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[@JT-lq4yd]

While the single use 1 lb cylinders can be refilled, I went out and bought refillable cylinders. They are built much better than the disposable type. Good video!

[@jeffa847]

Where do you buy those? I don't think I've ever seen any - though I wasn't looking

[@JT-lq4yd]

@jeffa847 My local Tractor Supply and Menards have them, but also Amazon.

[@ronb6182]

@@jeffa847 I saw them at Walmart. You need a special kit to refill them. I know someone is going to post just refill them like the disposable kind maybe true but not worth the chance of over filling them. If it's one pound that's all that can safety go in the refillable tanks. 73

[@mrjoehimself]

Well done :) If trying to refill in a cold environment (out camping, hunting, etc.) I've had success putting a heat source on the large bottle.

[@user-qv2uo2ws1n]

love your videos! thanks for all your contributions!

[@user-uu1wc6yz5z]

Actually , I own a ""Coleman Propane Tree"" . Bought it long ago at our big box Hardware store ..... and no it wasn't HD or Lowes oe Rona or Wally World etc. Its base properly fits onto the bbq tank. Then the tree goes vertically from the tank and has three ports for the hose that you use for your Coleman stove and other Coleman appliances that run similarly .

[@howtodoitdude1662]

Always learning, thanks for sharing!

[@phillyfathead]

Very informative, thanks!

[@thelogicallunatic6004]

You are an extremely useful fellow!

[@hitekrednek66]

Thanks for info sir.

[@ATrain5485]

DIY HVAC Guy, you are one of my top 5 people to learn from on KZbin. Keep up the great work and may the Lord bless you.

[@danielmedina8078]

Thanks for making all these videos, bro! They're very useful and informative. Is it possible for you to make videos for the people that live in the southwest where we don't use a lot of heating, but we do use some electric heat and a lot of air conditioner ?

[@JRScience]

Its also a good idea to spray down the emergency valve and main connection with soapy water and check for leaks in the form of bubbles. I have caught a few leaky cylinders this way that I would have missed otherwise.

[@jamminwrenches860]

Check out Chinese diesel heaters. I got one for emergency heat during a winter storm power outage and it's now my main source of heat. It's cheaper for me to buy diesel than use my resistive heaters.

[@mattkissmyasstyrants8676]

Where'd you get it at?

[@beachbums2008]

NO CHINA😢😢 THINGS TO PURCHASE FOR ME. I ONLY BUY MADE IN AMERICA😊😊 PRODUCTS! SUPPORT AMERICAN WORKERS NOT CHINA SLAVE LABOR WORKERS THISISJUSTMYOPINION. OPINIONS MAY VARY!😊😊

[@jamminwrenches860]

@@mattkissmyasstyrants8676 Amazon, less than a hundred bucks. I chose Vevor brand 2kw. It runs off 12v and will heat my 4 bedroom house all night for less than a gallon of diesel.

[@rokkuanii6922]

I think the Home depot or Lowe's version was the one with plastic cover on base. Which I like more. You can be a bit rougher and won't scratch the paint. Which leads to rust

[@jjaylad]

Great instruction, but I find the part about the weight a little confusing. My understanding is NET WEIGHT is the weight of the contents, exclusive of the container. For example, if a can of instant coffee shows the net weight as 375g, that is the weight of the coffee inside, and not the coffee and the can. Therefore that 1 lb propane tank should be one pound plus the weight of the tank. I always weigh each new container and mark the full weight on it, then refill it until it is close to that weight. You may have meant that, but my old brain didn't intake it quite that way. :)

[@hinspect]

Unless I missed it it wasn't mentioned about drawing a Vacuum on the small tank?

[@ronb6182]

A 20 pound bottle is only 15. I always get my bottles refilled at the Tractor supply store. Usually get about 3.8 gallons of propane. About half what the machines charge. I think you pay for a new bottle in the cost. 73

[@bnasty267]

You definitely want to try to get the receiver tank (small one) as cold as possible and the supply tank (20lb) warm (room temp.) Propane's vapor pressure is significantly changed in a typical (0F - 70F) temperature range. Incidentally, this is why it makes an excellent refrigerant for HVAC (R290) if everybody could just get over their overblown fears. At 0F, propane is about 25psi and 120psi at 70F.

[@pingpong9656]

Problem with putting propane in a HVAC system is the quantity needed in a home is enough to blow a hole through your walls (If it leaks and ignites)... I guess for small air conditioners/appliances it would be good..

[@the_teknomads]

Nice tip, but a bit of additional advise; Clean your 1lb propane bottle with a carbon steel wire brush to remove rust or corrosion before making the connection. Brass fitting threads are very soft, and iron oxide is very abrasive.

[@hosocat1410]

I can remember when the green cylinders were $3.98 for a 4 pack at wallys. 😫😫😫

[@dand3975]

Please tell us all about the 35 cent /gallon gasoline too.

[@diyhvacguy]

😅

[@garagekeys]

@@diyhvacguy u too funny 🤣. How's that divorce going?

[@Honestandtruth]

​@@diyhvacguy Can you show us how to setup and use Oxygen acetylene gauge..❓❓ Thank you

[@Zanthum]

All you are doing by bleeding it that way is boiling off the liquid propane and lowering the temperature of the liquid already inside. Same effect as the freezer. The better way is to use a pair of forceps and carefully pull on the core of the Schrader valve on the side of the green tank and vent some of the gas as you continue to fill from the larger tank. You are trying to vent the gas to lower the pressure in the receiver tank (green here) to allow more liquid to flow over. If the source tank is not hooked up and able to flow liquid while you are venting all you are doing is wasting gas. There is no air in the tank, only liquid propane and gaseous propane. As soon as you vent the gas some of the liquid boils off to replace what was removed to maintain pressure. I use the tanks until they are completely empty then weigh them to get the tare weight, then add 16 oz (one pound) to get the fill weight. Write at least the tare weight on the side of the tank. I also keep a tally of how many times I have refilled that tank. I use the flame king refill adapter with the disposable tank mod to fill them. I tried a hose system like you have but I couldn't get the tank to fill for some reason so I got it as a sanity check and it works great.

[@jimgideon7014]

Do you have a video of your way?

[@garagekeys]

I made my own works better than any one you can buy

[@Zanthum]

@@jimgideon7014 "refilling 1 pound propane tanks" by EL34XYZ. He is also the one that has documented the modification to the flame king manifold on his website.

[@Zanthum]

@@garagekeys I'm not saying you need to buy the flame king manifold. If you can make your own cheaper, or better go for it, but when I priced out the parts the pre built manifold was cheaper than the parts I had available at the time and the one I made myself wasn't working correctly. My tank may have not been full enough, I'm not sure, but I haven't had any problems with either since. My comment was on the procedure not the equipment, except maybe a recommendation for forceps to pull the Schrader stem.

[@Zanthum]

​@@jimgideon7014 I replied to your question already but it disappeared so I'll post again. "refilling 1 pound propane tanks" by EL34XYZ. He also has the documentation on the flame king manifold mod on his website. Also I am not affiliated with him in any way, just a good source of information.

[@davesauerzopf6980]

Is the connection for the 1 pound tank the same as a 20 pound tank or do you need a converter connection to hook it up to your gas grill?

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

Converter is necessary, the 1lb bottle thread is 1 inch with 20 threads per inch (1-20). I use a converter hose to run my campstove on a 20lb propane tank, I also have a 5lb propane tank for portability, the same hose converter works with both of these tanks. I also have an adapter hose to refill the 5lb tank from a 20lb (or larger) tank.

[@pauls9783]

Up to what temperature can I store these 1lb tanks without risk? thanks

[@pingpong9656]

Why do you hold bottle sideways? Also is the Net weight include weight of bottle or not?

[@git_r_done_776]

I just use kerosene for emergency heat. They're much easier to store and probably a lot safer too. Kerosene have been used for heat and cooking way before the use of propane and natural gas.

[@Mike-ox3bv]

Caution ! They can leak if refilled and the more refills the more the chance for leaking occurs ! Just something to keep in mind !

[@ronb6182]

This is nice to know in an emergency but I would not do this in practice. I use those brass caps only.when I take the bottle off the heater or stove. Even new ones tend to leak over time. So it's nice to have that extra seal. I'm not saying you should not post this video but I am saying don't refuel unless you have to. They are plentiful now. A five dollar bottle at Sam's club. It's not worth getting hurt to save 5.00 dollars. My 15 pound bottle cost to refill is about 12.00 dollars I would use the big bottle. Whenever possible. 73

[@kevinorr6880]

Link for that hose?

[@daveyt4802]

We have to remove the shrader valves before they can be scrapped out.

[@craighansen7594]

If you follow simple safety steps this is very safe. The disposable cylinder doesn't even take a full charge meaning it is at a lower pressure than a new one. Just always check for leaks.

[@genemyersmyers6710]

So a full tank will be a one lb. ?

[@diyhvacguy]

Correct

[@ronie1337]

Don't fill your bottle pass 80% full. Fill to 12.8 oz. plus the weight of the empty container.

[@BenjaminHansen]

*Not designed to be reused. Well, there is a opportunity for someone, time to design a 1LB (or 2 LB) canister that can be refilled.

[@johnrocheleau9946]

Used to do this. But I exchange (instead of “have filled”) my 20 pounders. The new ones have an internal safety valve that will not allow propane out when tipped upside down. 😡 Haven’t found a reasonable solution to this yet.

[@pingpong9656]

That might explain why I thought a filled a bottle, but when I went to use it, it ran out super quick...

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

I just disposed of about 8 empty bottles. Guess I should have kept them and reused.

[@gerrilea1]

ROFL, went to Walmart today and they were now $9.97 when they used to be, just 2 months ago, $4.97...

[@BillSmith-rx9rm]

But that's impossible because they claim that inflation is only between 3 and 4%!!!!

[@pingpong9656]

Vote Liberal, you get fascist style price increases... corporations and govt colluding to screw the citizens.

[@joshm3342]

Just checked walmart 3-4-24: $9.87 for 2-pack Coleman, or $5.47 for single.

[@mnight207]

Walmart started selling Mr. Buddy refillable bottles

[@beachbums2008]

REALLY???? PLEASE EXPLAIN WHERE I CAN PURCHASE THESE REFILLABLE 1# BOTTLED. ALL WALMART STORES SELL THEM NOW???

[@mnight207]

@@beachbums2008 Not sure if all of them. But when you go to the camping section and you see the stoves and propane, look in the top top shelf...they are probably up there . They are called the "Fuel Keg"

[@David-lf2ne]

@@beachbums2008Menards has Mr. Heater refillable bottles-$18. The refill adapter is $30.

[@superspeeder]

Don’t overfill these cylinders! They’re only supposed to be 80% charged to keep them from exploding if left in a hot car or similar.

[@HobbyOrganist]

One thing I dont like about these disposable 1# things is I find they tend to leak, guys in the shop are always leaving the propane torch on the bottles and even with the torch shut tight off, sometimes the bottle winds up being empty over time. I dont trust those little spring loaded shut off disks inside those disposable bottles to always seal perfectly every time long term- they are after all designed to be used once and thrown away and not refilled.

[@InTexasMatt]

You'll want to freeze the 1lb bottle first, before filling.

[@wvcaver774]

Do not put to much liquid in the small bottle ! need room for expansion

[@TheBurnsStuff]

I know you are probably going to get a bit of hate on this. Personally, I'd rather have a POL to 1lb adapter hose and use a 20lb (or larger) tank. I get all the safety stuff. If you are someone that is not comfortable with what Dave is showing, go buy a bunch of 1lb propane tanks and keep them in a cool, dry place. Don't leave them in a damp, wet basement or out in the sun. 1lb tanks have so many uses. Remember to respect and understand propane. Its not a toy.

[@TB-LivingFree]

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[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

These cylinders weigh about 1lb when empty and two pounds full. I find putting them in the freezer about 15 minutes will generally allow them to accept 1lb of liquid but I encourage everyone to weigh them afterward and make sure they aren't overfilled. It's perfectly fine if they're a few ounces shy of full weight but not more because the liquid propane needs expansion space too allow for thermal expansion.

[@beachbums2008]

YOUR USING A BRASS CAP ON THE 1# PROPANE BOTTLE IF IT TENDS TO LEAK PROPANE WITCH IS GREAT AND I USE THEM ALSO BUT YOUR USING A STEEL SCREW DRIVER TO VENT PROPANE OUT OF THE 1# PROPANE BOTTLE AND A PAIR OF STEEL NEEDLE NOSE PLYERS TO PULL ON THE SAFETY RELIFE VALVE TO VENT AIR OUT OF THE SMALL BOTTLE. WHICH COULD CAUSE A DANGEROUS SPARK AND EXPLOSION! I'VE MADE A WRENCH OUT OF BRASD NO SPARKS TO USCREW THE RELIEF VALE SOME TO VENT A SMALL STREAM OF PROPANE FROM THE BOTTLE THEN CLOSE IT TIGHT BACK UP . THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!😊😊 OPINIONS MAY VARY. HAPPY REFILLING

[@joentexas]

All commercially sold Propane bottles are never filled to more than 80% (+/-) capacity to allow for liquid-to-gas expansion when there is a temperature rise. A 20# propane bottle could hold approximately 25# (+/-) of liquid propane but will have no room for gas expansion when the temperature rises. Filling a 1# bottle, from the freezer, to capacity runs the risk of a leak or worse as the pressure increases in the bottle in warmer weather. Also, propane storage must be a careful consideration as propane gas will pool in the area of the leak just as water would pool. Propane gas will NOT dissipate like natural gas in the event of a leak. This is a great hack in the event of an emergency but extreme caution is imperative. But filling several 1# bottles for storage is literally playing with fire. Thanks.

[@bombardier3qtrlbpsi]

😂😂😂yup and that's the most people concern is toilet paper. Not survival needs

[@michelle5247]

I appreciate your videos, but why show people how to do something the manufacturer says not to do and is illegal to transport once refilled? Why not show us the same refilling steps with a 1lb refillable bottle? I'm subscribed to your channel, but this lowers my confidence in you and your videos. Sorry

[@leericker182]

You should know better . It is so dangerous stop telling people to do this

[@garagekeys]

So why are you watching this?

[@craighansen7594]

Explain how this is dangerous. I have done this for years and after checking for leaks have never had a dangerous situation.

[@bigjohn2810]

@@garagekeys

[@Discovery123.]

@leericket182. You must be a women.

[@diyhvacguy]

I just make these videos to see all the awesome comments roll in haha

[@Glocktard]

If those 1lb’rs leak I’d toss it, Instead of putting on a brass cap.