Appreciate you taking a look at the plugin Wytse! Loved your pure reactions to playing with the parameters! Variable ratio compressors amazing tools in controlling levels without overtly changing the original sound, although you can get some VCA style action from the plugin if you use the BUS release. The dark squishy sound you got while driving the gain reduction at fast settings is a staple of the original hardware unit, and I modeled it with great care, as it was one of TTLangen's favourite sounds! "Dark hi-fi". As some have said, much of the units tonal signature is actually behind the Vari Gain parameter, and I struggled if I wanted the default setting for it to be 0% or 60%. On the other hand some people don't want a plugin to change the sound unless they've touched a control, and on the other some people want instant tone-boxes. You can of course change it to load at the setting you want by replacing the default preset. The calibration on the top right is also an important part of how the plugin responds, as it correlates to the approximate LUFS level you want the 0-point dBfs of the compressor's threshold to be, ie. if your material is at -18dBFS and you set the calibration to -14, a threshold of -4dB would already start to get some compression action going on. If you don't need it, don't buy it! If you need it, buy it! Well put 😂 Manual can be found here: drive.google.com/file/d/1m8qKcW5PfsWviJydrufsM0u-wjhL2oj6/view
@weltenraunen6 ай бұрын
I tried the plugin the day before the review came out and quickly discovered that you can do wonders with the calibration. This plugin sounds extremely good and I've already started saving money to get it. In a bundle with Islander, of course. Great job, Wavegrove!
@oleksandrpozniak6 ай бұрын
Btw the original HW varis compressors are/were made in Kyiv back in the day. Back in the day the company even had U47 mic clone and several HW units including 4 channel tube DI
@paavoilves54166 ай бұрын
"Think for yourself" Thanks Wytse, I'll do as you say!
@nathanielcade9476 ай бұрын
This "review" was a miss. The manual clearly denotes what the controls are and how they funtion in relation to each other. Please take the time to read, not just look at the product manual. Otherwise why even bother "reviewing" a product. I have no affiliation with Wavegrove or anyone there to my knowledge. Just someone who appreciates "honest and accurate" information. I tried the HCL-Islander followed by the HCL-Varis on a sub-mix buss with very good results on three different sessions. My starting point were these presets: Gentle Dual-Mono Sculpt preset for the Islander, Factory Default for the Varis. Adjusted timing & settings for each mix, level matched & compared. Then went back to normal output for a final pre-Mastering listen. Don't know why you say "don't buy" unless you have some kinf of bias towards Wavegrove. Their free plugin almost through me off (bias), but I decided to give their retail plugins a try. Glad I did. A definite recommend for me. Happy tracking!
@spicewiczmusic6 ай бұрын
this is formula of the channel, exploring plugins :) personally i much prefer when he doesn't know the plugin - this represents what's going on in my mind when exploring new plugin. so i can see if plugin is easy to use or not. and he didn't say don't buy this because its bad, he actually said it is very good on subtle settings. he said - don't buy another plugin you dont need ;) important difference
@nathanielcade9476 ай бұрын
@@spicewiczmusic I also like to just load a plugin & see what it can do and if it makes sense to me. Never had a problem using HCL plugins without reading the manual. The manual gives clarity to each section & how they work inside the plugin. Also explains the labeled text. Something he would have discovered if he had actually "read" the manual instead of just glancing at it. By repeated stressing "you really don't need it", isn't he suggesting not to buy it? Starting at 0:45 he gives us a clew into how he thinks when making content. Not so unbiased after all.
@raphlasne3 ай бұрын
This comp sounds very nice indeed! 'm very found of the interface, very clean and precise.
@SilentGloves6 ай бұрын
The hardware Varis from Handcrafted Labs is extremely well-renowned in the ME community. Two of the most common units I see in racks are the HCL Varis, and the HCL Thermos Mastering EQ. I'm really excited to hear your thoughts on this plug.
@hcl88366 ай бұрын
Interesting … I didn’t know i was making Plug-ins 😂
@SilentGloves6 ай бұрын
@@hcl8836 Wait, are you saying you didn't authorize this plugin clone?
@jamesgrant33436 ай бұрын
My guess is the hard bypass is post volume, which is maybe why there were no actual audible changes happening when setting attack or release? Even with the VU meters swinging wildly, no changes…
@Whiteseastudio6 ай бұрын
The hard bypass is off almost the whole time -> read the manual or try it yourself...
@southpaw34736 ай бұрын
Should the Hard Bypass have been on during the test?
@foki_official6 ай бұрын
That's what I was looking at. Was the comp even active? 🤷♂️
@doftpunk1016 ай бұрын
@@foki_official I noticed changes when parameters were tweaked. Things got softer and phatter. But I also noticed that.
@ramspencer54926 ай бұрын
It was active. You can hear it working... Not sure he used the drive though
@Whiteseastudio6 ай бұрын
Yes! If the light is on, it's active, and when it's off, it's bypassed. I've just checked and verified this.
@theonenonlybass6 ай бұрын
"μ" is a unit pronounced like "meow"(miu) (cuz its a varimu comp)..it was a witty touch i liked that
@Lolwutdesu90006 ай бұрын
Meow is pronounced "mee-ow". Miu is pronounced "me-you".
@theonenonlybass6 ай бұрын
@@Lolwutdesu9000 i know.. i jus couldn't resist not typing out meow 😭😂
@Kunibert_Knatter6 ай бұрын
I *saw* the VU-meter dangling, but I did not *hear* no nothing.
@DaftyBoi4126 ай бұрын
Tr and Pt means triode and pentode I would imagin.
@Vt-gm3pz6 ай бұрын
great sounding compressor 👍
@teddym28086 ай бұрын
You didn't even touch the sidechain HP. What was that?
@peterladan52086 ай бұрын
Thanks for a good review. Is it me or does the hit come in late in your second audio piece?
@peterladan52086 ай бұрын
I mean hit
@peterladan52086 ай бұрын
It seems that KZbin does not like the word hi-hat
@Scarleaver6 ай бұрын
Tr and Pt.....Triode and Pentode? xD
@nathanielcade9476 ай бұрын
Triode and Pentode.
@Todzuum6 ай бұрын
I think it means Triode and Pentode.
@Whiteseastudio6 ай бұрын
Makes sense, but also, a pentode vari-mu???
@hviewstudio6 ай бұрын
I don't comment offend .... But I've learned so much from you.....If I ever come into money I will send you rewards .... At the moment its tuff...But thank U for the help you give us......God bless
@DaveRave236 ай бұрын
Hard Bypass on almost the whole time, is this a snake oil review, rather than a snake oil plugin ?
@Whiteseastudio6 ай бұрын
It's off almost the whole time -> read the manual or try it yourself...
@Wavegrove6 ай бұрын
Lights on -> device on. I'm pretty sure this is how people usually do it! Of course on the hardware it might be more clear, as you are actually pressing the button. And remember that learning how it operates takes about as much time as writing this comment.
@DaveRave236 ай бұрын
Thanks, good to get your collective feedback. I couldn’t see this in the manual, maybe I missed that.
@GrandmasterKnox6 ай бұрын
I don't know, man... I just hate the ergonomics in their plugins. This one seems a little better, but I just hate how you still need to "calibrate" to get any meaningful compression out of it. When I used Islander, I felt like I was going from knob to knob to knob to knob. It's a pain in the ass. It's not hard to find a good compressor these days, so if it's going to take longer to get where I want, I'd rather use something else.
@Mansardian6 ай бұрын
I guess that's part of emulating hardware as closely as you can. It is not a made-up plugin. I prefer when emulations stay as close as possible to the real deal. I'm also a fan of stepped controls. May sound weird to you, but coming from the analog world this is what I am used to.
@Wavegrove6 ай бұрын
I don't see how giving you the option of calibrating the plugin to any LUFS you want is bad. If you want, you can open the plugin for the first time, set the calibration to -18dB and then save a new default preset, and you're set for life. The hardware device has trim pots on the front for exactly this.
@GrandmasterKnox6 ай бұрын
@@Wavegrove Fair enough. Even though I don't like doing that, I have done that for a few plugins, so I won't cry over it. I'm still not a fan of the interface, but I'm sure other people don't mind it as much as I do. Still appreciate both this and Islander's existence, as it's fairly priced and doesn't include intrusive DRM. I'd rather have people supporting this over ilok home-calling plugins. Have a good one.
@GrandmasterKnox6 ай бұрын
@@Mansardian Is this an attempt at being condescending? Real question. I won't bother with the "emulations being as close as possible", as I have no intention of going back and forth on how that's kinda bullshit once you realize they took the liberty of improving over the hardware when you compare them side-by-side. I just find the "may sound weird to you" part kinda funny, seeing as how I also prefer stepped controls (I don't mix with "half dbs" or random number frequencies) and how that's really nothing special at all. Coming from an SSL guy.
@paavoilves54166 ай бұрын
@@Mansardian Me too, I absolutely love stepped controls! Partly because I mainly use my mousewheel to tweak knobs on plugins.
@giannispan81296 ай бұрын
Which DAW do you recommend for recording, mixing midi electronic drums and mixing with a backing track? Cubase or Logic pro?
@uncle-ed6 ай бұрын
I normally enjoy your videos but this one, not so much. Reading the manual for this plugin is necessary.
@stoopidvideoz6 ай бұрын
Cool music, what's it called?
@marfaxa6 ай бұрын
sandstorm.
@stoopidvideoz6 ай бұрын
@@marfaxa Thanks! I love new music.
@jorisboulet81376 ай бұрын
Sweet groovin demo track , love it
@leckel19966 ай бұрын
You missed the vari gain parameter 😢 That’s where the tube goodness comes from
@bennthirteen37016 ай бұрын
He just cares about yt algorithm these days, sad but understandable
@mthomas10916 ай бұрын
@@bennthirteen3701you do seem very sad…..tomorrow too (is my guess).
@cortical16 ай бұрын
@@bennthirteen3701 Impugning motives is not only rude, it's irrational here. Wytse has done so much to help people for free over the past many years.
@gutterg0d6 ай бұрын
@@cortical1 A rough calculation based on the screenshot from the islander video suggests he makes around 1000 euros per month. While it's not an earth shattering amount (and it's obviously perfectly fine), it's not "helping people for free" either.
@cortical16 ай бұрын
@@gutterg0d He has helped myself and several others I know in this community who have contacted him directly for absolutely no fee for his time and expertise. Claiming that all he cares about is the algorithm is not consistent with the empirical facts about his behavior.
@dizmix6 ай бұрын
Dana Carvey, come get ya boy.
@mycosys6 ай бұрын
You dont know the letter mu? really?
@lofimat38566 ай бұрын
Is this the Best of te new best comp eva?
@fel83086 ай бұрын
Wait is that music for a persona game? :o Do sound like music from the persona games
@kniferideaudio6 ай бұрын
Sounds way too pillowy for me. I have the islander and it can sound pretty good, but it takes a lot of fidgeting to get it sounding right. My issue with the Wavegrove plugs is the terrible layout with tiny little virtual screw knobs and tiny switches. sucks to look at it. I can usually get the same result from other comp plugins and faster with less blind twiddling.
We listen to you because you have a very trustworthy attitude. I hope we are not mistaken. 😄
@AMPProf6 ай бұрын
SIR I would have No plugins! Actually a White sea studio starte vst would be cool
@Projacked16 ай бұрын
Wanne koeketoetert zeg! 😅
@behtashmiri12836 ай бұрын
I think u were not into doing this review 😅
@nathanielcade9476 ай бұрын
My sentiments as well.
@user-tioldjg6 ай бұрын
I really want to see your Grandchild review!
@Whiteseastudio6 ай бұрын
When I have one that keeps working 😜👍🏻
@RayTheProducer6 ай бұрын
Ok, so this was just a whine-fest. Someone had to say it. These are nice compressors, why break their balls if they asked you for a review? Isn’t that why you became a KZbinr? 🙄
@beehype46and26 ай бұрын
Comment for da algorithm Streak count: 246
@EdPettersen6 ай бұрын
Not everyone is listening to you. I've been tuning you out since you told people they don't need mastering and can do it themselves. I stop by to see if there's a new plugin out and then go check it out for myself. Cheers.
@inkrot6 ай бұрын
There are literally hundreds of songs going viral and making charts while being "mastered" by the artists themselves. Mastering from professional engineers are important for labels and artists trying to reach as many people as possible.... but tbh these days indie artists are so well informed that a lot of a the time a limiter is all that was needed!
@EdPettersen6 ай бұрын
@inkrot Perhaps, but it doesn't mean it's the best solution. Or a good one.
@Ilove1073s6 ай бұрын
A few examples : Loveless has been mixed by the artsist and is one of the best albums of all time, Mike Dean mixes and masters himself and has worked on, again the best albums of all time. I really doubt that a different mixer/mastering engineer would have made those records more relevant in music history. And some others will rely on a specific mixing, mastering engineer like, I don't Greg Calbi because off his genius, it's fine too, we're all super different so you can't blame that guy for saying that, just keep an open mind and experiment ❤
@EdPettersen6 ай бұрын
@@Ilove1073s Fair enough, but the examples you give are expert, super-trained ,experienced professionals with great ears. YMMV.
@inkrot6 ай бұрын
@@EdPettersen Now this isn't us disagreeing with the notion of needing a mastering engineer. Those that have the ear for it can do amazing things to improve a mix where as an artist would probably be "blind" to. I just think the lines have been blurred a lot since the early 2010's thanks to the EDM wave that brought us a ton of bedroom composers.
@MACRONOne6 ай бұрын
The nationalist sentiment and complete(geo) political ignorance associated with the developer put me off using it at all. Luckily there are a crew of clever 'witches' around that allowed me to bypass the demo crap leading to the conclusion, after trying it, I don't need it.
@thejacevekexperience6 ай бұрын
Nationalist sentiment. Maga? Right wing?
@johnisrael51836 ай бұрын
Well it sounds like they would have been better off just giving away a full 30 fully functional trial.....then at leaste people could "find" a use for it in their set up....Just an Idea...LOL
@YuzimaPhilip6 ай бұрын
You mean pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia invading their own country sentiment. What are you smoking?
@SomeoneCalledRob6 ай бұрын
Their 'nationalist sentiment' as you put it, is spot on. And the compressor sounds good - even this 'review' couldn't detract from that.
@Ilove1073s6 ай бұрын
U guys name start by Macron and Israel 😂 like wtf, ok whatever. We are artists, we have to express ourselves and our opinions, I don't know if this plugin is the most clever way to do it, but just see that as an artistic statement that has a lot of meaning for some people ♥️