Things you may not know about your Land Rover driveshaft (or propshaft)

#Landrover #LandroverDiscovery #LR3
Ok, there are hundreds of videos about drive shafts out there... Is it possible that there is something all you experts can actually learn from me and Vera? Who knows but we give it a shot. We hope you enjoy this video and maybe even learn something you did not know before.
Yours, Vera and Christian ,
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[@robpeabo509]

“Rubbing on a cable in a Discovery is no good; it is already no good” lol. You guys are great! Vera is an absolute Angel!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks ❤️

[@dafyddhumphreys8921]

That was pure genius...as a physicist I was gripped.

[@pwatom22]

Excellent. The most comprehensive explanation I have seen of the design considerations and why you should buy an original Land Rover part. Thank you very much!

[@Flyboy1066]

Great video and presentation from over the pond ))))) 🇬🇧 Stay safe over there our German friends

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks, you stay safe too 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@deporbs]

Never knew driveshaft could be SO complicated, thank you.

[@AW-Services]

I love lectures with Dr Discovery. Christian doesn't gloat about trying to be right but he adds a great discussion point and explanation

[@stevelewis241]

Who knew a propshaft could be such fun 😉. I do like watching your content though, you're a good team.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thank you very much. We like doing them.

[@peternash6206]

Vera you are a star - you just keep on smiling and adding explanations!!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😊👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@Nigel-nar53]

Plunging joints! Who wouldn't want a plunging joint 😉 👍

[@Vera_and_Christian]

LOL. 😂

[@petersegeblad2345]

Thx for the lesson of good information. ❤️🇺🇦🇭🇷🇮🇱🇺🇦❤️

[@hunterranger107]

I am one of the engineers who put this propshaft into the T5/Discovery 3 , working with GKN. The single piece propshaft was considered but to achieve the same bending moments as the 2 piece design would have required a 5" or 127mm shaft. This was not possible with respect to packaging. The diaphragm which failed on your propshaft was specifically engineered again with refinement in mind and to isolate driving vibration from the vehicle structure. Both decisions contributed to Discovery 3's excellent refinement.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thank you for commenting on this video. I did not understand why GKN build a 2-piece propshaft with a CV joint on one end and a universal joint on the other end. This is quite unusual. The universal joint runs in a straight line in order to not cause any changes in velocity. I can only think of cost reduction for doing this. A GKN plunging CV joint costs much more than a simple universal joint. I fully understand that this application could not be solved within the given realestate with a single piece propshaft. Overall, I think the design is quite good. There are other high end SUVs with similar center bearing problems, such as the Porsche Cayenne, which uses a IFA-Rotorion product. Christian

[@hunterranger107]

@@Vera_and_Christian I remember now that another reason the single piece design could not succeed was because it would limit the vehicles break over angle or. It's ability to drive over a 'hump backed bridge'. For a LR product , one should not do anything that limited off road ability.

[@kevinmartin9432]

Excellent explanation of how the mechanics of a propshaft can contribute to NHV in a vehicle,

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks!

[@smx3798]

Thank you for explaining!!!! Fascinating that we can get a better explanation on how systems work from folks like you rather than the dealer. Shame on you dealers.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks, he just loves talking about stuff he is so passionate about. 🙋‍♀️👍 Vera

[@AllenManor]

Mechanical lectures spoken in a German accent have an authority that is unrivaled by any other nationality. All of us viewers around the world are just sitting nodding and quietly saying, "Yes, Herr Professor," accepting everything you say without question...

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Lol. Funny that you think this way, Allen. Thanks for your comment!

[@fj9460-lr]

I just love your mechanical, engineering explanations!!!

[@norbertjohn]

This is a great explanation why German engineers and their engineering is so good!

[@daz.j]

good video ... and wow that got technical

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks 😃🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@AlexStrugariu]

A really fascinating video for me, guys. As I don't have any technical training, almost all the info you shared here was new to me. Cheers!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

It's always great to hear that our information is usuful to someone. Thanks 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@chrisdunkley8055]

Absolute joy!! UK Driveshaft, US Propshaft.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍We know, Christian works in the automotive balancing industry and we spend almost 10 years living in the US. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@ZachBrimhall]

Awesome video. I mentioned on the last video that I also just replaced my drive shaft. I bought an OEM because of everything you just explained👍🏻 Very cool, well done. Also, your son is a chip off the old block! Congrats.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks. We appreciate your feedback a lot.

[@automotiveserviceexpert7356]

An engineer out of .engineers. great family

[@malcolmlane-ley2044]

Very interesting comparison regarding the weight but maybe the missing OEM solid rubber bush could equal 0.5 kg? Your LR has now truly been re-TUNED. I absolutely love your channel because of your personalities and also in many ways it mirrors my work on my SL320 which on most occasions gets new parts like suspension bushes and bearings before they fail to future proof the car and my driving fun.

[@TheDaf95xf]

Morning Guys. Hope you're both well 😄 It was like being in school today lol 😂 But how intriguing was that 👍🏻 We all want cheap and China are masters at giving us that without the quality we need 🙄 Vera is so cute 😍 x 😎🇬🇧

[@WaldosWorld]

I have to say: I learned a few things! Good timing, because it's almost time to make a custom driveshaft for my Cummins swapped GMC truck 🤠

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hello Waldo, looking forward to see a clip of that. 👍 Here in Germany, a Cummins Diesel is the engine in large construction machinery. 😳

[@jamesgibb9737]

This was fascinating. I learnt loads thank you! You are great at explaining things! The word you were looking for when describing playing a guitar was strumming. Keep the videos coming

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks 😃. Appreciate you telling us the word we were looking for is strumming. 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@Altblechschrauber]

Like usual Far, far far above the usual YT stuff on here! Great work!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks. We liked your tensioner video too.

[@Altblechschrauber]

@@Vera_and_Christian then you will maybe like my video today at 5pm CET a lot. :-). The exchange of the center bearing is something i was planning for filming at my car, but you will be probably faster and better at it. BUUUT I got an automatic gearbox, which opens oportunities for me again :D :P CU then, take care

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@Altblechschrauber I will be the first to watch your video!

[@drewbale]

Physics 101 on drive shafts you ever thought of lecturing in a university as you made this episode very interesting and full of laughter

[@Vera_and_Christian]

I think I could teach how not to do it. Thanks 👍

[@shenghu3532]

only German can talk to his wife about math's and physics, and his wife responded. great!

[@johnbowling6618]

Very funny, interesting and enjoyable 👏

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks John.

[@Tom-zy6ke]

I guess the problem with the potential 616gmm imbalance is that this load will be transferred to the axle flange , which will cause increased wear on those bearings requiring early (and probably very expensive) replacement. Since this is all caused by the shaft having up to 0.135 mm of "play" could you shim or sleeve the shaft so it is exactly centred on the axle flange before you bolt it in? It wont fix the 200gmm residual imbalance but it could make sure the 416gmm is reduced as far as possible? Love all your videos, you are an excellent teacher and love the fact that Vera allows you to test her, you make a great team and I wish you all the best.

[@OverlandTT]

I had exactly the same failures on my ‘04 Cayenne, this shaft looks near identical except the plunger. I got a Chinese special for £199 and a 5 year warranty. Mine has now been on over 2 years and still good. Best wishes to you both, Peter

[@markrigby9588]

Got this problem on my 6 year old 53000 mile Disco 4. New one going in in monday

[@horacesawyer2487]

What can some German Dude und deine Frauen tell us about drive shafts? A WHOLE HECK OFF A LOT !!! Very much grateful. Like the video. Good stuff. 2013 LR2 (US) shuddering badly on acceleration at highway speeds under load. Gets to established speed then perfectly smooth. Coasting, light aceleration, smooth. No noises! (Except low rumble of the shuddering vibrations) Light driving in parking lot no problems detected no noises, no grinding. Thinking some flex disc or coupling on drive shafts? Or should I try to test CV joints. Any experience from anywhere appreciated. Vielen Dank mein Freunde!

[@1699bridgetown]

You know this is really one of your best videos, speaking as a fan. I learnt so much! If I remember right, you fixed the worn bearing with a replacement and had the fun of taking the joint apart, or was that somebody else? Your video is a great way to explain why when you design something from first principles you understand why, but if you copy something, you don’t have a clue. Keep up the good work.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃👍Thanks 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@adam.james958]

So informative. Always learning from you guys.

[@naturemixmv7667]

This is my favorite LR Time video. Interesting, funny. I love the bells and buzzers when Vera's talking, and Robin's craftsmanship is really cool. Is his stuff for sale?.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hello Rob, appreciate your comment. This was actually a difficult video even if the video footage was non technical and all at one spot. I got 3 hours of content and had to cut lots of it out and still resulted in a +20 min video. I also covered various joint types and shaft typs but found that it will not be interesting for most viewers.

[@michaeldallimore8590]

Just found this one. Very interesting, many thanks for making this video.

[@SiCrewe]

Gives me the heeby-jeebies seeing a propshaft with a UJ at ONE end. I was under the impression that UJs need to articulate in order to avoid continuously applying force to one point in each of the pivots, eventually squeezing any grease away from that point and causing wear. Conversely, when a UJ articulates the force is applied to a different point in each pivot as the propshaft spins, which squeezes the grease around inside the pivot and ensures every part of the pivot is lubricated. Having said that, if your OEM propshaft lasted 220,000km with no wear to the UJ, I guess wear on the UJ wasn't a problem. Nice to know LR CAN make reliable UJs after all. On the last Defender I had, the service manual said the propshaft should be greased every 1,000 miles (!) and, since I was travelling 700 miles every week it meant that I had to get underneath the vehicle and grease the propshafts EVERY weekend... which wasn't fun.

[@fester.]

think vera might be a bit bored,good vid i enjoyed it,thanks

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😂🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@andrewdavies2975]

Great I formation and facts especially about the wait factor of the drive shaft.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

I am glad you liked the video 👍.🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@krisschober-rowe]

excited over prop-shafts, my kind of friend - great video!!!!!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃 Thanks 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@FrenchFarmhouseDiaries]

we love watching you guys we run a disco 3 as well but you can always rely on z Germans to go all scientific keep up the great vids thank you

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Yes, thanks. We got to make things complicated. It’s in our genes over here.

[@billytremoloband7456]

LR TIME Germans sound a bit like Us Irish except as they say give a German a simple thing and he will manage to over complicate it but give a Paddy a simple job and he will make a balls of it 😜

[@theobien5399]

Awesome explanation, you’ve missed your goal in life, you should become a teacher. German engineering at it’s best. Special thanks to Vera with her female explanation about the feelings and the rubbing, Things very important to both man, women and driveshafts. Can’t wait for the next one. Love you guys

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks for your comment on Christians part 👍💪. I am driving a Freelander, it feels like driving a Tractor compared to the Disco, so I am used to a lot of driving noise 😂. But I am actually very sensitive to unusual noises or vibrations. Sometimes, Christian has to take the car on a short test drive when it feels off to me 😄.🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@hutrv]

Are you serious, no way anyone could do a 26min driveshaft vid..... 26min later..... WOW 😮 how interesting!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😂. Glad you liked it. Thanks for your comment 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@dougwernham5209]

Very interesting and helpful thank you.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Glad you liked it. Thanks.

[@caryknapton7233]

Great explanation Guys, thouraghly enjoyed the video! Guess you must have worked in the automotive sector with that detailed explanation 🙄

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks. Yes, I work for a machine tool manufacturer and had to do with drive shafts for a while.

[@MTeague1963]

Brilliant, thank you

[@stusmith1074]

Great video it's good that your good lady is keen to learn. You must like the Landrover Discovery, I have 2 Defender 110's and 3 Unimogs. Love your tidy workshop 👍🏼

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hello Stuart, 3 Unimogs, wow 👍. Thanks for your comment 😊. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@rikkiesix]

A other great video. I had a great time watching and learning this stuff Greetings from Belgium Erik

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks Erik. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@amazoniaamazonia7225]

Interesting video, the after market driveshaft we fitted had a grease nipple on the bearing.

[@bugjuicer]

I hope I never had to replace mine, but I love the vids and content you make! Shame the centre bearing just can't be replaced, so you can keep the OE shaft..

[@andicog]

It can, www.lrparts.net/da2395-discovery-3-and-discovery-4-centre-propshaft-bearing-for-rear-prop-tvb500360-aftermarket-and-gkn-availabile.html

[@bugjuicer]

@@andicog so why not go for this, and service the joints?

[@andicog]

@@bugjuicer not sure? Would make more sense to keep the GKN shaft and replace the bearing, maybe it was a time issue?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@andicog @bugjuicer We are for sure going to try to fix the propshaft. Christian is not going to let that one go 😄🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@chrisoverson]

Oh dear. My local garage recently changed our prop shaft and can't even tell us what brand it is. Maybe I should go down there and ask them all about their plunging joints and g/mm of unbalance. Fortunately, can't feel anything in the car so probably ok :D. Another great video, love watching you guys.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks 😃. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@gooddad1975]

You are now professor land rover

[@Vera_and_Christian]

That is going to be on our sticker one day 👍😃. Thanks 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@stevecobb4]

One of the most common failures on the disco 3. Easily noticeable though you do not need to take the heat shield off to see it.

[@Hidegety1]

I follow a channel where 1 older irish pair documents their things - for multiple reasons. I was 1 day caught by surprise when the man of that pair displayed unexpected drumming skills. Similar feeling to when observing cheetah to stop chase down his prey in order to train the little waltz he memorized yesterday. Same here - I am really taken by surprise by what you are revealing here, Christian. I know you are car engineer (or designer or...). Still - all these awesome details were surprising. And very well explained. +1.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

He is actually a balancing expert, world wide, for probshafts, driveshafts, axles and almost everything that rotates in a vehicle. So that topic was right up his alley. 😅👍🙋‍♀️Vera

[@Hidegety1]

@@Vera_and_Christian I see... He tricked me ;) But srsly - impressive.

[@davidf.8497]

You both rock! Vera is so patient and sweet and you master it all. Great to learn and know more things about our Lands and keep away from those chinese stuff. Keep it up!

[@jamesray3920]

Land Rover L319 LR3/4, L319 Discovery3/4, L320 Range Rover Sport Driveshaft Center Support Bearing Carrier Upgrade Nice upgrade without buying new drive line much cheaper than buy new drive line

[@jamesray3920]

Nice video but you can just buy a center hanger bearing replacement and keep your oem drive shaft its a easy process if you have some tools my transmission just got rebuilt shop found my center hanger bearing or rubber holding on the bearing worn out he bought a surf drive shaft with good center hanger bearing, I wished he called me b4 replacing it replacing center hanger bearing very easy. Job

[@mikebaz7843]

some Australian Ford Falcons had aluminium tailshafts (as we call 'em) and were speed limited to 180kph, otherwise they have a tendency to explode catastrophically

[@martinbradshaw692]

Never realised how the operation of a prop shaft could help the long winter nights just fly by😀

[@Vera_and_Christian]

You are very welcome😂😂👍.🙋‍♀️. Vera

[@mikezurawski]

Outstanding.. Thanks for the great info!

[@Landybandy1]

Wow you two just amaze me. Love watching your uploads. Thank you

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks, love to hear that you like our videos. 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@overlanding4less419]

Very interesting explanation - thank you!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thanks . 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@landrover3596]

Would a shaky or wobbly steering wheel at 50 miles hr mean that the front prop shaft is bad? Any help would be appreciated 🇬🇧

[@kenbrown102]

Ahh the dreaded “death wobble” many many videos on this subject. Mostly on Jeep’s, but even my 2004 Chevy truck is developing this. Many front end parts can wear out causing this. Best of luck

[@lesliethompson1546]

Think my other car has a carbon fibre driveshaft. You have a lot of knowledge thanks for sharing. Is this your profession design engineering ?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Carbon fiber is rare. Never came across one. I work in the automotive machine tool industry. Thanks.

[@adelal-rawashdeh1050]

Hello sir I'm Adel from Jordan (Middle East ).. could you right all what you explained about driveshaft in these video to be able shown under the screen ..because I want to write it to note book and check all your lesson's by back to my book in mathematics' and physics I have some degree in communication's .. when you talking about resonant frequency I know these what mean .. thank you sir .

[@rokimautomotive]

Excellent! Why do you not attempt to fix the old one?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

On our prop shaft, the boot could not be taken appart without causing damage. You see it in the video. And that boot cannot be purchased as a spare part, unfortunately. Others have taken it off, but we also do not believe that you get it to seal properly again. However, Christian is a propshaft specialist, working closely with the manufacturer. We are not done with that shaft, but somehow so many projects keep coming up that we haven't had the time to adress the shaft again. Our cheap Chinese shaft has holding up for almost two years now. 👍💪🙋‍♀️Vera

[@garyjones9384]

Hi I think you do a great informative presentation on KZbin, I am interested in the Chinese prop shaft you bought and fitted , is it still working ok with no issues and if so could you please give me a link and part number to the site you bought it from . Kind regards Gary

[@Doktorvollcrass]

Danke für das Video... Du bist woh ein Fachmann für die Kardanwellenfertigung 😁 Bei mir ist nun auch das Mittellager auch defekt. Ich wollte erst eine Kardanwelle aus dem Zubehör kaufen. Nun habe ich die OEM gekauft - da ich mehr sicherheit haben wollte. Allerdings bin ich unsicher ob diese auch tatsächlich immer noch sehr gut ist. Du hast erwähnt, die wird nun auch nicht mehr in England gefertig - sondern in Polen. Hoffentlich taugt das weiterhin... Ich werde diese nächste Woche einbauen, dann weiß ich mehr...

[@Vera_and_Christian]

👌👍Wirf die alte aber nicht weg. Wir haben unsere OEM vor kurzem mit einem neuen Lager versehen und wieder eingebaut.🙋‍♀️

[@Doktorvollcrass]

@@Vera_and_Christian Ja, das habe ich gesehen. Sagt mal bescheid ob der Kleber für die Kappe hält 😊 Ich überlege ein Presswerkzeug zu fräsen, damit man die Kappe wieder verpressen kann... Müsste eigentlich gehen... Wenn ich die alte in der Hand habe, überlege ich mir was 🤗

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@Doktorvollcrass 👍Das verpressen ist der ausschlaggebende Schritt ob die Sache hält, nicht der Kleber. Unsere Methode hat soweit gehalten und werden das wahrscheinlich in einem Video demnächst zeigen. 🙋‍♀

[@billytremoloband7456]

Great video as per usual, had the pleasure of replacing the Center bearing on my friends ‘05 RR sport last week, bit of a pain in the ass but very doable. Also had the pleasure of replacing rear ball joints, removing the body and replacing turbo while the body is off .....! 😬 great fun though as ye could imagine due all the LR repair adventure ye have ...!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

We couldn't change the center bearing unfortunately, that boot did not come off, at all. When we have more time, we will give it another try. 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@billytremoloband7456]

LR TIME The cv booth is removable but it is a schmerzen im arsch , you have to chisel off the old booth carefully and then with a round ended chisel tap it back into the grove , it’s very similar to putting an inner cv booth on an old Peugeot or Renault.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@billytremoloband7456 We have of tried to remove it. Christian is very capable and even works closely with propshaft manufacturers. I think he knows what he is doing. We were not willing to destroy a 1000€ shaft just for KZbin entertainment, we are not sponsored by anyone 😉, or even earn money worth talking about with youtube. But like I wrote there will be more to come. 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@billytremoloband7456]

LR TIME Totally understand not wanting to possibly destroy a 1000€ shaft ...! With the Lr stuff sometimes you have to be a bit rough and ready though 😬 to take things apart....! To be honest I’m very impressed with the work he is doing on the landys ! This is coming from someone 23 years Working as a mechanic and spend a few years in a JLR dealership! To be honest I would run a mile from a lot of the tasks ye have takin on and completed successfully! Ye are LR legends in my opinion! Keep the great work!

[@Vera_and_Christian]

@@billytremoloband7456 Thank you, that is a great compliment. And we do certainly appreciate the interaction with professionals. 😃👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@superantew]

I'm having huge vibrations due to faulty rear propshaft, wich brand would u choose from between ? Eurodriveline NTY GSP Thanks for ur videos and advice

[@stevenmoran4060]

Just buy a centre bearing and fit it to the original shaft. That way you have a spare prop shaft and the bearing in UK is around £38 only.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

We are for sure going to try to fix the old propshaft. 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@twig3288]

Could you replace just the centre bearing?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

We can, and a mechanic who has the right tools and knows what needs to be done to get it back to seal up again, also. 👍👌🙋‍♀️

[@precisionairgunninghunting6265]

Awesome as always. Question. Why did you not just replace the bearing or easier use a two piece rubber mount that can be put on without removing prop. As you found out, the actual bearing & UJs were all good. I ask as my rubber has a small split so looking to do shortly.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

The protective rubber boot of the center joint is not available separately as a spare and it’s not possible to remove the boot without damage. Christian

[@precisionairgunninghunting6265]

@@Vera_and_Christian take a look at Darkside Developments, very interesting find although OUCH 🤣

[@subdude2013]

Christian a quick question if I may, why not just replace the center bearing (LR037028 from RockAuto in not so USA). love the channel cheers Paul Victoria BC

[@Vera_and_Christian]

The CV joint seal kit is not available as a spare. All solutions I saw leak. The whole shaft was less than 150 Euro. Christian

[@ricks5215]

Great info 👍

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😃 Thanks. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@stuarth43]

i build alu yachts, the price of marine grade plate is 5 to 7000 tonne, it is now cheaper that steel

[@NathanNostaw]

I was really hoping you were going to introduce the other bearing on the bench as a retro fit on the OEM shaft.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

I could not find a new boot for the center CV joint. Once I find it, I’ll fix the OEM shaft and install it. Thanks.

[@NathanNostaw]

@@Vera_and_Christian is that bearing on the bench a possible repair part? Ive had thoughts of having the center bearing rubber recast with polyethylene.

[@toddhoffmaster6057]

Looks like you are gaining 100 subscribers a week to your channel.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Thankfully, it is so much work. 👍😃🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@swansong007]

Christian showboating a bit (alot)

[@chriscurrie5597]

So it's not true,,, I always was told Germans had no sense of humour...... Vera is naturally funny.. 😁

[@tam1381]

Just replace the centre mounting .

[@brunosanu]

Hello. Without the Rubber didnt the car whable? Mine is making whable and i think its propshaft but if you say that you didnt notice the missing Rubber i am Lost. Best regards

[@Vera_and_Christian]

We did not not notice any vibration. Just a bit of a clonking during shift but hard to associate it to the bearing. It Maybe different on a automatic. Christian

[@bobswainston5077]

Thanks for great informative video, but,why,why do they put the flimsy rubber suspension at the joint? They all fail, ruins the longevity of the prop shaft, I replaced mine for £39, still ok after one year. Thanks again you two

[@Vera_and_Christian]

That's is great, we unfortunately have not figuered out yet how to get the center bearing off the driveshaft without damaging the shaft. 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@Singleentity101]

Very interesting video thank you both, particularly for someone like me who has just replaced my rear prop with an aftermarket part on my beloved disco 4. However, would it be fair to say that you focus on the worst case scenario here? As you say, comfort depends on misalignment of the rotating mass, and it depends on the vector multiplication of the cumulative imbalance including both mounting points. The offset you measured for the mounting to the differential should probably be /2, same for the transfer box since you assume maximum possible misalignment currently, and you are assuming oem is perfect and comparing to it as if it were a perfect part, which is not really true. I admit, i have vested interest in this being the case!! 😅 But would that be fair to say? Thanks

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Christian is a renowned balancing specialist working with all the big companies in this business, worldwide. He has forgotten more about balancing than most will ever know. 😅👍 We installed a aftermarket probshaft due to limited and unreasonable expensive OEM parts during Covid 19 lockdown, when this happened. Christian also works with the OEM supplier for this propshaft. The aftermarket did not last long and we have installed the original OEM back, and just replaced the center bearing. We may reveal how did that in the future. But it was the only choice we had back then.👍🙋‍♀️

[@Singleentity101]

@@Vera_and_Christian, no doubt about it, thanks for the reply! All the best. :)

[@bretsandberg6604]

Do you know about front prop shaft replacment??

[@Vera_and_Christian]

No, we only replaced the rear propshaft because of the center bearing, the shaft itself, front and rear are just fine.🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@MikeSoMoney]

I hear German accent, I believe any engineering points they tell me !!!

[@10beerman]

You guys are so funny when you start to "bicker" like an old married couple.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😂😳😂 thanks.

[@vickanic]

Do you have the link for the part??

[@Vera_and_Christian]

No unfortunately not. We got it off ebay. 🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@josephp5058]

By the way l think Vera is a Wonder Woman

[@Vera_and_Christian]

😊👍😂 🙋‍♀️Vera

[@MorningNapalm]

Probably I am being naïve, but isn't there a way to shim the loose end?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

No, we truley believe you will not get it sealed again. Not with the damage you are causing while it taking it apart. 👍🙋‍♀️Vera

[@MorningNapalm]

@@Vera_and_Christian I meant the 0,25mm looseness on the one end of the prop shaft, if it was possible to shim it somehow (without taking it apart). Like the high-tech equivalent of wrapping it with silver foil around the edge :D This would position it closer to the middle, but I am not sure how it would be done.

[@DavidMSA]

Thank you for this nice explaining video. Where did you got that Chinese shaft from?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Got it from eBay. Easy to find with the OEM number. Thanks David.

[@VaderWhoop]

Is it cheap and possible to have this out of specification size issue corrected with weld and lathe turning / cutting? I suppose the answer relies on the item purchase cost difference, plus the engineering fee to bead weld and turn down to the correct size / fit; plus availability of this engineering work locally.

[@Vera_and_Christian]

We've got a comment from someone who tack welded it, so I suppose that is one way of dealing with the boot. 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@tonihuguet3458]

Hello again. At the end, how you correct the offset of the center lines?? Thanks

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Well, could not correct it. It has a potential runout because of the poor fit.

[@toddhoffmaster6057]

Would it be possible to just pull the u joints and swap out the original flange of the LR and install it on the Chinese driveshaft?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

The u-joint has a different size cross and it is crimped in place. I still have the GKN shaft and when I visit their plant next time (from work) then I will ask to get a new boot and center bearing. Christian

[@toddhoffmaster6057]

@@Vera_and_Christian oh ok. It did look larger than the stock one in the video.

[@mybigfrog1]

Vera is so sweet. So nice to see her loughing. Could you make a video with Vera only? For ex. walking around in nice lingery or a short skirt. Would be so nice to see more of her..

[@lauriekee10]

Hi Christian and Vera, just a quick question why not just replace the center bearing for £25?? Great explanation of drive shafts

[@Vera_and_Christian]

It is not an easy fix. You have to get the center bearing out of the propshaft, and that is the problem we were having. The protective boot that is crimped over the joint will get damaged during removal. On our propshaft, that boot sits tight and did not move a bit at all. So we believe if we apply more force, it will get damaged and not seal tight anymore after we put the propshaft back together. That particular boot should be offered as a spare part with the center bearing. We know other people have replaced just the center bearing, but they probably did not have any problems removing the boot in the first place. 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@lauriekee10]

@@Vera_and_Christian thanks Vera, that makes perfect sense!

[@danhayes3546]

👍

[@Vera_and_Christian]

🙋‍♀️😃 Vera

[@grahameroberts8109]

If British vehicles were to have a non-steel drive shaft it would be made of aluminium not aluminum and could run on gas; i.e. lpg but more likely on petrol or diesel. 🤓 👍🏻🙏🏽🙏🏽😷😷🦘🦘

[@josephp5058]

Hi l have been following the pair of you since day 1 - l have a Disco 3 where did you buy your prop shaft? Although English l live in France since Brexit buying parts from the U.K. for my LR has now become just so expensive - lm getting a serious short judder when trying to climb up my steep drive lm really hoping it’s not torque converter or a diff - car runs perfect on the straight - lm hoping it’s the prop shaft joints car has been well serviced regular and gearbox flushed at 140k miles

[@Vera_and_Christian]

When the parts are too expensive, then we don't buy OEM. That is just the way it is with a car that breaks regularely. That is what we try to show with our videos, that you can drive this car without it becoming a money pit. We also do not have a GAP tool, 600€ is just too expensive. I hope you find your source of judder 👍🙋‍♀️ Vera

[@kiterenrico3994]

Ihr macht wirklich super Videos Kompliment allerdings hätte ich mir einige auf Deutsch gewünscht da die meisten Videos über den LR 3 eh schon Englisch sprachig sind und es nur sehr wenig deutschsprachig gibt ansonsten echt super eure Videos Wo habt ihr denn die Kardanwelle bestellt ?

[@Vera_and_Christian]

Hallo Enrico, leider haben wir nur knappe 7% der Zuschauer im deutschsprachigen Raum. Die meisten kommen aus England, Australien, Süd-Afrika und den USA. Wir haben so schon recht wenige Zuschauer, in deutsch würde die Zuschauerzahl dann wahrscheinlich unter 500 sinken. Da rentiert sich der ganze Aufwand leider nicht. Der Aufwand mit Dreh und Schnitt und Kommunikation ist enorm, bis zu 20 Stunden pro Video. Christian arbeitet auch Vollzeit mit bis zu 50 Stunden. Der KZbin Algorythmus vergibt leider auch keine Abweichungen vom Konzept. Ein Video auf Deutsch und wir werden leider nicht mehr vorgeschlagen. Aber du kannst uns gerne per Email kontaktieren, wir sind gerne bereit zu helfen wenn es uns möglich ist. Übrigens, die Gelenkwelle war von Ebay. Viele Grüße Vera

[@kiterenrico3994]

@@Vera_and_Christian vielen dank für die schnelle Antwort, natürlich habe ich dafür Verständnis und muss gestehen das ich das nicht gedacht hätte! Macht weiter so , ihr beide seid ein super Team und es macht Spaß euch zuzuschauen 😊 Danke für das Angebot, ich werde sicherlich nochmal darauf zurückkommen