THEY'RE LUCKY THEIR PARENTS WERE SLAVES - Killstream Debate On White Genocide ft. Ethan Ralph

[@destiny]

Killstream ft. Nick Fuentes, Dick Masterson, and Ethan Ralph ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKPPp4mofpiXgac Destiny revisits the Killstream ft. Nicholas Fuentes, Soph & Brittany Venti ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoavhYNjop6hj9k

[@commenttroll6933]

Destiny’s comment pinned by Destiny…

[@davenunyabusiness4893]

I love how intellectually dishonest you are Destiny trying to portray this nut jobs as regular conservatives. It would be the same as presenting Seattle Black Bloc as your average Democrat. Take off the training wheels

[@alistairmurray626]

This is Mark Collett in a documentray called "Nazi Boy", hosted by Russel Brand in 2002. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnmofpKNht2Ub6c

[@hwiatslgeord2887]

This was actually pretty disappointing performance on Destiny's part...like so much more could have been said literally at every point he was making...also destiny conceeded way to much to him in regards to how its becoming a cultural norm to be anti white

[@LeiRaion]

​@@Syae22 If you assume all conservatives are nut jobs you must also think that all liberals are hyper progressive nut jobs. Both are wrong. Better to focus on what people actually believe and discuss that rather than trying to mass label people so they are easier to attack.

[@piranhamae8982]

Every time he says “that was a lot of words spoken very quickly” you already know this guy isn’t going to engage with anything destiny just said.

[@DieNibelungenliad]

I just noticed that Marie Kanker , the character in your pf (I had to google because I forgot her name), looks kinda like Powder from Arcane (the only similarity is they are both blue haired pale skinned girls)

[@nationofpigs485]

I feel like destiny disadvantages himself by machine gunning out words like he's on coke because it feels like he's not thinking through what he's saying and only going off whatever floats into his brain at the moment. Just My 2 cents tho

[@macky1376]

@@DieNibelungenliad BatChest

[@ralfy8722]

@@nationofpigs485 As the debate opponent is speaking Destiny is already formulating the argument, so he talks fast because he already has the words mentally rehearsed. It's the opposite of what you think

[@xero0015]

@@nationofpigs485 Destiny has had this debate basically a million times over the last 12 years of course he has points ready to go since the points from the other side had remained largely the same

[@snoopsauce6294]

I am glad Destiny went back to his roots for these kinds of debates, real classics.

[@brandonden795]

I used to enjoy and being confused why people don't but years later I understand why they get boring. Nothing has changed with these people

[@funkmonk5921]

It’s nice to c Destiny taking a break from shitting on the left, and actually destroying people who need to be destroyed, like Ethan Rolf, and his Nazi buddies.

[@Sprite_525]

@@funkmonk5921 as a leftist, we need to get our lazy grifters to get clapped once in a while. I don’t like it when we succeed so well on the cultural side that we think we can just shit-the-bed on IRL discussion and cross-cultural discourse like MikeFromPA, Hasan, Haz, Serfs, NonCompete, the list is almost neverending - these people are all riding the momentum of our cultural success, but exploiting it in the realm of discourses which makes us look lazy and fraudulent - and we avoid it all by getting tested, taking an L once in a while, but sharpening as a result

[@darrenscott6982]

@@brandonden795 Everything mark said is true, no matter how much Liberals want to deny it. FBI report shows 41% increase in hate crimes with anti-white bias??

[@darrenscott6982]

@@funkmonk5921 Destiny always beats around the bush, and never truly answers questions. I see why KZbin loves him because he's pro-establishment and pro-government propaganda. I can almost guarantee Destiny probably still thinks there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.🙄

[@RiddlyTK]

Well one thing I know for sure is that Destiny spoke very many words very quickly.

[@roberteriksen6434]

Why can't Destiny's eyes just detect truth like mine can. Sad. *Tirades about multiculturalism being God*

[@RiddlyTK]

@@turu3498 well if you go back far enough probably. We come from a long and proud history of homo sapien dominance.

[@IvanTheLeiwand]

Destiny, indeed, used his palate, tongue and lips to form a variety of silables which combined may or may not conveyed abstract meaning to others.

[@AK4525]

The only thing established here is that destinys voice reached frequencies probably most accurately described as squeaky.

[@noahc.6901]

And still lost.

[@finalgirlisla]

Destiny: (says a sentence at a pretty standard speed, in the context of a debate scenario) Ethan: YOU'RE SAYING LOTS OF WORDS AT AN EPIC SPEED.

[@ryantate6447]

A lot of gibberish to move goal posts

[@peewee0224]

@@ryantate6447lmao sure cope harder

[@ryantate6447]

@@peewee0224 piss off lol

[@anthonynichol1142]

The guy was obviously trying to prove something. He has a keyboard warrior reputation to uphold.

[@jacobjeleniewski8694]

yea when he said that not even 10 minutes in I knew this was gonna be a long one....

[@Fembro]

This guy debates like a freshman. Damn he’s actually making good points. Ooh I know, I’ll just restate my thesis and act like nothing they said contradicts anything. Brilliant.

[@cryptocaesar8972]

Destiny is the one playing games so far from listening to this debate. He is trying to frame the argument differently in a disingenuous way.

[@doubles7951]

@@cryptocaesar8972 how

[@jackgenre11]

@@doubles7951 Well when he pointed out the the situation with jobs for firemen about testing. Destiny's defence was saying it does happen does not make it legal then saying one example when the guy gave multiple examples. I can give an even better example about racism being ok against people. In the UK we have hate crimes in the books that increase a persons sentence if they target someone for being LGB or if it is racially based. The Iskanic child sex slavery gangs in the UK get an average of 1 year per victim but not even counting that the gang members said in court that they targeted the children fir being white trash only fit for filucking and beating. None of them were dine for a racially motivated hate crime. In the UK your talking around a million children gang raped.

[@cryptocaesar8972]

@@doubles7951 The very first disingenuous framing I heard from Destiny is when he falsely repeated back to Mark his position with the Hillary Clinton lizard analogy to which Mark had to continually clarify what he was saying. Ironically Destiny talked to chat here to say he expected more from Mark at the same time he was making a false analogy himself. Destiny said just because a social media site is banning people saying Hillary Clinton is a lizard doesn’t actually mean she is a lizard, which obviously is true but that is entirely irrelevant to what was being said. Mark was saying effectually all these social media are leaning one way in terms of banning on this issue which has a noticeable and traceable effect regardless of what the base starter intention was. Essentially to summarize Mark is just saying this is how it is and what it’s doing, the fact that we can identify what it is and what it’s doing means that when you continually accept and push what it is and what it’s doing then that shows intention even if it wasn’t the original intention. Destiny was trying to reframe it in a conspiratorial frame and in a way where he could debunk it by saying essentially just because it’s hurting indigenous white people doesn’t mean it was the intention to hurt white people, while again Mark is saying that the acknowledgement of what it’s doing now and the direction things are going and the acceptance of that BECOMES the intent. This is not a true or false analogy like the Hillary Clinton lizard. It was disingenuous.

[@gibson4648]

@@doubles7951 do you have ears my guy

[@BrokeIn97]

I find it terrifying, how people can have such baseless beliefs yet be so zealous and confident.

[@JG-he6kh]

@@will2power773 He's not arguing in the affirmative. If you were even slightly persuaded by Collett, I feel sorry for you.

[@xavi.cat.4095]

yeah haha we would never be like that though our caliph simply has divine wisdom haha

[@willielast]

destiny agrees with him on a lot of things

[@frankjiang1857]

@@will2power773 He's not arguing against that there's "replacement." I know it's a lot to sit through, but his two main points against the white genocide was there's no INTENT (and without intent there is no genocide) and other races are also getting "genocided" according to the other guy's definition because they're becoming "mixed" also. He even states that he wasn't arguing that white people weren't technically becoming lower in number. He's talking about intent mainly.

[@L0neSiPh0n]

@@will2power773 So basically you're saying he has to prove a negative. Nice. Classic move from desperate people

[@FAHSEagle]

If a person of color is born and grows up in England, speaks with an English accent, and belongs to the Church of England, and is observant of the monarchy, why does their not being white make them less English? That's the type of argument I hear some Europeans make, and it really confounds me.

[@kidmidas2029]

These types of debates are always the most fun to watch

[@ataketesamuel9542]

They're so entertaining

[@breeie9900]

I get mad

[@theoverlord4863]

Listening to all his talking trees was hilarious. Like at the bottom of the tree its, "If you cannot refute the statement, restate the initial statement and restart the tree."

[@aono335]

That's usually the blueprint of these guys' rhetoric.

[@hemmydall]

Yep. Their goal is just to spread their "message" as to as many as possible, and restating it increases retention, and in some people, convinces them.

[@angryretailbanker5103]

This must be what having a debate with the owl from Ocarina of Time is like.

[@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121]

Killstream video felt so nostalgic. Felt like '17 all over again. Pre-pandemic, Destiny was still a commie, ya know, the good ol' days

[@sallute173]

Shut up nerd. He’s bossed up Miami style now. Clean livin and all…

[@speedwayjesus2660]

@@sallute173 your name isn't real

[@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739]

Destiny was never a commie just more open to socialist talking points

[@lucasgoncalvesdefaria7121]

@@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739 yeah I know, it's just a joke really

[@thatindiandude4602]

@@sallute173 shut up jock.... I don't have anything to add 😞

[@Anans1_Spyd3r]

25:40 Destiny who has been banned from Twitter and de-partnered from Twitch is an Establishment mouthpiece. The layers of irony and conspiracy are too much for me to keep up with.

[@mattjovanis3923]

Based

[@realthings5821]

Intentions aside. I'm sure he is at times.

[@arabiannights5301]

@@realthings5821 Happening to agree with mainstream opinions doesn't make you a mouthpiece. People like to pretend that their opponents are paid shills when they can't refute what they're saying, it's just a form of repackaged cope.

[@realthings5821]

@@arabiannights5301 When the establishment wants something you want, and then you promote what you want - You are an establishment mouthpiece.

[@tarfielarchelone2674]

@@realthings5821 so the phrase is toothless?

[@-MacCloud-]

"Hitler didn't invent Hitler" 10/10 quote.

[@bradders9743]

its true

[@demammoet]

Wait what? He didn't?

[@-MacCloud-]

@@demammoet I mean, it's safe to say that there would be no Hitler without Hitler. Take that for what its worth.

[@demammoet]

@@-MacCloud- either way, something something Hitler. And when it comes to the internet and politics, that's always relevant, Hitler that is.

[@-MacCloud-]

@@demammoet Very true. After all, nobody Hitlered like Hitler did and it's important to remind everyone of that, in every conversation. Otherwise you might literally be him.

[@davidgn40]

Is this Mark Collett? The same dude that heard the phrase "brother from another mother" in an ad and immediately assumed it was a promotion of "mixed race families" instead of meaning a good friend?

[@davidgn40]

@Dnomyar Akunawik didn't know he finally got removed from KZbin, crazy. Not surprised to see he's still insane, though.

[@crisisOstrich]

"That was a lot of words spoken very quickly" im going to video game myself

[@indeliblyronnie]

You don’t have to repeat destiny’s personality for yourself. It’s okay to be yourself

[@FireGod1101]

@@indeliblyronnie I think that was part of the joke? Not sure

[@Bai_Su_Zhen]

@@indeliblyronnie It's also okay to use an expression if you know people who are gonna read it will understand what you mean.

[@C3Rl3]

@@indeliblyronnie so you have never and will never be impressed upon and you formed your personality in a vacuum separate from society? That's crazy bro

[@lorenzovelasque3668]

@@indeliblyronnie bruh

[@Berxy]

53:23 I live in Rotherham, I can tell you this is the case. This was a massive deal, in a court hearing chief of police for SY(Rotherham borough) resigned after not releasing data to not spark racial tensions

[@jacobedwards4747]

Destiny has no idea what he's talking about.

[@Mant111]

"bUt HoW Do yOu KnOw hE WaS nOt LyInG??11" -Destiny

[@randomhuman2595]

Watch LonerBox's video about this.

[@nickynoir6878]

@@jacobedwards4747 Destiny denies reality anytime he debates someone, and he has a bunch of pathetic clones as his followers. They can get curb stomped by Diquarius and probably just blame it on being in the wrong “socioeconomic area” haha

[@teresazbikowska7094]

46:20 is the start of the Rotherham scandal of grooming.

[@Sephyroth97]

The 2002 documentary says everything there's to know about this guy, he still holds the same positions...

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

Lmao

[@tcritt]

@@Lizard1582 Nazi Boy with a young Russel Brand

[@casuallad735]

Glad he does. Someone has to speak up about what’s going on.

[@Sephyroth97]

@@Lizard1582 You can find it here on youtube under the title "young, nazi and proud-- BNP and Mark Collett"

[@alanbstard4]

of course he holds the same positions. It's the same problem

[@ActualHonestReporting]

Aren't we all already the products of previous 'genocides', only that we have arbitrarily distinct categories today because we selected an arbitrary point in time to create these distinct categories?

[@standingalone001]

The IRONY of Ethan Ralph saying you can't talk about something on KZbin while he discussed that exact thing on KZbin 🤣

[@-47-]

Didn't he say he lost his account?

[@standingalone001]

@@-47- I prefer allowing pro eugenic enthusiasts & racists be allowed to look like the complete idiots they are but I completely understand why a capitalist Western Civilization would de-platform a racist. Blame capitalist corporations & Western Civilization so then.

[@standingalone001]

@Kevin Smith it is, you have an issue with that? Or a point you'd like to make? BTW- while my mother was born in Israel. I'm very against Zionism. I tried to write as much but my comment was deleted. Guess when I expand on the issue, it's censored

[@josiahclarke3535]

@@standingalone001 God forbid you be from an ethnic group that isn't on the specially-selected of good ones, eh?

[@standingalone001]

@@josiahclarke3535 Yea. It's interesting because depending on who you are talking to, who belongs to which ethnic group can be different. For better or worse, Ive always identified as white & been fully accepted as such but my Jewish heritage may exclude me from that group in the minds of some neo-Nazis. It's largely a made up distinction by many who do it based on appearance rather then genetic lineage. And the people who are accepted as white has changed over the years. Italians weren't always excepted as white but in general, think they are now. I doubt most white purists are as genetically pure as they believe.

[@1999_reborn]

The question is do I really want to subject myself to 3 hours of brain rot? Yes I do 🥴

[@tianamaycry]

As if the answer would have ever been no. lol

[@hemmydall]

I can listen to idiots all day if I'm not the one talking to them.

[@davidburrows4801]

I say that before having a drink.🍷

[@fintankard]

I don’t know why this ‘history education teaches white people to hate themselves’ is even accepted as a premise in the first place; the UK secondary (high school) History education most people receive is very patchy when it comes to empire and slavery, and rarely engages with the material in a critical way. My education on this before uni level boiled down to ‘slavery was bad but we stopped it eventually, and that was good’. This is a pretty common tactic of the UK history curriculum and is actually the opposite of what he’s claiming, which is to paint Britain as the motor of change and repair for bad things it was ultimately responsible for. The only time you’ll engage with these topics in a seriously critical or analytical way is at uni. Furthermore how are we supposed to teach the history of slavery worldwide? This guy assumes that we have infinite time in the classroom to infinitely caveat every single point that’s vaguely critical of the nation. Even if we could do that, it’s kind of missing the point of teaching history - which I think is to create a critically engaged citizenry who can understand the future consequences of current events based off their understanding of the past. Maybe he needs to have a look at the UK curriculum, because he’s completely full of shit on this.

[@flowerchild8450]

Mark saw a few 4-follower accounts on Twitter with BLM in their bio that said white people must pay reparations and decided that all Western education systems teach white kids to hate themselves

[@drshlotzkin]

@@flowerchild8450 But that's what's happening. In the US its things like flags and statues, Columbus Day, pretending kwuanza is a real... things like that. There is rampant blatant racism all over television against non-PoCs. Its pretty disgusting at times.

[@24.7SMOKESHOW]

@Pattern Recognized I'm recognizing a pattern. What was it about the transatlantic slave trade that stood out from all others?

[@herrscherofisaf5592]

@@24.7SMOKESHOW they enslaved themselves and had hierarchy amongst their own people - which didn't take away their heritage or history. the transatlantic slave trade is the practice of taking black slaves by white people for economic use etc... big difference to me

[@24.7SMOKESHOW]

@@herrscherofisaf5592 those are not distinguishing characteristics. One is that it was based in racial classifications, and another is the status automatically applying to slaves offspring

[@angryretailbanker5103]

I'm sorry, but there seems to be an issue with the audio. Every time Dollar Store Sargon speaks, I keep hearing Irving Berlin's "In Der Furher's Face" playing at full blast.

[@deebo429__]

Starting the year off strong. Keep it up Miamstiny

[@retrogameintros8057]

Miamstiny may be Steven's ultimate form

[@rudyeb4603]

Every time destiny said rotherham (my home town) our parasocial bond grew closer

[@DSPHistoricalSociety]

Thank christ I've been going stir crazy waiting for Destiny to do something

[@ethandunn7026]

“You can’t have a white person play a black person” Robert Downey Jr. : 🧔🏾‍♂️

[@timoyr2954]

1:27:20 Destiny is a bit too america focused. The US didn't stop the global slave trade, the british did, and they didn't have to fight a civil war over it.

[@seanmac1793]

I think what he might be referring is the banning of the importation og slaves because for most of the Antebellum period the slave trade to the US was illegal and the US did contribute ships to the anti slavery patrols though you are correct the British did most of the work

[@froginhotwater4806]

Only a brit can say it how it is. Can’t this guy argue the points rather being so slippery and fluffy.

[@DhukuAC]

Lololololol

[@montyspa6950]

i think my favorite part of this debate was when destiny said a lot of words very quickly

[@bhuevo6960]

The only thing the white supremacist guy can do is misstate Destiny's positions and fight strawmen it's hilarious actually

[@qqwweerrttiill]

Good summary.

[@bhuevo6960]

@@qqwweerrttiill It's literally the whole video 😂 Destiny would say Black people were discriminated against for so long that some white people are trying to makeup for it and Brit would ask why does he want to make poor little white kids feel bad about something they had no control over 😂😂 like wtf man

[@finnmacmanus5723]

@Pattern Recognized your ability to list things is impressive

[@johnnyphive8197]

@@qqwweerrttiill ??? You agree with OP?Good summary? Didn't watch the vid I assume.

[@davidburrows4801]

Actually it was destiny doing the straw manning

[@Jacob-iz6rr]

Damn, Nigel Thornberry really shaved his moustache and became a white supremacist

[@puppetperception7861]

You are not a color

[@billycoo7916]

The grooming gangs are a real thing

[@PrinceJamesHey]

Destiny is evil

[@flow.6897]

Do you still feel this way

[@wilfredignorance3189]

Oh how I love the argument style of, "I state it's a fact and therefore it's a fact."

[@ffershchhusd]

Millions of views on KZbin doesn't make you "mainstream". I could poll the vast majority of people I interact with on a dailey basis on if they know who Pewdiepie is and 90% would say they have no clue. This guy's inability to realise that is frustrating as hell.

[@indonesianbob68]

@Yussop op well more mathematically 36% of people in the us are under 44. so 64% of the time they will not know what a pewdiepie is

[@4scot623]

I laughed my ass off when Destiny made the “it’s like saying hitler was a great man because he killed hitler” point. I wonder if he realizes how effective quips like those are at getting the audience to come around to his side. The host seemed to lean towards the white genocide guy but in that moment Destiny had swayed him.

[@Anom990]

And as Mark points out that is Destiny stating that Whites are fully responsible for slavery and why he advocates teaching slavery in a global context where Whites as a group aren't taught to be seen as Hitler.

[@melvinklark4088]

@@Anom990 that is a good point when learning about slavery in the us we will obviously learn more about us slavery but would be cool if we learned about other types

[@harrypike5140]

No, the point is that all races across earth engaged in slavery, some still do. White people were the ones who stopped it en masse. The fact that they engaged in slavery previously isn't relevant, because every ethnic group has. China built the wall on the backs of slaves, Egypts empire used mass forced labour.

[@yanowic9107]

@@harrypike5140 The point is that we don't get to pat ourselves on the back now that someone two hundred years ago thought "huh, maybe these people shouldn't be treated worse than animals". The people who fought for the emancipation of slaves ought to be celebrated, but there is no collective pride to be had here beyond that - many western societies were built upon the back of chattel slavery, we don't get to just pretend none of it ever happened or go "Oh but Arabia" whenever we're taught about it in schools. Arab history isn't our history, we'll always have to some extent deal with the consequences of our ancestors actions, and some of those ancestors decided to be slaveowners.

[@suad01]

Modern day slavery comes in the form of the gig economy. both Liberals and conservatives run cover for this anti working class development. Explain this to me.

[@leonarddavies288]

Mark Collett is right, we all know the gangs were Pakistani men anyone in Britain knows even the home Secretary said they were extremely over represented in the stats

[@simondo3]

Destiny thinks Pakistani men are white

[@oli2173]

just not true is it

[@hedoingitsideways]

Yeah the gangs were Pakistani, no one is denying that, the point that is being denied is that the vast majority of the people committing rape against minors are white men.

[@davidwright6591]

Mark's comment on Jewish DNA and ancestry is dead wrong, and whilst Destiny does address it he doesn't tackle it fully. Ashkenazi jewish ancestry is very visible on any dna ancestry test because they have historically been a small interbreeding population. Other Jewish groups, such as Sephardi (Spanish Jews) and Jews in West Asia as well as the Etheopian Jews are more mixed with the populations they lived with and it takes a lot of digging to find that sort of thing on a DNA test, let alone a mass market one like 23andme or Ancestry

[@JoeYDiMeSRaeN]

1 million girls is 1 of every 68 citizens of the UK, even his conservative estimate is one in 680. That shot would be mainstreamed if it was happening

[@ommax8499]

It was in mainstream news.

[@justinkeith50]

Destiny had good points but it generally felt like his responses were so laissez faire and not nearly as assertive as they needed to be. Definitely needed to drill down and get him to actually answer before moving forward. Mark never engaged on numerous hypotheticals and then danced onto the next point.

[@darrenjones8099]

Mark was right on most things

[@Rokaize]

@@darrenjones8099 Nice bait, chump.

[@h937vc4]

Researchers have confirmed now, the white guy did bring up at least one valid point this video. Very many words were spoken in a short amount of time. Well done

[@Rhyds86]

They both look white to me :o

[@h937vc4]

But only one has a girls name

[@h937vc4]

If you are disagreeing with me that only proves I’m correct. Check mate

[@geebster.]

Probably the worst debater I've seen. The very fact that he said...that having millions of views on his youtube with a 97% positive ratio means that there is no reason to believe advertisers would be against replacement theory or white nationalism... is mind boggling to me. Does he not realize... that the entirety of youtube's viewership isnt seeing his videos then deciding to up or downvote it nor are any significant portion of youtube videos on that topic... You cant generalize from a single channel to make any points about youtube viewers at all and definitely cant generalize it to society. There are flat earth channels with a lot of views... doesnt mean theres any significant proportion of society that believes or even cares about flat earth theories. Seriously how does any rational person in a debate make that point with a straight face?

[@jluzin]

Is it just me or does Mark sound really salty about the fact he can't make youtube money anymore?

[@brightblackgrouse6236]

It's not about money, it's about sending a message. Unironically.

[@jluzin]

@@brightblackgrouse6236 Idunno. He talked about demonetization an awful lot. Sounds like it's just about the money lol.

[@Sprite_525]

For a good laugh, Everybody should check out August’s timestamp titles in the description - “KZbin TOS is white genocide, advertising pressure is white genocide, teaching kids about US history is white genocide, Destiny snickering is white genocide” lol 😆

[@paradox_4094]

It's great lol

[@flowerchild8450]

*”Destiny’s snickering is white genocide”* lmao

[@robmaddison8645]

Ok then. Please watch this BBC short educational piece then and decide whether it omits any significant information in relation to the subject matter. This is how this subject is often framed and it is an insult to both child development and the historical method.

[@robmaddison8645]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gp_UmZeErdagpsU

[@heavens_best1905]

@Pattern Recognized what did Jewish people do to you :( ????

[@natmanprime4295]

1:35:37 to be fair mark was not squealing, you were tho. that clearly got to you, trying to get him back with that an hour later. just accept it

[@BleakVision]

Pretending to have never heard about the Rotherham grooming gangs... That is just idiotic.

[@FireGod1101]

It's true. That seems to be a huge british story

[@basquegrand8982]

The fact that you have white people that actively work against their own people, country, and culture I’d say that their is definite intentionality behind that. You don’t wake up one day and decide to hate your own people, something or someone is subverting your ideology.

[@AK-46]

Yikes

[@yoloswaggins7121]

Can you give me an example of white people actively working against "their own people, country and culture"?

[@father042]

@@yoloswaggins7121 Look at any Western journalists constantly writing about whiteness

[@basquegrand8982]

@@yoloswaggins7121 did you watch the video? The guy literally talks about just that for 2 fucking hours 😂

[@basquegrand8982]

@@father042 exactly. And in an exclusively negative way.

[@cmike123]

You know what? My man has a point. We don't teach the brutality of the Arab slave trade. Might have more to do with us ignoring non-Western history, but...

[@kko5779]

It wasn't brutal unlike American slavery

[@MASKalpha]

When comparing the responsibilities of arabic slavery vs european slavery we have to keep in mind the fact that public opinion had close to no weight in the islamic societies of the time, the same can't be said for most european colonist countries during the Triangular Trade. As for the argument about european powers fighting arabic slavery in Africa, it was a mere excuse, you only have to look at my despicable belgian king, Leopold II who used this excuse to conquer a country 60 times larger than its own (Congo) and turned it into a huge labor camp. What a lovely huminatarian he was.

[@Sovereign_sparky]

I am sure this dude would have a different world view if he lived in Luton, Birmingham or other ethnic enclaves where he and his family would feel the full force of cultural enrichment.

[@Sovereign_sparky]

@dnomyarakunawik38 you love the enrichment?

[@jamesreed3284]

I like destiny but he’s making himself look foolish on the rape gang stuff

[@neosav7476]

@@meteorjuice4088 he spread falsehoods about the systematic sexual abuse of children, which is disgusting and makes me physically ill. Do your own research on these abuses and try not to throw up.

[@galacticspecter4364]

Holy shit this guy is an actual videogame NPC with a rigid dialogue tree. Destiny tries to dissect his ideas for clarity and he just cries about “you’re trying to sneak around me!”. He never actually engages destiny.

[@Maikeruno]

Then just repeats his same talking points over and over ad nauseum

[@father042]

And Destiny keeps dodging qustions and splitting hairs

[@nickynoir6878]

@@father042 That’s his only annoying/bullshit tactic. That and completely ignoring reality.

[@neosav7476]

Destiny’s strategy is literally to avoid and to obfuscate and to not engage with the argument directly.

[@yanowic9107]

@@father042 Mark's strategy is to get completely ass-blasted in a debate and then instruct his moronic followers to go and brigade the video where he was eviscerated.

[@sivervipa]

Oh boy a killstream debate! Glad there are still some people om the right willing to debate atleast 1 of the 2 larger content creators that will do it.

[@emiliocittadini6451]

The problem is the opposite, and Destiny's performance shows (at least in the beginning).

[@sivervipa]

No I want Nazi's to step up and embarras themselves when they debate Vaush and Destiny because it will be hilarious.

[@emiliocittadini6451]

@@sivervipa Lol. Ok midwit.

[@sivervipa]

@@emiliocittadini6451 You actually think these fascists look good when they debate destiny? I almost feel bad for you.

[@I8one2Many]

@@sivervipa Who would want to debate glowie vaush

[@wolfensteinabsolutely8715]

Mark posted a link to this and instructed his fanbase to brigade the comment section after /pol/ called him a moron for his poor performance 😂

[@woodsofchaos]

can you link the /pol/ thread?

[@whasian1487]

Not surprised. People obsessed about white replacement are just as bad as super woke leftists. Both are obsessed with race. Two sides of the same coin.

[@alanbstard4]

moron maybe but he still won on facts

[@damnedifido1062]

@@alanbstard4 No he didn’t. If he real did then the comments wouldn’t be filled with his fanboys seething and coping. Go outside little man

[@damnedifido1062]

@@alanbstard4 You follow a bunch of channels that spew similar nonsense to the arguments he was making so ofc you think he won. But in the real world, we know what really happened. So stay mad nazbol LOL

[@linohugo97]

So right at the beginning (after my millionth watch lmao) you can tell this dude has not given any thought to any nuance when he calls Destiny's point of "If you define a person who is of mixed race as "mixed race" and not by the races of their parents, then isn't everyone being genocide?" As ridiculous, when that's the natural conclusion by his own logic 💀

[@darkcognitive]

I normally agree with Destiny on a lot of issues, but he's just wrong about the grooming gang situation in the UK and 10 minutes of actual prep would have shown him that, instead he chooses to google it mid debate and take the first result he see's and starts using that in a counter-argument. The grooming gangs were absolutely mostly non whites, and it was absolutely covered up by the police and government - this is now fact. We now have loads of inquiries investigating why it was allowed to happen and why Islamic males were allowed to get away with it for so long. White people who spoke up about it were shut down and minimalised by the authorities and the press. When you live in a small country like the UK, issues like this are much easier to see because it happens on your doorstep. We have massive swathes of our cities, mainly in England, populated almost entirely by Muslim immigrants and one walk through those neighbourhoods will show you what a hell hole they have become. When it becomes unsafe to walk through parts of your own country then of course people are going to start fighting back against it. This is happening all across the world, I've yet to see one good example of multiculturalism actually working.

[@yungbeef8444]

You have to understand that the way Mark argues the point is not effective. Destiny and his orbiters are really fucking stupid, pedantic and stubborn sometimes like most of us on the internet, however when you try to sell the topic as a Jewish led state-level invasion meant to destroy white people obviously Destiny is going to argue against that point. That's why even this video has the little cuck blurb under the title about wyt gemocide.. sometimes wignats and zealots do more damage than any deboonker can

[@KWH616]

I exist, that worked .

[@monsterstoner]

I like how he had a problem with black people playing White historical roles but has no problem with white people playing Egyptian people in movies that is crazy

[@buymybooks437]

Or white people playing Jesus

[@MikeYm98875]

Well u kno wat they can make thier own movies

[@Scho_]

The response “hilarious” at 33:30 is genius lmao

[@LennyCash777]

Genius in what way? He was simply being dismissive of Mark's completely valid point.

[@Scho_]

@@LennyCash777 I see thru this bait 😂

[@hardphlex]

imagine believing in great replacement theory

[@beastmodecowboy209]

For being a white supremacist his teeth are very yellow

[@MariusTeodorParaschiv]

I dare you to debate Jared Taylor.

[@aurockscastillo5460]

Didn't he get smashed by tim wise ,and has been carefull to talk about jew s ever since ?

[@karthain5742]

Destiny might do this later in the video, but if he hasn’t, he should’ve asked, “what if there was another MP who said the opposite? “What makes you believe one over the other?

[@Luckismyfather]

He would’ve just said that the MP who said the opposite of what he believes in was just being pushed to lie by the mainstream media or som dumb shi

[@vnci9644]

Destiny lost nearly every talking point by feigning naivete. He got crushed.

[@bertthompson4748]

Hahaha. Thats why he addressed everything directly while the other guy had to pivot every time he was asked a question

[@jonk3714]

Bro ppl that say destiny talks fast are slow af. I listen to these in 2X speed…

[@brandonden795]

Get the plugin that goes beyond to 3x and 4x. You're ready.

[@neosav7476]

It’s no so much that he speaks quickly, it’s that’s he speaks nonsense quickly. Perhaps if he slowed down to think about what he should say he wouldn’t come off as so ignorant.

[@jonk3714]

@@neosav7476 if u can’t comprehend his points just say dat

[@jonoxes8662]

WOAH he's back on the KS. This is gonna be good.

[@vincentvincent5710]

You know the guy is right destiny just admit it

[@pugly747]

Destiny deliberately misrepresenting what was said and complaining about being called slippery as a personal attack then calls the other person a moron and neo nazi 🙄 If you think personal attacks are a sign of a weak argument how come it's ok for you Destiny?

[@simondo3]

Because he is a shill and a worm

[@Alieth]

Examples?

[@Rhyds86]

Anyone here deny the grooming gangs?

[@FireGod1101]

Nope. Just the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

[@yoloswaggins7121]

I deny the narrative that there is an endemic of Indian grooming gangs targeting white children. Groomers exists, but this narrative is just racist propaganda.

[@NavyNukerz1337]

This debate is the rpg equivalent to returning to Goodsprings/Seyda Neen/Tristram at max level

[@Ms_Paradox]

The every day fear that Mark must live with is astounding. I honestly feel kinda sorry for him being under that kind of pressure. Grant you it's a pressure of his own minds making but wow it must suck!

[@vandl107]

Reality is unavoidable, lest we wind up taking experimental forced vaccines...

[@KabukiJava]

honestly same i can't imagine thinking this hard about your race on a daily basis life's stressful enough

[@HarryNott]

@@vandl107 What?

[@yoloswaggins7121]

@@vandl107 It's not experimental.

[@yoloswaggins7121]

Mark doesn't really believe what he is saying. He just sees these talking points as good vehicles for advancing the cause of white supremacy. But yeah, I kind of feel bad for all the idiots who buy into this sort of propaganda. They must live in constant fear.

[@ItsMeTyler]

Hes got a point about anti white sentiment being allowed on "private" platforms yet the opposite opinion you get shit canned.

[@ItsMeTyler]

@@georgeallen7487 People with a working brain. If anti white hate rises, so does white extremism.

[@nueks_2764]

@@georgeallen7487 i care, im white

[@SI-cd7xs]

@@georgeallen7487 you should care if you're white, you dysgenic freak

[@eigna8914]

How is he saying that opinion right now then? Was he banned or blocked...we heard his stupidity.

[@eigna8914]

@@nueks_2764 well get used to it. 😂🤣😂

[@mrarroyo1990]

I always feel so weird listening to debates like this. Its like listening to rational and completely delusional clash but then people who are actually on the delusional side commenting is just shocking.

[@I8one2Many]

ADL thinks "its ok to be W" is W supreme.

[@extremedrumming3393]

No, they say it's a dog whistle, which it is.

[@I8one2Many]

@@extremedrumming3393 What kind of dog whistle is BLM?

[@I8one2Many]

@@extremedrumming3393 Funny that a group from an ethno state founded by B'nai B'rith states that it is committed to the security and continuity of the Jewish people and the State of Israel gets to tell Americans that they are bad for wanting the same.

[@BTAMuscle]

Never heard of the Arab slave trade tbh

[@oscargreat]

Destiny is such an abhorrent bower to the chew it´s not even funny.

[@samsapper2658]

He's talked some crap but he's absolutely right about the grooming gangs.

[@SteveDawgNZ]

He couldn't even provide any evidence of it.

[@samsapper2658]

@@SteveDawgNZ I know. Utterly painful to watch.

[@emptyblank099a]

@@SteveDawgNZ ??He cited the evidence are you deaf?

[@SteveDawgNZ]

@@emptyblank099a What evidence did he cite?

[@TheMasteratLink]

@@SteveDawgNZ I LOOK AT THE PICTURES, JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURES

[@calculator91]

You argue whites only eliminated slavery after their economies benefited off the backs of slaves. Why didn't Brazil or the middle-east grow to the same or a superior degree than America, considering those two places received the vast majority of African slaves?

[@kevinsavage808]

I find your gaming on-screen so annoying I have to scroll the screen up and miss the visual side of the debate

[@mrlegkick91]

Yep.. he's like a fkin ten year old clicking his clicking his mouse relentlessly. So obnoxious...

[@eclipsez0r]

Mark Collett won easily

[@QuestAcceptedTV]

I couldn't make it through this one. That guy's brain is actually melting out of his ears.

[@DragonAlchemist0]

(Conspiracist) I see a pattern. Its a hidden message in my cereal. It spells. Ooooooooooooo! (Me): Your eating Cheerio's...........

[@CaptainCastle]

Man you flubbed the oldest joke in the book lol

[@mrmeaner827]

The psy-op rant made me LOL didn't know destiny was so funny, I come here when I need de-radicalizing and I'm never disappointed these days.

[@largedepresso4913]

Lmao yeah guy is hilarious

[@calincarrasco3811]

M mmop

[@GigaNietzsche]

“When I need de radicalizing” Goodness you people are pathetic

[@anonymouswhiterabbit]

“Disgusting!” 😂😂😂

[@oakabielb5406]

As a brit, this guy clutching at vague articles by the sun, daily mail and sky news is hilarious.

[@int537]

*Watching on youtube* You literally cannot platform my views on youtube. *An ad plays* 👁 👄 👁

[@jacknickelson8096]

Am I center left? Because I agree with Destiny's takes quite a bit eventhough I'm distrustful of establishment types.

[@betterthanrae8137]

dude said HALF of all adult americans have been banned of all social media platforms. (*half compared to the approx half who support(ed) trump) there is no way he ACTUALLY thinks that.....right?!

[@riderofthewhitehorse8879]

Mark Collett won this. I'll never forget Destiny's being on coke excuse when he initially was supposed to debate Collett.

[@brightblackgrouse6236]

It was meth lol

[@riderofthewhitehorse8879]

@@brightblackgrouse6236 even worse.

[@nomercynodragonforyou9688]

Mark sucked

[@solarian_13]

This dude is amazing at restating what Destiny said and then completely segwaying into an entirely different topic and getting mad at Destiny for not answering his double topic.

[@demammoet]

So much cope, it's brilliant.

[@angryengine9616]

The reality you exist in is hilarious and so false, Im flabbergasted. Lmfao.

[@tclax27]

Let's think of some reasons why swimming could be such a white dominated sport. It's been more of a country club sport. Sure there is water everywhere to swim in but training happens in pools. Pools which people of color generally weren't allowed in for much of US history. It's also a huge privilege to have a giant hole in the ground filled with water that can't be used to drink wash or cook with so that's why you don't typically see swimming pools in poorer countries. Increase access to swimming pools and proper swim training and you'll see a more diverse sport.

[@ogolthorp]

And property close to bodies of water is more expensive and generally was barred from black people for a long time. So yeah, basically black people didn’t have any real opportunities to swim, so they had no reason to teach their kids to swim.

[@neosav7476]

Africans have longer limbs compared to their bodies than do Europeans. Longer limbs help with activities such as running and jumping and larger bodies help with swimming and other endurance and strength based activities. Take a look at Olympic swimmers and strongmen, they are all tall white guys with huge broad shoulders and backs. Look at Michael Phelps.

[@ogolthorp]

@@neosav7476 well by your logic we should be seeing much more black athletes in swimming. But we don’t, because being an athlete at that caliber requires training from a very young age, which is not cheap. Black families are less likely to have the disposable income available for swim lessons for all those years.

[@neosav7476]

@@ogolthorp No I explained black people have short torsos and long limbs which is not ideal for swimming.

[@ogolthorp]

@@neosav7476 but longer limbs and slimmer frame mean you could generate more leverage with each full stroke, and would create less drag in the water. Look at phelps' wing span compared to his height. The broad shoulders is caused by strength training, but I can promise you they would choose to have thinner frames if they didn't have to sacrifice strength for it. Having shorter limbs and a larger body makes no sense for being advantageous in the water.

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

Mark Collett is a true hero of Europe. He never gave up on truth.

[@againsttheleftandright4065]

@@xp8969 No internal dialogue?

[@ontheright2482]

Destiny fan here but I think destiny was actually slippery and uncharatable.

[@FireGod1101]

Why?

[@ontheright2482]

@@FireGod1101 well for example the stat about 90% was originally to say 90% of marks community agreed with mark. THEN destiny knowing that threw out the stat as if mark said it was 90% of the global community. Mark never picked up on that and called destiny slippery because mark could not put his finger on what went wrong. Then when it comes to BLM destiny can define black. When it come to WLM destiny obfuscates what is meant by white. We all know its not a solid line but if he were charitable he would say "ok. You mean white as in 1500 anglo saxon British... Now what?". But he was a dick at even giving his opponent a charitable interpretation of "white man" even after mark gave a definition.. Still like destiny. But he dropped the soup on this one.

[@FireGod1101]

@on the right I don't know. Mark couldn't extrapolate on a single thought beyond "it's obvious" or "it went over your head." I still think Mark had, perhaps, a coherent point on Israel. Referring to his point on it being an ethnostate. (Which I think is true, in the technical sense.) He's just not eloquent enough to draw a timeline of events that both, make sense logically and are sound enough to describe the interaction. It's too disjointed.

[@ontheright2482]

@@FireGod1101 true. I dont think mark is a good debater. But can you see how mark tries to be very careful with every point he says? He talks slow and each word is deliberate. He talks like this because he constantly gets misunderstood and misrepresented in debates. Cathy newman comes to mind. I do agree mark could have said things better and I think mark should be sharper at correcting misrepresentations of his argument. However; if a lefty said something which is true in lefty circles only and its self evident in lefty circles then lefties dont really know how to argue it. For example "gender is a spectrum.". Its true but its not self evident and you need to play with definitions. If i was charitable i would understand your definitions and if I was being a dick i would deliberately undermine everything you said while trying to argue that gender is a spectrum. Destiny was definitely doing the latter. The few attempts he made to understand what mark went badly because of destinies own bias. I will have to listen agan to get time stamps but for example the first 30 minutes was just a 2 men swapping words and talking past eachother. Both men being right because neither man addressed the arguments in good faith. This was destiny's fault for being slippery and marks fault for not being a better debater. Calling destiny slippery is not effective unless you can explain why he was slippery. Mark could not explain it because... I.q. maybe? Or lack of experience. But anyway. Neither is perfect. Both deserve criticism. But as a destiny fan I expected more engagement and less stupid obfuscations and strawmans.

[@FireGod1101]

@on the right Yeah. The first 30 was rough. But you've got to admit that to say "Destiny should do better" is not the best leg to stand on. Mark represents his ideas. Poorly. And the people on the chat STILL believed in his words. Destiny could have been as eloquent as Plato with the bombasticism of Neitszche and those clowns would still side with a hardly literate nationalist. Who, by the way, mischracterized Destiny's argument plenty of times. Should I expect Destiny to do well against anyone, speak perfectly at all times, and critically engage with barely through through arguments while guiding the conversation into some realm of either better understanding or constructive criticism? No. He's just a human. I meet people like Mark alot. I can't remember when but eventually I just started saying, "Screw it, you're right."

[@Thethinker6141]

The guy did a good job debating destiny. Made some good points

[@LennyCash777]

Yes, of course he did. He's Mark Collett. There's a reason why content creators like him are heavily censored and vilified. The truth is on our side and I believe that will become more apparent to others in the future. Even if it turns out to be too late.

[@MatthewBanks100]

Are you on Crack? He was pathetic

[@randomhuman2595]

​@@LennyCash777 I disagree

[@RanEncounter]

What good points?

[@sdpearshaped831]

You know someone is tilted if you throw their joke back in their face but also more competently than they threw it in the first place.

[@marksmanmerc1]

Do people really care about their ancestry? Don't know anyone past my grandparents and i have no clue what race i am. My identity is simply American, it shouldn't be more complex than that.

[@bigtombowski]

Is Collett intentionally _trying_ to sound like Nigel Farage?

[@dannyberinger4634]

I never thought I would be on Mark's side. Destiny is so willfully dishonest.

[@Speedojesus]

Ethan Ralph sounded like he was on the junk the entire stream.

[@Timonsaylor]

I demand to see a movie where an Asian woman is playing as Martin Luther King

[@rdapersonal]

The "I'm losing to Destiny in a debate" starter pack - Spout conspiracy based on semi facts from articles that were debunked - Repeat disproven point - Laugh when disproven - "See, this is what you do"

[@qo2097]

😆😆😆

[@neiljones1938]

BOLLOX.

[@qo2097]

@@neiljones1938 eww…. I smell troll.

[@davidburrows4801]

Where did mark lose?

[@Loneshdo]

57:27 When you talk to your crush and try to sound manly