They Might Ban Gouging Fire. But Why?

[@jimothycool]

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[@stephenangeley3249]

Does the outro music link for anyone? It's bringing me to a completely different song and I'm not sure why

[@Bnoopy]

"Wake up, it's time for the weekly ban video" "Yes honey"

[@AmoniPaleo]

Gouging Fire is my favorite Fairy, Water, Fire, Ground, Dragon, Ghost, Flying, Grass pokemon.

[@kaynor1260]

And kingambit is my fav dark, steel, fairy, normal, grass, fire, water, rock, ground, flying, fighting, poison, psychic, dragon, ice, ghost, bug, electric type

[@pandabs6845]

@@kaynor1260serperior is my favorite stellar type

[@WhatIsMyPorpoise]

Ain’t no one using tera rock kingambit

[@WhatIsMyPorpoise]

Even less so for ice tera

[@pandabs6845]

@@WhatIsMyPorpoise it’s a joke

[@lixyo4320]

This is truly Cretaceous Crest’s curtain call, crying currently

[@unnoticed9988]

Rain went away because of the Arch ban so now sun teams are back and so now we are banning Gouging Fire, gen 9 OU is like a house of cards

[@ky-kn6jd]

clearly the fault lies on hatterene who is jealous gouging fire has a greater hat

[@andreivaldez2929]

Paradox Hattarene AKA Walking Hat

[@dez4668]

This dog's day might just be over, folks

[@marcelomelo9977]

Not every dog has it's day😢

[@senny-]

The sun is setting to the lion of flame...

[@Nicholas_Percy]

We should have listened to Florence + the machine

[@deGoomyan5538]

Its a lion dragon. Raikou is also definitely not a dog

[@Llamaguru]

More like a sabertooth dragon tiger

[@AI-DreigonGPT]

Gholdengo : *is getting every of his counter suspect test* Also Gholdengo :

[@zdelrod829]

Finch is singlehandedly allowing Gholdengo to stay in the tier.

[@xham-ik9yr]

Meh, It isnt that much of a problem rn, hazards are not as bad as they where in dlc1 and the tier is full of dark types, a gholdengo suspect would be better by the end of the generation when every other broken things has been suspected

[@xham-ik9yr]

​@@zdelrod829Yeah sure It's evil dictator finch and not the community voting It low on every survey

[@zdelrod829]

@@xham-ik9yr I'm being a smartass, like how Finch made the extremely poor take about sleep.

[@thebumpercar1344]

@@xham-ik9yr : Or, how many things in the meta are currently broken because of Gho? I think people are underestimating how much Gho defines and warps the OU metagame. The fact that UU and UUbers play so similarly (and are way more fun than their "main" counterparts) because both of them are lacking Gho and good hazard stackers/spinblockers is very informative. Gho is a problem, but for some reason the OU council refuses to acknowledge it.

[@dzigayu4944]

Gholdengo check/counter not getting banned challenge beyond impossible+

[@shar.7888]

Gholdengo at it again with his Nasty Plot, he must be stopped once and for all

[@dylldj]

Gouging Fire might be banned before Gholdengo. This is insane, folks

[@francisrichardson4661]

we've been saying this about pokemon for a year...... one day....

[@RevvySD]

Going for suspect rex; undecided on what I’m going to vote. It feels pretty dumb when you lose a game because you sacked your setup gouging counter to a banded gouging, or when you predicted tera steel and got smacked with tera fairy. But I feel like this is a symptom of a larger problem. With no tera reveal, you’re playing a guessing game the entire match no matter the Pokémon (val is another example of a stupid tera abuser that has no check until you know the set). Hoping they retest tera and @ least let it be revealed on team preview. Deducing the set and the mons you need to keep to play around it and it’s teammates would make the game a lot more competitive imo

[@thebumpercar1344]

Yeah, how many of the "broken sweepers" are broken because people predict the wrong Tera type???

[@Thund3rDrag0n12]

I mildly disagree. What about pre-gen 5 competitive where you had absolutely 0 information about a Pokemon until they sent it out? You could be playing a perfect game but if that last mon isn't what you thought it was you could very easily just lose. Deducing sets using game knowledge/experience is just as skill expressive as being able to play around them imo. Pokemon has always had some element of multiple choice and while VGC can compensate for the lack of it through the sheer volatility of having 4 Pokemon in play at once, in singles I think something like open team sheets would turn battles into matchup fishes

[@henriquepacheco7473]

​@@Thund3rDrag0n12 pre-gen 5 did not have Terastal nor the insane powerlevel of current gen. Terastal is a huge problem and it should have been banned a long, long time ago.

[@TheRageBaiter]

I was a tera defender but at this point where like 80% of the banned pokemon are banned because of tera, I'd say it's definitely not a healthy thing for OU

[@grunkleg.2934]

The odd thing is like most people don't want to see Tera banned according to surveys, and it's not even the supermajority to want Tera affected in some way. To that I say "why?"

[@Munby1]

How could this happen. This is bad.

[@cryptooooooooo]

I egree

[@Seetiyan]

One night even say that It's. . . insane.

[@Mage_Nichlas_]

I sometimes have to sit back and think of how GameFreak removed Pokémon, moves, and prevent some Pokémon from learning moves that they used to get for "balancing" and then release Pokémon that would dominate any of the best Pokémon from the previous 20+ years on what feels like a weekly basis.

[@tecul1]

my favorite quote on this channel to date "Chien Pao, my favourite Weavile pokemon"

[@teno777]

The worst offender clearly was Flutter Mane, terrorizing every format, official and non official.

[@MuffoonMayham]

Maybe because paradox Pokemon are supposed to be strong 💀?

[@Mage_Nichlas_]

Any Pokémon, Paradox or not, can be strong without being overwhelmingly oppressive to the rest of Pokémon ever created(even without the needless Dex and move restrictions). Not every new strong boxer has to be prime Mike Tyson in a suit of spiked armor with a metal baseball bat. But when like 40+ "Literal Iron Mike's" are put in the regular circuit(which is now restricting some foreign and veteran boxers and the techniques that each accepted boxer specifically is allowed to pull off in the ring), each with their own new unique weapons(not even mentioning the ability to change their armor instantly with a secret hidden button that counters separate and entirely different boxing styles), *every* person in the boxing world is not having a good time.

[@cobrachicken1869]

I've always been a competitive pokemon fan and even topped the OU ladder a few times in Gen 6, but seeing how many bans and suspects in this gen makes me tired of seeing the Sisyphean task it is to make it a truly balanced competitive game

[@MaahirMomtaz12]

Deoxys-Speed fell to UU because you're right, hyper offense fell off. If you want a hazard setter, you would use Hisuian Samurott or Glimmora

[@nickyheart]

oh god the quote comments are already here..

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

So called free thinkers when they see someone quote Jimothy Cool (they must continue the trend. Nobody knows why and how it started)

[@KBlastburn]

This is insane

[@kefkapalazzo1]

I love them lol

[@Nosue-vw5rj]

It's nickyheart's notorious nasty nihilism, folks...

[@lelandwhitehead56]

@@Gold_Gamer_100it’s free engagement on any topic, guaranteed, for the channel we love.

[@ShadowXeldron]

Hold on a minute, Deoxys-Speed has ended up in UnderUsed? And I thought a few of the class psuedo legendaries ending up below OU was crazy. I definitely think I agree with revealing Tera types. Heck, maybe even migrate to an open team sheet if necessary.

[@skeletorthebest7204]

wait until you hear what happened to Deoxys-Defense

[@mrmangbro6842]

​@@skeletorthebest7204we don't talk about that

[@lucina2111]

You know when VGC has more restrictions on Tera than smogon this is a bizarre metagame lol.

[@Blanka767]

​@@skeletorthebest7204Deoxys defense was never good

[@Kaizer_Ulysses]

I'm a vgc player, I don't play singles. I've been watching u since last year

[@Lumix_Corrupt]

i know gen 3 OU inside and out now despite having never played a single game of it in my life

[@bartekgoda563]

@@Lumix_Corrupttruer words have never been spoken

[@vaporeon344]

I’ve been trying to learn VGC but I have been having trouble.

[@ddgnp1057]

Because the playerbase probably felt that banning the generation's signature mechanic AGAIN for standard play was a bit of an overreach.

[@andreivaldez2929]

Yeah. Very least they can do is disclose Tera types in team preview.

[@boot-4704]

I mean the power difference between Tera and Gigantamax were massive. Changing typing and getting STAB is very strong, don’t get me wrong, but doubling your health, getting stat boosts on moves, setting up weather on moves, and other crazy stuff was too much. It’s also boring, because you only have 19 moves to choose from when Gigantamaxed (1 per type) and that’s it. Every Fire type move is the same, every Water type move is the same, so on and so forth. It was stupid.

[@totalphantasm]

That was like a year and a half ago

[@totalphantasm]

@@boot-4704the problem isn’t power, it’s *predictability*. While you can’t tell what Pokémon will D-max, you should have a really good idea of what moves they’ll have, how to resist them, and how to still deal massive damage back. Tit for tat you can D max in the face of D max to handle it. It still led to really boring gameplay, but it had an element of randomness not really out of line with the rest of the franchise. Tera is a much bigger problem because of its DEFENSIVE properties. Getting a tera right and resisting an attack you were previously weak to is actually mathematically better than a turn of Dmax. But it could also max it’s offense. It could tera into any number of resists, that you have no way of knowing. Tera reliably has the ability to cause a game winning move in the early game just off of a bad prediction, to a point that usually gets pokemon banned.

[@cadesummers5866]

I really want a theory craft meta game from you Jimothy about how you would arrange the meta game if you had total design of it- could be a good long style vid

[@JuacyGuac]

yes pls!

[@xham-ik9yr]

I do think gf is too broken, but this tier would have been a lot better if some people didn't vote no action on tera for no reason And now the qualified player will never have a majority action on tera because most of them are used to it, while many good players who don't like tera just stopped playing gen 9

[@johnblunt6693]

I mean are you really upset that the people who play the generation like how the generation plays?

[@tecul1]

yes bc it's random bullshit that encourages gimmicks to win

[@BiffTheBanana]

Gouging fire will be gorging himself no longer if he's banned, how will life go on?

[@norran42]

If you told a day 1 Gen 9 player that Gouging Fire would get banned before Gholdengo, they say "what the heck is Gouging Fire?" Really makes you think

[@JackieJackJackerJacky]

I travelled back to 2011 and told a BW player about the repulsive act of banning Gouging Fire and they had the exact same reaction. Really shows the level of kinship Competitive Pokemon players have no matter the time period

[@ShatteredQvartz]

I think it's healthy because it made me rethink my strats I center around Unawares like Dondozo and Clodsire as more passive defensive walls (Waterfall, Curse, Sleep Talk and Rest on Dozo principally) And for the DD + Breaking Swipes set I got forced to drop Sleep Talk and start using Body Slam of Dondozo, and now I'm having tons of fun!

[@T0X1CSPIKES]

Honestly, not surprised. Yet another pokemon that Tera pushes over the edge. I mean, sure, there's other factors at play here, but I feel like the real issue is the ability to either Tera fire to boost its damage to insane levels, or defensive teras letting it evade status/gain immunities to certain checks. Look at the ban/remain thread on smogon, CTCs best argument is that you can bring two pokemon like Gliscor and Alomomola to bait out its Tera and counter it. If your best argument is that someone has to dedicate a third of their team to countering one mon, you already know you're hitting the copium. Tera action would've let us avoid all of this, but nope, we'd rather ban 10+ mons that could otherwise remain in OU no problem.

[@zephyrdragon4547]

Seeing Gouging Fire get banned from formats like AAA and NatDex monotype, it getting a subject test in OU doesn't shock me

[@dobaggins9104]

Wake up babe new Jimothy vid dropped

[@lettergrade1279]

Hope you’ve been having a lovely vacation. Missing the daily Jim Gaming videos already.

[@King_Nipper]

Still want to see OU without Tera... might not lose because of a random tera type on a random turn that invalidated the check/counter/revenge killer I had planned on using.

[@laxmigopalsingh3273]

Same

[@Shattered_Starstorm]

I think this might be Entei's best gen yet. With his ancient ancestor being good in both OU and VGC plus Entei himself has been getting good VGC usage. I'm glad to see the most unviable of the Legendary Beasts finally get good.

[@Sedecious]

As someone who doesnt play competitive, I think they should do something like a test ban, where they ban a pokemon (or two) for about a week to see if it was actually bad for the metagame or not. If its better, they unban. If its worse, it stays banned. That way we actually get to see how much they actually shape the game for better/worse. Of course it should still end in real competitive players voting on whether the ban should stay, but itd let people who disagree experience why it should stay unbanned or vice versa.

[@brenoborba5433]

the reason that this might be banned its because counters gholdengo and kingambit, and they would never let a counter to these 2 to be ou.

[@mintx1720]

Archeludon could have kept it in check lmao. If only they banned something else like damp rock.

[@leviistired3621]

I feel like they could have just banned electro shot, and made arch not really synergize with rain Its a signature move for it, so it wouldn't affect any other pokemon, and its the entire reason it was good with rain to begin with, outside of rain arch is a respectable and really cool option. The stealth rock + dragon tail sets were my favorite

[@thenewstyle8704]

The Gen 9 ban list is gonna be bigger than some entire gen's whole roster

[@joghnythegurue2710]

"Guys look! This pokemon can two-shot a bulky resist with tera and then sweep!" "That's like, the 12th pokemon you've considered banning for that reason." "Yeah, cause that makes it damn near imposible to answer!" "Have you considered the issue is the commonality between them and not entirely the pokemon themselves?" "... What do you mean?" "Tera, tera is a pro-" "bUt It'S tHe SiGnAtUrE uNiQuE mEcHaNiC oF tHe GeNeRaTiOn!!!!!1!"

[@jamesgiles4517]

That is so accurate

[@laxmigopalsingh3273]

They should ban Tera in my opinion. gen 8 is my fav gen despite not having signature mechanic.

[@powerbolt2846]

blud really forgot about dynamax 💀

[@alaw4581]

​dynamax was banned in smogon's OU tier @@powerbolt2846

[@CantusTropus]

​@@powerbolt2846Dynamax got banned so fast that it's not surprising people forgot it

[@ArroktheBlind]

As someone who mostly doesn't play Pokemon but checks in on the scene now and then every time i see one of these videos i ask why they haven't banned terra yet when to my outside perspective it seems to be the greatest common denominator in these suspect tests

[@xham-ik9yr]

It got a suspect and 58% voted action on It but It wasnt enough, if It got to 60 we would have open Tera like vgc but that doesn't solve all of the problems, currently only 56% of the general playerbase and less than half of the qualified playerbase want action, only 28 percent want ban

[@CantusTropus]

People were unwilling to pull the trigger on the Cool New Generation-Defining Mechanic back when they had the chance, and now people are used to it so they won't get rid of it.

[@jaimeXDgo]

Sometimes it feels like the community saw Kingambit, Gholdengo and Great Tusk and decided "this is gonna be g9 meta until it's done".

[@HESOMADBRO]

I always thought Gouging Fire was the strongest of the 6 new paradox forms. I think its typing is excellent and giving both Snarl+Breaking Swipe to such an excellently bully pokemon cant be fair.

[@roberteriksen6434]

The name Gouging Fire somehow reminds me of Ceaseless Discharge in terms of naming conventions. They don't really sound like names at all, more like it's describing what's going on around them.

[@CantusTropus]

Most of the past paradox forms are like that

[@Max-qw8eq]

Can you talk about the rise of landorus next ?? And maybe the fall of previous OU / UU mons like infernape gyarados etc

[@IWestrada]

I feel like you're underselling its power level, especially in a threat saturated metagame where it requires multiple different mons to check it and even has sets that cannot be walled. It's a cool mon, but there are way too many mons that need multiple answers right now.

[@zeroxion564]

The thing with the Tera test is it happened ridiculously early in the gen, and the test happened before the simulator was even satisfactorily accurate as far as I was concerned. I remember doing my best to climb that test, and running into a few bugs like Glimmora's Toxic Debris triggering on non-contact moves. In essence, we really should have been given more time to see and experience Tera before making a decision, or at the least, we should be retesting that community decision every so often as Gen 9s ridiculously volatile meta keeps shifting. I wanted no action at the time precisely because Tera as a whole has so many permutations and options that I felt questioning it so early was a mistake. Problem is. For some reason. Smogon despises the idea of a grace period of say six months to a year before reasking certain questions. This may be why King Gambit isn't getting further tests. I didn't even know it had had a test. That one slipped past my radar. And with Tera, I'm currently of the mind that Tera Blast specifically should be banned, because there are more than a few pokemon who I was surprised to see action on, and the biggest difference often came down not specifically to tera as a whole, but to the way tera can shift into a type that nullifies a weakness while Tera Blast also immediately gets turned into a super effective move for some sort of counter. Regileki and Volcorona are great examples. The ability to change their type would be nice but not what I call game breaking, and it only really does so since it expands their limited movepool through Tera. Regileki going Tera Ice would mean nothing if Tera Ice didn't give it a way to destroy the ground types that completely shut it down before, while Volcorona was always kept in check not just by it's typing but by the fact there were like... 5 maybe 6 viable offensive moves for it.

[@luisbonano3228]

New video idea "They might ban me, but why?"

[@seanyyoung4565]

Not gonna lie I’ve had too many games against a Gouging Fire that I had to hope the opponent Tera’d into something I could hit while surviving a +2 or +3 attack. Something and a half is always going down to Gouging fire

[@jormungardwe]

With that rhythim we will see the start of Uber RU.

[@reaper7910]

Can you also do one about the suspect on Miraidon?

[@HenryXLII]

It really feels like Smogon is trying to build a balanced game out of something that is just... innately broken. The power creep of this gen is off the walls, and Tera is a comically overpowered game mechanic. You can rightfully blame Game Freak, but I think that Smogon has some responsibility here. The rigid attitude towards balance was set up in previous gens, when these games have always been a bit BS. (Even the beautiful Gen 3, folks) Gen 9 is the game that got me to finally try VGC, where so many broken mons are running around, you legit cannot fit them all on one team. It can be annoying and downright degenerate at times, but it does create a chaotic playground that feels more honest to how unhinged and silly the franchise has gotten. I don't hold the premise of Smogon tiering in contempt, it just feels like it missed the mark this time.

[@BirnieMac1]

Smogon have sadly always been very hasty to ban, restrict or add clauses I’m totally with you though - Ive found VGC a lot more enjoyable this gen; it’s just less effort to teambuild within the regulations and ends up more fun ebcause of it

[@CantusTropus]

I mean, Anything Goes exists.

[@hug-the-raccoon]

I've missed you Mr. Cool.

[@anasalami1561]

I'll be voting no ban because I'm on a mission to ruin the tier until Tera is banned.

[@leviistired3621]

Incredibly based tbh

[@slappydave4241]

Breaking Swipe makes me think an ancient Scyther - Swiping Slice - or what have you as a dragon bug with technician would be sick Or just a new mon with that typing and ability which would be better imho but GameFreak likes making new Scythers so why not have another? Basically I just want a cool dragon bug fellow, its been 30 years and there are literally several dragonflies that are inexplicably not dragon bug types

[@gbpooky]

breaking swipe actually was the main reason i lost 1v1 in a pp stall endgame with dondozo to gouging fire. i was pretty surprised at how effective it was

[@danielsmith5032]

Me too. Debating putting curse back on dondozo to counter

[@undeadslayer3358]

@@danielsmith5032 Curse doesn't counter it at all. Breaking swipe has 24 pp while Curse only has 16 and the DD + BS set run Bulky Gouging Fire so Dozo is legit turned from a wall to a set up food that can't heal reliably

[@watery2211]

​@@danielsmith5032you gotta run body press

[@aldwych285]

This gen has banned so many mons, like my goodness

[@xham-ik9yr]

I mean It's normal since It has the most power creep since gen 5 and 3 batches of new pokemon instead of 1

[@aldwych285]

@@xham-ik9yr this gens power creep makes gen 5’s power creep look weak

[@mrhalfsaid1389]

Genuinely surprising that i actually think that it's less broken than kingambit of all mons, my main issue is that it doesn't care about will o wisp and once it sets up it is absurdly hard to deal with, which isn't the case as much for other setup sweepers

[@Shattered_Starstorm]

Well look who just got banned

[@chilitofu3512]

jim how's iron crown rn is it good or is it mid

[@jimothycool]

Not great I think.

[@Richie69]

It's a lot better in Doubles tho. Excellent Expanding Force user.

[@josidfin]

It’s actually seen some new usage recently with an AV Future Sight + Volt Switch set when paired with scary physical attackers. It’s still not amazing, but it’s very viable at least

[@Fernanch0003]

This must be an old money scheme to once again dominate the gen 9 ou metagame, since the moderation has already been taken over by iron mugilus, with iron fellow soon to join forces with both. This is insane

[@redwanderer1087]

I gotta agree that a lot of issues with this Gen stem from Terrastalization. It surprised me as well that no action at all was done to such a centralizing mechanic. Ultimately, the public wants to keep the flagship mechanic of Gen 9, and while I do respect wanting the metagame to keep such a core mechanic, considering almost every Mon that has been suspected, banned or even put on the radar has had Tera be one of the reasons for them being overbearing, makes me question if a singles OU metagame with Tera allowed so freely will ever find balance.

[@donowitz172]

Wait, how’s the ATK drop from Breaking Swipe affecting Body Press? 🤔

[@azurai3934]

It doesn’t, Body Press uses defense stat to calculate damage

[@tecul1]

he misspoke when reading that gouging fire uses this move + tera ghost to check it, as tera ghost counters body press, not breaking swipe

[@WombatFights]

I think that there is a simple solution to problematic meta staples such as Great Hat, Gholdengo, and Kingambit: We unban arena trap, and let Dugtrio go crazy once more

[@Voidmager]

I don't have any horses in this race - or any other involving SV OU as I haven't played it..... But this suspect seems to have something in common with all others: the "it's fine if it doesn't Tera" argument. I'm going to just leave that there.

[@Jvgl_2000]

Now THAT'S surprising. I think Gouging Fire is a very sick Pokémon, both design-wise but also for its amazing versatility. It can be difficult to deal with it sometimes, but I don't particularly see it as overpowered?! I genuinely think it's a healthy addition to the metagame, and it can fit in any play style, from offense (Dragon Dance with or without Booster Energy, and Choice Band with or without Sun, although it's MUCH deadlier in the sun. 2HKO'ing Dondozo is INSANE, LOL) to stall (since it gets moves like Burning Bulwark and Morning Sun, which heals a lot more in the sun). Tera obviously makes things more complicated, but I don't really see it as overpowered? Maybe I'm just wrong, but we'll see what happens. I'm shocked this is getting suspected, honestly. I'm probably expecting a 30-40% ban percentage (AKA not enough).

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

im basically in the same position as jim, i've stopped following gen 9 ou and only play gen 3 or gen 9 random battles, but i also like him think tera is really getting old. every single time a new pokemon gets introduced ppl say it's broken, and when asked why they say it's too hard to guess the tera, or tera allows it to beat its counters, but still want to keep tera and ban the pokemon. i get that tera is cool in theory, and in tournaments with very high level mindgames it can be interesting, but the three fundamental ways it affects the game are either greatly enhancing the brute force of a wallbreaker to delete switch ins, making your defensive mons unbreakable, or creating a guessing game when a versatile threat can have 5 different teras, and all of those things create uninteractive gameplay where you often win or lose based on a coin flip. we've had to ban so many pokemon thanks to tera that we literally had to make a new tier under ubers and we still haven't done a thing about it, even if we revealed it at preview it would still just be annoying. i wouldn't care about chien pao being ou if i could ohko it with scizor's bullet punch and not have it randomly turn into a fire type to resist then ohko my hard counter, stall wouldn't be anywhere near as annoying in such an offensive meta if the stall player couldn't use tera to patch up their weaknesses in the matchup, and if it weren't for offensive tera then stuff like gouging fire and roaring moon would be doing like 50% less damage and i could switch into them

[@Interiorcrocodilealigator10838]

It’d make more sense to suspect reshiram and zekrom in OU for April fools than banning goobing joint lighter.

[@nitro5247]

Zekrom obliterated Ubers UU during its time there, that thing isn’t touching OU

[@joshnoritake3167]

Nah, this thing is so ridiculously threatening when it just plops down on the field, and neutral to ice and fairy. Having to use a ground or a rock type is annoying since it’s so physically defensive and has breaking swipe. Dragon type moves are an odd choice for some teams, and usually not a part of coverage options. Even king gambit isn’t as annoying to deal with as this since gambit you have to set up a little bit. This belongs with Ubers 100%

[@dhruvhosali2416]

Archaludon Rain took over last month so less people used Deo-S cuz barraskewda outspeeds it

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Between this and the fact that Lugia is being considered for OU, this really has been Gen 5 OU all over again

[@xham-ik9yr]

Eh I don't think It's seriously being considered, It's just like 5 ppl asking for It and Idk if they are trolling or not

[@Gold_Gamer_100]

​@@xham-ik9yr those who say it in a serious tone are about as skilled as you think they are. And even if Lugia was dropped to OU I doubt it would fix much, if at all

[@ignaciolancieri2208]

Wait lugia Is being considered for ou?damn im truly out of loop with sv,where can i check the lugia thing?

[@SoloSleepp]

Garg always comes when the Meta settles down especially when rain died down curse n protect sets are good rn and also obviously helps check vs breaking swipes sets if garg is tera fairy curse. Also breaking swipes doesn’t affect the damage you take from body press.

[@nitro5247]

It’s the fault of the 1630+ Cabal that are all plotting together to keep Gholdengo unbanned

[@mortimerwake2974]

Gouging Fire is an awesome name, it's a reference to how its fake fire mane is actually a set of blades.

[@autoteleology]

This just in, folks: Gouging Fire might be just a little too outstanding in their field

[@leafyisnthere9396]

I wonder how all of the currently very strong/banned mons are going to play if we ever get another game without gimmicks. Just standard pokemon battles at the core.

[@blueskyalchemist623]

First question: do you count Booster Energy a gimmick?

[@leafyisnthere9396]

@@blueskyalchemist623 booster is an item, so I wouldn't call it itself a gimmick. Are white or power herb a gimmick, or life orb, choice band? These items exist for a reason. These gimmicks exist for a single title(except megas and Z moves), but the items last more than just the one generation.

[@blueskyalchemist623]

@@leafyisnthere9396 it depends on how you perceive it, because Mega stones are technically items too. If Booster Energy is removed next gen and most quark up mons are almost a Pokemon without ability without field condition, maybe some Past Paradox forms can still be broken (Wake, Gouging…) but more manageable. If Booster Energy is added, they will still be broken. Val can still outspeed most of the tier and cause a headache about its set. Roaring Moon still does Roaring Moon things. Flutter Mane and Iron Bundle will still be broken, yada yada.

[@leafyisnthere9396]

@@blueskyalchemist623Mega Stones are items, but they were the gimmick, like how Z-Crystals were the gen 7 gimmick. The gen 9 gimmick is terastallization, not booster energies. Yes, booster energies work as a gimmick, but thats how most items or abilities work in general.

[@blueskyalchemist623]

@@leafyisnthere9396 I mean, Booster only works on a set of specific mons just like Mega stones, so I figure they are also a part of gen 9 gimmick?

[@BigDeetz]

Never thought about it, but yeah, gouging doesn't seem to be something fire does... Searing fire? Scorching flame? Blazing inferno ? Just ideas

[@1BlueYoshi]

Personally, I feel like Gouging Fire is pretty susceptible to phasing, but it seems like phasing moves are a lost art these days. I don’t think I am going to try for reqs because I don’t feel too strongly one way or the other, but I’m probably leaning towards no ban

[@Glop4]

Gouging Fire might be getting banned from Gen 9 OU folks, but why?

[@virtualcolt]

People are saying Mega Charizard Z is coming for Legends Z-A... but here it is.

[@The_Pikaboi]

How does breaking swipe help vs Dozo? Wouldnt unaware ignore the drop?

[@infinitydesu]

I think Unaware only takes into account enemy stat changes.

[@subtodicerat8305]

Gouging fire is balanced they said. it will be fine they said

[@LuLu-uz3lg]

from an outside perspective all these bans really just look like "this pokemon is strong ... and tera brought it over the edge" Maybe Tera is the real problem

[@MongoIndyleo]

Honestly, they should just do open team sheet at this point. Modern OU players cry every time they get beat by something that they didn't expect. Maybe if they had team sheets, they'd finally realize that they're just bad.

[@Saviorszn]

Ngl I don’t think this is a bannable mon. With g king chilly reception support and derge it doesn’t seem too hard to wall especially with E power on derge

[@bene.100]

I really don't think it's ban worthy but I am a curse Garganacl enjoyer.

[@Arktic06]

Gen 9 OU finally has that dog in it, but they want to put it down

[@t2send]

Breaking Swipe is my favorite paradox Pokemon

[@jaceee4154]

Me might get gta 6 before gholdengo gets banned holy shit

[@afineegg1040]

He's out gouging in his field, folks

[@Gold-Dango]

Ngl I tot you would talk about the Lando T's rise in usage

[@myreneario7216]

Let's be honest: The only balanced pokemon in Gen 9 OU is Gholdengo. All other pokemons should be banned, so that people can fight with 6 Gholdengo's in each team against each other.

[@imn_fauler6098]

Like almost every ban this gen, tera really helps it, without it, its probably still would be good but it would suffer against faster dragon types like dragapulz

[@iSluff]

Gouging fire fans when I switch to air balloon Dachsbun

[@yobin3711]

Gouging Fire has done NOTHING wrong he just has a Cool Hat

[@poppyfrancis7338]

Still waiting for the day they look at Kingambit and realize that its basically Aegislash 2.0 with one easy to exploit weakness covered by having a fairy or ghost type, with good strong moves across the board and powerful priority in sucker instead of having to rely on shadow sneak for finishing off opponents

[@xham-ik9yr]

Everyone knows gambit Is broken, but It's the only thing keeping a lot of Mons in check rn, they will eventually suspect It again, just not now

[@watery2211]

It was suspected and voted no ban

[@jonathannushi9183]

It’s because he was outstanding in his field clearly

[@SkywardKkalox]

I've never seen a generation with so many bans before, sheesh

[@SuperPorygon]

O, U didn't know about it earlier? RU crazy?! This is insane, folks.

[@blumwashere]

this is why age gives you wisdom, the wisdom to be a suspect

[@Livvvid]

Since they want players to buy DLC, the landscape is going to turn into League of Legends. They will release busted new pokemon only available via DLC so people feel compelled to buy or just complete their dex.

[@enderluckjarmg985]

How is that like league in any way what

[@CantusTropus]

​@@enderluckjarmg985 The idea being that new, pushed/overpowered paid content will regularly be released in order to maximise revenue.

[@insertname252]

Jmothy cool is now bigger than ever.

[@Nonzerotonin]

He couldnt help it, he got that dog in him

[@pedrohenriquecarneiro3386]

For me, no ban, and ban Goldhengo