They Just BANNED Miraidon.. But Why?

[@Boarbatrice]

Ubers: “We’re saved!” Koraidon: “I wouldn’t say saved, more like under new management.”

[@spand9043]

it isnt really new management because koraidon already owned the tier alongside miraidon. Its more like "less contested management"

[@aldwych285]

@@Boarbatrice Players are gonna spam Arceus Fairy for that

[@misters6749]

@@spand9043even with Mané existing?

[@Boarbatrice]

@@spand9043 So proud of him, promoted to manager from assistant manager!

[@F14thunderhawk]

@@misters6749 fluttermane at most keeps pace with Kor and Mor. whats odd is Moraidon in both singles and doubles took a long time to develop into an actually decent pokemon, where as Koraidon and Fluttermane were already flying on their ground effect sonic boom as soon as they came out.

[@Zyleures]

Pincurchin has an opportunity to become UBERs viable. This is insane, folks.

[@maxlimit9129]

It's Him chain

[@8XYTE]

its him

[@evezeta5182]

it's him

[@tonberry2670]

No he doesn't 🤣

[@Nethaura]

Btw how do you do the 🔎 thing I still havent figured it out ;-;

[@Count_Istvan_Teleky]

I’ve just received words from my agents in the field. Miraidon is going by the alias, Morrison, and is plotting with the horse council to sneak into ZU wearing a Magcargo suit. This cannot be allowed.

[@Reinoiro]

Terrifying implications folks

[@RedRune9]

This is insane

[@HelterwithoutSkelter]

how will this affect the local feebas population

[@Reinoiro]

@@HelterwithoutSkelter Total mass fainting folks i'm afraid

[@jasonthejazzman8521]

Introducing the new tiers of "Anything Goes", "Ubers Ubers" "Ubers", "Ubers UU", "Not Quite Ubers", "Almost Not Quite Ubers", and "Landorus Therian", we're the only pokémon you can use is Landorus Therian.

[@pn8937]

I'D PLAY ''LANDORUS THERIAN''..... Although in ''Landorus Therian'' Landorus Therian wont be too overpowered, considering the possible meta...

[@watsonwrote]

I would also unironically play a Lando only tier, seems like fun to come up with different synergistic sets

[@tecul1]

to be fair, you called this one, and the correct reason back then too

[@Scotia__]

Honestly surprised it wasn't banned sooner. The power creep of the past two gens has been less of a 'creep' and more of a slap to the face.

[@zdelrod829]

I prefer the term 'Power Suplex'

[@greenmcbean6429]

Power Powerbomb

[@HyunHua]

Power 'I'm not going to play around with you, chief. It's over for you'

[@90sbabymilitaryman]

Power leap, not power creep

[@blueskyalchemist623]

@@Scotia__ it has always been evident that GF does not balance the game around Singles 6v6. This gen feels much worse because the concept of Paradox mons really brings the lack of balance to extreme.

[@pikazilla6405]

Miraidon is def one of the funniest pokemon in vgc doubles in particular. Its wild that, in a format where you're allowed exactly 1 restricted legendary miraidon gets away with going "fuck it we volt switch" with basically zero plan b, by far the least complicated legendary in the format and it just sort of brute forced its way into relevancy by ohkoing neutral mons with a switch move.

[@thomasxl200]

Eyewitnesses jave reported seeing Miraidon lured out of the tier by a man holding a tastefully prepared sandwich.

[@Super_Top_Secret_Area]

Players tend to underestimate the clearly overpowered Pokémon. Electric Terrain + STAB is something. But this guy also gets a free special attack boost and Tera is still allowed, plus it can carry an item. Things are scaling on top of each other and people are surprised that it's op.

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

I see stuff like this then wonder how some people genuinely believe power creep is a made up construct for smogon to justify banning things

[@TheDenssy]

It's really weird that miraidon has his stab boosted by the terrain of his ability but koraidon doesn't, koraidon should have been a fire dragon type, or maybe miraidon should have had another typing (like steel dragon or something). They always do that, there is always a noticeable bias towards one of the two box legendaries and the one I like is always the one that gets the short end of the stick

[@rudolflc1684]

@@TheDenssy Well Sun is +50%BP while Electric terrain is only +33%BP, so that is something to consider too

[@ryanmahon1]

@@TheDenssypersonally I like the asymmetry makes them less copy paste

[@Ac3Badger]

@@TheDenssymiraidon essentially has triple stab because of Tera fire. Fighting dragon works alot better imo because of the sets it runs. It would need boots and lose so many of its viable sets.

[@chess_fella]

Jimothy Cool has just been banned from Gen 10 KZbins.

[@hobez64]

Following 3 suspect tests, an overwhelming 94% have voted in favor of the ban

[@lunar9342]

Gen 10 YouTUbers

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

This is insane

[@LukeA471]

..But Why?

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

@@LukeA471 apparently his channel’s growth rate was much, much higher than any other strong contenders in the meta, like Pokeaim, Blunder, Freezai etc. the council found this to be unfair, and thus Jim will have to sit this Gen out

[@DarkAuraLord]

In a format like ubers, centralization is to be expected. What it comes down to is if the community that actually plays that metagame likes what the centralization adds to the game or not. If it got booted, it's fair to say they probably didn't enjoy it.

[@reallygoodsnusnu]

Tbh it feels like it has dedicated sacks instead of dedicated checks

[@zerayo406]

Obviously Miraidon was banned for being too good at enabling Iron Mugulis

[@apiratcc]

Jimothy Cool has been banned for pronouncing GROO-DON. This is insane.

[@edwardhoffenheim3249]

He's right though because it's pronounced like "ground"

[@octopi3018]

@@edwardhoffenheim3249 You just refuted yourself... the top commenter is also saying it's pronounced like ground. But that is not what Jimothy said. Timothy pronounced it /Grew-don/ like you 'grew' some tomatoes. The pronunciation is /Grou-don/ as in 'ouch', 'brow', and... well.. ground. He's just trolling anyway

[@invaderzim1842]

Now we only have 1 electric terrain setter in all tiers

[@santajohnsduraorduraclause4678]

Why use miraidon when you can use my boy pincurchin

[@josephjoestar1596]

Why words can now be searched? Is YT becoming tiktok? 😭

[@yungtoaster2634]

Tera Dragon Pincurchin stocks rising

[@raisp6073]

@@josephjoestar1596for real it’s weird

[@aldwych285]

That’s a shame. I’m gonna miss deleting the opposing team with Electro Drifts

[@Blastosie_Offical]

Just do the same but with Collision Course

[@pochocho8225]

Tbf Arceus is not ban because is broken, it can only be obtein at level 100 so you can only bost it with vitamins so is lock to 100 evs on each stat, and at the beginning showdown couldn't haldel it and when it could people didnt want to change an old format

[@N12015]

Also, they didn't like how Ubers warped due to Arceus normal (Extreme killer) and Ghost (The perfect spinblocker).

[@RebelTrooperHoth]

You’ve made typos here never before seen by man

[@AuroraBoost]

​@@RebelTrooperHoth 😂

[@Cerularge_from_cerulean]

tbh the ban was worth it, like who can fire off a SPECIAL move that can do a WHOPPING 40% to a BLISSEY WITHOUT SET UP, and also cannot be put to sleep

[@borzafror]

chi yu can actually do more damage to blissey but it needs the sun set up and is slower and frailer then miraidon

[@sworddash2365]

​@borzafror notice all the drawbacks you just mentioned. Chi-yu needs a teammate to set the sun, isn't as fast, and isn't as bulky. Miraidon sets up its own terrain, is ridiculously fast, and has solid bulk to it. No wonder it got banned

[@borzafror]

@@sworddash2365 yeah i know, thats why miraidon is now AG and chi yu is ubers UU. miraidon is nowhere near gen 8 zacian levels but its still too strong for ubers

[@CuddlyTheMadElite]

Well ummm 176+ SpA Choice Specs Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Rain: 493-582 (69 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 176+ SpA Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey in Rain: 330-388 (46.2 - 54.3%) -- 55.1% chance to 2HKO

[@Cerularge_from_cerulean]

@@CuddlyTheMadElite 🤓

[@catandfishfc]

The vote margin is large enough for this to feel valid imo

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

This ban killed the viability of all Future Paradox Pokémon

[@spand9043]

The dedicated miraidon counters are the only things that really get negatively affected by the ban, every future paradox pokemon except treads and occasionally bundle was bad in the miraidon meta. The ban helps the tier in terms of variety

[@waaaaaaah]

What Future Paradox Pokemon? They're all OU for a reason (except for Bundle that guy got mildly inconvenienced I suppose)

[@blazie42069]

Bundle: Am I a joke to you?

[@RoughRouser]

Good, paradox mons are a blight on the franchise

[@Forged4War206]

Bro you literally never know what you're talking about yet I always see you complaining about bans and shit. Just go play a game of Pokemon for fucks sake instead of sitting around malding all day about a game you basically only spectate.

[@typemasters2871]

With how Zacian was nerfed between gen 8 and 9, I wonder how Miraidon and Koraidon might get nerfed when gen 10 arrives I predict either an ability nerf from 33% buff to either 15% or 20%, their signature move buff is reduced from 33% to 15% or 20% extra damage when super effective, or both

[@dimaginarylaw]

Miraidon and Koraidon are not nearly as dominant in vgc as Zacian was in gen 8, so I'm not sure if they will be nerfed

[@typemasters2871]

@@dimaginarylaw fair enough

[@GravityIsFalling]

They won’t be Or at least hopefully koraidon won’t be dude is not good in vgc

[@typemasters2871]

@@GravityIsFalling Koraidon and Groudon both suffer from being physical non-fire types in their base form Where’s my base fire type with 130+ Sp. Attack, Drought, and Eruption?

[@GravityIsFalling]

@@typemasters2871 If Groudon suffered from that it wouldn’t have been the 3rd best restricted in Gen 8

[@ToluElswordCEO]

tomorrows video: pincurchin just raised in usage in Ubers, why?

[@mightyshockwave1993]

>Groo-don Ya got me

[@TheAquaMonster]

That's a huge ban, but a very understandable one. I definitely respect the decision to make these drastic changes to the meta for the sake of the tier's overall health, hopefully this makes Ubers feel better than ever!

[@Jfrost9101]

Unfortunately, as cool a mechanic as Terastalization is, it's gotten to the point where it does feel like the core problem with almost all of the OU and Ubers bans. Pokémon that would normally just be "extremely good" or "top tier", like Volcarona or Miraidon, just get pushed over the edge by Terastalizing into a defensive type like Fairy, Water or Steel, or by further amplifying their already potent STAB types further. While I was fine with it early on, it feels like a new vote needs to be considered on Terastalization in Singles formats, where open team sheet isn't that reasonable.

[@thecod2345]

I’ve been saying this from day 1. The list of bans that wouldn’t have happened without Tera is absurd. But everyone said it’s to preserve the identity of gen 9. Now it’s a gen that has identity that no one wants to play. The sad truth is that just like dynamax, Tera was balanced around vgc, not singles. Until the community realizes this, gen 9 is gong to continue to lose players and have the problem of constant meaningless bans.

[@zero1343]

Yeah a lot of those pokemon were balanced out because of their obvious weaknesses. Gliscor and ice for example, it was always strong but it had a glaring downside.

[@BoltTheEmolga]

Tera has always been the only problem with gen 9 Is why Natdex UU is the best format because it’s the only one that banned Tera

[@N12015]

Maybe, but I'll be honest here, Calyrex shadow should have been banned in gen 8 as well considering the meta got forced to have yveltal, Dusk Mane and Eternatus ala gen 1 OU; you NEVER want a meta to resemble gen 1 OU.

[@vyor8837]

​@@N12015 gen1 ou is fine tho? You only outright need 1 pokemon, Tauros. Everything else can be safely swapped out if you know what you're doing.

[@piepie6611]

Nothing like opening up KZbin to a fresh Jimothy video

[@chrisfacchiano7356]

4:40 when you say this sentence I think that it’s a good call to suspect a Pokémon 😂

[@vyor8837]

Just a bit

[@trustme2674]

banning tera would solve all of this, but alas here we are again.

[@feckoff2422]

Koraidon fans be crying, we now know that violet is just better

[@BottleDeopt]

About time you made this vid. It's been over a week since it got banned and no one even made a vid for this topic until now.

[@isnanesavant]

Can't believe we needed to double back on the same reason to realize, yes that is bannable

[@skillhunter4804]

i wouldn't say miraidon is less broken than gen 8 zacian , it just had some flimsy checks[the three ground types you mentioned] that zacian lacked in gen 8, if skeledirge and/or dozo existed in gen 8 , zacian-C and zacian would've taken time to be banned just like miraidon in this gen imo, but banned anyway

[@AnimeALX]

Smogon should reverse the zacian and Zamazenta nerfs for the future since mega ray is coming back.

[@Magikarpador]

im gonna make my own ubers with blackjack and miraidon

[@peterboylan8560]

Miraidon is miraidone. This is insane

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

Maybe soon, Koraidon will be koraigone. Only time will tell

[@meiyagii]

Miraidon is the cover legendary of Pokémon Violet for the Nintendo Switch.

[@strayontheshore]

Unlike previous metas, I don't think Ubers is salvagable this gen. 135 base speed on every mon is just beyond insane

[@cadesummers5866]

I would honestly like to see a Tera-less version of gen 9, just to see what it would be like- would Miraidon, Kingambit, chi-yu, etc be as impossible to deal with without it? What would it even look like? All of these cool mons that seemed so fun while enhanced by Tera also become its casualties

[@austinfletchermusic]

... it's been a few years. It's been a long time. New Pokémon have been added. The metagames have had time to marinate. I think it's time Showdown & Smogon had a long, hard, fair, genuine, probably final ... examination of Terastalization. Whether it stays or goes, it's just ... a hell of a wrench.

[@raresuwako6796]

Pincurchin becomes Ubers pic now or we gonna run terrain extender + electric terrain Regileki/Electrode

[@TheVengefulVadam]

Personally, I'm unsure if Koraidon will follow Miraidon to AG. Now that teams don't need to handle both of the Paradox Cyclizars at once, Pokemon that were able to check both, such as Landorus-T, Gliscor, Arceus-Fairy, etc, won't feel as pressured anymore. Arceus-Water also becomes a much better pick since it deals with Tera Fire Koraidon, while not having to worry about Miraidon anymore.

[@WaterZer0]

Koraidon has like the perfect tera type (fire) which might make it a little easier to handle. I mean you can do for a different tera on it, but fire is so good because it makes you resist fairy (biggest weakness) and powers up your fire attacks even more. I have seen ghost and fairy of course, but it's hard to say no to sun boosted tera fire flare blitz.

[@Pocketgod2048]

As a HO ubers player miriadon was my favorite mon to face because it was so easy to deal with. it is sad to see it go

[@baconlabs]

Imagine if Terastalization just required an item, like the Arceus plates

[@RebelTrooperHoth]

It’d be significantly worse. You wouldn’t have the mid fight surprise factor or an item

[@TheRaidantDX]

@@RebelTrooperHoth Like Z-moves it would be substantially balanced.

[@lanternflyrus8462]

That's the forgotten smogon pet mod "Accessorize"

[@Blackhomeking12]

That would get rid of the point of it

[@WishMakers]

@@Blackhomeking12 That's an interesting argument - it brings to mind the question "what is the point of Tera as a mechanic?" I think back to the optimism of the past, where people were theorizing about Tera type use on specific Pokemon to try and get around their weaknesses. Using Tera in creative ways was the more fun aspect of the mechanic (and in my logic is the *point* of the mechanic), but being able to use it at any time in a given battle is an unusual amount of versatility to have. Dynamax had many problems, but one of the most important was its ability to be used at basically any time and Uno Reverse card momentum. This is one of Tera's largest problems, and imo tying it to an item means that you can keep the more creative uses of Tera on Pokemon that *truly need it* to succeed, because they will commit to its use. Think about how strong hazard stacking is in this generation - if you wanted to pick between HDB or a Tera Orb on Volcarona, which would you choose? Not to mention, the "point" of the mechanic being versatile doesn't apply to in-game trainers at all, where they will use it on their ace for battle flair. I think this mechanic being as versatile as it is is actually a flavor *loss*. The problem with tying it to an item is its use in VGC - that is to say, there wouldn't be nearly as much usage in VGC, which is probably why they chose to use it this way. Better to err on the side of making a marketed mechanic too strong and adjusting it in post, compared to buffing it later and trying to change people's minds on using it. That being said, I realize Smogon leans so heavily on being cartridge viable, but I wouldn't even mind if the nature of Tera fundamentally changed to make singles more fun. If Game Freak isn't going to balance around Singles being fun, maybe we should take that responsibility ourselves. If we can have National Dex, why stop there? tl;dr... nuh uh

[@omnishambles4477]

Banning sleep was the real big overstep by smogon. Just waiting for them to ban damaging moves as they unfairly KO your mons

[@GravityIsFalling]

I don’t get why people want sleep so badly Do you REALLY, TRULY, HONESTLY enjoy sleep’s rng?

[@omnishambles4477]

@@GravityIsFalling Not particularly, but it's a staple of the game series from gen 1 and banning it feels like a step too far

[@GravityIsFalling]

@@omnishambles4477 Unfortunately the player base wanted it gone Maybe next time voice your opinion in the smogon forums and not here?

[@yeet8036]

​@@GravityIsFalling Bold of u to assume that ppl that complain about bans actually engage with smogon forums

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

​@@omnishambles4477 so in other words, you dont want sleep because its healthy hut for being a staple of the community regardless of how annoying it is? That sounds extremely suspect at best

[@r.o.b.xmarie7727]

This is why I play doubles. Singles just is a mess right now with what it’s banning with how insane power creep is it’s nuts

[@sajanramanathan]

The gap between Miraidon and Koraidon for me is that the checks for Miraidon (other than arceus-ground) suck as pokemon. But the checks for koraidon are versatile and good (skeledirge/intimidate mons/ho-oh/gliscor). Not saying Korai isn’t broken either way, but I think the reason Miraidon was first on the chopping block is that it forced you to use awful pokemon just for a chance at checking it. You needed a hard counter to Miraidon (of which there are maybe 2) plus a backup check to stand a chance

[@wiiownsps3and360]

Jeeze. I didn’t expect this to be my morning poop video.

[@demi-femme4821]

I think it was just that dealing with _both_ Lizards was too much. Imagine, if you will, a world where Gen. 1 had a Super Saiyan Beedrill. It has Mewtwo's stats, but with Defense swapped for Special and 255 Attack. In every other way, it is a Beedrill. Mewtwo and SSj Beedrill can kill each other, but they need setup to do it consistently and some variants might match up worse against others, so they don't truly check one another. Meanwhile, you now need to plan the rest of your team around both Mewtwo and SSj Beedrill. Mewtwo answers get torn apart by SSj Beedrill and vice-versa. At that point, the community would probably make a call on which one is the lesser evil and ban the other. One is fine, two is not.

[@nomnom2407]

I agree with you: I love Miraidon as a Pokemon, and I don't mind that it's this powerful, but I also understand it is banned for that reason. Stab + terrain boost is very powerful, and only having 1 potential check (Iron Bundle) restricts your team, so I get why he's banned. What I don't get is, what's next? Koraidon won't dominate the meta, cuz his ability and type don't buff each other up. And EVERY Quark Drive mon loses that extra power/speed boost that they got from terrain. Maybe we could see some mons in Ubers UU make a return, like Annihilape.

[@adriankuester4605]

Miraidon being banned must be the work of Iron Muggulis… he must be stopped

[@rarestpepe98]

I feel he was banned as Terrains aren't as common as Weather Control, allowing himself, as well as the other Iron Quark Drive users to benefit, all while only needing to have a rain setter for a counter. If Koraidon used Grassy Terrain or introduced a different variation of Terrain, while Protosynthesis benefited off it, I'd say he'd be ban worthy then.

[@zero1343]

The power creep in gen 9 has just been a crazy acceleration, I've tuned out of it quite a lot myself which is a shame. I'm hoping that going forward it scales back some, and terra likely wont be back either which im sure will make a lot of the decisions a bit easier next time around.

[@Kirbyfan86_27]

Miraidon has just been banned from Gen 9 Ubers

[@BladeRabbit]

With Ubers and Ubers UU now they can make Ubers a proper tier if they want. Ubers was only ever really a banlist cause there were never enough pokemon to make a tier but now Ubers is the size of OU. Although rising to Ubers sound hilarious.

[@mogalixir]

Banning way later is probably just that the people playing now are different and fewer than the people playing at the start of Gen 9.

[@silveratlas2706]

Hope this means my boy Zekrom will at least improve it's standing somewhat

[@ultimatejoshua1082]

Miraidon's ban will make electric weak pokemon like kyogre, ho-oh and arceus water more common which zekrom can outspeed and destroy after a dragon dance boost. But Zekrom still faces competition from Koraidon.

[@g.mxanthis7575]

Zekrom is about to (Zekrom) Kick the competition

[@silveratlas2706]

Losing Electric terrain is a blow tho, that's why I'm not sure

[@yungmuney5903]

Zekrom being outclassed is more because of koraidon than miraidon.

[@ultimatejoshua1082]

@@yungmuney5903 Hopefully koraidon gets banned too

[@cradiculous]

I am shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.

[@maxlimit9129]

Jimothy, you forgot this exact thing happened to Zacian's base form last gen

[@yuvalwh]

This was a bit different because why use base zacian when you can use the far more busted one

[@timothygarvey5258]

Setting electric terrain synergies too well with Iron Mugulius and its quark drive.

[@zdelrod829]

Pincurchin's usage in Ubers is about to skyrocket.

[@g.mxanthis7575]

Koraidon is next to be honest. While fairies hard counter it normally, don't forget that this is a generation with Terastalization. It can easily be a force with Tera Fire Flare Blitz after one scale shot and a sword dance (unless you bring the very niche bread dog)

[@spicygumbo5002]

Daschbun is the ultimate Koraidon counter. I wish I was joking

[@WishMakers]

@@spicygumbo5002 galaxy brain meta: find a new way to give a Koraidon Mold Breaker (/j)

[@1BlueYoshi]

I don't play Ubers so I have no opinion on the competitive side, but I gotta say it is unfortunate that now the only option for running a team with Future Paradox Electric Terrain teams (a team archetype that I really like) in any tier is... Pincurchin. I don't blame Smogon, I blame Game Freak. It sucks that Past Paradox mons have 4 options for sun setters but the Future Paradox only have 2 Eterrain setters. If they didn't want to bring Koko back, I really wish they could have at least either buffed Pincurchin or introduced a new Eterrain setter that's good but not OP

[@auenboy4571]

I see this as a mistake because as long as Terra is available the next abuser will step up and takes miraidons spot and become the next problem until so many Pokémon are banned from Ubers that it would be a joke to even call it Ubers. It would just be slightly scarier OU.

[@Omar_ZX]

Honestly I never felt like miraidon was such a huge threat, especially with arceus ground getting dragon dance

[@Ecdemaniac]

Anything goes slowly grows every generation

[@marceloasensiofilho3833]

Lots of people said on release that Koraidon was the better box art legendary, if feels good to be able to say "I said so" when saying Miraidon is just better

[@realmdarkness]

Well, as much as I don't like a lot of bans... I do agree that when it comes to pokemon who can exert overwhelming force over even the toughest tier, they should be banned. I'm just glad that it was tested and not done immediately

[@ChrisPkmn]

I feel like GF makes these box arts busted for one gen not out of incompetency anymore, just for marketing. Next gen, I'll expect hadron & orch to drop to 1.2x boost like pixilate did, then drop the damage of drift & collison to either 90 with 1.5x boost or make the boost 1.3x or 1.2x. Finally, following the trend of response ubers (see below for generational list), I'd imagine that there will be a response next gen for calyrex-s, and for both korraidon/miraidon. Unfortunately it could mean the rise of another dominant ground, dragon, or ghost type as the brain dead solution to dragons & ghosts are dragons & ghosts. problems in ubers: mewtwo, stall meta, kyogre, darkrai, xerneas, pdon, dusk mane, zacian ubers designed in response: (lugia/ho-oh), (kyogre), (zekrom/pdon/miraidon/korraidon), (genesect/mega mewtwo/xerneas/zacian/zamazenta), (pdon/solgaleo/dusk mane/zacian/zamazenta/etern), (zygarde-c/no red orb), (calyrex-s/ no z crystals), and tbh no response has been made to calyrex-s

[@MarcBrightside]

It says a lot about how strong this thing is when both of its STAB types have immunities, yet it still feels impossible to switch into. Too powerful, too versatile, enables too much stupid shit with leccy terrain.

[@AuroraBoost]

Whats the name of the background music at the start?

[@emmetth3726]

In my eyes, since Gen 6 Ubers with Mega Ray, the format should be treated like a normal tier where bans are allowed and can be for whatever the tier deems worthy of it.

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

i'm glad miraidon's gone but i'm sad that electric terrain is now unviable in every single tier, it was a really fun archetype in gen 7 and 8 but between tapu koko's kidnapping, rising voltage going from standard electric move to raging bolt's signature move (still confused about that one) and now this it's just impossible to play it anywhere outside of zu or natdex. it is very fun in natdex though, you just run tapu koko with a fast electric type with rising voltage (i'm fond of specs zeraora) and your whole gameplan is just to bully the enemy ground type since rising voltage spam wins on the spot without it (just to give an idea, modest specs zeraora with tera electric rising voltage does 57-67% to standard spdef ferrothorn)

[@toxic0470]

Tapu Koko got black bagged by the Alolan government before it could make it on the plane to Paldea and is being kept in the demo version of Ten Carat Hill along with the other Tapus

[@toxic0470]

Tapu Koko got black bagged by the Alolan government before it could make it on the plane to Paldea and is being kept in the demo version of Ten Carat Hill along with the other Tapus

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

@@toxic0470 i heard tabu bulu got caught trying to sneak galar particles through security, the plan was for them to all snort them while they waited for home compatibility and unlock their gigantimax forms to take ou by storm

[@krypt1ccc739]

Pokemon should have their terra types displayed in the team preview perhaps?

[@user-tb9gq4mw2c]

The future pokemon being banned for being too futuristic this is shocking

[@bdt2002gaming]

Ain’t no way this is how I find out about a ban vote 💀

[@sadizz455]

baffles me how stuff like xerneas and primal groudon/kyogre weren't banned.

[@Poopoocachoo]

I still don’t understand why Smogon hasn’t taken a page from VGC and at least shown what the Tera type is. Idk if it would have helped in Miraidon’s case but some other bans would have been avoided if you made that variable less surprising

[@oscen335]

Showing what Tera Type the mon is doesn't help, you're still playing the same team with the same mons and its not like the randomness is being decreased to a manageable level with some mons

[@Poopoocachoo]

@@oscen335 agree to disagree

[@charliebartlett5768]

I don't know about anyone else. But I love the limited metagames that exist when these new games are released. You get a lot of seemingly unimpressive Pokémon becoming meta staples. As soon as they start releasing things like Pokémon home and expanded pokedexes I feel like I lose interest in the tiers.

[@jaketerpening3284]

I'd rather them take a long time to ban something than immediately ban it. It means that it has more thoroughly been proven to be a problem.

[@yungmuney5903]

I hope the bike lizard abilities get an intrepid sword treatment 😈

[@yeet8036]

They're not op in vgc so nothing will happen

[@DontUseHack]

Its competitive, if the players dont want something. It should be removed. The alternative is, quiting. Esp if you're forced to play at minimum 1 hard counter, to not auto loose..

[@randomsheep1165]

We need a status that can cut special attack in half, like how burn does with physical attackers

[@AnimeALX]

They need to replace Freeze with Frostbite and then we are good.

[@userunknown3761]

My first take on this is that Koraidon should almost definitely be banned aswell. Yes miraidons better, but not by that much. Miraidon is banned for being overcentralising, no koraidons going to be just as centralising. Maybe I’m wrong

[@auenboy4571]

Miraidon isn’t as broken as the past Uber banned Pokémon. It just has the benefit of having a mechanic that is as strong as dynamax as its enabler. These Pokémon in a future game wouldn’t be a problem unlike the likes of mega ray who would be banned in any generation it is in.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

Future mons really just can't have a good terrain setter it seems.

[@blazie42069]

Koraidon, now it’s your turn!

[@AlphabetUser21]

Waiting for the "Miraidon ban was rigged" video, because no way you can have an 82% majority after such a long time of indecisiveness

[@alanpomietlarz4932]

Respectfully, how do you know if the votes that were cast in the ban vote were not rigged, like with Kyurem in the OU metagame? Is this a question of the trust in the system itself?

[@valletas]

Few days later "miraidon vote was rigged"

[@josabro]

we need mega rayquaza back to teach players how a real AG pokemon looks like 😈😈😈

[@sora4440]

Days without Groo-Don: 0

[@willjoyce5013]

If it's wrong they could just unban it later, seems like a nonissue over a possibly better meta coming from the ban

[@SlowRule]

Not another button clicker! Don't MAKE ME THINK I PRESS BUTTON FOR DAMAGE

[@chiefwalks-with-legs9843]

This is insane

[@Blackhomeking12]

Couldn’t ban Kyurem from OU so they axed Miraidon from Ubers instead 😂

[@low-keyvibin3189]

Miraidon has just been banned from gen 9 ubers.

[@ToeKat922]

why does miraidon use u turn over volt switch?

[@Copyrightbreaker22]

Smogon "We ban stuff"

[@glitchedoom]

Can't wait for the inevitable tier above AG next generation.

[@GravityIsFalling]

🤣 😆 🤣 your too funny!

[@MegaMicah12]

Anything goes is pure chaos/funny tier, there is no need to go further.

[@CoralReaper707]

Miraidon being banned from ubers was inevitable in my eyes. Now to get Koraidon out of the tier.