idiot and coward but not ideologically Nazi. The GOP on the other hand...

[@paulblichmann2791]

How has leaving USSR gone for the FSU? Has it been beneficial?

[@pancakes8670]

​@@paulblichmann2791Every day free from a Fascist state is beneficial 💪

[@jiiaga5017]

Its immensely frustrating for me to have Ryan Grim toeing the BP line on Russia, especially in regards to the beach strikes incident - He's the only actually legitimate reporter associated with the show, and normally has at least a basically reasoned take on news and events. BP has straight up lied about Ukraine though, claiming they were directed strikes when video and even the Russians themselves indicate it was an ordinance shootdown. And their claims that the Ukrainian general was indicating civilians are targets is frankly insane. Crimea is a war zone, and beachgoers there have as much expectation of safety as beachgoers in Normandy would have had in WW2.

[@richardarriaga6271]

Worse. Beachgoers could hide in a pillbox. Russian citizens didn't get air raid warnings or shelters.

[@counselorguy5481]

American leftist for Russia and Putin 🇺🇸 🤝 🇷🇺. 2

[@Chickenfodder09]

14:46 I am constantly shocked how much these people end up putting forward arguments that support American intervention against Cuba during the cold war. A thing that they, and everyone else, should 110% oppose. It really is pathetic coming from people who are supposedly historically literate.

[@C0urne]

Someone should have made some follow-ups for Chomsky as he made the Mexico comparison many times. I wonder if he would have made a moral claim for spheres of influence or would he treat them as a fact of how nuclear powers act.

[@richardarriaga6271]

I don't have an ideological opposition to taking down authoritarian regimes. They understand democracies are a threat and treat them accordingly, but those of us who vote do not. Supporting Solidarity was a Cold War act in the Soviet Sphere against the Polish puppet state.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

The ending point is 110% spot on! IF NATO was a threat to Russia, then why ISN'T NATO in Moscow right now???

[@MrStasyan2013]

Nukes

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

@@MrStasyan2013 nah. I'd bet my left nut that if the Hobbit Czar pushed his big red button that half of them would blow right there in their silos and the other half would just sit there and sizzle out lol

[@josephmama1072]

@@MrStasyan2013 Russia had nukes before invading Ukraine

[@themadmanescaped1]

​@@MrStasyan2013 they had nukes since they were invented.

[@sawtooth808]

@@themadmanescaped1 Well, Russia has nukes, the fair question should be are the nukes working (one of Russia’s missile silos was flooded)

[@krillin6]

Breaking Points is a libertarian hell hole.

[@i-love-comountains3850]

Everybody wants to be Libertarian until their house catches fire, or they need a hospital emergency room...

[@sawtooth808]

@@i-love-comountains3850 👆👆This 👆👆

[@staff4226]

​@@i-love-comountains3850B-but I can just get private insurance!! And p-private hospitals will tend to me because they want more clients!!

[@arcturionblade1077]

​@@i-love-comountains3850Something something bootstraps.

[@DarkestKnightshade]

If you actually think this you are just completely uninformed. I have a litany of disagreements with them but they are not libertarian lmao, krystal doesn't like them and sagaar has repeatedly expressed how he hates them even though he's right wing. Foreign policy is probably the only place where breaking points has libertarian overlap

[@rikstan15]

I can tell that the guy in that video doesn't actually know post independence Ukrainian history. The start of the conflict wasn't even about NATO, that's just an excuse that the Kremlin likes to throw out. The majority of Ukrainians were against Ukraine joining NATO by at least 2/3s. The conflict started over the association agreement with the EU.

[@TobiasC-mg4zk]

I thought it was Putin wanted to rid Ukraine of Satanist Gay Nazi Jews.

[@Propagandamouth]

The association agreement was not what the conflict started over, lol. The association agreement, which btw if you've read it you know, that it would've destroyed the youcrane's shitty economy, was merely a pretext. Clearly, you're the one that knows jack shit about the youcrane, other than a few CNN headlines and Ben Hodges' takes.

[@shadowLurker4v]

This guy for real thinks you get the 2 free units from one of the first honour tree perks fr fr Just magically inventing a billion hostile Mexican troops out of thin air

[@noiseisgold3n42]

It BLOWS my mind that the game has been out for literally 3879 years and people still can't figure out the tree perks.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

Which game?

[@jagged5078]

@@zacheryeckard3051 Civ 5, with the Tankie Delusions mod.

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@jagged5078 Tankie Delusions sounds wild.

[@montymontague8526]

Dylan Burns covered the debate and I think he was right that Vaush would have performed much better if he was more knowledgeable than relaying on rhetoric.

[@arskakarva7474]

By far the greatest weakness Vaush has when it comes to covering Russia's invasion and other Russia related topics is that he has all too readily absorbed the Russian Dolchstoss mythology of the 90's, when it is actually total bollocks.

[@feurigessiegelstuck233]

yeah, he ceded too much ground for my taste than he wouldnt have needed to if we had more knowledge on ukraine. Which, well, isnt his fault since I think Breaking Points brought him intentionally on the show instead of more knowledgeable people about the conflict like DylanBurns or Lonerbox to present to their anit-ukraine biased viewership a weaker argument for ukraine.

[@montymontague8526]

@@arskakarva7474 idk where you get that

[@montymontague8526]

@@feurigessiegelstuck233 Maybe he's right that as believers in conspiracy, going down the rabbit hole does nothing and it's better to show flaws in logic. But I felt even on, "what are current solutions" he was passive.

[@quintonlim4275]

So by this Tiktok guy logic basically leads to the US is justified to invade Cuba, The Bay of Pigs was justified etc

[@Keldrath]

He's not saying any of it is justified or good, he's demonstrating that it's not irrational. Things can be both bad and rational. Vaush just bit the bullet on it instead and demonstrated he doesn't understand what the word means.

[@joetheagent]

Thank you for mentioning that Ukraine is not a nuclear power right now because they were promised sovereignty specifically from Russia. Yes, we should have let them keep the nukes. Russia proved why they should not have been trusted.

[@richardarriaga6271]

Yes and no. Ukraine had pretty corrupt leadership back then and the US threatened to sanction them. Plus, the Russians weren't happy either.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

The west proved why Ukraine shouldn't have trusted the west.

[@chillypepperjr]

Voosh I recommend watching Dylan Burns' take on your debate performance I think he brings up a lot of good points as to how you could've performed better, not saying you did poorly but improving is always the goal!

[@MeekandMe]

Vaush I want to debate you, but I’m exceedingly stupid so can we debate on like who’s the coolest superhero or something?

[@ArDeeMee]

I‘d be down for that.

[@richardarriaga6271]

You'd probably win since Vaush has some cringe pop culture takes.

[@pancakes8670]

​​​@@richardarriaga6271His only superhero takes I've ever seen was "Deadpool is a cringe Reddit superhero" and "Modern MCU is bad", which I 100% agree with

[@BudewFan_]

@@pancakes8670Modern MCU is bad but Deadpool is based how dare you

[@luna.starpool5034]

Thank you, Ben, for bringing this to light

[@jurgnobs1308]

first time anyone ever thanked ben

[@Benjamin_Gilbert-Lif]

I have my moments

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@Benjamin_Gilbert-Lif you have your moment, singular. this was the first and so far only one

[@prageruwu69]

bruh i initially thought u meant ben shapiro 💀

[@luna.starpool5034]

​@@prageruwu69 I have been taken over by RFKs brain worms if I ever do that.

[@SukiggyBoo]

It was not heated, you didn't do the best.

[@YeOldePixelShoppe]

The one missed opportunity is to point out the obligation to defend Ukraine because the USA and Russia agree to that when Ukraine gave up their nukes.

[@JahNgomba-ir2zi]

@@YeOldePixelShoppe “ they’re nukes “ you mean Soviet Nukes ? Because Ukraine didn’t have the the codes to launch them

[@YeOldePixelShoppe]

@@JahNgomba-ir2zi doesn't change the terms of the agreement :-)

[@JahNgomba-ir2zi]

@@YeOldePixelShoppe yeah I don’t argued against that. But you can’t trust America because in just 16 years they can change 4 different administration and all of them can have different policies and will stay committed to previous agreements

[@thcrimsnfckr666]

​@@JahNgomba-ir2zithey were Ukrainian nukes at that point because that's how independence works

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

​@@JahNgomba-ir2zi the Soviet union was not Russia. It's amazing how stupid you people are

[@LTJZamboni]

LazerPig’s video How To Kill A God decimates every campist argument w/ regards to Ukraine

[@dynamicworlds1]

Beau's had some great videos too.

[@castillogrande8926]

Except for him basically saying the CIA were just smol beans who couldn't do any real bad things, but simultaneously the KGB and now the FSB are ultra competent and are responsible for all the termoil in the region! Because he's a liberal and inevitably ends up glazing the west instead of having a morally consistent stance against anti-imperialism, his arguments fall a bit flat

[@richardarriaga6271]

Sarcasmitron also

[@liampye256]

@@castillogrande8926 he acknowledged in the video that the cia has done horrible and influential things, his point in the video is that they arent involved in ukraine like putin believes they are...

[@lukegeraci1743]

Also to ask im irish not in NSTO but russia does nuclear drills near the irish coast honestly ask these MFs what right does russia have to do this

[@mogscugg2639]

Whatever defense they give would most likely downplay the potato famine on the grounds that "they could have just bought food" since they deny russia doing the same to ukraine

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

I just happened to get a tip to read into Ireland. Basically Ireland and the sea around it is pretty important to control the Atlantic, so Moscow backed the IRA to get some influence. The UK and Ireland made a secret deal where Ireland would remain neutral, but if nukes were used in the UK then Ireland would side with the UK and allow British forces to be deployed there so that they could be dispersed and reduce the chance of getting all wiped out by strikes. And Irish troops could serve along Britain's. Meanwhile the CIA backed the PIRA and sent support through Whitey Bulger to minimize Moscow's influence on the pro-reunification militants. It's crazy how the Cold War chess game was being played.

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

They will bring about US military drills with South Korea or something and fail to address the question I would guess.

[@seafighter4]

What Dylan Burns really wanted you to point to was the Budapest Memorandum, making the argument that if we sign an agreement with other nations for them to give up their nukes in return for a defense treaty, and then not honoring that treaty, we make it clear to others that giving up their nukes is a really bad idea.

[@peergynt6515]

The war is in Europe so I get why many Americans are not that onboard with the idea of getting involved, but as a European I really appreciate Vaush take. I used to watch Kyle, but stopped watching after the Jimmy Dore thing, Jimmy fans in Kyles audience gave me the wrong vibe. Vaush fans got the Anime vibe, I used to play Metal Gear Solid so I'm right at home.

[@Yal_Rathol]

"if a neighboring country was allied with an enemy, wouldn't that mean we should invade?" oh boy, nobody tell this guy about us canadians and our double-dealing........

[@cheeto.burrito]

man... I would never want to fuck with Canada if I was him. y'all invent _new_ war crimes up there also I guess because he'd be happy to invade Mexico but shhh

[@EinSophistry]

If it is incumbent upon the bullied party to submit to the bully in the greater interest of peace, as many argue in the case of Ukraine, and if Russia is really the bullied party vis-a-vis NATO, as they also like to claim, then why wasn't it incumbent upon Russia to simply submit to NATO in the greater interest of peace?

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

😂 love it.

[@TC-jo2vj]

Acting like Putin didn’t try that 2 decades ago and was rebuked 🤨

[@darkmantlestudios]

​@@TC-jo2vj See, it doesn't work

[@adamgates1142]

Russian tried to join NATO

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

@@adamgates1142 a Russia that wanted to have its cake and eat it...

Btw Russia has nuclear weapons in Kaliningrad, exclave in the the Europe, while USA was freaking out about nukes in Cuba. Nobody in the Eastern Europe have a missile which is able to carry a nuke. Only France and UK does have this capability and as far as I know, they did not drifted closer to Russia.

[@felisleo101]

I stopped listening to Breaking Points after they went totally anti-Ukrainian.

[@endplanets]

A better example of a 'hostile alliance' would be the USA vs Russia allying with Cuba. Or the USA vs Mexico allying with Germany in WW1 where Germany said it would help invade the USA.

[@nunchuksteev9811]

Dave ate Vaush up which I hated to see, but that is what happened.

[@hk0444]

is Benjamin his boyfriend ?

[@creepmon1786]

I feel like Vaush could have done much better if he was a little bit more informed about recent developments in Ukraine. I recommend dylan burns reaction to the debate where he was able to point out many lies by Dave Smith that Vaush didn't notice like about the Crimea strike or how Dave straight up lied about russias proposed peace plans at the end. Or the fact that Dave Smith believed that Ukraine couldn't make any military progress despite them slowly pushing russian soldiers out of Kharkiv RIGHT NOW.

[@hotsquirrel4277]

careful who you call creepy sir no one has forgotten what was in them folders

[@Pats0c]

I like how he brought up the diplomatic solution thing as if he'd be okay with the US annexing Chihuahua and Baja California or some shit after invading Mexico.

[@bloodghoul]

This guy looks like an evil version of long haired Vaush

[@stephb7702]

You lost that debate, Dave made 100% more sense than you… no one from the actual video thought you had any valid points, 99% of comments were for Dave… you’re a great debater, but your ideas make zero sense

[@chrisbean9663]

Please bring laser pig onto your show about Ukraine

[@millennialmongoose3392]

A hostile military alliance is like when soviets and the funny mustache man people divided poland

[@rusky9110]

I'd really like it if Vaush would do a call with Dylan Burns to go over it a bit and get some more insight and pointers for the next time a Ukraine debate pops up.

[@martinsriber7760]

Too bad you were unaware about the beach incident. The way the host described it was very inaccurate.

[@JmanGeezy]

Vaush should do more high profile debates like this

[@vidyagaems4063]

Vaush should do more debates period. Even with grifters.

[@orangeslime1878]

He's scared to now

[@MoonshineH]

7:17 I thought Vaush was talking about unforgiveable 🤣

[@alexanderboulton2123]

Bro describing the Cold War 😂

[@jloiben12]

An imposed peace deal where Ukraine joins NATO would be upheld for more than 3 months

[@meinhart_esror]

A requirement for joining NATO is having no territorial conflicts. So is this imposed deal Russia withdraws and thats that? Why would Russia accept that?

[@C0urne]

@@meinhart_esror Essentially the only requirement for Nato membership is the approval from every member country. Not much of a difference, I just don't like this language of rules set in stone.

[@meinhart_esror]

@@C0urne It has been officially acknowledged that that was always (totally) a requirement even if not especially written down. So it is less a written down requirement, but more of a tradition with which NATO will hardly break given how reluctant their Ukraine support is.

[@nubgaming5342]

@@meinhart_esrorthey won’t, but any peace that doesn’t see Ukraine join NATO won’t last. Why would Ukraine accept another war?

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Stoltenberg denied That claim.

[@arskakarva7474]

Vaush please go visit the Lazerpig Cinematic Universe as a guest to prep for Russia debates. Your heart's in the right place, but you have several critical gaps in your knowledge, most crucially you have bought Russian Dolchstoss mythology about what happened in the 90's hook, line and sinker. Or you could invite Sarcasmitron as a guest that'd be sweet too (he's probably got the best video series on what happened in Russia during the 90's on KZbin)

[@EyebelieveTheNarrative]

I’ve fired up the spin machine!

[@FruitFlyKilla]

Just got done watching the debate, I've listened to Dave Smith before and I find him completely insufferable, he's forever condescending and has that air of guy who thinks he's got it all figured out. He's a third rate stand up comedian who for whatever reason spends most of his time fronting as a foremost expert on geopolitics.

[@drewmarteny1495]

Generic comment for the algo

[@IvanDaGrVIII]

Vaush got a call from AIPAC to take care of Rathbone

[@isaacmili5222]

btw for the residential schools in canada at least, the last one closed in the 80s or 90s (can't remember exactly) that shit was not anywhere near 150'years ago

[@El_No_Sabe]

I generally agree with Vaush on this but negotiating some kind of peace deal is a moral necessity at this point

[@RocketTheMinifig]

Vaush debate we back baby

[@nidodson]

Breaking Points hasn't had a video in over 24 hours after Saagar made an embarrassment of the channel for a couple days. For the last couple months, every time they have more than one guest on at a time, at least one has no credibility; is a radical right winger; isn't informed on the topic they are on to talk about; and only talk political talking points, instead of anything based in reality.

[@adamgates1142]

Are we gonna pretend Vaush has credibility?

[@Nealetony]

I am a breaking points member that support funding ukraine 😭

[@vill390]

Its so stressful and emotionally draining to listen to all those pro-russian takes and watch current american politics as a ukrainian its insane

[@nubgaming5342]

Yeah, unfortunately like everything else it has to be politically divisive

[@counselorguy5481]

I'm pro Russia and I'm an American citizen. I despise NATO and the Ukro-fascist.

[@jeffreysmith5230]

Like you just said YOUR CIRCLE maybe you should think about that.

[@titactaco]

This 'rathbone' made a bunch of great israel palestine videos and then I saw his putin videos and was really disappointed. Learning he formed a band with a 13 year old female student is hella creepy.

[@jasonslade6259]

Accidentally stumbling into some good points because he's anti-USA as a first principle. He doesn't have any real morals.

[@phylo4113]

Big time! I was super caught off guard with this realization

[@mallardofmodernia8092]

Yh the whiplash in standards is insane. His Israel stuff is top tier analysis with historical research but his Russia takes are full of vibes and America bad.

[@josiahsmith7458]

hes a campist through and through and for the 2nd part hes a libertarian lol

[@LLachs283]

I could not make it past the first statements. Its nothing new by now and im tired to little guys who piss their pants everytime ptn mentiones nukes, so they give him all he wants

[@JohnConnorsDad]

American Tankies when Russian soldiers arrive, a two (?) part play - Simp: "EHRMERGERD BASED COMRADE! ILL DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!" Russian Soldier: "FACE ZE WALL" Simp: "OK.... It's probably because you don't want me to see what you're going to do to those nasty capitalist pigs huh!?" Soldier: "Uhhh.... Ya...." *Cocks rifle*

[@bafelix89]

Reminder that big bad Russia is currently over day 860 in a 3 day excursion

[@duderdude4831]

There is no end to the war without a hard Article 5 like security guarantee. Russia would just start their third invasion after building up their arms. WE ALREADY SAW THIS 2014 TO 2022

[@aneiger8706]

I see Vaush discovered "dollar store Zack Galifianakis"!

[@lylewalker5681]

Dave Smith is truly abhorrent. I really don’t think he should be platformed at all like this, imo.

[@dte8329]

@theVaushPit this is Major copium.

[@eliduncan4630]

That reminds me you should debate me. I don't know on what because I agree with you like 80%+ of the time but I could use some clout

[@dawndarklight44]

Imagine having a Cult leader Fronology.

[@Ashleyapples]

if you watch Jake Broe, you may have argue that the money we give is weapon that are old, and would cost money to decommission to retired, so. we save some money, they gain weapons, we build new ones and that creates jobs for us and stimulate economy

[@Veela666]

I doubt he's seriously telling people to quit their jobs, but he's right about capitalism.

[@TBLIVIN]

Vaush did well for not knowing which "points" show he was debating on

[@DaxBruce-kv4vf]

All the comments were about VAUSH. I can’t even remember the other guys name, it wasn’t in the comments. Remember there’s no suck thing as bad publicity. No one “hates” someone who isn’t famous.

[@jeremyross2195]

Does this guy not understood analogies? 😂

[@Overonator]

I saw the debate and it wasn't heated and Vaush didn't do as well as I expected. To be fair that entire platform and everyone who was on it is hostile to Vaush's views least hostile was that lady with the glasses.

[@MedievalWerewolf]

Disappointing to find out Rathbone is a tankie.

[@Radicalpea6971]

How did bro watch it that fast

[@nimrodery]

@@Radicalpea6971 Maybe they watched the Rathbone video?

[@MedievalWerewolf]

​@@Radicalpea6971 Saw his picture, read the title, and remembered watching a video where he went "nAtO eXpAnSiOn". Only watched a few of his vids before then.

[@Radicalpea6971]

@@MedievalWerewolf oh makes sense yeah he gives off thought slime vibes

[@jurgnobs1308]

huh? how is that disappointing? that's like his whole thing. it's the only thing he has ever been known for

[@sigg3504]

I watched the debate and Dave owned you.

[@somethingelse4424]

2:30 The Minx Accords

[@ashleydavis3318]

for me its a toss up between the minx accords and vicky france for my favorite vaush mispronunciation

[@somethingelse4424]

@@ashleydavis3318 Vicky France sounds like an adult entertainer from the 90s.

[@BartvG88]

Ah yes, the minx accords and the J-J-J-Jwow amendment, where they promised to look at big titties and learn a new japanese word every week

[@SW-pv8zi]

Why using hypotheticals... What about the Cuba crisis?

[@nubgaming5342]

Cuba doesn’t have a land border with the USA

[@SW-pv8zi]

@nubgaming5342 So what? It separated from US influence, was attacked by US backed seperatists, it forged alliances with opposing forces, got basically under siege for decades and almost triggered nuclear war by harbouring nukes from allies. Aren't the parallels obvious?

[@nubgaming5342]

@@SW-pv8zi not saying there aren’t parallels. But there is a difference of such a state having an ocean between us and them and just having a fence.

[@omegaroleplayer1022]

cuba is still under siege anyhow, two things can be bad at the same time "what about cuba" is practically on the same tier as "what if mexico wanted economic ties with china" though

[@SW-pv8zi]

@omegaroleplayer1022 Yes, both things are bad. And I don't think the "NATO expansion" is the reason for Russias aggression. But let's say hypothetically it is true, the logic is not without reason and has historical precedence e.g. in USA vs. Cuba. That's not meant to be an excuse for Russia or a whataboutism, in the sence of it's okay if russia does it because the US did it, too. It's both bad. I just don't like double standards and hypocrisy.

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Rathbone's Palestine content is based af.

[@justwannabehappy6735]

Cope

[@darrene.vonbraun4421]

Huh? Cope with what? His Palestine content is really spot on. How is that coping?

[@justwannabehappy6735]

@@darrene.vonbraun4421 cope

[@Keldrath]

Yeah and he's really well read on it.

[@twobitdork952]

Vtuber vaush when?

[@markd.s.8625]

youre extremely boring

[@Kid-uu5ll]

Slava Ukraini! Vaush is such a relief to have on the left. The real leftist position should be to be pro-palestine + pro-Ukraine and Pro-LGBTQI+ Rights. Its that simple. The fact that a lot of ''leftist'' dont, makes me feel sad, angry and sometimes hopeless.

[@mochithepooh5368]

Dude why most pro-palestinian commentators, influencers, etc is also pro-russia....

[@WizDomSon]

More productive debate of video would be Piers Jeffrey Sachs

[@BillTheChill654]

Got an add to donate to Joe Biden's campaign. I'm thinking we should stop making donations unless they replace him. That seems like the only avenue left where We The People can send a message to these smug aristocrats.

[@matzmilan7780]

Shut up Vaush, Russia for the win. Greetings from México and GenZdong 😎👍🇵🇸

[@siohunndai]

7:32 I can’t even be mad at the black guy because he’s just so funny

[@SpiderMan-wi9rc]

I mean at least people like the “There is so such thing as a coincidence”

[@WizDomSon]

Rathbone out of context...funny Vaush. He's anti capitalist, and very satirical.

[@Keldrath]

I wouldn't call it out of context he just spent the whole time attacking a point that wasn't being made then when the point finally got made he bit the bullet and demonstrated he doesn't know what irrational means.

[@GoogleAccount-pp9ep]

You must have done well because they put it out on a Saturday.

[@commonscience4025]

Ended his whole career

[@rincontibio7664]

Tbh, we know how the US will react to the hypothetical scenario, and most people would be against it, sooo I don't see how someone with just a drop of honesty would support the Russia, is just bad logic

[@tylerhackner9731]

This was insane

[@evenodd3339]

6:45 this dude has nine-up energy

[@Radicalpea6971]

1 minute holy

[@smallduck1001001]

+21:46 🔥💯

[@raijin4722]

21:50

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