Gabor Maté, Richard Schwartz & Marc Lewis - Rethinking Addiction

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In this meeting of the minds discussion, we’re joined by three of the world’s leading experts on addiction: Dr. Gabor Maté, Dr. Richard Schwartz, and Professor Marc Lewis.
Although their backgrounds vary widely, with Gabor initially training as a medical doctor, Richard as a family therapist, and Marc as a developmental psychologist and neuroscientist, all three of them have reached similar conclusions in their understanding of, and approach to treating addiction.
In a lively and wide-ranging discussion, we explore:
- Why do we need to approach problems with addiction not by asking: "what's wrong with it?", but instead by asking, “what's right with it?"
- Why both the ‘self-indulgent’ and ‘disease’ models of addiction are both fundamentally flawed and harmful (from a scientific point of view)
- The root causes
- How the internal family systems (IFS) model can improve our understanding of the mechanisms underlying addiction
- How Gabor Maté’s Compassionate Inquiry approach can help heal addictions by simply asking the right questions from a place of compassion and genuine curiosity
- Why IFS therapy may be one of the most effective approaches out there for working with addictions.
And more..
You can learn more about each speaker’s work via the selected links from this episode.
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Dr Gabor Maté is a retired physician and worked for over a decade in Vancouver’s Downtown East Side with patients challenged by drug addiction and mental illness after 20 years of family practice and palliative care experience. The bestselling author of four books published in over twenty-five languages, including the award-winning titled "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction". Gabor is an internationally renowned speaker highly sought after for his expertise on addiction, trauma, childhood development, and the relationship between stress and illness. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing, he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country’s highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. To learn more, join his e-news list at www.drgabormate.com.
Dr Richard Schwartz, PhD., began his career as a systemic family therapist and an academic. Grounded in systems thinking, Dr. Schwartz developed Internal Family Systems (IFS) in response to clients’ descriptions of various parts within themselves. He focused on the relationships among these parts and noticed that there were systemic patterns to the way they were organized across clients. He also found that when the clients’ parts felt safe and were allowed to relax, the client would experience spontaneously the qualities of confidence, openness, and compassion that Dr. Schwartz came to call the Self. He found that when in that state of Self, clients would know how to heal their parts. A featured speaker for national professional organizations, Dr. Schwartz has published many books and over fifty articles about IFS. Learn more at: ifs-institute.com/
Dr Marc Lewis is a neuroscientist, professor, bestselling author, and one of the world’s leading experts on the neuroscience of addiction. In his academic work, he has authored or co-authored more than fifty journal articles, and for many years was a professor of developmental psychology at the University of Toronto before retiring. In recent years, he has focused on making his work more accessible to a wider audience through public talks and interviews. He is the author of two bestselling books on addiction: “Memoirs of an Addicted Brain” and “The Biology of Desire”, a book which Dr Gabor Mate argues “effectively refutes the disease model of addiction.” You can learn more about Marc’s work on his website: memoirsofanaddictedbrain.com.
Links:
- Marc’s website: memoirsofanaddictedbrain.com
- Marc’s blog post series on using IFS to treat addiction:
www.memoirsofanaddictedbrain....
- Memoirs of an Addicted Brain - Prof Marc Lewis: amzn.to/2ZGBjy5
- The Biology of Desire - Prof Marc Lewis: amzn.to/3aBhVsB
- Gabor’s Compassionate Inquiry Training: compassionateinquiry.com/onli...
- In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts - Dr. Gabor Maté: amzn.to/3ajx3JV
- The Wisdom of Trauma Documentary: wisdomoftrauma.com/
- Gabor’s website: www.drgabormate.com
- IFS Institute Website: ifs-institute.com/
- IFS Institute Online Circle: bit.ly/ifs-online-circle
- IFS Annual Conference: ifs-institute.com/annual-conf...
- Greater than the Sum of Our Parts - Dr. Richard Schwartz: amzn.to/3lnJNFJ
- The Body Keeps the Score - Bessel van der Kolk: amzn.to/3oGf20Z
- What Happened to You - Oprah Winfrey & Dr. Bruce Perry: amzn.to/2YwcNSC
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[@TheWeekendUniversity]

Hi All, You'll notice that Marc's video cuts out at approx. 16 mins 30 seconds. Just to clarify what happened - his internet connection temporarily went down, but he was able to resolve the issue and re-join at around 29 mins 10 seconds. Best, Niall

[@willmack3090]

I think he was using drugs

[@tessallations378]

Hi Niall! I appreciate the explanation. I personally would take it with a grain of salt, just as my internet temporarily 'went down' during an interview when I started panicking, and here it takes places right after Gabor is pretty critical. I think you did a good job navigating and leading the conversation.

[@stefanospecia7511]

@@tessallations378 if you check the video at 16:08 his cam is frozen, and anyways their views are fairly similar on addiction

[@Fefe559]

I thought it was because of Gabor’s rudeness, flash of narcissist rage there… yikes. You got more work to do Dr

[@cgenoversa]

Protectors can keep us alive.. and keep us from living.

[@kimberlysmithcarlson1777]

Ive said this before and I'll say it again. Dr. Gabor Mate should receive a Noble Peace Prize for his dedication, life's work and gifted ability to describe extremely complex concepts in a manner that the average person can process, embrace and implement into their lives with tremendous success...

[@Peem_pom]

I think it shd go to Richard Schwartz!

[@FKA68]

Couldn’t agree more about Dr Gabor Mate

[@kasapbandy1776]

Right? And I’m sad he’s so old now. We need someone like him around forever. I hope at minimum his work is appreciated more when he’s gone

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Love your idea!

[@beholden2874]

@@Peem_pom I think both Richard Schwartz and Dr. Gabor Mate should be given the Nobel prize for their contributions to healing and transformation for our planet.

[@tulasideviful]

Just a shout out to the presenter Niall for his wonderful facilitation of 3 great personalities in the healing and recovery realm. You were humble, asked insightful questions and kept interactions fair and upbeat. You can say your name in the beginning if you like as the tiny Zoom label doesn't appear very vivid on screen. Well done!

[@merrilynstanger7241]

To facilitate in a stand out way , be comfortable , know when to speak , guide the 3 into the time allotted is in itself a gift . , as important as the words of each speaker !

[@joy96815]

04:18 Internal Family Systems model (IFS) 07:07 Addiction is a Universal Process 08:53 Not Why the Addiction, but Why The Pain 09:23 Not what’S Wrong with the Addiction, but what'S Right about It That does It do For You 10:16 "Addiction: Any behavior that a person finds temporary relief or pleasure in and therefore craves but suffers negative consequences in the long term and doesn't give up despite negative consequences or when they do give up they suffer irritability withdrawal" - Gabor Maté 16:02 Distinction Between Dependence and Addiction 17:13 Debunking the Disease Model of Addiction and Why is it Important that we Let Go of this Narrative 19:05 Addiction is actually Rooted NOT in the Brain, but in Life-Experiences. It Affects the Psyche and as it Affects the Brain. 19:37 Your Mind creates the World; the World creates your Mind 20:55 The Legacy Burden 24:00 Root Causes 24:28 Exiled Parts 26:29 Manager Protectors 26:44 Firefighters 32:51 Willpower Model 33:56 Trauma and the Role that plays in Addiction 34:24 There'S Pain; then there'S a Response to Pain 34:52 Trauma is What Happens to Us Inside of Us as a Result of What Happened to us In Fact Trauma Means Wound 38:23 Addiction and Potentially Healing Addiction 38:30 Compassion as a Model 40:56 Using IFS in Treating Addiction 46:00 Difficulty Connecting to the Self 48:43 Greater Than the Sum of Your Parts 49:30 Changing the Narrative We Have Around Addiction 49:51 “The Body Keeps The Score” 49:59 Bruce Perry's book with Oprah, "What Happened to You" 50:06 (how to) Increasing Trauma-Awareness 56:21 Politicians don't do Self-Inquiry 57:04 Resources

[@TheWeekendUniversity]

Thank you so much for doing this! : )

[@JimiBegbaaji]

Awesome summary! Thank you. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@lisav6583]

Thank you ☺️

[@mirandabrunskill7755]

Thank you 🙏

[@mistym0rning]

Nice work on the time stamps -- thank you so much :)

[@samo917]

Love the Schwartz-Mate bromance lol

[@goblinsRule]

All my heroes in one video, it was a delight to hear them

[@MFJoneser]

Cheers my brother

[@wendyrudnicki7141]

I wrote this comment in response to someone who posted concern about Marc Lewis leaving the conversation for a few minutes.... I was concerned, too. I'm a survivor of severe trauma and have been doing a deep dive into self-compassion and IFS for awhile after years of processing severe trauma through EMDR and with compassionate therapists (doing what I did not realize at the time was IFS work rescuing exiled parts of mySelf). Watching what happened when Mate's critic went after Marc was very informative for me because I have a critical part and an intellectual "manager" part that acts like that sometimes. I figured Marc left for a few minutes to gather himself, comfort his parts, and then came back and was present and kind (the result imho of his own personal work with his parts using IFS). I had compassion also for Mate, he lived through hell (as did I but a different kind). The wounds from that are very deep and take time to resolve. The (undeserved) "guilt" we carry is profound as are the exiled feelings of overwhelming powerlessness. My message to people coincides with what Schwartz teaches and practices--it is possible (slowly, taking baby steps) to reclaim our life after severe trauma; it's painful and takes a lot of time but it is worth it.

[@50farrell]

I thought Gabor's rebuttal was a bit harsh to Marc. There is a way to disagree but when you totally dismiss Marc's rationale as nonsensical was not helpful.

[@tessallations378]

thank you for writing this!! i often love to listen to gabor, so it was hard to hear this critical part come out. i think i would have responded the same way (just hidden away). I think it would be great if Richard had done a parts therapy session at the beginning for everyone 😂 that way folks could show up in Self.

[@self-carespa9449]

i agree Mate was harsh with Lewis but later realized and tried to clean it up

[@sandramedina9482]

Gabor was informative.

[@wendyrudnicki6298]

Yes, informative but also dealing with his own hurting, traumatized parts. That’s why imho it’s crucial imho that we all bring compassion to our own hurting parts as well as carrying the message of love and compassion.

[@katiehenson9957]

I'm glad I caught this. I am an addict. I struggled with addiction and eating disorders since I was young. Eventually, I ended up a homeless meth addict in my early 30s until I got pregnant with my son. Then I somehow was able to give it up for my son. I went back to college and graduated community college and now university. My sons father is still a homeless heroin addict living in a tent and can't stop. I try to encourage him when I see him on the street. But he feels too far gone. Its tough, now my eating disorder is back and sugar addiction. All I can say is that drugs helped me finally feel confident and function in the world and numb the pain and shame. I still don't know, but I know it's never gone away... My dad is an alcoholic, but his parents were not alcoholics and neither is my mom or her parents. But my mom is anorexic.. I wish I could get more help even now, but it's too expensive.

[@micheller3731]

The inner strength and love you have for your son that clearly keep you going despite ongoing struggles and a difficult past is truly amazing and admirable. What you have achieved is no small feat. I hope you find comfort hearing experts like these talk of the struggles you know only too well. Gabor's video, the Wisdom of Trauma is worth watching, and 'Why Love Matters' by Sue Gerhart is a must read in understanding how your start in life shapes everything and why it is worth the fight for your son. Good luck 💗

[@jasongravely7217]

Congrats! Stay on the path you’re on! Watching videos like this and learning behaviors (and implementing them) will continue to help :)

[@DanielDunne1]

That's inspiring Katie. Wishing you health and happiness.

[@divalivingston1664]

@@micheller3731 thanks for the resources you mention. It’s helpful to all who have had addictive behavior wherever we are on the journey to recovery. I don’t feel compelled to go back to any previous behavior but it took a while to get here.

[@divalivingston1664]

Katie Henson - I’d say tap into resources like these talks and audio books from Eckhart Tolle or Wayne Dyer. If you feed your soul and your mind you will be more attuned to when you are triggered. When I want to go on a sugar binge, I ask, where am I not finding sweetness? It may not curb it right away, I may have honey in every cup of tea instead of making it a treat once in a while, but I’ve slowed down in buying a lot of sugary snacks and that is a step in the right direction. Keep moving forward.

[@2biicoachingformndkarlotto317]

A part of me is carrying the Legacy burden. Boom. Sober for 19 years now and still feels damn heavy.

[@jeromeelcham1447]

I honestly can say, I think IFS, could change the world.

[@davidchadwick5423]

I'm a severely messed up individual, but I am so so 'proud' of myself that I didn't have children...that I didn't pass on my pain and burdens to another living human being.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Me too.

[@willmack3090]

I'm so glad you didn't as well you are a really f***** up person

[@ManusMagus]

There's still hope

[@punyashloka4946]

So true 👍

[@truerosie]

Me too. Conscious choice when I was 12, no regrets. Good to meet others of like mind.

[@sylviaoesterwinter8858]

Dr. Mate has made sense of my entire immediate family. Here is what you get with two parents raised by German soldiers: MDD, extreme obesity, bulimia, alcoholism, suicide, notable success, abusive marriages, PLS, GBS, and fibromyalgia. Unfortunately I am the only one in my family trying to stop the cycle but at my age and health it isn't easy. Still fighting tho! Thank you Dr. Mate!!!

[@persephone4846]

This is interesting to me as I’ve just left Germany after a lengthy stay.Ive noticed that German people are VERY different to other nationalities …I suspect that has a lot to do with the countries history of war-trauma.

[@theunbreaking]

100% for myself

[@sylviaoesterwinter8858]

@@persephone4846 I agree. My parents came to the US right before I was born. Going to Germany to visit family was always intense. Not necessarily bad- I think- just intense. I got in trouble at work 20+ years ago and was told I was "ruthlessly efficient". Not an awesome way to build teams. lol!

[@sylviaoesterwinter8858]

@@theunbreaking I'm very interested if you feel like sharing.

[@219nes]

Omg yessssss, I have been working with the minnesota model for my addiction since one year. Been to a clinic in South Africa etcetra but as a functioning addict I couldn’t relate in so many things. They called it my denial and made my critic even stronger. “Why does it work for everybody and not for me?” I have missed compassion in that program which initially caused my addiction. I never had compassion for myself so the inner fight between fire fighter and critic was severe. Tomorrow I stop the minnesota model and I am lucky I have therapist at the clinic in that dont believe in this program aswell.

[@mamasyaya1]

Same!

[@Roarzan]

I actually agree with Marc's distinction between physiological and psychological. Because although Gabor is right is noting that all addictions find a marker in the brain, there is a distinction to be made about what the causal origin of the addiction in the first place. A physiological addiction emerges as a symptom of say, a substance, interacting with our biochemistry. Whereas a psychological addiction will emerge not from something to do with our inherent biology, but from out psychology, which can vary a lot more than our physiology. We all share a very similar biology, which makes us susceptible to the same physiological addictions. But our psychology varies a lot more and for that reason we may have very different propensities towards one or another psychological addiction. This is obvious when you look across cultures how different individuals manifest addictions based on the different pressures their cultures and societies put on them. An understanding of physiology can get us to pinpoint the root causes of physiological addictions, but only an understanding of psychology can get us to the root of psychological addictions. The causal root matters and the distinction between physiological and psychological is valid. EDIT: Just a quick example on both. There's medical treatments that leave patients addicted to the substance used to treat them, this is a physiological addiction. People in more religious countries showing more pornography addiction is an example of a psychological addiction and one that shows differences across cultures as I talked about previously.

[@bodymindsoul60]

If you study the brain itself you will understand why Gabor is accurate There are recent studies on rats

[@bodymindsoul60]

Furthermore, studies show pornography’s effects on the brains physiology

[@mynz4464]

I agree. I think of myself and my boyfriend, both of us have had issues with heroin. But I used to make myself more extroverted, to calm the depression and anxiety, to make myself happier. Whereas he used for the thrill, the danger of living the lifestyle, to rebel against his conservative upbringing, to feel an ever growing need for more excitement and danger. We both suffered the withdrawals the same, but we need to examine different parts of our psychological need for the drug and work with those causes as well.

[@mirandabrunskill7755]

You make some very good points. I agree that the psychology aspect and differences between individuals is profound. I do think that early childhood trauma and ongoing trauma affects how brain chemistry develops. In a physiological sense, I've been made dependent on a prescription medication. I want to stop it but I can't because my body is now dependent on it. I'm not addicted to it. I agree with Gabor's distinction between dependency and addiction. Also I am an obsessive and addictive person but not towards substances such as alcohol, illegal drugs etc. My obsession and addiction is in the form of limerence. This has been ongoing since childhood. Only by gaining awareness can these problems be dealt with I think.

[@drsandhyathumsikumar4479]

I think developing of a secure attachment from the self to the Self as Mark described seems so peaceful and comforting

[@kimlawson2164]

LOVE IFS! Love Gabor. Everyone I see him on a video I click. I'm addicted to Gabor.... dammit.... one more addiction

[@tulasideviful]

😊😉😂

[@nishasankaran]

Richard warms my heart when he says that Gabor warmed his heart. I love these men so soooo much ❤️❤️❤️

[@velvetclaw2316]

Dick Schwartz has a beautiful modesty.

[@sealisa1398]

Indeed

[@EranHertz]

This made me feel better, don't feel shame anymore. But I can't change how people look at me.

[@JimiBegbaaji]

That's the wonderful thing. How people look at you only matters if you permit it. They are lacking the insight into the you that you have chosen to be. Celebrate that!

[@Peem_pom]

True, we must make these insights more popular and widely understood

[@stacyhutchins4675]

I'm a recovering addict, and I'm so used to, familiar with not feeling pain that I try anything to feel good.

[@urbansetter1]

You don't get addicted to the substance. You get addicted to the pleasure the substance gives you

[@laurahart3574]

This video was wonderful to listen to! I've been doing research on how to conquer addiction outside of the 12 steps. In 17 years I never knew there were other options out there except for AA or NA. It literally has never worked for me and countless others. I felt so ignorant when I discovered there are other answers! I love when the gentleman said instead of focusing on the addiction we should be focusing on what DRIVES the addiction! 12 step programs do not do this! Anyway, thank you again to all involved with this informative video. It truly opened my eyes in so many ways! God Bless!

[@mamasyaya1]

Me, too! I'm looking at some alternative to AA because it just doesn't speak to me.

[@colleendevere7491]

Superb talk! The next frontier is to understand how to treat the cycle between firefighter parts and the parts in family members affected by the firefighters behaviors and choices...in other words how to bring IFS to Alanon members so that they to can heal🤔. Btw, the interviewer did an outstanding job!

[@delaney6066]

Terrific talk. I've just started to dive into Richard’s work so the presentation of Gabor and IFS concepts together is truly valuable. Mark’s book is on my to-read shelf, as well. 👍🏼

[@sealisa1398]

His two books, Memoirs of an Addicted Brain and The Biology of Desire, are compelling reads. Makes you think..

[@jarijansma2207]

Omg yessss. I've been figuring out a synthesis of gabor's Insight with IFS, the timing of this couldn't be more appropriate

[@missdemeanor2637]

All of them are remarkable. Mind blown. So much information.

[@Supremedoge155]

Also read Grace and Addiction by Gerald May. Gentle way to continue discussion.

[@emceeskyskraper2962]

As someone whos read on gabor mate and marc lewis its awsome to see the great minds collab

[@8500998]

Dick could totally use some Landmark Education. Gabor has definitely taken it. It would really help him, despite being annoying & culty. He has so much to share. And they light a fire. Dick, grab some fire from Landmark?!

[@Peem_pom]

This was supposed to be about Addiction, but was so much more than that ❤️

[@TheEontraveler]

Amazing thanks.

[@MarkoStev]

Wow. This was heated for this kind of conversation. I like it.

[@k_k6281]

I cannot imagine being surrounded by those 3 amazing humans. well done for holding the space so well and congratulations for being so level headed- i would bounce from excitement from talking to them hahaha thank you for this channel 🙂

[@c.hudson8923]

Mindig megtiszteltetés ezt a triumvirátust meghallgatni. Köszönöm a bölcsesség nagylelkű megosztását!

[@MiaStayingCreative]

Currently reading Richards book “No Bad Parts” and greatly benefiting from it 😍😍😍😍

[@melissacaetanoviveremconex4344]

Thanks for this wonderful meeting! 🙏❤️

[@janetsontilt]

Terrific shares! Great talk and interview

[@moishekellmanart]

I'm so glad to see the best in the filed in one "room"

[@lisacox8865]

What an amazing talk🙏thank you soooo much for your work, all of you🙏🥰🌿

[@juliashearer7842]

Excellent information. Thank you. Brilliant to see these three discussing the "new" model of addiction.

[@user-yo7fk4vl2g]

Great messages! Thank you!

[@AnnieBear7f]

I’m 62, and this is the first time I have ever heard that Addiction is not A Disease. wow

[@nedakiadaliri]

That's Gabor Maté for you. He approaches everything from the lens of compassion

[@sumari972]

such a great conversation, such a small amount of viewers... Thank you for bringing these three great men together! ❤️👍

[@katherinepettit6585]

I loved listening to this thank you for sharing ❤️😊

[@christianalcaraz8644]

I'm in absolute astonishment with this amazing video and all the beautiful people in it. I'm in recovery, Alcoholics Anonymous and find this extraordinarily useful to add onto my program of recovery. Everything coincides with the little I've learned about addiction through my experience and opened up so many new ideas and solid insite on everything addiction related. ❤

[@xinliSG]

Thanks thanks to this platform.....🙏🙏🙏

[@andrewclarke7798]

Fascinating, thank you!❤

[@samantha-kemp-therapy]

Such a good discussion

[@drsandhyathumsikumar4479]

I hope Dr Gabor also talks about each human beings self accountability to overcome intergenerational trauma leading to addictions . I find Tim fletcher ideas really help in this regard

[@kennethguitarfiend4493]

Enlightening

[@Sitt593]

17:07 That's bars G. Maté!

[@Be1More]

thank you... this is where I am after much other therapy.

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

It’s a much better place to be, IMHO!

[@micheldisclafani2343]

I just wrote something to help people, but it was erased. I will not repeat what I said except that anything we do is registered forever, so be prudent! I am 83 and in my life I have enjoyed a drug.The drug that I enjoy is LIFE, the best there is. We are the captain of our boat!

[@jerrelboyd2441]

Interesting analogy as I am pondering moving off the land and onto a live aboard sailboat. The inner guide is quite convincing that this is the therapy I could benefit greatly from. I'm a 69 yo male cptsd survivor. The discussion by these guys could actually affect my behavior as I respond to seeing myself differently, from critic to brilliant problem solver.

[@jeffmallory3907]

100%, Niall! thank you

[@Umuma871]

To quote Richard “yeh basically I’m agreeing with both those guys” 😉🙌🏽

[@aint1noob]

I was shocked by Gabor Maté's treatment of Marc Lewis. I would expect personalities of this level to know how to contradict their colleagues with respect and humility, and Maté took a very different path. Regardless of how correct I'd think my view is, I still wouldn't choose to bring my point across in these terms, even to a coworker in front of a small team. But Maté puts down his collaborator with condescendence in front of an audience of thousands of people who look up to him. All my respect to Marc Lewis's dignified reaction.

[@queen_minnieme8321]

What part of him is condescending? I think it is subjective. And you might want to relook at how perhaps it triggered you?

[@Itisparsa]

That's what I noticed as well, it seems Gabor got pretty insecure by Mark, I was following both of these guys and clearly Mark to me has more scientific approach to Gabor, Gabor is a good Artist/Writer/Magician but Mark is the scientist I believe. after meeting Mark Lewis, Gabor looked like a fake Mark Lewis to me and after this talk I doubt I ever follow Gabor talks anymore. I even have some feelings/doubts that Gabor is suffering from Narcissism and downing Kruger effect (and of course I'm not an expert, I'm just a curious guy about anything related to psychology) and of course Imposter syndrome, so If Gabor is reading my comment anytime in the future, I want to ask him this question: when you're commenting about Jordan Peterson suppressed rage, can you see that in your behaviour as well? I'm sure that's clear on this video. be more humble Gabor and I love you as well for all insights you gave to me about ADHD, so take my words as an observation from one of your "previous" fans.

[@dananica5314]

@@Itisparsa Thank you for your reply, it's reassuring to know that I was not alone in noticing this

[@dananica5314]

@@queen_minnieme8321 I got "triggered" by rudeness and unfairness and I believe that's a healthy reaction

[@Fefe559]

@@Itisparsaright? And I love GM but he has moments.., I can see his cptsd or touches of narcissism- guess he is one of us I suppose

[@miizzashley13]

I’d love to see Dr. Colin Ross, Dr. Gabor Mate, Dr. Richard Schwartz, and even Bessel Van Der Kolk collaborate. Maybe I haven’t seen anything with them together aside from this one with Dr. Richard Schwartz and Dr. Gabor Mate. Any suggestions?

[@MURUR1025]

Agree with Gabor at 15:40 mark. Blind spot for Marc Lewis.

[@shepherd1938]

I’d like to see Gabor and Dick write a book 😊

[@drsandhyathumsikumar4479]

Also trauma is more a response in a individual and the answer lies there too

[@lark865]

So I'm like halfway through this video and I'm really distracted by the fact that Marc is gone, and I'm super worried about him. Is he okay? Are his feelings hurt because Gabor disagreed with him? Does he come back? It's really bothering me. That probably says something about my childhood that I definitely do not want to look into.

[@lark865]

Oh, good he came back.

[@wendyrudnicki7141]

I was concerned, too. I'm a survivor of severe trauma and have been doing a deep dive into self-compassion and IFS for awhile after years of processing severe trauma through EMDR and with compassionate therapists (doing what I did not realize at the time was IFS work rescuing exiled parts of mySelf). Watching what happened when Mate's critic went after Marc was very informative for me because I have a critical part and an intellectual "manager" part that acts like that sometimes. I figured Marc left for a few minutes to gather himself, comfort his parts, and then came back and was present and kind (the result imho of his own personal work with his parts using IFS). I had compassion also for Mate, he lived through hell (as did I but a different kind). The wounds from that are very deep and take time to resolve. The (undeserved) "guilt" we carry is profound as are the exiled feelings of overwhelming powerlessness. My message to people coincides with what Schwartz teaches and practices--it is possible (slowly, taking baby steps) to reclaim our life after severe trauma; it's painful and takes a lot of time but it is worth it.

[@lark865]

@@wendyrudnicki7141 , yeah, I'm glad it all worked out. I've totally been on both sides of that, both thinking what I'm doing is good natured debate only to accidently hurt the other person and the person who is easily hurt by what others mean to be good natured. So, I think they both handled it well.

[@alvodin6197]

Guys, they are adults. they can handle this.

[@lark865]

@@alvodin6197 , I know that's the joke, I also think you know that too, but I can't be sure as it's hard to read tone over text.

[@sandramedina9482]

Gabor❤

[@sandramedina9482]

The mind creates the world… and the world creates the mind 🌍🙏🏽🩶

[@bw9382]

Holllieeee moly damn they really pulled out the best of the best for this one huh! I really am curious what Gabor Mate has to say on IFS. Or alternatively what Richard Schwarts has to comment about ADHD.

[@delphinebrooks5110]

the sickness is not the consumption of substances but the craving that they produce

[@wayofspinoza2471]

Dr. Gabor Mate has given us much; however, there is more. Gurdjieff and Spinoza’s teachings give us keys how to awaken our mind and learn the power of understanding our trauma, addictions and face the problems that confronts us, then it’s possible to become free. WayofSpinoza

[@simonsays525]

100%!!

[@adam11830]

What is the evolutionary perspective on IFS? Why does this seem to work?

[@align2source]

💚

[@DrTLKillens]

How is this different from inner bonding

[@jessicamorales2555]

I lost my very close friend due to a very aggressive cancer just last week. Can you tell if crystal meth can cause cancer? he did it for few months, some 35years ago.

[@MFJoneser]

I am so deeply empathetic for your loss. I lost someone that way in June. My thought is that causative link is unlikely. The information you shared caused me to wonder if he had deeper life pain / stress / shame related to his family and or life view. Hang in there my friend.

[@jessicamorales2555]

@@MFJoneser thanks for your sweet response.

[@marcodallolio9746]

I'm sorry for your loss. I have also lost a close person to cancer, and I've struggled to find THE answer, the ONE cause for all the suffering. And meth, being already evil, is certainly a good candidate. However, unfortunately, it's very unlikely to be the cause. It's very unlikely there is only one cause, but rather a network of interdependent factors. I know its not a particularly comforting answer, but its true.

[@JimiBegbaaji]

The meth was a solution to a problem. Then the meth became the problem itself.

[@Happihaus]

🥰

[@afsanehsalehi6785]

Isn’t it wiser and more valid to have an opponent in your discussion?

[@inspecktavegofficial1396]

Schwartz-Mate bromance lol

[@PerfectPetProductions]

The inner critic idea is valid and can be difficult, but I see it in a slightly different way. I think its the 2 hemispheres of the brain interacting. Childhood trauma gives loud negative reinforcement views from these 2 sides of the brain in my non scientific opponion.

[@harryneuhoff9115]

Why does Gabor have it out for Marc?

[@csmith-fh2lx]

I think Gabor leapt in to defend vulnerable people from Marc's rather judgemental, harsh assessments. I didn't feel comfortable with Marc's theorizing about addiction and our damged selves and felt he didn't " get it" in the understanding, kind and embracing way that Gabor and Richard did. I didn't think that Marc had a secure sense of Self and would definitely avoid him as a therapist. Disappearing offline after being challenged by an esteemed peer did him no favours with the audience. Although a certain percentage will blame Gabor for "attacking". I'm not one of them. I believe he was sticking up for the downtrodden.

[@rachelallard550]

What about using people as our happiness and feel good. Addictions to people

[@truerosie]

It's the same dynamic, just different 'substance' or process.

[@discover.yourjoy]

Can IFS help a narcissist? Doesn't a narcissist have no real Self? Or least a secure relationship with Self?

[@jeromeelcham1447]

Dr Gabor Mate has never touched the nonphysical.

[@elephantgratitude]

I think Descarte’s error seeped into this conversation

[@AbsAnon]

Looks like Gabor Mate had his micro-manager part show up for this one.

[@Dischordian]

46:00 when protectors take over again

[@reneesantiago6496]

Everytime i watch Gabor he comes off as a high minded snob!!

[@SW-jg7yh]

What the heck happened to Mark

[@smileyface702]

Niall, do I detect a northern Irish accent?

[@SlackKeyPaddy]

Well Marc comes back after 30 minutes yet is so fidgety with a smirk of judgmental denial on his face; he obviously needs to deal with his denial issues and repressed emotions; Marc totally identifies with his professional Titles (egotism ) , I am this and I am that. 'Sounds like 'alchemy, Marc said! Spiritual Alchemy is the transformation of lead (ignorance) into gold of enlightenment. WTF! Marc Lewis is a total materialist and would be a dangerous psychotherapist to have, I 'm afraid

[@MFJoneser]

Super interesting point.

[@bettinazwerdling9158]

Too harsh. Yes to discernment, however, listen more. Judge less. Take what works, leave the rest. Your points would have more value if in fact you tried discernment not name-calling. Even noticing -with curiosity- would be helpful. (The old saying -- 'if you spot it, you got it' while not entirely true, but may have some relevance here.

[@jld4870]

@@bettinazwerdling9158 ‘if you see it you got it’ or you may not see others you see only yourself in others. We are all a work in progress.

[@tessallations378]

i don’t think so! he responded to a way that i would’ve if gabor had responded to me like that - i would have seen it as him criticizing me instead of what i thought and tried to hide away (that has happened to me during a zoom call, I just blamed it on the connection). When he came back i saw it as him nervous but being brave (because now he also messed up the interview flow, etc, but is coming back anyway)

[@martianmatters]

Newer heard anything abouth other presidents,

[@texastoast5202]

Gabor comes off as very condescending and is very pompous. He’s very ignorant with a lot of what he said. As a 25 year pharmaceutical rep who has called on thousands of them, especially family practice, he’s unaware of addiction and is quite wrong. A lot. Think about it. MD’s get very little education and training on addiction.

[@SlackKeyPaddy]

Looks like Marc Lewis couldn't handle the facts about addiction that Dr. Mate told him, pushed his know-it-all attitude, I guess . LOL

[@hamm5312]

Maybe it was the manner in which Gabor told him. It came across a bit abrasive.

[@sealisa1398]

Give it up...you already bashed him once.

[@sealisa1398]

@@hamm5312 I agree, less than optimal choice of words.

[@hamm5312]

@@bodymindsoul60 in a very abrasive way.

[@cynthiam1381]

I dont think abrasive is the correct word, Gabor is confident due to his long history of working with addicts for decades , and why would a proffesional be so thin skinned to be offended 🤷

[@grahamhewett4234]

Some more "experts" in an area where there are none.

[@sarahdonahue1433]

Everything was great until the politics. I found that to be self serving. Why single out the USA? I am proud of this country and its leaders.

[@bartveenvliet7341]

that´s a part speaking

[@alvodin6197]

USA iis a war mongering psychopath nation, filled with sick leaders and imbeciless.nmaybe that's why?