Thin or Thick Rubber?

[@adamszabo2139]

My club had only poor quality rackets with worn out thin rubbers, when I started to play table tennis. I found your advices about rubber thickness at the same time, when I started to play table tennis (2019 September). Choosing the thickest rubber for myself immediately felt right and rewarding for my development. I don't want to use thin rubbers at any time.

[@azlanothmanPDA]

Learn to drive a small Honda, before you drive a Ferarri. Otherwise, you will crash and burn. Thinner sponge (1.9/2.0) allows more control. It also allows new players to hit and brush the ball properly. Thicker sponge, new players will not learn proper stroke since the get a lot of help from the sponge. Remember, Hurricane max rubber does not hv the same spring effect as Tenergy05... So, its ok to use max Hurricane. That is why, European coaches prefer new players using thinner sponge (1.9mm)... bcoz they are not using Hurricane. Max T05 is totally different than max hurricane

[@pingsunday]

Exactly. It also depends on the blade

[@jl6842]

I can say from experience that this is right. My first custom racket had 1.5 mm donier versus. The rubber was slower than the premade 12 euro racket. After 2 months I upgraded to mark V and for a week I couldn't play properly. The old rubber let me make bad shots. Get a quality rubber, It'll help you improve your shots.

[@sten2246]

Using too thick a sponge for pure beginners is a big no no. You must learn control first before progressing to more advanced techniques. There are some great training bats available for quite a low price which are usually sold in packs of 10 etc. These bats have a soft timber blade which is great for control and also have an intermediate sponge thickness which is also perfect for control. Yes do not and I repeat do not start them on too thin a sponge, but definitely do not get them playing with thick sponge. 1.8 mm is absolutely perfect, remember we are talking beginners here. Been coaching beginners for 46 years now (wow 46 years )where has the time gone. Don't worry if you train hard you will soon progress to a more higher level blade and rubber setup but if you want some great advice ,DON'T RUSH IT!

[@DavidGottschalk]

For beginners i suggest to start with 2 unboosted chinese cheap rubbers in max thickness. With directly alc blade the most advanced. Normal fast wood the most youngers After one year i start to boost the rubbers or to introduce alc or zlc blade. And after 2 years if they achieve a good level and control i change the backhand rubber for a tensor or springsponge one as tngy 80 Mxp or Lp, In this order of progression they dont notice a big change of equipment and allways they use a controlled and nice feeling setup according with the level they are.

[@tabletennisforfans7868]

Max of course

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

2.1 for dignics 0.5 I agree with your video. The spin is my weapon and it is very important to have a thick rubber.

[@dfy]

Have you tried 09c? Thoughts?

[@sega-re-trop-vieux]

@@dfy nope, but I heard that the bounce is better. I am happy with the 05 so I won’t change

[@gamingbtc]

1.5m here, but I'm a defensive player and play badminton as my main sport -- I need thin rubber to control my power. I'm a decent player but not advanced, rated around 1600 in USA rating system. Played casually about 4 years. Your video is making me think of trying a thick rubber just to see, but I really enjoy a very light rubber/blade so I can swing hard (like badminton).

[@krokinymous]

Hey, thank you for your vid. I found it very informative. I just start training table tennis as beginner and receive info just like you said. I use Yinwei N10S allwood, Yinwei Mercury 2 Medium 2,2mm sponge for FH and Yinwei Mercury 2 Soft 2,2mm sponge for BH. I found that its ideal setup for beginner like me and also cheap. I can focus on my technique rather than the expensive equipment.

[@tomtimor9789]

So many advises on the internet about rubbers and blades. Often contradicting. Nothing about how to develop muscles needed for strokes and footwork. Strength of the muscles is the best tool to control the game, piece of equipment is only a extension of that. If one does not control own muscles, how one will control anything else ? Coach, some advise how to prepare the player's body for the game maybe ?

[@sareythun69]

You can explain for 36, 37, 38 40 degree of rubber?

[@ya4dang1]

Choose a thinner sponge if your playing style emphasises precision (blocking, countering) more than spin and speed. Otherwise, thicker is always the better choice.

[@ZurafaninDuskunu]

Some producers (such as GEWO) is decreasing their top sheet thickness on their Max versions in order to comply with 4mm overall thickness, and I think that effects the performance of the rubber. What do you think about that?

[@pingsunday]

Yes, you are right. In my opinion, we can't reduce the topsheet thickness smaller than 1.4mm, otherwise the rubber is not consistent.

[@mahdavimail]

Hi what’s the hardness of yellow blue and red Chinese sponge? Tnx

[@davidperezmarin8865]

Fantástico video, gran explicación y demostración. Y muy, muy divertido!

[@yen.1272]

Hello Coach EmRatThich~ I wonder what rubber are they that was being displayed at 1:11 & at 8:14 in this video?

[@pitthefrit6292]

Many "experienced" amateur club players from Germany tend to tell you exactly the opposite, because they were told to use thinner rubber, soft sponge, and never really tried anything else. Pretty conservative.

[@marcop174]

I enjoy your great tips! In another video you also asked players to use a hard sponge instead of a soft one! I would like to know more about the difference between hardness and thickness of a sponge. Maybe you can explain it in another video? 🤔🤗😉

[@pingsunday]

Yes. Wonderful questions

[@peper42]

Maybe you can explain vocabulary of table tennis equipment in an article on blog or video. Blade elasticity, handle, thickness, rebound, timing, hard, soft, balance, rubber, sponge, ... Thanks you

[@sykadyka]

Hello! Today, i met the king! Jan ove waldner. I spoke to him about this and he prefered 1.5 to 2.0 even for top plsyers at s professionall level!

[@paulbismuth10]

So it's better to pair thick rubbers to slower blades ( all wood ) in the beginning ? If not the ball will fly out the table.

[@pingsunday]

Yes. Thick and fast rubber on a slow bade is much better than thin rubber on a fast blade. Upgrade the blade to 5+2 alc when you improve your level

[@austinkristian2945]

What is mean of soft/medium/hard rubber? It is the thickness or what?

[@thomasleifseth5201]

This is something i asked many people in my club about. But they never could give Cetrain a answer what thickness should use. Now i know 😀👍

[@SbObEmO]

I play with Stiga DNA Platinum 2.1 fh and Firestorm Green Edition short pimples 2.1 bh. ZJike ZLC.

[@idrivearttabletennis]

I feel that I have always played better with thicker rubber. I usually use a good all-around wood blade with thick rubber (usually tacky - but with high control).

[@pingsunday]

Great tip!

[@main___name___main___name]

Depending on sponge thickness for improvement is not good for the sport. Why not play with sponges of 4, 5 and 6mm thicknesses? Rules can be changed with suitable money payment to ITTF officials. This may very well happen since money can be made when people are swayed by a hot new mega thick sponge rubber.

[@midgot]

Does this thoughts applies to short and medium pips? I'm a penholder and I changed from a 1.8mm 802-40 to 1.5mm and I felt this improved my accuracy and the deception of the ball on my power shots. But my play style is more focused on being next to the table blocking and smashing the ball when it's possible, usually I don't loop the ball

[@XYoukaiX]

This sounds interesting ... even though I can't fully agree .... I alway play rubbers below 2mm thickness but most people have trouble with my racket as the ball doesn't got down as you describe but actually goes up a lot because I use super soft rubber all the time ... I do have that weird effect of the ball just going straight down when using hard rubber which seems to become the norm nowadays .... I remember like 5 years back a Rubber with 48° was already super hard and people said this hard stuff is all just china crap while now new rubbers are going up to 53° and thick 2,3mm or even more? I guess it might Probably be a combination of both but even with a 1,5mm rubber if you don't hit super hard it will never go all the way to the wood especially if its a hard rubber oO

[@jigarpatel1101]

Thanks for sharing. Your research is very deep and insightful 👍🏼

[@pingsunday]

So nice of you

[@kioka2]

Nice vídeo! One question..why top players when testing a racket, drive the ball to the net with max power many times?

[@pingsunday]

They want to hear the sound of the rackets when hitting hard

[@Uncle-Basil]

Great video...thanks for sharing!

[@Chris-yv4xg]

I would like your opinion: XIOM VegaX or XIOM Vega Europe DF in 2.3mm on the forehand?

[@Tekay37]

I'm a bit confused here. In a different video about the chinese superiority in table tennis, you explained that one should select a thinner but hard rubber, but now you explain to go for the thick rubber. Not both advices can be true at the same time.

[@vincentg9570]

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y ! Sorry PingSunday but your speech loses credibility…

[@Hannes223311]

Nice Advice, however whats with the case when the new player already has a pretty slow blade and is still not having enough control?

[@pingsunday]

Then this player should learn how to spin. Spin is the way you control the little ball

[@Hannes223311]

@@pingsunday Obviously that would be best idea. However the guys I am thinking about either someone who really recently started (think like arround 2 weeks ) playing or who has two feet for hands. Should you really rely on hoping that they learn to spin fast to be able to play max rubbers or should you assist them with a thinner rubber for something like 6 Months to develop the basic techniques including Spin and then change them to the thicker one?

[@user-wn8rn8fk2b]

the thickness of my rubber bands is 2.1 mm, is it good or bad?

[@kakaok7432]

Awesome !! The best rubber hard or soft coach 🙏

[@garbol84]

But what thickness for long pimple rubber for defensive players? 🙏😏 Of as inverted fh im using max thickness 😊

[@gab5012]

Hey coach, have you tried Hurricane 8? If so what are your thoughts of hurricane 8 as a FH rubber compared to H3 neo?

[@virajdadyal5369]

I use timo boll alc with 05fx fh and 64fx bh (both 2.1mm)

[@yeagerist977]

Show off

[@kartikrallapalli3425]

I use exactly same setup

[@virajdadyal5369]

@@yeagerist977 I'm not showing off lol I just got it for my birthday

[@virajdadyal5369]

@@kartikrallapalli3425 nice man I really love it but 64fx isn't aggressive enough for me it's better for Block play

[@janengels9340]

What about defenders with thinner FH-Rubber like JSH? I think he used Tenergy with 1.9mm on FH.

[@Barman4200]

This is assuming attacking / looping playstyles. For defenders & other kinds of pips / antispin players, they may prefer thinner sponges. Thinner sponge thicknesses give better control on shots with lower overall power (pushing, blocking, chopping, etc.). On the other hand, thicker sponges will generate more spin on the same stroke (e.g. looping & counterlooping), which will make those shots safer as the extra topspin will curve the ball back towards the table. Since most players are two-winged loopers, thicker sponges are usually recommended

[@Zidane13893]

@@Barman4200 lol he put photo of Georgina Pota racket and she used to 2.0/1.9 rubbers on super fast blade...

[@HKUSAPDX]

@@Barman4200 Well Stated!

[@asaftaa2132]

Boosting is not illegal ?

[@tellmestraight]

Only illegal for tournaments. But strangely it is okay for the rubber manufacturers to boost the rubber before you buy it. But once the boost effect begins to wear out on your expensive European and Japanese rubbers you cannot reboost yourself. This is crazy. I guess they just want you to buy new rubbers if you want the rubber to perform its best.

[@ramgilaka6146]

Hi Sir.. I have started training to my son, now 9 years old, it has been a year he started practicing, Currently hes playing with Yasaka rubber both the sides, with Stiga all rounder blabe (WRB). I'm a huge fan of H3Neo rubbers which I personally use, Can I start using H3Neo for my son's forehad as well with the same blabe ( Stiga). Please suggest.

[@Robylazarus]

Several years ago when I used to play Table Tennis, we used 2.5 mm ITTF rubbers, they were Sriver and Super Sriver combo, I am not able to locate any 2.5 mm rubbers, are they still in production?

[@williamleon8406]

Que buen video, me hizo reír mucho la demostración, sus consejos son muy buenos para personas principiantes como yo, saludos desde Colombia 👍, lástima que por acá es muy difícil conseguir esas gomas chinas.

[@kdgr]

Nice advice again 🏓👍

[@eloimumford5247]

What is your opinion of the Rasanter R45 for an intermediate who likes offensive spin , i am a boomer who likes the adrenaline of challenging my opponent. Ping Pong for Life. Merci.

[@BibleExposition2022]

Bad advice to say new players/beginners should use thick rubber. Thick rubber bounce a lot more than thin rubber, new players/beginners need to learn to control the ball first then once the technique is master quite well then may be use thicker rubber. I am 1800 rating or higher and use 1.8mm rubber and I play better than 2.0mm rubber.

[@pingsunday]

Thick but hard and sticky

[@BibleExposition2022]

Tenergy 05 hard? Density 43, spin 13, control 11.5

[@alboforlife18]

Hi Coach, can you do a short Review on the Gewo Zoom Pro OFF- ? its about 85 Grams and im not sure what rubber to use on it, im only a 33 year old hobby player and play outside. what rubber would you recommend for this Blade? i love how Ma Long plays and im not sure if this Blade is good for that play style

[@peterenis5334]

Nice video! Im just curious about the new max rubbers like Rasanter R48 with a thickness of 2.3mm ..

[@iskandartaib]

Back when the ball was 38mm in diameter the thinner rubber made sense for beginners. Even good players back then mostly used 2.0mm sponge. These days it doesn't make sense. Most of the cheaper Chinese rubbers ONLY come in max thickness. And this is what beginners start with.

[@abdrazak8310]

Thin more to smash...thick....more power to spin

[@882828jc]

Right, if you change your blade ,rubber, none of this work. Change your hand with Ma Lone.

[@Abd.mad1]

coach what does mean the numbers are written on the rubber

[@pingsunday]

this is the ID code of the rubber.

[@francodejj]

Funny demo at the end 😂

[@fc3x336]

NEW PLAYERS SHOULD USE SLOWER RUBBERS NOT FASTER ONES AND YET YOU RECOMMEND THICK SPONGES BECAUSE IT IS FAST

[@meh6513]

Blade can be bought to slow the ball down while avoiding bottoming out two birds 1 stone

[@Baklawafood]

I use a 2.2 mm mark v

[@georgebarclay8065]

Great content!

[@Bork0r]

Great explanation

[@ThuanPham-rv9yi]

Hello, I am new to PING PONG and want to ask for your advice one choosing rubber for my racket. i am currently using Yasaka Sweden Extra with Mark V rubber with 1. 0 Thick. with this set up i feel my FH hit the ball alway hitting the net when i hit it hard. if i hit it lighter and open up racket more the ball won't go the net. Do you think i should chance the rubber to Yasaka Mark V HPS. i am more on attacker player than defense player. Thanks

[@sten2246]

Mark v is still one of the best rubbers even today. As you said you are new to ping pong. Your blade is good for your level but that sponge is way too thin hence the ball going in the net often, Step up to 1.8 or 1.9 etc. and the fun will return to your game. Too many new players think they can advance quicker using high level equipment, this is a huge mistake when starting out. Every player I have ever coached I tell them to try and get a hit with other players setup so you can quickly get a better understanding and feel of different blades and rubbers .Remember you need a lot of PATIENCE to become a good player so don't become an equipment junkie. Hope you have as much fun as I did starting out.

[@buttxrontoast-7100]

Im using a built in Butterfly Nakama S2 racket with the nakama S2 blade, and butterfly Sapphira on both sides. Tomorow, im going to change my rubber to Sanwei ultraspin on BH and Yinhe Jupiter on FH since i realized that The king of chinese rubber is actually not the hurricane 3, DHS pays the national team to use it.

[@buttxrontoast-7100]

Pls type your rubbers in the comments below | | V

[@blueheart9873]

What about OX rubbers?

[@jirkakarnik8518]

It really depends, what you prefer. If you like to play closer to the table, you want to have as much control as possible. I recommend some slow blade (DEF) with slow pimples (there are some on the market that are made especially for blocking close to the table). But if you prefer defence from longer distance, then you have 2 options. First one is to combine pips with a little bit faster blade (some ALL blades will by ok). Or you can buy pips with sponge, but not something really thick. Personally I play with TSP Curl P1R OX on BH combined with Stiga Defensive Pro. This is a combination that is perfect for me, cause the blade has carbon layers in it, but still providing enought control while playing close to the table.

[@blueheart9873]

@@jirkakarnik8518 Thanks for the advice. I'm gonna try out some thin sponge rubbers as well as OX to see what suits best

[@jirkakarnik8518]

@@blueheart9873 Sure, not a problem. It’s going to be ‘chemistry’ with that trying out. But there’s one final tip. The thinner sponge is, the less ability to attack properly you have. It’s not impossible to attack, but not easy as well. Keep that on mind, good luck with finding ideal pips!

[@matsolsson8932]

I play whith 2,0mm fh and bh

[@jasper8368]

Hi Coach, just now I played in a school team tournament against the best school in Singapore and I noticed that the Umpire always check their rubber very thoroughly and check it for more than 10 minutes. When they were looping the ball I could hear the "VROOM!" sound. what kind of rubber do you think they are using

[@niklaskras5498]

Probably a relativly soft european one. But the spinny strokes are mostly responsible for loud sounds

[@jochenbuthe75]

Xiom is explaining at their website, that rubbers with a softer sponge (42,5 - 45?) are giving a special sound. The harder the rubber is, the less "clicking" sound. Also the glue can give accustic effects. The producer of Revolution No 3 is talking about that.

[@Secondsto7]

And my Nittaku rubber only goes up to 2.0 :D

[@julesgojancacho1767]

So using a 2.1mm rubber is still good. Btw I'm using Stiga Mantra H for fh and Stiga Mantra M on bh🙂

[@buttxrontoast-7100]

Nice

[@tabletennisSA]

I'm using Stiga Mantra H on bh BUT I think it's a little bit hard for bh right?

[@julesgojancacho1767]

@@tabletennisSA yeah right but I'm comfortable when blocking and doing bh topspin. But needed a softer sponge for bh that's why I bought the Medium version of Mantra 🙂✅

[@john.s1962]

Dude, new players must start with slow, soft and thin rubbers to develop technique, feeling and confidence, then they should upgrade. 1.9 is common in Greece and after some months 2.1 and up. But here we have only Japanese and German rubbers, so yeah. We don't really have a choice

[@gab5012]

2:20 YEESSS TAKYUUUU GENIN!!!

[@phaikia13]

2mm. Best of both worlds.

[@john.s1962]

For the love of god, if you play with tenergy and a maze magic, change the rubbers, not the blade. The rubbers are 50/50 with the blade.

[@guerrerorojas5348]

thank you again!!!!!

[@phildurre9492]

i rather use a slower rubber than a thinner one

[@pingsunday]

yes

[@galaxismtg7722]

Wahre Worte! 2,1mm. 9:22 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ich fühle mit! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 True words! 2.1mm. 9:22 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I feel for you! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@nowthenad3286]

You keep talking about "rubber thickness" when you should be talking about "sponge thickness". Very confusing.

[@guillermomorales6158]

Allways I use max and one layer of baby oíl

[@buttxrontoast-7100]

2:20 Takyuu geninnn

[@josuesolanoredondo4861]

Hard or soft sponge?

[@pingsunday]

In the next video

[@conradfisher2563]

7:32

[@tellmestraight]

Fancy meeting you here!!

[@pranotoherbalosb4367]

Terima kasih Coach 👍

[@leojoshuamaestre6626]

Thank you

[@fredy271185]

too thicker is bad for beginner, is not learn faster, it will quit table tennis faster, cus hard to control, best for beginner, is 1,8mm and 2mm

[@jimmynguyen8254]

2.1 thikness

[@dominusblandus]

Haha. "dont use too thick chinese rubber, because it will be thicker than 4mm when you are boosting - which is illegal"... well, boosting in itsself is illegal - isnt it? :D

[@pingsunday]

Exactly. Boosting is illegal. But factory preboost is allowed

[@bodakyellow6818]

I choose 2.1mm

[@Zidane13893]

what a funny bullshit.... 3:36 you can see photo of Georgina Pota 's racket which is 2.0 Xplode rubber and red 1,9 tenergy 64 on Joola TPE FIGHT which is off++.....and she is pro

[@phildurre9492]

bigger is always better 🤔

[@fc3x336]

just use a medium sponge because too fast is bad for new players, which is not what you said and what you said isnt right

[@andoniainaandrianasolorako8909]

emrathich doesn't agree on anything except that the chinese are perfect, this is getting more and more annoying because i know 100% of the time what he is about to say:saying bad thing about everething else than what the chinese do,we just have to become chinese and we will have the best techinque and equipment guys,that is what he is trying to say

[@axsup7g140]

Schwer und falsch... ^^

[@cubekz87]

Not funny ... 🥴

[@prajwalhn311]

First ;-)

[@buttxrontoast-7100]

Congrats broo