They didn't stand a chance - Bhoja flight 213

[@GreenDotAviation]

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[@noob.168]

ty for no spooky music this time.

[@ditzygypsy]

Can you explain (in idiot terms 😂) how at 10:31 when the plane got hit by a headwind it sped up, and then later, when it was hit by a tailwind, it slowed down? I thought headwinds push against the plane in the opposite direction the plane is travelling, and therefore, it slows the plane down? And a tailwind propels the plane forward, and therefore, it speeds up the plane? When is the opposite true? I can’t find anything about headwinds speeding up and tailwinds slowing down. I’m so confused.

[@threedirty5455]

@@ditzygypsyHas to do with lift over the wings and your altitude. Yes at high altitude tail wind speeds you up, but at low speed it produces less left which ultimately makes a plane fly. I’m also new to this so take this info with a grain of salt LOL

[@GreenDotAviation]

@@ditzygypsy Yes - the key thing to remember is that a plane only cares about its speed through the air, not its speed over the ground. So, the headwind didn't speed it up over the ground (quite the opposite), but it did speed it up through the air. Let's say a plane is flying at 200 knots, and there is no wind. Its speed through the air will be 200 knots, and its speed over the ground will be 200 knots. Now let's say that the plane hits a headwind of 10 knots. Its airspeed will now be 210 knots. It hasn't gotten faster over the ground, but it is travelling faster through the air, because of the 10 knot headwind being added to its existing airspeed of 200 knots. The reverse is true for tailwinds. The reason that on a flight, a tailwind is a good thing, is that planes tend to fly at a pretty constant airspeed during cruise - let's say 500 knots. A tailwind of 100 knots means that your groundspeed is 600 knots, even though your airspeed is still 500 knots. Hope this helps!

[@asi411]

@@GreenDotAviationyo can u do bek air 2100 or the Leicester City helicopter crash in 2018 cuz ive never found a single explanation video on them

[@LUOLMO]

This has to be one of the *WORST* cases of pilot error that i've seen, Untrained captain? Poor weather? Continuing even with the terrible weather? Poor CRM? Everything went wrong here....

[@jamesm3471]

That aircraft probably would have crashed into the ground ten times, were such a thing possible.

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

Uncertified plane... Corrupt Aviation Authorities... Incompetent Level of Training... Everything didn't go wrong. Everything (and it's damn cousins) WAS wrong with this flight! ;o)

[@FK-we1dp]

Real Pakistani shit

[@jamiecheslo]

Yep. The swiss cheese model strikes again.

[@Nerdywr]

Third world things. Never fly to these countries and risk your lives with incompetent baboons

[@bernardkealey6449]

Their inaugural flight on that route Their first night flight in 12 years Their first 236, but with 200 manuals The plane was 28 years old, so while “upgraded” to Bhoja’s norm, it was far from new tech. The last 236 rolled off the line 26 years prior to the crash Pilot joined Bhoja after his prior airline terminated his -400 rating training because he wasn’t able to grasp the fundamental concepts of how to use the automation; on training provided by 3rd party in South Africa he was rated poorly, but this was not overseen by CAA PK. CAA PK ran the investigation - primary cause, bad airmanship - 2ndary cause, inappropriate use of automation but absolved themselves of all blame on oversight of a corrupt and negligent aircarrier, saying that they couldn’t know Bhoja was corrupt and negligent because Bhoja provided false/fraudulent info. “Pilot bad, case closed”

[@AverageAlien]

3rd worlders don't make great pilots

[@Tactical_Nuke0]

Exactly

[@MgtowFreightTrain]

I don't know how it can be their first night flight in 12 years. Busted regs

[@AZAN-SHEIKH]

Brother choose to speak facts

[@debroofgreen]

For anyone confused about why the tailwind slowed the plane down (when it normally makes the plane go faster) this is because the air is flowing in the opposite direction over the wings, which reduces lift and affects the performance of the aircraft. That's why tailwinds are avoided during takeoffs and landings, but during normal flight it's typically good.

[@samuelguce]

cheers was wondering that

[@PJay-wy5fx]

@debroofgreen Thanks so much! I was wondering about that.

[@minatureone]

Thanks that’s helped me understand🙌

[@deoryisnoob]

Additionally, there is a difference between airspeed and groundspeed. Tailwinds can slow down your airspeed but increase your groundspeed, which is why they are beneficial during the cruise phase of a flight.

[@avishjha4030]

Thanks for explaining, I was so confused with the headwind increasing speed and tailwind decreasing speed part.

[@alexv3357]

I feel like airline executives should be forced to fly on their own companies' aircraft at random intervals, with the individual airframes chosen at the last minute by lot. That would help turn abstract business decisions into personal safety issues for them.

[@ARockRaider]

not a bad idea, though you could just say "if people die and it's because of your neglect you could be executed"

[@alexv3357]

@@ARockRaider They'll still figure out a way to weasel out of that. As far as the executives are concerned, if they're not on the planes, it's not their problem.

[@sarthakmohanty997]

​​@@alexv3357Especially given the "and it's because of your neglect" clause. They'll fight tooth and nail in the court of law to ensure that the death of people is not established to be due to their neglect. I completely agree with OPs suggestion. Any executive of an airline should be legally mandated to use that specific airline's services as much as possible. Use the product you are investing in. Freedom of choice be damned!!!

[@jamiecheslo]

A truly sublime idea. Dare I say it would also be quite effective!

[@alexnikolas1991]

Brilliant idea, fantastic even. If only the world did work this way, right? 🫤

[@ryanhey3425]

Sounds like I got more training just from this video than both these pilots got combined

[@the-red-ghost]

😂😂😂

[@queenleo3257]

Felt 😂

[@MZTHICK76]

😂😂

[@dimitriysnitko6634]

Hey man, idk if this is your side hustle but I’d highly recommend you really go into this full time. Your way of story telling is different then any others. You have many episodes to make with many many stories. Please upload more!!

[@panman2568]

I second that motion. I’m addicted to these damn videos. Especially the longer ones

[@hjr2000]

​@@panman2568they're superb aren't they

[@sheenodj]

I agree, but I guess if more sign up for his Patreon, then he might earn a living from this?

[@Trillogical]

And I thought I’ve seen the best documentary, Nat Geo’s Air Crash Investigation. Which was a good doc, but this channel is miles better with the information & details, plus the storytelling is stellar

[@lewiskelly14]

I hate longer videos

[@bossfight6125]

Over 10 thousand hours and he still doesn't know how a throttle works, truly incredible

[@but_is_it_art_6657]

Probably panicked

[@potentialserialkillerandtr5328]

If that's the case, there's hope for me to become an astronaut that sucks at math 🤞

[@BleachCowboy2016]

It says in the video they assumed the computer was managing the throttle.

[@eXJonSnow]

@@but_is_it_art_6657 if he completely forgot the basics of flying a plane mid panic, then he was not well trained enough to handle panic. Been in the Navy 10 years and we train and drill so much to minimize panic during real problems and help make better decisions during them.

[@davidt8087]

@@eXJonSnowidk even know how he became an airline pilot. I think in "poorer" countries, general aviation doesn't even exist, if at all. Poor people can't afford flight training, so the airlines there usually government owned or subsidized, hire random poor people out of a whole bunch of applicants and train them for free, and put them in jet airlines way too soon. Correct me if I'm wrong here but it seems that way. You can fly as first officer in airlines in other countries at 250hrs, which I'm certain very few of those are solo or without an instructor. The USA meanwhile needs 1400 hrs PIC in time, definitely hundreds of hours solo, and 1500hrs total to get into airlines, and because it's expensive and not paid by airlines only those who truly have a passion for it put in the money to be one, or go through the military. However lately due to loans people are mid life crisis career switching from their office into piloting and these are some GARBAGE pilots. Being a pilot is who you are but these fake office job "pilots" treat it like it's a job and their flight school as "training to work at the job. There's no general aviation, their private pilot cert and nothing matters except when they get in an airline and get airline money and free travel

[@semicolon101]

Cannot fathom how a pilot can simply forget about the throttle like this. The windsheer warning should be like a chilling reminder to max thrust

[@Halinspark]

Especially considering how many problems are mitigated by "punch it and climb". If nothing else, I'd think it would be nice to take manual throttle control just to know what it's doing as I need it.

[@shawnthompson8016]

It’s crazy. I have zero flight experience and when he was explaining the cycle of how the plane was falling and then pointed the nose down to get speed and then went up and then stalled again my first thought was “can the pilot not just engage the engines at full power to get out of this?!” If that was the first thought of someone with no experience, how did a pilot not think of it?!

[@longdonglarry]

@@shawnthompson8016 same here. it's somewhat logical, isn't it?

[@skyfigurefun]

​@@shawnthompson8016the piloy was panic that why he cant think properly

[@themuffinbg516]

@@skyfigurefun Never fucking mind how paniced you are you should do it that's a instinct but they were old maybe and knew some ways how to fly the aircraft maybe they flew it like a cessna

[@AhmadChuzgapa]

I still remember the day it crashed, it was raining. We were hearing news that bodies were scattered all over the roads, it was chilling. May the victims rest in peace.

[@ifrahabi4834]

Amiin amiin

[@icecreamjunkie6790]

After flying last week for the first time in over 10 years, I discovered your channel. I’ve binged your videos and there hasn’t been one I haven’t liked. Keep up the great work, man!

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

You haven’t flown in ten years?! Welcome back to air transport👍 I don’t know how I could live without regular airline travel

[@icecreamjunkie6790]

@@kamakaziozzie3038I’ve just never needed to. But it was very pleasant! Flew Delta first class in a Boeing 757. My grandma was kind enough to upgrade our tickets.

[@planescaped]

@@kamakaziozzie3038 Last time I was on a plane was legit before September 11th.

[@lucasmotte-michellon3193]

Have you ever heard of something called climate change ? :)@@kamakaziozzie3038

[@jdonovan74]

Check out Mentour Pilot. He does much more than crashes and has the insight as a captain of 737

[@RileyCargo42]

Mans really said "we go with god" and just went for it

[@pogcow4178]

Landed in Heaven

[@a.i0i7]

😭😭

[@RobotWizard4209]

Bro full sent

[@unabrazoatodoslosbuenos]

Funny this is that allah is satan. That day satan won.

[@masayadiaz9030]

Nah u grizzly fa that 😭😭😭

[@remesahnoor8359]

I know a woman who lost her youngest sister in this crash, even after so many years the psychological toll it took on her is heart breaking. She has constant tremors and sleepless nights. Her sister had just recently married too.

[@PetloverTN]

So tragic😢

[@kolasom]

😢😢😢

[@the-red-ghost]

😢😢😢😢

[@AZAN-SHEIKH]

Pilot kay lia bad dua karay

[@German_Painter_69]

My Uncle died too. He was Coming to Visit the new House he BOUGHT in Islamabad.

[@Bynming]

I feel like I've been watching too many of these videos because I can kind of predict what's going to happen and out to get out of these problems before it's explained to me. Feels nice. Being a pilot seems like so much responsibility, it's incredible.

[@Corinne-v9c]

That means you've really been paying close attention. I think these videos, although very entertaining, are also actually educational.

[@Greg-yu4ij]

@@Corinne-v9c when im yelling TOGA at the screen, I figure I’m learning things also.

[@mycosys]

This one wasnt hard, i felt like screaming TOGA almost as often as an 80s frat party

[@onlyonewhyphy]

​@@Corinne-v9cthe type of education "you'll" never utilise

[@RAAFLightning1]

​@@mycosysi dont understand the thought process of the pilots. "So we are descending rapidly and losing speed, lets just wait and see what happens" Slam the throttles into the firewall and drop the flaps! Get the hell out of there!

[@danmyers7827]

Concise, well researched and without unnecessary special effects! Thank you.

[@COOLGOLDBAR]

1£ pls

[@wattage2007]

Imagine being a pilot and not knowing you’ve got a throttle.

[@cryptofxalgorithms]

sometimes who really to blame in these things is really an issue. I mean the cut cost mentality of these organizations in particular pakistani and indian which drives them to doing insane things and taking insane risks regarding adequacies like training etc is really disheartening.

[@dann5480]

Yes you'd save the day wouldn't you?

[@wattage2007]

@@dann5480 I’d know to increase power. I’d have thought that was a pretty basic instinct.

[@dann5480]

@@wattage2007 Of course you'd know, and you'd save the day. Then ICAO would award you for your knowledge and skills. You'd then be a real hero of the aviation world.

[@wattage2007]

@@dann5480 Umm, yeah ok, insane person.

[@Leeooooooo...]

Your videos are getting better and better. Text and visuals that describe the pilots of the flight, slightly more sound effects and deeper dives into the safety structure of aviation (swiss cheese demonstration). Nonetheless, I was deeply interested in this incident throughout the video. It's unfortunate that no lessons could be learned from this crash, and that it ever happened in the first place, may everyone on board rest in peace

[@osamafarooqiaca]

I was 14 years old back when that happened, I was in the play ground and even then I knew the weather was bad and different from normal bad weathers. My home was exactly at the place where I could easily look at the final approach of all aircrafts from the eastern side of the aircraft landing at runway 30 of chaklala Airport (Islamabad Intl Airport) from distance. Did not see any aircraft doing final approach to line up with runway that evening. Went home from playground, only to watch news of crash of this aircraft on final. Had a hunch of getting in microbursts. Stood corrected!. Rest in peace everyone on board. Most of the time any aircraft had crashed in my country, it was due to Captain's ego/lack of training of not listening to first officers and making series of bad decisions.

[@Ethilien]

"God will help us" Instant disqualification for any job that puts you in a position of responsibility.

[@marshmallowbudgie]

God not actually being your copilot

[@pascalcoole2725]

Inch'Allah, yupp that may be true, but the fact that God (or Allah for that mather) will help you does not mean you are dismissed from your responsebilities as a pilot. Lots of good people have perished here.

[@RobotWizard4209]

Everytime a pilot says that they get everyone killed. Its basically sayimg Jesus take the wheel lmao

[@danieljeziak6119]

There is a diffrence between making a sign of a cross before hard duty and beeing like this captain, who basically tought that the God will do the job for them, just because he said so.

[@clato74]

Islam killed....again

[@mayankbaruah3997]

"The off duty crew member in the jumpseat began lighting a cigarette" - That caught me off guard

[@fleshc1131]

I genuinely thought this would be a more important plot line because I was also caught off guard

[@jamesm3471]

I find the air crashes where the airline or bureaucracy sets the pilots up to fail from the start to be especially heartbreaking.

[@AgentMulder1805]

Same!

[@dydx8585]

I’m not a pilot, and even I know about Delta 191. This wasn’t airline specific, they were just terrible pilots

[@dd5617]

He drive into a thunderstorm because of God willing"...

[@someone-wx4ww]

honestly i feel genuinely a little sorry for the pilots. it was the airline's fault for not training their pilots properly however definitely there was some fault in the captain's decision to continue the approach. even if this accident was avoided another would have happened sooner or later anyways

[@mycosys]

genuinely no, @@dd5617, thats just your ignorance. Muslims should use inshah any time they refer to the future, it would have been habit. They would have said it every time they planned a route.

[@mycosys]

It might have been worth mentioning that this was a 27yo aircraft, and one of the last of its type built, the design had been flying 45 years at that point, even the advanced was 40 years old. Im very surprised to see a 200 was delivered in 1986, years after the Classic was introduced. They were completely withdrawn from passenger service in the US in 2008. The plane was old, but the design was positively ancient, and that did have some effect in the incident as he had trained on a more modern 737 at some point.

[@bernardkealey6449]

His -400 training was terminated part way through because he was unable to grasp the basic concepts of how the automation was designed to be used. That was why he left his previous employer; somehow he had been allowed temporary certification on -400’s but he couldn’t maintain type rating once formal training and evaluation began. How his previous “much better managed” international airline let a -200 classic pilot go straight to left seat in a -400 without passing rating is also a pretty good question which says a lot about the regulatory environment there at that time. Once at Bhoja they sent him for simulator training / exam which he basically failed. Recommendation was “more training on automation required” which was never forthcoming. It’s seems a miracle that his 82 hours in type before that flight had not encountered major issues. Given he had been an airforce training instructor, he probably had pretty good basic airmanship and if he had never switched on the auto throttle and was not under the mistaken impression that it would magically handle that all by itself the outcome could have been entirely different.

[@procrastination2204]

The more I watch these videos, the better I get at identifying airplane models. And when the video started I said "that looks like probably a 737-200?" but then a few seconds later he said the date was 2012 so I was like "wait what the heck? Ok I guess it can't be a -200 then so I'm not sure what I'm looking at" 😂

[@RealCadde]

It all really boils down to the pilot choosing to go through a storm system. The co-pilot not preventing it. And the pilot thinking too much about image and career and not enough about what his capabilities are. He was unsuitable to fly no matter what training he'd had because of this mindset.

[@bluedistortions]

Agreed. And beyond that, his inability to grasp the need to increase throttle when it alerts to windsheer highlights his incompetence that had gotten him fired from one airline already.

[@codinginflow]

You have found your calling with these videos. They are so entertaining. And the greatest thing is that I can even listen to them podcast-style because they also work really well without the visuals.

[@rayirth.upside-down]

Plane: WIND SHEAR! Pilot: "NO!" Plane: Ok bro, sorry

[@TRASHBAGFATE]

Lmao

[@hamzaejaz6212]

My father was leading a team of rescue for this crash. I remember him telling us, they were the first to reach there as he worked at the airport and the crash site wasnt that far. According to him, it was a horrible sight, there were body parts everywhere.

[@jayh240]

Yes it was just 2 kilo meters away from my house.

[@LunaticTheCat]

​@@jayh240That's crazy. Did you hear it when it crashed?

[@jayh240]

@@LunaticTheCat sorry at that time i was in University. I did not visit the crash site as most of the people were started gathering there.

[@jayh240]

@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm hmmm?

[@jayh240]

@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm hmmmm..

[@ratgreen]

Imagine you are on a flight and the pilot accidentally left the intercom on and you hear them mutter the words 'its ok, God will help us land the plane' Doesn't really inspire confidence.

[@masayadiaz9030]

They should’ve joined him in prayer 😭😭😭😭

[@ZeroSOFInfinity]

You know that you are screwed when the captain leaves it to "grace of God" instead of better judgment when flying the plane....

[@mycosys]

It would be odd for a Muslim to talk about the future without saying inshahallah. They should even do it route planning etc, otherwise theyre denying the power of god and inviting something bad. They say it like every 2 min.

[@kaykayessien8682]

this isnt the point tho@@mycosys . He was advised to divert, and he decided to just plow through the thunderstorm with god's grace. Muslim or not, that was an idiotic decision

[@mycosys]

That was my point, @@kaykayessien8682 - just a stupid decision from arrogance, and lack of training. The ritual words were false humility for his own determination and arrogance - there was no 'with gods grace', he was saying 'i will make it happen'

[@mycosys]

Guy was a fighter pilot trainer with tens of thousand of hours flying, @@kaykayessien8682 - he took his skills for granted. If he had understood how the plane worked, he probably would have made it, too. Sadly he had trained on a much more advanced version, and failed because he couldn't handle the automation.

[@audreysmith5463]

I agree it was an idiotic decision. God helps those who helps themselves. Prayer without work to save his passengers and himself was sheer stupidity considering that his FO was telling him to go around. Enjoying your videos but I'm now afraid to travel by plane.

[@cccherry05]

For some reason, and I watch a lot of accident videos, your stall description and animation was the first time I truly understood the mechanics.

[@tylerskiss]

Things went from Islamabad to Islamaworse

[@wildside4822]

Love it!!

[@mimismithson5372]

This made me chuckle

[@asthmaticrat5204]

​​@@kama4581no, let him cook

[@faysalmalik2778]

Hahah

[@CosmicAndromedan]

Lmao

[@SamForbis]

Wow, I can totally understand panic keeping you from thinking straight, but how in the world was applying thrust NOT a REFLEX in a situation like this? The only things I know about aviation have been from channels like GDA and even I feel like I would push those levers forward the moment I knew the airspeed was low, or especially if the stall warning was going. This was completely avoidable and a total tragedy for those on board.

[@user-hc8ro9ci6x]

Yes that would be natural reaction to take full power out but if you dont have proper brains then you are out of luck :D

[@bluedistortions]

Agreed, and it's always baffling to me on these crash videos how many pilots don't know you throttle up and trim the nose on a stall, its second nature even after just flying a few casual flight sims. I think automation really has made people dumber. They are so used to the computer and autopilot doing everything. Pilots should probably be forced to fly manually (even if just in simulations) periodically, just make sure they remember the basics.

[@-DC-]

Some people should never set foot into a Cockpit, This is a case in point.

[@jungleflame6776]

i liked the diagram wing cross section demonstrating the air flow, would like to see more of that.

[@heartfeltteaching]

I had landed in Islamabad just hours before this accident. Thank you for featuring it, as many similar channels haven't done so.

[@bradsteelguy9140]

This lesson was learned in 1985 on Delta 191 crash in Dallas. That’s when they developed microburst predictive radar and was installed at all airports in the following years. NASA helped to develop it. I believe all airliners now have it onboard. Even I would’ve known what was going on with the airspeed flying into a thunderstorm and I’m not even a pilot.

[@Dilley_G45]

1985 Dallas Delta 191 was one in a long chain. It basically was 1982 Kenner (Pan Am 759) a fully loaded 727 crashing on take off with all dead. Also look up 1975 (?) Eastern 66, crashed on landing in NYC

[@thermzilla1453]

"Babe wake up!! Green Dot uploaded a video!!!!"

[@jamiecheslo]

Lessons ignored amount to lessons never having been learned in the first place. This was nothing short of criminal negligence causing death and those responsible for allowing this (I cannot in good conscience call it an accident) horrific incident to occur should be imprisoned.

[@KingNikolai]

was really into these videos a few months ago but took a break cuz i had a flight coming up and didnt wanna be paranoid lol, i didnt die and i have no flights planned so time to binge

[@life5161]

This is one of the coolest channels I've found in a long time. I'm a HUGE fan of Air Crash Investigation and Air Disasters. Your channel is right there with it or dare I say better in some ways. Love it. Keep em coming

[@Success_Loves_Speed]

This is so tragic due to gross negligence on all levels.

[@philiphumphrey1548]

I'm surprised that the captain's instincts didn't make him push the go-around button and get out of there. When confronted with a dangerous situation where you don't understand what's going on, I suspect most people would back away for safety.

[@AtelierGod]

He probably doesn’t know it exists.

[@Ealsante]

If he can forgot the entire throttle, he likely doesn't remember the TOGA button was there.

[@ndmb6333]

​@@Ealsanteit makes no sense to assume he just " forgot " the throttle exists , most likely he was under the impression the throttle will just magically handle it self because all he knew is that this new model is more advanced and automated

[@PianoUniverse]

Yes, the go around give you a reset when in doubt, assuming there is enough fuel.

[@bluedistortions]

I think he really felt he was on a divine mission to land, first try, no matter what. No telling how many close calls he had had previously and scraped by, giving him a feeling of invincibility.

[@oladid7266]

Thx a lot for your videos!! I sometimes use them for training my students (future ATC), this one is a good example of weather impact on aviation as well.❤

[@karl46]

Dude! I don't know how long you've been working on the channel, but I just came across your MH370 video yesterday and watched the whole thing. It's very difficult to stand out in what is a saturated market, but you're doing it! Quality story telling. Keep it up!

[@ducky9678]

Everytime GDA uploads, its a good video, all the research and clips, along with the extensive editing and the special touch of how he makes the videos interesting and fun to watch makes watching the 22 minute video worth every second!

[@aru98]

In my opinions the GPWS alarm must be one of the most terrifying thing to hear, just the idea that your close to hitting a mountain or building with a huge metal hull going at hundreds of km/h is scary

[@s.e.111films3]

7:18 It’s absolutely terrible that this led to an accident. That said, this has to be the best line ever uttered on the Green Dot Aviation channel.

[@schmingusss]

You landed us smack dab onto an ad. Nice flying!

[@mycosys]

It really was vastly overstated, Muslims are required to say inshahallah whenever they refer to the future, they say it every few min generally. It would have been habit to say it when route planning, not some statement of faith

[@cookie5535]

@@mycosysits insane. thats crazy magic nonsense

[@mycosys]

no moreso than swearing on a bible or many other silly xtian customs, @@cookie5535

[@mycosys]

Bless your heart, @@cookie5535

[@taridean]

I found myself shouting "hand on throttle" at the video when the captain started flying manually. It baffles me why with all those thousands of hours he didnt think of the basics of flying.

[@ndmb6333]

Becausw he was under the impression the throttle will just handle it self because all he knew this new model is more advanced and automated

[@the-red-ghost]

Exactly

[@taridean]

@@ndmb6333 If under pressure or in any doubt, AVIATE! Ditch the automation and flying the plane, meaning one hand on yoke, the other on throttle(s) straight away so you know where it's positioned. Anyway it's too late now.

[@faisalmohiuddin3684]

For me it was more of the Autopilot error. I dont how pilot could have land it without AP. The only way was to not land at all. Instead they could have land on Peshawer. So the low safety standards have cost the lives of daily on roads and on Air too..

[@CelebrityCandT]

How a pilot can completely ignore the throttle is beyond me

[@dann5480]

Yes, it's beyond you.

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

Improper training, unfamiliarity with an air craft... lots of reasons.

[@35mmShowdown]

It might have to do with his military training as well- 95% of the time I think ex-military pilots are better than most, but those thousands of hours of more aggressive, “the pilot flying is King of the cockpit” mill training can sometimes lead to weirdly hubristic and tunnel-vision stricken behavior in these accident scenarios. This is a case in point.

[@mathemat3939]

Because he thinks god will protect him....

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@mathemat3939 Seek psychological help.

[@David-yy7lb]

I've retired from a 35 year career of flying 747's and during that career i have encountered many micrburst approaching the runway but what i did is opposite of what training has taught, when i was in a microburst and faced a head wind i went full throttle and my speed increased once i got to the middle of the microburst i felt the plane loose some altitude which was expected once out the middle and got to the end with the tailwind i lost some airspeed but not enough to stall the plane because i was at full throttle during the microburst event but went around and landed the plane safely......but the captain should disconnect the auto throttles and took full control of the throttles and went full throttle during his encounter

[@DieselPlays]

just curious. what does training teach?

[@janaclara7045]

RIP to all the lifes lost in this unnecessary accident. But I wonder why the air traffic controller didn’t tell the pilots to go around. Also, if there is a thunderstorm right above the airport, why didn’t they shut it down for the time of the storm? Still, the storytelling and explanations were professionally good to follow. You always manage to find an interesting aviation story and turn it into an amazing video. 🙏

[@MrBsbotto]

That's true. The delicate and classy way you present the facts somehow makes it a little bit easier to process. You never seem to forget that these are real people and this could be viewed by grieving friends and relatives. Thank you for your subtlety and compassion.

[@indianfan1029]

Because for us, as passengers, its about one particular flight or day. But these airports have to deal with 365 days, 24*7. They can't shut the airport off every time it rains. Plus, this wasn't even a dangerous storm. It was made dangerous by the pilots inabilities.

[@larrya7822]

I haven't flown since the early 90's and only small planes. The first thing I was taught during a stall was nose down, THROTTLE ! full, airspeed then climb. Any and every student pilot knows that.

[@bluedistortions]

A lot of these crashed commercial pilots don't know that, and yes, it is astonishing. The worst was on one of these green dot videos, where the stall warning went off on takeoff, and the captain manually throttled down and pulled back on the stick, the exact opposite of what one should instinctually do. One has to wonder if some of these pilots ever had any manual flight experience, or if they faked their certification or something.

[@Benkorn-b5m]

Great video! As someone how is not well versed in airplane technics and other airplane related things I thought you did a great job explaining this tragic but insightful crash. I semi-recently researched the crash of Air Algerie flight 5017 in Mali. I thought it is a fascinating accident and was wondering if you have plans or would like to cover it.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thank you, I'll look into this!

[@Airbus_a320_lovers]

I love your channel. I personally consider it the best one on KZbin, even better than air crash investigation

[@marxe7219]

i lost my uncle and grandma on this flight 11 years ago, still hurts to remember

[@ifrahabi4834]

Sorry for your loss. May All grant them the highest jannah. Amiin Amiin.

[@German_Painter_69]

My uncle was on that flight too.

[@priscilab8758]

another great video, thanks 💖 hopefully one day you can talk about some of these flights: Aeroflot 593, Gol 1907 (mid-air collision), LaMia 2933, Uberlingen mid-air collision, Air France 447, Cubana de Aviación Flight 972 🤗

[@HorrorFuse]

Being a pilot isn’t as easy as it seems. Especially when not trained properly. This shows how just one little mistake turns into a whole chaos. Nice video by the way! Looking forward to the next one 👍

[@ARockRaider]

i think anyone can fly a plane in clear weather, the reason you need skilled pilots is when the weather isn't clear. that's why most of their workload can be done by automated systems.

[@HorrorFuse]

@@ARockRaider i agree too. Flying a plane is actually simple thinking of it. But once problems occur for example bad weather or engine fires or structure damage it gets harder as it changes how the plane functions.

[@ARockRaider]

@@HorrorFuse exactly! i still don't know why putting all that into words feels so messy.

[@justalonelypoteto]

I don't wanna be yet another armchair pilot, but you'd think it'd be real early in the curriculum where you learn that pushing the big lever in the middle forward makes the loud spinny things on the side go vroom vroom real fast, I know this was a tragic incident but I just cannot comprehend how that's not the first thing you commit to memory when doing your license, even if you corruptly get there without a single flying lesson to speak off you just cannot not know how a throttle works. Every automated control can be overridden with your hands or by deactivating the system with its well-labeled button. There must have been a lot of stress for the pilots, I get that, but this has to be the dumbest mistake / lack of knowledge in aviation disaster history, how in the world do you forget how your airplane's thrust lever works?

[@ARockRaider]

@@justalonelypoteto when a situation starts to get completed little details often get lost, this can happen in any fast moving situation. that's why sim training and procedure is so important, it builds in a muscle memory so you are less likely to miss small stuff while trying to figure out something completed in a hurry.

[@daapz]

The state of the crew was just shocking. I've seen some 10-thumb people in the IT world, but fortunately they don't end up killing anyone. Usually. Great video!

[@frost9041]

I must say, "By the grace of God" is an interesting philosophy to take when making decisions for anything let alone flying an aircraft.

[@CW-rx2js]

It's a particular religion that has this philosophy...not hating, but it's that way with the followers

[@taco1010]

​@@CW-rx2js whereas the bible says count the costs. Or use ur head.

[@ExtremeSpeedMewtwo]

​@@CW-rx2js its not even what someone of that religion would be taught in the situation. It should be if God has shown you a safer alternative (aka a safe pathway), take it! Use your brain he gave you!

[@katelynholmes9504]

Agree, the old aphorism “God helps those who help themselves”

[@user-ze9tj9yj4t]

⁠@@CW-rx2jsI hope you’re not talking about Islam. Anas ibn Malik reported: A man said, “O Messenger of Allah, should I tie my camel and trust in Allah, or should I leave her untied and trust in Allah?” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Tie her and trust in Allah.” Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2517 Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Albani This accident happened by way of the things described in this video such as poor training, so the part where he underhandedly takes a jab at his faith is in poor taste...

[@jondav2006]

I'm a Muslim (not a Pakistani though) and I very strongly feel that quite a few of us take short-sighted decisions (whether it's business, occupation, marriage, or here in this case, flying an airplane) and then expect Allah almighty to cover up for our own shortcomings. This is exactly what the pilot did; he had the choice to move out of the way of the storm and yet he pushed forward on the basis of his faith. While it's absolutely beautiful to have a strong faith, you just cannot expect the laws of nature to change just to save you from a disaster of your own making. I just feel terrible for the victims of this tragedy whose last few moments were an absolute nightmare and for their families who'll have to live with the pain for the rest of their lives.

[@indianfan1029]

You have put it mildly. There is no god, no religion. Anyway, its useless to argue with 8 billion people who still believe in religion.

[@technoschnauzer4327]

I feel that most faiths have this sort of issue, not just Muslims and not just Abrahamic faiths, but living in the united state's bible belt I can say this is very common among Christians as well. It seems to partially be not wanting to give up hope for the best, which is good, but often times falls into what you said: expecting the world to change to save you from the consequences of what you did.

[@defski]

@@indianfan1029 You sound very stupid and inconsiderate. There are 8 billion people on the earth, so are you the only atheist out of 8 billion people?

[@mavidoton162]

​@@indianfan1029 if there's no God how are you made? If You would say "reproduction" then what about the first human? How was he made? But i think it's useless to argue with someone who still believes that everything in this universe was built on its own without anyone actually making it when even a measly food recipe needs a chef to make it.

[@Rememberthatyt]

Read a science book 🤔​@@mavidoton162

[@Mightbeyourdad]

It’s terrifying how many accidents are caused by the pilots.

[@hywodena]

Who put this moron in charge, though? Well trained pilots are certainly vital, but it's the airlines responsibility to hire and train the best. I would put blame on the pilot of course, but I would put even more blame on the airline.

[@silrana37]

I kept thinking about that story about the person putting their camper on cruise control and going into the back for a nap. The pilot seemed equally confused about what his controls actually did.

[@justalonelypoteto]

right? they're literally the same in that regard, move the lever (pedal) yourself and it'll deactivate, hell they could've even used the toga button for all they cared it'd have been equally effective, I just cannot comprehend how a pilot forgets he has a throttle lever

[@Sodoriash]

You know its a good day when greendot uploads!

[@amazinginformation2024]

Not good for the passengers. But good for us.

[@DJ99777]

Great to see you upload a video again it’s been a while. Excellent. Well done.

[@PJay-wy5fx]

I was so happy to see a new video being posted! It's been a while since I have binged through all the top channels (you know who they are) and quite frankly, I find myself starved of late. ;-) One request though, which has been made by @katherinesanders3836 elsewhere in the comment section: the loud music is making the video harder to watch for many. For some it's annoying, for others, like myself, it's an accessibility issue. I would kindly like to ask you to be mindful of that, and look into the subject if you want to know more. It's unlikely that a video becomes unwatchable for people who are not bothered by it when there is no music, or when it's not as loud and not as intense. Thank you!

[@Discoboy]

Sweet just woke up and green Dot has dropped a fresh video let’s go

[@nyacoub1]

Great video as always! Great background storytelling and explanation of the positive/negative outcomes. I'd like to see you do a video on American Airlines flight 191.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Thanks, I will be covering that too

[@mahad..]

Man your videos are ABSOLUTELY AWESOME

[@Nabeel1717]

Hey green dot, I recommend you look into PIA flight 8303. That incident revealed a very disturbing problem within the Pakiatani Aviation.

[@helookalikaman79]

21:58 Dude is beautiful! love the video

[@4272005]

Surely applying full throttle is a basic aviation skill.

[@MundaneThingsBackwards]

When you have god and state of the art (20 year old) technology on your side, nothing is basic! lol

[@NorwayT]

It beggars belief that this crew were allowed to fly themselves, let alone take passengers onboard…! ZERO Airmanship! You pegged another great episode, GreenDotAviation! I hadn't heard about this accident before. Good job! 👍

[@LowieX]

Not one to usually comment on how good a channel or video is But this channel is really up there for this kind of content, the tone you set while laying out the story is genuinely amazing

[@bayouflier6641]

Solid analysis. Well done mate.

[@danishj2362]

lost my dad in this flight .... absolutely devastated our family ... Pakistan really needs to look at how they allow these pilots in charge of peoples life.. there has been 2 more air crashes in pakistan after this one ..mostly due to not following SOPs...

[@Calldrops]

Rip to him💔

[@sultanniazi2394]

Condolences

[@ifrahabi4834]

Sorry to hear that, may Allah grant them the highest paradise. Amiin Amiin.

[@BorgiaFawcett]

This guy is so underrated the editing and graphic design is impeccable someone needs to hire him for a TV show or Netflix documentary

[@سعیدخان-ن1ج]

Rule no 1 : Never Underestimate the Nature/ Bad weather Rule no 2 : Never forget rule no 1

[@gooner72]

Mate, your attention to detail is absolutely phenomenal...... even though its a sad, tragic subject matter, I really enjoy your channel.

[@christian9387]

Bro, we need weekly videos! They're so good 😆

[@GreenDotAviation]

Working on it... ;)

[@ytfeh]

Well produced. Thank's a lot!

[@gauribadukale2397]

You know I commented on your video That you are chubby emu for aviation. That was my first video And since then ive been so hooked on your channel that i nearly watched every single one of your vodeos,the production quality on them not only now but older videos is fabulous. You dont deserve 200K subs bro u should be sitting with 2M

[@GreenDotAviation]

I remember that! And thank you, we're always aiming to improve our quality 🚀

[@panman2568]

Stoked!!! New video’. Gonna be a good day!!

[@bobbates7343]

Never fly without checking the blacklist for airlines that are not allowed to fly in the EU.

[@sherrywebster1675]

Excellent research and delivery of the story. Very good narration thank you .

[@SquareNoggin]

Oooof I bet there's more than a few flight sim players in the audience that have never stepped into a real cockpit but would know better than to let this happen. Power bro you need power!!!

[@icarus313]

This channel rocks, dude. Well done! Also, holy living fuck this crash was the ultimate case of every damn thing going wrong at once, from top to bottom! My god...those poor people.

[@gosborg]

Aha! It is going to be a good Sunday. Tea, Bran Flakes and Green Dot Aviation. A feast for the senses. p.s. no disrespect is meant to the families of those affected. My excitement comes from a curiosity to understand the reasons why accidents such as this one ever took place, so the one day, perhaps, I can apply such understanding in order to prevent one from happening. Unless we learn from the past, we are doomed to repeat our past mistakes.

[@GreenDotAviation]

Sounds perfect!

[@jaws666]

​@@GreenDotAviationdo you have a ppl?

[@GreenDotAviation]

@@jaws666 I'm about 30 hours into my PPL at the moment, loving it :)

[@jaws666]

@@GreenDotAviation ah nice 1....wish i could but would fail the medical...flying R/C models is about as far as i can go.

[@betelgeuse227]

Amazing vid, quality is top notch

[@truelovezhayte6486]

I feel kinda guilty at how excited I get when I see a new post because I know it will be a sad story. I just can’t help your voice is like am angel… it relaxes me and I’m grateful ❤

[@potato1767]

my only complaint, please make these longer!

[@GreenDotAviation]

Working on it ;)

[@MichaelCampin]

I started flying in 1982 and retired on my 60th Birthday in 2020 but after 38 years flying, im glad ive retired as its getting too complicated for a pilot born in 1960 to fathom what is changing in the automatic flight decks, im old school and i prefer it that way. I wouldn't even volunteer to assist unless it was an "old" aeroplane with the old fashioned controls.

[@shirty2]

Applying full power in low altitude low speed bad weather situations should be as natural to them as is breathing to everyone.

[@neptune4434]

I remember this on the news so well when i was a kid

[@gammaphonic]

I can’t believe god didn’t help them.

[@brunoruiztalamo3692]

I know right like lameee

[@nealkelly9757]

Allah was feeling ill that day, don't judge

[@bondedcastaway3085]

Ive watched enough of your videos that even I knew how to get out of that situation

[@SkydivingKiwi]

10000 flight hours, unable to use manual throttle....

[@ang47]

scary to think that moron almost killed people before, during 10k hours

[@TheSurgePhoenix]

Too many of these videos have a “copilot calls out information, captain ignores it” progression which is really sad. When they fly I wish they’d leave their ego at the door and fly as a team

[@kevinbarry71]

This captain had no business being anywhere near the business end of an airplane

[@Samuel_E23]

Ive been binge listening to these videos, i love them. Ive wanted to be a pilot for years, but surprisingly these videos makes me want to be a pilot even more lol

[@mindmanner]

as A PAKISTANI I am truly ashamed by what happened

[@zensenmoyatte]

Your videos are so informative :D