Trump Base GOES AFTER Elon, Vivek Over Foreign Worker Visas

[@danhoffman9232]

H1B visa lock the worker into the company who sponsered them. It allows them to be abused by employers longer hours and lower pay.

[@CC-vw1cs]

@@danhoffman9232 good point

[@Salman-Bin-Ahmed]

exactly. thats why I left US when I had H1B. total slavery by a third party who applies your H1B. The big companies dont exploits tbh, but the third party small companies who do, they definitely abuse the employees

[@laser7861]

Absolutely

[@jeremyholbrook2094]

@@danhoffman9232 do you mean a contract? 🤔 Contract employment isn't slavery. Lol It's used in many fields like nursing. A contract can be broken at any time but it's at a cost. Many H1bs are coming straight from American universities.

[@1jaedan]

ironic how Cenk considers himself "for the workers" yet doesn't seem to understand this massive issue you've brought up

[@terrylynndelman]

Cheap labor

[@kirkdubois8898]

Just an FYI... 2022 According to the USCIS, the average annual salary for H-1B visa holders in computer-related occupations was $129,000. 2024 According to ZipRecruiter, the average annual salary for H-1B visa holders is $167,533.

[@laser7861]

As a H1B immigrant myself, I think h1B has a lot of loopholes that give body shoppers a lot of leverage over their workers with the restrictions it imposes on the visa holder. It is almost akin to modern day slavery. Not to mention the impact it has on American salaries and enriching 3rd grade businesses (aka body shoppers). We need to have something like a Canadian immigration system. If you are so highly qualified and there is a shortage of workers, you should be allowed to immigrate and compete in the job market rather than being slave to the company that sponsors your h1B and be abused.

[@sagapoetic8990]

People don't realise, the Republicans want to use the H1B process and other work visas to keep a supply of cheap and temporary labour pumping into the US. It keeps wages down for Americans all right. Increasingly, Americans can't afford their own country. The Republicans have also made higher education unaffordable for many Americans and have this horrible view only the elites should pursue it, too. People from outside the US think it gives them a great opportunity and aren't they smarter than Americans --- until they ask for too high a raise or want to pursue a green card and the employer can easily send them back or cut their visa sponsorship. The companies just want cheap labour. THe problem is: what do you do with all the unemployed or low paid Americans who increase each year?? You are getting a recipe for disaster, that's what. We don't want the Canadian immigration system. We want good paying jobs in our own country for citizens and green card holders first.

[@Joe-n4q]

@@laser7861 also, companies should pay two times the rate to hire these world class engineers that we apparently can't find in our world-class company. Let's really make sure that this isn't about saving money and more about only being able to find the cream of the crop engineers.

[@babyarrow13]

I went to grad school for software engineering. 90% of my classmates were Chinese or Indian. The economy is moving into a high tech era and instead of finding ways to get American citizens into these programs and filling this role you want to bring over foreign labor to work for less wages to fill these jobs as American citizens fall deeper into despair and are left behind by a capitalist society which will do nothing for them. You cannot support an abandonment of the American working class and call yourself a populist of any sort. You are siding with Musk’s desire for his billionaire class to exploit cheaper labor rather than get Americans up to speed in the new economy. Shame on you. In any other society you’d be expelled for being a traitor. This isn’t about racism, this is about taking care of our own people. Whether they are black, brown, white, yellow, or purple.

[@jeremyholbrook2094]

@@babyarrow13 Undermineding labor has been the source of inequality. Access to affordable education plays are role in upward mobility for sure. Maybe it's time to realize it's that Tech isn't sexy in our culture. Most of it's entirely boring in fact. Long hours of coding? If you have the money for school your more likely to gravitate to finance. Is it any wonder we we have so many financial instruments for beating on the market.

[@bathtub_marmot]

I just spent 5 years watching entry level software engineering roles go to literally everyone but me. Everyone from my bootcamp is 5 years further ahead in their careers (the ones who still feel like being engineers at least) and I'm still working toward job #1. My buddy (who is Indian and actually failed the same bootcamp and got his first SE job in 2019) told me in 2022, "It would be easier if you were brown!". 5 years losing out to DEI, now they want more H1Bs. KZbin will probably pull this comment.

[@Structura-c5x]

@@bathtub_marmot They want people with immigrant backgrounds, like Indians, because they’re more submissive and won’t do much job hopping. It’s not DEI, this practice will likely continue during this new administration.

[@oliverdahlberg838]

Maybe improve your education instead of blocking out people who are more educated than you and Americans would have no problem competing in this high tech market

[@babyarrow13]

@ There sits three degrees on my wall and I am locked into a high paying tech job with the government. You can hold my balls with those personal attacks bud.

[@armchairprotester1]

I'm in IT and remember when Disney Corp fired their IT department and replaced them with foreign HB-1s and had to train them because they ARE cheaper.

[@johndominguez2725]

H1-Bs dumbass

[@coreybrenner]

@armchairprotester1 I have, in the past, quit a job before I would train my H1B replacement. No disrespect to those people, because I have made friends among H1B workers, too, but fuck that system. American employees have precisely as much loyalty to companies nowadays as the companies have to them. In other words, because companies in general will fire you because the boss got a bad ham sammich for lunch, it makes sense that you should be on the lookout for better opportunities to make more money, work better hours or engage in interesting work. With H1Bs, companies have a more captive work force. They can pay less, and work their workers like dogs, because there is a ceaseless stream of new code-monkeys coming from overseas. Fuck the H1B program.

[@huunguyen5280]

Abolish H1 B to force tech companies to hire and train US engineers

[@lakshmitejaswisunkara2846]

Hate to say this but jobs will be outsourced. They do that right now blame the corporations

[@GurdevSingh-mu4ue]

Tech billionaires need engineers working for slave wages. There are plenty of competent unemployed american born engineers that are technically better qualified than the H1B engineers. American engineers are not willing to work 80 hours a week for slave wages. Vivek needs to look in the mirror.

[@one1blue]

Elon just calls 80 hours a week going hardcore lol. Even though he spends all day on twitter.

[@jackandblaze5956]

There IS something wrong with H-1B visas. When my son graduated from UT Austin near the top of his class with an EE+CS degree, the best paying jobs he could get for six years was $15-$20 an hour, in California. Then for two years, $35,000 per year before tax, no benefits. That's not enough to raise a family in most US cities unless you come from a rich family that can support you, or live with 3 other families and your wife is ok with living in poverty. Why should companies hire any engineer for more than $20 an hour when they can get an unlimited number of engineers from India at that price? The H-1B program is being abused. What I will say is if you're a natural born citizen, DON'T let your children waste time on engineering or medical degrees - unless you want to support your adult kids forever. Look for degrees that don't complete with the Indian and Chinese educational systems. Like Cenk said, get a degree in finance. That may work until India starts cranking out finance majors, then try something else.

[@defpally2954]

H1B Visas are not a bad thing, but how corporations use them is. Oh, we need to post a job before we import labor? Ok we want a DB2 DBA for a salary of $40k a year. What, we didn't get any applicants for paying half what is market value? Ok, H1B then! And then we have labor that can't quit when we under-pay them and treat them like crap or they get deported. It's not about attracting the best and brightest. It's about cheap, indentured labor. Same reason companies don't let immigration reform happen. If all the farm and construction labor had actual rights, it would cut into their bottom line.

[@ArchThaBoss]

This comment needs to be pinned. Elon musk isn’t trying to do some noble deed for the good of the country.

[@sean4907]

@@ArchThaBossthere’s no way that Cenk doesn’t understand this; it’s pathetic that he’s portraying people wanting to protect American labor from being undercut (and therefore reducing wages and what little WLB we still have) as racist. Didn’t expect Cenk to resort to this level of sophistry.

[@ArchThaBoss]

@ see that’s the trick with this whole situation. Because now anyone who’s against bringing in foreign workers in tech over Americans can be painted as a racist, as the bad guy. And although a lot of them are, there’s still plenty of people who want to put Americans first at a fair wage.

[@phytosnappy3069]

@@defpally2954 give corporates anything, they will abuse and break it! Every time. No consequences for corruption, begets even greater corruption.

[@paulw245]

I don't believe I am hearing this on TYT. I totally disagree with Cenk. H-1B visas are mostly used to bring in workers who want to immigrate and are willing to work starting at a lower wage and/or will put up with bad work conditions to not risk losing their visa. I work in Information Technology which is where many of visa holders work. The skills that pass for specialized skills are often just very basic computer knowledge but in their country they call it an engineering degree. I have watched the wages for very skilled American workers with years of experience decrease because there are so many people being allowed in on these visas and it's cheaper to hire people trained in south Asia where the education and training cost less than in the U.S. As a result of the student loans and debt many Americans carry from University and specialized training they can't afford to work for the wage someone seeking immigration will accept until they get their citizenship. Another negative is that U.S. companies no longer spend money to upskill their employees because it is expensive and so many people would just leave for better paying work once they got valuable skills. If the visa only applied to people who have skills nobody else has, far fewer people would qualify and I could support the visas but that is not what I have seen in my field.

[@BlakeBarbieDoll]

Thank you for sharing this truth

[@gdog2831]

@paulw245 Cenk isn't a "union guy". Mass Immigration is immoral

[@coreybrenner]

@paulw245 My thirty years in the computer field, has shown the above statement to be 100% spot on.

[@julianholman7379]

I cringed at Cenk's boyish pride that Musk 'liked' his tweet

[@bairesmax5965]

@@julianholman7379 they are a bit hard to follow at TyT lately

[@Salman-Bin-Ahmed]

As someone who ditched his H1B status and left USA, I can say H1B is almost slavery of 7-8 years. I just couldn't do it.

[@jfrontier1]

This country has plenty of engineers, why bother to bring in more?

[@barbthegreat586]

I really doubt it, there's a global shortage of them (and many other professions). Do you have any source for your claim?

[@jackandblaze5956]

Because Indian engineers will work for $16 an hour + no benefits. That's why.

[@jackandblaze5956]

​@@barbthegreat586 There is an unlimited number of $16 per hour engineers from India. Out of a population of 1.4 billion and with free higher education - there are more than enough Indians to fill all engineering jobs on the planet

[@Rocko1II]

I completely disagree with H1B visas not because I'm racist but because we do not have a talent shortage. Companies routinely hire H1B's force their American employees to train them and then fire their American employees. We have millions hundreds of thousands of foreign college students to American universities that graduate and are eligible for work visas but a company will pass over them to hire an H1B because they want the indentured servant they don't want someone on a work visa. Why? Because they can pay H1B as little as $65,000 for a job they would have to pay in American or someone on a work visa 150k for. That's why these companies want H-1B's. Because then they are also indentured to the company sponsoring the H-1B they can't leave for higher pay and go work for another company That's the big thing they don't like having to compete for talent. It's not a shortage of talent it's a shorter talent out of price point they want. The only exception is if you have a truly world-class talent I mean you're fighting the Cold war and you need to get Albert Einstein out of Germany to help you develop the atomic bomb. Maybe in that situation H-1B's may be appropriate. However in most cases American universities graduate the best top tier talent in the world bar none it is not available and many of them are foreign-born students who come here and are eligible for work visas but they get passed over and have to go home and then they get to come back on an H1B does that make sense? No except that they want them to be indentured servants not on a free-floating work visa able to be sponsored and go to any company for any level of compensation.

[@josephjenott931]

There is a lot of talk about opportunity in this. For a lot of Americans, they don't feel like there is opportunity for them. Education in this country is far to expensive, housing is too expensive, and if you can get by just barely through higher education with a STEM degree, you might not be able to get a job in the field you studied because it was outsourced to a foreigner. I personally wouldn't mind mediocrity, living simple and being content or even comfortable in the lower class, but you can't do that, and you have a very narrow window to even get a hand on the ladder to begin climbing. We have some of the wealthiest people here in this country, all of them are making billions off of the labor they outsource to non-American citizens. And where does that wealth that they have go? Not into making the country better, not into making sure there are more opportunities, not into solving problems and making life easier for everyone, but into the wealthy's pockets where it sits and stays, so they can add another three figures to their weekly pay. Our resources, housing and jobs are being outsourced, even to people who don't have a visa. Where does that leave the people who were born here? Working a dead end job, living paycheck to paycheck with barely enough to afford groceries. If only the success of the wealthy made life easier for the lower class, this might be amenable, but to me and many other Americans, its a problem, and it has always been a problem. Heck, this argument is the very thing that helped Trump get elected, an America first policy. But where are the Americans who would be the world class engineers? Working a dead end job and living paycheck to paycheck because they can't get through education, so they settle with four walls a roof and what food they can afford.

[@compoundingpaper-ron5794]

American citizens should be hired!! If a company lays off American worker then they should be barred from hiring foreign workers for atleast 5 years.

[@primaryesthethicinstincts4832]

Elon just want cheap high tech labor

[@bathtub_marmot]

He wants everyone to work on a 2-4 year contract basis. Why train someone if they're going to be gone when the project is over? May as well "build the best NBA team" by hiring very specific people at the lowest price from around the world, then fire them in 4 years.

[@tmdiz4579]

@@bathtub_marmot An entire country = sports team. Clown

[@fer19832011]

From the very beginning, when I heard Ramaswamy making racist remarks about other minority groups-despite being one himself as the child of immigrants-I felt he was misguided. Even though he was born and raised here, I always thought it was naive of him to believe that right-wing racists would ever truly accept him as one of their own. To me, his desperation is apparent, and I pity him for not recognizing who he really is and aligning himself with people who ultimately despise him. That’s why I was pleased to see Laura Loomer remind him of how they truly view him. While I don’t support her racism, I’m glad this served as a reality check for him. Hopefully, this experience will make him rethink his perspective and choices.

[@Edward3DFX]

$$$$$ makes you a racist dick

[@MAbdul-k3i]

Only a small fraction of H1B visa holders are more talented than Americans. H1B visa recipients are beholden to their sponsoring firm so will work longer hours without question. This benefits tech billionaires but takes away good paying service jobs from Americans. A large portion of H1B visa sponsors are Indian Multinational firms that have no intention of hiring Americans anyway. I think firms that want to hire using H1B visas should also be required to sponsor American engineering schools and students as well....an H1B tariff.

[@jasonkieler5584]

Cenk talks out of both sides of his mouth

[@tonyscardaci2089]

Cheap labor. Plenty of qualified Americans, some may in fact be Asian, but won’t work for cheap labor

[@David-wq1um]

AMERICANS FIRST NOT INDIANS FIRST!

[@LMLewis]

You are SO WRONG, Cenk. Either you don't know much about US labor history or you just want to cozy up to the oligarchs. From at least the 19th century, capitalists have been bringing in workers from other countries specifically to undercut the wages of workers who were already here. One of the most infamous examples was the importation of workers from China to work on railroads and mines. Employers gave preference to Chinese workers who declined to join unions and accepted lower pay. Workers who were already here could not find employment and launched protests. [See A RUMBLING IN THE MINES, by the Southern Poverty Law Center.] Meanwhile, employers and towns treated Chinese workers with contempt. In Oregon, they lived in a network of underground homes and business because they weren't allowed to appear on city streets at night. A law was passed preventing immigration by Chinese women, to prevent the formation of families. Today, employers use the green card system -to bring in foreign workers for the same purpose--to replace American workers; not for jobs requiring "great minds" but for mundane work at a lower wage, leaving Americans unemployed as Republicans threaten further destroy the safety net. Most importantly, the labor Elon and Vivek want to bring in can be abused at will because any green card worker that dares to object will be immediately sent back home. The green card system enables capitalists to continue treating workers with contempt, but in the process, burdens the US with larger numbers of unemployed and underemployed workers at a time when homeless is skyrocketing. You are on the wrong side of history.

[@amandabosca1714]

You mean HB1 visas, not green cards. Not all people who got HB1 visas were to work for tech. There are people in all areas including the arts.

[@eulipion]

American BIG BUSINESS depends upon cheap foreign labor. ELON's companies depend upon cheap foreign labor. Cheap foreign labor helps them to MAXIMIZE profits and return-on-investment for the all-important STOCKHOLDERS. It's the FREE-MARKET in action. Remember their motto: "Let the MARKET decide!"

[@Blitzoir]

How can you be this naive? H1B visa holders are dependent on their employers to maintain their visas, so if they don't work for wages and conditions that are unacceptable to US workers, they can be fired, lose their visas and face deportation. That's why Vivek and Elon are talking about 70, 80 hour work weeks and forgoing any sort of work-life balance. They want just want to import cheap labor for exploitation. This is analogous to bringing in scab workers to a strike, it only undermines the collective power of working people. The culture stuff is just a vague, cynical appeal to right-wing ideas about "meritocracy".

[@moiseshuerta3984]

America is a capitalist country. The person who works harder and smarter will get the job.

[@TW0man4RMY]

The funny thing is they COULD find Americans willing to work like that; the problem isnt even the higher wages its the lack of kowtowing they would receive from Americans. People like this are so enamored with their own ego that the never learn empathy hence this and hence elon consistently failing to realize hes lost the room and digging himself further into a hole.

[@roofie2x]

Cenk you said these h1b people are coming here because they “love America”, that’s a huge stretch. We don’t want to be a global atm.

[@tylerharris4392]

Thank you, SAY IT LOUDER

[@TheBasher-_-]

Shrivel up and parish if you want too. But that’s not how many Americans feel.

[@chrisolson84]

Yeah there's a lot of anti-American and anti-white hatred going on as well over on X, even one of their employees got in on it saying that he was superior to white people and making comments about white women and how we're all going to be replaced. But of course these guys didn't show you any of that stuff, only the stuff they wanted you to see... just like MSM.

[@davischase123]

Republicans talk nonstop about America first but now they are saying immigrants first only for tech, the highest paying job. What happened to America first for all jobs

[@rosalindpacana1330]

Legal immigrants not illegals from the open borders of BIDEN and Kamala 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bathtub_marmot]

What happened to "Women in Tech" and "POC in Tech" and "LGBTQ+ in Tech"? Why ain't it ever "Women in City Sanitation"? It was never America first for all jobs. This is the pendulum swinging the other way (and why "racist/misogynists" like me said DEI was bad policy from a long-term standpoint). Now comes the part where those high paying jobs (remember, "Your coal job is obsolete, learn to code!"?) don't go to the people we think they should, and we all get paid less.

[@ElektroKinetik]

There are no more highly skilled workers overseas they’re all allocated. It’s time to invest in American workers

[@tehevilengineer7939]

It's called poaching

[@evandariel]

Is it racist to demand H1B recipients get fair market wages and not be treated like slaves, which would also not be undercutting american workers?

[@deucesofgrowth6925]

Yall don’t want that at all, yall just don’t want no immigration at all. Meanwhile Trump himself is a child of immigrant.

[@MandkhaiTsetsen]

I am ok with having H1B Visa program. However, to claim that Americans are too stupid to become engineers and that we don't enough domestic skilled workers to fill the market needs is pile of shit. U.S. produce enough engineers, and many of us have been looking for jobs in tech for well over a year or two with two STEM degrees.

[@duanerichard]

I think the Idea is the more the better if we are talking about highskilled workers

[@coreybrenner]

How about cultivating and paying OUR OWN engineers, and developing OUR OWN talents?

[@shangothunder1055]

That’s not economically as viable for them . Why would you expect that from big tech and oligarchs?😂

[@ElektroKinetik]

I was almost laid off of specialized tech field, while at same time HP was hiring 10 people with my exact skill set in Eastern Europe.. it’s undercutting American IT wages… They are lying about a shortage of skilled workers

[@coreybrenner]

@ElektroKinetik I've been out of work over a year, and just recently landed a dream gig starting in January. However, I have to go the 1099 route, so I get to bash my head into the tax system, health insurance and all that good stuff, instead of just getting down to work. Being partially paralyzed and needing to stay closer to home, off grid in the mountains in Montana, also made my job search tougher. The IT job market has definitely gone to sh*t in the last few years, and H1B seems like the first thing to cut, in order to get jobs opened up for citizens. You know, those people whose interests the politicians are SUPPOSED to be looking out for?

[@ElektroKinetik]

@@coreybrenner Hope things work out for you. We must remember that neither the politicians nor the rich care about American workers.. we must hold them accountable and insist they do the right thing. What they don’t realize is that eventually when they’ve hollowed out the high paying jobs in America there will be nobody left with disposable income to support their lavish lifestyles

[@jayyaj7197]

This is so wrong Vivek and Elon - American jobs for American kids fro American education facilities! Why not reduce education cost so every American kid has an opportunity?!

[@raaspider]

I see problem in both sides, for example it's not fair that Americans go to graduate school and get heavy in debt then when they graduate a company prefers to hire the cheaper H1-B guy since they pay them 35% less

[@dorado0359]

Where I worked as a Government contractor, 90% of the engineers and scientists come India... it's pathetic.

[@poseurlol]

who says the prom queen can't also be a math olympiad champ, and a jock can't be the valedictorian???

[@bestvideos35]

Logic which you don't have.

[@poseurlol]

​@@bestvideos35 many such cases!!

[@aaronvenema]

The prom king from my high school was a D1 state record holder in swimming, All-State in football, national Science Olympiad champ, and went to MIT.

[@fortlauderdalegirl]

All Trump has to do is JUST SAY IT OUT LOUD to his base, that “Everything Is Better Now” and they will believe it, without question.

[@CC-vw1cs]

"exploitation" absolutely spot on... top foreign talent working for peanuts = more profits for musk & DT.

[@SomeUserNameBlahBlah]

There are plenty of good American engineers. Companies love H1B visas because they can hire people for half the price who can be forced to work insane hours.

[@barbthegreat586]

Don't you have minimum wage?

[@apooru241]

That's capitalism .. if you were running a business would you not do the same?

[@jackandblaze5956]

There is an unlimited number of engineers from India who are more than happy to work for $16 an hour and they are from wealthy families who can support them for a few years until they can get jobs as CEOs eventually.

[@jackandblaze5956]

​@@barbthegreat586 Yes. It's $7.25 per hour.

[@barbthegreat586]

@jackandblaze5956 Not many people, especially not from wealthy families are ready to come to work as engineers in the US. They have far too nice life in India, plenty of jobs, guaranteed housing, childcare, maids/ cooks, cheap food etc. You're talking out of your a$$.

[@tracifarris7412]

How about we try fixing the education system so we have more techs in the U.S.?

[@mattwhitely1067]

I know someone on a skilled visa and he gets paid less because he cant change to another job easily.. Obviously it supresses wages

[@delbertstephens203]

I know you are discussing migrants, but correction sir. Mexican migrants did not build this country. It was enslaved black people who built it on free labor.

[@taipan1234]

Black Slaves built the United States. The media loves claiming immigrants did it just to make them feel happy. And to hide the fact of slavery happening in the United States of America

[@dianegreen1937]

EXACTLY! Why they act like WE don't know our history🤷🏾‍♀️

[@jackandblaze5956]

Today, just try to find a black carpenter, brick layer, roofer, etc. Nope! Same with whites. The past is gone. Mexicans built everything you see that's less than 60 years old which is 90% of everything.

[@RamJetJockey]

When they say "golden era" it makes me think they want a return to the Guilded Age when oligarchs ran America.

[@escapingthmatrix]

If we're looking outside the house all the time what about those inside who work just as hard but aren't given the opportunity due to outside workers?

[@amorizz5579]

Workers aren't coming to America because they love America. They're coming here because they can make more money than they make in their home country. Skilled Americans demand higher pay and better working conditions. Skilled immigrants are more likely to accept less pay and harsher working conditions. That's really what it boils down to.

[@sebastienledoux7566]

Amen. For Indian workers America is just an economic zone.

[@kuilam9530]

You would never understand losing a job.

[@edwin0404]

What happened to America first? 🤔🤔🤔

[@warpath7985]

I know the average american doesn't interact with Indian people much, but lets be clear, Vivek and the other guy aren't saying they want a expansion of your H1B1 visas so more foreign workers to come to the US, they want it expanded so more INDIAN workers can come in. Indians are VERY tribalistic, which can be a good and a bad thing. Here in Canada, when many of them get in roles of leadership, they slowly get rid of anyone not Indian and only hire their own (and i'm not just saying this, not only was I and many of my friends victims of this, it's a widely known issue here). Also, as for the comment about them.....defecating....in questionable places, um...., yeah, that's actually a thing. Yes, she said it to be racist, but it's not entirely false. Before people start saying "racist" or whatever, this is what other Indians have said here, and no, it's NOT the vast majority of the that do this. Just look it up yourselves if you don't believe, because a small percentage of them do that here as well.

[@t3morga]

Americans voted for this.....😅 ..I have my popcorn 🍿😁

[@Brendonforgoop]

Keep in mind that corporations will always hire cheaper labor if they can

[@hudsle]

Pretty sure calling them "contemptible fools" didnt help Elon's case

[@Jay-z2x]

How about fixing our k-12 system, funding free college, funding trade schools, funding career retraining to jobs lost to outsourcing and robots taking jobs. Fund Americans now. Americans are mostly growing up unqualified to apply and attend the universities here which are the best in the world. Invest in Americans

[@dylanamos1047]

As someone of Nigerian parents, I understand what viveks words are interpreted as. He's lying. African and Asian parent push their kids to achieve for 2 reasons. 1, They want their kids to be able to take care of them when they are old. 2, BRAGGING RIGHTS. These are highly segmented cultures, especially asian. Parents love to get one over on their other family members. This is why they push their kids into professions that are respected in society and pay well. Damn the fact that they may be condemning their kids to a life of misery. Look, science is necessary for modern life, but the last time i checked, it's still western society that is the creative engine of humanity. And i believe it is the mix of arts and sciences that drives it.

[@vangoghsotherear4114]

and if you look at latin families who have been here more generations they act just like every other american. They refuse to work for cheap and get replaced by fresher migrants. African and indian migrants will end up the same because their standard of living will no longer be based on the country their parents or grandparents left.

[@bathtub_marmot]

I think you're lying, and that other countries don't push their children any more or less hard than we do, or like or don't like to brag about their kids achievements any more or less. I think that's just a general trait. We can probably find some Nigerian parents who also sit around and watch tv. China has 1.4 billion people. Same for India. There's no international-exceptionalism, I call BS.

[@jasonbolella5485]

Look at Cenk getting all giddy about the prospect of Elon tweeting him. Isn’t that cute?

[@ram76921]

This is arguably one of the worst videos TYT has put out in a long time. If they actually did their research vivek and elon want the H1B's because they can pay them 2/5 the average costs of what it takes to pay an American doing the same job. It's a very anti-Labor stance to take, what makes it more insulting is that musk and Vivek tried making fun of americans like myself saying we can't do the job. BS... the jeets code is buggy, bad, and complete ass, see it on the front lines all the time and the front line workers are told to deal with it while they rake in their massive corporate monopolizing profits. The database they hacked to show the pay for a Senior Software developer on an H1B was 46k.... This is a very bad video.

[@eternallyviv]

I will complete with you on iq, and several other skills. One on one video on KZbin. I am not white. I challenge you.

[@Joey-ct8bm]

You don't understand how the world's expat community works at TYT. I'm a Dutch engineer, i can work anywhere in the world. I'm not going to the US if i can work anywhere. I will go to a country where i get tax breaks. I get a 50% tax break in Luxembourg for instance and wages are higher than in the US already. Free healthcare, 26 days paid vacation days and free public transportation too in Luxembourg. I can go to Dubai and pay 0% tax. There need to be benefits.

[@OvercomeCast]

if culture and way of life, climate, countryside does not matter to you. Off to Dubai where you cannot even use your balcony because of the heat. Quality of life is more than your bank account. In the U.S. , if you are a great engineer your employer will get you great health care benefits.

[@colihon3552]

@@Joey-ct8bm he's literally a immagrant smh

[@Joey-ct8bm]

@@OvercomeCast That can be, but in Luxembourg the GDP per capita is 40k higher and i would get at least 26 paid vacation days too. Plus all the other worker rights. I would be a hour from France, Germany, Belgium and Switzerland. It's a no brainer. These kind of tax breaks are all over the world, so if they want to pull in expats there needs to be tax breaks and very good other benefits. Healthcare is almost free anywhere in the world. It has to be 0% tax.

[@CC-vw1cs]

@@Joey-ct8bm they are not considering Dutch but Indian, for the pure reason of financial gain. I've worked in Kuwait, there is a hierarchy based on nationality, as in Dubai.

[@Joey-ct8bm]

@@CC-vw1cs Dude, Dubai is full of Dutch people and we build the Palm Island in Dubai. They love us, because we give corporations tax breaks and buy their oil here. They even love Max Verstappen. Huge F1 fans all those sheikhs in the Middle East. The US also love us, because of tax breaks and we've ASML chip technology. The US tech industry is fully dependent on ASML. The US only has the most advanced tech, because we don't sell ASML technology to China. We could kill the US tech industry.

[@RobertBrian-h6c]

Problem is the visa are abused to bring in cheap labour and undercut wages , I know guy in UK who got indian PHD in IT etc to work for £12,000 a year and did all IT work and created whole new IT system for him and other business assocciate

[@ralph.aguinaldomd]

I guess Elon's version of America First does not involve Americans. 😂

[@Fringes007]

AMERICAN TECH JOBS ARE FOR AMERICANS Not for cheap foreign labor (of any color)

[@Mirstrip]

Immigrants work way harder and for less so i welcome immigrants in skilled industries

[@jd2484]

@@MirstripAs an actual American, I support my fellow Americans working these jobs for better pay over cheap labor from India.

[@Mirstrip]

@@jd2484 tell the other actual Americans to increase their work ethic and marketability

[@jd2484]

@@Mirstrip Americans should not have to compete with Indians and Mexicans for American jobs. If you’re so proud of your work ethic, get a good job in India. And don’t tell me what to do.

[@Runconna]

American workers shouldn't have to compete against the world for American jobs.

[@BlakeBarbieDoll]

💯

[@nostro1940]

Unlimited indian immigration. If only we could predict how that would look like *Looks at Canada 👀 Ohhhhhhh nooo

[@stevensica5918]

UNLIMITED INDIAN IMMIGRATION ONLY for hot-looking Bollywood actresses.

[@wallpaper5300]

How many times did Cenk say he liked Vivick and Elon😂😂😂😂

[@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord]

So one disagreement means we can't like each other?

[@edfhobbies556]

WSJ - US IT unemployment is at 6% !!! **THERE IS NO US IT WORKER SHORTAGE!!!**

[@atticusandwinifred3274]

It’s not about bringing the best and brightest to the USA, Elon just wants cheaper engineers that he can treat like serfs. The whole H-1B Visa system needs to be reworked, to make sure that foreign workers are not being taken advantage of and to make sure that they are actually needed and not just taking the place of American workers.

[@hmmmm6685]

Propose alternative

[@amorizz5579]

Pay Americans, that work in the tech industry, more money. Invest in the American education system so that, poor Americans, have an opportunity to get into the tech industry....In this argument, two statements are true. Yes, there's probably limited skilled Americans in the tech industry. Also, yes, folks like Elon support the visa program because it allows him to overwork his employees and pay them less.

[@armchairprotester1]

I also know that nearly ALL of our banking institutions outsourced their tech jobs to India. It didn't stop at call centers and IMHO, outsourcing YOUR financial information to a foreign country should not be a standard practice.

[@BlakeBarbieDoll]

Mexican immigrants built this country, Cenk? How??

[@ApatLang]

Leftists just be saying stuff 😂

[@ApatLang]

Pulling shit out their ass

[@prodigyredstarboom1823]

You can begin with the land dummy? If there is no land to build on what the heck will you be able to build? Los Angeles does that sound like an anglo name? Florida,Colorado, Oregon, Tejas, California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, Utha, Nevada? Ring a bell dummy? Even after the Mexican American war there where still Mexicans here in the U.S. and the work on the western Cities and culture. Los Angeles and all the cool states would not be what they are with the Mexican and Hispanic influences. PICK UP A BOOK FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!

[@olympia5758]

@@prodigyredstarboom1823 Florida was a former Spanish colony, it was never Mexican. And those other states that you mentioned were very underdeveloped and had a very small Mexican population. In fact the population was so small that the Mexican government invited American and European immigrants to develop these lands. It was Anglo-American settlers who built up California, Nevada, Oregon, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, Colorado, Utah and Wyoming. Not Mexicans. Mexicans only moved to these states in large droves AFTER the Americans had developed them. I suggest that YOU pick up a book. Mexico wasn't doing anything with its Northern Territory, that's why the US took it.

[@1jaedan]

Flooding the market with people willing to work for much less than a countries native population is such a wonderful idea...as someone who lives in Surrey (Canada) I can attest lol. In 2021 I applied for a job at my local Chipotle and during the interview I was almost immediately told that ~300 other people had interviews scheduled and that my chances of getting in were very low, interviewer spoke barely comprehensable English and it seemed like there was no hope for getting such an entry level job despite my 3.5 years of restaurant experience at the age of 19. I've also had 2 different punjabi uber drivers tell me about friends/family working for cash for well under min. wage at fast food places after I politely asked them about the subject; so why would they hire people like me for $16-18 /hr when you can hire someone who will do it for half that? Also, glad to see that not everybody on the right is in the trump-musk cult, self-reflection is lacking severely in politics.

[@Samuel-hd3cp]

Jaeden. It works for the business owners, so nothing else matters.

[@1jaedan]

@@Samuel-hd3cp Yup its glaringly obvious for anybody not apart of the either the red or blue cult The massive increase in the cost of property in BC sure had done great for their portifolios too

[@sasca854]

The tech billionaires want indentured servants. That's the only reason they want to expand H1B issuance. Period, the end.

[@telegrphavenuetv]

Then maybe give h1b visa holders the freedom to change jobs easily and not have them lose status after a short time. This will fix the wage issue

[@i.k.8868]

Wow Cenk is so dumb.

[@CerciRodriguez]

I can't stand when you guys say the greatest and brightest across the world, when in reality the focus is just in one specific region of the world: India. I'm sure there are some talented individuals in India, but India does not equal the world. If we're searching for the greatest and brightest individuals around the world, then make every country count. Btw ask the Canadians if India produces the greatest and brightest individuals, you'll be surprised on their answer.

[@Successnhapiness]

Long time ago, I was a fan of Elon, I even bought a Tesla but after he started going mad I sold my car my Tesla stocks and delete my twitter account before he even was helping Donald get elected for his own gain, because he does not have enough money. In my opinion things are going to get worse before they get better this 2025!

[@Peterclevenger-sx1kh]

What strikes me about these two, is they have no clue what it means to be a real American. The things they're attacking are American traditions, that foreigners don't understand.

[@Horus-III]

Yup, H-1B’s aren’t going to be the next elon. This isn’t a racial issue at all, H-1B’s really only bring downside to our nation. In reality there is no shortage of specialized workers in America, these H-1B’s get trained from corrupt institutions and thus perform worse than Americans with the same credentials from American institutions, they pump money out of America and pipe it to the third world where it doesn’t belong, it lowers American birthrates due to stealing employment from Americans, etc, etc, it is literally all downside to America. These people need to be safe in their homes, and we need to invest in America.

[@Horus-III]

It doesn't matter if this guy with the beads had a nice time growing up in our nation. We have too many Americans that are already able to do these jobs for a fair wage. We don't have a choice we have to shut down H-1B's and create extreme criminal punishments for the C-level employees of the companies that are abusing O-1 visas after we totally shut down the H-1B's.

[@ApatLang]

Bro the white guy add absolutely nothing, he’s just there to rage. I was expecting actual analysis but he’s just there screeching about republicans for 20 mins who tf wants to watch that. I can just go turn on msnbc if I did

[@TheBooban]

Thats what they want. Its their comfort zone to reinforce their thoughts.

[@Mirstrip]

Him and yasmin are really bad

[@dustinjohnson7191]

Guys don't you think Laura loomer is just a drama queen looking for attention?

[@alwillmu]

I work in IT and my company tried outsourcing low level job duties overseas… didn’t last long

[@timothymercer849]

Don't know why the outrage is happening now, America outsourced most jobs years ago. Anytime you call customer service, some Indian guy answers...now they are being blatant about it. There is no shortage, and if folks hate Americans so much, why are they clamoring to come here? I support people wanting a better life, but don't put down Americans to get ahead...not cool.

[@sam4soph1]

I loathe Loomer but she actually made some good points.

[@stevensica5918]

A pity she is an Israel First Neo Con Warmonger Islamophobe. Hard to get beyond that giant flaw.

[@ntewolde]

I am an American immigrant. I know too many Americans in IT currently having a hard time finding work. Are we saying we can’t get them jobs before introducing more H1B visas to take more jobs? I’m not against an immigrant coming here to work. I think we need to focus on the middle class first. We are struggling and no one seems to understand. I’m glad I took the opportunity to see how things unfolded before taking a side. I was looking for a silver lining when Trump was elected. Thank God I didn’t hold my breath or put any money on it. I am in full agreement with Ramesh Srinivasan’s analysis.

[@1BackUpPlan1]

I knew you were for American workers, Cenk...Oh wait

[@SHARON.I]

He's for HIMSELF!!

[@AiMix-vh2db]

John has no idea about the low standards and corruption in the Indian education system. He should do some research without help from Ramesh.

[@wajidhussain5305]

Power isn’t about right v left but top v bottom, but the ones in power want it to be about right v left.

[@msliberated3899]

Exactly

[@JakeTheBeastDelta]

I think that having some H1B immigration is good, but I don't think that it should be hundreds of thousands or unlimited amounts a year like Elon and Vivek want. I also think that if America's culture is broken making Americans unfavorable for tech, STEM, and other specialized jobs then there should be a focus on improving education and training in America so that native born Americans can do better in those jobs. It should probably be a mix of what both sides are arguing for with there being some immigration and better education/training for Americans so that the industry can do good utilizing both for the advancement of America.

[@rockycata6078]

Hey, what's the matter browser? Now you can explain why America can't be great and never was great without immigrants. In fact, Trump's pick for WH advisor on AI is a foreign born Indian. Not to cast aspersions on the incoming POTUS and the VP, but both their spouses are foreign-born immigrants.

[@poormansmichaelbay]

Something to factor about VIvek, he narrated a story about how he was picked on by "big black guys" in high school for being a nerd and was pushed down a stairs. The guy has a chip on his shoulder.

[@NPC-fl3gq]

You mean he was bullied!? Sounds like victim blaming.

[@jamzy9]

how can you raise the salaries of engineers if they can just hire 10 indians and pay them half

[@001citron]

Steve Bannon never had the makings of a varsity athlete

[@PapaMojo75]

Cenk said Elon liked his tweet so many times I seriously think he's in love.

[@harka0007]

Stop this visa ASAP

[@thewalker338]

Indians are not responsible for your sister operating in onlyfans and brazzers.

[@DawnToDawn]

I worked several years with those H1-B visa coders, most of them talented on papers. Most attractive part about them is they're cheaper, obedient.

[@petera5560]

Obedient is the word, until they no longer have to be.

[@Joe-n4q]

Since these H-1B engineers are sooo amazing, thrn lets mandate that all engineers get paid DOUBLE what the median American engineer makes, because they deserve that compensation, because they are soooo amazing engineers.

[@Alexandria.Washington]

Elon laid of 10% (>40,000 employees) of Tesla workforce recently.

[@RenzoTx]

The real problem here is our Republican politicians, who refuse to support free education for Americans. They rather import foreign labor instead of providing Americans the resources needed to gain the skills required to fill STEM jobs. Importing cheap labor to fill tech jobs is not a sustainable solution. It will backfire in the long run.

[@michaelfitzgerald5207]

100% FACT! THESE BILLIONAIRES WANT CHEAP LABOR AND THEY WANT EDUCATED LABOR....BUT THEY DONT WANT TO PAY THE TAXES REQUIRED TO FUND OUR SCHOOLS SO THAT AMERICAN KIDS HAVE THE SKILLS WITHOUT NEEDING TO SPEND $150K ON HIGHER EDUCATION....ITS REAL SIMPLE....TAXES OR THE LACK THEREOF (FOR A CERTAIN "CLASS") ARE THE PROBLEM

[@rileygurrucharran1865]

Musk and Vivek does not think that development has a Human face. And that is why we have a racist economy.

[@elizandropedraza1286]

Yeah 👍 what happened to America and Americans first.😅

[@christinahamlin2381]

Isn't Elon African American 😂

[@bellaggio1770]

South African American.

[@mcinarci]

He is a Boer😊

[@rrvootla]

Lot of people don’t know American history. Period.

[@growden100]

Why can’t this county provide free education like many countries so our people can rise?

[@chiranthanmr]

Not many countries have free education. But yes, USA education is expensive

[@QuicoKoala]

The inability of the U.S. to provide free education is a multifaceted issue tied to political ideologies, budget priorities, economic disparities, and cultural beliefs. Other countries like Finland or Germany have managed to make education accessible to all through more comprehensive tax-based systems and strong government investment. However, the U.S. would need significant political, economic, and cultural shifts to adopt such a model, which seems unlikely in the short term due to the entrenched systems in place.

[@maggiecraigie8114]

Gosh never thought I’d ever agree with Bannon. But he’s spot on about fElon.

[@onlimi616]

Cenk: "I agree with Elon and Vivek." Seriously? You're going to snuggle up to Elon and Vivek on the worst and most degrading comments they've made since Trump got elected? Sorry TYT, but your whole take on this is pathetic! Cenk obviously knows NOTHING about the tech industry and what has occurred over the past few decades. The only thing he can relate to is, "what about basketball players overseas who are good?" Good Lord, do some journalism for once in your life!

[@BeanJuice1K]

Yeah, they sold all the way out unsubbed once i realised holding out hope was my demonstration of delusion ...

[@terrisalmon3578]

The cenk is a populist.

[@rosalindpacana1330]

Open to debate - unlike the legacy media 🤣🤣🤣🤣