Harassment

Vaush goes over some INTERESTING comments made in Luna Oi's discord server. Along with addressing a on going community problem.
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[@MerrickDeville]

Thank you for highlighting this person - he’s been allowed to be insane to me for a year and it’s nice to get support. I’m really sorry THIS is the reason why you had to talk about it though.

[@slackershrub8923]

Oh hi merrick

[@kmt4372]

@Merrick Deville Big fan of yours merrick. I'm sorry you had to go though that kind of bullshit harassment. Wish you all the best

[@ShimonYaqulu]

❤️ you’re awesome, Merrick. Fuck those creeps

[@red_hobbit3323]

Nothing but love & respect for Merrick - so sorry you had to go through that shit!

[@gilly_axolotl]

Merrick based and awesome-pilled

[@Xanderhal]

Clarification: ThoughtSlime didn't accuse me of being IN a sex cult, they accused me of HAVING one. If you're curious about that, I made a video telling the whole story with screenshots, its really funny.

[@Etta_James]

Sounds pretty wacky, I'll check it out.

[@CPSPD]

when will u make an apology video for using the slurs "****", "*******", and "***", but most importantly "*************************"

[@Romanticoutlaw]

lmfao holy shit. That's incredible. Imagine thinking any breadtuber has the charisma and resources to head a sex cult (no offense)

[@revenge3265]

@@Romanticoutlaw No offense? Bruh, that's a violation. Chose violence for absolutely no reason 💀

[@Hedgemonkey5]

Jeez, like some people just love to threaten a good time, eh?

[@alexandredesouza3692]

Not scared to say it. Vaush deserves to be cancelled for harbouring and repeatedly platforming a known fascist by the name of Artemy.

[@user-zi4wx3uw1y]

You had me in the first half ngl

[@ohwow9870]

I know. Surprised he's been able to get away with this for so long.

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

TRUE

[@narikobeilschmidt]

artemy can't keep getting away with it!!!

[@CPSPD]

artyomush kokinsky the russian nazbol, on the interpol most wanted list for multiple hate crimes and terror plots across the vologda oblast.

[@whatsagoodusername823]

Vaush: "I'm a queer, neurodivergent leftist" The entire online left: "I quickly became homophobic"

[@shis1988]

This was a while ago, but I caught you didn't add ableism there. It's a great touch, even if unintended, because there is a ton of ableism everywhere in the political spectrum.

[@kazuichisouda2026]

@@shis1988 That's just a quote from a video about a dude who was homophobic back in grade school (actually a really cool video, he talks about how in college he took theater and had to mentally realign himself after realizing his professor and some of his classmates were gay themselves, pretty sure it's from storybooth. also the guy made a video about it on his own channel a couple weeks later talking about making the storybooth video)

[@tomcross3000]

@@shis1988 and it needs to be highlighted and called out. The disabled are an underserved, underprivileged, ignored, discriminated underclass of people who need as much recognition as any other minority group. In 20 years time someone would look back on vaush clips that are out there and see his language with r slurs and insults about asd or people with dwarfism and all the rest, as being like how we view old political speeches describing people as n-slurs and sodomites or women as housewives.. terms universally seen now as clownish and socially unacceptable. Vaush would be looked at sideways for not being able to see right now that a capitalist system ruled by respected economists, that deems a person’s economic worth, their life insurance payout, as being based entirely on how much they can do, give, how much time they have left.. is a toxic, discriminatory system that is basically saying you are not equal if you are not young, healthy with all of your limbs and a system like that is a system deciding you get less resources based on your immutable characteristics.. the bare bones of financial societal eugenics. vaush can be so up to date with women’s rights, with race issues, with trans rights, with international affairs- enough to know that ukraine isn’t run by n@zis and supplying arms to them isn’t as 2d as arming white supremacists and being white supremacist yourself by proxy, unlike hasan where that alongside other things is a big blindspot- (because apparently he is one of those people lucky enough to be around in the right time climate to be left, none of it has to do with critical reasoning skills because his views are pretty simple according to vaush and he’d just as easily be right wing, which i don’t entirely disagree with) - and yet vaush can be so blind, even willingly so, to the plight of millions of people worldwide with problems historically suffered since medieval ages, intergenerationally ignored or stamped out through actions and policies meaning they die homeless on the street from disease, have to join the circus to make people laugh for money, or are a target for eugenics and genocides through various regimes including 1930s 🇩🇪.. the only group of people unsung, shunned to this day, only brought up in passing reference on the discovery channel documentaries about the jewish holocaust and other atrocities.. yet the disabled were killed just as mercilessly, they never got any reparations or recognition and continued to be mistreated, outcasted, stigmatised and impoverished almost globally.. why? And you are seen as pitiful, un-enviable, unlucky in the event you find yourself disabled, which needs to change because it demeans everyone living with their disabilities. Just imagine someone saying “on thats too bad, hard going” to someone disclosing their friend being gay or bi, or being trans, gender diverse or a poc.. same thing here. This is an issue of the day requiring such nuanced thinking, open mindedness, acceptance, understanding, it is a defining moment in a time of social progression and the woke awakening, and vaush is doing nothing but hasaning himself with it.

[@theobell2002]

Vaush: "You can't be bigoted against a person simply because they hold a different political position than you." Also Vaush: *Calls gay people he disagrees with the f-slur.*

[@tomcross3000]

@@theobell2002 in what context?

[@beeswillinherittheearth5084]

They should just admit that assertive and abrasive people make them uncomfortable and leave it at that. Like you don’t have to be friends with everyone but it’s super dishonest/harassment to smear Vaush because they are uncomfortable with him

[@CPSPD]

the problem with that is that being uncomfortable to these people is raised to the status of trauma, harassment, and being in danger. we all need to log off, but some need to more than others.

[@ashfox7498]

They can't do that though because Vaush is going to criticize their takes every time they make stupid videos about how Vietnam flourished under planned economies or how it's the right of South Africans to choose ethnic cleansing if they want.

[@ms.bunniesarecute2287]

Agreed. I do think less time should be focused with arguing with nazis and alt right fascist, and shouldn't be an important goal to de-radicallize young offensive and edgy men because it does make spaces less safe for actual marginalized people...but the left can be a circular firing squad and it's so annoying. So many of us come from different spaces and I honeslty love all of you...im more of a Hasanabi frog myself, but we all double dip into other lefties content and chats

[@DatDude0925]

I do t think you realize how profound what you’re saying is. As someone who is fairly “assertive and abrasive” myself, there’s a lot of people who act like I’m attacking them or something.

[@jo0rd73]

That’s it. Most of the argumentation they engage in tends to amount to their emotional response and dislike for the way Vaush conducts himself as an online figure. There are plenty of valid criticisms to levy at Vaush but most of what I see online is bullshit about him except from people actually in the community ? Then if you pressure these people on their reasonings you end up with an uncharitable reading into takes he’s had and the way he’s mean when he delivers them. It boils my blood because these people claim they actually care about socialism but spend the majority of their content creator content moral posturing over other leftists.

[@erindonnelly8283]

As a trans woman, I am sick of how "sensitive" and "gentle" so many trans spaces online are. That obviously has a place, but this sickly sweet overly cautious and hugboxy version of online discourse is infantilizing and annoying. It's become so ubiquitous that I can't participate in most of these spaces because I don't feel like couching my language in 16 layers of sugar coating.

[@somewhat-blue]

It’s especially alienating as an autistic trans person, and a huge portion of us (something like 1/3) are.

[@subroy7123]

I'm not trans, so I wouldn't know too much, but is it like toxic positivity? Because that *really* doesn't do anyone any favors.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Well said! I hate that, and I also hate how a lot of "smol bean uwu" people in those spaces will flip on a dime and become *incredibly* aggressive if you trigger, contradict, or offend them.

[@kikiash2425]

I'm glad someone else said it. I remember I was in RGR's server like a year ago (pre-Demon Mama drama) and the community was disgustingly sugar-coated. One of the mods woke-scolded me for saying "stupid" in the context of me talking about my experience as an autistic person and shut me down. Uncucked left now.

[@thefirefridge5187]

Thank you! Obviously there's a time and place for everything and we should have spaces where everyone feels comfortable. But honestly, I wouldn't mind a few more spaces in the left that were at least a little more okay with just being kinda edgy. Not bad edgy mind you. More like, tastefully edgy. The left is sooooooo pearl clutchy online and it drives me nuts.

[@brandonlee9316]

What I find almost hilarious is the fact that I only found Vaush through the drama and being told how bad of a person he was (I live in South Dakota and was pretty involved in following some Native Activism stuff, so this was the drama after the Land Back) - I was so interested in finding out how this "Horrible person pretending to be a Leftist" could have such a big audience also convinced they were leftists that I started going through all the content, including the Drama Recap videos and the old historical streams kept around. And I unironically came around with: Oh, he was too intelligent and trapped them in their own rhetoric and instead of dealing with the problems their ethical systems could cause and examining their own biases to grow as people, they slammed the door shut and started calling him all the "-ists" they could get their hands on. I've since started going over all the videos I can and even catching streams live just to hear him talk and hearing him have to mention the fact that as much as his "Detractors" are saying they're being harassed, you basically have to add all their communities together plus all the right wing people who hate him too and *thats* how much harrassment *he* gets? Wow. It really hit hard. It's not something I would have consciously acknowledged without him laying it out, and honestly. The amount of willpower it would take to be able to bear that day in and day out while still trying to be a positive force of advocation for a community that hates him is honestly mindboggling to me. Sincerely, you're doing great work even if they'll never thank you for it.

[@malum9478]

_"And I unironically came around with: Oh, he was too intelligent and trapped them in their own rhetoric and instead of dealing with the problems their ethical systems could cause and examining their own biases to grow as people, they slammed the door shut and started calling him all the "-ists" they could get their hands on."_ a clinically debilitating fear of taking L's.

[@melaniey.5596]

Now that you describe the situation like this, I hope that Vaush doesn’t end like Lindsey Elis. A very popular KZbinr who was harassed by members of a community they helped foster (video-essays & progressive community) to the point it really negatively impacted her mental health and she had to quit because of it. Other than that, hello relatively newer fan! As much as the whole drama started by P Flowers sucked, at least it’s the reason one of my favorite Vaush convos, the talk with Native American activist Morgan, happened. And I’m glad you are here too \(^_^)/

[@galaxyocicat5660]

@@melaniey.5596 it's really disgusting honestly. How insane do you have to be to harrass the very people who helped uplift your community? It's like they're trying to sabotage themselves further.

[@brandonlee9316]

@@melaniey.5596 Vaush seems to be taking it in stride with the whole "Screw the Optics" arc that appears to be brewing, but I sincerely hope that the same thing doesn't happen to him either. And yeah! That wholesome convo with Morgan is perhaps one of my favorites he's done in recent memory and I'd probably use it as a way to introduce Vaush to other people to show them that he's not what they make him out to be, he was friendly, respectful, didn't talk over them - gave them a platform for their point of view as a Native person whose tribe is involved in an aspect of Land Back. Like... Imagine hearing al that shit and then the fucking Morgan convo was your first run-in with Vaush properly? The whiplash would be *deadly*.

[@melaniey.5596]

@@brandonlee9316 hahaha definitely! I hope she comes again because that talk was lovely, and I wish she had had the time to say what she wanted about the Red Canyon, but I understand that that trail of thought being derailed to talk about Mount Rushmore might have been more pertinent to the discussion XD

[@thefishempress]

Literally no one: Twitter "lefties": "umm honey you clearly can't be gay...you're just not feminine enough." like do these people not know that bears exist?

[@rishabhanand4973]

these are the same people who would (rightly) say that a trans person doesn't have to have transitioned or be "passing" in order for their trans identity to be valid. Unless of course, said trans person was associated with vaush or held a positive opinion of him

[@RickyFSeiei]

@@rishabhanand4973 God i hate those type of people man.

[@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken]

The worst was people saying that Vaush's partnership with Vermin doesn't count. Because Vermin apparently doesn't look the part of a nonbinary person due to their body type. Enbyphobia and fatshaming, how pog and hecking valid. :D

[@rainbowkrampus]

They're probably to frightened by the outward masculinity of bears to acknowledge their existence lest they have a panic attack on the spot.

[@RickyFSeiei]

@@rainbowkrampus i believe those type of people define Toxic Masculinity as everyone who are masculine are toxic. Not the real definition.

[@Cruizinelli12]

I’m really sick of these “leftists” who claim that anytime you criticize a nonwhite, non cis, non het, non male individual, you’re automatically being bigoted, as opposed to just disagreeing with that person, because they’re genocide supporters for example. It’s actually really patronizing and performative to reflexively defend the person who’s technically more marginalized, just because it’s uncomfortable to call them out. Plus, it seems like the people who always cry about Vaush’s community supposedly brigading them with harassment, will usually use their own identities as shields, then proceed to cry bully others.

[@malum9478]

the term is literally "infantilization", and it's a big issue with the online left's prescriptions of issues.

[@sypherthe297th2]

Why should anyone treat minorities like adults? Then you'd have to actually respect them but they're clearly not up to proper standards so we'll just have to make excuses and such. . . . . . . . . Wait a minute. That's almost like being discriminatory.

[@WiloPolis03]

If anything minority figures should have the right to have criticism extended towards them, refusing to on this basis would be bigoted itself

[@Roxanneredpanda]

idpol is a hell of a drug

[@SergyMilitaryRankings]

The whole marginalised thing is nonsense aswell

[@lochnessamonster1912]

Their bullying and in and out group mentality is literal middle school shit, being displayed by fn adults. Grow tf up, people!

[@Onus6688]

Based

[@Jackvonblood]

Unfortunately they're probably not going to, their brains stopped growing long ago.

[@sypherthe297th2]

Tankies never stopped playing make believe unfortunately.

[@daved2352]

It's middle school shit yes, and lets remember not to conflate childish with harmless, cos it's middle school shit like this that leads to suicides.

[@KairoStark]

They are tonkies. Growing up wasnt on the option menu.

[@meguca201]

As a person of color and an aspiring philosopher, the philosophical illiteracy of the online left is quite tragic. It actually saddens me that anyone could listen to that farcicle debate and still trust in the intellectual honesty of Luna or EJ.

[@caelin4174]

Ngl you come off as trying to impress

[@meguca201]

@@caelin4174 Have I succeeded?

[@paconotaco]

@@meguca201 as another aspiring philosopher, yes

[@tomisaacson2762]

A particular type of person is overrepresented in online leftist spaces, and let's just say that they're generally not gonna be people who make good philosophy easy to do. Leftists' dogwhistle detectors are particularly hypersensitive. They'll notice dogwhistles where a lib won't, for example. The result is a lot more false positives. Hence all the "Vaush is a nazi" accusations. That's actually part of the function of dogwhistles. It's hard to do good philosophy in an environment (like online leftist spaces) where there's that much suspicion of one another. It's not just illiteracy, it's dogmatism and cynicism.

[@jessiemiller880]

There are entire categories of discussion that the online left isn't remotely mature enough to handle at present. Good luck on your future degree or relevant employment.

[@NateTalksToYou]

This crybully behavior from the likes of Thought Slime and Luna Oi is what pushed a lot of moderates into the hands of reactionaries. Let's not have a repeat of 2015-2016.

[@Voikona]

Can attest! It gave me a nice hard shove over to the right when i was in high school. Vaush and his community were by far the most effective thing in pushing me out of that shit because i hadnt known the left online to be anything but toxic crybullies like this until discovering him. No arguments just emotional manipulation and moral grandstanding because its only like youre getting cut out of their clique to them.

[@soccerruben1]

Hi! I definitely agree. So, I’m kind of curious, what made you got out of the anti-SJW phase, per the popular uploads on your channel, if I may ask?

[@davitdavid7165]

Thats the thing. The worse the left acts, the more power the right gets.

[@VCCassidy]

Agree. But also think if online discourse by youtubers is pushing someone to embrace morally repugnant views, and toxic ideologies, it’s time to log off, touch grass, and play some pool with your buddies.

[@Rainaman-]

NateTalksToUs

[@UnorthodoxIndividual]

I remember getting kicked out of a twitter groupchat because one of the people in there saw I interacted with a Vaush meme, of course they said he was a pdf file and brought up the 4 year old Harassment drama. The pdf file "evidence" was of course a fucking out of context screenshot that I didn't have the context to, and even after I conceded that I couldn't defend anything they kicked me out anyways. I understand the inherent disgust with anything even remotely edgy you see from a leftist content creator, but jesus man, we need to be at least a little charitable. It's honestly even worse because it was literally selective charitability, there was other people in the chat who followed Vaush lmao

[@felicitys3621]

Oh hey the cartoon clipper I like! Hi! I like your vids

[@MrBaron15]

Always a pleasure to see you here :)

[@heavysystemsinc.]

There's a lot of extremely humorless lefties. It's not even a case of 'I don't get it' or 'eh, not my taste in humor' but literally humorless unless they're laughing at their own stupid jokes which, coincidentally, often actually aren't funny.

[@SuperMikeFender]

I've never seen "pdf file" used in this way before, and it made me snort water out of my nose... So thank you.

[@UsoMerit]

These people are about as hurtful for the left as you can be. Those are exactly the kind of people in all those "owning sjw compilations", and who get used as examples by far right groups/people to get "normies" on their side.

[@urielsantos9546]

Th "harrassment" and "hate mobs" they complain about are people asking questions like "why are you lying?", "why did you cut the clip mid-sentence?" "you're ignoring the context that literally undoes your entire argument!". These people just label any oposition to their blind hatred as "mobbing" and "harrassin" while influencing people to do this shit themselves. Disgusting.

[@Ynwell_theslaaneshi]

Oh yeah, asking for context and explanation is harassment… The more I see stuff like ts cry about how Vaush is a racist creep, but didn’t acknowledge the fact what Luna Oi does is just going left or right to justify “Vietnam socialism good”, even when she has to make a 180 turn to say “actually our free market is better because it’s better”

[@Robiness]

I love that it the clipping out of context became so common that it now became "Vaush fans always excuse him by asking for _context_ " You know like it's pattern of dishonest behaviour on our side not theirs

[@soccerruben1]

You just described how Noah Samsen saw the disagreements people had towards PF and Kat Blaque in his latest slimy video.

[@McSqueeb]

Someone unironically called me a Vaushite over the NC/Luna shit because I said NC came off badly lmao

[@daraghokane4236]

You are under his videos so look like a fan to me

[@McSqueeb]

@@daraghokane4236 you are too, friendo. Are you a Vaush fan?

[@fabiobalassia]

@@McSqueeb damn, we're all Vaushites now

[@hackE444]

@Alyx Look like Daragh O'kane is a certified vaushite

[@sharkythegw7843]

@@daraghokane4236 You are under his videos so you look like a big fan of him too lol

[@violetsangel1181]

The main lesson I learned is to completely never ever have a Twitter account, no matter how low I would stoop for attention

[@Jackvonblood]

But what about porn? Hmmm...

[@jimmyramos1989]

Exactly. I’ve never had one and never will.

[@ZgermanGuy.]

Jep i do have a Twitter but i only remember that i jave it every 6 months or so when i think to myself oh jea you could post a link to one of your videos Twitter is a toxic waste dump were nuance goes to die

[@kikiash2425]

Based

[@KateeAngel]

I realised twitter would lead to things like that when it only appeared, cause its format doesn't allow to explain all nuances of someone's views in one post.

[@Blah64]

With talks like this, Vaush actually tricked me into hiding my enjoyment of his videos and never discussing them with Discord friends. Vaush is wrong though. I eventually discovered that Vaush is well-liked in my circles.

[@raak4070]

Yeah I've met 3 vaushites irl in the last year, surprised every time.

[@jessiemiller880]

Wish that was the case with my friend circle. They caught VDS during the kink at pride discourse.

[@raak4070]

@@jessiemiller880 thats a bummer

[@verager2493]

It's a small but really vocal group that hates him

[@Alkezo1]

Most of the leftists I know have some arbitrary hatred of Vaush, usually tied to their misunderstandings of the one of twenty out of context clips intentionally spread around to convince people to hate Vaush. Ironically, the one Vaushite friend I had turned out to be incredibly toxic and I had to cut our relationship. Really sucks since he was the one person I could talk politics with without having to restrain myself from even referring to anything Vaush would agree with.

[@BenjaminGlatt]

Somebody who actually uses Twitter should compile all of Though Slime's tweets about Vaush and do a direct comparison to Vaush's tweets about TS. I just think it would be interesting to see a wall of whiny bullshit next to essentially nothing.

[@ShimonYaqulu]

KnowNOthing is the guy

[@cruelcumber5317]

I don't think that would ever be a fair comparison if only because vaush doesn't need to tweet to say something about TS publicly, he'll say it on stream, whereas unless TS wants to straight up make a video about vaush or wants to discuss a topic in which bringing him up would be relevant, their only public avenue for sharing their thoughts on vaush is twitter.

[@ometta7]

@@cruelcumber5317 Thought Slime also streams, just not as often and not as the focus of their channel. Mildred has also frequently appeared on other breadtubers' livestreams before, such as The Serf Times and Sophie from Mars.

[@Quaquadaqu]

Didn’t Vaush say the age of consent should be 14?

[@ometta7]

@@Quaquadaqu I don't recall ever hearing him say that, but I admittedly haven't seen every millisecond of every bit of content he's produced. Did you hear him say that yourself or was it something you heard from someone else who was talking about him?

[@OhChrumbs]

Most of these people do genuinely good work, in their own niches, and to certain extents. Watching them waste their time with this petty bullshit every day just makes me overwhelmingly sad. Twitter really is a fucking magnificent gift to the right.

[@charliekahn4205]

Twitter has one purpose. It gets toxic people off Tumblr.

[@MrGksarathy]

Exactly. Thought Slime is a good content creator in their own niche, but they are stupid on Twitter or with anything involving Vaush, and that honestly makes me sad.

[@berjanbeen7188]

@@MrGksarathy I thought Shaun had done shitty Twitter takes, but man TS really disappointed me with this.

[@poerava]

Twitter: Where people can shit on your face and leave, before you wipe the💩 off your eyes and see who did it

[@dckhead8429]

its like they forgot about the r@cists and n*zis and p*dos and all the bad people they are supposedly trying to fight off in the first place. the only thing they care about is Vaush.

[@tylersage4750]

The weird part about all of this stuff, is like most of Vaush's audience, like 90% of it in my opinion likes all of left tubes videos. It's just so weird that the creators themselves have this one specific fault line around vaush. It feels very surface level, and like it's just based off of aesthetics.

[@dinosaysrawr]

I'd say I like most Leftube content, and when I don't like somebody or their content I...just don't watch them? Also, when Leftubers I enjoy socialize with people I consider iffy, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt as long as their content, opinions, and real-world behavior stay on the level, as opposed to screaming for them to be cancelled, as some people are wont to do.

[@rainbowkrampus]

I used to like most left tube content. But I've fallen out with a lot of them because many of them have demonstrated the kind of ungrounded world view NC showed off. Making points that don't follow from previous statements, adopting attitudes which I deem counterproductive, etc. I really hope that this whole experience helps show other people that a lot of left tube aren't worth the time it takes to watch them.

[@emylily8266]

they just don't like his personality, thats literally it. And i get it, Vaush is a confrontational debate bro, Destiny lite (but not as derranged), it's easy to be uncharitable towards him because you already feel like he has "bad vibes".

[@Quaquadaqu]

Bro, Vaush literally said CP should be legal. Why are you listening to this creep?

[@Reirae]

Vaush brings up pedophilia way too much and also talks like a 13 year old on a redpill subreddit.

[@comradeanthony4120]

As a Mod of one of the Vaush Fan groups on Facebook. We have and still allow people in who don't have the most favorable opinions of Vaush. They don't like actively spew hate or bad faith they just have criticisms, but we allow them to stay because we actually believe in good faith discussions and that you should be allowed to criticize your favorite thought leader. Go to another space and it has become a well known fact in these groups Vaush is like Fight Club, first rule when going in other left groups "Don't talk about Vaush Club"

[@serversurfer6169]

Vaush: I oppose ethnic cleansing. Breadtube: Like, _all_ ethnic cleansing? Vaush: …yeah? Breadtube: That's pretty racist, bro.

[@XMysticHerox]

Some of these people seem to think the left is just the opposite of the right but not in any way that matters but just in terms of which people you are supremacist for and which power blocks imperialism you support. Not conciously obviously but it really is how some of these people think. It's all aesthetics.

[@kap1618]

I hate to say it but Thought Slime is cut from the same cloth as Lily orchard. People and communities that are toxic and abusive but complain about the toxicity of others with a complete lack of self awareness.

[@emilyrainflower25]

The only way to interpret their behaviour in a charitable way at this point is to assume that they’re just mind numbingly stupid. You were obviously challenging his moral system and that context is literally never addressed in their responses. How willfully ignorant can they get? No intelligent person would watch the last 10, 20 minutes of that stream and think you were just “pushing the J question”. They still can’t figure out that you were trying to show it doesn’t matter and can’t matter if you’re trying to condemn genocide effectively. It’s either that or they’re just unashamedly spreading pure disingenuous slander and it’s gross and sad and is super disappointing to see.

[@maeschder]

A lot of them literally just jump at the chance to demonize people. They will uncritically parrot and bullshit smear they hear out of tribalism

[@codisha2970]

Great take. We’re never going to get any leftist ball rolling if these people are what most think leftism is. What with Oi’s USSR red fash t shirt.

[@discipleoferis549]

Cancellations are literally never given context. It's incredibly rare that someone who participates in an in-fighting cancellation actually puts even one iota of effort into figuring out if the treatment was deserved or even based remotely on reality. Humans just enjoy tearing down people they view as better than them in some way, like some kind of blood sport. It's a psychological weakness we have.

[@jrg2866]

I swear, 90% of this is just -Vaush is making argument A -Vaush mentions counterargument B, then refutes it as part of the larger argument A -Someone with nothing better to do clips the mention of B -Vaush trends on twitter, everyone thinks he believes B

[@codisha2970]

@@jrg2866 So fucking true!

[@DuskyPredator]

I do like some of Thought Slime's videos, but this is getting a bit out of hand. He needs to have a bit more awareness for why Vaush makes him so upset and come to terms with it instead of thinking it is okay to push the harassment.

[@dinosaysrawr]

I really enjoy Thought Slime's content and sense of humor (including their Scaredy Cat videos), so it's really disappointing to hear that they've acted like a jerk to Vaush, Xanderhal, and other folks on Twitter. It just seems so pointlessly counterproductive.

[@user-yr8ge3fz8o]

This isnt something I'd throw out lightly because I feel like it plays into a right wing talking point, but I unironically think a decent handful of the hate Vaush gets, especially from men or some masc enbies (TS identifies as "Dude+" on their bio so I think it's fair to put them under that umbrella) is because he's a hairy and traditionally masculine man and these people have unfortunatley come to overly conflate the aesthetic of traditional masculinity with toxic masculinity (which is not an aesthetic in the first place, it's behavior). Maybe I'm projecting a bit, but when I was way more depressed and mentally unhealthy in the past, I overcompensated with the soft boi shit myself and developed a serious bias against traditional masculinity in this way. I dont think that's the only reason people like TS develop this level of hatred for Vaush, but my gut (which may be wrong) tells me it's the spark for the fire at least.

[@DuskyPredator]

@@user-yr8ge3fz8o I think that to some degree I might relate. As an AMAB enby, I did have some complex masculinity back to when I would do things like grow a beard to convince myself of the masculinity. You know what, I think it is kind of like a "not like other girls" sort of thing. Where it becomes the kind of woke thing to bash the stereotypical gender thing. But really, you should accept it as long as it isn't hurting anyone. Masculinity does not need to mean something like abuse, and thinking that way cam be toxic.

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

He defended Professor Flowers at his fake virtue signally award show ffs, made me unsubscribe

[@FelisImpurrator]

It's white male guilt. People often do this shit for social acceptance - like how kids who get bullied will often try to ingratiate themselves by emulating the bullies and finding someone else less socially acceptable to pick on. It's a defense mechanism to deflect insecurity. I've been there. It never works. It's a stupid, childish mindset to even try to capitulate to the worst, most toxic excesses of social ape cognition.

[@francesfaux]

We're not the toxic ones, vaush is 100% correct here, we're the ones always getting banned from subs, discords, etc merely for being fans of vaush, in a post of mine on the vaush sub about a post from r/dankleft people kept saying they got banned for simply uttering the word vaush in an even remotely not negative way, its annoying how dishonest these people are about the community

[@theamberabyss1745]

A lot of online leftist forums are modded by tankies, especially on reddit and discord

[@catboynestormakhno2694]

@@theamberabyss1745 wow what a suprise tankies are reddit mods, totally never saw that one coming

[@rougenarwhal8378]

Truly the most oppressed group

[@theamberabyss1745]

@@catboynestormakhno2694 Careful there, i'm allergic to sarcasm

[@francesfaux]

@@theamberabyss1745 oh do i know it! R/Shitliberalssay is one of the biggest offenders out there the mods have maaaad vds i don't comment in half the subs I'm in cos tankies mod them and i know I'll get 1984'd if i say anything they don't like

[@sadgeleaf_4915]

When people try to get you to prove your sexuality it really grinds my gears. I could literally do the same thing and say “prove that you’re straight. You don’t look straight.” I guarantee you that they would say something like “that’s not how it works” because it’s only how it works when you aren’t like them

[@jjg7702]

Also no one should ever have to "prove" their sexuality. Even if a pansexual person has never slept with the same gender that doesn't change their attraction. No one should have to actually sleep with someone to prove who they are attracted to. AND THEY ONLY DO THIS TO VAUSH if some person said "yeah I'm a bisexual woman but I haven't slept with a woman yet" no one would argue with them. It's solely because it's vaush and they hate how abrasive he is

[@gothboschincarnate3931]

Reminders me of the atheist/religious debates. its all nonsense.

[@yan_dj]

This video is pure catharsis as someone who's VERY annoyed at the VDSers, they make my blood boil everytime I read another lie, *and I don't even have twitter*

[@michael.471]

Don’t forget that he is also a part of the most oppressed minorities: Gamers

[@TheHeavyshadow]

Also he is a person of colour, as he did indeed vote for Biden.

[@Hedgemonkey5]

Raise your hand if you've been called a radlib/counter-revolutionary and have been told you will "get the wall". Tankies are the worst for this shit.

[@jasonfenton8250]

But then other tankies say we should trust the authoritarian left and just cooperate until after the revolution.

[@Rensoku611]

"counter-revolutionary" coming from them is hilarious, since they simp for literal counter-revolutionary state capitalism and spicy social democracy

[@jessiemiller880]

🖐

[@malum9478]

@@Genesis-of3ln never has.

[@josephinehendricks]

one time I got ratioed in a "leftist" meme subreddit for criticizing stalin, and someone replied with "scratch a liberal a fascist bleeds"

[@will_from_pa]

All TS needed to say was "I just don't like Vaush personally and he seems like kind of a jerk" and that's it. Instead, man went down a rabbit hole of pdf-jacketing and calling Vaush a racist. Things that are verifiably untrue and just makes TS look insane and stupid. What a disappointment that someone who makes fairly well researched content couldn't even be bothered to do a tiny bit of research before calling someone a pdf file or a racist

[@EPChanneled]

ThoughtSlime was never good

[@will_from_pa]

@@EPChanneled His content has been. He himself has not

[@SirPhysics]

More and more people (especially on the left) seem incapable of saying "I just don't like this thing/person." They need a reason that the thing they dislike is actually dangerous and harmful and it's objectively good to dislike it, and if they don't have one they'll make one up.

[@Quaquadaqu]

@@SirPhysics Vaush has said so many creepy things about kids, bro. You’re delusional if you don’t think he’s even a little bit dangerous.

[@SirPhysics]

@@Quaquadaqu If he had said half as many creepy things as you think he has then people wouldn't have to reach this hard when trying to smear him.

[@ashfox7498]

God this is such a good segment. I know he's kind of hinted at this stuff for a while but it's cathartic to just hear him lay into these people as abusers. People like Thoughtslime and Luna Oi only care about keeping leftism as their little club. It's funny I went to a few videos from TS and NC just to see what people were saying about Vaush in their communities and it's hilarious how they act like "we need to cauterize Vaush from the rest of the community, at a certain point we hit the paradox of solidarity and you do more harm to solidarity letting people like Vaush in." as if they weren't anything more than an obscure tight knit community trying to keep the whole left gatekept by themselves. Can someone point me to where Luna Oi or is out organizing money for local elections anywhere, or Thought Slime?

[@SemiDoge]

Local elections? Does Vietnam even have elections?

[@NotAFakeName1]

Thought Slime reluctantly encourages people to vote and that's about it. I dont feel comfortable generalizing the kinds of direct action effective in places like America or Canada to Vietnam tho idk enough about their local politics.

[@joshuafreeman3609]

Thought Slime mostly focuses on direction people to direct action resources like how to help create unions and stuff. Which is all well and good when you aren’t a smug little fuckwit like they are so often.

[@DatDude0925]

Luna Oi retweeted something my incumbent city councilwoman posted once

[@ashfox7498]

@@NotAFakeName1 Sure, and I don't think it's incumbent for any leftist content creator to be some lieutenant of the revolution; but these people are acting like we need to excise Vaush for the greater good so I'm curious what exactly they are accomplishing that justifies them being the ones to gatekeep. What are they getting done to justify themselves having some position of authority or whatever over breadtube, especially being the less popular content creators even combined.

[@PackRunner3]

This isn't even bullying a random or small channel. Thought slime has proven themselves very capable of putting together 20 minute-60 minute video take downs of content creators they view as damaging or problematic. All while providing recipts. Let's invite them to do just that if vaush is really so bad. Go ahead TS... flip that coin.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

*cue the same ooc clips* *everyone eats it up* *again* Fakelefts need to be excised before they ruin what little we have

[@PackRunner3]

@@herec0mestheCh33f tbf I think TS is a leftist but like vaush said, he has abusive tendencies. We all know TS is a slave to their emotions and it manifests in the ugliest ways

[@XxCorvette1xX]

@@PackRunner3 you sound like a Destiny fan lmao

[@PackRunner3]

@@XxCorvette1xX far from it tbh. I just don't want to get hyperbolic. TS is a leftist and a very troubled person. Now they're officially being abusive. Doesn't make their political leanings any more right wing. My issue is with their behavior and statements and I want to keep it focused on that.

[@XxCorvette1xX]

@@PackRunner3 ahh civility is always paramount to truth cool

[@diego199302]

Ngl, left twitter hates all the content creators responsible for moving me further left. And are the exact type of people that are the reason for me not doing so earlier.

[@VMonkies]

Same here, the purity-testing and hostility to anyone who doesn't think like them is a major turn off. I had to make my own way leftward because there was no one I could find online that seemed like they would be willing to teach newbies without just scoffing and saying "Read theory." They don't really care about spreading their politics, they just want to feel aggrieved and morally superior to anybody else.

[@JackgarPrime]

Let me see if I can guess the list: Vaush Contrapoints Lindsay Ellis Maaaaaybe PhilosophyTube or Hbomb for being associated with the previous 2 Maybe Xanderhal, too Did I nail it?

[@Jackvonblood]

Yeah, fucking same. Vaush was the one person to (relatively recently) pull me out of the far-right rabbithole. Hopefully the terminally online can do something about the magical event known as "touching grass", then start making videos and Twitter threads talking about right-wing lunatics instead of screaming about stupid fucking accusations against people like Vaush and Contrapoints.

[@Colgruv]

@@JackgarPrime Yep! All the ones who are actually watchable.

[@keyboardstalker4784]

@@Colgruv actually putting effort into your scriptwriting and presentation is fash

[@ngotemna8875]

So glad seeing "The Radical Reviewer" defending Vaush. Truly the goodest of all the good bois!

[@NyJoanzy]

Radical Reviewer deserves all the treats.

[@awest182]

Vaush: bans everyone from his discord Me who got banned from his discord: tru

[@FloppaFag]

I was literally banned for saying Albania isn't real lmao

[@luisrivas6923]

You know, their gaslighting would be way more effective if they hadn’t overplayed their hand so much w ContraPoints and Lindsay Ellis. No one with working brain cells can take these people seriously anymore when they “call out” a “problematic” KZbinr.

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

I'm so confused about the Contra situation. She platformed a massive transphobe (Buck Angel) and when she got criticism for it she whined about being cancelled.

[@oogleboogle8160]

@@sophitiaofhyrule What are you talking about? Buck angel (trans man) may have said sussy things on twitter (distancing himself from the rest of the trans community), but Contra didn't invite him on her show to rant about how nb people aren't valid. He... Was barely in her video for ten seconds and was only there to quote a line from John Waters. And framing her cancellation as, "criticism" is extremely dishonest and reductive. She received death threats, threats of physical violence, thousands of people saying fucking terrible shit to her (one even said they'd love to smash her head in with a bat). Is that criticism now?

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@oogleboogle8160 also She apologised for platforming him even if it was for ten seconds after analysing it

[@oogleboogle8160]

It wasn’t even “platforming” Tho. Platforming is when you give someone a platform to voice their opinion... not voice a line. If Dreamworks has terry Cruz voice a character in an animated flick are they “platforming” him? No.

[@amusicalindividual1772]

As someone who has very mixed feelings towards Vaush, I find it interesting how a lot of the people who despise him the most are infinitely more delusional than he is

[@KZ-xt4hl]

@@Ass_of_Amalek Ah yes, a very serious person who took the time to spell "faush" , I must take you seriously. How awful of vaush to pick fights with people who have bad criticisn, it's not like they are * checks notes * the most popular leftist figures online, it's almost as if vaush responds to the actual big creators with big communities instead of every dimwit who writes "faush" in the comment section. You are an embarrassing human.

[@KZ-xt4hl]

@@Ass_of_Amalek so you can't even spell your insults right, how inspiring

[@PM-xu2nq]

@@Ass_of_Amalek Perfectly exemplifying the aforementioned infinitely delusional Vaush hater.

[@rainbowkrampus]

@@KZ-xt4hl Experience has taught me that people who start sentences without capitalization are generally unhinged lunatics or six year olds. Gunther here is contributing nicely to the collection of data point by being both an unhinged lunatic and having the mind of a six year old.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@rainbowkrampus Hey, I do it sometimes because I have the *patience* of a six year old, but unlike Gunther, I actually try to exercise basic metacognitive processes.

[@melaniey.5596]

Wait. We have literally been gaslighted about how bad our community is? Godammit, this people are REALLY desperate to be the victims here aren’t they?

[@rainbowkrampus]

I'm not on social media for the most part so I assumed most of the claims were over exaggerated but based in something. Every community of sufficient size has bad actors after all. Now I can't help but wonder if any of the claims were ever true. These people so easily fall back on lies.

[@zen_tewmbs]

The thing that sold me on the idea that we were fully gaslit that Vaush’s community is toxic to leftists/minority creators is the weirdly repeated admission that the increase in actual harassment and identity based attacks comes along with every direct controversy with any sufficiently large content creator. That admission is INCREDIBLY telling.

[@charliekahn4205]

I only have one complaint about the community, and that is that a few members won't let you hear the end of it if you disagree respectfully on one or two certain non-hateful issues.

[@zen_tewmbs]

@@charliekahn4205 isn’t that any community of sufficient size though?

[@thatmusicdude9513]

The Online Left: *Exists* ...also... The Online Left: "Let's split up, gang!" I'm really tired the infighting, holy shit. Thought Slime is being such an asshole in this case, and I've lost all respect for them. Also, honestly, the best thing Vaush could've done is not even give TS the time of day. Seriously, everyone on the left needs to go do some sort of Twitter intervention. Seriously, it's just a petri dish of the worst shit the internet has to offer. Just get off the goddamn site and stick to streams/vids.

[@Jackvonblood]

I'd agree with everything in this comment, I'm very sick of always online lefties acting like fucking lunatics cause they hear somebody enjoys somebody they don't like. The online left and people like them are why I was so far-right in my younger years, and the insistence on purity testing as much as possible is only going to continue to push people like the younger me to the right. Hopefully some of these people acquire a couple more braincells soon.

[@charliekahn4205]

At least there are only two sides to the current OL: "Vaush bad" and "Vaush okay"

[@wegriz5570]

Luna Oi is considered a fascist by Vietnamese radical because of how much she simps for the state and finds justification for atrocities committed by it.

[@subroy7123]

Is she? Can you link some of this stuff?

[@charliekahn4205]

Which explains why she tends to cherrypick takes from the left and the right in order to defend a powerful government. But I wouldn't go as far as that; I'd just call her a nationalist.

[@jacencade4019]

Clearly she knows what gallows means.

[@Blakbox92]

She should know what a rope or guillotine is (she's actually mentioned guillotines on her Twitter account), the excuse she's ESL was totally empty, it's weak. She should have taken responsibility for it.

[@chaoszhul_4d586]

@@Hagane98 what does ESL mean?

[@DevinMacGregor]

@@chaoszhul_4d586 English as a Second Language.

[@DevinMacGregor]

@@Hagane98 What did you think it meant?

[@229masterchief]

I don't even like Vaush that much, but the hate he get is truly illogical and honestly depressing.

[@Haispawner]

We even got a name for it: VDS or "Vaush Derangement Syndrome" which is when a person starts obsessively hating on Vaush, with almost no provocation either.

[@XxCorvette1xX]

@@Haispawner lmao y’all are worse than Hillary Clinton supporters

[@NeoIsrafil]

It doesn't make logical sense, people just want a reason to hate him and usually it seems they have to make one up to find one... hes a good guy, a little abrasive, but a great activist and very caring!

[@foreverdm7000]

@@XxCorvette1xX worse at taking Ls

[@229masterchief]

@@XxCorvette1xX I hope Luna sees this bro

[@hallesinclair5174]

Watching the non-compete debate made me so happy. Seeing Vaush double down and just say, yeah I like being mean to people I don't like, was great.

[@TheCountOfMommysCrisco]

The pretense of civility is too-often a tool used by those who know they have no argument. It's used to gatekeep righteous anger so that it can only be used by their side. We see this with Republicans basically every day.

[@ApotheosisZzz]

Where is the iconic “Maupin > Vaush” comment? It’s always here almost immediately. Cmon dude, step it up!

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

Yeah, I miss it too. :(

[@Jackvonblood]

Sad!

[@sidneydavidson993]

I've been enjoying Thought Slime's videos for about a year and they used to have good stuff....seeing all this behaviour coming to light....it blows my mind

[@Bazooka-Jo3]

Same here, I've been a fan of vaush/thoughtslime for a same amount of time, and I dont know why TS has a problem with Vaush.

[@PropheticShadeZ]

No one is a perfect person. Everyone has a bad take, and trauma triggers if we wanna be as charitable as possible. You should take his opinions with the colouring of knowing he takes small actions to justify his discomfort with people

[@Envy11235]

Imho this feels right up thoughtslime's path. Their best videos are almost always the videos where they just quote greater thinkers. But this is why I don't listen to failed stand up comedians.

[@Gloomdrake]

@@PropheticShadeZ TS has experienced nothing to justify harassment

[@NotAFakeName1]

@@Bazooka-Jo3 I wasn't following either of them when this happened so I don't know the full story but I think the antagonism started when vaush got mad on twitter and did a stream about something TS said about gender abolition. Vaush claims he said a lot of transphobic stuff at the time and seems to regret it. Ofc that doesn't justify or excuse any of the misinformation or slander TS has engaged in and expressed no regret for, especially towards Xan.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

I'm glad I got the same gut feel about thought slime that I did about creepshowart. Enjoyed their content at first, but something felt off in a way I couldn't put my finger on and I fell off their videos. And then it comes out a year down the line that they're just absolute bonkers lmao edit: and RGR, come to think of it. Huh

[@alexbennet4195]

The creepshowart thing is so whack, but her videos were pretty simplistic drama-mongering with the occasional weird false accusations, so not, like, the most empathetic content, whereas Thoughtslime actually shows real insight in their videos, so... where did it all go??

[@Romanticoutlaw]

@@alexbennet4195 I mean, for the majority of the time I followed thoughtslime's content, I wasn't aware of their twitter behavior, but once I became aware of it, it became fairly clear that this has been a long-running issue. They just are very good at curating their words in scripted videos versus off the cuff replies to people

[@stormfischerr]

YES

[@HobGungan]

I felt this way about TS AND Noncompete. And Peter Coffin. How interesting.

[@vantahawk2834]

@@HobGungan True. Especially Peter Coffin made many, pretty magnificent videos actually, if you blind out everything else about them.

[@WiloPolis03]

As a bisexual white male with ADHD, I really feel for Vaush and his struggle against oppression ✊✊😤😤

[@TheKarret]

I'm a white afab asexual with Bipolar 1 [and I want to get assessed for ADHD too; gotta kick myself into getting some pricing on that], and I agree.

[@MsScarletwings]

As a bisexual woman with adhd, same hat

[@subroy7123]

Can I say I'm really glad that Vaush is taking the anti-Lindsay Ellis attitude towards the haters? This is not at all a condemnation towards how Lindsay handled her twitter mob-piling and I genuinely believe we should have compassion towards attitudes like hers. But I also believe we are headed towards a digital environment where Vaush's way of handling things is the only way.

[@JP-sm4cs]

Yeah people need to learn punch back

[@FormThisWay]

Could you elaborate on that? I'm confused as to what Lindsay Ellis did that Vaush contradicts, genuinely I don't think I have that context

[@KairoStark]

The Lindsay Ellis thing really pushed my buttons. She was effective, intelligent and advocated for people actually thinking instead of spewing hatred through in-groupism, so of course, they had to take her down. So I'm glad that Vounch has decided to declare war instead.

[@subroy7123]

@@FormThisWay She walked away from social media. Vaush is doing the opposite. He is not only staying on social media, but is actively pushing back against his detractors and pointing out their dishonesty. Again, remember, I'm saying that it is *important* to have compassion for Lindsay's perspective of just not being able to do this anymore for sake of mental health. Vaush went over this on his Lindsay Ellis video. It's just that I believe we are headed towards a more antagonistic digital environment.

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

One should never coddle or ignore an active threat

[@2kthrills168]

I actually uploaded a tik Tok that got over 200k views. It was Vaush talking about men's issues and the comments were full of people talking about Vaush defending cp 🙄🙄🙄

[@fabiobalassia]

The fact that kids over on tiktok have already been exposed to the "Vaush pro cp" narrative is wild

[@2kthrills168]

@@fabiobalassia yeah really upsetting.

[@charliekahn4205]

Want free engagement? Just talk about Vaush.

[@2kthrills168]

@@charliekahn4205 for real 🤣

[@KZ-xt4hl]

I used to be a fan of Mildred (thoughtslime) , they keep falling lower and lower as time passes. It's a shame.

[@sidneydavidson993]

It's a clown car pile up in slow motion

[@VMonkies]

Yeah I kinda feel the same way, which is a shame because I thought being a fellow Achewood fan they'd be kinda chill, but recently it's become harder to watch their stuff because of this drama BS. Like goddamn, stick to the videos and politics and drop the fucking drama. I want to be an engaged lefty, but goddamn this drama shit is embarrassing, in all honesty. A lot of us seem to be wanting to go the same direction politically, but this purity-testing and inter-personal drama is exhausting.

[@poposterous236]

I've really enjoy TS's content over the years, lots of really great videos. Kind of weird taste in movies, I don't always agree with them but... and this is a totally subjective take, but... I just don't like their vibe at all? Like their body language makes me feel on a deep level that I wouldn't enjoy spending time with them. I'm not on twitter so the leftier-than-thou attitude I'm seeing recently is only somewhat of a surprise.

[@erikrobinson9999]

@@poposterous236 personally the thing that got to me were the weird esoteric naming conventions of his channel that didn’t really change anything (thought slime 2.0 etc) and the mental health vids. Just got to my nerves

[@MDoorpsy]

@@poposterous236 Yeah, I've enjoyed their content, but their vibe has always been off. Reminds me of some hyper religious conservative catholics I knew in college.

[@emmaobrien1376]

I don't even have the time to watch Vaush videos, we just listen to them at work. Who's got the time for harassment?

[@PM-xu2nq]

The same people who always ruined the internet for everyone - emotionally maladjusted, poorly socialised NEETS, mostly. Basically people who probably would've been 4chan gremlins 15 years ago, or tumblr gremlins ~8/10 years ago.

[@thewitchcoven]

I recognize that name. He's a close (online) friend. Yeah, he can be a bit rough sometimes, but YIKES. There is a lot of pressure in online leftist spaces for simply not thinking that Vaush is an enemy to the left tantamount to literal Hitler. I don't even blame all of the individuals involved, as there is SO much shit and misinformation and dishonesty to sift through. Like, ThoughtSlime, I really like. They're cool as fuck, generally. Sophie is also pretty popping sometimes, and I generally like her/their (I forget pronouns) content. This shit is just so old. Like, I'll be real, I used to have a passive disdain for Vaush just from the shit I'd hear from my friends, but every time I'd see Chuck or somebody tweet some bullshit, I'd look into it and be like "Actually, I either agree, or at least think that this opinion is reasonable". Eventually, I just stopped trying to correct people. Seeing all of your friends fall for this VDS shit is like seeing all of your family turn into Q-Anoners. It's kinda upsetting. Edit: Holy shit, RadicalReviewer is even more based than I though

[@soccerruben1]

I just found out per GayFesh, a Twitter account who’s close to Demonmama (side note, props to her for sticking for Vaush), that Jessie Gender, a trans KZbinr who makes videos on Star Trek and trans issues like TERFs, has sided with the Luna Oi/EJ side of this drama, which is a shame since her video on how TERF ideology leads to fascist ideology was really good. A shame. But in regards to Radical Reviewer, totally glad he’s based, that video of him reviewing Atlas Shrugged (where Vaush did some voice over) was awesome.

[@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei]

RadicalReviewer seems to be the one person who's just good with everyone somehow. Or at least was good with everyone.

[@calebharris292]

@@Kuhmuhnistische_Partei rightfully, no one wants to yell at a dog for liking everyone

[@holdommi7505]

I try not to idolize content creators because I know that the parasocial stuff is really cringe and unhealthy, but god it has been really upsetting to see thought slime act like this. I had my leftist awakening during the start of the covid pandemic. and one of the first channels I found that converted me from my past enlightened centrist views to the socialist I am now was thought slime. I guess maybe I'm doing a good job of not falling into parasocial relationships because I'm not comfortable watching their content knowing that they act like this, so I guess thanks ts for helping me become a leftist, and thank you for helping me realize what parts of the left I never want to see myself be apart of.

[@KairoStark]

The important thing is to avoid falling on the same traps. TS, tankies, wokescolds and all their ilk focus their vitriol on specific groups of people instead of the system that allows those people to harm others: this creates a loop where an in-group is made where abuse and totalitarism is allowed against the "enemies" of said in-group, effectively creating the same thing they claim to dislike on the right. Not even psy-ops were this effective.

[@holdommi7505]

@@KairoStark I agree. It just seems like it's more useful to gently encourage leftism from moderates who might be a little edgy but otherwise not malicious than it is to push away anyone who doesn't fit into their super strict guidelines for what they think being a leftist is. While intent might not matter when measuring the harm being done from an action, it does change the way you should combat that problem, and if people like TS combat all instances of bigotry from mild and ignorant to severe and malicious with their same "wokescold" behavior, it's going to do the right more favors than it will for the left.

[@balazsstrausz2729]

its so refreshing to see vaush finally go off

[@cadelittle7365]

This extends beyond just being a vaush fan, anarcho syndicalism is largely hated by the tankie controlled online left, vaush hatred is simply a symptom of this as vaush is largely the concepts most popular proponent. We (anarcho syndicalists), pose a threat to tankies concept that secretly they’ll get to be the ones with the power and we question their blatant dogmatism. They take advantage of their online places of power (mostly being mods of leftist subs etc) to do just what their big papa Stalin did and purge all dissenting leftist thought that they can to try and supplant auth left ideaologies into all leftist spaces

[@RomanGoetia]

Well that and the lefties/tankies/RT, China, Assad subterfuge types who are all ass-mad about him saying that we should, in fact, not let a facist win by voting for Biden.

[@jimmyramos1989]

“We” lol sounds a bit larpy

[@cadelittle7365]

@@jimmyramos1989 I’m talking about vaush fans/anarcho syndicalists as a whole, a group of which I am a part of, it’s grammatically proper

[@jimmyramos1989]

@@cadelittle7365 was just joking friend

[@DatDude0925]

It’s amazing how many idiots think “voting for non fascist” is somehow an issue.

[@JH-fb3mp]

Every time I critique an argument that one of Vaush's opponents make, the angry replies aren't "here's why you're wrong", it's "u like Vaush 😡😡!!!"

[@JH-fb3mp]

@@Ass_of_Amalek link an example

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

@@JH-fb3mp 3 hrs later and nothing from the obvious plant. Wonder why lol

[@peachcobbler5852]

Man this video just hit the nail on the head. So often in left spaces if you even try to bring up Vaush's name it's all complete slander against you and when you ask for evidence or proof of wrongdoings it's just "well I've heard they're racist so you can't support them" and it's like please I'm begging you just show me the evidence if that's the case, if one of my favorite content creators is outed as a racist I would like to know. But they never actually have anything to say, just out of context clips and nothing else to back it up.

[@XxCorvette1xX]

My fav part is when presented with facts about how Vaush is a cringe imperialist American exceptionalist CIA Andy who argues against every non-american leftist, y’all just say it’s VDS and ignore

[@Quaquadaqu]

Vaush literally said CP should be legal and the age of consent should be 14. This guy is a creep and the fact that you’re a fan of him says a lot about you.

[@KZ-xt4hl]

@@Quaquadaqu Source ?

[@Quaquadaqu]

@@KZ-xt4hl there’s a vice article. Look it up. You can’t post links KZbin comment section.

[@KZ-xt4hl]

@@Quaquadaqu Oh you mean the article linking to a fucking tweet, a tweet that cuts up a discord convo where vaush was arguing that 16 year olds should be allowed sexual contact with eachother but not with adults ? a topic explained his views on several times on stream ? wow dude funny how every fucking time y'all have no argument and resort to pathetic tactics of cutting things out of context.

[@leem114]

I love you for showing you don’t have to be hypersensitive to care about social justice and that you can call out dumb ideas on the left without fearing how people are going to take it. Tired of the cry bullies and the scolds. That stuff is killing the left. Most people can’t stand that behavior so you end up with closed communities that reinforce toxicity. Keep fighting the good fight.

[@Blakbox92]

I'm really disappointed that ThoughtSlime acts like this, I watched some of their content before and it was pretty good, that Twitter behaviour is childish. BadEmpanada is the only Vaush detractor I've ever made a comment on the videos of, and even then it was just to point out that he was being deceptive to his viewers with that "alternate Twitter" garbage, no trolling, nothing rude, no "subhuman" this or "smooth brain" that. I don't see any value in harassing or trolling content creators or their fans.

[@Jackvonblood]

I've heard TS' videos are pretty good as well.

[@EPChanneled]

ThoughtSlime is aptly named because their thoughts are slime and gross

[@italucenaz]

BadEmpanada is actually one of the worst people out there, I remeber when he just told a trans person to kill themself in a DM just because they disagreed with him, he also constantly posts people's pfps in coments to say they're ugly, and this is for randos with less than 100 followers, not to mention the extensive and concerning harassment and spreading lies about Merrick, she had to block a lot of his accounts and he kept going into her dms, everything Vaush said about his mental state is true, trully unhinged individual

[@XxCorvette1xX]

@@italucenaz lol so basically Vaush behavior but it’s only bad when someone other than Vaush does it Least cringe Vaush fan 🙄

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@italucenaz wait Im sorry HE WHAT NOW WHAT WHEN WTF

[@1000dumplings]

One of these days I'm going to have to unironically say "vaushites are oppressed"

[@lurkingposter]

The most oppressed class next to gamers. 😔

[@shis1988]

@@lurkingposter difference is that gamers should remain oppressed. At least Gamers™️

[@fruitygarlic3601]

First they came for the Vaushites, and I said nothing because my tweets were deemed pure.

[@dildonius]

100% correct. Again, not long ago I (a Thought Slime fan) saw a Twitter thread in which Thought Slime was lamenting about how his channel analytics said he had the most audience cross-pollination with Vaush and basically said something like "If it shocks you to know that I hate Vaush, just know how much of an existential crisis it causes me that anyone who claims to be a fan of my channel would ever think I wouldn't hate Vaush" etc, and I responded to that last tweet by saying "Wait but you guys have like the exact same politics...whats the issue"? And literally less than 3 minutes later, the guy fucking blocked me without saying anything.

[@maybemablemaples2144]

I think TS goes by They/Them right?

[@redbubbles4742]

I actually saw that comment when it happened. I think a lot of the warpath that TS has been on since then is them losing their shit over this revelation. It has literally sent them into a tantrum spiral to realize Vaush fans make up the bread and butter of their income base. It must have been a huge ego blow.

[@dildonius]

@@redbubbles4742 Wait....are you saying that I possibly...broke Thought Slime? Or at inserted the straw what broke the camel's brain completely?! 😐........😯😲😱 *+69 EGO*

[@dildonius]

@@maybemablemaples2144 Iirc they don't care if you refer to him as "he/him" or refer to them as "they/them." Oh, and if you're suggesting that Thought.Slime actually just blocked me over pronouns, in my tweet Vaush was the one who I referred to as "him." I only referred to Thought Slime as "you." So unless TS has a hangup about the word "You" now, I don't think that was why.

[@redbubbles4742]

@@dildonius I think it was more them discovering that Thought Slime fans = Vaush Fans.

[@Dekubud]

Yikes, I thought they just had a bad case of white guilt, I didn't know they were like this. I'll unsubscribe to them and let them know why. As much as I want to support Canadian leftists, I don't want to support that type of disgusting behavior.

[@Kiss_My_Aspergers]

Ew, TS is Canadian? God, we just can't seem to stop putting out really cringy political figures, can we? Let me guess... Quebec?

[@weezersthebluealbum9479]

I just watch The Serfs and Heem for Canadian leftist content, Heem is a bit more of a centrist but is still pretty entertaining.

[@Neechiemoose102]

@@Kiss_My_Aspergers Nova Scotia lmao

[@Neechiemoose102]

My favorite channel is The Serfs. Lance is half Indigenous and does great coverage of the ongoing Canadian genocide, he's also hilarious.

[@Diogenes_ofSinope]

Tankies being the bullies and playing the victim sounds a lot like something fascists do. Now why would that be?

[@spaghettimon3851]

"Tankies" are true leftists and successful socialists that do revolution meanwhile you neo-liberals and socdems hope for a revolution on baseless reformism and you clowns love being bought off by the ruling class.

[@spaghettimon3851]

@@Genesis-of3ln My island did a socialist revolution and its called the Cuba revolution. ¡Viva la Revolución y Fidel! ¡Viva el Socialismo! 🇨🇺 ☭

[@Diogenes_ofSinope]

@@spaghettimon3851 This Logic can also be compared to the Nazis who did a violent revolution and killed millions of people. I'm from a former Soviet country and Trust me, you don't want to live in that System. Also, do you even understand the buzzwords you use? I don't think neo-liberal means what you think it means

[@Diogenes_ofSinope]

@@spaghettimon3851 true leftists my ass

[@spaghettimon3851]

@@Diogenes_ofSinope You first worldists are jealous and bitter that my island cuba did a socialist revolution while you clowns failed on your own revolutions in the imperial core, you social democrats believe aoc or bernie sanders are socialists? Continuing being played by the ruling class and still falling for the prapganda that the imperialist western media spoons feeds you! 😂😂😂

[@gabriellegoodwin4422]

I had to delete TikTok because I kept getting into debates with people who immediately resorted to insulting me and sending death threats. It’s a bit of a beta move (especially since these were only in comment sections, not actual videos I posted) but I know my limits and they’re very closely around my comfortable circle of self preservation. I admire that Vaush is stronger than that, but also I’d like to acknowledge that it’s okay if you’re not. Like really, it’s normal and you have every right to leave that situation.

[@artyom-ovsepyan]

That's not beta, that's just taking care about yourself and your health.

[@gabriellegoodwin4422]

Yeah it was said with irony But I appreciate it anyway, it’s easy to get stuck into cycles of insulting yourself :)

[@davidpaul6290]

23:20 Wow, turns out the cure to homosexuality was just having a beard. Congratulations H.Bomberguy!

[@AnarchyIsLove]

Holy shit I'm about to unsub from life, everyone needs to get the fuck off Twitter, that's 99% of the drama. I hate how everyone ironically calls Twitter a hellscape then insists on getting their goddamn 2 minutes' hate in and indulging in bullshit. Everyone says Twitter isn't the place to settle ideas because the character count cucks you yet all KZbin content from everyone is constantly alluding to Twitter drama and pissing each other off to no end.

[@ShimonYaqulu]

Twitter is fine. It depends who you follow. The TL algorithm is based on the tweets you like and follow. Just like KZbin.

[@emonte8148]

Actually true, there is literally no point to being on Twitter besides porn. Just leave the platform to the mentally ill, dramamongering leftists and let them vaguepost about their least favorite people for online clout. It's the only thing that gives their life meaning, and if they want to spend their time doing that, just leave them to it and go to find a better platform.

[@JukeboxTheGhoul]

you think no bitchy petty drama happened to irl socialist orgs before twitter? sorry to burst your bubble

[@blinski1]

@@ShimonYaqulu Twitter is usable only when 1) you're really hungry for the freshest news and you gotta know it before the rest 2) and when it comes to news about art, music, movies, tech etc. Politics: no no, never ever.

[@diddoinarow8846]

I'm glad I only use my Twitter account for NSFW stuff and with a different name

[@funnycat9962]

I've asked so many people why everyone seems to hate Vaush, and all I've heard was either lying or "he said the n-word," and like, yeah, he did a bad thing, but that doesn't warrant all this.

[@funnycat9962]

@@swastika6383 Neither, he did it as a power move while debating several neo-Nazis who clearly wanted to say it but were holding back for optics. Yes, that's still bad, but it was done to embarrass Neo-Nazis, not demean a black person.

[@Quaquadaqu]

He said kids can benefit from relationships with adults and the age of consent should be 14. Let’s not forget about that.

[@funnycat9962]

@@Quaquadaqu he said kids can theoretically benefit from a relationship with an adult while making an argument that we shouldn’t allow it on that basis because that’s incredibly rare if it even happens in reality at all. Did you watch the video or are you just here to leave hate comments?

[@scotthall5405]

Vaush: "I denounce pedophilia and here is my reason:..." Them: "OMFG YOU SAID SOMETHING I DISAGREE WITH EVEN IF YOU HOLD THE SAME POSITION THAT PEDOPHELIA IS WRONG OMFG CANCEL HIM NOW!!!"

[@bbqseitan7106]

I got banned from r/stuffliberalsay cuz I commented on a post saying “vaush isn’t that bad”

[@yandere8888]

dont worry, they banned me for being against stalin they're too far gone :/

[@spo97]

isnt "we've been harassed into silence about vaush" vaguely similar to republicans on a stage giving a speech on how we cant talk about this stuff

[@shis1988]

When has Vaush openly promoted that POC deserve no rights?

[@melaniey.5596]

And I mean even aren’t doing vague gestures like Republicans do. People are literally saying that they have been banned from reddit pages and discord for being neutral about Vaush. Never mind defending him...

[@dragonborn3609]

3:09 I relate to this so goddamn well as I knew someone that was every word you described on how they acted to me. I knew someone in real life who hate watched Vaush and she would everyday question why I watched him and make me defend him all the time for fun she even said out of context clips don't matter as Vaush is bad either way. Not only was she a Twitter brained wokescold but she would emotionally manipulate me whenever I criticize her or try to use "men have systematic power so it's alright to be sexist against men" argument. She knew a lot about theory of leftism but she never seemed to try to apply those left leaning thoughts to real life. Not only that but the people she was around who were wokescolds would always excuse the bad things she did because of her politics of being left leaning.

[@melaniey.5596]

Another example of what happens when you don’t have a moral system to back your ideology...

[@TheKarret]

smdh that fucking sucks; I'm sorry you had an encounter with someone like that.

[@KoolMutualAids]

Glad Vaush can at least admit the discord is absolute garbage.

[@FloppaFag]

I was banned after like an hour for saying Albania isn't real lol

[@dumpydapillow8519]

Nah, I'd say it's cool.

[@KoolMutualAids]

@@dumpydapillow8519 you a mod there?

[@dumpydapillow8519]

@@KoolMutualAids No.

[@finngardiner5358]

I like the meme channel there, it's edgy without being constantly bigoted, and fun convos happen in the queer channel too

[@OGEdger]

Dude...I was having a "discussion" with a transphobe here on KZbin a few weeks ago so I linked them the Vaush video about the BBC TERF article. And apparently, because it was _Vaush,_ my "credibility" went out the window. XD

[@italucenaz]

Good that transphobes fears him

[@DemonofHell48]

I wonder how many of the people who harass and shit talk Vaush also approved of Lindsay Ellis being harassed to the point of quitting YouTubing.

[@matthewdove5528]

She didn't just quit youtube! She left the internet entirely!

[@Vaegarion]

This was the final straw for me. I wasn't upto date with all the disingenuous doings of Thought Slime. Which is funny because I found Vaush through Thought Slime. I unsubbed from them today, Thought Slime is cringe and Vaush Rad.

[@MDoorpsy]

Same. I can find better people that make similar content. Probably in a better way too.

[@catboynestormakhno2694]

whats even weirder is that the TS and vaush video demographic are basically the same people, but TS is just such a huge shithead

[@RadicalReviewer]

Oh hey my tweet got a shout out, hahaha dope.

[@flesforpower]

Looking through her Twitter, you're not the only one her followers threaten death too. She occasionally tells them they shouldn't kill people though. Like she needs to check herself

[@zen_tewmbs]

I just think Luna needs to really think about the community she is cultivating. Just really think about it. She just needs to think about it, just REALLY think.

[@Harsh-mg2em]

I was in an FB Hbomberguy group and when it was small it was all cool and chill, then it got bigger and people like that took it over. When you see so much information like this from people inside a community you should be able to trust to impacts you and I left when these bullies decided that you shouldn't vote for Biden. They would just point out the shitty things Biden did which nobody denies, the point was he was running against Trump. After quitting I slowly started to realise that a lot of these people are in a bad place in life and have mental issues they need addressed.

[@Mephmt]

Man... I liked TS... I really really liked his videos. But it wasn't Vaush that pushed me away from TS, it was TS who pushed me away. :(

[@Sgublaka94]

Like, Vaush isn’t perfect and people hating him have good takes. But Deer Dog, how stupid can those people be..?

[@aquras32]

Don't tempt them...

[@guycd1]

I don't harass other streamers because that would mean I'd need to click on their videos or engage with them on twitter. FUCK THAT.

[@LimeyLassen]

Sometimes I check out the channels of the people Vaush debates but I sure as hell don't leave comments on them. I know a hornet's nest when I see one.

[@dckhead8429]

chad/stacy/chasy behavior 🤧🌟

[@kanazawanisundeimasu6211]

I'mma be honest, I used to love mildred's content and I actually found him before vaush and Xanderhal, but I can't really watch his stuff anymore after seeing his abusive tendencies and inability to admit to wrongdoing.

[@charliekahn4205]

I find them a bit too authoritarian for my tastes, but I do have to admit that their videos are very well-edited. It's not that I don't agree with them in certain points (left-right spectrum only); I just really don't like authoritarians.

[@AlasKenn1]

Ya'know, there's something very vindicating about how much they have to lie, omit, or purposefully take out of context to get an up on you Vaush, keep making them mald.

[@hobosorcerer]

If I'm bigoted for wanting Vaush to prove his sexuality by dominating me, then so be it ;^)

[@jeremy7161]

Lmao @ people with furry hammer and sickle avatars talking about "the rope"

[@PyckledNyk]

I actively avoid creators like Thought Slime because of their hypocritical stance on morality. Vaush has his flaws, but he’s always been 100% foreword about what he believes. I think these people like Thought Slime are just too emotional to see past their own feelings.

[@CervantesVI]

"This clip does indeed take Vaush out of context, but the context makes what he is saying far worse." If that were true... Why didn't they show the context? Wouldn't that have made the point of the clip stronger? "Benign clip chimping" isn't a thing that people do.

[@zacharyknutsen8094]

Thank you for your work. Us degenerates of the internet don’t deserve it.

[@competingcoot4756]

I pretty much became a subscriber to Vaush after watching his deconstruction of Jimmy Dore during the Dore/TYT drama going on when Dore made sexually-inappropriate comments to Ana Kasparian when she was supposedly wearing a short dress. Before watching Vaush, I was only an avid viewer of Kyle Kulinski but I was hit like a train when suddenly this drama just popped up out of nowhere and Kyle felt like he had to do two segments on it clarifying his position. I've always respected him for his brash honesty and principles, but I felt like I wasn't getting the full picture here, especially when Dore fans were swarming Kyle's two videos demanding loyalty to Jimmy (even though Kyle said that he mostly agreed with Jimmy). Vaush provided the clarity that made this whole situation make sense. Jimmy Dore uses leftist language to push people into conservative conclusions by constantly attacking the Democrats. Whatever Dore's ideology may be, his viewer-base is remarkably conservative. This would explain the sudden swarm of idiots that invaded Kyle's channel. Now I realize that anti-elitism and criticism of liberalism or the Democratic Party Establishment alone doesn't necessarily mean that the ones employing this type of rhetoric are leftists. Anti-intellectualism isn't leftist. Dogmatism isn't leftist. Communist/LGBT+ aesthetics isn't leftist. Solidarity in improving our collective material well-being and recognizing our shared vulnerabilities in life is leftism. As the late Michael Brooks have put it before - the "online left's" focus on deplatforming has destroyed our ability to organize. We need to be more aware of toxic people who use leftist theory/rhetoric to push conservative conclusions or for their own destructive, unhealthy motives. Toxic people like the ones that keep disingenuously attacking Vaush - who, by the way, is a queer neurodivergent socialist - are not valuable to the movement and should be encouraged to improve their mental states/capacities or GTFO. *salutes* Oh, captain, my captain.

[@Alkezo1]

To be fair, Kyle and Jimmy Dore has always shared a lot of viewers. Now, with the rift Jimmy Dore has created, you're starting to see the ideological differences between the two communities. I still regularly debate accelerationists in Kyle's comment sections because unfortunately, Kulinski has been a bit irresponsible with some of his language when it comes to political efficacy. So you see a lot of people who refuse to vote Democrat even though they are supposedly left-leaning.

[@competingcoot4756]

@@Alkezo1 Agreed. Kyle is great at moving centrists or right-wingers towards the left but his analysis/strategy can be pretty lackluster compared to Vowsh. I think the anti-vaxxers that I see in his comment section is pretty cringe, ngl. At this point, I listen to Vaush more intently than what Kyle has to say because: a) I already know what Kyle's gonna say. b) Voosh has a level of analysis that I find to be very salient and rhetorically-effective. I learned talking points from Kyle but I feel like I'm learning how to be a better, strategic leftist from Vaush. Kyle argues from principle but my arguments can go on the offense when I learn how Vowsh argues from utilitarianism. Very enlightening stuff.

[@Alkezo1]

@@competingcoot4756 I completely agree. Kyle is great at pulling right-leaning people into what I would call "baby leftism". Not that its inherently bad, but I don't think its the end result in most people's journey into leftism. I watched Kyle for years before stumbling upon Vaush, who I now watch more frequently than Kyle. I just think Vaush's political beliefs are better for the world than Kyle's. Kyle is still a force for good, I'd say, though.

[@bruhmoment1936]

for a good chunk of the video, I just had one thought in my head: they wouldn't do this (mainly the pdf file shit) as hard if he "looked" gay/pan. I just about lost my mind when that tweet towards the end proved me right... I think it's crystal clear that these people only care about IDPOL when it 1) benefits them and/or 2) is "obvious". they've just done a 360 back to the ideologies their parents probably still have about their own "hidden identities". I'm certain a good amount of them have heard "you don't look gay/trans/etc" by people in their lives. how many of those bi/pan people have been told to "prove their sexuality" before? it's disappointing that they aren't able to sort through their internalized bigotry before using the same dogma.

[@authorindisguise5173]

Just once, I'll comment on my main account. I like Vaush, and I totally care who knows it.

[@falloutsheppy8823]

It's okay Vaush, people try to say I'm a cis dude who can't grow a beard despite many high school photos showing I'm indeed trans XD when people are mad at you for your position and they're that deep in digging their feet in, all you can do as laugh at the straws they grasp.

[@XMysticHerox]

Well yeah. When your conception of "left wing" is one of social aesthetics based around certain minority groups and behaviours you can't really accept someone from one of those groups not fitting in.

[@jdprettynails]

Honestly, I went off Non-Compete when he tried to guilt-trip me when I pointed out that it's not always safe for everyone to unionise. (Of course unions are a good thing, I was trying to add nuance to the discussion based on what I went through...which was ultimately dismissed)

[@Grace-tg4oy]

I forgot about Xan's cult, which is a weird thing to say, but it's like, oh yeah the cult.

[@linaiisaye8357]

I was on your sub today and someone mentioned that we should be talking about real life issues, not saying Harassment isn't a real life issue ofc. I think that's the strategy we should go with though. Whenever they say any of these lies about you, we all just spam them with leftist, democratic and progressive issues. Asking them why they are focusing their time on spreading lies and not on any of those issues. Links to a rise in fascism as well. We can destroy them with the high ground and spread awareness.

[@Quaquadaqu]

Don’t let Vaush or any of his fans meet kids in real life. Lol!

[@Kiss_My_Aspergers]

@@Quaquadaqu Dude... sauce or gtfo. You're just coming off as obsessed and unhinged.

[@PROLETOPIA]

Greetings from a European creator who's experiencing the same thing. You're right with everything, keep it up! ❤

[@Kassey194]

Take what I say with a grain of salt but I do watch many of Luna's streams and at one point she mentioned that she is capable of speaking non-broken straight English without a heavy accent, I am not 100% sure if she demonstrated that on stream or if this is just a false memory but regardless. She said that she chooses to have a heavy accent because it is her accent and she likes it or something which is fair, no judgement. I do however find it troubling when she uses that heavy accent as a way to dodge criticism. Luna certainly knows English, that's all I can say.

[@OneEyeShadow]

A heavy accent does not imply lack of skill in a language. Interestingly enough, a lack of accent also doesn't imply proficiency in a language.

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

My thought is this: -She understands English well enough to know how to clip someone maliciously -I've never had a problem understanding anything she's said, and I usually have a ton of issues with accents, even some US ones -she has access to a native English apeaking American-Vietnamese immigrant -she's a grown ass woman and can be held accountable for the things she does and enables. Holy shit these fuckers need to stop infantilizing this woman Conclusion: she speaks English just fine, and is saying what she says intentionally.

[@DevinMacGregor]

As a person who speaks fast, probably faster than Shabibo, I can tell you that a lot of people will blow you off because they do not hear certain words or hear them differently. Some will be mean, some will be completely assholes etc. It does not sound fast in my head. I hear every word. This is in part why I do not make videos and the written word works best for me. I have to really control my speech and it sounds SOOOOO slow in my head when I do it. I have been around a lot of Asians and they tend to talk fast in their native tongue but do not slow down when they speak English. IF you have a thick accent then you should slow down your speech so you can enunciate the words better. A lot of Vietnamese to me sound like they are deaf when they speak English. It sounds like some letters are just not pronounced to some syllables being missed. I have met a lot of Asians who as well speak English almost perfectly. I call myself bilingual. I speak English and Bad English.

[@KairoStark]

It wouldnt surprise me. The broken english and the accent gives her another layer of protection. "Look at that meanie Vaounch (bad), he's being abusive towards this woman that is part of a minority and is just trying to explain us how the real left exists outside America, truly Vuchs is a racist, a sexist, and of course a transphobic p*do"

[@shis1988]

"I'm ESL, didn't know what 'gallows' means!" I'm ESL, Luna and I do know what "gallows" means. In fact I have known for over a decade.