Thinking of adopting AMD's AM5 CPU? Watch this first!

[@Eremon1]

I appreciate the early adopters. They subsidize the R&D costs by paying the higher prices and essentially troubleshooting the new hardware. Then the price goes down and stability goes up which is good for everyone else that waited.

[@First-Name_Last-Name]

Pioneers in the Digital Oregon Trail. Some may reach their destination. Some may die of Digital Dysentery. But heroes, all of them.

[@Eremon1]

@@First-Name_Last-Name 🤣 All were great adventurers...until they took that arrow to the knee.

[@NinjaContravaniaManX]

It's cool if you're rich, but I won't make the same mistake again of spending a small furtone for new tech and then being stuck on a buggy platform for years. Never again *cough* X99 *cough*

[@venividivici4253]

I adopted Intel 12th gen and DDR5 when it first came out :) A BIOS update helped the issues I had.

[@Domspun]

@Luke Van den Akker We love you!

[@TheHorrorGuru]

Right now I'm definitely more likely to upgrade my 3700x to a 5900x than to completely build a new computer as I would have to if I waited for their next series. It just makes more financial sense for me, plus I'd rather wait until they've refined the new one before I adopt it.

[@pietrmuffei8874]

Hold of until everyone panic sells to move to AM5. Cheap second hand market

[@thereddog223]

think I will keep my 3700x for a little longer

[@MRacer001]

It might be worth giving the 5800x3D a look in your case, the review embargo is out today and it looks pretty good from the couple I've glanced at

[@liaminwales]

I am in the same boat, my 3700X is still fine but now the 5900X is going on sale a lot It may be my last AM4 CPU.

[@shorty808100]

Ya the 5900X should be good for about 5 years of AAA gaming at least and you can always get the 5950X and get another year or two like me

[@PrairieDad]

I built my AM5 setup last week. It's the first PC I've ever built and replaced my Dell with a 6th-gen Core i7. I waited until the prices were cut on a lot of components and am running a used gpu. It's working pretty well.

[@NeroZenith]

I appreciate you in testing am5 out, it's new and shaking in my eyes. I do want to upgrade past am4 at some point but I want to wait until its stable. I'm fine with my 5800x3d and 6750xt for now but I know it wont cut it in the next two years

[@mmcgear4376]

i just bought a am5 cpu and mobo. should i download chipsets and bios first before upgrading? or it is not necessary and out of the box installation is safe and recommended?

[@crispyhanako]

I've been putting off upgrading with the excuse of "Oh, I'll do it when my rig is 10 years old". My 3770k has served me well but I think I should have done more incremental improvements. Sure, my 770 died but EVGA upgraded me to a 970 when I was just outside of the warranty period. I've added another 8GB of RAM and several drives as well. I've been waiting for AM5 and DDR5 and I'm going to stick to my guns and upgrade once AM5 and the next round of cards drop.

[@quasistellar]

I've got a 4790k myself that I'd love to upgrade. Gonna wait and see what AM5 brings then pull the trigger then (either intel or AMD depending).

[@Kridian01]

12 years of gravy. Same boat.

[@jouniosmala9921]

I went from i7 920 to 3900x. And without corona, I would have waited for AM5. Should have upgraded earlier, but at first, I wanted to double my core count on a consumer platform as a minimum upgrade. Then AVX-512 with 10nm was just around the corner and I could use classroom computers instead of a home computer. It's absolutely insane how much faster the computer is at everything. The most important single-threaded task was triple the speed. (Code compilation is a single-threaded task if code modification affects only a single file.) (12 cores was that I wanted to replace playing with AVX-512 to playing with making multithreading more scalable)

[@zaxmaxlax]

4 core 8 threads is still fine but definitely old at this point.

[@choogheem]

only a 3770k? Q9550 here

[@JarrodsTech]

I'm still dealing with gen 1 Threadripper issues, my next upgrade will probably be a generation old rather than getting bleeding edge just because of how over I am of these sorts of random stability issues.

[@darylscott6372]

I'm still being haunted by x570 USB dropouts

[@edmac1090]

Can you give an example of your issues? Or point me to where you’ve discussed your issues before?

[@Vernas_R]

@Surly Sam Only issues I've had with AMD was the lack of software which Nvidia had and an odd issue where some media + game = a stuttering system, but then again, that's an ASUS' AMD driver (on a laptop).

[@Vernas_R]

To be fair however, how much of AMD's buyers own a threadripper compared to a 1600?

[@NVMDSTEvil]

@@Vernas_R I do

[@vento2175]

i'll always get the last stable gen for discount used, when everyone runs for the newest not stable stuff... works great since decades and never missed out any performance i needed. It's all about timing and beeing realistic to yourself :D

[@dpwellman]

Same. Its really the best bang for the buck. And GPU often two generations back... I'll be rocking the RX 580 8GB for a bit longer for sure.

[@iron_x2]

i agree, it's SO easy to look at graphs of what's the best currently... but realistically, it's absolute overkill. i recently got ahold of a 2070super, and even though its an older card, its still a bit much for my usage atm. i'm sure using top spec hardware is nice, but for me it'd be a waste of money.

[@prdx8543]

Yeah... My AM4 has served me well for these 5 years, and I see no immediate need to upgrade to AM5 anytime soon. Planning to get 5800X3D for the last hurrah about next year, but will wait before adopting AM5. But that also depends on what AM5 bring into the table. If they can do 5 yrs of AM5 like AM4 did, I am sold.

[@nickgames1892]

Arent there also rumors of aa 5900x3d?

[@fynkozari9271]

I built my Ryzen 1700 PC 5 months after release, so pretty much a beta tester and thank GOD didnt have any trouble. I would build another pc but not AM4, because thats hardly an upgrade.

[@Danielxt34]

Same here. Its not worth it to change this year, maybe the next the prices are significantly low.

[@xythiera7255]

AM5 has only 3y support . So you basicly wait for AM6 then

[@prdx8543]

@@xythiera7255 well, they promised the same for AM4. And look, AM4 has been 5 years long, and is still here for another year or two.

[@mbp1646]

Have AMD given any commitments on longevity for the AM5 platform. That was a big selling point for me when AM4 first came out and it kept me committed to the platform from Ryzen 1000 up to Ryzen 5000.

[@McobraR]

I believe they said they've committed to 5 years, so similar to AM4

[@andyruse4670]

I know this is a late response, but at least 2025 is what they’re advertising now. So who knows. That’s about as long as intel seems to support a platform. 3-4 years per socket.

[@mbp1646]

@@andyruse4670 3 years is bit short but 4 years would be great. I am sure I am not the only one who likes to do a major upgrade every 4 to five years but still enjoys being able to make incremental upgrades in between times.

[@xythiera7255]

@@McobraR No AM5 is only 3y support

[@McobraR]

@@xythiera7255 i commented that a month ago BEFORE their latest conference, and they did say their plan was to support AM5 for 5 years. They have now backtracked to say they will support it through 2025.

[@ForlebTF]

I think second generation AM5 will be the most enticing release. If launched on a normal time scale, it should land in the beginning of true maturity for DDR5, PCIe 5.0 and ATX 3.0, so the incentive to build a brand new rig will get boosted heavily by all the new compatibility specs.

[@Angel7black]

I agree. I dont think zen 4 will offer most people anything but high prices for something that vs intel is only better for gaming at most( funny how that flipped on its head. Chances are it still will only really be competive with raptor lake in terms of how much it wins in gaming vs dominating, and i dont see AMD lowering prices at all especially with moving to DDR5 and pcie 5.0. Theyre refusing the up the core counts so that says everything. That said core counts are said to go up with zen 5 in leaks and i think theres a chance they go to big.little core design on that one too, and big little+3D vcache sounds like it could be insane as hell. The way i see it is intel and amd(so long as neither falls into stagnation which intel was doing and imo AMD is currently doing) are just gonna be trading gens where one is the go to followed by the other being the go to. I think Zen 5 will be it

[@antiwokehuman]

The core counts will also most likely double. It also seems like a massive architectural improvement. Time will tell

[@clansome]

@@antiwokehuman There will be a steep increase in price on a tier to tier basis, that much has already breen forecast by Su and motherboard makers will want more ofor hanging on to AM4 for so long. AM5 will not come cheap.

[@antiwokehuman]

@@clansome i was talking about zen5

[@Chris-hw4mq]

Its like Jay got sponsored by Intel to shit on AM5

[@mdavid2822]

I like adopting new platforms in the second half of their life. I switched to AM4 from AM3 in early 2020, I wanted to make sure the platform was stable but also had upgrade potential. The Goldilocks rule seems to apply in this case.

[@brettanderson6743]

You are possibly the most patient person on the internet if you waited that long.😄

[@randomdude7386]

@@brettanderson6743 life hack: make sure to not have money until you reach the point you want to buy it

[@ogromeoscaletta1179]

@@brettanderson6743 i just went from an 8320 to a r5 5600x last week sooooo yeah...

[@Raymond-eo5gw]

@@ogromeoscaletta1179 I jumped on R5 1600X when it came out. Went from the Phenom X2 965 B.E. i think the difference was around 9 years between them. And I mainly did that because the 965 would not run FarCry5. Literally it wouldn't even start, didn't have the microcode for the game or w/e its called.

[@Korkonakios]

@@brettanderson6743 I did the same from 2600 straight to 5800x and B550. Financially you're breaking the bank by going step by step and always depends on your needs.

[@thund3rstruck]

Dude, I recently flashed my B450 motherboard and replaced my Ryzen 1600 CPU with a 5800X. Being able to upgrade my CPU like this without having to buy an entirely new system is just fantastic.

[@chieppachat9381]

I’m sure they will keep the am5 socket for some time. Am4 is going to die.

[@realtissaye]

@@chieppachat9381 new components don't make existing components any slower

[@Maronicam]

@@realtissaye Actually updating bios on mobo from many manufacturers for the Ryzen 5XXX series caused performance drop on 2XXX series.

[@fordkr5282]

In my case, Am a early adopted on AM4 with 1600 too because AMD promise that all motherboard will be long support. Turn out my expensive Asrock x370 didn't have a driver support for 5000 series. This make me still mad at AMD, will never be early adopter again.

[@tylersays-]

That's exactly why I'm switching to team red instead of getting the 13700k which has zero upgrade path... it's pretty awesome

[@nataliesantana3309]

I really want to get into AM5 because of the future of the platform. I've had my current computer for like 6-7 years but its Intel. The problem is that I can't even milk a few more years out of it by buying even an outdated processor that gives better performance than what I have because of lack of platform compatibility. I'm willing to get into a 2nd Gen (or even late 1st gen) AM5 simply for the promise of being able to wait another 4 years and buy and end of life processor upgrade just to milk a bit more life out of a build before being forced to reinvest a ton more money into a new build. For me, its a short term investment to allow long term upgrades with greater cost control on my part.

[@alexsavastru8125]

@D this guy is on some solid stuff here. I built a 5600x + rtx 3050 machine for each of my friends within the last month and I know for sure it'll serve them well over time. At the time of this comment, so basically early june 2022, the entire build cost us somewhere around $1000 (might be a bit off because I'm approximating the conversion to USD but it's in the general ballpark). The build includes: - Asus Tuf Gaming B550 mobo - ryzen 5600x cpu - gigabyte rtx 3050 gpu - 2x8gb 3600 MHz corsair vengeance ram - random aerocool case with a 200mm front fan, can't remember the name - random cpu cooler, even though the stock amd one is usually enough - samsung 980 pro 1tb m.2 ssd Overall, it's a pretty decent build both for gaming and for a workstation. If you want to get a pc for a couple of years while this whole AM5 thing stabilizes, a configuration similar to this one is going to serve you mighty fine.

[@djlytic4603]

Good plan! I did the opposite.. i waited til end of life for am4 and went for a full top spec build for the cheapest price i could imagine. Either way, time usually improved accessibility. Outside of a shortage

[@asongfromunderthefloorboards]

​@@djlytic4603It's often a good practice to wait for a release - then buy the previous generation. Both retailers and ebay will drop prices as they unload to get the new one. It's like buying a used luxury car, you get way more car than you otherwise could have and for way less money than the new gen.

[@solidreactor]

You are totally right on what you mentioned in the video. However I would like to add that on Zen1 the motherboard vendors did not believe in AMD and therefor did not put much engineering into the 300 series motherboards, except for some iirc like the Asroc taichi model. It wasn't until the 400 motherboard series the memory topology became better and that they used more PCB layers and better engineering. So it was both that the CPU was new and the motherboard vendors not caring enough. If you look at the Ryzen 1000 series CPU on the 400 series motherboard then you will see approximately how I would have been if the motherboard vendors believed more in AMD. AMD has more resources today and the motherboard vendors do believe in AMD, so the AM5 introduction will probably be much better than AM4 introduction. However as you said the current mature AM4 will probably be more stable than AM5 introduction. Although I am guessing that the AM5 intro will be better than Intels Alder lake because AMD is adding less new things to their new platform than what Intel did, as I said just a guess.

[@bothellkenmore]

Totally agree with all you said. I'd add that since DDR5 has been out for a while now, AMD has had a lot of time to work with what's already out there as opposed to working with engineering samples like Intel did. Also Jay made it sound like Zen 4 was a brand new from scratch architecture like FX to Zen when it's just an evolution of Zen, I really don't think the socket change will matter. That being said, wait at least 3 months to jump in or 6.

[@agnarjo]

Completely agree. AM5 will probably be alot smoother than when Ryzen initially launched. Big vendors such as Asus, Gigabyte and MSI will make top tier motherboards with frequent BIOS updates to remove problems at launch real quick.

[@DrSmugface]

@@agnarjo absolutely true ..I got me a b350 and a 1600x at launch ..it definitely felt more like AMD wants to push but MSI was like .."Naaa mate"

[@themobster7284]

Yes sadly all x370 boards was UNDERhelming even the taichi and the crosshair, no matter their better VRMs still fasr from what the x570 boards are.... Still i did buy high end Gigabyte Aorus x370 board with 6+4 pchase VRM, sure it is weak, but at least is true 6 pchase for the vCore and the board works great with 3700x now, and will prob work great with the next CPU i will buy (not sure what it will be like 5700x, 5800x, 5800x3D or the 5900x...) .. Back in 2017 and x370 after the bad Bulldozer FX processors the AIBs did think the RyZEN will be another disappointment, so the high end AM4 boards was where the Intel 1151 mid range boards did sit on... Still even like that i did not have a single problem with my original Ryzen 1700 or now with this Ryzen 3700x, or memory problems, never had any BIOS problems (aside from when i did install latest bios and i was still with ryzen 1700 caused some times the system not to be able to post, fixed it with 3700x ofc), and i did buy my AM4 parts in june 2017, i waited couple of months to see how things will be going, cant say i was pissed or mad about the new platform and early adoption problems. Only problem i have even today is the Gigabyte BIOS is a bit buggy, but it works. RAM did also work great since day one, and today even more.. Guess most people did pick boards and memory that dont liek eatch other, and that caused them to have tons of problems and head bangs, this is why i use G. Skill since forever they are just working on whatever board you trow them at, not like garbage Corsair memory, Adata, Crucial and others.. Kingston i believe for the most part is also mostly fine...

[@LordNecron]

Asrock had, at least for their 'Pro4' Series, always been a decentish fallback through all generations of AM4. MSI's awesome 400 Series boards felt more like 'Someone accidentally fed the PCB machine with the new stuff intended for the Intel production lines, instead of the scrap that fell off the table and had been stepped on for 5 times'.

[@calvinlondt3037]

I'm going for AM5, i'm still on AM3+ from 2012 with a Phenom II X6, finally financially able to upgrade so i'm going for the AM5 + DDR5 upgrade later this year. However, I will take the advice on this video and wait a few months for issues to be ironed out, and the next manufacturing cycle of hardware to refine the platform before I upgrade. Very insightful video, thank you.

[@bernds6587]

fascinating. I am also on a Phenom II X6 (1100T) 🙈 I was about to upgrade right before the price explosion started, so I waited.... my parents being on an even older intel CPU, I'm planning on two AM5 builds, one low to mid range APU, and a beast aswell. Probably starting with the midrange one since my Radeon 6000 series (HD) is slowly dying..

[@calvinlondt3037]

@@bernds6587 My build was also with a radeon 6000, lol. My 6970 unfortunately only lasted till 2016 with a flashed bios and overclocking on a shitty Club3D card, that's what I got for buying off-brand. I then had to buy a 2nd hand 7850 which died after 6 months because the previous owner was a scammer, so i've been using a friends GTX560Ti since. I recently upgraded to an Asus RX6600 but had to RMA the card due to a manufacturing fault, and since the seller is out of stock I am forced to upgrade to the RX6600 XT version because I refuse to get the MSI 6600 cards.

[@oxfordsparky]

why ignore intel and plan on building an AMD platform that isn't even out yet? If you've waited this long then just wait to see what its actually like, it could be shocking value.

[@bidenisasnake9932]

China Thanks you!

[@calvinlondt3037]

@@oxfordsparky Intel asks you to pay almost double on the CPU itself to match the performance, also my budget for pc parts will be better later this year.

[@HyperJ123]

I'm riding my 5950X for about 5 years. I have a great build with a 3080 Ti and 32GB of 3600mhz C14 RAM. I think I'm set for 4-5 years without having to adjust settings.

[@markh351]

I had a similar strategy about 20 years ago, I bought a high-end Pentium 4 CPU and a Radeon 9800 Pro (the best gaming card of the time) and I was pretty much bomb-proof for the next four years after that.

[@bigfellaoo7]

What brand is the memory? Thanks.

[@belisariussmith9095]

Same boat. My brother too.

[@ruxandy]

@@markh351 You were very lucky that your 9800 PRO lasted for that long. They were known to die a very quick and sudden death from overheating (because of the GPU shim that was taller than the height of the actual die). Being a retro enthusiast, I still have 3 x ATI Radeon 9800PRO and two of them are sealed. 😀

[@markh351]

@@ruxandy Oh wow, I was not aware of that issue with the 9800 Pro! I did well with it. Pretty cool that you have some sealed cards in your possession! I remember mine cost $700 Canadian plus tax when it was new. Wish you could get a top tier card for the same now haha. Today I run a 1070 Ti.

[@Search4TruthReality]

Your advice is always insightful. Thank you! To answer your question, I'm somewhere south of a bleeding-edge tech guy. I prefer the sweet spot. After a lifetime on Intel, I built my first-ever AMD system earlier this year (AM4) - solid state, no spinning disks - so quiet - so powerful - so awesome!

[@pandemicneetbux2110]

I really don't understand why you guys keep comparing it to the 5800x. Literally costs more than the 5900x which is on sale right now, or retails for just 50 bucks more USD, and where most of us who'd be thinking of buying this thing already are on AM4 and so our end stage CPU choices are going to be the 5800X3D, 5950x, or 5900x. Those are the only three CPUs I really care about being lined up in different tasks, which obviously the 5950x crushes it (albeit more costly) and to where our real gaming potential is going to be what that can achieve on a usually mid to higher end board (because if you're thinking of this good chance you have at least a decent b450 if not high end b550 or x570) using an all core "overclock" with sustained turbos. Like the only thing I actually care about is 5900x, 5950x, or 5800x3d. I have no clue why every reviewer keeps doing this because it's just not helpful. A lot of us probably are also on 1440p or 4k. I doubt anyone at all is thinking about the 5800x at this point, or where more or less each of these CPUs is in range of each other except 5950x but even that's only a hundred bucks higher depending on sale (identical gaming performance but the PBO/Ryzen Master tweaking allegedly offers slightly higher turbo clock + your final AM4 CPU has 4 more cores for the next 4-8 years of using this PC). I'm not thinking about switching to Alder Lake and I'd never consider the 5800x or 5700x upgrading from my 3700x, which likewise the 3600/3600x, 3700x, and 2700x users are probably also looking at how it all compares. I'm hoping Jay at least does this because come to think of it I think he's the most down to earth guy with the most common sense out of all them, and not just some super autist like the rest of us or some marketing businessman making his bread showing off the latest and greatest. Mainly I feel like Jay is the one person who's most able to connect with the brand new PC builder and casual gamer seeing about getting into watercooling or building his first PC and working on a budget, and trust Jay's value judgments about buys the most in the same way I trust GN to give the best scientific tier results. So I think out of all the main reviewers I'd probably trust what Jay has to say the most about what to get on the final form of your AM4 and if you want to morph into a 5950x overclocked, an OC'd 5900x, or a 5800X3D, which at $380 I'm so tempted to just buy a 5900x right this very minute. I'm solely not because the much pricier X3D could still potentially be the better gaming option, whereas the 5950x is definitely the better production option, where the 5900x kinda feels like the middleground [leaves all his stats at 5] tier of the 3, being good at both but best at neither, and hoping to last many years to come, I'm hesitant to pick one that's not the best of the best at at least something, be it better gaming or 2 years from now working on a project. The real issue is "overclocking" i.e. sustained turbo boosts on either other chip, versus the locked down and overheating nature of the vcache that can only theoretically so far beat the 30% smaller cache 5950x or 5900x.

[@KakoriWow]

@@pandemicneetbux2110 this guy didn’t say anything about that processor. Also, not every other dude is an “autist” you are right in some of your points but why did you reply to this poor soul?

[@GameplayandTalk]

Still will be sticking with AM4 for a while, but I'm looking forward to seeing what AM5 brings to the table.

[@mrn234]

doing the same. i plan to upgrade my 2700X to a 5700X when there is support on my B450

[@Kathdath]

I didn’t build my first couple of DDR3 PCs until DDR4 had already been on the marker for a couple of years.

[@gerardweistra]

@@mrn234 There probably is, my b450 has it for over a year

[@silviadragoness5904]

Same here. Next upgrade will _hopefully_ be an RTX 3080 (once prices come back down some more), and probably some time after that one of the new Ryzen X3D CPUs.

[@Cuddlecakes3190]

Using a i7 9700K and still gonna wait a bit. Then go AM5.

[@ClickClickChhk]

Given AMD’s track record with New chipsets and socket releases it’s 50/50 honestly. I appreciate that they’ve let AM4 continue for this long because it’s aged like fine wine. The fact that they’ve also made newer cpus compatible with older gen AM4 motherboards was probably a good move hopefully they keep AM5 for just as long.

[@boredcompsciguy]

I built my coworker a new PC recently with a 5800x3D and a 3080ti. Despite being advised against building new systems with AM4, she's a perfect example of a user who wants the best but isn't scratching after that extra 5-10% all the time. This is her 3rd new PC in 12 years, and I expect it to last until AM5 is considerably matured.

[@ervingoss5442]

I'll consider an upgrade, to the AM5 platform, after at least a year from launch. I did this with AM4. Also did it with Windows 10, which I'm still on.

[@israellewis5484]

Windows 10 is good shit. Screw 11 till 2024.

[@theskywalker8416]

@@israellewis5484 true, always skip an window upgrade is the way

[@PabzRoz]

simple solution to most of this video just wait a month or 2 for the new platform to become more stable before adopting so you don't have to update bios as much and deal with issues on launch... then you can see if it's worth it based on your own research... common sense.

[@tonyasperado4005]

literally lol

[@malphadour]

Yeah, he really kind of went on and on instead of just giving the actual good advice.

[@leeroyjankins2307]

@@malphadour that's a typical "jay talking head video" for you. just rants for a while about stuff we usually already know

[@gambino883]

Or you know, buy now and have a solid stable platform that you can run for years to come. But everyone seems so obsessed with calling AM4 "DEAD". End of line sure, but dead? NO.

[@torva8121]

@@gambino883 That's what they mean by dead. As in it's no longer going to be supported for future processors. I don't think anyone calling it dead means it's actually dead lol. Obviously it's still going to be live and well for years to come with plenty of support.

[@JasonPrice1]

Staying with AM4 for the time being. I will max this platform out and wait likely till year 2 or 3 before moving. I am in FAR more need of a new GPU so that will be where my largest investment will go once I can get one for the price I am willing to pay.

[@NYCamper62]

Agreed on this. B450, 3600, 32g3200, 580 all still crankin.

[@cv507]

will l8test move when ue 5 aka half? photo realism becomes anantiqwitty D still ön r5.1 xP

[@aligatortatotatotaovic1890]

​@@NYCamper62 Nice :) just buy some better GPU when you can and its all good. I have: Ryzen 2600, b450, 16gb ram, rtx 3060 and im on 1080p, at least 2-3 years i wont touch it maybe cpu upgrade to 5600.

[@acmenipponair]

@@aligatortatotatotaovic1890 I even only have a RX 570 and it's still ok. The only think I would upgrade in the next years would be 2600 -> 5600 and maybe the GPU when they are cheaper. It's always wise to not be a first adopter but to be on a platform that is a bit older. Don't forget, the Games that are written that they wouldn't run on an AM4 CPU anymore but need the speed of an AM5 will most likely only come out in 2025 or later! Game development takes years, the games that come out now have been programmed with an 8th Gen Intel or Zen 1 in mind ;)

[@aligatortatotatotaovic1890]

@@acmenipponair I agree on everything you said. I was on gtx 1070 but then i decided to give it to my brother for Xbox S (nice little thing), after that i had rx570 4gb (backup card) and then I bought rtx 3060. xD Not a small amount of money for rtx3060, it was double the MSRP but honestly i dont care. :) For 1080p rtx 3060 with 12gb vram will be enough for 2-3 years after that i will see probably new monitor 1440p or maybe 4K with stronger GPU but AM5 will wait maybe even more than 2-3 years as far as im concerned.

[@evilbrad3]

I am building an am4 system for Christmas not even considering going am5 for years

[@CFHDime]

Based on the longevity AM4 had, I would say YES, it’s going to be worth it. AM4 reached its last possible upgrade with the 5000 series CPUs.

[@DiscombobulatingName]

Conversely, it means I can afford to wait for the 8000 series Ryzens and still have a lot of longevity left on the platform, while also not having to deal with gen 1 issues.

[@MatthewWeiler1984]

About 6 months ago, I decided that I really wanted to build a new PC this year to replace my i5 2500k based system that I build in 2011. I wanted to wait for the next generation of Ryzen, but I didn't want to be part of the 1st generation issues, so I decided to build with AM4 now. I was lucky in that I already had a Ryzen 5 2400g and a RX 5700 XT lying around, so I decided to put together a decent PC using the parts that I had as a base. I had to buy a new MOBO and some RAM, then I decided to treat myself to a new M.2 SSD (1TB Samsung 980 - I should have gone with the 970 evo). This was a huge upgrade, but pretty soon the 2400g was really holding me back especially when I decided to re-encode my entire Plex collection as h.265 to save space. So I ended up replacing the 2400g with a 5900X... OMG, this thing is a beast. My brothers b-day was just around the corner, and he had mentioned that he wanted to get a new PC. I had that 2400g and a Radeon RX 590 lying around, so I just bought another AM4 mobo, some DDR4 ram, a M.2 SSD (1TB Samsung 970 evo), Corsair 4000D airflow, and built him a pretty decent PC. Reading this after writing it, I can see that I'm pretty impulsive :( Ohh well, it's fun building.

[@KevDawg1992]

I might wait a couple of years to switch. I'm sure my 3700X will do just fine until then. Even then, I'm sure it would be more of a want than a need.

[@hehotbros01]

That's what I'm running too. I was just gonna upgrage to a 5900x in a year or so and stretch am4 as long as i can

[@poncie17]

@@hehotbros01 been rocking the 5900x for around a year now, and it handles everything effortlessly, u can definitely get multiple more years of solid performance from it

[@zhardy323]

same, i think i'm good with keeping my 3700x until they retire win10. thats also when i'll consider updating to 11

[@markdavenportjr5129]

Yep same here but I'm running a i7 11700f similar type of cpu but Intel Version. So I'm fine with it for a few more years. :)

[@UnitedHornet]

I got a 2700x, think it'll be good until just as long?

[@MedievalFolkDance]

At the moment, the answer is "Definately wait" for me. There is more than enough in the AM4 range that will do whatever anyone needs it to and probably more depending on the CPU. Much like the stuff Mercedes ram into their new cars, whatever comes at an uber premium price tag right now will not only be affordable but standard in a few years.

[@KAPTKipper]

It's a year later - yes you should.

[@kwakdeducc]

now that am5 is coming out, this is actually the best time to make the best budget, starter, medium, and top tier am4 PC system parts or rig [not in a super expensive LTT syle tho], maybe a motherboard tier list for best features to money ratio or something am4 related...

[@thevampirekiller123]

@Jim McIntosh where? Edit: Link??

[@thevampirekiller123]

@Jim McIntosh thanks 👍

[@nix123ism]

Yeah, last time I built a system, AMD had nothing remotely competitive on the market for a 10400,11400 competitor, was considering going 12th gen but the motherboards are seriously expensive, even h610. Then I watched a couple of reviews on the new 5600 (NON X) and at the price of 75% of a 5600x, is damn good value , even the 5800X3d is a good value high end cpu for gaming. So, for a change AMD is actually looking competitive right at the moment.....

[@earthtaurus5515]

@Jim McIntosh Not just UFD Tech, Hardware Unboxed have covered cost per frame in their CPU and GPU reviews.

[@earthtaurus5515]

@@nix123ism AMD have been fairly competitive since Zen 1 mind you in terms of price to performance as Intel was still charging crazy prices for their refreshes. The caveat is that Zen 1 motherboards are pretty subpar compared to Zen 2. Zen 3 motherboards on the other hand are extremely good. A solid B550 motherboard is what most folks will ever need for a long time and you can get that sub £120. Especially if you shop around and do your research.

[@tokiomitohsaka7770]

I want the upgradability of AM5, but after watching this video, I think I’ll wait a few more months after that release so if they need, they will release newer revisions to the motherboard, as well as a slightly lower end CPU and upgrade to a higher end second gen later.

[@EmptyZoo393]

I bought a Ryzen 1600X a few months after launch and it was a fun experience. First PC I've ever built myself, although I'd helped a roommate build one a few years before. After dealing with locked down OEM Intel systems it was night and day, with fan curves, overclocking capabilities, it was a big bundle of "Yes, you can do that." Single-threaded performance was higher than anything I'd had before, so even though Intel was *technically* faster on that count I was thrilled. I did have some weird audio issues until I upgraded the bios a year or two after, it would sometimes buzz in weird ways but swapping front/rear audio generally fixed it. I was just happy to have a powerful computer, while supporting AMD's serious comeback and kicking Intel's lazy (and monopolistic) rear. I thought I'd upgrade it, but I've never gotten around to it. I'm still using a decade-old GPU on it because I just haven't been able to justify getting a new one when I really don't play demanding games. These days I'd probably go with a -G AMD APU and call it a day in a much smaller box. Upgradability hasn't been as big of a deal for me since interests have shifted and I'm no longer in school. Your mileage will vary.

[@christopherbeddoe406]

I'm with you. I think there being a 2 year gap between releases should help things be more stable. I'll wait for reviews, see how stable things are. If there are a ton of issues or the performance is disappointing I'll go with Intel Raptor Lake. No way I would waste money on AM4. That's just bad advice. It's dead.

[@drochette1]

To me, buying a new motherboard is always an investment in the future. I won't even consider AM4 if AM5 is out and I'm building new.

[@SwordShape]

I jumped to AM5 about 2 months in? Had no issues. SUPER HAPPY. and I just loooove how AMD supports their chipset for years and years. Feel very solid about where my system for a long time. Runs cool, great performance. Does anything I want.

[@rogerioueharamarcus4577]

Runs cool?

[@fayis4everlove]

@@rogerioueharamarcus4577 he be lying

[@LTdan457]

I finally upgraded from Intel coffee Lake to AMD Ryzen 5900x last year, I am happy with the set up and don’t have much of a reason to upgrade anytime soon. Maybe in a year or two when the platform is stable and new features like PCIe 5 for next gen usb become standardized.

[@thereddog223]

I would say wait for zen 6

[@chrispeters8555]

I just built a 5800x build last year as well… but I won’t be upgrading anytime soon… usually 5 year cycles for me so I’ll be looking at AM6 lol

[@Andrew_Johnson_2973]

It's getting ridiculous now. I'm chugging away quite happily with my r5 3600 and 1080ti fe at the moment. Upgraded back in 2021 from an old i7 4790k ddr3 system which I built back in 2014. But what a difference.

[@tilapiadave3234]

Did you use TWO hammers to fit an AMD CPU into an Intel mother board?

[@acmenipponair]

@@tilapiadave3234 I'll bet he also upgraded the motherboard and RAM ;) I mean, getting an 3600 to be able to run with DDR3 memory would be insane :D

[@WTBMrGrey]

If you already have a decent AM4 mobo , there are some good deals on the 5900x and 5950x. Also the 5800x3D being released. You would most probably be better off upgrading to these CPU'S then going for a whole new platform swap.

[@johnszatkowski6898]

I agree! Getting a higher-end AM4 chip will last you at least 2years for a fraction of the price and still stay relevant. My CAD rig at work is almost 4years old and was expensive and is still a beast! Yet it's still holding it's own VERY well with some newer rigs in my office. Granted automotive/aerospace CAD work on the professional level is NOT like gaming as the graphics cards are setup totally different where they are not FPS based. I can can load FULL vehicle assemblies where some of these newer rigs still blow-up and I'll "break" these up so other rigs can load them. My home rig is less than 6months old and will outperform my work rig by over HALF but in the CPU category and will NOT do CAD work on the same level at all due the graphics card. My work rig uses a Nvidia Quadro series which like I said is totally different than the Nvidia RTX series. AMD only makes "gaming" cards and you NEVER see any of these used in full-time CAD work - this is NOT to say ADM graphics cards suck it's just they are suited to "gaming" and that's it.

[@sopianwahyudi]

Yup! Eyeing ryzen 7 for upgrade later, when am5 drops

[@PStewart28]

Agreed, I picked up a 5950x at Micro Center on Saturday for $519.99.

[@johnszatkowski6898]

@@PStewart28 ; Question, I do not know much about the 5950X but this CPU requires water-cooling right off the bat yes/no?

[@PStewart28]

@@johnszatkowski6898 On the box it does recommend water cooling

[@TPixelAdventures]

as an early adopter of AM4, my only regret is that my 1700X lost the silicon lottery and could only run at 3.6-3.7GHz all core. My buddy's base 1700 ran at 3.8GHz all core on the same mobo, ram, and even PSU...and at lower voltages 😢

[@michaelthompson9798]

I’m personally holding out for the revised AM5 … some maturity of the build, bios updates to be rolled out, DDR5 speeds & timings to be improved, costs to reduce / stabilise etc before upgrading my AM4 platform. I did this with Ryzen, bypassing Ryzen 1st Gen and going to 2nd Gen.

[@slumy8195]

bought the latest old gen from intel (11th gen) solely for this new e core design that was coming out. What do you know some games work some dont. New cpus have built in drm so your buying games just to play them muted, the e-core switch with the prime cores that cause performance issue. Glad I didnt bother going for this new 12th gen tech. I will gladly buy an amd cpu later down the road because they dont have this garbage drm feature. As for the 11th gen chip I've had zero issues other than playing with undervolt and overclock to see its limits.

[@brucethen]

When Ryzen was launched, there was actually a bug in windows 10 that caused random blue screens. About 2 months after Ryzen launched, a windows update finally cured the problem

[@lolololo2965]

Honestly I think the 5600x will be more than enough for me, its a brilliant cpu

[@WildCard23917]

I’m liking ur comment because of the Madrid logo

[@BigDrewski1000]

The 3600 is proving to be more than ample for my needs

[@RedRisotto]

Okay, grandma... In a year that processor will be a skidmark to what will be available. However, if it works for you... love it. lick it and save your money.

[@neca93pk]

@@RedRisottoOkay, capitalist. I have a 2600x in my rig with a 1080ti, more than ample to push pretty much everything I want. Some people either don't want/don't have the money to splurge to have the newest and greatest. That's why we have people like you, to make our lives cheaper when you buy it at full price at day 1 and troubleshoot everything for us. When that is done, give us a call 🤙. 🤙

[@sidewinder86ify]

@@RedRisotto What are you talking about? 5600x will be fine for a long time..

[@damon2974]

I think on some level everyone thinks they want to be an early adopter because that means you get the new stuff and the perceived bragging rights that come along with it. Me personally I am approaching that stage in life where I want something that just works. I will definitely jump to AM5 but this video (thanks Jay) I think has solidified my plan to wait.

[@gustavofernandesaltoe1073]

Just upgraded from an AM3+ FX8320 to an AM4 5600G. Besides the fact that my old MoBo had a premature death, the FX platform was struggling to keep up with CPU intensive games beyond 2016 launch. I just use my PC for gaming and some very occasional home video editing so I could, theoretically, wait for AM5 launch however, I decided to go with AM4 because of the maturity of the platform. I figured it would be much smoother sailing using the latest and greatest of a solid platform rather than having to deal with the bugs and gremlins of newer stuff. For those with budgets and patience, I tip my hat for your courage to deal with the little nuisances of bleeding edge tech. Now, when are GPUs gonna come back to normal so I can go beyond 1080p gaming?

[@alvarovelasco29]

Recently built my first PC (thanks for the 'what to do after building' video, helped a lot), 2 things stopping me from going/waiting for AM5 are price, I have limited budget and don't mind mid range, and stability, cause I'm a newb and troubleshooting something I've never encountered before is probably gonna take me a long time to find an answer for, which I don't have a lot of or want to deal with AM4 is end of life, but to me, that's if I went with the most high end, like X570 and a 5950X, which I don't really need right now, but if I ever do, at least I could try to find the CPU and put it in the B550 I chose (thankfully BIOS flashback worked fine with me, I had my fingers crossed almost the whole 10 minutes of watching the blinking light to stop) I would probably upgrade again when (just like what Jay said in another video) when what I have now is no longer able to do what I need and want to do with it (Maybe in 5 to 7 years for a full system rebuild)

[@erickmarte5294]

I’d say that the amount of years that amd has been on the top of the price to performance metric side of things they would be on a good side with new pin array, chipsets and bracket support. With how good they’re still going with am4 and they zen architecture I think people will be less likely to question them on switching to a brand new system.

[@stuartlunsford7556]

AMD has kinda gone the other way on Zen 3, waiting a long time to put out non X SKUs and not releasing a Zen 3 four core. I hope they come back, because they still need to buy a lot more mind share to be a real competitor. Still, if Zen 4 can beat the crap out of Raptor Lake for similar prices, that will be good enough

[@cbrunnem6102]

@@stuartlunsford7556 they didn't release 4 core cpus cause the silicon yields didn't allow it. Why would they take an 8 core piece of silicon and disable half of it just to sell it for less?

[@yell9845]

Currently on AM4 I have no worries going to AM5 with past socket support that's what draws me in

[@nostrum6410]

years they spent on top?

[@stuartlunsford7556]

@@nostrum6410 I'm assuming they meant for multi core performance vs price only since that's the only metric AMD did win consistently the last couple of years.

[@St1ngerGuy]

I live on the edge. I'm going AM5 as soon as it comes out but only after you give it a good review.

[@PulsarTECH]

Definitely worth getting an AM5 because AM4 will be outdated and not supported for any new updates any more though it still might be good for a few years. On another hand getting an AM5 even with the possibility of some issues that will be fixed in the future but that will also give you way more upgrade potential and performance gain.

[@TheJunnutin]

If I were to build a new rig now, I'd go with AM5. However, having recently upgraded from 2600 to 5600 I'm not in a hurry. I guess the divider is whether you expect to upgrade your system or not. If not, an AM4 is probably better bang/buck

[@chynagods]

You should have went for a 5800x

[@Korkonakios]

@@chynagods I totally agree with that and then be ready for a quirky AM5 version one with issues so straight for the 2nd Gen AM5 to avoid all of them :P

[@themobster7284]

My advice for u is to wait like min 2 months or even 3 after AM5 launch to see how everything goes.. I did that when AM4 launched and guess what, i had NO problems with the platform, as i did watch first day reviers and stuff and i did know what to do, and what not to do, and i did pick best parts as memory and mobo, and i had no problems, meanwhile many ppl did cry from the UNstable AM4 platform, problems, memory clock sucks BSODs, post problems and bootLOOPs, i had non of these... So only way to be early adopter free of problems is to wait 2-3 months and see what happens, also using G. Skill memory is important as they produce the best memory hands down, on ASUS boards before i had problems with Corsair, Crucial BallistiX, Adata, G. Skill never give me any problems, Kingston is also fine memory.. But i believe AM5 will prob have NO problems even from day one, or if they, the fix will be fast like in 1-2 weeks...

[@TheJunnutin]

​@@themobster7284 That's why I said "if I were to build a *new* rig *now*". I waited for 2k series CPUs exactly cause I figured it would be the refined version.

[@TheJunnutin]

@@chynagods Well, yes. But I had a budget.

[@SimpsonsRule17]

I was an early adopter for X99 and DDR4. Many regrets. Instant headaches. Exactly what you described. I'd urge anyone to let someone else be the beta tester.

[@tuttocrafting]

Lol now my server is running on x99. Super stable with ecc buffered rams :) Probably initial bioses were bad. I'm having issues with the annoying BMC/KVM that uses an old java applet...

[@NinjaContravaniaManX]

Absolutely the same here. I'm still on X99 and some major issues never got fixed. I completely lost trust in Intel since then. Now I can't wait for AM5 to launch so AM4 prices are gonna drop further, hopefully. Then I will buy an established X570 motherboard with stable BIOS and 5000 series CPU and never look back. X99 was by far the worst platform I ever had.

[@Crestxo]

@@NinjaContravaniaManX Have a 5000er CPU for almost 1.5 years now and I never had any problems. Safe to say that it is established enough 😄

[@Lucas-dt5gr]

i bought a X99 Gaming Pro Carbon from MSI for 300€ and had usb driver issues for more than a year until the bios got fixed, will not make that mistake again.. however my 6800k on 4.4ghz can still hold on quiet nicely for being that old

[@RECE4ER]

I was thinking about waiting for AM5, but after this video, I think I'll just pickup AM4. Thanks Jay

[@mikkolappalainen_]

I am waiting for AM5 motherboard so I can keep updating my PC for next 5 years with ease. With intel, its new MB every time you update your processor. I think with am5 and ddr5 its going to be long lasting base-setup. If I bought AM4 now it would feel just wrong

[@ooooooo-pu8vg]

Same here. Also decided to switch to AMD for similar longevity reasons. Hope my 9yr old Intel PC doesn't die while I wait for some refinement of AM5.

[@Gavrev]

Sounds to me like irrespective of your choice of platform for upgrade, perhaps the best option (perhaps counterintuitively) is to go for the last gen of a line.

[@Robert-gs6qv]

Exactly you go for the last gen after the new gen gets in the market, so you build the best of the best of the last gen for the cheap price and you bring the middle finger up and popcorns while the new gen has problems and the older series builds need to upgrade 🥳 i did the same in 2013 and i was fine for 2 generations, hopefully i grab it again this year and dont worry for the next 8 years about spec

[@danmoretti8898]

Either go last gen, or wait a year for new platform to mature

[@Robert-gs6qv]

@@danmoretti8898 i disagree, 2 years it takes only for software to keep up with the hardware. after that. the hardware starts to keep up with the software and you will end up upgrading every 3/4 years. if you can take now the ryzen 7 5800x with 3060ti with the asus rog strix b550F and in 2 years upgrade to 6900xt you will be good for next 6-7 years. with a 240hz monitor. all the setup for around 1200-1300$ will make alot of sense at the end of this year. and comparing to the best build of 2 year ago for 1200$ its a big hit :)

[@sportler777]

@@Robert-gs6qv more like 1400$

[@danmoretti8898]

​@@Robert-gs6qv That's a great point, thanks for your thoughtful reply

[@cainc1673]

I've got the 5800x, upgrading to the newest cpu is such a waste a lot of the time, especially when I already have such a powerful one. But the marketing makes you feel like your current cpu is slow and you need a new one. I respect the 4790k owners still going strong

[@mtherlihy]

I have been delaying an upgrade for a long time, especially with supply problems the last few years. I don't mind the bugs in a new system for the promise of getting in earlier on a platform I can expand in a few years. Definitely worth it for me. My Intel system is 9 years old but it never made sense to buy a new cpu because of the socket changes.

[@shannonrhoads7099]

I was a late adopter of LGA 1200. During the GPU crisis, someone parted out a 'gaming' PC for the 30xx card inside, and I was literally the only bid on the platform, getting an I7-11700F with the old Intel stock cooler, a B560 motherboard and 2x8 gb plain green 3200 mHz ram sticks for just over $400 US on eBay. I also sunk almost that much into a 2070 Super as prices started to come down, which makes for a good enough pairing though I know I should have waited. I got a full tower ATX case, PSU and AIO locally to finish the build. To quote Weird Al, "My computer's got the clocks, it rocks, but it was obsolete before I even opened the box!" It's still gonna be my main computer for a long time.

[@devKazuto]

I've thought about finally upgrading my PC after 10 years (i5-3570k) to an AM4 setup. I guess I'll wait for AM5 then, cause I don't want to buy into a platform/socket that has reached EOL.

[@droidbird]

I'm in the same boat - 4790k tho

[@bmanna495]

Same here, 4690k

[@Almighty_Flat_Earth]

I hate AMD, because of missing iGPU. Intel gen12 processors are far better than stupid AMD. AMD GPU sucks in hardware encoding. Governments should ban sales of CPUs without iGPU.

[@danielredziniak2996]

@@Almighty_Flat_Earth brain dead bot🤣🤣

[@damianlouw9490]

@@Almighty_Flat_Earth who hurt you

[@bigbrownmab189]

My computer is an editing built rig, very interested to see how AM5 does with all things Adobe in conjunction with DDR5. I have a 3900X now, but would gladly go for the 5950X as an upgrade if its not a huge difference, and just wait for a couple generations of the AM5 for a full new build.

[@blendering3D]

I upgraded from a 7 year old laptop to a Ryzen 3700x workstation build, the performance difference is huge, so I guess it's ok to wait 5 more years for a mature upgrade when I need it

[@nathanielkeaton4775]

I couldn't wait as my old pc was really getting long in the teeth so I built one a year ago, it was a real struggle to get the parts at the time but I have no regrets on the build even if it's the last am4 build. I'll wait a couple years and see how am5 progresses and maybe I'll build a new one and use my current one as a second pc.

[@Rspsand07]

The second AM5 comes out, I'm getting it. In the hopes that they stick to their motherboard longevity. Haven't even looked at 12 series from intel because of it. Unless that changes this generation, I don't really think about intel anymore. I can't remember the last time I bought a new mobo and it's awesome.

[@sylviam6535]

Exactly. I am waiting for AM5 because of upgradability. AM4 is still great, but is end of life now.

[@bradhaines3142]

@@sylviam6535 but look at AM4 compatibility, there's really specific ram and other compatibility issues that have to be worried about on the earlier boards. should really wait a couple gens. but im fine with you beta testing for me if that's how you want to live

[@sylviam6535]

@@bradhaines3142 - I didn’t say that I would buy it on day one. I never do, with any product.

[@Daiarthaine65]

I thought about waiting, but I got a good deal on a 5950X, so I decided to take it since I already had an X570 mobo. I remember the headaches of first-gen Ryzen and my 1700X was getting a bit old.

[@Stormkrasher]

This reminds me of when Ryzen first launched. I was still on my old FX-8350 from 2012 but waited 7 months to hop onto the first generation Ryzen platform and couldn't've made a better decision with the teething issues that were had in the early life of Ryzen.

[@ThoinFrostaxe]

I’m still rocking the 8350 and I’m finally getting ready to upgrade this summer. I’m tempted to frame that CPU as it was my first build.

[@Stormkrasher]

Mine will probably turn into a low end server for NAS in the future but if not then I'm tempted to make it into a coaster.

[@maserati4000]

looks like we are the same because before i jumped to ryzen (2700 -> then 3600x -> now 5900x) my last cpu was the 8350. legendary cpu. hopefully my 5900x will carry me until the end of the AM5 generation without needing to upgrade.

[@tclemos]

I'm upgrading my system after 3 years from a Ryzen 5 2600X to a Ryzen 7 5800X and I'll keep this for the next 3 years. What was said in this video was exactly what I've considered before upgrading my system, btw thanks for the sanity check! IMO 3 years are more than enough for the AM5 technology to get stable and to start thinking about moving over to the next-gen. For now, I'm really happy with my current AM4 setup :)

[@FractilOpacity]

Definitely looking to switch to AM5 from 115x (still running a 6700K). I'm probably going to be waiting for a little bit for stability improvements or until the 2nd iteration of Zen4 depending on reviews. It looks like AMD is really focused on high CPU frequency and high RAM frequency, so I'm interested where they're taking it. Intel has the issue with their retention warping CPUs, and the 275 W power consumption is too much when the 5800X3D consumes half the power, but trades with the 12900k in games for almost half the price. I'm a mixed user so I work in CAD, code compiling, and of course, games, but at this point anything is an upgrade.

[@jedenzet]

KS*

[@AdamBoehme]

I'm in the same boat. Still on a 6700k and will probably wait for the 2nd iteration of Zen4. I'm hoping ddr5 will be at the sweet spot for performance and price by then too.

[@TheBURBAN111]

12900k uses 241w under full load... 12900k can be found for 500$... 5800x 3d is $449 for 8 cores... compared to the 12900k 16... not half the price... yes its half the price of the 12900ks though... which is a pointless buy better to just overclock a 12900k...also remember... its only power hungry under full load... in gaming the 12900k uses literally nothing.

[@kitsune2858]

Dude, nothing wrong with the 6700K, I got one to man

[@welshman2011]

I've came from a 9600k to a 12600k and I can assure you the difference in performance was like night and day so if you upgraded now you'll notice a huge difference in performance over your 6700k. You also don't need a 12900k to get anywhere near the performance of the 5800x3D And you can infact you get a 12600k or 12700k cheaper and overclock them and get the same or better performance with the same or slightly higher wattage (depending which CPU you get) and it'll run cooler for less money. Not only that you'll also have the option to upgrade to 13th gen that'll compete with RYZEN 7000 without buying a new mobo and without shelling out nearly 1k. And if you sold your current set up you'll make the whole upgrade to 12th gen alot cheaper again

[@jwesley235]

I went all-in on a 5950X build last month, so I'm going to be on AM4 for a while.

[@tbreeze79]

Same here.

[@Ottobot2]

Im planning on getting AM5 but waiting until i see what intel is bringing to the table. I'm looking at purchasing a new CPU in Jan/Feb 2023 after the bugs are sorted out. I currently have a 3800x so im not hurting for an upgrade but do notice it bottlenecking my 3080 ti in some titles.

[@TheDBNpoison]

3700X here with a 3090 FE ; yeah I'm curiously waiting to see what the results look like when AM5 is out. I'm leaning more towards a cheaper 5900X purchase myself.

[@EvanOrNBZ]

What I would do is wait for AM5 to release, then wait for 5000 series chips to get heavily discounted and stay on AM4 until the new chipset matures if you have 3000 series or lower

[@maximus4155]

Seeing the initial reviews of the 5800x3D, I'm thinking I'll go that route and wait a year or two before upgrading to AM5. Hopefully by that time DDR5 will be more reasonably priced.

[@MrCrowley66]

Thanks, Jay, always highly informative. I just completed my first custom PC, mostly for work (CAD/REVIT). Your videos have really helped with my setup.

[@billchildress9756]

I just bought a x570 motherboard and i intend to build on that. Being a mechanic for nearly 50 years I agree with jay 110 percent and I have told anybody that was considering anything new to wait for a year to see what problems may occur before buying! Computers and Software are no different from cars and trucks!

[@Iesous27]

When I built my PC in Dec 2022, I went with the 5800x just to save money. I was working within a budget and I got a good price on it. Mind you, I live in Canada so everything is expensive, but for $290, the 5800x was a great CPU.

[@TheVinceVoice]

Makes sense. Currently on AM4 with a 3700X... might do the upgrade to the 5800X3D when the AM5 stuff comes up (hopefully dropping in price) and whatever the newer GPUs are at that point =) Then wait a few generations before it becomes like fine wine as AMD tends to do =)

[@TheMrLucasP]

I am 3700X user as well, very happy with the CPU bout would like to see the higher framerates sometimes. This is what I am going to do as well but I will see how Zen 5 performs first and if it really has so many problems that Jay brought up. Maybe it will turn up to be a pretty stable platform with just few minor issues to work out. Then if the price is right I might jump into the newer platform, but definitely not going to do that on Day 0.

[@arian_s_collection]

Ye for gaming 5800x3d will be a HUGE upgrade

[@meD4ve]

5800X3D will be a unicorn like the R3 3300X. It will come out in small batches as this CPU is made from their Enterprise CPUs. AMD is giving us gamers a taste of of what the big corporations get to play with.

[@TheVinceVoice]

@@meD4ve Yeah true it might be a unicorn like everything has been these last few years... but we may be surprised or AMD might be surprised at the demand and actually start making a good amount of these... especially since these are on the 7nm node still so as they transition to the 5nm... this could still be a good profit maker... those that want the cutting edge will want 5nm chips... but those that just want to upgrade their older AM4 systems would probably want something like this... a good swan song for AM4

[@Pilaspilas911]

I think we got a sneak peak of what AMD chips could look like via the 5800X3D being their test chip while disabling a lot of its potentials for the next AM5 CPU chips.

[@santiagolozoya3439]

i disagree. i think that was just AMD soothing their egos since they lost the top gaming CPU spot and pushing out an unnecicary product.

[@WayStedYou]

@@santiagolozoya3439 So just like the 12900KS?

[@Peppy34420]

I agree

[@kevadu]

@@santiagolozoya3439 lol, what? It's a new exciting technology that's showing impressive performance gains and is available at a reasonable price. That's pretty much the complete opposite of "soothing their egos since they lost the top gaming CPU spot and pushing out an unnecicary product". I would fully expect to see 3D V-cache as a more common feature on future AMD products. It's only limited right now because it's so cutting edge.

[@santiagolozoya3439]

@@kevadu obviously it's an improvement, but I don't think it's as good as it could have been, and AMD knows that

[@niccam]

I just built my new AM4 system. My former system was an AMD form 11 years ago so I'm really happy with my 5800x. No plans on another update for many years to come.

[@telquel7843]

So few home users are even close to maxing out their CPUs as it is that I find the upgrade cycle fascinating. I'm more on the "how good is good enough" outlook. 🤷 Can't wait to see what the next gen performance looks like though.

[@SundayChanting]

This is just good advice and it doesn't apply solely to AM5, but to early adoption in general. As it stands this is timeless advice, great video.

[@edwardstilwell9252]

Intel's ARC GPU's are a fine example ... they can't seem to get the drivers to work I'm sure the struggle they are in will be solved but here we are close to 5 months late on release and who knows what troubles are ahead once they do come out! Hopefully the AMD team has done a great job working out the bugs I have faith in them but I'll wait for others to be the R&D before I take the dive!

[@lowstryder1022]

Just got a 5800X a few months ago so I’m good for now. I’ll eventually adopt AM5 unless Intel gives me a justifiable reason to switch

[@Cloudmaster1511]

"if you hear any buzzing sound our printer is not the quietest" meanwhile my air conditioner:" BRRRRRRRRRRwurrwurrwurrbzzzzzzz" what did you say again? XD

[@dfostbeast4321]

you know how poorly the launch has to go for jay to make a 13 minute video about all of the problems he has had... Im waiting another year before I get one. Thanks Jay.

[@OcularPerceptions]

I'll stick with my 5950x, 64GB-3600 RAM, 2T NVME, 1080ti with custom cooler on a Crosshair Hero VII, various SSDs in an old Thermaltake case I've customized for acceptable air flow until all the new standards are available at the same time. It's currently too expensive to step into anything else at the moment. I've been playing this game since I bought my Tandy 1000TX way back in 1986 and it's time to hold my money and let the technology mature a bit.

[@Celis.C]

I'm absolutely keeping an eye on AMD this year. Intel and nVidia both have shown to prioritize raw power over efficiency, that's reason enough for me to put them second on the list. What I'm mostly curious about is what their new CPU and GPU architecture will do, and how those will interact - resizable BAR chief among them - and if DDR5 will be worth it over DDR4. As such, I'll absolutely delve into the various hardware channels and see what they have to say about things at the end of the year. It's gonna be an exciting time, I just hope it'll be worth the wait, be affordable and be available...

[@tilapiadave3234]

AMD fanboys just HATE the FACT Intel is SUPERIOR

[@lotharkarlingi3130]

Its worth noting that at idle/light load high end Ryzen chips often suck more power if you have XMP enabled (which you really want since Ryzen benefits heavily from memory speed to a point) since they still have a 12nm memory controller. I was a little dissapointed with my idle power draw on my 5900x until I tuned in a curve optimizer profile with ~ -20 offset on most of the cores (my strongest cores could only take -5's and -10's) and dropped 15 watts off it. TL;DR Ryzen efficiency numbers are given at max load and idle power draw requires tuning to maybe get near Intel idle draw if you can hit good curve optimizer values

[@lo1bo2]

Back when I blew money on car leases, I had no fear of getting the first model year. Now that I 100% own cars, definitely waiting longer.

[@rubnim4870]

You got a point there. I'd like to see AM5 in my system, but waiting some months isn't a bad idea.

[@Danielsworlds]

part of the benefit of AM4 so far has been that they have supported so many generations of processors on one socket. It has really allowed them to rule the mother board space because a bios update is all it takes to get a cheeper board working on new hardware in most cases. We're as Intel seems to go out of their way to fuck with you

[@thedave7760]

Sory I am new to this but I now have a TUF mother board with an AMD 30 series am I correct to assume that it wouldn't take a newer 50?

[@Danielsworlds]

@@thedave7760 it can accept a 5000 series cpu but you may have to update your motherboard bios. There's several videos that can help you with that process if you go that rout

[@sdtx1112]

As successful long term as the AM4 platform has been, some will forget the thermal, memory, and peripheral problems that arose with it at various times. I think I'll give the new platform a year or so for the inevitable kinks to be worked out.

[@nyiceone2075]

Upgrade or no upgrade….I digress in every video is a must 😂

[@kitsune2858]

Running AM4 two years now, have 3 PCs in the wild, all AM4 with zero issues. Going to build my last AM4 in May to upgrade my sons PC. Then will wait for AM5 2nd gen to drop before I start building again. Just made my mind up on that as I watched JTC heh.

[@JROCThaGreat]

I'm waiting, but it has nothing to do with AMD, it's DDR5. It's still lack luster, expensive, etc.

[@scottjungle5840]

Great thoughts, thanks. Using B450 board with R5 5600X and 2080 Super. So pretty happy overall, when I struggle with gaming with nice visuals I will go AM5 DDR5 Nvidia 3000 series. So maybe skip first gen AM5 and wait for second gen. I like to lag slightly behind on PC tech to pay last gen prices without sacrificing performance.

[@UTFapollomarine7409]

Same here boss, I'm on b450 2700x with SAM on and I run every game highest settings, yes it's not the fastest but I can slap a 3900xt or 5800x3d in my board and be straight for many more years

[@monke2361]

I agree cause 11th gen intel was bad for the most part but 10th gen got some nice price cuts, got a 10700f for cheap. Wasn't going to wait for 12th gen or zen 4 cause I never buy the latest

[@UTFapollomarine7409]

@@monke2361 exactly 10th gen was my favorite intel line up, that 10850k 20 threads man is decent!

[@makarenkoa]

Not an early adopter. I upgrade things either if they break or if I need them for specific workload that current hardware is not capable of.

[@drac124]

Right now, for me AM4 and AM5 is the same price. Makes no sense to buy AM4 but I really have no patience to take care of bugs and issues.

[@NinjaContravaniaManX]

I will soon build a new gaming rig and I think I'm going with AM4 when AM5 comes out and, hopefully, AM4 prices dropping further. Not yet convinced on the new Intel CPU's with their E-cores causing issues in games and people recommending to turn them off, as well as the bent socket issue.

[@themobster7284]

Prices of the AM4 platform should drop BIG time after AM5 launch.. Meaning i can buy cheap and nice new ZEN III, as i also have 3700x it works great, but want ofc more ipc and clock speed... But not sure wut CPU to pick as 5900x is nice and all, but does not have 3D cache, while on other hand 5700x is really cheap, so there is alot to choose from.....

[@BlissBatch]

I also wanted to build a new gaming rig, and this video has convinced me to wait for second-gen AM5.

[@NinjaContravaniaManX]

@@themobster7284 Same. 3D cache on the one hand, no overclocking on the other. Tough choice.

[@themobster7284]

@@NinjaContravaniaManX Well no one can be sure how much the prices will drop after AM5, i bet they will drop by much.. So choice is go with very cheap 5700x and be happy, or go for 5800x3D that have inferior clock speeds and outside of games and cache dependent programs lower performance, or go for the 5900x and enjoy 35% more cores and more overall performance outside of cache... I think AMD need to release 5900x3D as well, BUT improve somehow the 3D cache, so the CPU to have AT least its original speed...

[@TheFourthWinchester]

@@themobster7284 Remember Nvidia and GPUs? Already forgot?

[@TheFloofyPoofy]

This is what I learned when I upgraded to Alderlake earlier this year.... If your doing a new build/upgrade, Always go to the generation just before the newest gen, that way, theres alot less potential issues.

[@gambino883]

I'm in the process of building a new system with a 5950x and a 6900 xt. My current system is 8 years old and this new system needs to last me at least 5 years if not more. I cba to wait for AM5 to become stable or for Intel to become more value for money. Buying Intel 12th gen with DDR4 is stupid imo.

[@nostrum6410]

isnt generally any big issues, introducing this p/e core is the exception.

[@sp0tb11m]

I'm going AM5. I built an Intel i7-4790K build in 2014 that reached long-in-the-tooth stage in early 2021, right in the middle of the freaking Covid pandemic when nothing was affordable. I've been keeping my system rolling along (with BSOD's here and there) and figured since I waited this long, might as well treat myself to a new platform. I'll also upgrade the display I have as technology has changed a great deal since 2012 when I picked up my current Dell U2312HM 23 inch display.

[@dawienel1142]

Just bought a 5800X3D with a Asus Prime plus B550, 16GB 3600 CL16 and another 1TB pcie4 nvme drive. I was going to just use my current AM4 x370 Asus Strix board with its 16GB 3200MHz CL16 RAM, but decided against it since I still want to use that system as a file server or office PC for my mom as well as an older gaming system for my children. It has served me well so I'm keeping it around. A major reason for this is If I upgrade the bios of the x370 board then I can't go back and will be left with a useless AMD R7-1700. I have a Rtx3080ti in that system btw. (currently mining), since the gaming experience on my Asus Strix G17 laptop (5900HX+RTX3070) is simply just far superior.

[@Timmington14]

i appreciate you giving the heads up of what will come with the new models, as i was just about plan for my new am5 build. so i decided to wait with an am4 build. thank you so much man. you saved me major headache LOL

[@jordon2913]

Please take a look at the 5800X3D, especially if you’re still on Zen2

[@Timmington14]

@@jordon2913 I have and not interested in any 5 zen or 5 Intels. However, those are a great choice for budget wise but streaming focused gotta be 7 or 9 zen or Intel kind in my opinion.

[@Jdogg4089]

@@Timmington14 8 cores is plenty enough, if not then you can even get a 7950x3d that'll do both streaming and gaming. If gaming isn't your main usecase, the regular 7950 would probably be better

[@spaceman7915]

My advice is buy the last latest revision of socket, I.E AM4 with 5000 series Ryzen. Then in 5 -6 years when AM5 is matured or AM6 is about to launch, upgrade again as you get the IPC improvement, faster bus and features. Been doing this for years and a great time to buy is just when the new revision comes out as the prices are usually 30-50% cheaper than at launch. :)

[@SexyBootyFart]

In 5-6 year these new chips will be obsolete

[@Danielxt34]

@@SexyBootyFart No

[@paulworster3683]

PC is 10 years old! i have been waiting to upgrade for well over 2 years (thanks miners and scalpers). I'm going bleeding edge! i can't wait no more!

[@FoivosAngelakis]

I love this guy! He reminds me why I stoped building PCs and went on with mid range laptops..

[@G4r2i0f]

I tend to upgrade after a few generations. I went from i7 5820k to Ryzen 5800x on a custom loop, GTX 1080 to RTX 3070, 16GB DDR4 2400 to 32GB 3200. I don't game as much as a lot of people now a days so I am fine lagging a little behind then do a major upgrade. I love the aspect of DDR5 and PCI-E 5 but that is where patience comes into play.

[@Bass.Player]

I ran a 5820 for two years and it was a pain in the ass...

[@G4r2i0f]

@@Bass.Player I was OC'ing it didn't have that many issues with mine other than difficulty getting a 4.4Ghz all core OC but was using a custom loop on it. My son uses it now with the air cooler and the water cooled loop is in my upgrade.

[@Bass.Player]

@@G4r2i0f They had major design problems. I had to remove all the usb cables at times to get it to boot, I also had to remove all the memory except for one stick to get it to boot at times also. just junk as far as I'm concerned and there is a reason it went away, expensive boat anchor... I ran it 12/15 hours a day for two years

[@annieworroll4373]

I went AM4 for my recent build(5950x specifically). Trying to hold out for AM5 was tempting, but early adopter issues were part of what drove me away. I'm also expecting the performance benefits to be small compared to day one costs. Real, yes, but I'd probably just pay way too much for them given how little they'd affect how quickly I actually get things one. Most of the time I could handle the occasional glitch with a new architecture, but for school, a badly timed glitch could make it hard or impossible to meet a deadline and tank my GPA. I don't expect to jump to AM5 earlier than 8000 series Ryzen, and definitely not before 7000 series unless a massive hardware failure lines up with having a huge pile of money to get an AM5 setup. And at that point Thread Director will be well integrated into the Linux kernel, so I'd also be giving Intel a serious look that I couldn't for this build.

[@dragtrunks]

I just built a new PC a couple weeks ago. I went from a 1700x/1080 to a 5950x/3080Ti. I was an early adopter and to this day, my first gen Crosshair x370 board could never run my RAM in DOCP/XMP settings. I feel like it was a good move to adopt late gen before new architecture came out to avoid compatibility issues. Plus, I'm not entirely sure DDR5 is completely worth it yet.

[@ActuallyGoose]

@@dragtrunks I'm pretty much in the same situation. Have a 1700x and 1080ti, but had so many headaches with my CPU just not running the speed it's supposed to. Definitely planning on jumping on 5000 series when price drops a bit from people going to AM5 since I took my champ spending big money for a new platform and just not having a good time

[@Skyline_NTR]

Also, forget x670 (?) prices. DDR5 pricing is till too spicy and still has "issues" hitting good speeds if you populate all 4 slots (at least on Intel). DDR5 should mature if we wait long enough (just like DDR4 used to be 2666/3200 then years later hit 4000/5000++). That and platform maturity as well (let others be the paying beta testers). I can't see myself upgrading from a 5950x when it does what i need (lots of good IPC cores), at least not for a generation or 2 (ryzen 8000?). Had they made a 5950X3D, I might have.

[@matthewsmith2385]

Hi how are ya I'ma hold out from upgrading my 5900x for at least 4 more years I'ma throw it in a water-cooling loop that's why

[@CornFed_3]

Your last paragraph makes no sense. The 7000 series CPUs will be Gen 1 of AM5 desktop units. After that, it’ll be 9000 series.

[@90RODan]

Hey, Jay is talking about "day 1". It's been almost a year since then. So relax.

[@kristine4167]

I have a 5800X on a X570, so i am currently sticking to AM4, however once the platform matures and i feel i need an upgrade, i'll switch to AM5. The last many years i've been on the Intel platform and i am actually quite happy that i have switched to the AMD platform.

[@KinGDGaminG63]

Why

[@kristine4167]

@@KinGDGaminG63 because early adoption usually is a bad thing

[@KinGDGaminG63]

@@kristine4167 that's why your happy you switched from Intel?