things i hate in the vocaloid fandom

[@hollomai4980]

If people wanna fight over ships maybe they should just become pirates

[@satanikbunny]

sadly pirates are cool and those people aren't

[@QueenPikmin-v9t]

How does that make so much sense?

[@Sinx-Ce]

I hate you but I love you

[@DMParody]

Join my crew

[@Vileplume87]

Yeah! Free photoshop time!!!

[@RinXLen]

Kaito used to be a crackhead but now they make him so serious in head cannons-

[@applzmypiee]

fr like they should watch the old mmd shi like kaito was BUGGIN

[@aksghazi868]

I headcanon Kaito on a spectrum of seriousness. He can be goofy like when I have him beat up by Len despite being much bigger in size, while he can also be serious, like when I make him help Meiko with her drinking problems. It's sort of how I headcanon everyone.

[@MsMvsc]

Who are you even talking about?

[@IcyLapis]

he's still a crackhead in my eyes

[@michylichy01]

Yeah, people said that in project Sekai he is just a good gold heart big bro 😊, but we know his dark past in MMD 😏😏

[@justapotato1176]

when ppl say other newer vocaloid fans "arent real fans" because they cant list every single vocaloid and utau ever released

[@pika8652]

Yeah but who does that ?? I’ve seen more people say that meme statement than people actually asking for all the vocaloid names, and being a prsk fan doesn’t make u a vocaloid fan 😭its two different media’s

[@michylichy01]

Wth? I know vocaloid since 2012 (I think) and I get surprised everytime I listen a song from that ages, like 'where have you been this hole time??!'

[@noflauschi]

@@michylichy01 sameee xD i also started listening in 2012 and still find new songs from back then and i only know like 6 vocaloids lmao

[@rosennacht7624]

I’be listened to Vocaloid since middle school and it took till college for me to know about the most extremely obscure Vocaloids. (“What do you mean there’s a sword Vocaloid?”)

[@splatterdots2436]

Naming every utau could be someone’s purgatory because damn there’s so many

[@Kumaclaws]

Vocaloid fans when you say “I like the twins and Teto” and not “I like the mirror images Kagamine Rin and Kagamine Len as well as the fan favorite utauloid Kasane Teto, which is a free alternative to Vocaloid software”

[@cranburrey]

I remember calling Rin and Len twins and my sister tried to strangle me when she found out 💀

[@strawberry_puffs]

​@@cranburrey wtf why 💀

[@konakona1001]

Personally I will call them twins bc even thought they’re mirrors they ARE twins to me and like crypton said they can be whatever you want lmao

[@hapersonname]

@@cranburrey She WHAT-

[@fiiishyx_0]

BRO FR ONE TIME I SAID ON A VIDEO “oh it’s the kagamine twins they are my favorite vocaloids” AND THEN SOME SMART ALLEC SAID “thEy ArEnT tWINs tHeY’rE miRoRS of EaChoTHeR” LIKE IM GONNA SAY “oh it’s the kagamine MIRRORS OF EACHOTHER”

[@JakauYT]

the death of mmd vids is actually kinda upsetting

[@MiniEmber]

Talkaloids kind of replaced them

[@clown-p3760]

@@MiniEmber yeah but there's always aiden striker

[@haz0816]

they're not dead, you people are just obsessed with genshin and star rail fandom content made in MMD and never give other MMD videos a chance

[@akunekochan]

:/ right said that also I know at least 2 channels with really good looking videos ((mmd x blender to be fair) but one of them shouldn't be uploading THATon yt)

[@uncleshrek3614]

I mean, we CAN revive it tho. Ppl just gotta learn how to use mmd :)

[@Avanescia]

I h8 it when Sega, Crypton, Internet Co., SynthV, my grandma, and basically EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER will say "nothing is really 100% canon about these characters, you're able to do whatever you want with them" and people will still be like "" errm you can't do that with that vocaloid because that's not canon☝🤓""

[@rosennacht7624]

Not your grandma 😂😭

[@candy_ribbons]

THIS LITERALLY THIS LIKE WHY GO BACK ON SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID 😭😭😭

[@ChipsBagel]

Me getting flamed for having the bicute bunnies mikus because “she’s 16”

[@punipalsayshi2644]

"Kaito and Meiko may not have canon age but they're definitely adults! Especially in Project Sekai" Then they forget Leoni Sekai exist 😔 Brought it up cuz the point of Sekais is the VS can be anything to anyone 😭😭😭 yet these fans just...

[@aquamarina773]

​@@punipalsayshi2644Right?! Project Sekai handled the Cryptonloids so well by giving them different personalities in the different Sekais. Kaito and Meiko can even be seen as teens in the school Sekai, yet many fans introduced to the community through the game completely ignore this

[@blessedsyx]

Unpopular opinion: pirating discontinued vocaloids is okay. i’m sorry but we aren’t getting SeeU or Piko again so why not preserve them ?

[@hypnosismicrophone]

REAL!!

[@lenpop3158]

and don't forget Mayu as well. She been forgotten now.

[@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun]

Yes !!

[@kitsuneayano]

@@lenpop3158 true and mayu is such a gem of a voicebank wasn’t aware that she couldn’t be purchased anymore but like the Nintendo Eshop if they would’ve continue to sell products that we are still interested in then it’s only fair to do piracy when we can’t do it legally

[@solidogahi]

This! I miss Piko (>T_T)

[@Dreamii63194]

I hate it when ppl get mad over vocaloid songs having suggestive or inappropriate lyrics like dude isn't that what 80% of all music is about???? Edit: also as a pjsk fan I apologize for the pjsk side of the vocaloid fandom

[@miyumiixroses]

people with rabbit hole 💀

[@matrixiekitty2127]

The new vocaloid fans defo have a cushier intro because when I was a baby vocaloid fan “controversial” topics in vocaloid was super common and mostly well accepted.

[@cranburrey]

@@miyumiixroses “MIKU IS 16!1!” Oh that’s not….

[@xanmurai]

Yea like why is it always PLUS BOY WHEN THERE IS gigantic otn pomp and circumstance (not the graduation song💀💀) Merry sxxmass Holy lance explosion boy And for the older stuff with len and rin in a "incest" mv bro Like aolescence Butterfly on your right shoulder and other 💀💀 They gonna go oogabooga crazy with some small stuff like bro they arent really portrayed as twins in the most earlier era of vocaloid plus bro What about some stuff like Cantarella and cendrillion Yall be goin ISNT KAITO LIKE 20???? AND MIKU IS 16????

[@Eurobeat_fan]

The people who are fighting with the vocaloid community who decided long ago that miku doesn't have an age over miku being a minor makes me want to gatekeep vocaloid

[@Mxtsukii0209]

Things I dislike in the vocaloid community : 1. People that spread misinformation, especially on tik tok with the new fans 2. "(Insert popular vocaloid) is so underrated!!!!" 3. People that force headcanon 4. "Song = ✨ lyrics = 💀" mf 5. People that make such a big deal out of the smallest thing 6. People that always complain about s3xual vocaloid songs but listen to WAP daily 7. People that think listening to Kikuo and MASA is "soooo quirky" for liking "dark" songs. Like ffs they're not the only ones that make dark songs, talk about other producers please 8. Those gatekeeper vocaloid fans 9. "(Vocaloid song) is made by (insert project sekai unit)!!" 10. "(Insert vocaloid character) is from project sekai!!" These are just my opinion

[@MiniEmber]

The people that say Kikuo or Masa is the darkest vocaloid producer are kinda funny though. Machigerita is right there along with many others

[@Ichika1UP]

The songs are dark but I think there are far darker songs

[@pollopolleria2194]

People that praise dark songs act like they never listened to music outside of Vocaloid.

[@JackDatDoge]

@@MiniEmber MARETU, DECO*27, (sorta) any vocaloid metal producer like Utsu-P, and many more make darker songs than Masa or Kikuo

[@MiniEmber]

@@JackDatDoge Maretu and Kikuo are fairly simular on themes. Love them both but there is a lot darkee songs out there. Deco*27 is a new one. Never thought of his songs being dark

[@ami.fluffs]

things i hate about the vocaloid fandom -pjsk players that consider the games' characters as vocaloids

[@Mikulotl]

That’s a new one.

[@ami.fluffs]

@@Mikulotl that has been around for a year or so, there are tiktoks of ppl saying that Emu Otori is their favorite vocaloid... who will tell them? T___T

[@MicyPie]

This one doesn't bother me as much, since it's usually a misunderstanding (unless they INSIST that they are and don't accept people correcting them, that's gotta be annoying)

[@ami.fluffs]

@@MicyPie i'm talking about those that insist, dw

[@eze4731]

yes shizuku is my favourite vocaloid legit

[@iseethesea]

Guys Len can canonically ride a motorcycle because I saw this one video from like 3 years ago where he was saying the lines of Shadow the Hedgehog and Shadow the Hedgehog can ride a motorcycle.

[@akariraka]

The main thing I dislike about the fandom is newer fans calling classic Vocaloid songs “PJSK” songs. Like you will NEVER catch me calling Worlds End Dancehall, Love Trial, Aishite x3 or Romeo and Cinderella a “PJSK” song On that topic, you will also NEVER catch me calling Miku and the others virtual singers

[@PAPAScheesearia]

exactly bro like “World Is Mine” isn’t a PJSK song it existed like 8 years before that game

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

Fr 😭 me turning into the old man emoji after someone calls aishitex3 a prsk song

[@LadyDreamfyre]

What does PJSK even mean -

[@ssnekky]

@@LadyDreamfyreit’s an abbreviation for the vocaloid mobile rhythm game Project Sekai

[@PAPAScheesearia]

@@LadyDreamfyreIt means “Project Sekai” which is a Sega rhythm game with vocaloids

[@pigeontoes5421]

100% my biggest pet peeve is age discourse. Any vocaloid can be any age, i really dont care unless the actual irl voice provider is a child.

[@gryficowa]

I don't care because it's awkward to create a song from a child's voicebank that has adult content, but it's OK with others

[@pigeontoes5421]

@@gryficowa yes, thats what i said, that'd be very weird.

[@aniiii_wxs]

i don’t care unless the vocaloid is visually a child and the voice actor is honestly

[@rosennacht7624]

I feel like all three of these comments are referring to Kaai-Yuki lmao

[@RinXLen]

It’s always the Rinku and Kameiko fans who force their own head canons on everyone

[@ralseisbiggestblunt2076]

Real, I love both of these ships but as a Meiluka/Gakukai/Kiyokai enjoyer I see so many hostility from Kaimei fans when someone mentions other ships with them like damn calm down

[@Sateriasis_Venomania]

@@ralseisbiggestblunt2076 kiyokai based

[@kitsuneayano]

Or simple lenku , fukase x mayu , lily x any other like Luka ,gakupo or gumi ,kaito and kokone, or Miku and vy2 yuuma , honestly I ship it but more enjoy how well voices pair with each other and enjoy the song itself over shipping fictional characters of instruments together, been a fan since I was 14 in middle school world is mine and bad end night , evil chronicles and kagerou project being the first series I listened to and still love

[@insertenombre8522]

And they say that “Meiko and Kaito are adults, they can’t be shiped with other vocaloids because that’s illegal” (when neither of them have a canon age) 🤨 I don’t really know why is this suddenly so important to everyone? Years before, you could ship whoever you wanted and it was good as long as you didn’t affect others, but now you can’t because you’ll get bullied (?)

[@RinXLen]

@@insertenombre8522 EXACTLY

[@N.c6144]

Totally see the fun haters everywhere. Especially with ships. For example, if you say you like mikuluka a wave of those just come and comment “nooooo miku and luka have canon age!7!&9&! You can’t s-ship them!” No they are instruments who are ment to be anything you want (and both have voice providers who are ADULT women. ) imagine how many songs wouldn’t exist if a lot of vocaloids had a canon age. And MikuLuka makes me happy and smile since I was 12.

[@albinoadinross]

they are instruments but they also have canon mascot ages so like idk 😭

[@rosennacht7624]

MikuLuka was my favorite ship as a kid lmao

[@dogofchaos]

I find it so weird that preteens and teens are so anti-piracy *when it comes to big corpo things like softwares or movies*, but at the same time they just yoink any and every song, cover, fanart, etc. for their tiktok shorts, they repost animatics without credits, like, hellooooo, what you're doing is also piracy and it's even more scummy than what you stand against...

[@matrixiekitty2127]

THIS!! Fully this!!

[@jan_Eten]

i repost memes, and i dont even edit out ðe watermark bc im lazy (also ive gotten one comment about crediting ðe original artist so far)

[@Twiddle_things]

​@@jan_Eten þorn reigns supreme. All hail þorn, þe forgotten character. (Þ = th)

[@jan_Eten]

@@Twiddle_things eð is more forgotten ðan þorn

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

The young generation has been duped into thinking being a corporate shill is rebellious

[@twilac4016]

VOCALOIDS ARE ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO BE AND PEOPLE NEED TO STOP RESTRICTING OTHERS FROM HAVING FUN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@LadyRoeanna]

SAY IT LOUDER SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼‼‼‼‼‼

[@kenrichgumanid9235]

Say it in loudspeaker, baby.

[@cranburrey]

GIVE THEM A MEGAPHONE!!

[@starfluidity]

MORE YELLING EMOJIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@HE13272326]

YES!! but seriously i agree. There is no canon in vocaloid so there is no *akschually!* a'la Reddit

[@KNIGHTMARE__]

The stuff about “what’s canon” is so annoying. Most of these characters are designed to be blank slates to be used any way you want. Even things like characters’ official ages don’t necessarily need to be taken as canon, they are literally just voice synthesizers at the end of the day. I mean if you wanted you could headcanon Miku as a 40 year old man, these characters were made for you to depict them any way you want.

[@Kiki-VOCALOID09]

Right I personally view the vocaloid characters as ageless unless they are being depicted as a certain age like in a song or drawing

[@Brisket-guilty-gear]

Theres literally NO CANON 90% of vocaloid stuff is from the fandom

[@KNIGHTMARE__]

@@Brisket-guilty-gear Exactly. And any canon there is doesn’t necessarily need to be taken as canon.

[@Brisket-guilty-gear]

@@KNIGHTMARE__ thank you

[@Brisket-guilty-gear]

Fannon is basically cannon at this point

[@hypnosismicrophone]

3:59 ill never forget trying to download ficking AMONG US CREWMATE models and the creator put a whole riddle for the password which was : "The name of the song from Ariana Grande's 6th album, i.e. Positions, where Doja Cat is featured. (No capital letters or spaces. No numbers or decimals.)" LIKE ITS SO RIDICULOUS SORRY WHAT IS THAT

[@Minnemi]

thats the one lmaoooo

[@hypnosismicrophone]

HELP I HAD TO FISH OUT THE ANSWER FROM FACEBOOK😭😭

[@moaPro]

fr why are people GUARDING their stuff??

[@Brisket-guilty-gear]

Bruh

[@jrhamari]

Adding onto this, My pet peeve in regards to MMD content is when people take down their download links because they werent credited for it in videos. Before I get jumped, Let me just stress that I get why it happens. It just kinda bugs me that because some people didnt credit them, Everyone has to suffer. Though a close second would be the deviantart accounts that ask you to leave a comment that you downloaded the model or motion data.

[@prikaPa-stery]

I don't like it when people say "Cryptonloids aren't Vocaloids anymore because they've been updated to Piapro." Their Vocaloid banks aren't discontinued and I could buy one officially if I wanted to, so they're both Vocaloids AND Piapro. It's almost like saying Yamine Renri isn't an UTAU anymore because she was updated to SynthV, and I'm not aware whether her UTAU has been updated recently but I'm certain it's still available for download as of June 2024

[@Ecliptic-P]

Some kid was going around in a comment section saying this exact thing about teto then when i corrected them it kinda turned into a fight (i more wanted to see what they had to say) and they ignored literally everything i said lmfao

[@rosennacht7624]

A non-vocaloid example that this reminded me of is when Hanna-Barbera was bought by Warner-Bros. (went defunct afterwards) and yet the brand still holds the name. Like just because they get bought by another company doesn’t mean they automatically lose their origin/brand.

[@OctoFloofy]

I'm pretty new to all of this, so this means Vocaloid isn't a genre name but a program name?

[@Ecliptic-P]

@@OctoFloofy yea its a program but its often used as an umbrella term lol. (Though most have swapped to "vocal synths" due to what people stir up when someone refers to lets say teto as a vocaloid)

[@Soobins-Dimples]

The only think I hate about this fandom is yes the “canon” shet. Like I don’t care 😭

[@LocalTorchwoodIntern]

reall, the only canon shit in my eyes is either the backstory officially given by the company or the artist or the provider of the vocaloid or any scraps of headcannons I have and seen from other people!!

[@Soobins-Dimples]

@@LocalTorchwoodIntern sorry like the None canon canon stuff if that makes sense like them being twins or they’re ages 😭

[@Soobins-Dimples]

@@LocalTorchwoodIntern ye I try but like I still see them as twins cause they do look alike xD

[@LocalTorchwoodIntern]

@@Soobins-Dimples YEah I getcha !! I've seen them how whatever song portrays them as cause I know that they mirror each other ! I just don't personally ship the Kagamines btf

[@rosennacht7624]

If you try to search up the ages of vocaloid, you’d even get a result saying that the company didn’t give them official ages. That the ages in stuff like video games aren’t set-in-stone canon.

[@mooonblooom]

things i hate about the vocaloid fandom: 1. everything (/lh)

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

TRUE

[@zeeemiii]

what does lh mean

[@PrincessPeachyyyy]

Sameeeee

[@Mangerously]

@@zeeemiii it indicates a light-hearted tone

[@zeeemiii]

@@Mangerously tysmm

[@strawberryjam6235]

Teto is a chimera and for a chimera 30 is the equivalent of being 15 in human years

[@Beeeeeewwwww]

Is teto even a vocaloid? Like she's SynthV but does that make her a vocaloid or no?.

[@PlatonicDIVA]

​@@BeeeeeewwwwwNo

[@MsMvsc]

​@@Beeeeeewwwww She has literally never been a vocaloid. That's kinda the point.

[@personita2.733]

@@Beeeeeewwwww Vocaloid isn't a category or anything it's an specific Vocal Synthesis program, there has never and probably will never be an oficial Teto voice bank made for Vocaloid the same way there are no oficial miku Utau or SynthV voice banks, Thus Teto is not a vocaloid and miku is not an utauloid. Vocaloid just happens to be (or used to be) the biggest Vocal synthesis Software with it's only posible rival (like 15 years ago) being the clunky Utau (The program Teto debuted in) so the entire fandom gets called "The Vocaloid Fandom" and everyone of these Characters get called "vocaloids" coloquially as a whole even if they aren't actually vocaloids which is now increasibly common with the rise of SynthV (Which also counts with it's own -now paid for- Teto bank), CeVio and other alternatives to vocaloid that surpass it in every way because Vocaloid 6 is still trying to catch up to them and Kind Of Failing Tbh. Some times terms like "Utauloids" are used in clarification to dishtinguish (in this case) mascots made for Utau voice banks from those made for other programs but most everyone gets around with Vocaloid and if you are really really confused about this colloquial use you can always use Vocal Synthesizers although that's more the voicebanks and the program than their mascot

[@MiniEmber]

@@Beeeeeewwwww She was made originally as a joke to fool people into thinking she's the next vocaloid product. Teto is a vipperloid that later got a UTAU vb and recently got a Synth V vb

[@Rozu667]

I hate when people make a big deal about the lyrics of a song. This is mainly from newer fans/fans who came from project sekai. They wouldn't last 10 seconds listening to Gigantic O.T.N.

[@MicyPie]

I hate when ppl complain about rabbit hole like there are so many popular western songs that are WAY worse

[@chaus1ku]

​@@MicyPieLiterally

[@matrixiekitty2127]

Oh Jesus that song would send them into a tailspin😵‍💫

[@whiteasparagus4331]

@@MicyPie I honestly feel that this has to do a lot with the infantilization of Japanese people and how they’re often perceived as “cute” so when a Japanese song has super inappropriate lyrics they freak out bcuz they expect anything from Japan to be cute and kawaii n shit, it sucks

[@gemiqueen0]

they r the same ppl who hype up plus boy

[@nayeli876]

KAITO BEING 13?????? NO WAY 😭 UR KIDDING.....

[@akariraka]

AINT no WAY he’s younger than Miku 💀

[@nayeli876]

@@akariraka LIT... HE IS LIKE OLDER OLDER THAN MIKU

[@ralseisbiggestblunt2076]

Ain't no way that hotass dilf is younger than Len

[@akariraka]

@@nayeli876what is this fandom ON 💀💀😭

[@Vileplume87]

I DON'T SEE IT HE IS 20 YOUNGEST LIKE THAT MAN LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A 9-5

[@SmokySk13s]

Something that really annoys me about the current vocaloid fandom is how much gatekeeping there is. The amount of people complaining about 'new vocaloid fans' is insane. Yeah some new fans are really annoying, but they're also just being introduced to vocaloid. Of course they'd get stuff wrong. Just correct them politely and move on

[@AdrianSoulstone]

NAH FR THO!!!

[@beomkaslana]

THIS!!!

[@goldfishyums]

THANK YOU 🎉

[@Tami-yf6yw]

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

[@MiniEmber]

May be guilty of this. The issue is that they don't really listen.

[@vulpiixfoxx]

Also the little note about how in the vocaloid fandom it seems ‘fun is slowly getting banned’ I feel like that’s recently been a problem for a lot of fandoms unfortunately. It’s been recently feeling like if you accidentally take the wrong step everybody is going to be at your throat in certain fandom spaces more than others, whether it’s because you shipped the wrong ship or you liked the wrong characters, etc. But maybe that’s just me lol

[@p5strikerss]

for me its basically the pjsk side. they harass you for liking a ship. or not liking a ship. PICK A SIDE i just wanted something that feels like project diva

[@platypus3674]

fr...I'm a pjsk fan myself and I hate the toxic shippers. I just wanted a vocaloid game because my broke self couldn't afford both project diva and a console for it :')

[@p5strikerss]

@@platypus3674 my boyfriend is uncomfortable with anhane because someone on twitter decided to threaten. some horrific stuff. to a literal joke with akian. they didnt even hate anhane god forbid they be silly

[@Pukeprincess]

Me too. If you're gonna make a gacha game at least let the other vocaloids and maybe Utaus and utaties in

[@ikerquinteroaviles2294]

​​@@Pukeprincess im sorry but this makes no sense at all like just bc Crypton was planning to make a gacha game doesnt mean they had to add Gumi and other non cryptonloids as that would force them to give credit and a part of the money they get to internet co. (Or other companies such as 1st place, etc.) And wdym "let utaites in" do u want Ado in game or sum 😭

[@Pukeprincess]

@@ikerquinteroaviles2294 yes. Yes I do.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

2015 you looks so funny im SOBBING My personal annoyance is still when people credit the vocaloid instead of the producer 💔 it’s gotten better since it was in the 2010-2015 era but I think sekai kinda revamped it a little. It’s still not as bad as it used to be though thankfully

[@MiniEmber]

Sekai 100% revamped it. We get people that credit the in game bands instead of the producers now

[@ikerquinteroaviles2294]

For me pjsk was the exact opposite bc i can now easily see the producer under the song's name so ive started to learn the producers by heart

[@rosennacht7624]

Yooo! This sent me back to when people on youtube would go to the comments and pretend to be the Vocaloid singing in various videos. Their profile would have the image and name of the vocaloid being like “OMG Thank you guys! (\(^u^)/) I sang my heart out in this song!” Or something similar.

[@candy_ribbons]

I don’t like how on streaming services like Spotify the in game covers are credited with the bands instead of the actual artists, maybe it’s just me but that just feels disrespectful

[@zim_yi]

​@@candy_ribbonsright they're not even crediting the seiyuus 😔

[@briizou]

The thing I hate about the fandom 1) Yes FUKASE'S ONE IS SO TRUE 2) "Oh my god is that Kagamine Len from Project Sekai?"

[@rasberrymilk4753]

“Rinku cannon 😊” ok, I have a cannon aiming for your house.

[@rasberrymilk4753]

Also meiko and kaito and middle age to me…Kaito being 13 made me chuckle

[@JackDatDoge]

@@rasberrymilk4753 meiko's gotta be in her 30s

[@Kiki-VOCALOID09]

​@@rasberrymilk4753same unless someone drew them as a 13 year old than I wouldn't really think it's weird

[@wiimusic5671]

calm down dawg

[@Tami-yf6yw]

What are you so mad about😨

[@nekomily]

Omg I hate it when people hate on Miku just bc she’s the most popular vocaloid 😭 Like I get the other vocaloid deserve attention too, but that’s no reason to be shitting on Miku 💀

[@prikaPa-stery]

AGREE!!! Miku has been my favorite for nearly 3 years out of my 4 years of being a vocaloid fan because I love her voice, she's SUPER CUTE, and nothing feels just like her but it seems like if you say Miku is your favorite people will think you're a new fan or don't care about other voicebanks :(

[@kitsuneayano]

She’s cute but voicebanks like mayu , or kokone , one , lily , una etc need attention too

[@lilbears]

I don't really think people hate Miku I just think it's the miku stands they were pretty annoying and that hasn't changed, ngl there was a point where I didn't like Miku but it was because of the stands they were so obnoxious about her you couldn't say anything about any other vocaloid without them bringing her into it. I still see people like this in comments a lot but I feel like it's not as bad as before 🤷

[@kyokosakura3192]

​@@kitsuneayanoWe know, but that doesn't mean we have to like them.

[@gravelorddarkrai]

Lmao I used to hate gumi because I thought she was more popular than she should be and I liked the vocaloids who sung mostly Japanese more but now I don’t hate gumi at all I mean she isn’t my favorite (neither is miku) but idk why I hated gumi for that reason like she wasn’t even the most popular vocaloid😅

[@shadowl.dragmire8531]

I hate the inforced headcanons its ridiculous like they are free use characters ON PURPOSE!

[@maskedfoxx7173]

Things I hate, you ask? How Mayu was going to get a scale figure but it was cancelled. I weep everyday thinking about how I will never have my perfect little bby girl sitting on my shelf watching me sleep. Mayu deserves better.

[@Purgatory_Pal]

WHAT? There was going to be a Mayu figure??

[@maskedfoxx7173]

@@Purgatory_Pal Yeah, I think it was supposed to come out in 2015 but for unknown reasons it was cancelled. RIP Mayu figure, I would have treated you so well 💔

[@MelCastel29]

As a person who doesn't give a fuck about ships, I'm just watching all like : 🍿🍿🍿

[@Kyogaa_Kintsugi]

FOR REAL like I'm watching y'all fight over Rinku and Lenku with the soda and popcorn in hands

[@YE4rt]

I find it pretty hard to ship Vocaloids since they basically have zero personality unless you give them one lol. I don’t care about the ships either and I was surprised to find out they are a pretty big part of the fandom.

[@kizuzuzu]

Me too, I'll just watch if the lil kids fighting over if rinku or lenku is better, rin and len is mirror they are the same person 😢

[@ssnekky]

As a project sekai player (hell just look at my PFP), project sekai players annoy the hell out of me. Like please, not everything is problematic. RABBIT HOLE IS NOT A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, it’s a bop.

[@happiness_showch]

I saw prsk players hating on a childhood friends ship calling it problematic nahhh that's one of the most wholesome tropes ever 😭

[@MiniEmber]

The rabbit hole upload is just full of pjs and tiktok users. It's kind of insane.

[@ness7349]

I hate how they made a whole oc for Rabbit Hole because they thought Miku was underage

[@Kiki-VOCALOID09]

Im not a project sekai fan but I agree I personally don't like the rabbit hole animation that was trending because it was inappropriate but I don't think it's problematic it's just something I don't like

[@Kiki-VOCALOID09]

​@@happiness_showchWHAT?? how is that problematic I love that ship??

[@moondust9539]

there are alot of ppl in the vocaloid fandom ACTIVELY who are over 20!! hell, you'll find me in the nursing home vibing to my vocaloid playlist. i love the old classic songs just as much as the new ones I'm never getting out of this 'phase' HAH

[@rosennacht7624]

Me being 22 jamming to Ten-Faced Gumi at the nursing home bingo 💃💃🪩💃💃

[@matrixiekitty2127]

Same here! I’ve been a fan for a decade now! I started as a kid and now as an adult I still love vocaloid, it’s a love I don’t think will ever go away!

[@whiteasparagus4331]

Hell, most vocaloid producers are grown ass men over the age of 30 LMAOOO

[@rosennacht7624]

@@whiteasparagus4331 I was just thinking this lmao Most of these producers are 21+ lmao

[@JohnH100-ih3he]

I'm 18 and a fan now, but I was never a fan when I was very young like a lot of people, I got into it about two years ago. Come to think of it I've have never heard of someone getting into Vocaloid as late as me.

[@yaishomashuiza]

Hi. Japanese here. I apologize if the translator misreads my words. Is it just me who gets a bit annoyed when I see others say, "Oh, I made Miku sing this song with AI, that is basically what Vocaloid is." I think AI has ruined a lot of people's opinions on Vocaloid and UTAU and whatnot. Honestly, it is so hard to make a Vocaloid or UTAU song, so I just carefully explain to those people. I apologize for the intrusion. Great video!

[@gemiqueen0]

YES you aren't alone. On twitter when it was revealed that miku was going to perform at coachella, someone called her an AI and it started a big drama that lasted for a few days lol. People get pissed when she's called an AI and i see people correcting other people for that on every social platform I've been on.

[@yaishomashuiza]

@gemiqueen0 Ah, I see lol. Thank you for your reply.

[@gemiqueen0]

@@yaishomashuiza np 👌

[@1tecito]

YES! AI has fried people’s minds because when I try to explain vocaloid to a non vocaloid fan they understand like “oh so it’s like AI voice generators?” and no it’s nothing like that

[@yaishomashuiza]

@@1tecito It is crazy, right?

[@NihilLucis]

the password things is the worst, like i know you want us to read your rules but noo like one time it was the year of birth of the charachter + the number of the video on nico + what is their favorite food + the name of their mother like huh?

[@donyori]

My favorite thing about Vocaloid is that they're a blank slate. I used to write fan fiction all the time when I was younger , and if I were to post now, people would be upset by the things I made Miku say. I also hate the Project Sekai and Vocaloid debates I see on Pinterest.

[@gemiqueen0]

I stopped giving af about what those people think. Its like everyone's iron shield dropped and now they're suddenly fragile as fuck about the littlest things. They get mad at us for literally making their skin a bit dark like bro, is that not the point? We give them what we want 💀. Ignore those people. Those are the fun police.

[@l0v3k1ss]

as a fellow old person I couldnt agree more

[@Foxy_Blitz]

Being an older Vocaloid fan as well (it hits harder in the idol community), I do agree that funny Vocaloid is dead and replaced with deranged and/or depressed Vocaloid. You like a song that’s super cute and wholesome? Not a lot of fans. A song that’s about death and partying? Already on the list to be put into ProSekai and used as a dance meme on Tiktok.

[@justadumbchrysanthemum]

The piracy one is so real. The site I used to pirate vocaloids got taken down 😔

[@JackDatDoge]

if buying isnt owning piracy isnt stealing

[@Twiddle_things]

NOOOO Do you know any other trustworthy sites? Because of my country's economy I literally cannot afford to dish out like 3 weeks worth of food for a fucking singing robot 💀💀💀

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

@@JackDatDogeI mean it’s not really stealing when every single song is created by the community and opened sourced for free on KZbin and niko niko

[@Sorana914]

Why does everyone still fight about whether teto's utau or synthV is better? They were built to work together and sound phenomenal when hamonized correctly.

[@Lady_ETHNE]

EXACTLY! I prefer her SynthV for personal reasons, but her UTAU vb is freaking amazing too!

[@MicyPie]

I love both voice banks! I love anything Teto! I also love it when people do crazy things like making SV Teto sound like UTAU Teto and vice versa, it's so cool!

[@allhana365]

Oh I LOVE it when someone tunes them to harmonize together! I just love Teto’s voice. Do you have any specific Teto duo recommendations? I’ve been having a hard time finding some lately.

[@MicyPie]

@@allhana365 There's a cover of Kanaria's Requiem and it uses both Tetos

[@homer_sexual]

This. Also, "the commercial bank that costs actual money should sound the exact same as the free one" is kind of a weird take anyway lol. Why would people buy her then

[@bettyharajuku2803]

nothing saddens me more than the fact that funny MMD videos are dead ;-;

[@uncleshrek3614]

Nah, they're not dead tho...most of the modern stuff now are animated talkloids (and animated touhou parodies) but there're still some funny ones out too.

[@bettyharajuku2803]

@@uncleshrek3614 yeah ive seen some of the new stuff, just doesnt have the charm it had back in the day yk

[@inkyara.21]

i miss koshitsukiP

[@FaustedExistence]

​@@inkyara.21 I wish there are more translations of that.

[@sparrowhawkstation]

One thing about Vocaloid fandom I wish is more common is that fans give credit to the producers of music, not just the voices . The producer worked hard to create the song, do not just say it was made by Miku, someone created it !

[@MiniEmber]

Congrats on beating me to it but it's funny that our comments are by each other

[@sparrowhawkstation]

Regardless of who comment is first, it is happy to see more Producer appreciators 🦐🤝🦐

[@pascal1964]

This was literally me when the band Set It Off had “Feat. Hatsune Miku” In one of their song titles and never credited Vocacircus ⚰️

[@MiniEmber]

@@pascal1964 The streaming services have credits but the yt upload does not unfortuantly

[@tastelesschalk]

I am also a senior citizen in the Vocaloid community (22) and have been a huge fan for YEARS - the fun really has all died down sadly and its sad to see everything be called PJSK now

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

Damn, if your a senior citizen to the community then what am I . I’m (31) joined in mid 2008 lol

[@mskittygemma]

What I hate: -When hardcore Miku X KAITO fans sent hate to MEIKO on any of her songs just because people started pairing MEIKO with KAITO. This was a long time ago but it still hurts. Also those stupid puzzles just to download a Model. MY HEAD

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

I liked Miku x Luka. That’s what the ship always was, especially after magnet came out

[@speedmincer]

This one probably everyone knows, and it's mostly new fans who don't truly understand yet what a vocaloid actually is, but when they credit the songs as "Miku's songs", or "Gumi's songs", disregarding the real composer/producer of the music. There's videos of songs that just say "Hatsune miku - (song name)" and not even in the description you see the producer's name. And some comment says like "crazy that cosMo made this" and no one in the replies knew. I think wowaka, ryo and hachi made lyrics about this issue and is one of the reasons they stopped using vocaloid vocals, because they didn't get the credit, but Miku did It's much better now I think, now everyone knows who Deco*27, PinocchioP, etc are and which songs they made

[@MiniEmber]

They always get so mad when you say something too. If you really want to upload a sped up version of(insert trend here) then credit the producer

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

What ever happen to ryo and supercell anyways. He deleted all his songs one day and disappeared. He pretty much made some of the most legendary songs to ever exist and pretty much made the songs that pushed vocaloid in the direction it went with songs like melt and love is war

[@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun]

On the Fukase age headcanons thing I kind of get why people put him younger sometimes -- one thing to note is the ship Oliver × Fukase is VEEEERY popular so people like to put Fuka in Oliver's age range for ship reasons. It also doesn’t help that Fukase has _chronic babyface,_ of which has been intensifying as of late: for whatever reason, Mikuma//3kMA (Fuka's official illustrator) has been drawing him a bit younger looking in their more recent arts. I personally headcanon Fukase to be 17, but just god awful levels of short. He has never seen the top shelf in his entire life and that will likely never change.

[@clown-p3760]

fuka being super short is SO real tho like look at this man and tell me he's not tiny also the hcing fukase to be around oliver's age for ship reasons is kinda calling me out- but i could easily see him as any age tbh, i sometimes like to think of him as a really unhinged like 40 year old man and it still fits lmfao

[@staeriix]

real I always thought of him being 14..

[@genxtq.]

ive always felt that people just made fukase on the younger side just to ship him with oliver, which there isnt rlly anything wrong with that lol, but for me at least i say hes about in his early 20s. but 10 years old is a bit unreal to me at least

[@staeriix]

@@genxtq. I’d say it’s also because of the baby face.. but some ages are kind of unrealistic.

[@genxtq.]

@@staeriix yeah he does have a big baby face LMAO, but then sometimes the ages just make no sense. i saw someone say that they saw someone say they thought kaito was 13 lol

[@Trxe-uh6op]

When newer fans overreact over inappropriate Vocaloid songs They think Rabbit Hole is crossing the line, I cannot WAIT until they listen to The Madness of Duke Venomania, Gigantic O.T.N, Plus Boy, and Messiah or Desire

[@nnik6755]

3:55 I know that in some cases (usually nnd downloads) the riddles are kinda designed to keep non japanese-speakers from downloading since we have a reputation for breaking model/motion rules and not crediting properly

[@MiniEmber]

Ran into someone a few days ago that didn't want people to ship Miku and Teto because Teto is 31. I explained the age joke to them but it was still funny seeing such a comment. Also the thing I hate the most is people not crediting producers but crediting the software or in pjs case, the in game band. Then they get mad when people ask them to credit producers.

[@gemiqueen0]

one of my friends got hate because they shipped len x teto and pulled the p*do card 😒😒

[@MiniEmber]

@@gemiqueen0 Sorry to hear that. Have not seen that ship much tbh

[@gemiqueen0]

@@MiniEmber fr since its a rarepair. wish i said more to the mf who was angrily yapping

[@MiniEmber]

@@gemiqueen0 It really is but nothing is wrong with it

[@mysteira06]

About the whole notion of the ‘fun’ era of the Vocaloid fandom ending… I think this is kind of in alignment of how the content of Vocaloid changed over time. Looking back at when Vocaloid began, there were songs that were written more as a story or as a funny gag, but nowadays you don’t see as much of them. Conversely, we got more emotional and relatable songs coming from producers, which paint the characters in a more serious than funny light. The chain effect is that because we as a fandom love those songs, it changes our perception of the characters, so seeing them as funny goofy characters doesn’t come naturally, especially for the newer fans. (Best case example is me; I came into the fandom in 2020 and never understood the comedic appeal of older MMD videos, which would make sense since I didn’t grow up with them)

[@hikari27506]

*Things I hate in the Vocaloid fandom:* - The puritans who think Rabbit Hole is the worst thing that's ever existed. - The FNF fans, I just stay away from them. - People who force their headcanons onto others (especially gender and pronouns) - "Those" Project Sekai fans. - The new fans vs old fans war (let's all live in harmony, please). - People who take characters too seriously: I saw people sending means threats and accusing someone of p-dophilia just for simping over Ruko, a 6 foot tall character who wears a visible thong, has a gambling addiction and drinks coffee who happens to be "12 years old". The creator themself confirmed that the age is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously, but those people's excuses? "I was tall as a 12 year old, plus there are 12 year olds who gamble and wear such clothes". Seriously, don't bring real life laws into stuff like these, you won't get arrested over it. Plus you're just making yourself appear delusional (unless the characters are voiced by children like Kaai Yuki, this may be reportable but still, it's better to block than harass otherwise you're just stooping to their level). - Ship wars and discourse. The Kagamine ship won't burn your house, and so does the Miku x Kaito ship so calm down and be civil to others. I myself feel uncomfortable around some content that I dislike, but what do I do? Scroll away, mute the ship name or block the account related to the content. Also harassment is a big no, you're just poisoning the fandom (and see the above). - People who always bring drama in the fandom. - Crappy MMD model rules (a Luka model had a rule that prohibits shipping her with men because she's only made for lesbian ships) - There's something that happened that annoyed me: so Masa works design has an old song that's lost media "Interface", when I found a video titled something like "Interface another footage found", I clicked on it, but it was some crappy meme, turns out it was only to clickbait the Masa fans because of the controversy surrounding Masa *(separate the creation from the creator or don't upload at all, jeez.)* Anyways, sorry if I sound too pessimistic. I just chill with the fandom and block toxic people. *A little advice:* if you want to engage safely with the fandom, avoid TikTok at all costs.

[@tricoelacanth1114]

What's so wrong with the FNF fans?

[@eienryucho6648]

Oh my God Minnemi, THANK you for making this, I feel so seen by it and the comments people made My biggest pet peeve with most people in the new fandom is that... they don't love Vocaloid Not because they can't recite the whole vocaloid wiki, but because they actually don't even listen to the Vocaloid versions which speaks for itself. They don't have that feeling we have towards the voice and singing of vocaloids Specially cause a lot of the "virtual singer versions" are watered down tuning-wise to appease these people And even when they do, they don't care enough to go look at the lyrics or the meaning even _once_ As if the song hasn't fascinated them or listen to more vocaloid covers of the same song and be excited about what that sounds like (do they even know that's a thing?) Not that these are requirements or that there's a checklist, but it's just obvious that for the majority of these people the whole project sekai and "virtual singer" thing is just another one of their temporary gacha games that they'll have forgotten most things about in 4 years I guess it's fine for them to enjoy the content in that way, but that is not a vocaloid fan, and that is not how I as someone who has truly loved Vocaloids wants to be represented to the public if this gets more popular But I do rejoice in the fact that the new game had our good old producers be commissioned and made way for some actual new vocaloid fans :D To the reader who is a new Vocaloid lover introduced via Project Sekai, Welcome to the basement-tier gang 🎧⚡ "Love and music, that's all we need"

[@pearlstarlight5]

The "no old people" and "MMD passwords" parts are so true! Some things I hate about the current vocal synth fandom: 1. Elitism about AI. A lot of AI fans complain about standard fans being elitist over the old robot sound being better than the realistic sound of contemporary AI vocal synths, but I would argue that the AI fans who act elitist over the realistic sound being better than the robot sound are even worse. These people insist that basically every Vocaloid should have a SynthV version. 2. No respect to Utau voicebank devs. We put so much work into voicebanks and it all gets overlooked except by other Utau voicebank devs because it's just lowly Utau.

[@Sorana914]

What about diffsinger?

[@pearlstarlight5]

@@Sorana914 On one hand, I would say it's dethroning VCV as the new "gold standard" of indie voicebank development. On the other hand, it means that you no longer have to be a professional or popular to make an AI vocal synth, and I would say this outweighs the negative.

[@Kiki-VOCALOID09]

I love vocaloid and their robotic voices I personally prefer it over synth v tbh it saddens me to see people using synth v teto more than utau teto but whatever we have our own opinions

[@Sorana914]

@@Kiki-VOCALOID09 where are you getting that information utau teto original songs have doubled

[@Kiki-VOCALOID09]

@@Sorana914 wait really?? The only songs I get recommended are synth v teto original songs sorry for being wrong

[@leleozao]

something i hate about vocaloid fandom is actually not really the fandom its the fucking program like WHY VOCALOID 5 & 6 ARE SO TRASH 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun]

YEAH V5 CRASHES MY PC LIKE MY ENTIRE PC SO OFTEN LIKE WHAT THE HELL SOMETIMES ALL I DO IS L O O K AT IT AND IT D I E S

[@Sateriasis_Venomania]

vocaloid 6 has cool voicebanks i wish I could use them in v4

[@ikerquinteroaviles2294]

Fr and the AI voicebanks can sound questionable at times like the fairly new vocaloid from internet co. Hibiki Koto literally sounds like she cant reach some high notes IN HER OWN DEMO like what 😭

[@amikai_P]

v6 and v5 editors are trash but the banks...oh the banks..oh how i wish i could get those in v4

[@akunekochan]

RIGHT???? AND SO MUCH LESS OPTIONS!! WHY IT MAKE THEY SOUND LIKE THAT?? HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO MAKE MY GAKUPO SING ENGRISH NOW??

[@Stardust-P]

I’m gonna add in people calling Neru “the yellow one who isn’t in mesmerizer”

[@mezzow]

0:41 literally nothing is canon in vocaloid, theyre just blank slates with appearances for you to customize the personality and age of. literally NOTHING other than their appearances are canon😭😭 theres only like their years, weight, and height etc. that are the creators fill-in of the character, you can do anything with them. alter their relationships (like rin and len being twins or siblings), change how they act, etc. !!

[@mezzow]

oh god that was long

[@redstarx33]

As an old person myself, (late 90's bby), I just watch whoever I want to watch and listen to whoever I want too. Delete tiktok, don't interact with people on twitter (unless it's oomfs), don't interact with anyone that is not your fellow nerd. It's not just the vocaloid fandom that's getting like this but MANY others that relate to anything weeb/anime/games/etc. It's just getting worse with the internet being more accessible.

[@pinkpearl9848]

A personal pet peeve of mine is when people try and claim a certain vocaloid ship is proship when no vocaloid has a canon age and barely any have canon relationships to each other

[@sydney9011]

I feel like we also get a lot of people taking the "canon" too seriously too. Like ok Miku's mascot is 16. That doesn't mean she is 16 in every. single. song. These are voice banks so they're basically like barbies you can play with and make up stories with. Of course she won't be 16 in every song that uses her voicebank. There's also so many different kinds of Vocaloid fans and we need to stop pretending that you need to know EVERYTHING in order to be a "real fan". I personally couldn't give less of a shit about Utauloids but I've still been in this fandom space since 2012. Just because I don't know anything about Utau doesn't mean I'm a fake fan, it means I have preferences!

[@prikaPa-stery]

You're so right for this I've been a fan since 2020 and despite knowing alot about vocal synths Miku's my favorite because I love her voice the most out of the nearly hundreds of voices I've listened to, and I'm sure if she wasn't as popular as she is now or way more popular that wouldn't change💙

[@aquamarina773]

I'm an older Vocaloid fan who entered the fandom around 2009/2010, but I've started calling most characters "Voice Synths", "Virtual Idols" or "Virtual Singers". There's so many new synths these days, and many characters are switching programs, so I thought that would be easier. But when I called Miku a Virtual Singer an older fan started bashing me, saying I sounded like an "uneducated Sekai fan". If you wanna continue calling them Vocaloids that's fine, but why do people gotta be so triggered when you're just using another correct term? Even Crypton calls them Virtual Singers now.

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

Idk, I enter around 2008/2009. Vocaloid just stuck with me. Always called the genre vocaloid. Even the new characters that are t crypton. Some of us old fans consider the whole genre as vocaloid as that’s what we’ve always called them. Voice synths just sounds weird to me and doesn’t roll of the tongue like vocaloid did

[@aquamarina773]

@@HatsuneM1ku01 I understand, but to me calling all Virtual Singers 'Vocaloid' even when some of them aren't from the Vocaloid program, is like calling an android phone 'Iphone'. It doesn't bother me when other people do it, but a SynthV voice or Miku's NT voice for Piapro aren't Vocaloid. I usually still call Miku and the others 'Vocaloid' since they still have Vocaloid voice banks, but it's a bit annoying when people try to correct me if I call them Virtual Idols instead

[@Mina-os3dl]

I’m gonna list some things I hate too 1. Some pjsekai fans tend to spread a lot of misinformation and not even try to inform themselves, like claiming Miku is from the game and that songs like Remote control is from the game. 2. THE WHOLE RABBIT HOLE SITUATION. NEED I SAY MORE?? 3. Not 100% sure if this has happened but I’ve heard it mentioned, new fans sending death threats to creators for making dark songs. 4. How hateful the fandom has become, maybe I was just too young to notice before but I feel like ever since late 2020-now everyone has become so toxic. It’s like all the bad things we heard about for example the genshin and dmsp fandom is getting fkn bluetoothed over to us. 5. The ship culture, people will kill you for liking “the wrong one” and use the p*do card on anything related to Miku cause “she’s 16”. 6. The slow disappearance of the crazy Len stans, watching their madness was fkn hilarious. I mean it’s probably a good thing but people are getting serious now and I never see the absolute abominations people created before. 7. THE WAY PJSEKAI ABSOLUTELY BUTCHERED EVERY VOICEBANK IN THEIR COVERS I HATE IT SO MUCH I QUIT THE GAME. IT GIVES PEOPLE HORRIBLE IMPRESSIONS OF THEM. 8. The fkn elitism seen in pjsk with the people playing the Japanese version acting like they rule the world, being super rude and gatekeeping towards other players. 9. People going crazy about songs with sensitive topics like it doesn’t exist in every other genre and it’s not the creators responsibility to please you. Thanks for listening to my rant💀

[@HydraProducer]

I miss the crazy len stans so much, fortunately I have a crazy len stan friend

[@gemiqueen0]

real those crazy len stans were cringe but hilarious. now its crazy kaito stans 💀

[@HydraProducer]

@@gemiqueen0 Not as funny, they are too crazy (I'm one of them, but I'm a long time KAITO stan)

[@lobotomy4zombii]

I’m crying I was playing a game where I had a rui outfit and everyone was like “who is that” then I brought up making a hatsune miku outfit and suddenly everyone came up to me like “OMG YOU LIKE VOCALOID AND PJSK?? SAME!!!” 😭

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

The problem stems from the new fans. Coming from an old head, we did t have these problems until project sekai and it’s fans came around with all these new people in the community. The crowd That’s been in this Gannon for awhile don’t do this stuff, it’s the new kids

[@CloudyLionHeart]

I miss those MMD shitposts sooo much 😫 they were so funny but no one makes them anymore and that’s truly a tragedy

[@miraclepainting]

Watching ship wars from afar knowing I don't ship literally any characters 🧍🏻‍♀️

[@rin5060]

ı HATE HATE H A T E ppl that force their headcanon of rin and len being twins down ur throat like its spesifically said that they are mirrored images of eachother if ppl wanna ship them its fine like u wont die i dont even ship them but my god we used to have freedom in this community

[@pochita-dvl]

i dont ship any vocaloids because the only canon ship is kaito x me ❤ (so real)

[@ness7349]

I hate it when someone makes a headcanon that goes against fanon and people in the comments will say “that’s not true, actually…”

[@chaus1ku]

Fr

[@P1nkG7ts]

1:04 same dude, teto will always be an utau to me. her synth v doesn't really feel like her tbh. same with gumi but you see synth teto sounds like teto if she became a professional who's accepted she's 30, while synth gumi sounds like a skinwalker most of the time.

[@miku]

crypton's pretty depressing nowadays. glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. :/

[@laraprower1112]

I remember when KaiMiku and Negitoro shippers used to fight with each other. Now you can't ship Miku with anyone other than Rin (or Len) because of the age differences (even though those same vocaloids have extremely sexual songs and their ages change depending on how you look at them). People these days wouldn't survive Spice or Plus Boy. Let people be happy, they're just voicebanks 😭

[@gemiqueen0]

someone got mad at me for shipping lenku bc len is '14' then said thats like shipping a junior with a freshman. Okay? They both in highschool and its 2 years. barely a difference in maturity like damn we can't do shit 💀

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

Old fan here, always shipped miku and Luka since magnet came out lol.

[@kittymations6509]

It genuinely makes my blood BOIL when people start disliking a vocaloid because of something problematic their company or voice provider did. ( *cough* YOHIOloid *cough* SeeU *cough cough* Aoki Lapis *COUGHHHH* ) like BRO IT'S A COMPUTER SOFTWARE THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THEIR CREATORS DID i understand shit like that happens, people fucked up but that doesn't mean the vocaloids associated with them deserve to be dragged down with them. i remember when Shiki Rowen was released it got a lot of negative feedback because apparently his vp is a perv or smth (idk the full story) but like, don't take it out on a virtual being whose personality is literally whatever you make it out to be 😭

[@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun]

Wait what happened with Lapis's company??

[@_Trillex_]

​@@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSunIirc, they made her and a couple other Vocaloids into NFTS.

[@IgirlbossedTooCloseToTheSun]

@@_Trillex_ darn 😮‍💨

[@happiness_showch]

Things i hate in the vocaloid fandom: tourists Headcanons: 👍👍 Fighting about which hc is more valid: 👎👎👎👎👎

[@ArteArt39]

"tourists"?? Yeah this is such an elite club we've got going on here, god forbid someone engage with it casually 💀

[@happiness_showch]

@@ArteArt39 hmm? I'm not sure you understand what it means. Tourists are thought of badly, you know, littering and not following the rules when they're in a new place, complaining about a culture different to theirs. Same with communities where bad people will come in with no genuine sense of wanting to enjoy anything and try to stir up trouble.

[@Kiki-VOCALOID09]

I became a fan only 4 years ago and I'm really obsessed with vocaloid am I a normie/tourist for not being into it for a long time

[@happiness_showch]

@@Kiki-VOCALOID09 Tourism has a negative connotation because often visitors will ruin different popular areas and don't actually care about the place they're at, just the feeling of being somewhere famous. Genuinely enjoying something and interacting with the community is not being a tourist, it's awesome when people discover any kind of medium and fall in love!!! When I say tourists in the vocaloid fandom, I mean those who have just discovered it and yet they're trying to tell others what they can and can't do, falsely correcting others, and simply showing no actual interest in vocaloid other than stirring up stuff. If you genuinely enjoy the music, synthesizers, and whatever then no, you're not!! I'm using tourist with the common negative sense of the word, not those new to a fandom ^^

[@ArteArt39]

@@happiness_showch ok i guess i just didn't know that term in relation to fandom sry. I think the fact that you put it next to "normies" threw me off, sets off online brainrot alarms

[@vulpiixfoxx]

I personally hate it when people credit certain vocaloid songs to a person who made a popular cover of said song. Like an example would probably be like “Miss Wanna Die by Jubyphonic” or “My R by Rachie” or like “Therefore You and Me by Eve” when it comes to jp covers. Im not saying I blame specifically the cover artists for this and I do think some of the covers are genuine bops but like…come on guys this is just a slight variation of crediting the vocaloid instead of the producer for a song. Edit: I’m also not saying you shouldn’t credit the cover artists, Im just saying credit to the original producer along aside the cover artist.

[@jrhamari]

Its especially frustuating in regards to the whole crediting vocaloids over the producer thing because wasnt that exact issue why Wowaka stopped making vocaloid songs prior to Unknown Mother Goose and.... his passing?

[@chaus1ku]

​@@jrhamariWowaka died?

[@jrhamari]

@@chaus1ku Yeah... He passed away back in 2019 due to heart failure if Im remembering correctly? Honestly, Unknown Mother Goose's lyrics hit even harder knowing that was one of if not I think the last song he made before passing away.

[@chaus1ku]

@@jrhamariWhat omg I never knew that :((

[@fillername6996]

EXACTLY- I swear if I see one more person claim miy_yuu wrote villain I might just lose my mind.

[@faenene]

I wish animated talkloids were still as popular as they used to be, I used to watch those on repeat lol

[@KagamineBrody]

I hate people forcing their PJSK or Vocaloid ships as well, it’s so annoying, I wanna ship what I wanna ship. (Yeah, I’m calling you out, RuiKasa and AkiToya shippers.)

[@Der_Deku]

People who for some reason keep clinging to the idea of Vocaloid being "dead" They've been saying it since like what? 2016? and they STILL say it now. Vocaloid hasn't gone and won't go anywhere.

[@Moonlightever_]

This video was so needed omg the voca community has been pissing me off TO NO END these past couple of years.

[@SykoMuffin]

Fun police have started appearing everywhere and it’s driving me crazy! It’s not just the vocaloid fandom! It seems like every fandom now has kids who will harass you because you’re not adhering to their personal headcanons. Not to sound like a boomer but I was around for the beginning of vocaloid’s popularity on the western side of the internet in the late 2000s and people loved to make songs about dark or taboo topics. Everyone had fun. If they didn’t like a song, they just ignored it and moved on. But new people joining are puritans and how DARE you make poor baby Miku sing a song about sex! Or alcohol!

[@kriss-m6x]

don`t kill me plz. Songs about how vocaloids love their master and how fans comment on songs with supportive, sad and so on lyrics "omg. I want to impregnant him"

[@Sateriasis_Venomania]

more related to evillious but those ppl who say sati is gakupo and refuse to use his name and just call him gakupo (or riliane - rin, allen/alexiel - len, banica - meiko, gallerian - kaito, nemesis - gumi, kayo - luka, margarita - miku etc.). thats like if you said jason dean is christian slater. i mean you're right but it's a character being played by an actor.

[@MiniEmber]

Honestly it's mainly from the pjsk collab. They don't realise that Miku, Rin, Kaito and Meiko are used for multiple characters.

[@RossCuth]

For me, I just got soo sick and tired of everything becoming some sort of drama within the fandom, especially on Twitter. It felt like highschool, and maybe it's me being in my late 20s, but I don't have the patience of care to read a Twitlonger about how this person is a horrible person, or how this song back from 2008 advocates for child abuse because of the themes it talks about. On top of developing a waning interest in voice synth stuff in general in favor of getting back into cars, it got to the point that around 2021/22 or something, I distanced myself away from the fandom. I still have my favourite singers and songs, and I look back fondly on many aspects when part of the fandom for around 10+ years, especially the friends I made. But yeah, there's too many aspects i'd rather not be a part of.

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

It’s the new kids that enter this fandom from playing project sekai and tik tok normies hearing songs on tik tok from trends

[@Sakuuura673]

4:09 Yes! I’m a new MMD user and solving those puzzles just for passwords sucks! It even worse when you are looking for a motion to download and the uploader never posted the free download for the public to used in over a year

[@Ratch.mp4]

Why does most people have to ship every vocaloid, I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say “Miku is a strong independent woman and doesn’t need anyone” lol

[@corndogonasticc]

I kinda wished pjsk implemented the old fandom's vocaloid headcanon over the new pjsk ones. Like it doesn't even have to be kaito always being a crackhead or something. He can still be this prince charming while still being a crackhead. This goes with len and rin with their odd association with road rollers and much more. I can understand how some of them are way too inappropriate to be added though a small hint in the dialouge or easter egg would have been nice.

[@lilythesilly]

the thing a lot of people don't seem to get about the cryptonloids in project sekai is that they're not meant to be the "canon" characters, but rather alternate versions of them. the miku in project sekai that looks like the miku on the voice banks' box art has basically no personality. the other mikus have personality because they're "miku" in the same way a specific song's miku is "miku". and some of them do have elements of popular headcanons! it's a pretty minor thing, but vivid bad squad's meiko mentions alcohol a few times and their kaito likes ice cream, for example. rin and len's relationship differs between the sekais, too: in my opinion leo/need's kagamines act like classmates/close friends/siblings, more more jump's kagamines act like friends/coworkers, vivid bad squad's kagamines act like siblings/singing partners, etc. the vocaloids' ages aren't mentioned (except, i believe, in one very early card story, and even then it's not 100% confirmed). btw this comment isn't meant to be a rebuttal against you in any way i'm just rambling lol

[@ItsEnaShinonomi]

All headcanons are valid till is one that you dont like + vbs kaito

[@lenanamon]

i don’t want to sound like an old vocaloid supremacist or act all high and mighty for being an old vocaloid fan BUT ITS NOT EASY

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

It’s the new fans causing all the problems to be honest. So I feel you l.

[@michylichy01]

I miss the MMD era, that was a big part of how i know internet 😢

[@biancasanchez9371]

I just hate the people that fight about ships and most of all the Miku fans 😭 like when i mean by that is when they dont even know the others or they say eh the others suck either way or they say this is miku song but its actually Lukas or so

[@lilbears]

No why is this so real 😭

[@allhana365]

Oh the ship fights, the worst part of every fandom I’ve ever been in 😭 And not all Miku fans are like that… I’m familiar with a good number of Vocaloids and I don’t think the others suck, Miku is just my favorite because I love her voice. Although if you’re going more general voice synths then Teto is actually my favorite.

[@biancasanchez9371]

​​​@@allhana365oh yeee Miku is amazing and of course she can be your favorite! But I'm just saying that I really get upset when for example there's miku fans that say let's here vocaloid and you say ok I'ma put Virgo by Luka and they say eh? Nahh put miku or they just say the others suck or omg miku song meltdown is amazing and I'm like um that's Rin's song.... But I understand what your saying:p

[@biancasanchez9371]

​@@lilbearsmaybe because the other vocaloids aren't getting as much love as miku. And mostly vocaloid fans in my school only know miku and they say Kaito meiko Luka Rin and Len suck or others like Flower and that 😭 also I really wish there were more merch with the others too I want Kaito so bad

[@bearygood2519]

I think one thing that bothers me alot is fandom culture aside, vocaloid is an instrument and there isnt one "sound" associated with vocaloid. I will say i have heard alot of unique sounds and experimentation outside of regular genres belonging to Vocaloid, but i get a lil peeved when people find producers who make more alternative songs and go HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO MESSED UP AND SCARY I CANT BELIEVE ITS MIKU AHH AHH. I feel like having that mindset limits the appreciation you might have for the fandom culture and for the art that comes out of it. (Its also worth mentioning how amazingly vocaloid not omly unites more independent producers but visual artists as well in collaborating with MVs and albums its honestly inspiring and amazing to see"

[@MiniEmber]

This also applies to more adult songs and unfortunately it's due to the newer fans that don't understand the community, tiktok users and pjsk that only care about songs in pjsk. They just don't realise that songs like that have existed for years before whatever song is trending came around

[@CatPCgaming]

I don't know how much of a hot take this is, but I'm so tired of people who claim that project sekai "ruined vocaloid" and talk about it like it's the worst thing to ever exist and about how everyone who likes it is somehow a horrible person just because the person talking about how allegedly bad the project sekai fandom is hasn't left the house in months and spends every free moment on social media. Probably a little harsh there, but I've literally never seen any of the bs some of these people talk about in my entire time in the project sekai community. Although I do tend to stick to only this one discord that's mostly chill, as well as my irl friends who also play the game. So maybe my constant avoidance of Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok has resulted in me not running into this side of the community. But I've honestly seen more people complaining about how horrible the ENTIRE community is than I have seen the people they're complaining about

[@catgod4484]

I've always liked len x miku len has just always been my favorite, but shit aint real . Just like the rest of these guys, you can make up pretty much whatever you want

[@baboomshoo]

Most newer fans are from pjsk so i basically hate everything about the fandoms

[@RandomNoob12346]

3:49 I believe KAITO is middle aged and no one will stop me

[@just_a_fxcking_angel]

I hate the fact that the current fandom simply only cares about the project sekai and doesn't give ANY visibility to Vocaloids other than Cryptonloids... "Oh, but, the pwoject sekwai saves the vocawoid fando-" NO! THEY DIDN'T!

[@avinacrusaid]

SO TRUE, like I'm glad to hear new songs coming out bc of this game(plus pj sekai encouraged me to return to vocaloid fandom), but I also hate seeing keyboard wars regarding canonicity of LITERAL SINGING ROBOTS like: "You cannot ship Mikuluka, but Miku is 16 and Luka is an adult🤓🤓🤓🤓" That's just an example tho, I'm not talking only about ships, it can also be said to ages, personalities, etc. There are other things I dislike about pjsekai fandom, but this thing pissed me out the most

[@MiniEmber]

Seen a lot that will bash non Cryptonloids and automatically say a cover is better because it doesn't use Flower, GUMI, KAFU ect

[@just_a_fxcking_angel]

@@avinacrusaid YEAAAAAAAAH, like why the fVck they care SO F*CKING MUCH about the ages? SHE'S A ROBOT! Obviously we don't wil ship childs and adults, like Kaii Yuki + Kiyoteru, but calm down guys, i'ts just a singer robot (sorry if have any error, i don't speak english, i'm a brazilian fan producer :D)

[@just_a_fxcking_angel]

@@MiniEmber Bro, they're a good voicebank, in my opinion, BETTER THEN F*CKING MIKU

[@MiniEmber]

@@just_a_fxcking_angel It all depends on tuning but I can agree it's better than Sega's NT tuning

[@karenrosero2288]

Hey fren, I also miss being a teenager and seeing fun MMD videos and just ppl having fun, this made me feel nostalgic and understood. Thank you, from one granny vocalover to another lol

[@JunniorStarLight]

Sis no cap you were serving in that 2015 photo, slay QUEEN

[@aksghazi868]

THANK YOU! 90% of the people who act grossed out by Rin and Len being shipped already know and already know and have been told that they're not siblings a thousand times. We all know, you don't need to remind us. At this point you're the one who should realize that it still grosses us out due to how their designs look.

[@aksghazi868]

So, the edit button on my device isn't working, so I'll reply to myself to say this. But I just got to that part, and as someone who headcanons Gumi as 15, I feel targeted.

[@MiniEmber]

Valid. As long as you don't bash people for shipping them.

[@Kyogaa_Kintsugi]

​@@aksghazi868 it's okay, really. It just can be weird to some people because of their designs, like how I think Kaito "being" 13 doesn't make sense because he looks like he's in his 20s or something. But people have different points of view and headcanons are still headcanons, y'know

[@nauseatingmilk2704]

Bro the amount of times I've seen rin/len shippers actually bash others for daring to ship rin or len with someone else has been higher than people saying it's incestuous, tbh. It probably comes from that frustration that makes ppl say it's yuck.

[@pepe5364]

@@Kyogaa_Kintsugi to be fair u can headcanon kaito as a 13 yr old and change his design since well, hes just a voicebank and u can make his voice higher and his design is only canon in diva, so idk cause ive listened to katio x len songs portraying them both the same age and its totally fine just like in rabbithole or sweet devil miku is older so yh

[@believer69420]

I'm a Vocaloid fan since 2007 to the point of having a small stand with Miku figures, ZhouSensor DIVA pro controller for Project DIVA, and a physical music collection. Never interacted with the fanbase. Never even heard about those shippings and relatives stuff before this video. Shout out to us gramps over 30 years old.

[@rosennacht7624]

@@believer69420 I envy y’all +30 fans cause you get to have the earlier Vocaloid merch lmao Some old prize figures are expensive now

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

Same, 31 and got in around 2008

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

@@rosennacht7624I got an 09 racing miku, the original love is war release and a few others. I have a Toni miku figure from the very first project diva as well