How to See your Hidden Skill Rating in Call of Duty!

[@jake-p2l]

Trash talkers in cod are about to become data scientists - now it won’t be “what’s your KD?? Mine’s higher!” - it’ll be “what’s your skill coefficient?? What’s your standard deviation over the last 30 days??” 😂😂

[@mananlak]

This would be more funny and less sad if trash talking or any lobby chat at all still existed in COD games

[@solzok7962]

☠️

[@onemorescout]

AI will start banning people for saying “coefficient” in games

[@Pawn87]

haha I had a chuckle at that

[@Padron129]

There's a guy who is really bad at the game but is a big trash talker, and his go-to is "How much do you bench? You weak nerd." 😂😂😂😂 I find it hilarious bc he's so bad even when camping with a thermal LMG 😂😂😂

[@flamingscar5263]

we have the EU to thank for this, EU privacy laws require companies to give you the ability to request any data they store on you, you can do this if you do not live in the EU as it would be to much effort for activision to make some sort of system to detect if you are an EU resident or not so they just make it available worldwide

[@dnjago]

"detect if you are an EU resident"? The data request form literally has a drop-down menu where you MUST select your country.

[@kordami28]

*too

[@adamait1173]

Im French n EU sucks, Frexit is coming soon

[@captredbeard]

Whe have the EU to thank for nothing. They actively seek the death of Europe. “But I can see my video game stats!” 🤡

[@RadioFW]

​@@dnjagodo you think they compile all of the data when you hit that button? They need to have it stored beforehand

[@M3RKMUS1C]

I keep getting "We've encountered an error. Please try again." every time I try. I think we've already broken the website LOL

[@NotianNZ]

Make sure youre logged into the "connected accounts" section as well as the activision account. Had the same issue

[@sebaXXtian98]

Yes, yes we have Edit: if you play on steam and are getting this error, conect with your steam account, not the activision one :)

[@BlackGhostBg1017]

Connect to an account with a brown tick-box and it will work

[@aidan46294]

hey merk

[@6DNG9]

​@@sebaXXtian98this worked, thank you

[@Nutter666]

The Intern responsible for generating these reports is going to have a rough week 🤣

[@MrNomial]

likely automated

[@KineticCalvaria]

​​@@MrNomial 100% not automated. These sorts of request need checking by a human for any information that they legally can't or don't have to provide to avoid a data breach.

[@AdamSabir1]

@@KineticCalvaria Lol yeah bro, literally millions of requests are being manually approved by a human, give me a break.

[@Never-you-mind]

@@AdamSabir1 its not that it cant be generated by a bot etc,, its that there MAY be information that needs redacting.

[@maramba32]

@@AdamSabir1 doubt its millions. likely no one knows about this or dont really care

[@1waylevy300]

blame truth about to have a field day with this lmaooo

[@andrewsmith8727]

Lmao. I bet it comes out tomorrow morning

[@Lasershark666]

Literally same thought, I’m excited

[@herehere3139]

​@@Lasershark666 samee 😅

[@yurrgee]

He’s definitely not showing his data tho. Bro stats prolly looks washed

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

You know CoDs doing bad when people start to talk about Blametruth in a none-negative light

[@susch7466]

if you are an EU citizen, you can do this on basically any big site since it is legaly required

[@glock-kay]

That's pretty interesting.

[@samurisnark6940]

Yup, GDPR

[@ronniekregar3482]

thank God for the European Union

[@tylerclayton6081]

@@ronniekregar3482 Regulation is basically the only thing the EU is good at. And It’s something they’re trying to decrease because over regulation has been a big factor in causing EU economies to stagnate and lag far behind the US in productivity growth and GDP growth European countries have all been in relative decline compared to the US since the 2008 financial crisis. But the gap has been widening at a much more rapid rate since 2019. The US economy has been growing about 3 times faster than the EU and 5 to 10 faster than Western Europe for several years now Over regulation is the one biggest causes of this. There’s a reason why Europe has no major tech companies. Europe missed the tech boom and now most of the biggest companies in the world are American or East Asian. Europe is being left in the dust while we keep developing

[@KingAlucard101]

​@tylerclayton6081 you mean regulation? Telling companies they have to make data they collect on you isn't over regulation it's something that should be normal.

[@zacharysmith9646]

Ace, you kill it man, I've been following you for years and your content is top tier. There is so much bullshit out there and your methodology, ability to stay objective and just genuine love for CoD is so appreciated. Having someone who really puts in the work and avoids reactionary nonsense, rare thing in the content climate we live in.

[@freakinschweeet]

If each match has a unique match id, we could crowdsource the lobby data.

[@robracer97]

As a data nerd, I hope I get my info back bc this is FASCINATING. I hope you make a follow up video on this based on fan data

[@marcokeyter346]

As a data nerd surely you can see this is all available stats and data that is already in the game?

[@robracer97]

@@marcokeyter346 The entire video is about seeing a stat that isnt in the game

[@jaydengeorge2693]

Depending on which country you’re in, they have to provide the information.

[@marcokeyter346]

@@robracer97 ITS LITERALLY in the game. All the data is there. just like with this excel file they send you, YOU have to sort out the data. You can do that with ingame stats. without even having submitted a request i know my skill level is a 4 out of 10. how? by looking at my stats. my spm is 460 with a kd of 1.20. depending on the weapons i use it goes higher i know cod has sbmm so the chances of me playing against someone with a 600spm 3.0kd is zero unless my spm is above 550. how do i get a higher spm? play better and sweat more. how do i prevent from it getting too high? dont sweat. im prestige 6. Prestige 1 i had a spm of 200. prestige 2 300. prestige 3 400. prestige 4 i stayed around 400. prestige 5 i just spammed stakeout with shotguns and got a spm of 650. see how i can already make the exact same graph with ingame stats. i can look at prestige 3 and 4 and youll see i used snipers only for those and when my spm was higher i can see i used easier reg guns. i know my top 3 worst maps are vorkuta, rewind and protocol because my stats always take a dip on those maps and my best maps are stakeout, nuketown and derelict because i always do well on those maps. all these stats are in game.

[@elijahbuscho7715]

​@@marcokeyter346 where?

[@grrinc]

Is there a ‘chump’ rating to see how likely you’ll buy a bundle or Black Cell

[@Thecorrector3000]

You’re poor 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣

[@Xdxdxdmoneu]

I love spend money

[@grrinc]

@@Thecorrector3000 ooof chump spotted. Oh dear!

[@Thecorrector3000]

@ You’re poor 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Thecorrector3000]

@@grrinc Gonna buy an extra skin today just for you 😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣

[@kaeroseon]

Some things that I was able to see from this: 1. This system is fairly robust, with outlier prevention, but as a ranked only system and with more transparency. 2. This explains the stretches of games where you are either dunking on people or doing well below average that I sometimes experience. 3. There are definitely still inconsistency when it comes to correlation between K/D and skill rating, presumably due to a more simple skill rating average calculation and a hidden lobby skill average, as I can see a stretch of games where the K/D trends downwards but with a big spike that kept the skill rating fairly flat with a slight rising trajectory.

[@witchitahable]

The major thing missing is teammates and average lobby score. If you underperform relative to your average, but do much better than all your teammates who have a higher rank than you it implies you're playing better than them. So your rating would probably go up from that for example.

[@RipRedRorry]

In my experience the rating is based mostly on APM and Accuracy. Not tied tied to KD at all

[@kaeroseon]

@@RipRedRorry interesting

[@youngtidepod3507]

What is APM?

[@RipRedRorry]

@ actions per minute

[@theklap7070]

I miss the days of Lobby Leaderboards and being able to see a players SPM and using that as a way to judge a players potential over k:d

[@CaptainSlayahoe]

Bruhhhhh 🤦🏽‍♂️🤝🏽

[@Erizmai]

I wish I could also see average distance traveled around the map, and number of engagements in each game mode too…Ping of each player would also be nice

[@rockmycd1319]

Yeah but the problem is that you could instantly identify a camper that way lol

[@Jerree217]

@@rockmycd1319 why is that a problem

[@rockmycd1319]

@@Jerree217 because shitters don’t like being called out

[@Harrz]

Would LOVE to see how this skill rating correlates to where people get 'hard stuck' in ranked play!

[@denversnider1587]

Will let you know when I get mine back! Currently Plat 3 but not technically hardstuck. I say that because I’m still getting around +75ish for a win and -40ish for a loss. If I remember, I will update on my results.

[@Paper1Planes]

I miss what they did in Infinite Warfare where you could see stats for every player in the pregame lobby. You could see K/D, win/loss ratio, total wins, if they were on a win streak and they’re K/D in the last 5 games. I loved it

[@AK2WI]

Black ops 2 had this too

[@tvrift]

Its honestly one of the biggest things I miss from old CoDs.

[@yurrgee]

Funny how they take things away to save peoples feelings in a mature rated game.

[@GHOST9421GCI]

Kd means nothing you mouth breathing controller playing bots. Skill from the data is what counts. High skill level will place me in cheaters lobbies and you ain't getting no kills there bots. You're so dumb you don't even understand data things when given to you on a silver platter HAHAHAHAHA

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

I MISS BLACK OPS 2!!!

[@Easy_2TTV]

Turns out my activision account had been hacked some time ago and i had no idea. I would have never found out without your video so thank you lol

[@Leon_2777]

So back out until you get your one or two good game. Seems to me this blatantly tells me SBMM is encouraging lobby surfing, which actively hurts player retention as well.

[@mickeydave6528]

In the same time, you keep searching for lobby, hoping for getting a bot lobby. And when you waiting for matchmaking, you may look at the store tab, the battlepass tab, more likely to make a purchase. It is not about keeping player retention in the match, it is about keeping you stay inside the game and look at those microtransactions as long as possible.

[@ohnobro3770]

The system takes player satisfaction into account to keep you on so if it sees you’ve been losing/leaving since it counts as a loss it adjusts accordingly. When you start winning it sees you’re engaged so it needs to begin giving you harder lobbies. We’ve experienced the same pendulum since mw2019 it’s just visible now

[@theshankpain2228]

@@mickeydave6528yup that’s why sbmm is actually eomm(engagement optimized match making). Have fun or don’t but make sure to spend money.

[@elijahbuscho7715]

They should have a penalty for backing out. It ruins games

[@blaketastic]

if you back out of games it usually will prioritize your next matchmaking to in-progress games for the next game you queue for.

[@crimnvL]

The lesson is back out if you not having fun, eventually you'll get a good lobby

[@SalamenceFury]

Yeah, and then 3 games later your skill rating will shoot back up to the moon and you'll be suffering again. The lesson should be to AVOID quitting to prevent that.

[@arcticowl1091]

at that point just play a different game, wasting time backing out of lobbies is time you can spend playing something that won't be a pain in the ass to play.

[@dillonc7955]

I've never seen a community anywhere that's so promoting of unsporting behavior like quitting until this game came out. I hope they add time penalties if you hit the quit button 3 or more times, you should be penalized for 10 minutes each time for leaving your teammates behind constantly.

[@justusreigns8391]

@@dillonc7955 Why are you concerned about if I back out of MY game? How does it impact you and your experience? This is a damn video game. Your self-righteousness is better served elsewhere.

[@arcticowl1091]

@@justusreigns8391 clearly you've never played in a lobby before where most of your team backs out and they don't get replaced. 2v6 is not a fun time.

[@flashpoint5292]

Glad to see this confirms we can manipulate our sbmm rating pretty easily

[@manafmuff7708]

How?

[@ohnobro3770]

@@manafmuff7708just leave 4 matches in progress and you’ll get a lobby much lower than your average rating

[@brixhaven1196]

But if sbmm considers data all the way back to Vanguard, then averages would take years to move even one percent.

[@raptorcell6633]

​@@brixhaven1196Except we are fairly confident your performance in previous games is irrelevant to the current game.

[@brixhaven1196]

@ that would make sense but I'm not sure how it's really done. Some ppl said their sbmm bracket kicked in on day one of BO6, some said it took a few games. IDK how it would be proven one way or another OUTSIDE of doing extensive "reverse boosting" testing.

[@Dumpaloo]

How to reveal hidden storage space by Uninstalling the game.

[@spwazii1582]

~ 🤓☝️

[@SkunkyBrew]

Quote of the year, and it's only Day 1.

[@SatanicHalo]

What's the point of these ppl watching every cod video, play COD, just to constantly talk crap. Just leave, find something else u can go get mad at like ur kids or something idk 🙃

[@Dumpaloo]

@@SatanicHalo Trying to help the addicts make a good choice for their health.

[@TonyWilhoit]

Bye Bye.

[@GeekyPastimes]

This is super interesting, will be fascinating once we can compare a bunch of different data sets to start working out what the numbers could mean and how connected they are to k/d, score, placements, separate playlists etc. Already surprised that they change so fast!

[@ennesb.4053]

DO THIS: Play some rounds and make people search a game on stream when you search. So that you might get one or two viewers into your lobby (but do not invite them). Then aftwerwards check your data and compare the stats with all the guys you have played with and see how their values are and how they did and how there Skill curve looked like. That way we can kinda figure out the matchmaking process and what players meet in a lobby at what point of their "curve".

[@elijahbuscho7715]

Since it's so slow to get the data, and they will probably deny request if you spam them, a better approach might be to try to get viewers to send in the list of lobby IDs. There are bound to be some overlaps where people happen to be in the same game (as long as enough people send in their data), and in those cases you can that same analysis, but on retroactive data.

[@Shuganuttz]

That’s assuming they are in the same regional servers

[@ImEnemy608]

Smart. Would take quite a bit of coordination, but if it can be pulled off... it could help Illuminate some of the inner workings

[@bogusshmogus1670]

Why go through this much effort to play a dogshit game?

[@elijahbuscho7715]

@@bogusshmogus1670 games pretty good imo, and this is an interesting part of it to learn about

[@simonkammeyer4334]

Just submitted. This is really interesting stuff. I'll check back and report my skill number. Please keep digging into this topic

[@brandonjulupesty8136]

i’ve been waiting for this moment since i’ve heard of sbmm

[@iambane7845]

Hidden MMR in ranked is crazy

[@bmacc604]

It's rigged. I'm in gold 3 right now and honestly my teammates are so shit I'm literally like 5x better. I need to carry absolute shit to have a Chance.

[@bmacc604]

And I'll add my opponents are mostly all demons

[@iambane7845]

That's how my solo queue would go id get an awful 3 stack vs a good to great 4 stack to fight. If I didn't have most kills and 2 minutes on the hardpoint we would loose, and then they tell you it's just a game when you tell them to play the objective when they're in the competitive game mode. Ranked is almost enjoyable in a Duo it's fun in a trio or full stack.

[@iambane7845]

I'm in Plat 2 and from my experience playing Solo in the mornings was noticeably easier

[@jmontgue6431]

@@bmacc604 Agreed. I'm Plat 3 and whenever I get close to Diamond 1 (I was 2 SR away once) it throws me into a game against an insane team on win streaks while my team is people who don't seem to know how to play at all. Then I'll lose like 3 games in a row, then I'll crawl back to within like 10 sr to Diamond and it happens all over again. I've played like 20 hours over the last 2 days solo queuing and I'm basically where I started 2 days ago lol

[@k.v.a.2041]

Activision is about to get a lot of data requests now LOL

[@falcongaming3743]

OH THE DATA

[@masanchez34]

@5:43 i back out A LOT because I get thrown in a lobby that has 2-3 other teammates, since the rest have backed out, and the ones remaining are all hiding because the opposing team has all their score streaks or people are spawn trapping us. So I get into a game barely have time to take a step forward and I’m already dead. There’s no fun in that and that happens to me a lot, especially when I play solo

[@kamn3811]

😂 I actually get what your saying is crazy work

[@DanFarrell98]

Shame there are too many players like you, then none of us would be out into games with unbalanced teams

[@bobocpe]

My SBMM footprint must look like a perfect sinusoid.

[@masterchief7301]

This is going to go over so many people's head... It's me, I'm people.

[@TonyB369]

@@masterchief7301basically a sin(x) type curve. Just up and down on loop forever

[@SomeLad12]

I think this is what most peoples data is going to look like to be fair.

[@ReboyGTR]

**BlameTruth yelling in the distace**

[@YungNuisance]

HIDDEN MMR IS WOKE

[@Loris71734]

That guy went off the deep end so bad

[@raidengoodman8754]

@@Loris71734 you ever think to ask yourself why he went off the deep end? what was it huh pimp?

[@Picnickrh]

@@Loris71734he’s been correct about everything

[@shrillcrayfish6168]

The DATTTAAAAAA

[@DANNYonPC]

I love the gdpr Common EU W

[@befayedocrimes4751]

Facts Danny

[@jedison0311]

Happy New Years and may your year be filled with peace, prosperity and love. Thank you Ace and will look into and get back to you

[@REXXNITRO]

if you remember battlelog from bf4 it had a skill rating and a buinch of other stats that you can see on everyones profile. I wish more games had something like that so we can see skill trends of yourself and the community. Not sure how the rating was calculated in those games but it was cool to see it go up over time. Unfortunately if the server had the setting "fairfight" or something it would auto balance you or your squad based on your skill rating which would sometimes make the match a little weird. Also overwatch has the same system where you can see your hidden rating

[@Massivedumbdumb]

the reason companies allow you to see the hidden rating from just requesting your data is due to the EU's laws forcing companies to make it available to people in the EU since it falls under personal data.

[@xrexkinect]

I loved battlelog. You could do so much on there it was awesome. Also seeing the skill level slowly go up the more i learned the game and got better and more consistent games

[@NeightrixPrime]

BF3 and BF4 could be serious bragging rights. It was great.

[@rnnl1940]

​@@NeightrixPrime I reached 829 skill rating in BF4 and never touched that account again so I could brag about it lmao

[@tempfirstrandom-ev2xt]

You can also send a request to delete all your personal information. Does that mean that you can actually reset your skill rating and thus SBMM via such a request (at least for the first few games after the deletion)? Definitely worth a try

[@zaza7499]

Interesting thought, let me know what the results are if u decide to make this experiment. Definitely something i haven’t thought about and am interested to know what the results are

[@elijahbuscho7715]

I wonder what it would actually delete? Probably just the in-depth data on past games played. I can't imagine it deleting all of your stats like E/D because that would probably mess with your masteries and challenges and stuff, so I doubt this would do much. Even if it did reset all of your stats, it seems pretty pointless since the requests take days to complete, and simply by playing a few games your skill rating will go right back to normal. Might as well just back out of a few games if you want easier lobbies.

[@glock-kay]

The introduction of E/D instead of K/D doesn't help me know if I'm doing good at all, sure it's great in matches in regards to streaks and XP but man is it dumb. Great vid.

[@stevenmichaelfletcherjr4464]

People say this, but i discovered how to spam scorestreaks on MW3 w mission control vest and DDOS On MW3 every game i can drop 50-100 kills But most are predator missiles and SAEs Like I had 3 matchs on yard, where I dropped 100 kills 60+ kills on each were kill streak kills On BO6 it's simply not possible, so there is some balance there

[@glock-kay]

@@stevenmichaelfletcherjr4464 Why exactly are you telling me this tho? My comment was about how I don't really know how well I'm doing K/D wise with the introduction of the E/D system.

[@NeightrixPrime]

I don't really see the problem. Just interpret your stats with the understanding that it's E/D

[@Hauser2084]

Exactly, mate. I can't stand EKIA and there’s not enough people criticising it. It's basically protecting their EOMM system by overinflating our "kills"

[@elijahbuscho7715]

I actually think E/D is a better representation of your actual performance in a match because it shows all of the kills you participated in. If player A does 90 damage to a player, and player B shoots the last bullet to finish them, player B's actions weren't more valuable. Player A had the biggest impact, but that's not at all reflected in a K/D system.

[@krustybeans1160]

Getting Ace's stream buddies data before and after playing with Ace would be a huge reveal, assuming they play more varyingly then Ace

[@SenorJC]

Since the data goes back to Vanguard and Cold War when API access was still available maybe you can make a video comparing your skill rating vs your opponent's kd and win/loss ratio by going through old gameplay footage. That could at least give us a better idea of how eomm/sbmm worked in previous cods.

[@ice-qf8vz]

Requested mine minutes after this video came out. Still nothing. I think I should be able to derive their calculation of skill from my gameplay. It would be a rough estimate because it’s only one person with a “high” skill level but still interesting

[@cazinaus4917]

Best xmas present ever for Ace lol....deep diving data

[@BeyondtheBox1]

We really need the pro players to watch this video and release their data. I play basically only ranked play. And I’m iridescent. So I’m really curious how my skill rating would be.

[@danielskakun9215]

Let me know what you get! I’ll come back here too, I’m hardstuck crim

[@patriot1028]

This is exactly my thoughts, we should be able to correlate our Ranked rank to our score. I range between plat and diamond and my friends are crim/iri, so I'm curious of these numbers as well. I'm especially curious of top pros, since they make common Iri players look like a joke.

[@JasonMattingly-h9d]

any update?

[@BeyondtheBox1]

@ I haven’t done it yet. I need to see pro player numbers for it to even make sense to bother. If Ace is around 500.. if there’s no ceiling, then I’ll look. But if most pros are capped at 500 then no point

[@zFFi]

I have my old data from 2023 which has MWII and before that. Sometimes the skill rating goes to a negative number like -190. Generally I see it's between 200-620 for me, highest being 679. Some matches are from ranked play (peak iri) and some are from public matches. I don't think I ever had over 2kd in pubs, but if I partied up with "lower skilled" players I would obviously do better in their lobbies. Edit: I'm from EU and I have no problem sharing this information publicly, provided the personal information is removed.

[@casta55]

This is very cool. I think given time and knowledge of availability of the data, people can start to introduce controls on say a fresh account and perform specific ways in a match (i.e. focusing on individual game modes, prioritising different playstyles, aiming for certain SPM's, etc) to reverse engineer the rating calculations.

[@JW-ZeroSpyderW]

Comparing your ‘Skill Rating’ to your ‘Ranked Play Rank’ (Plat,Dia,Crim) could be a good way to give the community a rough guide on how good they are. If anyone has the data and is willing to share.

[@gatlin1320]

I’m curious to see if this data includes ranked matches. I’ve suspected that ranked has a hidden skill rating (which would be ridiculous because the whole point of ranked is having a visible skill rating to show off)

[@TheXclusiveAce]

I believe your hidden Ranked MMR will also be displayed on this but I have no data for ranked on my account since I have no interest in playing it these days

[@ValhallasKeeper78]

Question.. Did you notice if your skill rating value had any correlation with SPM? Maybe that's a way to figure out what a good skill rating would be? Just a thought

[@nrs_207]

Get Shotzzy to submit a request, then we’ll know what the cap is

[@JTheCodMan]

Or scumpii haha

[@gamb]

reverse boosting just got 10x more efficient

[@mryellow6918]

Reverse boosting, wonder what happens when your request to delete your data, will that give your account a fresh start?

[@ppson]

@@mryellow6918 You probably would have to delete the account at the same time though. So just start a new account.

[@DK-on7vb]

Excited to see this. LIke you said I would LOVE to be able track my skill and performance over time. It feels really bad to have zero idea if you're actually improving!

[@zero11010]

Look at the stats screen in game. You can see your lifetime stats and also your stats for each prestige. As you increase through the prestiges you’ll see your stats get better. Your win percentage and k/d will go up. It also tracks some general stuff for each prestige to show you your largest kill streak, highest kills in a single game, and your 3 most used weapons.

[@TheKrazieTV]

Submitted mine just a few mins after this video went live and I am still waiting 3 days later. lol

[@jerkheaddd]

same here, 2 days ago I submitted. I'm real curious to see my mw2022 and mw2019.

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

This video provided very accurate information for me. I can attest to this information because I smurfed my account for quite a long time and it only took me several matches for it to go back up to my previous skill bracket.

[@jamcowl]

I just made my request, I'm very interested to see this hidden "skill rating" for myself, given that I've maintained a 0.0-0.2 KD in Warzone over the past couple of years but also a relatively high win-rate in excess of 50% for some periods. I'll come back here to edit my comment when I get the results. Thanks Ace!

[@gel87Kjetil]

Ur the king of 0 kills wins, im interested to see that as well. Because, first 3 days of bo6 felt amazing. Many kills, guns and movement and area 99 map felt epic. Got like 12-14 ressurgence wins theese first 3 days. Then boom, super low damage, bad bitreg, bad audio, aim resist constant and every enemy deal what is equialent to 50 damage even in my legs per bullet. And throwing knives was back to making bumps mid air to aboid hitting enemies etc. game feels very different after a win. I tried to leave for 1 month, came back and still nerfed. I could still win several games when nerfed. But it was super boring, beeing abused for 70% of the match, then suddenly allowed to kill late game and got wins with like 3-8 kills only.. does not feel great, i would rather have good games and loose.

[@mokey345]

u should make a poll in the upcoming days asking about others skills ratings in your community

[@Midnight-1810]

They boutta make this info easily accessible when thousands of people start requesting this data 😅

[@macwiley9846]

My friends and I have been thoroughly enjoying prop hunt and playing almost solely that. It made my skill rating shoot up drastically. I did PM97-PM142 90% in prop hunt with a few SnD and 10v10 mixed in.

[@cesiupro123]

You could try to find a game where you performed really well but your skill rating went down, and then look for the last game before that where you had better performance than you did in that last game, that would be the game that had been keeping your skill rating up but was just removed from the games that were included in your skill rating, so it went down, then we would know how many matches your skill rating takes into account.

[@Papayotums]

Really appreciate the critique about cosmetics. I’d be tempted to make a return to the franchise if the various skins in the game were a bit more immersive. Or if there was a filter option, like you suggested.

[@RalphEvangelista]

I think we crashed the data request page, as of 1/1/2025 at 4:55pm EST it just keeps coming up with an error

[@orestodomundo6652]

Same here

[@wardydoes]

You have to log in via your connected account first, for me that was PSN. Then enter your activision account details on the confirm linked account screen

[@msprecher6507]

It's been a few days, but I have not gotten my info yet.

[@mivory14]

Same

[@moonanit1465]

Ace you are the man. I have always loved your content. Keep it up.

[@dr.gregorysmith3120]

Game changing. Finally this data is available.

[@babypanda305]

so i requested mine on the 2nd its now the 5th and i still havent got mine. but i requested my data portability less than 12 hours ago and ive already got that

[@Rimlightt]

That's pretty neat. I'll check this out later. I mever back out from games unless I have to go, so I'm curious about what my skill rating is since my games have been very tough lately

[@high7onesomesound]

Now if you could gather that data and correlate it with the other players data in each corresponding match you could observe EOMM/SBMM in action.

[@high7onesomesound]

“The daaaata! 🤓” -Blame Truth, The Codfather.

[@Sali8two]

Thanks Ace, good informative video as per usual.

[@brycearmstrong7582]

They should make your “skill” into a number, and then make this visible like a personal Elo, and then make that into a playlist where you can grind against players with a similar Elo to raise yours. They could even add a separate playlist that doesn’t use that number and is random

[@spartanx169x]

With some data crunching you can probably figure out how its calculated, unless it also takes into account the lobbies you played against to get the final number.

[@tonedeaftachankagaming457]

Love this. They could call the ELO matchmaking "Ranked" and the looser MM "Casual." Would be groundbreaking for the FPS scene

[@ZackGOutdoors]

One idea I'm thinking of that may already be listed here is maybe requesting performance data from those who join your lobby during your livestreams as I know you've had open lobbies previously. That could be a decent way of seeing how the combined skill of a team could impact individual or team performance. Not sure how helpful that could be, but could be worth investigating.

[@MrNomial]

This is great, someone could just build another web app that allows people to upload this data and compare between players. Shouldn't be too hard, hopefully this comes up soon.

[@Taken-Edits]

Remember. You dont wan to share this data

[@Luckingsworth]

​@Taken-Edits All you have to do is santize it by taking out info like IP. The rest of the data is fine.

[@nofmxc]

Skill value going down after doing well in a match could also be caused by a very good game falling off the rolling average window.

[@ShadySummerZ]

So if this skill rating is what controls matchmaking you can request them delete it. Someone needs to test if that fixes matchmaking.

[@oscarfunez3806]

Delete it? It would reset the system as it tries to find where you stand and ultimately you will be back to where you were anyways.

[@tannerbearden6640]

@@oscarfunez3806not if you keep requesting them to delete it

[@WhoDevv]

that'll only work for a few games until you get a new skill rating.

[@oscarfunez3806]

@@tannerbearden6640 That would be annoying AF doing that. Might as well have them change how TB and SBMM works to better balance out lobbies rather than bring too strict using generic stats from players.

[@tannerbearden6640]

@@oscarfunez3806 yeah it would but good luck with that

[@dodgee_doo]

I am constantly in the bottom of winning teams. I never back out of games when I’m losing. I think I need to start after seeing this data.

[@rage3198]

im getting an error "We've encountered an error. Please try again."

[@UnrelaxedKoi]

We gotta take a look at the win/loss of the matches you had during those times as well. It could be a good indicator for what the lobby skill level could be at.

[@Sikiatric]

The year is 2025 and we're comparing our hidden skill levels to IRL friends, adding many more reasons they don't touch COD anymore

[@TyCi46]

Ace not sure if you will see this but if you do could you potentially test on one of your alt accounts what happens if we choose to delete all data. Will it erase all the stats they have on your account or will it also perma delete you account meaning you need to create an entirely new COD/Activision account? Curious if we can delete and then immediately still play and if this would effect the “algorithm”

[@xBezerkerrr]

From your data after leaving those matches, it seems that if the game thinks you're rage quitting multiple times in a short period then it'll lower your SR for a certain number of matches to give you a better experience before bumping you back up to your previous SR. Pretty interesting and I think it's some more insight into how EOMM works, more proof that it's dynamic and not a static SR system. Just the fact that they have data going back to Vanguard for every user is a huge revelation as well.

[@presidentbruh401]

When I submitted mine it said going back to mw19. Makes sense, they have stats for every game that has dedicated servers rather than peer to peer matchmaking.

[@PositronCannon]

@@presidentbruh401 They've been using servers since Advanced Warfare in 2014 though. Granted, at the time it was a hybrid system that could fall back on player hosts in some cases, but that was pretty rare in my experience.

[@natypes1]

Saw the info on whoisimmortal, but I wanted to come give you a like and comment for breaking this.

[@Devildog_0708]

Just submitted and will comeback once I get it

[@darthj_der7447]

Wow thanks alot. Im gonna try this. AND now we know that if you're gettin stomped backing out does help you in the long run. To get lower lobbies I mean. I DON'T want bots but a nice even match is the most fun imo.

[@zero11010]

If it’s even that would mean MOST of the time you’re in the middle of the scorecard. For each time you win … you should have a game where you’re last. Right? That’s even.

[@TheHarleyH]

"we've encountered an error. Please try again."

[@TheRealGuSty]

Make sure you're using the correct activision account (the one that is linked to your xbox one if that's where you're playing), that fixed me getting the same error.

[@shadygaming6523]

I get request denied any ideas?​@TheRealGuSty

[@DonaldJPump24]

Tableau is a really good data visualization app you can use to find trends, and it really helps to make sense out of a large dataset like this one. Let me know if you try it, it’s pretty awesome for stat nerds

[@morayodyssey4030]

cod has its own social credit score now -100 SOCIAL COD SCORE

[@roadrunne255]

The algorithms have been guiding ppl for 15ish years. Nothing new.

[@xTapTapx]

Really interesting vid this one. Thanks for sharing!

[@dalberttran8134]

We are finally living in the Black Ops 2 timeline

[@ArgoG]

Gotta remember too they’ll be sending you info from all the previous games too I think since MW19 I think so it’ll probably take longer for some. Good thing I only started the account I requested in MWIII , so in theory it shouldn’t take them long to send mine.

[@kiIIGuy]

Now we just need someone to collect this data from as many players as possible to analyze all the data together and see what conclusions we can make from that. just an idea

[@SomeLad12]

I’m a data consultant and have asked a couple of my friends to request there data so I can build a dashboard out of it for fun. Not going to have enough data to do proper in depth analysis though.

[@raijin4094]

To get a good idea about what a good rating should be look for s&d players like marksman, that are legitimately good

[@mlaird1986]

This is amazing. It also disproves that these damning algorithms has been in cod since the beginning. They will have no choice but to remove SBMM. The bomb is about to explode thanks to you Ace. It’s absolute insanity that they track this stuff to manipulate your experience.

[@TheXclusiveAce]

The fact that they have this data isn’t surprising at all and has been common knowledge for well over a decade. Nearly every single PvP game will give you a skill rating, visible or not. It’s what they do with that and how much it impacts your experience thats interesting

[@NeightrixPrime]

I doubt Activision sees a halt to their obsessive manipulation as an option. They've been ramping and refining since MW2019 and have no ethics to speak of.

[@zaza7499]

I don’t know if activison tells you exactly what “skill rating” is but skill could mean many things from your kd,obj score, whether or not your win or lose. I would like them to clarify exactly what their scale and it’s indicators are telling me

[@fergalrafter4024]

RIP Activision Privacy department haha

[@DNPounding]

I'm very curious to know what everyone's FIRST GAME skill number for each COD is. Do we start from the same exact spot? Does it use the previous CODs last games to keep calculating a rolling average?

[@SlayerUnchained]

It's been over 48 hours and I have not received the report yet. They are not going to send it anytime soon now that everyone knows.

[@Krems_]

We should ask scump to do this since he plays pubs every now n then and he’s a very skilled player, that would let us see what the high end of the skill rating is at the very least

[@allheronocape8372]

Happy New Year

[@JuhIDK]

8:04 will never happen as long as activision is able to get away with using eomm. i guarantee the reason some of your bad games you went up and some good games you went down is because of the engagement oriented part of the matchmaking. those sorts of outcomes would never happen if it was a real measure of skill, it happens to keep you and your opponents playing for longer. these stats cant be compared to xdefiants skill rating because theres tons of other variables that can affect it. also, the fact that there is a matchmaking algorithm at all affects it. it puts you in games that it can manipulate the outcome of, meaning the "skill" rating can never really reflect how you would truly stack up against people. also, the whole "i wish it showed the lobby skill" also wouldnt work, because the mm isnt actually skill based. the "skill" levels of people within the lobby are most likely very different, and itd depend on whether the mm decides give someone a harder or easier lobby (in order to boost player retention) hope that makes sense, kinda just rambling

[@RyzhYYY]

Can you make a discord or a twitter post where people can come back to after to post the numbers you requested?

[@kamranhussain4419]

As someone who has to deal with Subject Access Requests (SAR’s) at work, I really hope for the sake of those poor Activision admin employees that it’s an easy exercise to get this information. Can’t imagine how many people are now going to make SAR’s just to see their skill rating.

[@zero11010]

For a tech focused company like Activision it should just be a series of API calls to their own databases that are then fed into an email friendly HTML file and sent off. Each place to store data should have read, write, rewrite, and delete access. So, however many separate databases store the details … a series of asynchronous calls would go out for the data … then compile it. Should be 100% automated. This is also how you would let users delete their own data. Though, typically that data is held on to for a week or two in case the person changes their mind. THEN the data would be deleted from each database. I’m a software engineer. I build systems like this for a living.

[@kamranhussain4419]

@ SAR’s are a legal request. I would be very surprised if they would be allowed to be sent out without a human being checking it over. Can get into a LOT of trouble if all of the information needed is not on the response. Additionally, there is, on many occasions, information which needs to be redacted.

[@zero11010]

@@kamranhussain4419 can’t speak to it in more detail. I’ve never needed to build one of these systems so I’ve never read the legal requirements. Redacting info would be easy to automate. It’s always the same info that gets redacted. If it’s always the same it’s easy to automate. When you pull data you can readily sanitize it. That process sounds like a minefield … if it’s their data and legally they’re allowed to have it … but, if when a request to a certain route is made to pull data it’s easy to only pull parts of it, or pull it all and remove parts of it (how it’s stored can determine which is most efficient). Interacting with a database is “expensive” (not money .. time delays add up quickly and most databases can only perform one action at a time) and something you want to minimize, so depending on how often something is done it may not be optimized for specifically which means it may be more efficient to have secondary machines sanitize the data to free up the database.

[@iiLucky]

That data clearly exposes the logic of - Ah little Timmy, you're frustrated and keep leaving games? We detected you're upset and would like to make sure you don't log out. Here is a peace offering to play for another hour or two. ACE, as always thanks for the great content! It's nice to hear someone talk about things like this without fucking hearing "Patents, Skill based damage" etc.

[@DustinJames-mk1gl]

No it's just how all rating systems work People who make comments like yourself have clearly never played chess

[@Outright__]

@@DustinJames-mk1gl Just data can’t do anything; but a software like Demonware can, aka the patents for in game manipulation.

[@Agdem_]

I mean, that logic isn't even representative of what actually happens. I'm sure we've all had games where it's 100% stacked in one team's favor. There is no lobby balancing in this Call of Duty, so when your teammates decide to leave because you are all getting spawned trapped, I don't think you're staying in a 2v6. That's been my biggest problem with this game. I leave matches too, but because I have to in order to avoid playing in an uneven lobby. Had three games yesterday resulting in a 2v6 or a 4v6 because people left. The matchmaking system took a step backward and can't handle balancing lobbies in real-time anymore. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this. There are so many issues with this game, you can't just blame the player base for being 'little Timmies'.

[@iiLucky]

@@DustinJames-mk1gl Huh? Imagine being able to tell if someone played chess over a KZbin comment. Man the humor went right over your head on this one.

[@iiLucky]

@@Agdem_ Please quote me where I blamed "little Timmies" for anything? The point of the comment was a) some humor and b) displaying that activision manipulates your games simply by leaving because they want you to continue playing rather than get off. No one cares that you leave your games so you don't need to come justify it in some KZbin comments shorty.

[@OddlyKing]

I just submitted a request, and mine goes all the way back to MW19. I guess we’ll see what is actually included when I receive it.

[@davemarsella9624]

Tried to request my DATA and its blocked

[@zackp4798]

So the main takeaway from this is to back out when you know you're on rails to lose because rage quitting lowers my skill level. Got it

[@lucid6455]

When I was camo grinding the last few games I would quit the match before any wins. Eventually the SBMM is trying so hard to force you to win it's wild. You'll win a TDM faster than you even realize or go on such a tear you forget to quit the match.

[@Later2u]

Completed while listening to this video.