They Responded

[@stirfriednoodls]

Nexon: “there’s no way you could make a game in 10 months!” Ironmace: “skill issue”

[@kronicbucky]

I did a uni paper where we had 6 weeks to: learn a new software (unity), learn a new coding language (c#), and then design, build, and release a game. Nexon is so detached from reality.

[@night00glider]

I read this in either Biden or Trump’s voice.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

GIT GUD intensifies

[@Clementinewoofwoof]

New Vegas: 8 months take it or leave it

[@simplysmiley4670]

"And you, nor most of the triple A industry can make a single working game in several years."

[@bigus_brainus]

The fact that Nexon is finally being publicly embarrassed and having their reputation ruined is so heartwarming

[@Laughisty]

*MAKE BETTER CONTENT THAN PENGUINZ0*

[@escapefromtibet2530]

What reputation?

[@marceloxaustivo784]

Well, not ruined because there wasn’t much left to ruin

[@Mandate_of_Heaven]

It’s downfall was pretty much addressed. Not really surprised. Companies that make the worst decisions usually last the least.

[@BestOfAnimalss]

W comment

[@JustBaccano]

Nexon: "Nice argument Senator, why don't you back it up with a source." Ironmace: "My source...is right here"

[@arcticfox037]

The good ending

[@johncenashi5117]

Ironmace sends a link to their sorce. Nexon: i wont read all that!

[@NotRealAkira]

Nexon made it the fuck up

[@VK-jy3pi]

​@@johncenashi5117 If I purposefully don't acknowledge the existence of irrefutable proof, there is no irrefutable proof!

[@SoftPillowWithAKnife]

Ironmace: “Nice argument Senator, why don’t you back up up with a source.” Nexon: “My source is that I made it the fuck up!”

[@non_brewed_condiment]

Fun fact: Nexon once sued a programmer named "DrUnKeN ChEeTaH" so all the court filings had to include that name written that way a bunch of times. I just think that's really funny

[@Shiro_Sora]

lol

[@kevinmadsen2083]

I just hope everyone in court had to make their voice all quivery while saying it.

[@ChimpOnComputer]

No vowels switched with numbers, for shame.

[@gustavonomegrande]

Sadly, he lost, Nexon got around a 1.5 million dollars in their pockets.

[@growingoaks]

Why is that? Why did they not use his legal name?

[@crazyMLC]

the fact that they attempted to claim stolen assets via filename and not file hash is incredible

[@dancarlin6206]

Exactly. As an employee at a company, you pick up certain best practices and naming conventions that you make use of on your personal projects. Nexon using file names as evidence of foul play from FORMER EMPLOYEES is just moronic.

[@DoctorFabuloso]

is file hash just the content of the file or is it something else?

[@khakers2.099]

@@DoctorFabuloso it's a shorter string derived from the content of the file

[@9000fail]

@@DoctorFabuloso Yes, the content of the file matches if the hash matches.

[@left4shred406]

​@@DoctorFabuloso without getting technical it's essentially a file's "fingerprint" which can be used for file verification.

[@TimmyTam]

The fact Nexon said it's impossible to make a good game in 10 months, and they just responded with "Skill issue". So much respect lmao

[@astropurn5939]

Gigachad ironmace

[@Plsrateeight]

Yeah I mean it is easy to make a copy paste crappy game like they made, y'all should really research this crap yourself instead of just taking what this goofy fool says 100%.

[@travixo]

git gud ked

[@themegadonger2186]

its funny if you every played lost ark those guys are on crack. They pumped out so much content at one point that they had to slow it down due to players just not finish or clearing at the rate they where putting out dungeons,missions,lvling,ect

[@chromeemc]

@@themegadonger2186 too bad it was already big on the east and it was not new content

[@bigwinboard]

Filing these bogus infringement claims should come with serious consequences! So sick of the whole lawsuit culture and bullies pulling legal threats out of their asses.

[@potato6785]

Bogus claims should lose you access to the system - make bogus claims, lose all of your copyrights to the public domain.

[@DiminutiveJerry]

​@@potato6785I'm pretty sure that already the case, but only when it's like 100% certain

[@qlcrane8019]

Too bad Nexon actually has valid points

[@DarkIceKrabby]

@@qlcrane8019 I doubt it

[@Jabagenia]

Barring whole individuals and corporations from the legal system for a fair trial based on subjective reasoning for filling Lawsuits... what could go wrong ? And do we remove licenses as well from Lawyers that participated in these Lawsuits ? Come on.

[@Hero-oz9gx]

they honestly should counter-sue for damages once this is all over and we should support them

[@jkterjters]

Can they? That’d be cool.

[@awalk00]

@@jkterjters you can sue for pretty much anything, it’s winning that’s a whole new ballgame

[@TheMasterPandaBear]

I am salivating at the idea of that, something akin epic and silicon knights

[@implacableduck4090]

​​​@@awalk00You are right in a way, it really depends on the actions and the claim itself. But like you said you can technically sue for anything.

[@Zyscheriah]

​@@jkterjters they could probably sue for reputation loss which would hurt their ability to make money with their game.

[@Jacob-ce7nh]

“This employee left because of trust issues” *lets send a team after him to destroy any future projects he works on!*

[@laylaminrir]

That's some cartoon villain vibes.

[@lumineani]

This company is the embodiment of a stereotypical ex girlfriend with BPD

[@bananochloe]

@@lumineani you good man ?

[@bentley9517]

​@@lumineaniso true it hurts lmao

[@michaeltartaglia9281]

​@@lumineani damn why you gotta bring up BPD lol

[@denzham]

my favourite line from it was definitely "Since key members of Ironmace were also on the development team of the P3 Project and know how quickly and haphazardly the P3 Project was built, if anything, using assets, design, and code built for that project would have been a hinderance rather than a benefit to the development of Dark and Darker."

[@jokester5130]

BURN

[@ronbhattacharya3183]

LMAOOO

[@DxrkArtz]

charlie commented on my newest video

[@CloudsTravels]

Imagine you're an employee just working for a salary on P3 team and did not want to lose a big corp job to follow your project leader that got fired start a new company. Then after they get a cease and desist, your old project leader calls out that all the coding that was made UNDER HIM and with the team members that got poached were garbage and unusable. FeelsBadMan for the members of P3 that stayed behind.

[@qlcrane8019]

And this snarky comment doesn't change the fact that Nexon has an actual case here and IM is not out of the water yet.

[@nickpereira971]

Ironmace really said, "This sh*t's so generic we asked an AI to make a story for fun" 🤣

[@TuriGamer]

self burn?

[@jonhawk117]

@@TuriGamer Something can be generic as fuck and still be fun, even more fun than something trying to be original.

[@MiroNyholm-mj7hd]

Wow.

[@Dibbles115]

​@@jonhawk117 Among us in 2020. It was a generic murder mystery game and it was really fun to play with friends. Past 2020 they tried hard to be unique

[@JackSeries44]

Corp Inc is more recent. A new game that came out of nowhere, you and your team are just space scrap sweeper and oh boy the game delivers. Helldivers 2 came out of nowhere and was good, but then Sony got greedy. (Thank you Steam for the refund, fuck CorpoRATS).

[@duskyer]

Nexon: We're gonna crush this small indie team. *Ends up garnering public attention, thus making them more popular* Nexon: Wait...

[@JJJJJJJJJAAAAAA]

Ironmace: *ROYAL GUARD*

[@kale1873]

yep cant wait to play dark and darker ! lol

[@UncleMerlin]

Streisand effect at its finest

[@myyoutubeaccount4167]

​@@JJJJJJJJJAAAAAA NOW I'M MOTIVATED

[@ggj9739]

Koreans are just stealing. Korean games trash.

[@atravieso14]

You missed the best part where Ironmace said that because they have employees who worked on p3 and know how haphazardly it was thrown together it would have been a hindrance to use that source code. Such a fantastic burn especially when paired with the mismanaged company part. Love it, long live dark and darker!

[@aeonTFW]

How does this reply section just got bots?

[@blehblah8361]

​@@aeonTFW idk but I've never felt the need to cluck on any of their pages

[@greyman2724]

@@blehblah8361 idfk know dude prob some random dude set a bot out to boost there channel

[@greyman2724]

They got two videos 💀

[@Watashi_wa_robottodesu]

@Camping Comrade your nearest hardware store sells the rope you need to hang up in your garage

[@Emily-tv1iz]

Nexon: “10 months is too quick of a turnaround time to make an entirely new game!” Game jams: “Are we a joke to you?”

[@falaramal3979]

Are game jams the FNAF guys?

[@TycoonTitian01]

@@falaramal3979 no, it’s a competition where indie devs (not fnaf) have to make a game in a short amount of time (I think 24hrs)

[@solanumtuberosa]

Tbf most game jam games aren't longer than demos.

[@PetrolHeadMotorsport]

@@TycoonTitian01 The time can vary from 24 hours to 7 days, if I'm not mistaken.

[@ahwleung]

Take any single frame out of dark and darker without any context and anyone would think it's a unity asset flip that was made in a weekend. The difference is dark and darker is an actually good game despite this.

[@BrockitGaming]

Nexon "See my clips" Dark & Darker " You buffoon, THESE are mags!"

[@zogar8526]

Im so sick of hearing of these companies making fake claims. It is sickening. They need to be punished severely for it.

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

I am directly involved in a lawsuit at work for this exact thing too. Literally spend hours each week on it, fucking lame

[@nicholasalexander9866]

@@DadsCigaretteRun I hope and pray you get through it man!

[@DadsCigaretteRun]

@@nicholasalexander9866 oh we will, literally has no case and we plan on destroying him 😂 but the time it takes away from my other responsibilities hurts the company in its own way

[@Gjd94]

NPC comment

[@Gjd94]

@@DadsCigaretteRun yeah and I’m the prince of Dubai

[@No_Feelings]

This would be like buying a table from ikea, seeing the same table at your friend's house, and then calling the police on them for theft because clearly nobody shops at ikea except you.

[@ARCHIVED9610]

HAHAH YEAH

[@areadenial2343]

"My table was built in-house, and took me weeks to put together. It is impossible for my neighbor to have built the same table in an afternoon as he claims, so the only reasonable conclusion is that he stole it from me."

[@thetimelapseguy8]

Or an interior designer suing you for using the same Ikea furniture.

[@lordrevan571]

No, this is more like you once worked for Ikea, and your buddies, you all got fired one day and told not to make things that look like Ikea. Then a few months later you came out with a whole new furniture store based on Ikea designs and got called out, now you're rallying people around you to fight the big bad company meanwhile there's still proof you are using stolen assets and no one cares. Dark and Darker deserves to fail and all involved deserve to fail, as does Nexon.

[@MrTourettekid]

@@lordrevan571 There was literal proof they created their own assets and use unreal assets. None were made by, Nexon. Nexon needs to be publicly shamed and ruined for their previous blunders and especially this one.

[@JTCRASH]

The fact that Ironmace used ChatGPT to prove their point is not only an extremely galaxy-brained move, it’s such a clever insult that I’m honestly impressed

[@youngestmark]

Honestly it’s the first thing you’re going for if you need text or answers or ideas

[@Akimbo1313]

@@youngestmark if you need ai for an idea your brain might be broke

[@AD-lh3jk]

Wait wdym? I didn’t notice Charlie mentioning they used ChatGPT

[@jyoshi1491]

@@AD-lh3jk 16:20 is where he mentions the use of chatgpt

[@TheKosmotect]

​@@Akimbo1313 you won't always have a calculator vibes

[@yphoenix5957]

"You can't copyright, 'own' a genre, _It's not yours._ " I love Charlie's comment, "It's not yours". More publishing companies need to be punished more severely for lying so blatantly and wasting everyone's time.

[@dsd2dsd2]

Except nexon isn't suing them with copyright. I don't think he understands what they are being sued for or korean law

[@csaki01]

@@dsd2dsd2 Hey, just updating you on the situation, Nexon Korea filed lawsuit in Washington, USA for copyright infringement on April 14, no less, the first day of the playtest, directly blocking it from being on Steam. This is not about righteousness or protecting companies from people leaving, it's about sifling competition with money.

[@iiimaskyiii7816]

@@dsd2dsd2bro is meat riding big corporations. That’s actually embarrassing.

[@spiderdude2099]

Their legal/PR team deserves a round of applause, this is such a well written clap back.

[@bestieswithtesties]

Not really dude. Saying "I thought it was okay" is not a valid legal argument. They might be winning in the public's eye just because people are so dead set on supporting the small guys but they aren't winning in court and unless the guy who stole copyrighted material from his old company comes up with a better excuse than "I thought what I was doing was okay" then he's screwed and the game is dead.

[@gofrisuto]

​@@bestieswithtesties but he didn't do that. If he did, Nexus would've proved that source code is copied. They didn't do that. And because court relies on evidence, if they won't do it, they won't win the case.

[@cavemantero]

@@bestieswithtesties You're literally using an out of context statement as evidence of wrongdoing? What an idiot.

[@AudioCalibrator]

@@bestieswithtesties You didn't listen or read very well if this what you thought happened. He saved files locally from when he was working at Nexon, not files relating to Dark and Darker or P3 but generic files that were then destroyed. All the files they claim he "stole" are shown to be generic assets from the Unreal store, the files that weren't from the Unreal store are shown to have similar names because they are generic fantasy names. If they really wanted to prove that the files he "stole" are in fact Nexon's property why did they not try to prove they were stole by file hashes and not the file names? Their claims are bogus.

[@JayCares]

@@bestieswithtesties lol please actually be involved in the issue instead of looking at it for a few seconds and making up some false accusation

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

This video is like a huge plot progression moment of Charlie sharing his knowledge after playing 1000s of shitty steam games.

[@sticklyboi]

​@I hate niɡɡers 😂 le funny ឴ni឴gg឴er឴ word haha you are very funny

[@gigitrix]

Put him in as an expert witness for the defence!

[@SlaveKnightGael1579]

@I hate niɡɡers 😂 Hello, based department?

[@tweenytwinkies]

@@sticklyboi don’t respond to the bots

[@spoohater6949]

What should I report the bots for

[@ethanor]

I really hope that both the Judge and Steam realize that this was clearly done in bad faith and properly punishes Nexon.

[@dun8632]

I'm all for nuking Nexon off of steam

[@snepping1885]

@@dun8632 what games did they even make???

[@nltiro3387]

@@snepping1885 they literally ripped off mario kart / other kart games for their game "kart rider" or some shit and now they try to claim the fantasy genre

[@dun8632]

@@snepping1885 MapleStory is the only game I can think of everything else is pretty low tier trash games, and MapleStory isn't much of a stepup.

[@kaijuultimax9407]

@@snepping1885 F2P Korean mobile games you've never heard of but make tens of millions of dollars somehow

[@7thHe4ven]

Nexon gave dark and darker free advertisement I had never heard of it and now I want to play it

[@SeriouslyIssues]

We should all thank Nexon and Charlie they have guaranteed that when Dark and Darker is released its going to a banger.

[@Derivedwhale45]

Nah it'll be doa & forgotten since the ceo was arrested for being a drug lord kingpin in meth, and the game was eventually made with drug money and not a overall product in the end sadly, so its pretty much canceled entirely

[@oreoyo5639]

@@Derivedwhale45 Nobody give af about game ceo is the game itself is enjoyable to play. Maybe twitter does but average gamer could care less.

[@daniajaa4608]

@@Derivedwhale45 Source?

[@Loj84]

@@Derivedwhale45 take your meds bruh

[@SeriouslyIssues]

​@@Derivedwhale45 😂😂😂 You are hilarious

[@love久]

Major W for the dark and darker guys I hope this goes well

[@Mandate_of_Heaven]

With the amount of promo it’s getting I don’t doubt it!

[@iain9541]

Bro how did u watch so quick

[@アオインク-k6v]

@Bill Jensen 3 ??????

[@jrwalker3196]

@@iain9541 he can fast forward time

[@jazzman7842]

@BillJensen3 could you consider not doing everything you are doing right now?

[@azaraxis572]

Its great to finally see a studio clap back at Nexon for once, for those who don't know Nexon has a long history of doing this type of stuff as well as completely abandoning support for games they release if they don't immediately do well in the first couple days after release.

[@Eins3467]

I don't even understand why Nexon is still around. They are so shit they should've died a long time ago. Not to mention they're getting a lot of shills lately due to a certain sexy gacha game.

[@keikarhinopuppy]

I hope this doesn't happen to Dave the Diver...It's so nice and wierd.

[@hooverity]

Big companies in general are like this. Stomp out the competition so you never have any

[@neilisawesome2333]

​@@hooverity There are exceptions to this. It's like whenever the big companies stomps out a small one, they just come back

[@MollyHJohns]

So a scumbag company posing as a game company. They're more thug than real thugs out there

[@ShiroNyankotv]

Ironmace : "Nice argument Senator, why don't you back it up with a source?" Nexon : "My argument is that I made it the fuck up!"

[@ToyokaX]

Another thing about the file names is that the prefixes are usually there to denote what type of asset it is (ie. M_ for material, BP_ for blueprint, etc.) because when you see the file outside of the engine (ie. in subversioning software or just in a file browser), they all share an identical extension (.uasset) so this prefixing is common for practically all unreal games and projects in order to distinguish what the assets are.

[@Wanderer_of_Sol]

Even the weirder ones like GA and GE are because they're using Gameplay Ability System, which was pretty much UE4.2+ standard before Lyra came out with UE5. But yeah, you're 100% right. I'm pretty sure I have a BP_arrow in my fantasy game right now.

[@Opharg]

My personal highlight was BP_PlayerController, which presumably is just the blueprint implementation of PlayerController.h, which comes with the engine

[@OhhWelll]

That whole point about it being impossible to develop a game that quickly is laughable 😂 "If I'm not able to do it you can't either because I'm the best like mommy tells me!" They're like a child covering their ears and screaming lalala so they can't hear you

[@buffcode]

Welcome to corporate game design, the whole damn industry is like that.

[@nikosucksatskating]

Holy shit best analogy

[@superoakwood5513]

Obsidian who made Fallout new Vegas in 8 months' "AMATEUR"

[@RED_XLR]

​@@superoakwood5513 That's a bad example imo. That game used the Fallout 3 engine which was built from the ground up by Bethesda i think, which means, yea Fallout 3 was bound take long to develop. Regardless of who made what and how fast.

[@superoakwood5513]

@@RED_XLR fallout 3 and New Vegas where made right after the other,by 2 different dev companies (NV by Obsidian who where the OG fallout creators but they wheren't involved with F3) with obsidian on a giant time crunch and understaffed,the only thing they share is assets (similarly to how Dark and darker share most of the same assets from Unreal Library) Dark and darker was developed in 11 months using unreal 4+ most of the assets where made by the devs they just bought them Neither had to make the engine and both flipped assets,so?

[@MrYEETman9820]

Nexon getting utterly dunked on is actual therapy for me lmao

[@soulgamer6507]

@@Instabruh.User.. Someone that's actually better than Charlie wouldn't have to advertise themselves stating as such, they would succeed regardless just based on the quality of their content. I know this is a bot but god damn this shit is annoying.

[@jimmy5516]

@@soulgamer6507 these are 100s of bots that just spam shit. I have no idea why these bots even exist because it gains nothing.

[@zachdavis4168]

​@Jimmy their goals are beyond our understanding.

[@Yousie6]

@@jimmy5516 attention

[@versalgraphics]

this is so sweet given what they did to maplestory 2

[@AarononYoutube]

Nobody is stealing an entire game and not even changing the file names.

[@CrazyFox34Gaming]

fr

[@operator8014]

Have you seen the kickstarter scams?

[@XXMatt0040XX]

Reading the part about 9 of the accused member left with them and "...-shows the trust that the accused member instills in his peers." is actually heartwarming. It's not much of a consolation but if I were the accused guy reading that I would never leave. That sentence shows the humanity games are supposed to have is still there, even if just a little. The person just had their former place of work act like a crazy ex with the audits and lawsuits. Edit: DAMN THEY SLAPPED THE HELL OUT OF NEXON. Straight up told them "Just because it may be difficult for you doesn't mean it is for us." I haven't heard much about Dark and Darker until this, and this company's response is such good PR that I'm interested in the game now.

[@demoncet1998]

​@YeaMan bot

[@MartKencuda]

@@demoncet1998 but wait, they clearly said they weren't a bot tho. Something doesn't add up here...

[@demoncet1998]

@@MartKencuda i know it sounds crazy but hear me out. I think someone programmed the bot to say it wasn't a bot

[@coffin7904]

it's a wicked game. def try if the playtest comes up mid april here again

[@thcdenton]

That game is the shit. Can't wait for the next public test.

[@BeastGamingHD]

I love that the Dark and Darker devs didn't only slam dunk Nexon but shoved ChatGPT down their throat in a serious but funny way considering how widely popular AI ChatGPT is right now.

[@coryyoung7544]

Its weirdly good for making yugioh decks up to 2021 and it even explains how you should use it, very nice.

[@burp2019]

@@coryyoung7544yugioh probably slipped into the training data

[@_JPkun]

ah yes, imagine Nintendo suing people for having a "mushroom.png" file in your game

[@PapaHepatitis7170]

Deep Rock Galactic is fucked big time lmao

[@JohnDoe-cg8fr]

Nintendo would do that if they could 🤣

[@taolan8708]

not nintendo per say but animation studio that publishes pokemon or has some connection to it completely willing to dmca over a screenshot or well drawn drawings

[@NealCamerlengo]

Pixar did it to DMA Design aka Rockstar with Uni Racers and won. They claimed the unicycle from an 198 something short was used and of course the court ruled in Pixar's favor which caused all of the game for the SNES/Super Famicom (I don't know if it was released in Japan) had to be pulled from the shelves. It was mentioned in an episode of Fact Hunt. Heck, Kernkraft 400/4000? stole the song that would become Zombie Nation from a game dev and was rewarded the rights by the court. That was mentioned in a video from Uncanny X.

[@Between_Scylla_and_Kharybdis]

Don’t give them new ideas…

[@FeedMeSalt]

Oh I totally called it, I commented yesterday they definitely think the bought assets belonged to them. Likely because their own devs lied about producing them.

[@inkandesk]

I’m excited for the countersuit if ironmace pursues one. Sounds like most of their staff has been harassed enough to file personal grievances

[@spectralumbra1568]

I wonder if they could actually get damages for revenue loss if this delays the game's release significantly.

[@Adierit]

@@spectralumbra1568 The game was actually already out on steam, so they can easily counter for loss of income.

[@mbornhorst7]

​@@Adieritno, it was out as a free demo on steam, and only accessible during their playtests. That said, it's likely going to be a drawn out legal battle for them still, rooting for Ironmace!!

[@Fractured676]

@@mbornhorst7 You could buy it. You can no longer buy it. Despite the fact that this event will almost assuredly increase the overall sales of DaD, they could easily say they lost sales during this period.

[@mbornhorst7]

@@Fractured676 you could not buy it - it cost nothing and was provided as a free demo

[@godex6893]

Charlie is so powerful he's making watch an 18 mins video of companies I never knew existed

[@monomicki]

That’s the case for almost all of his videos tbh

[@tweenytwinkies]

@@monomicki off topic but ur pfp is pog

[@monomicki]

@@tweenytwinkies thanks sam & max pfp!!

[@tweenytwinkies]

@@monomicki LETS GOOOOO

[@XenoDragn7]

​@@tweenytwinkies Sam and Max enjoyers :D

[@101RadioheadCovers]

The funny thing is that the first thing you would think when you look DaD is that it could have been made in 1997, it's really a throwback game. The reason why its so popular is because it's made extremely well and with obvious passion.

[@Eins3467]

It reminded me of the early dungeon crawlers inspired by DnD. It's not even an original idea. Nexon is so full of shit they think they have a ton of originality with their P3 shit.

[@Yogurts-83]

Hehe... Dad

[@subsume7904]

That was the biggest appeal for me. It's got a classic style with a modern twist. Nexon must never have seen a dungeon crawler before..

[@pentexsucks43]

Definitely way too advanced looking for the 90's lmao, but the gameplay loop definitely seems like it

[@ianneilson8684]

this is exactly how i feel, Dark and darker captures the old school feeling of gaming, you know....to have fun? and Ironmace seems passionate for making that a reality again

[@pondersprocket2274]

Sadly, not surprised that a major game company would lie about their ownership rights to screw someone else over. *Especially* an ex employee. “We bought the rights to use this in our game, that means if you don’t work for us (anymore) you can’t use them!” Might as well tell me the people running the company are children, I’ll probably believe it at this point. Even less surprised that they tried the exact same thing with their ex-concept artist. “You can put pen to paper? Cool, everything you create beyond this point belongs to us now. Oh, you want to quit and go work for someone else? Haha. That’s cute.”

[@ranchjenkem6002]

It’s actually crazy how video game companies pursue things like this-as a business, you can’t be angry that someone left your burger company and made better burgers down the street. “Oh no, he’s using beef. WE use beef.” Unless this guy has an explicit non-compete he violated there’s zero chance this holds up, regardless of the other history between him and Nexon. Insane

[@chuckybang]

Using beef is a trade secret bro. You are just ignorant.

[@GibbssYT]

It’s a massive waste of time if none of the code is the same. I’d guess it’s just them swinging the hammer and trying to beat out competition financially through legal fees. Comparing beef to code is a little tough though haha. Also, I sign non competes for a sales job- might be a bad comparison as well, but I’d imagine gaming companies do the same

[@CloudsTravels]

It's more like a company A was perfecting the burger recipe by certain ratios, materials from a specific vendor, how they're going to market it, how the store layout is gonna look as well as colour scheme. The manager that was overseeing all this with funds from investors, decided to start storing all of this information in their personal storage(to expedite the launch since he has to work from home because of Covid). Gets warned for it by investors, quits, brings a bunch of other core members with him to start a new burger joint then uses all the information except they're all bought from different vendors and ratios are off by like 0.1 so it's not an identical copy. Edit: Personally as a consumer though, I give 0 shit about it as long as I get the better-tasting burger.

[@kevinmadsen2083]

​@@CloudsTravels That last part was the most succinct. May the better game win.

[@GibbssYT]

@@CloudsTravels There we go. That's a good beef comparison. I'm right there with you- have not paid attention very closely at all to what's going on, I just want to play Dark and Darker so whatever is needed for them to finish the game I am in favor of.

[@informitas0117]

Literally a frivolous lawsuit to punish they old employee for having the absolute nerve to tell Nexon things were not perfect at the company.

[@jy3406]

I am a game sound designer, all those files named “AK” are just parameters from the audio engine called Wwise. Also they use very common names such as “volume parameter”, etc. It’s a normal naming convention. All games would be “stealing their assets” if they count game parameter names as “owned material”. It would be like Adam Sandler DMCA every jpeg ever made because it says “1920x1080 pixels”.

[@jamesflames6987]

Right, but Nexon never claimed those assets were stolen, LOL.

[@jy3406]

@@jamesflames6987 don’t they say in this document that these “assets” are the same as in P3? I thought that’s why they were listing them in the document.

[@jamesflames6987]

@@jy3406 They don't claim the assets are stolen - that doesn't make sense because they don't own them. They are claiming that the game referencing an identical set of assets indicates it is based on a stolen build. If you read the DMCA claim they actually make a pretty strong case that the game is just a modified version of their game. For example all the characters are the same with the same character design, just slightly altered portraits. It's not like they found some random game on the internet and declared it was "too similar". They already showed the guy was taking files off their servers, then he comes out with a game with identical mechanics and identical assets and we are supposed to think that this is a "coincidence" - out of all the millions of possible assets he chose exactly the same ones as them and put them together in the same way.

[@jy3406]

@@jamesflames6987 I see, thanks for the clarification. The “AK” files I mentioned are still very basically and commonly named though. Any project using Unreal/Wwise would have those. Same goes for the Unreal Store assets. I don’t think these files in particular constitute any grounds for a copyright claim, since it would be like copyright claiming a movie that uses a third party soundtrack licensed to two separate movies for example. Of course if they actually did duplicate custom made assets from Nexon’s server that’s theft.

[@jamesflames6987]

@@jy3406 To take the movie example, suppose there are two movies that use exactly the same sound effects, exactly the same costumes, and exactly the same props. Even if all those things are publicly available, it's pretty obvious one movie is based off the other.

[@Zamtrios245]

Hopefully, the devs of "Dark and Darker" can counter-sue for defamation or something. Nexon's already in the pig pen, might as well make them oink

[@Cl00less]

The concept of adventurers going into dungeons is LITERALLY what I'm using for my college games design course final project.

[@creamcrimson695]

I think we all know who's nexon next target is... hide before they find you bro! they will try to succ every penny no matter where and how small the amount is

[@eldritchbidoof]

I mean cool haha ?

[@Cl00less]

I'm more adding onto the point that the trope is so common that it's being used by college students

[@M8gazine]

be careful brother... Nexon will at your door soon

[@marthapozo4881]

@@Cl00less How can college students make a game so quickly when a MAJOR game company can't with store assets?! Clearly you're a thief!

[@PandaAsInTheCuteAnimal]

as an active MapleStory player that, along with the entire game's playerbase, sighs and slowly loses hope that this company will ever stop being so out of touch with their own biggest cash cow on every single disappointing game update they drop, seeing this news puts a smile on my face

[@KranionGMS]

Agreed (also actively plays) At this point I'm hoping that this embarrassment actually does something for them.

[@GravitasZero]

Used to play Maple story well over a decade ago. It was a okayish/good game. Came back to it a few times through out the years, and each time it just feels worse. I liked the original classes to choose from (warrior, mage, thief, bowman)….. It feels like it lost its soul.

[@sylverzenki]

Its a shame cuz as an active reboot player i love maple just hate nexon and their decisions for maple. They got the ground work but greed and pettiness and lack of care for their customers/players lead then down a path of pure dog dookie.

[@SirQuantization]

Mate use your brain MapleStory has been around how long and you think they’re going to change?

[@malikzayas3687]

@@Instabruh.User.. May not be a bot .but that's the biggest lie I have ever seen.

[@Downgrade87]

major scummy companies taking Ls always make me happy. I hope Dark and Darker gains nothing but years of success

[@Eins3467]

Nexon deserves all the shit they can get. They're a fcking scam ruining games since the 2000s. I don't care if they go hungry.

[@John_3563]

Honest answer? The game will probably be held up in lawsuits for years pretty much ensuring it’s death

[@Derivedwhale45]

Nah u should be angry n pissed & hoping that karma will come for those pricks at D&D I guarantee ya that

[@Derivedwhale45]

​@@John_3563 good

[@guhd4378]

@@Derivedwhale45 what a troll

[@sourkoyote]

What "suing" is supposed to be for: Protecting companies & individual citizens from being unfairly & unjustly taken advantage of. What "suing" is actually used for: "I have money, but someone else came up with a new idea, I'll just say it's mine, fight a legal battle with them long enough to tank them, & then it is *mine."*

[@Winter-n7l]

that's how they roll when they have the money to bury the other party. They don't get my money when they act that way, ever.

[@epic321123]

This happened recently with Wizards of the Coast. The takeaway from that whole situation was that there are rules in place which say that no one can claim ownership to the *rules* of a game.

[@sintanan469]

That's why WotC has the rules for D&D officially described as "guidelines". They tried to use the fact that D&D is a guideline and not rules they can copyright it.

[@epic321123]

@YeaMan If you link the video where he says that I will subscribe to your channel.

[@northernborn6870]

3:10 fun fact, all these names [assets] seen here are from the Wwise integration plugin for Unreal Engine. Wwise is basically an audio engine that almost all UE games use nowadays meaning these listed "assets" are not the original companies either as they actually belong to Audio Kinetic. The fact they included this in their legal document either means the people comparing data are not devs nor consulted with any (so they should have no business deciding what is stolen or not if they don't understand how asset files work) or they intentionally included assets they don't own but are similar to pull one over on people hoping they wouldn't notice and make DnD look more guilty somehow. They are also clearly trying to use the term files here so they can effectively triple the perceived severity to people who don't understand (which is probably every single person in the courtroom) that a game asset is made out of 2-3 game files.

[@sentientmustache8360]

It’s never not going to be satisfying seeing big corporations suffer and struggle

[@tomb3782]

Man, the guys in Asmondgold chat kept saying "If they had proof, they were innocent, they would have put it out there by now! Clearly, they're guilty of this!"... This is what the sound of "Egg on your face" sounds like. I love how we've become a reactionary society and agree with the first opinion and then buy a ticket to the hate train.

[@Jester_Jean]

This guilty until proven innocent bullshit is so goofy. As far as I'm concerned, the accuser has to bring in some proof first.

[@tomb3782]

@@Jester_Jean yes, Ive noticed a lot of people on KZbin a twitter like to say "can you bring the receipts!" And I have to say, I like that.

[@Smileyreal]

Not sure what else you'd expect from people watching asmongold.

[@PhilGerb93]

​@@Smileyreal The funny thing is that asmongold's take is a lot more mature and objective than Charlie here that just repeats whatever the fanboys say. The truth is that Nexon has a real case and imo both parties are scumbags.

[@panickedshears]

That’s the same kind of argument used again Kwite in his whole situation, and well… that ended up being false too. I hate it when people take this whole “GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT AND IF THEY DONT RESPOND INSTANTLY THEYRE OBVIOUSLY GUILTY!!!” Stance online. It’s the most brain dead way to deal with situations like this.

[@kaique9508]

Holy moly, with that last sentence i could hear the knock out sounds from old arcade fighting games as nexon's death scream was played with highly amount of delay and echo while the devs from DaD sput out a winning quote with the judge narrating the words: *You Win, Perfect*

[@OhhWelll]

This is probably one of the best responses I have ever seen. They were so concise in disproving Nexon's baseless claims and had no filler while keeping the insults to a minimum. I don't think they could have done it better. Nexon probably thought they would crumble under pressure but actually they did quite the opposite 😂 larger company's like Nexon get so jealous when another company gets amazing levels of success while only having 1/10th of their work force

[@PanSkrzynka_]

To be honest as a gamedev i see what Nexon mean. Its not code stealing but idea stealing. The true reason why new games cant be developed fast and officient is iteration of mechanics. Usualy you reprogram one mechanic several times untill you hit something that plays good. If this developer "stole" those good solutions it can feel bad. In development you spend at least 40% of time on developing prototypes that are often changed.

[@ted6755]

@@PanSkrzynka_ You are basically saying "having experience" = stealing idea. it's not stealing if you learned to code better and designed better mechanics based on past experiences. Why do you think an experienced developer has at least 3x the pay of inexperienced ones? Also, Nexon are suing them for stolen codes and assets, just look at their DMCA Notice documents, stop muddying the water and misrepresent the facts.

[@leaveleague3491]

it doesnt matter. Nexon will win this lawsuit no matter what.

[@PanSkrzynka_]

@@ted6755 You missunderstand it. Think about it this way. How many "mafia" type games ware thare before Among Us? Its not about expiriance its about specyfic design solution. In reality no one know wich small changes will create better player expirience untill thay are tested in specyfic game enviro. Making games isnt as simple as "imagine a game and make it real" or "this mechanic will 100% work". Sometimes mechanic will work in one game and be pointless in another.

[@ted6755]

@@PanSkrzynka_ I'm arguing against ur arguments of "stealing good solutions/idea" . That is not stealing, it is simply utilizing previous experience, and what u said is right, u indeed can't simply copy and paste a mechanic, which further proves Ironmace didn't steal shit.

[@mrshadow4007]

"You named your sound file "Fireball" because its the sound of a fireball spell being cast? COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!" - Nexon

[@macandchees5438]

I'm so glad this is happening because more will find this magnificent game

[@AuthorityCat]

It's a game that truly depends on its playerbase. You don't want to be left with the top 1%, the average opponent needs to be a new player. Though the chances of us seeing Dark & Darker anytime soon are slim now. Nexon has fuck you money and that's all that really matters in the "court of law". Iron Gate's best option is a crowdfunding campaign...

[@subjectdelta5348]

​@@AuthorityCat oh true, sweats can ruin it but the devs are very active in the community and seem like genuinely good people. It would surprise me if they implement a ranking system or something similar to help newbies. 😊

[@crogat2298]

@@AuthorityCat Im worried about this too, but cant ironmace threaten nexon with like loss of profits or something similar due to the amount of time and effort this has likely taken? I feel like that could potentially be enough to shut nexon up because at this point they dont really have much to stand on legally and pretty much only have the money

[@HaloMouth]

we will be lucky to ever play this game again

[@subjectdelta5348]

@@HaloMouth not if we support ironmace through this tough spot

[@Lavassin]

My childhood was a Nexon game called Mabinogi. It's not hugely popular here in the US, but it had, and still has for the most part, a good sized fanbase that has stuck with the game for years. I played that game from the time I was 7 until I was 18 and still occasionally jump on it to catch up with old friends and whatnot. Aside from the gacha aspect of it, which is very common in Asian games, it was truly the greatest gaming experience of my life. It sucks to see Nexon falling off so hard, but I can't exactly say it's surprising.

[@Sylene774]

I used to play mabinogi and maplestory but charlie is right the definitely fell off

[@Yousie6]

combat arms was my nexon downfall, they like all their games. run them into the ground with, devs who can do great work but are forced to make them P2W garbage

[@somerandominternetdweller]

I had a friend who was addicted to Mabinogi, to the point where his lab top overheated and melted some of his laptop.

[@mikael100100]

Combat arm was such good stuff :(

[@LikaLaruku]

Nexon is just the publisher of these games. We can still love the developers (Wizet & DevCAT Studio) & slam Nexon. Nexon also introduced the gaming world to Gachapons & rental costumes.

[@toddchavez8274]

Charlie’s never ending list of alternatives to “bullish!t” will never cease to entertain.

[@V.IVRusty]

“Horse radish”

[@MuzikBike]

@@V.IVRusty is not an instrument either.

[@mactroiy7452]

"That's a load of dirty barnacles" is my favourite

[@TheBlackSpartan103]

​@@MuzikBikewhat about mayonnaise?

[@NbNgMOD]

​@@yeaman32141k comments, goddam bots.

[@joezink881]

Chat GPT move was next level slap in the face

[@slartymcguarty2954]

Props to Nexon for incepting the idea of stealing from them into my brain

[@skurdibbles7913]

Better punishment is just not playing. You playing adds to the player base.

[@NeedyBoBeedy]

@@skurdibbles7913 i think they meant stealing assets

[@skurdibbles7913]

@@NeedyBoBeedy oh I thought he meant he was going to crack.

[@mac_sour]

and how do you plan on doing that

[@afterhoursvibes]

Who remembers that tweet from Bluehole back when they were suing Fortnite for “replicating the experience PUBG is know for.” xD

[@JCainefdp]

I visited Florida a few weeks back, and I ran into Charlie at a Walmart. I asked for his autograph, and he promptly put me in a headlock and threw me to the ground, where he delivered kick after kick directly to my face. This continued for a total of 2 minutez and 36 seconds, after which he stopped, where I was rushed to the hospital. I just got out and have fully recovered from the physical and mental trauma. Keep up the great work Charlie.

[@Laughisty]

I'm better than Penguinz0, my content is better!

[@yeetusmccheesey]

damn me too!

[@chaunceyxvi830]

What

[@fancyincubus]

Lucky

[@NotRealPB]

fake, he's too short to put you in a headlock

[@kctalks]

Stay tuned for part 3- Nexon learns that D&D and LotR exist, tries suing them.

[@sebestein09]

Nexon vs Ironmace is like Raiden punching Armstrong

[@munkey3126]

It is amazing that Ironmace and its developers are getting the help and attention that they deserve, I don't want some greedy company owning the game. Cheers to Ironmace for creating an absolute master piece.

[@__-tp4tm]

Yea, hope they get free of this shjt as soon as possible and can pursue the making of their very own game - one that is loved by many way before it's actual arrival on the market.

[@bigus_brainus]

It always makes me mad when bigger companies always pull claims from thin air to target smaller companies, especially when the only reason is to financially bully them around

[@TrianglePants]

Thin air how?

[@randomperson8375]

@@TrianglePants I believe thin air here just means that Nexon's arguments have no ground to stand on and they knew it. Nexon's claims could all be easily debunked with the slightest bit of investigation/logic (as seen by the so-called "stolen assets" not even being made by Nexon, etc.), and the only motive for making those claims was to financially bully their competition. Nexon had all the resources available to investigate the matter on their own as well before making those accusations, so they either did an awful job, didn't bother in the first place, or decided to make those accusations anyways thinking they could get away with it.

[@eirinym]

That's how capitalism works, sadly. People who advocate for it don't understand that it isn't ever a level playing field, nor fair. Whoever has more money can use it as leverage over competition, even if they're inferior as a business in a variety of aspects.

[@spiralphoenix9839]

@@eirinym sure but it’s better than all the other options lol.

[@amanonplanetearth78]

@@spiralphoenix9839 No

[@ChickenPotPie2010]

Was talking to my buddies about how ironmace so thoroughly proved this shit was frivolous; that all Ironmace needed was publicity. Ty for covering this man you could be making a world of difference.

[@CommanderTK9091]

This lawsuit is essentially Nexon claiming that they own their employees and anything they do or say whether as a current employee or not is copyrighted by them.

[@anonymouscommenter801]

Ironmace gets my respect. What a great group of people.

[@Shakzor1]

Just too bad that Ironmace is a word and therefore definitely owned by Nexon

[@gregoryc6656]

​@@Instabruh.User.. i believe you bro i just dont see commentary videos 😭

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

Nexon: How can anyone make a game within 10 months? Asset Flippers: 10 months? Those are rookie numbers. Give me 5 minutes and I'll make you a game.

[@DB123infane]

as a game dev this was so predictable but the fact they had that spread sheet ready to go that fast is beautiful. Every dev knows about these type of assets its amazing to me that they think this would work legal standing.

[@asthmeresivolisk3129]

Sure, game devs know these assets. But not the judge presiding over the case, nor the common juror should it come to that. It wouldn't take much to confuse a lay-person with some deviously worded language. This case has a long way to go before they're out of the woods, no matter how slam dunk of a case.

[@jonaut5705]

"It's impossible to make a good game in 10 months" Game jams:

[@freindlyspicerun4424]

as a person who played Maplestory as a wee zoomer lad up until i was in highschool, i get immense enjoyment seeing Nexon get those hands

[@drmohamedtaha3309]

I hope all this just makes dark and darker even more popular and successful .. i definitely wouldn't have heard of it if not for all this .. and now im waiting for it.

[@dogbee]

It’s a really good game

[@Whaccd]

Whoever did that spreadsheet better get a nice bonus this year. Looking forward to seeing this game come to full release, and I hope this only gives them more publicity.

[@tomj1676]

Oh yeah it's a good boost

[@shanefield7339]

If Nexon can't prove anything, they should have to pay a reasonable fine to IronMace due to time lost. Whatever an industry standard income would be for their size of audience for the time they were down. It's unreasonable that a company can just make a claim to shut down a company without any compensation. At the very least, Nexon should also have to shut down completely while the case is under investigation.

[@xcel8727]

Imagine McDonald's sue a smaller business/restaurant because they sell burgers.

[@Astr77]

You never heard of the whopper ordeal?😂

[@Astr77]

Whoever they sued (forgot) called their burgers "not a bigmac" for ages

[@lucasreis4606]

@@Astr77 i see nothing wrong, they are clearly stating that it is in fact, not a bigmac

[@fireburn264]

There's no way this goes to trial, a judge will throw this out in a heartbeat. Nexon just wanted to use bully tactics to silence competition.

[@jakeadams8443]

Still need money for defense in court.

[@olegtrushin6220]

@@jakeadams8443 can't you ask after trial (if you won) to compensate legal costs?

[@Mushyloni]

Don't they still need to foot the bill first though ?

[@purpleguy3924]

@@olegtrushin6220 yes but the issue is that the big company is gonna make it last so long that the small company cant afford it anymore and just has to give up. its a common tactic among big companies who want to ruin small companies early

[@Daktyl198]

@@olegtrushin6220 Yes, if somebody sues you, you can counter-sue for lost time and legal costs. If they lose the initial case, then you can be awarded compensation.

[@Shenorai]

This... is going to be SUCH a publicity boost for Dark and Darker.

[@evilhealer]

Nexon: “there’s no way you could make a game in 10 months!” Ironmace: “there’s no way YOU could make a game in 10 months!”

[@myrkurvr]

I love how ironmace is basically just going "Skill issue" to nexon when they are talking about releasing games in such a fast time frame.

[@dirkuhdirk5534]

The last line of their statement is so cold. They legit whipped out their meat, slapped it on the table and said, "bust out the measuring tape bud".

[@nltiro3387]

A blind person could tell which is larger.

[@nehemiah9190]

This is very encouraging that the team behind Dark & Darker have been preparing for legal action for quite some time now. This is a resounding and emphatic response, and hopefully will scare the bigwigs enough to showing their hand and having their cease & desist rescinded immediately.

[@no_commentary_chronicles]

If it wasn’t for Charlie, I’d never know what’s going on in the world

[@VanHellbright4763]

Charlie thanks again for keeping up on this! Without you there wouldn't be any real exposure about this stuff. LOVE YOU DUDE YOU THE BEST

[@god-me4rw]

Glazing

[@Mikedot]

What are you talking about? Plenty of people have been talking about this situation. Charlie's take isn't much different from everyone else who's been talking about it.

[@eldritchbidoof]

Obviously you haven't heard of SomeOrdinaryGamer haha

[@lamia197]

@@Mikedot And to be honest, Charlie does not go into alot of important things....

[@Lemmavs]

Anyone that learns coding gets it imprinted in their head, "USE GOOD NAMING THAT EVERYONE KNOWS" so that anyone can understand what you are doing with a name, through the code. Having a good named Asset/Function/Variable or whatever is GOOD PRACTICE.

[@futuza]

Also any competent claim of asset stealing would at a bare minimum include file hashes, and not include freaking asset store filenames for a basis of infringement. Half surprised Nexon wasn't stupid enough to claim "iostream.h" was stolen.

[@red__guy]

Bla.csv

[@mr_sauce_cooks]

Really? I often make my variables way short so i guess i was wrong

[@nosuchniceties1089]

@@mr_sauce_cooks when you’re working on a huge project with thousands of lines of code, yes

[@mr_sauce_cooks]

@@nosuchniceties1089 a stupid question but, does it effects the efficiency of the code? Long variable names i mean

[@RustyShackleford101]

8:20 you're right. There's even a clause in copyright law called "Scenes A Faire" that allows for tropes expected to be in a genre (I.E: fantasy stories having dragons and such) to be used freely.

[@Grahdens]

*Nexon* "We are gonna claim this genre!" *Tarkov looming over them* "What was that you little shit."

[@EquinFrost]

Nexon hurled thousands of punches and the devs behind dark and darker caught all of them

[@MysteriousMexican]

Nexon used their Ultimate and missed.

[@_-candy-_]

nexon got daigo parried

[@breakinglegsandbreakinghea3167]

A beautiful example of what pure dedication and passion can bring to a game is Hello Games. They were hated at first but fought through it all to build the game we have today

[@TheWrendre]

Busting out ChatGPT to showcase how generic and broad all these aspects are is freaking great! I don't see how Dark and Darker can lose this case!

[@irishmudslide1544]

Unfortunately money might make them win, though hopefully Ironmace launches a GoFundMe or something soon for fans to help back them. There's thousands that are willing

[@TuriGamer]

It being generic doesnt change the fact that its obviously stolen because they left their work on P3 at nexon to make dark and darker

[@darealquest]

Turi you seem to really like nexon, seeing all of your replies in this comment section

[@newb.justnewb.8762]

@@TuriGamer Begone bot

[@TuriGamer]

@@darealquest Im just sick of seeing all these clowns completely misunderstand the situation in their pathetic circle jerk. I dont care if you want to root for the small guy or just want to play dark&darker. Ironmace is still in the wrong here and if any of you researched the situation instead of just repeating the same dumb jokes you see in these comments you would know that. Watch kira's videos.

[@benjaminpayne4343]

If your being addressed on Charlie's channel, its either the best thing that could happen to your career, or your worst nightmare

[@TuriGamer]

Because he doesnt do any research and is biased as hell?

[@SixSixSixFTW]

@@TuriGamer Dumbass

[@troyklein6379]

​@Turi and you aren't biased in any way?

[@Hexra_]

Nexon is gonna sue them for arson now because holy hell that part about the game being done in a timely manner was a killer burn

[@BoobooAndre]

Charlie is passionate and upset about this one lol I can see it in his eyes and the classic chronic blinking lol

[@Chad_Thundercock]

Nexon: "You stole from P3" Atlus: "What's this about P3, now?"

[@ssjtorrez]

That's how you know Ironmace loves this game, Nexon didn't even remember showing the game to the public/blogs

[@KiatsuErbosa]

Bout time the little guys got a victory ✌

[@mr.waffles8739]

Nexon's lawsuit- Ironmace: I made this Nexon: You made this? Nexon: I made this

[@bailey10e54]

I hate when corporations bully with legal battles like this

[@jojocircus9818]

it’s so funny because nexon is acting like one of the kids in my class. i teach preschool and they’re acting like a little toddler saying “no no no mine that’s mine” and trying to cry to their mommy

[@crisperstorm]

"You can't copyright a genre" To be fair there's wackier things copyrighted... like literal colors you have to pay a license to use in Adobe

[@zacross8504]

To quote InternetHistorian, “[SkyTV] we’re gonna give gamers ‘No Mans One’”

[@fanis1414]

It's not the colors that you're paying for, it's the assurance that the color you pick on screen will be the exact same in print. It seems silly and completely unnecessary for the average user but it's pretty crucial for professionals that sell their digital art in physical form.

[@crisperstorm]

@@fanis1414 I dunno man the program replacing colors in your picture with black because you didn't buy a license to use it seems pretty silly to me

[@darkdeath5550]

Nexon really just tried to take someone down with the excuse of, "We buy our products at the same store and write the same genre of fanfic, so clearly they're stealing our stuff"

[@josefcayos4026]

difference is they actually worked for nexon making the exact same game so whatever progress they made in that codewise is owned by nexon. Nexon might have a case.

[@Corvid76]

And they've succeeded. No matter what Iron Mace says to the public, the fact is that it's now in litigation and as long as it remains in litigation Dark & Darker can't put their game out. This gives Nexon the time they need to finish the project P3 game that they've no doubt restarted development on after seeing the massive amount of interest in Dark & Darker.