Greeks are asking for the Parthenon marbles since they became a state in 1830s. You can’t say that Greeks sold them. It was the Ottomans that called these “rocks” and didn’t care for Elgin
@o_stavr45511 ай бұрын
@@vibes292 it is very sad that British have to accept that they are not an empire now and have to return the stolen treasures they obtained violently. The fact that you don’t belong to EU doesn’t mean you shouldn’t act like a country of 21st century and follow the Unesco requests and the common world opinion. Thankfully the majority of your fellow citizens don’t have the same aggressive opinion of you and your prime minister.
@Vasanistis1211 ай бұрын
@@vibes292 There is not such notion of Macedonian land that is not Greek, it's like claiming that a natural number is not a rational number. Turkish islands 😂😂. You might be a barbarian but you are a funny one 😂
@Macht511 ай бұрын
The Elgin Marbles are an ancient treasure in the true sense of the word, but from a nationalist perspective they are not our treasure. It is not our history, our ancestors, our heritage, or our pride. They hold no significance for the English beyond the aesthetic, they are a trophy.
@ntenimarkorareincarnation41829 ай бұрын
They belong to Greece i love Tonia go for it girl ❤
@stergiostabaris287611 ай бұрын
This simplistic man who calls himself half Greek says that Elgin saved the marbles when actually Tom Bruce (the man who managed to take the approval for the marbles to be taken) writes in his memoir that when they tried to take the third part of the Parthenon roof they destroyed a big part of it and he called the rest of stealing of. How on earth this guy is allowed to talk like that when there is this kind of proof
@CSBourne11 ай бұрын
If we are to return 'stolen historical property' then islam should return my local high St.
@margaretcunningham909211 ай бұрын
Well said!
@FFS70411 ай бұрын
And the £43 Billion Benefits stolen annually in London alone
@thesiren126811 ай бұрын
@@FFS704Problem is you Christians owe them trillions of pounds of loot your ancestors took and from which you benefit 😂
@JenYouWhine-zg8jk11 ай бұрын
@@thesiren1268Ah yes,the innocent Islamic religion which never stole or committed violence throughout history 😂
@noelpucarua284311 ай бұрын
So, you don't want anyone to return your high St. is that it?
@MervynPartin11 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, the "safe hands" of the British Museum did some restoration work on the marbles and actually damaged them. London may think that it is the Centre of the Universe but that is far from the case. The arrogance there is appalling. The Marbles were stolen from Greece- give them back.
@MervynPartin11 ай бұрын
@@iggo45Eloquently put. I agree with you completely. Your comment about the crown jewels is interesting as some of the diamonds within may have been obtained unethically as an occupying power (Don't expect the royals to be ethical, anyway). While I will not make apologies for actions carried out by others in the past, this is a wrong that can so easily be put right. The Marbles should be returned to Greece where they belong.
@theukeconomist651811 ай бұрын
It's simple. If items were stolen due to conquest then it ought to be given back. If they were bought or gifted then said items are kept.
@ruckandmaul501811 ай бұрын
What a rude woman! Demanding she is not interrupted and then constantly interrupting and shouting over the other guest. Her behaviour is, perhaps, more Ottoman Turk than she would like to admit!
@mjones408311 ай бұрын
Usually a sign the debate is being lost when the "debater" constantly interrupts /talks over other debaters . (Usually much more common on the left. )
@thesmilingpaws337211 ай бұрын
yes, of course, she isn't used to British fake politeness...
@eiriniefthymiadou232211 ай бұрын
Can you imagine the marble in her hands? 😀😀
@mikem821111 ай бұрын
There is no such ethnicity as Turkish you fool they have no specific dna strand unlike the Greeks who have the same DNA as Italians. Are the Italians Turkish also you fool 😂
@orka68484 ай бұрын
Turks are way better than both you and that woman... It was not occupied. Learn history first.
@FFS70411 ай бұрын
I seem to remember someone (a historian friend) mentioning that 70% of the land "confiscated" by the Normans in 1066 is still in the hands of the descendants of those families
@kumasenlac550411 ай бұрын
We demand reparations for the Beaker People !
@stephenbaker-lemay47911 ай бұрын
@@kumasenlac5504 I’ve got a beaker can I have some reparations.
@1DogAgility11 ай бұрын
and the Bayeaux Taplestry - it was embroidered by English nuns in Kent to depict the conquering of the Anglo Saxons by the Normans. Are we demanding this back?
@politicallyincorrect256410 ай бұрын
Thats crazy but didn't they become part of English? I mean Anglo Saxons themselves occupied the land by force.
@stephenbaker-lemay47910 ай бұрын
@@politicallyincorrect2564 The Saxons, Angles and Jutes migrated in large numbers and there are some historical records of battles that took place though it’s known that the local Britons did not lose them all, the numbers were the problem as the migrants increased the local tribes moved west and north to become Welsh, Irish, Scots and Cornish, technically all land has been taken by someone at some time.
@aquamanGR10 ай бұрын
Well, they were stolen, but that's not the argument that won me, personally. Many of the treasures in the British Museum, and other museums, are stolen. The thing with the Parthenon marbles is that they are a piece of an entire work of art, the Parthenon. The Mona Lisa argument that the Greek PM gave makes sense to me. I hope they find a way to work it out. By the way, for those interested, look up the letters that Lord Elgin's wife was writing to him at the time. She was asking him to bring back *the entire parthenon*, and set it up in their back yard or something. Crazy....
@kevinb983011 ай бұрын
The fact is, they were bought. That's it. End of debate.
@noelpucarua284311 ай бұрын
Even the British know buying stolen goods is a crime.
@PointNemo911 ай бұрын
No. They were stolen by the Ottomans and then bought by the British
@eleri702411 ай бұрын
They were bought from the invading turks and NOT from the indigenous greeks
@georgerj241911 ай бұрын
That’s right. The scary is thing how ignorant some people are. Especially those who claim that they were stolen.
@eleri702411 ай бұрын
@@georgerj2419 They were not purchased from the Greeks. It was purchased from the Turks
@MiD-k7u11 ай бұрын
There is enough of Greece in the UK, as the great Briton Percy Shelley said: "Our laws, our literature, our religion, our arts have their root in Greece." ... we don't need the stolen sculptures too. The Greeks (with the sole exception of the Chinese) exhibit unique cultural, linguistic, and genetic continuity over millenia.
The Half pig half human has no place in historical and cultural debates.
@Buddhavibez11 ай бұрын
Why should people pay money to go and see artefacts belonging to other countries, when the money paid to see them could benefit the countries they’re from.
@britastertern-gill496111 ай бұрын
Why so many overbearing women on GB News?
@petesmitt11 ай бұрын
Rafe is right; Tonia is letting her Greek heritage go to her head.
@margaretcunningham909211 ай бұрын
Deport her!
@keplermission494711 ай бұрын
Yes Tonia sounds British to me and should spend more time in Greece.
@bumberClart100011 ай бұрын
She all right It’s all right 😊
@greekre11 ай бұрын
i understand that heritage isnt important to the british we see it daily on the evening news
@ph505611 ай бұрын
@@greekreand you speak for all the Brits do you ? And also believe the MSM..oh ok ; )
@margaretcunningham909211 ай бұрын
It's difficult to understand the situation when the two guests talked over each other!
@dobs86211 ай бұрын
Elgin payed the equivalent of £4 million in todays money to the authorities in Greece . He did not steal the marbles .
@ismoojanen860111 ай бұрын
He paid the authorities of the Ottoman Empire, not Greece.
@noelpucarua284311 ай бұрын
Elgin payed the Turks. Knowingly buying stolen goods is a crime. Even the British know that.
@unionjackjackson435211 ай бұрын
@@ismoojanen8601irrelevant, the Greeks of the time had left them to rot.
@malcolmstead27211 ай бұрын
@@ismoojanen8601 Using your logic Alaska should not have been purchased from the Russians.
@ismoojanen860111 ай бұрын
Rather difficult to follow your "logic", but no. If you want you can ask the money Elgin paid back from Ottoman Empire or it's successor state Turkey@@malcolmstead272
@filipposg11 ай бұрын
Britain does not have to worry that its hold over the world will suffer a significant blow if it returns the Parthenon marbles to Greece. On the contrary, it will have a positive affect on Britain's image in the world.
@itsbrilliant-bt8sv11 ай бұрын
People like Buxton are just talking heads being obtuse for the sake of it. I enjoy GBNews but these contrived 'bun fights' are getting a bit tedious now.
@tammymarks11 ай бұрын
This argument is going nowhere. We know that the Left's goal is to break this country apart.
@dovetonsturdee703311 ай бұрын
With these people, the old Groucho Marx song seems to apply.'Whatever it is, I'm against it.'
@steveturner677011 ай бұрын
😂😂the Nazis gold stolen off jews should stay with Germany
@brostelio10 ай бұрын
These are NOT just "artifacts". They are fragments of a whole work of immense historical significance that can only be appreciated as a whole, in theor place of origin. The argument about modern Greece not being part of ancient Greece is appallingly ignorant. Having a Greek great grandfather and kinship with a (failed) Greek politician does not automatically give you an understanding of what is going on. I barely understand Greece even though I actually live there and am Greek myself!
@fazedumbjr653111 ай бұрын
Rafe is to clever for her
@trevorhart54511 ай бұрын
Not much of a compliment, 98% of the World is far more intelligent than this uneducated (or wasted education) woman.
@IanHolmes-m7f11 ай бұрын
No he is not he talks crap the British have of a history of stealing from other countries
@benbim54011 ай бұрын
And the roman empire stole all of England's gold and silver. SO what.
@terrack11 ай бұрын
You are not allowed to go that far back regarding England's history or any references to events like that. Only references regarding slave trades or colonial conquests are permitted.
@janeslater800411 ай бұрын
Yes exactly Its pathetic
@chrisalexander44693 ай бұрын
there was no england that time
@stevevids160811 ай бұрын
Elgin paid for the Marbles £100,000 at the time.
@rawschri11 ай бұрын
The Parthenon was being used as an ammunition dump by the Ottomans when it was hit by a shell during the Ottoman Venetian war in 1687, and virtually destroyed the place. By the time Elgin removed the friezes between 1800-1803, bits of the Parthenon were being torn off and melted for building lime, or used as aggregate for foundations. That said, I would ask the Greeks to commission and pay for an exact replica to be produced using 3D technology, ( payment up front please, we're talking Greece after all .. ) and then they can pay for the originals to return to Athens .....
@elbmw11 ай бұрын
@rawschri "Torn off"? Then how come the remainder of the frieze survives and is displayed in the Acropolis museum today? Some small bits may have been taken and used as building materials but not from the frieze so that argument is a non argument.
@paulrudiger255211 ай бұрын
They took the dust of the Parthenon after Elgin plundered the most important stuff and build Acropolis again, as you claim. By the way have you ever been to Acropolis of Athens?
@IBTU11 ай бұрын
Still doesn’t excuse not giving them back
@StratosGia11 ай бұрын
''Payment up front pleaase, we're talking about Greece after all''. You probably know nothing about British finacial past and present. Is not neccessary to be arrogant. By the way, Elguin, British Goverment or you, have paid nothing for Parthenon Marbles. You can admit that without the treasures of other countries you have nothing for your British museum. This is you biggest problem. But, you can display in your museum the BigBen the Red Telephone Boxes and the Harrods. is time to visit Greece and Parthenon and learn a few things about history democracy and civilization. You need it.
@roberttravis345011 ай бұрын
Elgin bought them from the then legal government, THEY WERE NOT STOLEN @@paulrudiger2552
@matthewbacon573411 ай бұрын
I remember losing my favourite marbles when I was about seven, I looked a bit glum at the dinner table and told my big brother. After tea he went to the boy three doors up a couple of years older than me and came back with a Quality Street tin full of marbles easy. I don't know the politics involved but they worked.
@philigeo311 ай бұрын
Where has the Nubians gone or the assyrians. The greeks didn’t highjack and rob others history as the uninformed person accuses the greeks of. Haters gonna hate.
@nicolaallen769811 ай бұрын
They weren't stolen. The Greeks and Egyptians used thete ancient monuments as bomb sites during the war, they didn't care about them. People are living in Egyptian tombs today....wake up. These gems would have been lost if it wasn't for the British Museum. Woke!!
@ΆντριαΕ11 ай бұрын
You're very ignorant. The Turks used the Parthenon for ammunition not us Greeks.
@PointNemo911 ай бұрын
Greece was occupied during that time...
@davidcrawford858311 ай бұрын
I usually agree with Tonia on lots of subjects. But Rafe absolutely destroyed her.
@jujutrini841211 ай бұрын
His basic argument is that we wouldn’t have any stuff in the British museum if we had to give everything back. That’s it. Not a compelling argument in my opinion! 😂😂😂
@pem...11 ай бұрын
@@jujutrini8412it's a valid argument! It would show a massive sign of weakness, and with what's going on in the world right now that would be a terrible move! So we HAVE to keep it all forever 😁✌🏻
@johnnywires94311 ай бұрын
Tonia is not the right person to argue about the marbles.Someone like Stephen Fry would have put Rafe in his place.The marbles were stolen and had they been a part of Stonehenge,Britain would have kicked up more of a fuss than anyone.More annoying is that Rafe is behaving more English than British.He has so many different bloodlines inside him ,he needs to be told that he is just about British.What an arrogant human being.I hope the Greeks get their stolen artifacts back and Rafe sits down to learn where he actually comes from.British maybe,English and an Elgin,no way near.Elgin would have sold him.
@giorgismaximos866211 ай бұрын
@@pem... It woud show greatness You can't keep something not yours
@greoko11 ай бұрын
He didn't lol Rafe did nothing but say they were saved even though the ones that remained in Greece are in better condition
@dianeirvine762411 ай бұрын
Don’t worry - David Cameron is on the case , he’s already lost his marbles
@trevorhart54511 ай бұрын
Definitely the best comment so far and the most truthful.
@stratfordbaby11 ай бұрын
Tonia was losing so she started to philibuster instead.
@AquarianAgeMaitreya11 ай бұрын
Someone has her knickers in a knot, methinks. lol
@coolhand196611 ай бұрын
How about returning some illegal immigrants.
@jimmccubbin667911 ай бұрын
Oh, Dear, Two of my very favourite tv personalities in contention . . . . Both are normally so rational, temperate and sensible, but the wonderful and beautiful Tonia is so impassioned in this 'discussion' and I must declare that I side with Rafe in this instance. Nonetheless, I will continue to look forward to seeing and hearing Tonia wherever and whatever is discussed as long as it's not about losing marbles . . .
@vinceb438011 ай бұрын
Give back the Dinosaurs!🐉😂😂
@robinbatman740511 ай бұрын
Didn't Britain help prop up Greece through its Billions of £'s we paid the EU for 45 years to subsidise the poorer EU Nations for decades!
@johnwade109511 ай бұрын
Yes. There are 5700 British dead in Greek soil too, and Greece has defaulted on debts to Britain 5 times...
@John-r5o1s11 ай бұрын
Tanya … can Britain’s have the slice of our pleasant land your occupying by living here … you can live in Greece and enjoy your own culture there 😂
@dnstone112711 ай бұрын
Keir Starmer wants to send them back but probably not politically acceptable to change the law to allow it.
@alanbadham11 ай бұрын
What's it got to do with stormer. If he comes to power he's going to change everything. The foul stench of rotting shit that come's out of his mouth
@kpech83511 ай бұрын
"rediscovering greek civilization", while ALL of Europe was on Dark Ages Greek civilization was pretty much alive prospering, when Ottomans conquered Byzantium and the eastern Dark Ages started, just let us know scholars from WHERE started spreading the idea of renaissance? Guy needs to start some diet or something to gain some clarity because all his points are as weak as his eyesight
@janeslater800411 ай бұрын
The elgin marbles were not stolen. Survive the jive has full story of how they were purchased and britain preserved and protected a lot of artifects as their own countries part of britain back then did not know what they were and tbey would have ended up damaged or destroyed. Many things were bought.
@elbmw11 ай бұрын
@janeslater8004 Some bloke down the pub offered me a cheap ipad. When I asked him where he got it from he said be bought them from someone else that temporarily acquired access to someones house. He even offered me a receipt if I wanted it. Suffice to say, I said no!
@ssjmonstar11 ай бұрын
@@elbmwand I said yes to him
@eleri702411 ай бұрын
The greeks never sold the marbles
@georgerj241911 ай бұрын
That’s how it is, Jane. You’re absolutely right.
@dovetonsturdee703311 ай бұрын
@@eleri7024 But the government of Greece at the time and for the previous 350 years, the Ottoman Empire, did.
@xgkotkot4211 ай бұрын
"We saved them" then how come the other half of the marbles are safe in the Acropolis Museum?
@foamige11 ай бұрын
Rafe is a legend. Tonya looks like a 450 year old vampire 😂
@garypowell154011 ай бұрын
That is as maybe. But I still would, wouldn't you?
@foamige11 ай бұрын
@@garypowell1540 Without question 😂
@vikingfrog720411 ай бұрын
@@foamigeyou 2 have ended me🤣🤣
@foamige11 ай бұрын
@@vikingfrog7204 glad we could entertain 😂
@eleftheriapapadopoulou11 ай бұрын
Your comment says a lot about you.
@johnwade109511 ай бұрын
Poor misguided lady. She needs a sit down and a biscuit.
@johnwade109511 ай бұрын
@iggo45 Nope. The Ottomans were shooting at them as you well know. Keep your posts short please.
@rosewhite---11 ай бұрын
who is the noisy irrational woman?
@zaftra11 ай бұрын
No, they were gifted. And do you know what else they are? they are ours now - hahahahahahah
@zaftra11 ай бұрын
@@iggo45 you expect people to read all that?
@zaftra11 ай бұрын
@@iggo45 Don't expect too many replies mate.
@anyoldorion11 ай бұрын
My marbles have gone… It’s this freezing weather.
@MrAarongilbey11 ай бұрын
Offer to sell the items back to Greece if they want them so badly. They have hugely increased in value, cash in!
@elbaz86011 ай бұрын
Which bit of "they were paid for" doesn't she get? But it's all Greek to me. ;-)
@philipwhiteman613411 ай бұрын
whats it got to do with her
@richiebull804011 ай бұрын
Not stolen, and as usual, if your points not excepted or agreed with,,,,,,,, start shouting !
@davidseals489811 ай бұрын
Look what Isis did in Iraq and Syria and folk moan we got them safe here
@chaos-exert-da11 ай бұрын
Is it just me or has the world lost its marbles
@silasrocco11 ай бұрын
women get so emotional
@t.k.moondog186511 ай бұрын
He means to say the worlds STOLEN treasures.
@thegeneralmitch11 ай бұрын
buying the elgin marbles and bringing them to the British museum did more good for Greece in terms of inspiring a generation of artists and architects and creating interest that lead to tourism than any EU bail out ever did. They continue to do more good for Greece being in the UK than any short term political gain that the current government can expect to achieve with this unsightly tantrum.
@run2cat4run11 ай бұрын
Thats what the slave owners said when they brought slaves
@mjones408311 ай бұрын
@@run2cat4run No , surely that what black Africans told the fellow black Africans (that they had rounded up and captured ) when selling them on to the trans Atlantic traders .
@AndyWWW11 ай бұрын
@@run2cat4run The principal difference here is that the slaves are not considered property, at least, not any more, while, as i understand it, the Elgin marbles were purchased from the land owner legitimately.
@Alexs.259911 ай бұрын
Keep projecting British excuses. They belong in Greece period!
@MiD-k7u11 ай бұрын
Firstly, the outdated "legality" argument is pretty much on its last legs given the relatively recent discovery that the claimed "firman" (contract) appears to have never existed. Indeed the Turkish authorities who have access to the original ottoman archives have stated that no documentary evidence exists. This aside, there is absolutely no moral justification for the stolen sculptures to not be returned. A) It's well documented that the British have damaged the sculptures in a variety of ways. B) the sculptures that remain in Greece (in their state of the art museum) are in better condition than those in London. C) the Greeks have been campaigning for over 200 years for the sculptures to be returned. D) even before winning their war of independence, under oppression, they still sought to protect the sculptures from the actions of their occupiers... an excellent example described by Stephen Fry: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zmaak4RmrdOdnLM The majority of the British public agree that they should be returned to Greece.
@nigeace11 ай бұрын
Tonia sadly lost the argument immediately as she became too over the top, shouty and aggressive. Rafe, gave a dignified and eloquent explanation of why the British should keep them. Tonia should take a leaf out of Rafe’s book in how to debate in a cordial manner.
@fridayscoldone409611 ай бұрын
As he always does.
@fridayscoldone409611 ай бұрын
@@iggo45 you need to get out more. Be on the right side of history ? If we start doing this every county in the world will have to start giving things back and have claims on things it believes are it's property either historically religiously or culturally, it's a can of worms. Just keep taking the 100s of millions we pay the Greeks in tourism, if I recall we have a minus export vs imports with the greeks so you have a trade surplus with us too, anything else ? Stop whining at the British you do very well out of us.
@williamwilkes987311 ай бұрын
Théy are ours,..,, ....
@MarkBurgess-ef6fw11 ай бұрын
The Brit’s payed for them because Elgin realized they needed to be saved.!!
@comingafteryou535211 ай бұрын
His action and the actions of the British museum damaged the sculptures furthermore...
@crumpetsbuttered11 ай бұрын
They were saved, purchased and will be looked after.
@Fyrapan9011 ай бұрын
Looked after just like with all the other artifacts that has been reported stolen from the English museum? What a joke!
@thesmilingpaws337211 ай бұрын
they were stolen like so many other staff from other cultures and rest assured we don't need you to protect them, we have so many treasures in Greek museums so well taken care of. Create your own culture and give back what you have stolen.
@vassilisioannou548811 ай бұрын
his not part Greek his just a british museum puppet
@GBR4ME11 ай бұрын
What a rude woman!
@philiprussell126211 ай бұрын
She’s typically outclassed
@Pollydoidle11 ай бұрын
They should be given back if the Greeks took half of Stonehenge we would want it back …..sunak was bang out of order over this , man is no prime minister
@lawrencerutherford426011 ай бұрын
saying that modern Greece is the same as ancient Greece is like claiming that the Visigoths and Spanish are the same or Boudica's Celts and the modern British are identical. its ridiculous
@FFS70411 ай бұрын
Absolutely right, or that the Etruscans and Italians are one and the same people...
@jujutrini841211 ай бұрын
It doesn’t matter anyway.
@digenesakritas110711 ай бұрын
So you wouldn't have a problem if we stole Stonehenge and stored it in a museum in Greece? While we're knicking Stonehenge we can also take some artifacts from the Roman Baths at Bath since those races have no connection to the modern day British!
@totspur637611 ай бұрын
@@digenesakritas1107 We sold the Americans London bridge and no one is asking for it back. If the Greeks had bought Stonehenge from the Romans in order to save and preserve them, then they would have every right to store the circle in a museum in Athens as a legitimately purchased artifact.
@helgaioannidis936511 ай бұрын
Well fact is that a Greek born in 2003 would be able to communicate with a Greek born in 200 BC and is able to understand roughly what a text written in 200 BC is talking about, while a Spaniard born in 2003 would be pretty unable to converse with a Visigoth from 2000 years ago. So while of course Greeks today have a different religion to the one they had back when the Parthenon was built and have adapted to the changes that the progress of science has brought, they have still kept certain traits in their mentality, society structure, customs and view of the world. As a German that has been living in Greece for 20 years I'm always surprised about how little people actually know about Greece, the culture and the history.
@petegarnett773111 ай бұрын
If the French had sold the top of the Eiffel tower it would have been ther loss. The same applies to the Elgin marbles, which were effectively scrapped, unlike the Eiffel Tower.
@petegarnett773111 ай бұрын
p.s. The Athenic "democracy" would not have allowed her to have an opinion.
@noelpucarua284311 ай бұрын
She didn't say anything like that. But you weren't listening. She said 'if the Nazis had sold the top of the Eiffel tower'. I know that's hard for you to understand but if you really, really try to get someone to help you, you might begin to understand.
@petegarnett773111 ай бұрын
@@noelpucarua2843 I am aware that I did not repeat what she said, but being part of an Empire for around 4 centuries as Greece was is a subtly different matter from being split in two and partly under temporary control of another country. Personally I do not mind where they are if they are kept in good condition, which seems unlikely if they had still been in Greece for the last 200 years. Sue the Turks first.
@Usera2324dfre11 ай бұрын
It's not Elgins And it's not marlbes Ok
@noelpucarua284311 ай бұрын
@@petegarnett7731So, you say it's different because the Third Reich didn't work out. Otherwise you'd be fine with Nazis selling off the top of the Eiffel Tower, is that it?
@denisburgess296611 ай бұрын
The marbles have not been stolen .Elgin is on Scotland.
@welshhibby11 ай бұрын
emotion v logic
@vikingfrog720411 ай бұрын
We helped bail Greece out during their financial crash we're even
@StephenFirth-ui7oz11 ай бұрын
What i find is the obvious hatred of the british and the lack of gratitude for all thst we have done for good or bad, everything that we have given to the world. Tha sacrifices that we have made, financially and physically we ended slavery and hitler, yes we did bad things but the good far outweighs the bad, however we receive no gratitude just pure hatred and ingratitude, i believe people would dearly like to see the end of our great union, this makes me so sad, we are amongst the first to aid any other nation, and i am not referring to our political establishment they are only interested in money,
@Vasanistis1211 ай бұрын
Sorry to ruin it for you pal, but as we speak you are occupying EU's sovereign soil at Cyprus. Apart from helping us win the communists in Athens at 44' (which you have done to serve your own agenda) you have just brought trouble to us. Conspired with the French to assasinate our Prime Minister and imposed a Babarian King in Greece. Occupied Cyprus. Damaged and cultuarly appopriated the Parthenon. Backstabed as during the Greco-Turkish war of 1921. And now the Torries want to sell fighting jets to Erdogan. Dont pretent to be our friends, you arent.
@StephenFirth-ui7oz11 ай бұрын
@vasanistis12 You have clearly made my point for me, neither I nor any member ofthe British public are occupying any other country, You obviously have an issue with Cyprus, you are welcome to enlighten me, but as I stated previously the British Parliament are the ones that invade and oppress, you are going back in history and trying to lay the blame at the feet of the british people, who for decades have been fed lies and propaganda, though I feel we are finally seeing the light, thanks for the acknowledgement for the help, governments always divide and conquer, then the people perpetuate the division and hatred,
@Vasanistis1211 ай бұрын
@@StephenFirth-ui7oz Each nation is responsible for its ruling elite. It would have been easy for me to claim that the Greek people are not responsible for the catastrophic economical crisis of 2008, that we were misled by our politicians, but this would have been only a partial truth. Im not going back to history, I would be the last one to accuse the son for the sins of the father, but after spending 2 years on the british isle already, all I have seen is either demoralized people that support HAMAS or people how are lowkey proud about stealing our marbles. For the past 60 years till NOW the UK has gained control of Cypriot land, using it to host its 2 military bases. Give the marbles back, leave Cyprus and then we can start discussing on how we can built up our friendship again.
@StephenFirth-ui7oz11 ай бұрын
Again, I believe you are wrong, you make demands before negotiations, do you really believe we have a choice in who rules us, or that they resources wishes, I may be wrong but the marbles were legally purchased, again not by the public
@Vasanistis1211 ай бұрын
@@StephenFirth-ui7oz They were bought from Elgin, but Elgin himself stole them from the Parthenon.
@joelsononomuodeke392311 ай бұрын
Honestly where did that woman come from? Ottoman Empire by right of conquest own those marbles and they gave permission for the marbles to be taken away because they do not value it. Greek should be moving away from this conversation instead of trying to bring up conflicts where there is none. This is why war was fought in the past when nations leaders refused to accept the agreement of their predecessors. The British own some land in France. So should dey tell France to give them the land back too. Honestly the Greek prime minister is petty
@janeslater800411 ай бұрын
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@bertiescunsbutch932311 ай бұрын
You mean England through the royalty once owned land in France, Great Britain and England today own no French land at all.
@rollerrollerichson625811 ай бұрын
@@rightray7463you are proud of stolen artefacts? Britain should show their own historic artifacts... Oh wait...
@margaretcunningham909211 ай бұрын
We want all the aid we sent to Greece to keep them afloat!
@trevorhart54511 ай бұрын
@@rollerrollerichson6258 PROVE that they are STOLEN. The Legal Owner SOLD them and accepted payment from Lord Elgin. Elgin then sold them to the British Museum. Both sales were legal at the time. Laws cannot be imposed retrospectively so the Greek government is making False Representations in asking for something they have no legal ownership of.
@herbertvonzinderneuf854711 ай бұрын
A shout out here to Peter Andre's intelligent and insightful contribution to proceedings. He was prob thinking "what is all this fuss over some little glass balls."
@tonypriest356711 ай бұрын
Yes he's come a long way has our Peter since he fell down that BIG HOLE when he was in the jungle!!!! Nice to see him back on his feet !!?
@snakeplissken548011 ай бұрын
@@tonypriest3567 lol
@barneymagee328511 ай бұрын
Send them the bill for British lives lost in their defence in ww2.
@Vasanistis1211 ай бұрын
only after you pay rent for occupying parts of Cyprus, an EU member, for more than 60 years already.
@jetbuggs11 ай бұрын
The British museum is one of the biggest crime scenes in history!
@robertparkinson691911 ай бұрын
For God's sakes Gb news find something more important .
@williamscott800911 ай бұрын
Peter Andre looking on wondering what the fuss is all about. Marbles eh Peter!!
@kittywitty897010 ай бұрын
They are part of a hugely precious world monument in a country that shaped the human race. They need to go home. To view them in a different place to Athens means nothing.
@zaftra11 ай бұрын
They only want them now because they are worth a bit.
@akht514311 ай бұрын
Foreigners not allowed here but there artifacts are ok to be here plus the cheek of the guy saying no would go to Athens to see them so full of himself so imperialistic
@stratfordbaby11 ай бұрын
Tonia is Greek Cypriot. She is NOT objective. She needs to be QUIET.
@joeyjojojrshabadoo746211 ай бұрын
I knew it! This should be about collaborative rebuilding of art and shared history but what is really about is this cheap Greek nationalist point scoring against the Turks.
@zzzpip11 ай бұрын
i believe we should give all his crap back. when its gone its gone .who gives a toss.
@dlawrence318711 ай бұрын
Tonia’s analogy isn’t quite accurate. Imagine your neighbour bought a painting from the previous householder, then you moved in and set the house on fire for an insurance claim. Then many years later you discovered the painting that was previously in your house was at the neighbour’s and you asked for it to be returned to it’s original location.
@PointNemo911 ай бұрын
Analogies are stupid
@rb106211 ай бұрын
@@PointNemo9No - they explain situations to Pointless simpletons
@MiD-k7u11 ай бұрын
Imagine your house has been invaded, your people oppressed, murdered and r*ped, this carries on for many years, your descendents preserve their culture and language despite centuries of oppression (a historical miracle) and eventually manage to expel their invaders from the house via a war of independence that came at great cost ("Freedom or Death'). At one stage of the war, the invaders run out of bullets so decide to start melting down parts of your "PAINTING", for use as bullets, to stop this going on, you literally GIVE YOUR OWN AMMUNITION to these invaders to avoid them further damaging your "PAINTING". Meanwhile a scottish lord sneaks in and cuts the "PAINTING" in half, claiming permission from the invaders (despite no documentary evidence ever being produced). Finally you have reclaimed your house, and start to put out the fires that were never set by you, and ask the scottish lord to have some godamn respect and give back the "PAINTING". There is enough of Greece in the UK, as the great Briton Percy Shelley said: "Our laws, our literature, our religion, our arts have their root in Greece." ... you don't need the stolen sculptures too.
@mikem821111 ай бұрын
Imagine The Nazis invaded England during WW2 and sold the Greeks the clock from Big Ben. That's pretty much exactly what happened
@christopherrotter396911 ай бұрын
It is now possible, using modern moulding and casting techniques, to make PERFECT copies of marble sculptures. Indeed, there are products that will reproduce surface features down to a fingerprint. The Elgin Marbles could be reproduced in situ which, in itself, would be an interesting and informative experience for the public. What is more, multiples could then be cast and shared with other institutions. Still, Heydel-Mankoo makes a valid point. As a New Yorker, I consider the Met Museum, Columbia University, our magnificent public library and Lincoln Center the four chambers of our city’s (cultural) beating heart. The idea that every antiquity or work of art belonging to another culture should be stripped from a city as diverse as our own, or London is, frankly, preposterous. Should the New York Phil stop performing “foreign” music?
@giorgismaximos866211 ай бұрын
Music is not the same as an ancient sculpture which is unique and cannot be reproduced and be the same as the original Even in music there is original and others have a " copy " of this music So the British museum may keep the copies of the Marbles The museums will not be stripped from all artifacts The specific sculptures are an integral part of the Parthenon, which is unique there is no second one
@MrSmegfish11 ай бұрын
Yes...Country music shoukd be sent back to where it comes from. Cornwall.
@nikosppetrou26716 ай бұрын
Well then take everything to London & Paris. Seriously, take everything there form the whole world so more people can see them and study them. Is he serious? Absolutely discussed by his arguments. No logic, no ethic, nothing at all. She gave perfect examples in one's he could not answer.
@petersmith591511 ай бұрын
Greeks today are mostly arab descended, when the marbles were created they werent tho, they resisted all that cos they wanted to stay as they were, in ancient greece people like peter andre were classed as "black" the people on the marbles are "white" in the traditional european sense imo.
@johnm.761111 ай бұрын
How clueless you are! Study history my friend!
@margaretcunningham909211 ай бұрын
Then, the Spanish should give back all the gold & silver they stole from the Aztecs. The Romans & Vikings should give back all they stole from the British!
@thesiren126811 ай бұрын
@@margaretcunningham9092 And Britain should give back the trillions it looted from India and China 😂
@Vasanistis1211 ай бұрын
You are clueless and ignorant. Modern greeks have pre-Homeric DNA and have no arabic traces on their genetics, probably you are confused with the case of Egypt. Moreover the marbles used to be painted with colorful compinations. You have no idea about the same culture you are pretending to belong.
@tommyrotton946811 ай бұрын
Prince Philip was Greek and King Charles father, so what is the problem, the Greeks own the marbles
@kenboro484211 ай бұрын
The British museum has some things that belong to me shall I send them a list one of the items is my gallstones
@bumberClart100011 ай бұрын
Suppositories? 😊
@professormcclaine573811 ай бұрын
The Greek government should be grateful the baubles were preserved by the museum and offer a financial donation to the BM instead of constantly complaining.
@Theycallmemister11 ай бұрын
Not likely to see much laboureux work any time soon from Rafe. Bending Down to serve a dog belongs to the poor
@elbmw11 ай бұрын
@Dailyoracle-kc1vq Comment of the day! I am not surprised you haven't gotten any upvotes for it though as I think it may be a little too deep for the crowd here. Anyway, well done and you have 1 upvote from me.
@Theycallmemister11 ай бұрын
@@elbmw thank you.
@Theycallmemister11 ай бұрын
I am not asking for a Upvote.
@Theycallmemister11 ай бұрын
I don't have to agree to finding Rafe a good looking man nor do I need to like his biberon 🍼 baby body language
@elbmw11 ай бұрын
@@Theycallmemister I know. But the fact that you said the most interesting thing here and did not receive any upvotes yet there are plenty flying about and for the most inane comments did perk my curiosity.
@vinceb438011 ай бұрын
Thou Shalt Not Steal!❌
@edwardburroughs148911 ай бұрын
Fact: They were NOT stolen! That remains a fact whatever ones opinion on the issue may be.
@JenYouWhine-zg8jk11 ай бұрын
Back to the kitchen, Tonia.
@skulptor11 ай бұрын
People who say they were stolen really want them given back to the Turks.
@ismoojanen860111 ай бұрын
I am not expert of Parthenon marbles, but maybe there is somewhere contract which proof that Elgin paid for the Ottoman Empire or just bribe some Ottoman official. In both cases he stole the Artwork from building and country they belongs
@beaker225711 ай бұрын
This would have been interesting if they both let the other make their point.
@giorgismaximos866211 ай бұрын
The Marbles are parts of the Parthenon and were stolen ,they belong to Greece and must be returned
@kgmic2 ай бұрын
basically his argument is that although ethically he understands is the correct thing to do, nevertheless doing so will open pandoras box and BM might be left with nothing. because they are all stolen