Full Analysis of the Halo CE Beta (1749): Campaign and Multiplayer

[@gamecheat13]

Fantastic job homie, no one does these analyses better than you.

[@sergeantmarcusstackerM1903]

dUDe WhErE hAvE yOu BeEn ItS bEeN tHiRtY yEaRs SiNcE yOuR lAsT uPlOaD¿

[@TheVengefulVadam]

Thanks, King

[@Glacieux]

Hi Gamecheat! Good seeing you here!

[@elelyon1137]

When r u gon do more ai battles

[@thatsaysalotabout-man9547]

I see 2 legends here

[@penguin714]

everyone gangster until you hear the grunts speak like chipmunks

[@Brendan-Fraser]

*”THE SARGE IS WASTED. LET’S GO!”*

[@ProsecutorValentine]

French dub has chipmunks by default in retail oddly enough.

[@BungieStudios]

Yee

[@vik.6103]

​@@ProsecutorValentineitalian dub too

[@thedaltoid0266]

It's sad hearing the beta grunts vs flamethrower

[@KnoxCarbon]

The fact that Bungie was able to polish the game in such a short amount of time speaks volumes about the passion and talent of the dev team. It also goes to show Microsoft was saddling their devs with bullshit deadlines even back then.

[@revolutionstudios5052]

Bungie was given 10 months. 5 months in, they realized that the multiplayer didn’t feel fun. SO THEY RESTARTED!

[@OwenGee22]

If you watch Noodles interview with Marty he says that some of the Crunch was creative Crunch so about a month before shipping they go "maybe i can add this, or this or this" and next thing they know they wake up at their desk the next day.

[@revolutionstudios5052]

@@OwenGee22 "...guh... what happened last night? Did I get knocked out? Oh. I'm still in the office. Halo's open, that's weird. Might as well check it ou- HOLY SHIT, I MADE THAT?"

[@ichoffski4707]

The game's development started in late 1997, they were just incompetent.

[@mrpiratefox4497]

@@ichoffski4707 wrong. Halo CE, the FPS game, wasnt even a concept up until 2000, as even in 1999 when the macworld demo happened, it was still a TPS

[@slackingstacker]

59:47 T-posing Keyes with the marine dying just off-screen is cursed af

[@slackingstacker]

@Jacob Benderson Captain Keyes became too powerful, they couldn't contain him

[@SockyNoob]

I was dying of laughter at that part lol.

[@EdrianPelicano-h4z]

T pose Is asserting it's dominance

[@ebr8308]

First off I want to say Thank You! As a huge CE fan, this video is like the holy grail of behind the scenes info and I really appreciate it. This video must've been incredibly time consuming to record, voice over and edit. You did an OUTSTANDING job. Give yourself a pat on the back, you deserve it :)

[@TheVengefulVadam]

This was a 3 month endeavor, juggling my work schedules, my og xbox's hard drive dying, and needing to re-record certain audio lines and video clips due to bad takes/corruption, respectively. I'm tapped out @.@ lmao thanks!

[@protocetid]

you can find additional info on TCRF and Halopedia if you havent been to those already

[@Fredman5551]

@@TheVengefulVadam take a long well deserved break. This video was fucking phenomenal and answered questions I didn't think I'd ever get the answer to, as well as questions I didn't know i had.

[@v3ck1n]

The holy grail of Combat Evolved development would be some of the earliest builds on an alpha Xbox tower or even one of the RTS builds while they were still developing for the Macintosh computer

[@protocetid]

@@v3ck1n Wonder if Microsoft will ever be convinced to share them, supposedly 343 was close to including the E3 03 Halo 2 prototype in the MCC.

[@StuffyJunk]

lol that ending Truth & Rec cutscene reminds me of a bit from an old newgrounds cartoon where Keyes had no idea how to fly the thing and just started crashing into shit

[@cyqry]

"Hey look, it even comes with complimentary bottles of alcohol!" "Sir are you sure you should be drinking and flying?" *crash*

[@TheSoulreaper6000]

What is that called lol. I faintly remember that

[@cyqry]

@@TheSoulreaper6000 I wish I knew, its lost to time now!

[@StuffyJunk]

@@TheSoulreaper6000 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qne2mZ-OiaqVsMk

[@gytax01]

I remembered those stupid parodies like a week ago and watched them again, then I was a kid, really liked that crap, even though humor was retarded.

[@kabob0077]

0:57 Hearing a Hunter say "friendly fire, friendly fire." as if its allies were throwing pebbles at it is certainly... _Interesting._ In fact, they sound sort of like an Astartes to me...

[@lord_razur]

Hell put some helmet filters on it and boom, Space Marine

[@MrMercuryW]

They are the inspiration for Brute and Halo 5 Elite voices

[@ultrascarlet5275]

I've been waiting for this for 1749 days

[@JasonEllsworth-ns5vt]

Nah 1749 years

[@mrpiratefox4497]

Man having the correct aspect ratio really changes the visuals

[@joshuadarrow]

18:39 “Joe’s cool ass cinematic”

[@JtGorski00]

“You could say this cave is not a natur...” THAT LINE HAD ME DYING!! 🤣🤣🤣 1:40:45

[@pxm2337]

It cool seeing all the differences in 343 GS is so cool. You can just imagine a dev going “yeah this is cool, but wouldn’t it be even creepier if we did this?”

[@l9m241]

With how Echo 419 said about responding to chief despite Chief not actually speaking, you are correct the lines are actually still in the current script file in the final game, just commented out. "Pilot: What's going on down there? I'm tracking movement all over the place!" You are correct with how Echo 419 acted like Chief spoke to her, what Chief would've said: "Chief: I need extraction, I'll explain later." In Keys, There's also another line for both cortana and chief. Judging by the script this is before you jump into the hole at the beginning of the mission, but it would've played right before Cortana says "Warning! Threat level increasing!" but after the "The hole was caused by an explosion" line. "Cortana: There's so many I can't track them all!" "Chief: You have no idea." There's even a line for chief which makes him sound hesitant after waiting after a few lines from cortana: "Chief: Are you sure that pool is deep enough?" That all I could find from the script files. Though idk if 1749 script files had more lines commented out.

[@stevenvgs]

The "i'm reading thousands of types of flora" cortana line is still in the final game! You just have to wait for cortana to say recommend you to move up to the hills. then follow the smoking trail where the life pod crashed until you are near the river.

[@caramelldansen2204]

21:41 My brother in christ, he mentioned that the line appears in retail; it's the line _after_ that he was demonstrating.

[@Magplar]

The fact that this is as long as a movie is insane. The amount of work and effort you put into bringing us this long lost part of Halo really shows! Awesome video, thanks so much!

[@myfunbox355]

50:29 The Hunters actually spawn in retail, but only in Heroic and Legendary.

[@TheVengefulVadam]

Ah, rip :p

[@jordancollings2889]

I looked for this comment. They do indeed spawn but I didn't even realize that it was difficulty based?

[@cstick2664]

39:00 “Wait, the controls don’t work?” “Never have...”

[@bullotfilms]

At 1:00:23 where you mention the playback scene and the marine model disappearing randomly. Joseph Staten mentions in the halo CE playthrough with Marty that the reason the final playback cuts to the left is actually because they couldnt figure out why the marine disppears. Therefore they just moved the camera to the left so the player couldnt see it I just checked. If you look up "Halo CE Developer Commentary Remastered [4K 60fps]" and go to 30:06 its the same scene and he mentions the pop in. At 29:11 he mentions jerking away the camera during some of the playback to hide the pop in. So essentially a lot of the camera movements in the playback were due to hiding pop in! Also....these commentaries and deep dives on the halo are such comfort food. Great info and great videos! Good stuff!

[@Milesamanjaro]

18:38: 'joe's cool ass cinematic' It certainly was! 👏

[@majorassentinel2187]

Calm Voice.exe starts

[@Dizzyfatpigeon]

I am truly in awe, how any of the games from the pre-online era (6th gen backwards) ever shipped in a playable state; No Day One Patches, No Hotfixes, if you had a serious bug, you were screwed. Its unreal to think they managed to find, let alone fix this many potentially game breaking bugs just two short months before release. I guess play testing and debugging was much more serious back then. Beautiful Analysis btw!

[@SiphonRayzar]

I'd say, that the reliance on online patching has led to a massive degradation in actual quality bug testing within the AAA industry, since they can now fall back behind the "Oh, it'll get better with the next batch, honest" bullshit excuse.

[@aggserp4340]

To be fair, I think games go down to the wire a lot more now than they did back then. Take Cyberpunk for example, we're like 2 weeks from ship and still have no videos of the game running on consoles (and really not a lot of gameplay footage at all).

[@GSG-io8zp]

@@aggserp4340 We have plenty of it running on PS4 pro and Xbox one X?

[@GSG-io8zp]

@@aggserp4340 And there’s a lot of gameplay footage? Not saying your point is wrong; just pointing out factual inaccuracies.

[@aggserp4340]

@@GSG-io8zp My apologies, what I meant was that there is no footage of it running on the original last-gen consoles. Halo by comparison was shown on E3 2001, and while it was recognizable it was visibly unpolished and didn't run very well.

[@KnoxCarbon]

The cut "Keep moving" line from Keyes appears verbatim early on in the game Oni, also by Bungie, in which Pete Stacker voices the character Commander Griffin. Like, it's not Pete Stacker saying a line he already said in another game, it's the exact same clip.

[@RaZeXzZz]

I wonder if that is where bungie decided to name office of naval intelligence (O.N.I) from. Not unlike them to reference their games in other games, Destiny in ODST

[@Pat4ever.]

@@RaZeXzZz you realize the Office of Naval Intelligence is a real thing, right?

[@gafrers]

Absolutely stunning work. I cannot even imagine the tens of hours spent on the whole project.

[@TheVengefulVadam]

This was a well-over 3 month endeavor lmao, thank you so much! 😊

[@gafrers]

@@TheVengefulVadam Hundreds of hours then.

[@EskCan44]

50:36 I believe those 2 hunters do spawn on Heroic / Legendary on retail. I vividly remember sniping them from above at the siege of madrigal spot.

[@halodoggo]

We’re surrounded! The single flood infection form:

[@Shydood]

I wish they kept that melee sound for the Spartans, that would of been hilarious. 1:29:41

[@Mikemic2218]

B O N K

[@SockyNoob]

Ikr. *BOINK*

[@donavan2517]

I’ve been playing and studying Halo CE sense 2003, trying to find every little detail and quirk. This series is pure gold, man. Thanks for everything you do.

[@shaheer1172]

You should also cehck out @why video. He did a video on the evolution halo ce fron rts game to a fps game

[@neocaron87]

My mind cannot comprehend how in less than 3 months they went from this to the final game. The devs probably didn't sleep more than 5 hours , working 7 days a week for 90 days... It's crazy. The 2 videos you did are awesome by the way, this is forever preserved in game history thanks to you!

[@Omega4Productions]

55:07. I actually found it recently that the marine biped isn’t actually Mendoza, it’s Jenkins. Hence why they’re unarmed because Jenkins doesn’t carry a weapon in the cutscene. If you select the biped in Sapien, it’s named “jenkins”.

[@Piškotalol]

Yeah just found out after mcc released the tools. Idk why its not an armored marine like in anniversary graphics.....

[@NavyBluePersonGuy]

The quality of these videos is insane. Over an hour of chill, satisfying information from a halo fan🙏🏼

[@jamal3298]

Whichever dev put a rocket flood in that tight corridor should've been arrested

[@DJEchoPetro]

I keep coming back to these Halo CE Beta videos of yours every few months since release and it never ceases to amaze me how much effort went into analyzing and showcasing the various differences when comparing this beta to the final build. It is an absolute treat to see such great content and your personal commitment in the creation of the vids is greatly appreciated and deserves many thanks. Keep up the fantastic work dude!

[@thomcolmer6564]

This was easily your best video! So much NEW info about a game I’ve been playing for 20 years! Was very interested in the jackals and Hunters voices and the cut content. I thought it was interesting that all the elite majors were wearing red zealot armor.

[@ThiefOfBaghdad]

*Captain, you haven't flown a small craft since the Academy!* *Do i look like a cadet?!?!*

[@JtGorski00]

Also, THANK YOU for including the secret shrine on Boarding Action. I was literally hoping that you would talk about it… And then you did! I loved this video from stem to stern! So good! 🤩

[@oneonner1321]

So it seems like for the Anniversary edition of Halo CE, they just reuse the subtitles that show up in the debug mode here. It would explain why the subtitles in Anniversary don't line up to the actual dialogue.

[@XTeMe_dEw1453]

but it can be kind of weird seeing words that characters don't say though.

[@CFunk99]

"Hey, we *didi* it! We're right behind you, Chief!"

[@KRawatXP2003]

52:05 yeah chief let's stay focused.

[@Loki-]

Thanks for giving us the most detailed patch notes for full release of Halo CE

[@ugoboom]

Well done man, this vid was worth the wait. so many interesting tidbits It's insane how unpolished and incomplete this build is, i'm amazed they got the retail product fixed up as well as they did, what, 3 months from release but more like only 2.5 months away from going gold? what a crunch. If only one day we get an even earlier build and take a look at an even earlier multiplayer and that damn reach-damnation

[@LeadingMole058]

I think cortana’s line about controls on the second floor being a left over from when bungie wrote her to be British.

[@GingerNingerGames]

That makes a lot of sense actually

[@JIGgameoverSAW]

1:40:50 i love how you skipped your own Natural formation quote XDDD You spend so much time in comparing the Beta with the final release! I loved watching this! :D :D

[@JackJonValois]

Cool how cortana actually acknowledges she knew master chief would bounce around the pod and kill all the marines and keyes was just like "fuck it".

[@crashbash8549]

I thought the reason they died was because of the impact

[@JackJonValois]

I did too until I read the book, notice all the other pods marines survived the impact for the most part

[@crashbash8549]

@@JackJonValois That's odd that cortana says "the others, the impact, there's nothing we can do"

[@JackJonValois]

@@crashbash8549 I feel like they took it out and just left it in the book because it was too violent

[@lucamckenn5932]

​@@JackJonValois I mean, it'd be like a bunch of Imperial Guard crammed in a tin can with an Astartes. translation: dozen meatbags stuck in a clown car with a walking fucking mega tank.

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

CE is my favorite Halo game so thanks so much for making this. I really hope you can get the previous versions of CE too like the 3rd person Macworld ones.

[@lucamckenn5932]

That is either hidden in someone's desk tucked away in storage at old Bungie hq, or is gone forever. Such is the way of lost media. What we're looking at in this video may be a case of the previously mentioned, since it could've come out anytime after Halo release honestly.

[@jordanfoster2955]

51:53 "chief my eyes are up here"

[@TheJayson8899]

35:30 The WHAT? I had no idea there was camo there after all these years.

[@leegofilms]

Wow, Bungie really used a lot of elite zealot encounters in early builds.

[@protocetid]

guess you could say they were ehem zealous in their usage

[@Slakkmichael]

50:40 Actually, the hunters do show up in the final game. Just on heroic and legendary. (I don't think they show up on normal.)

[@TheVengefulVadam]

Whoops lol

[@ThereIsAShmungus]

Oh normal I think they appear on the mission Halo and Truth and Reconciliation

[@Weesee_I]

@@ThereIsAShmungus Super old, but they appear in co-op on normal, and I think even on easy. In solo, they don't appear.

[@ryguyh6625]

Dude the amount of work you put in this video is insane! Good job dude👌

[@protocetid]

Thanks for doing this, was cool seeing all the differences and it was surprisingly funny at times.

[@Matt-md5yt]

cool all most a 2 hr special, I think it's great to hear the pre-reversal voice acting that we gotten in the beta. I would love to have them in a game as a voice mod.

[@MartynMW]

Some good quality content. Cheers for slugging through and making this, was very interesting !

[@holyarch-kek9451]

Not gonna lie, I'm really glad they cut that really weird comedic section with Keyes trying to fly the Spirit. It just comes off as super goofy.

[@kfcfryer8168]

That FOV actually isn’t bad. Kind of wish they would have kept it for retail. Or at least around 90-100. Nice video! It’s really awesome to see people still talking about this amazing game, 19 years later. 😎👌

[@ThisBirdHasFlown]

Had a blast watching this mate. Incredibly interesting. I really hope there are more beta versions of other games that have come out or will.

[@MxArgent]

15:51: Cap'n Keyes gets a look at his future and he does not like what he sees

[@Pacho18]

Great documentary. Internet Historian Archive will be greatful for this analysis. "Know where you come from, and you will know where you could Reach."

[@theta_clips]

59:51 The real reason we never see the proto gravemind is because Keyes asserted dominance on the flood so hard they couldnt infect him

[@lucamckenn5932]

the feels when they finally over powered the last of him... feels bad, man. That is why I love Gravemind as a character though; infinite, undying attrition hellbent on destruction for the sake of an unnatural and ceaseless hunger.

[@cptblargington7556]

A part 2 definitely worth waiting for. As someone who doesn’t do anything with modding aside from playing mods, this analysis was amazing! Really shows how much work bungie had to do in those last two months.

[@LiftMasterDC-6]

26:00 the worried marine saying be quiet, might be early flood foreshadowing rather than invisible elites, he does refer to them as monsters and cortana says she can't sense any covenant forces

[@Omega4Productions]

She couldn't detect any Covenant forces on the TaR either, right before a stealth Elite with a sword enters the bay. This line could have been foreshadowing that.

[@lordmartinofleithandcuddy6541]

‘Another voice actor’? That marine is Chipps Dubbo, sir.

[@sergeantmarcusstackerM1903]

Previous fella sounds like Mendoza, then suddenly Jenkins

[@pwarrington3306]

It's so weird to think that if they had left the original voice actor in, it wouldn't have stood out as much and Chips wouldn't be in the lore :/

[@Mcree114]

The Chief's third person animation when exiting the cryopod is how I look getting up very early in the morning for work.

[@lukabrasi001]

why is this funny

[@dangr3957]

You just made Halo History with this super detailed video! Congratulations!!!😊👌

[@ArthurHuizar]

This is such great quarantine content. Thank you.

[@soundlesspeal]

i just watched almost two hours of halo CE pre-release patchnotes great video

[@TheJayson8899]

I'm glad that almost all of the cut lines were cut, but I still wish there were some more interchanges in the game with Cortana talking and stuff to them. The invisible monsters line would've been great on a later level.

[@Pudding_P]

a nearly 2 hour video about an early build of Halo CE from someone i enjoy to watch? Vadam you graceful king.

[@MindedMeister2]

Seeing all of this is amazing to me after all these years. They did a good job capturing the mysterious feel of the Installation, even in it's beta stages. Thank you for the work of analysing all of this.

[@protocetid]

28:21 “don’t let him in Foe Hammer, he keeps betraying us”

[@AssassinsCreedHalo]

Impressive work, you tried your best not to (and not to make us) miss any detail, analysing the game files as well, making references to the most common glitches and bugs, comparing the 1749 version with the final version of the game. Respect!

[@TheGamingLegend-be9ey]

"you win and there was much rejoycing"

[@lordmartinofleithandcuddy6541]

Finally! My life is complete. After watching this video, I can now die contented! Goodbye everybody... see you after the Great Journey.

[@protocetid]

Halo prototypes leading to the Great Journey confirmed. We must travel to our mecca, Microsoft's headquarters, and demand the rest of our holy artifacts!

[@Turtle3000]

In Count Dooku voice, "I've been looking forward to this."

[@DMMDestroyer]

One of the most underrated videos about Halo on KZbin. Thank you for so much detail.

[@siphillis]

I cannot believe how much progress they made in the final two months

[@zerojcm4393]

Finally the Halo CE nostalgia we’ve all been waiting for😎

[@sabre0smile]

This is such a good set of videos. Thank you so much for putting this much work in, man! it's a fascinating watch!

[@mercenaryTendencies]

Interestingly, there are several spots in the MCC, where the subtitles still use the extended lines that were curtailed for release, particularly Echo 419's line at the start of 343 Guilty Spark and the longer 'scrambled the inside' line

[@simsargamand7691]

That thing with the pelican wings is exactly what the pelicans in Halo 5 do. It's amazing that H5 had bugs from Halo CE

[@DarakuuDev]

21:50 I'm pretty sude that line of dialog is in the final game, I think you have to linger for a lot of time by the waterfall (after dealing with the dropships & banshees). It might be the Mandela effect, but I'm sure that I've heard it in my dubbed language as a kid (I'm Italian)

[@m31animehunter25]

YES! I've bien waiting for this. My meal will be legendary!

[@ThiefOfBaghdad]

thank you Vadam, you have done well my brother! was definitely worth the wait

[@destronlaserwave9566]

Always good to see a new beta video. Keep doing what you're good at man, and I can't wait to see more videos like this! Also the Jackals and Hunters speaking is so... weird. Especially the Jackals.

[@pretzelboi420]

I believe the hunters on the natural bridge at the end of the control room do spawn in retail, I swear I've fought them there before. Still, amazing video! I love seeing the history of games like this, especially since CE is one of my favorites.

[@DaviDeXtA]

An amazing video, I can see a lot of work went into this. I’ve been playing Halo CE since 2002 and spent countless hours playing campaign. It’s stuff like this that I live for, always wanted to know what was behind that door or what would happen if I could spawn a banshee.

[@jdps7754]

Love these videos, It’s always satisfying hearing about how a game was during development

[@Born...]

Great video bro! Almost 2 hours of halo goodness

[@TapathyWR]

Found a small error. The two Hunters behind the blast door on Truth and Rec actually do spawn on normal in the final, but only if you lose your marines in the stealth elite encounter. Otherwise, the game spawns a jackal squad.

[@Increda-bad]

Thank you, i knew it was possible for that to happen but I wasn't sure how, cause i know for sure i fought hunters there when i was a kid and when i was a kid i only played on normal

[@brandonschwertley2723]

Excellent, thorough analysis, with some really interesting information. They had a lot of work to do in that three month span, this game is definitely not up to the same level as the final build. I do kind of wish they had kept those 2 dark hallways, and added some kind of encounter there. Either flood, invis elites, or perhaps even invis flood, would have been a memorable encounter. And thank god they got rid of that rocket flood in the service tunnel, that would have been frustrating to say the least.

[@TheJayson8899]

The audio design is really good in this. The environmental effects and everything are great. It even sounds better than Anniversary, since Anniversary is missing the effects of the original Xbox version.

[@InvadeleYogurt]

Loved it, finally part two is put.

[@jayceneal5273]

I hope whoever leaked this build can get their hands on some of the older builds. I would LOVE to get my hands on the 99 or 00 builds of the game

[@lucamckenn5932]

according to a lot of people I've seen say this on multiple comment sections, Halo third person shooter/rts may have been completely scraped. This is pure hearsay, but as far as lost media goes anything is possible. At the bottom of an old desk, in storage, in bungies previous hq, that mythical alpha build may exist. I know for a fact they had functioning gameplay, you can find videos for them.

[@jayceneal5273]

@@lucamckenn5932 I doubt it's completely gone. They showed off the E3 halo 2 build just a few years ago, it's likely they have everything archived. I doubt it'll ever get released but there's nothing to suggest they lost or trashed them

[@Mr.Meme01]

This is amazing dude, great job and this is fantastic from a histological viewpoint

[@Lufffloof]

Thank you brother. This analysis was super good. Watched part 1 a few mins ago & instantly tried finding part 2. Glad to see it was 11 months ago so it means you've definitely made it i just had to find it 😂

[@ToyAdventures]

“Baby wake up ! Vadam posted part two!”

[@lashghost]

This content is awesome. I look forward to checking out your other videos.

[@SamReap]

1:20:15 These lines actually appear in the novel Halo: The Flood! I thought it was kinda neat. I'm going just off of memory but I think a good amount of the cut lines from this demo were actually also in the novel Amazing video btw

[@TheJayson8899]

Incredible that they did so much in such little time.

[@playitinthebackground5984]

I'm really interested in this type of content! Keep up the great work man!

[@citizen1715]

it's amazing how much a slight model misplacement can drastically change the context of a cutscene

[@TheJayson8899]

Superb work man. Can't praise this enough.