How Much Longer Will Your SSD Last? How to Tell

[@ThioJoe]

Correction: The 970 Evo Plus actually used TLC, but that just proves my point even more about improved technology.

[@umar_07w]

why did i think you were talking about the channel tlc

[@oceanix91]

Cool

[@bibekanandaghoshroy3904]

Hey there, I want to thank you for the knowledge in your videos, before 1-2 months, I didn't knew many things about a computer, but after watching your videos, I know every basic about it, Thank you for these, just love you :D

[@VJ234.5]

Can flash drive be scanned as well?

[@AlexanderAntonopoulos]

I have a 850 Pro 256gb bought it in 2014 have used 65TB/150TB. I love the 10y warranty but the 850 Pro is the last one with such big warranty, all the newer ones go up to 5 years.

[@janferenc316]

I switched to a SSD October last year when my 11 year old hard drive failed. I still can't believe the speed difference

[@neil1050]

Did You Mean : Believe

[@monke2361]

11 years damn

[@janferenc316]

@@monke2361 yeah I got it in December 2009

[@Industry-insider]

Did you get an m.2?

[@garcjr]

I'm still using a hard drive from 2009. It just stores files now I don't have my OS or any applications on it.

[@someoneoncesaid6978]

Something to consider with SSD drives is to get the largest capacity that you can and don't fill it up. The larger percentage of the drive you fill up, the less space it'll have to spread around new writes. So, if you get a 1TB drive and put 900GB of files on it that's reasonably static, then have a process that reads/writes a lot of data (like a system swap file) to the remaining 100GB left, it's going to wear out a lot faster than if you started with a 2TB drive and has 1.1TB of free space to spread those writes around.

[@michaeld5888]

One problem I find is Microsoft in their Windows system still seem after all this time totally unaware that 2 or more drives can be installed in a PC. So if you have a small bootup SSD and a large standard drive it is a constant struggle getting data on to the other drive minimising writes to the SSD

[@MrColoradomike]

There are some apps that refuse to be installed on any drive other than C: 😡

[@someoneoncesaid6978]

@@MrColoradomike - Applications generally aren't a problem. The install files they create are mostly static - they're written to the drive once during installation, and then read over and over but not modified when the program is run. At most, there may be some small config files that get updated each time you run it. I'm trying to think back, and can't think of anything I've come across in the past 20 years or so that insist on being installed on C:, but can't be configured to store the active data files (like a database or temp files) that get modified a lot as the program runs in another location. Honestly, Microsoft's OS has largely been the worst thing I can come up with as far as putting files on the boot drive that get constantly updated and there's not any easy way (thought there are usually ways through the registry) to make it write them to another location. The pagefile and the search index are probably the worst, but they can be configured through the OS and you don't have to modify the registry directly. If I have an SSD as a boot drive, I go in and set the pagefile to zero (make sure you have a large amount of physical memory if you do this) and change the search index storage location to a non-SSD drive.

[@BlackSun3Tube]

Right. But it's true not only for SSDs, but for every kind of disk ;)

[@someoneoncesaid6978]

@@BlackSun3Tube - Not really. Hard drives (magnetic media) have an almost unlimited amounts of writes to a segment, since the write heads don't make physical contact with the drive, and the magnetic material pretty much never wears out. Hard drives are massively more likely to fail due to mechanical parts wearing out rather than the recording medium failing. But, with newer SSDs, you can get failures from writing to a segment in as little as a thousand times (if using QLC), which is nothing for a swapfile or database.

[@turbomeows]

Its weird how your channel is now a legitimate source of information because I remember your old videos lol

[@Javier64691]

Yeah, what blows my mind even more about it is that he legitimately have a lot of knowledge to the point that you at least learn something new from him, even if you already know a lot.

[@Deluxeta]

I miss these a lot but I love the new "legit" content too.

[@HectorTorress]

I still have a hard time believing the info he gives xD

[@coronavirus4955]

HOW TO TURN YOUR NINTENDO 64 INTO A WORKING PS7 WITH 8K 300FPS

[@sahilpraveen7008]

🤣🤣

[@captainkuijt]

I think most people severely underestimate the lifespan of an SSD. I'm using a Kingston 480GB HyperX SSD. This has been my main drive since 2013. It's by no means a new SSD with all the latest technology. In fact, this was back when SSDs were finally becoming mainstream. It has gone through six Windows reinstallations and countless big-sized games being installed and uninstalled. It's still working just as well as it did ten years ago!

[@Emeric62]

I have the same drive in 960GB but i stopped using it because of a faulty SATA connector (it doesn't "click" when you plug the cable in so every other day it disconnects itself and the OS freeze, even though it's not my system drive (i guess a solution would have been to use hot glue)

[@bilalsadiq1450]

I love this story, but it'll be cool if you came back to this comment and edited it and add the date it (eventually) died so we can see how long they can last lol

[@SergSpace]

It's not about how long you have it but how many times you re-write the sectors on it.

[@KonglomeratYT]

@@SergSpace "Well I've never had that problem" is so annoying, isn't it? The average person can be so sure a problem doesn't exist, or isn't as bad as it is, just because they haven't experienced it lol. And it is usually for a really obvious reason.

[@lumeronswift]

@@bilalsadiq1450 I mean they already told us that their HDD died 11 years ago... so this SSD has already lasted as long as a HDD

[@jerryfacts9749]

When I was working in support for a large company, in my section I was supporting over a hundred of computers. They were changing the computers every 3 to 4 years. They were using standard medium cost SSDs. After about two years I was seeing about a 3% failure rate. During the 4th year I was seeing maybe a 5% failure. These computers were used many hours per day. Most of the work was for writing spread sheets and text documents. During work breaks and lunch hours many of the users were watching videos, and going on social media.

[@osamabinladen824]

They should have sticked to hard drives then?

[@grn1]

Early SSDs had a lot of issues but if it got worse instead of better then I'd say they were probably just cheaply made (cost != quality).

[@syarifairlangga4608]

wait .. so HDD is more durable ?? except from laptop because we carry laptop everywhere

[@grn1]

@@syarifairlangga4608 It's complicated. If you keep a HDD in a single spot and make sure it's never improperly shut down (improper shut downs can cause the head to crash into the platter) then it may last longer than an SSD. SSDs can take more physical abuse since they don't have a spinning platter/mechanical parts to worry about and under light load will probably last longer (they don't have as many write cycles but there's no mechanical parts to wear out). SSDs are probably more resilient to magnets as well. Of course no matter how good an HDD is it will never operate as fast as a good SSD. The story shared above seems odd to me and makes me think they were either using low quality SSDs sold at a premium or very early ones that didn't have nearly as many write cycles or as good of thermal management. Early SSDs had a lot of issues with overheating which can be greatly exasperated by dusty environments. Modern SSDs can still overheat easier than an HDD but it's a lot more rare (overcooling an SSD may also damage it).

[@syarifairlangga4608]

@@grn1 yeah look like hdd is last longer. But the speed of hdd make people less peoductive.

[@hussein_286]

I was just searching for the same title of this video when yours popped out !!! That is insane 😯🤪

[@Hypermegacron]

same mee

[@G0lden07]

Don't worry my SSD is immortal

[@raven4k998]

you know that when your ssd dies there will be one upside you will no longer be able to get a virus on that ssd ever again muhahahahahahahahaha because it goes into a read only mode when they die

[@wowulam7411]

@breezetix dont know about you but it was actually kinda funny. Except for the muhahahhaa part.

[@solelgammal]

lol

[@sang3Eta]

No they become unreadable too. Eventually they are unable to remember your data when the power is switched off. If you never switch the power off it might be immortal.

[@Unkn0wnz_anon]

@@sang3Eta now it can beat my 23 yo floppy disk

[@Tarwada_]

my laptop's ssd has been alive for about 10 years or a bit less and it's still working. people, don't worry yourself about ssd's lifespan

[@sarthakjoshi693]

Can you please mention your laptop uses, what all you have used it for

[@Tarwada_]

@@sarthakjoshi693 primarily for gaming and video rendering

[@amrh.maysara621]

hello mohammed, I bought an ssd and I am scared about the fact that it may fail. could you help me to know shold I check my SSD's health every hour or what ... I AM SCARED 😥 If you speak Arabic Please tell me that would make it easier to understand! waiting for your response!!

[@Tarwada_]

@@amrh.maysara621 يا حبيبي ما يحتاج تشييك على عمر الاس اس دي الافتراضي، اشتري شي مضمون زي سامسونج او كروشال و لاتشيل هم.

[@amrh.maysara621]

@@Tarwada_ اهلا، معاك عمرو من مصر، بص .. أنا معايا Kingston A400 و الـ TBW هو 80 تيرا .. اي رأيك في الاس اس دي دا و انا راضي بس يعيش 5 سنين .. تخيل يا محمد بقيت أستعمل الجهاز و انا خائف و بقلل من تثبيتي للبرامج للحفاظ عليه! ما رأيك في كينجستون!؟ و آسف لو عطلتك الموضوع عاملي ازمه كل يوم افتح Crystaldiskinfo و كل ما 1% ينزل ازعل و أكون مكتئب .. اي العمل! ..

[@maxpayne69.]

ProTip: You should probably use a small persistent ramdisk (using something like IMDisk) for your browsers & especially if you love to have tons of tabs open or stream a lot. FF for example can write 50-90GB per day unknown to you just by having various tabs open or steaming because it’s continuously writing to the cache folder & profile folder (lots of sqlite files). I once found that my SSD got 3TB written just in about 2 months & reads had increased by 25TB! Migrating browser data to a ramdisk brought it down to 5-8GB/day.

[@seansingh4421]

I tried doing that but I couldn’t figure out how to use the Safari browser on the RAM drive

[@MEOW-sh9qz]

How big is your ram?

[@maxpayne69.]

@@MEOW-sh9qz just 16GB. About 767MB for the ramdisk. Its really a cool set-and-forget kind of a deal.

[@Kartoffelchen]

@@maxpayne69. Do you know a side where it is explained how to do a ramdisk for a browser? Max Payne: one of the greatest games!

[@claudej8805]

If you've got enough Ram, then windows shouldn't use the Pagefile at all. Or you could even disable the pagefile. No ?

[@pendant_animations8757]

You have given me more information than the writings in the ssd's . Wow . Love your work . Keep updating us.

[@theonlybilge]

I remember hearing around two years ago from (I think) a high school computing teacher that a good idea was to have extremely long term backup/storage be an HDD, especially since they typically have greater capacity than SSDs and they can give signs that they're starting to fail, but for usability (since they're so fast) you should use an SSD as your actual main drive.

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

I'm still amazed that even in 2021, if you want it to last for freaking ever, you put it on tape. Once it's on a tape, you can basically store that thing forever.

[@jpHasABadHandle]

@@Mostlyharmless1985 But doesn't the magnetic tape lose its magnetism over time?

[@Mostlyharmless1985]

@@jpHasABadHandle No, not really. I'm sure in the timeframe beyond humanity it would degrade, I still have regular floppy disks that still work that are over 40 years old. A greater concern would be losing the hardware to read the tape or it physically breaking.

[@gabrielandy9272]

@@jpHasABadHandle in theory yes, but when the time is bigger than you lifetime it don't really matter anymore unless you are a company that don't die and need data for longer....

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

The thing is, when a SSD fails, you can mostly say farewell to your data, except the luckiest event of write-protected flash, when you can see the data and read them. When a HDD fails, you still have chance to recover your data, depending on how it failed. It´s always good to make backups of your data. Having backups of backups is also good.

[@runforitman]

Thank you for telling me about this my main media drive has a caution so im now backing it up in preparation to replace it A new drive is cheaper than data recovery

[@ewanmcdonagh2827]

My first SSD was a Drevo 256gb one, it lasted about 3 months and I wrote just a few terabytes to it. I’ve used other brands ever since just for my own piece of mind and my Crucial is still going strong

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

I bought my first and only SSD a 120 GB Crucial in 2013 and it's still working fine.

[@losttale1]

@@UncompressedWAVmusic SLC Dinosaur bro

[@TheFriok]

3 months? Damn that's a small amount of time i have a samsung drive with 256gb and it lasted way longer than 3 months

[@ewanmcdonagh2827]

@@TheFriok been using a Crucial 256gb for 6 years in the same computer and still at around 80% health showing in SMART

[@williampaabreeves]

Im still using an MX100 and BX100, both MLC SSDs from 2015. They have been incredibly resilient and outperform newer QLC SSDs for latency

[@saifullahsajjad5700]

I was literally researching ALL of this last night and then this video comes out today 😂

[@AuralVirus]

your thoughts are being read.... mobile phones are the devils work

[@saifullahsajjad5700]

@@AuralVirus 😂

[@UmVtCg]

Statisticly some of the watchers of this video will. It's nothing special

[@f0ul0u]

Upgrading from HDD to SSD is worth the investment. I have purchased the earlier version of Intel SSD (very costly then and only around 100-250gigs If I remember it correctly) and until now it is still works fine. I had to switch it to Samsung SSDs though so I can make use of Samsung Magician. I transferred it to my laptop using a caddy and it still amazes me how faster the laptop boots now and no more freezing.

[@stephensnell5707]

Hard Drives are always going to be the best

[@norfintorkjoe8925]

Checked my 850 Pro and it had used 50TBW of 75TBW. Thanks for the awesome tips - ordered a replacement 870 EVO 1TB with 600TBW today! Winning!

[@JosephM101]

My first-ever SSD was a Samsung 850 EVO that I got back in Christmas 2014 as a gift to upgrade my laptop. Never before had I seen boot speeds so fast! I still have the drive and it still works great. Not using it as my main drive anymore, but for transferring/storing large files portably, it's very useful.

[@paarthureddy2708]

People who use HDDs: This makes perfect sense.

[@palashdutta382]

Lol

[@TheArtofKAS]

😂😂😂😂

[@KSPAtlas]

I use a HDD cause I got a prebuilt with one and it has a warranty that stops me from opening it up

[@palashdutta382]

Lmao

[@mattp12]

Hard disk drive drives

[@SlinxTheFox]

This crystaldiskinfo program is great. seeing my TBW is super useful and really relieves some anxiety i had about how much writing space i'd used. 32/400TB is not bad at all for my lil 512GB 960 PRO

[@TheGreyfoo]

Turns out I have exactly the same Samsung 850 PRO 1TB as you, and had concerns it was old enough to be unsafe - but thanks to CrystalDiskInfo it's only at 13441 GB Total Host Writes, and 99% Good. I'll still be replacing it later this year (hopefully) with a bigger, modern TLC on a new rig, but it sure is nice to have the extra piece of mind it isn't likely to drop dead anytime soon (regardless of having it backed up). Thanks so much!

[@Spike4697]

And i used to have to reset my computer like once a month because of viruses now i havent had to reset in half a year thank you. you are the best youtube channel ever i have been watching you for a long time now thank you

[@_SJ]

The only KZbin channel I decided to join 🙂

[@amvywavy]

noice

[@vampirethespiderbatgod9740]

@Peter Fraser Yes, we learn to download more technologies in our computers which can also be downloaded.

[@hulksmash8159]

He makes plenty of money off of ads.

[@michaelgrauvogl]

I have the same old Samsung SSD (850 pro 1tb) inside my PC. Few years ago i read a article about this drive. They tested how much TBW is possible. The first one broke after 3000TBW and the second one after 9000TBW. So 1000% to 3000% more than Samsung told us :)

[@maxx1o1]

I mean I have an 860 1TB that's about two years old but I've only put 24~ish TB on it so I have no idea how long it'll last me. most likely longer than my computer.

[@Melrieoi]

2015 850 evo 250gb at 172tb out of 75tb, no issues encountered. Allthough CrystalDiskInfo is showing "Good 33%" status. So possibly very mutch on the decline but idk what the percentage means.

[@vishalgiraddi5357]

Even though SSDs are more reliable than HDDs in general, but when they do fail, it's much easier to recover data from HDDs than SSDs

[@williampaabreeves]

usually because the HDD platters themselves dont fail, the read/write arm does. SSDs most common failure is the NAND itself so the data is first to go

[@Cheffamily]

i'm gonna cry

[@ChibiKeruchan]

I thought SSD turns to "read only" when it fails.

[@williampaabreeves]

@@ChibiKeruchan usually they do, but not always

[@DarkVeghetta]

@@ChibiKeruchan I've seen other commenters mention that that's an enterprise feature that activates once the TBW are used up and, hence, a failure is expected if write operations continue.

[@uncrunch398]

I personally see greater benefit to SLC stacked optimally than moving to higher bit per cell densities. Most likely wearing down higher bit cap cells will run us out of constituent materials faster than sticking to the lower capacity per cell block. Data centers need a different strategy to avoid running out of capacity.

[@renee3461]

My Intel 535 SSD that was 5 1/2 years old just died last week. Seems like a short life span especially because I only use my computer for a few hours a week and I'm not doing heavy writing. Just bought the Evo Plus 970, so I'm hoping that'll last longer.

[@nilsfrahm1323]

Oops, I also have that ssd. A few years ago, me and other people complained on Intel forums about 535 ssd firmware issue, it would write lime 2gb every few minutes when idle. They gave a firmware and we installed it, but that firmware was not put in the official tool, so other people won't know about it. Second thing, ssd cells need refresh from time to time, if you keep pc mostly off, it will not have time to run a background self check and refresh. Even better would be to run a read surface scan from time to time, as it gives it a change to refresh cells that have weaker charge. Cells leak electrons over time and the higher room temp, the quicker the process. An ssd turned off, can only hold data up to a year, in normal temps, like under 30C. This is a JEDEC standard.

[@Aetila]

@@nilsfrahm1323 And that's why I don't trust them, lol. I have ancient external harddrives (12-15 y.o.) with no data degradation.

[@danteerskine7678]

@@Aetila yea. Try using the trash HDD that Seagate and Wd , Hitachi are selling and see how long your data will stay on them. I use external drives for reading purpose, and using HDD is simply stupid. SSD can withstand read cycles because read cycles don't affect SSD health. A SSD can easily outlast a HDD as long as it's plugged in twice a year to refresh data, this is the sine qua non conditions for keeping a SSD running.

[@Aetila]

@@danteerskine7678 But I do what you suggest, lol. I have ANCIENT HDD drives in my room, like 10-15 years old stuff and NO DATA LOSS so far, it's pretty crazy because I thought they would be faulty, but no. On the other hand, I had some USB drives and they got corrupted after a while, with minimal use. I also read that SSD WILL lose data no matter what because of that advanced tech, they catch an electron an keep it in place, it marks a "bit"...but with time the electron will disappear thanks to the "quantum tunneling effect"...so it won't be as reliable as a HDD. I have among others a Dell laptop (E6400), it's 15 years old with a Fujitsu HD...AND it's still good, checked with a HDD app, no damaged sectors yet, it's just insane, lol...but it's slow like hell, I use that laptop as a music sequencer nowadays, so I speak from experience. Peace

[@Royan1900]

I really appreciate the work you do, explaining important things in great detail while still keeping it simple and practical. 🙏😁👍

[@kaczan3]

One upside of harddrives is that they usually give you liek amonth or two of warning by making werid sounds.

[@edalder2000]

Crystal DiskInfo is great. I have a Samsung 860 Evo 1TB. I figure for most use cases, an SSD should outlast any other component on a computer.

[@maxx1o1]

yeah I've got mine in my build 5 year old build. it's got 97% life left but I'd say the rest of my computer only has about 40% if I were to guess.

[@MarkWhich]

I got just a 60Gig SSD which is over 15 years old, it's still useful, doesn't feel as fast when I originally brought it though.

[@wolfytechs]

age is the culprit but try to trim it. how many tbw? What's the model?

[@donwilliams6266]

Great job informing us of what we need to know about our ssd usable lifespan. I will receive my second nvme drive tomorrow. I will use it for bulk storage. My current nvme is for boot c drive stuff. As soon as I finish this note to you, I will be checking my drive health. Should be interesting since it is a 5 year old Plextor. Thanks for the training tip.

[@pickachublast8]

I've always had that program installed but never knew it could show TWB, thank you so much! I love your videos!

[@LCTesla]

one thing that's often overlooked is that those new NVME drives are a lot more vulnerable to physical impact... I destroyed one of mine while trying to push down the clamp on the PCI connector on my GPU with a screw driver, hitting the NVME drive instead... only a tiny part on the corner was broken off, but that made it a total loss.

[@thomasfink2385]

I have been looking for years to measure the error count on my 2 HD SW RAID and for hours to google a solution. No hit! CrystalDiskInfo did it. Golden Hint. A thousand thumbs up to you!!

[@DarkGamerA]

You always read my mind... I just bought SSD crucial 250gb and was wondering this... Thanks bro

[@George_K1]

Keep doing what you are doing ... EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.... OUTSTANDING

[@hendersonribeirobrandina2120]

First I skipped your video on the suggestions thinking "it can not be legit... it's that guy...". But it's acctually legit!!! That's good! You got a bad reputation here, man. I'm happy you changed the vibe on your channel! Now you're really helping us with your knowledge. THANK YOU. Congrats from Brazil.

[@batvanio]

Actually, there are two values of the SSD write. One total and one I guess is related to those SSDs that have their own cache memory SLC. Also, for longer life, it is recommended to set a certain percentage as unformatted to reduce wear and tear. It is recommended that at least 10% be unformatted.

[@claudej8805]

Never heard of that. Doesn't make any sense.

[@batvanio]

@@claudej8805 Actually there is. However, there are two types of memory in most cases. One is the storage itself and the other is just for temporary storage. The two values are called: "Total Host Writes" and "Total NAND Writes".

[@arthurwintersight7868]

Alternatively: Just leave about 10% of the drive unused.

[@josephshaff5194]

And a backup plan. In the planning or R&D I guess for home. Mainly use home training in Engineering & Science stuff including video games for idea generation.

[@magnum6674]

As long as you arent doing real time backups, or have a page file sourced, your ssd will outlive the lifespan of wanting to build a new computer because of advancing technology. I have ssds from 11 years ago that still run and use they everyday.

[@wolfytechs]

wow may I ask what brands? and what TBW?

[@escapetherace1943]

@@wolfytechs I do to and just like the guy in the video I got a samsung. Samsung SSDs are the most track proven I'd also trust Crucial and Western Digital

[@Venaloid]

This is awesome, thank you so much! I've been worried about my SSD, but wasn't sure how to check its remaining life, and it turns out I'm very likely okay, so thank you!

[@windowsxpprofessional]

Best person who gives computer info

[@ChanceSMBX]

agreed

[@bsaulgoodman]

he's the best

[@luminous2585]

January 2015 I bought an SSD from Crucial 128gb capacity and connected via SATA. With almost 8 years of use it's practically ancient now. Back then Crucial didn't even have TB written as a condition for their warranty (they only added it sometime in 2017) Well, the three year warranty is over now, and it has over 50TB written or 400 times its capacity. Crystal disk still reports 53% health and labels it as "good" I don't know at what point it will label it something else or if I'll still have this drive before I find out :D

[@minixtvbox]

That's terrible it should have 150tb min failure, so 50tb and 50% is awful

[@nenume00]

​@@minixtvboxbruth it's 8 years old....

[@lordchaos3819]

They can last a long time..I have one of the old Crucial C300 SSDs, that is a decade old and despite it having been used for many years as C drive and other uses, it still to this day function fine.

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

I bought my first and only SSD a 120 GB Crucial in 2013 and it's still working fine

[@Nikioko]

Deactivating cells and re-allocating sectors is still much safer than a head crash of a HDD. An SSD will still be readable after some cells failed, but a HDD is dead after a head crash. That's why you built a RAID array, for redundant data storage.

[@ThisCatLikesCrypto]

3:19 That means my drive can have it's whole capacity written to it daily for 5 years!

[@gikar1948]

Thank you for the very useful info. You are the best at explaining tech stuff to us everyday computer users.

[@WajahatProductions]

Wow Thio! This was amazing. :)

[@TheDude50447]

Iirc I read somewhere that SSDs will generally turn into a read only mode shortly before all the data is lost.

[@TheBigBigSean]

I was worried about my 4 year old SSD, turns out I've only used 10% of TBW. Nice!

[@maxx1o1]

yeah if you keep good care of it(i.e. don't have the pc on for short amounts of times and keep it cool.) it should last more than a decade. at least from my math, though I don't think it'll preform the same in the later parts of it's life.

[@_hector__]

@@maxx1o1 what do you mean by dont have the pc on for short amounts of times?

[@maxx1o1]

@@_hector__ well if you're doing work and saving/downloading stuff then have it on for at least 30 minutes after you're done and you should be good.

[@maxx1o1]

@@_hector__ ssd's need to "ware-level" so that it doesn't die early due to just one or two bad sectors.

[@fabixigg3954]

my ssd is 8 years old and I have used 34% TBW.

[@worldsbestfun]

KZbin Should Send You The "Best KZbin Channel on All Of KZbin," Number 1 Award! ;-) Hands down, You are by Far the Best! Most Sincerely, New Member Mark. ;-)

[@anormalusername]

Hi Thio! My SSD actually uses Mean Time Between Failures (OR # of years since purchase, whichever comes first) to determine warranty, used by SanDisk. My SSD is rated for "1.75M hrs MTBF" (or 3 year warranty) which I'm not sure I fully understand how to read, but Googling returned that MTBF is calculated by operational hours divided by number of failures in that period. Fortunately I'm at 7,418 hours with no "Fail" counts, but I'm fairly certain 3 years passed some time ago.

[@DarkVeghetta]

Most SSDs have both values - Endurance, measured in TBW and MTTF/MTBF, measured in hours. SanDisk is a Western Digital brand, so you could go to their website and see the actual specs (find the product and go down to the "Download Product Guide" option). MTTF is usually ~200 years these days, so that's become a non-factor for newer SSDs. However, the TBW value of most consumer SSDs is still an important factor. Of note, is that higher speeds usually mean lower TBW values. Personally, I prefer high Endurance and mid read/write speeds for NVMe drives (~3k is fine for me atm), but most prefer chart-topping speeds over long-term reliability.

[@weee1049]

i have had a lot of mechanical drive failures (12 or so) and only had one that gave me advanced notice, so i found it interesting that he pointed out ssd dont generally give failure warning signs, that is my experience with physical drives too. knock on wood i have had zero failures with ssd drives i have been using at my business, currently about 20 of them running, some pushing the decade mark.

[@TankFavoriter]

Man your house is so hot then..

[@woodrat2296]

Thanks for the info. Good to know. I'll be sticking to HDD for the time being I think. IMHO, not quite ready for prime time.

[@EntangleMyWebs]

The performance difference is insane. Unless you're downloading a TB of stuff daily, there's nothing to worry about.

[@cliffsloane6548]

I have so many questions, but with 1,500 previous comments, I'll take the chance and post a few. 1. How does using partitions and virtual machines affect the whole SSD? Based on your comments about reallocation, I assume it makes no difference, and writing to a small VM counts as writing to the whole drive. 2. I always thought that failure in a SSD comes at once, and no bad signs are evident like clicking sounds in a HDD. Is that not true? Can I actually use SMART and scanning for bad sectors to anticipate the day? 3. How about a nand-based device like a Kindle? Can I predict its remaining life by scanning for bad sectors? I hope @ThioJoe sees this.

[@siminc7905]

Note that the SSD doesn't not die when it's reaches the actual TBW. It just becomes read only.

[@stephensnell5707]

You mean does not die

[@Leonhart_93]

Huh? That sounds really weird, never heard that piece of information. Of course it doesn't just die, but he also said in the video that it may last way past that, as in you can likely keep writing to it for a long time.

[@jameskronewitter2067]

Samsung SSD 970 EVO 1TB 1000.2 GB = 1.086 PB TBW (Manufacturer Max TBW 600TB) (Please don't post wrong info just incase people believe you)

[@-_lIl_-]

yeah, as it has built-in protection

[@miketrissel5494]

@@jameskronewitter2067 Thank you for adding this, because the terms he was using were very perplexing. Dead is die, but failure is like going deaf. There is a big difference. And the word 'sector' was also kind of twisted. A spinning disk has sectors, a SSD has storage addresses.

[@CostlyFiddle]

First of your content I have seen & is a very good video both quality & content! Welcome to my algorithm!

[@existentialerasure]

I was looking at getting a Mac with their M1 chip. It seems they are having ssd problems. Timely video!

[@jpHasABadHandle]

Using swap like crazy

[@computernerdtechman]

Normal writing of static files that don't change much is one thing, but what about SSD's in database servers where small bytes of data (say updating constantly changing data) are updated to the drive all day long (10,000 times per hour). When you write to an SSD, it doesn't just write out that one 32bit number, it writes out the WHOLE PAGE of that storage location. So updating one 32bit number actually writes a whole page (Common page sizes are 2K, 4K, 8K, or 16K, with 128 to 256 pages per block. Block size therefore typically varies between 256KB and 4MB). When an SSD erases, it generally erases an entire block at a time. So updating a 32 bit (4 byte) number in 10,000 different records in one hour will not have used 40,000 bytes of wear on your total write count. It could have used a significantly LARGER amount since it writes out whole pages for EACH 32bit write. And this doesn't even include "Wear balancing" writes. Anybody ever did a study on large quantities of small data writes updating records in a database on SSD's?

[@AintPopular]

How long a 1tb last say if move around 40gb each day

[@MrMouzaki]

great joe , u had to wait till untill i was going to buy an sdd to make this video so i hesistate thanks

[@themessy001]

Just buy one, why hesitate?

[@MrMouzaki]

@@themessy001 just joking , if i decide to buy i will buy no matter what anyone say

[@ChibiKeruchan]

6:35 is there really need for a back up? if I'm not mistaken if the ssd is about to fail it will turn into a "read only" which mean you can clone it even if it already fails. the only time you can't recover or hard to recover files on an SSD is when it was cut to half, broken from short circuit, water damaged, etc etc.

[@GeekFurious]

Wait, mine is rated for 2,940 TB but has only written 35? THIS THING IS GOING TO LIVE FOREVER.

[@derrickf2]

This video has been my eye opener! I'm not yet good at these IT things but I've got an idea now and will not fall into unnecessary computer drama. let me subscribe as well and learn slowly slowly on what can be applicable on my side. Thx for the video

[@ElectroLich]

Man, you are so underrated, in views

[@wolverine974801]

Incredibly informative stuff. Glad I subscribed to your channel. Thanks.

[@grn1]

Something he didn't mention, to my understanding, the fewer bits per cell there are the faster the SSD can perform but the more expensive it is to produce/buy (and I think they heat up more but that's not much of an issue for an SSD).

[@stephensnell5707]

Heat also affects SSDs and will cause them to fail faster

[@grn1]

@@stephensnell5707 When I made my original comment it wasn't much of an issue but some modern SSD's have reached a point where they need cooling to avoid a meltdown (more storage and higher speeds/higher power consumption in a tiny form factor).

[@avndoon]

Thanks for the valuable Info on CrystalDiskInfo. Using this from now on :)

[@TECHDOCTOR91]

really good detailed video ...i had been searching for 2 weeks..now i found original thank you so much..

[@robindegen2931]

I would argue that any data stored on any disk in your desktop should be "non essential". If it is essential, make sure it's backed up somewhere so it becomes non-essential on your desktop. If both ssd's in my desktop break right now, it's only a bit of a hassle but not an actual problem.

[@zaizenz7262]

THANK U VERY VERY MUCH !!!!!..just found out i NEED to change my SSD, U save me from DISASTER !!!

[@ingoma79]

I understand that SSDs are the future. They are really good and fast compared to HDD drives. But, there is one situation when classic HDD is better. I mean, complete disk failure. Due to the fact that the HDD is mechanical, it can be repaired and the data stored on it can be recovered. However, a damaged SSD is a total disaster because data recovery is practically impossible, and even if it is possible to recover data, it is expensive and demanding. SSD for daily work 100% yes, and HDD as a medium for archiving valuable (vacation photos, important documents, etc.) data that can not be redeemed in any way. I know personally a situation when a friend had a fire, the computer and other things burned down, but the HDD platters were not destroyed. After cleaning and transplanting into a new disk, 70% of the data was recovered. The face of the computer owner is priceless. So personally, I think that the best solution is to have both types of discs in a PC. For the System, data and e.g. games that require fast SSD data flow. HDD is better for data archiving.

[@hanionline563]

so it's better to store imortant files in HDD then SSD ?

[@Twitch_Moderator]

I personally like to look at SSD drives with an understanding of how many complete writes for the drive's life expectancy. I only use Samsung EVO drives. I have an EVO from 7 years ago (even though it is supposed to only last 5 years). It is my OS drive. It hasn't been written on very much. I check the SSD for failures or quirks all of the time. Flawless. 100%. In each test. Then my other drives are 4x 1TB Samsung EVO drives. I trust them more than my HDDs for data storage. Technology has come a long way. SSD drives are not constrained to a deteriorating timeline like they used to. It's more about the writing capacity over time more so.

[@AAvfx]

*My life just got more complicated!* 😹

[@somerandostuff.]

verified mfs boutta steal top comment

[@Kyugorn]

And this is why I am skeptical about moving to them. Speed is nice but when longjevity is strictly limited, we tend to have a problem.

[@Morpheus-pt3wq]

@@Kyugorn the drive will probably fail sooner, than you reach the TBW value, which still isn´t the end of it - TBW only means a guaranteed value by manufacturer - final value depends on the quality of cells and also luck. I am still using SSD, i bought 6 years ago. It has 72TB TBW limit, which i never ever reached and i´m not limiting the amount of writes onto it. That said, i´m not using it on the main rig anymore, but it´s still in use.

[@troytaylor1913]

On my workstation, I put the OS on SSD and a swap file on a 10K rpm mechanical drive. Since a swap file would wear an SSD out, putting a swap file on the mechanical drive seems to work good that way.

[@TheArtofKAS]

Wow a nice simplification of ssds. I always had a feeling they operated on flash of some sort. But this was just nice. 👌🏾

[@stephensnell5707]

However,Hard Drives last even longer than SSDs ever will

[@TheArtofKAS]

@@stephensnell5707 you're very right. Hard drives will always be better for longer-term stores than ssds

[@meyers0781]

4:45 "only two years old" Wrote around 50TB What the things you do? I have recorded around 1TB per month and i often install and uninstall large (around 50-100gb) games and often uninstall it whenever i done. Not actually Warzone but of the equivalent size. As for recordings and such i point out external hard drives as output.

[@scoopy24alt89]

ayyyy hes uploading way more:)

[@EvanDunn414]

Thanks so much for all the posts you put up; they have been very helpful with a lot of things. Keep up the good work.😀

[@ClasKack]

nice timing, my ssd died a couple days ago

[@Iconoclasher]

I have a 19 year old Apple Emac with 4 external mechanical HDs. They've been running continuously since 2004. One is a 120GB Maxtor that's been running since 2000. Of all the computers I've had since 1990 I've only had one HD failure. What's always puzzled me is why they work at all. 🤔

[@one_step_sideways]

If you hardly ever turn them off, that would explain it - the number one cause of death for hard drives that kills them prematurely is the high number of powen-on cycles. This is why datacenters still use hard drives, especially for cloud storage.

[@Xzanah]

Hey, ThioJoe! I just happened upon this video, seems you definitely know more about storage technologies than I do. I've been trying to make a large backup of files I don't intend to touch apart from reading for decades, but I'm unsure how best to make a drive last that way. Any suggestions? Edit: yeah I watchthe video I just can't understand LOL

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

Extremely helpful and somewhat obscure info. Thanks so much man

[@Xnoob545]

It was hard to track down and get the information for it, but my laptop ssd is rated for 75TBW and I've used about 2.2TB

[@jimmydandy9364]

Something not a lot of KZbinrs talk about and it is very sneaky - The TBW can be very misleading - some endurance tests done by reviewers showed many SSDs could last way past their rated TBW, in the PB, however all these tests are flawed an were based on sustained writing. If you use an SSD for mainly storage and not a lot of writing of individual files, it can last well past its TBW however a drive that exceeds its TBW becomes VERY unreliable, the risk of data corruption and loss due to leaks / bit flipping becomes much higher - just because one can use a drive well past its TBW to write to, does not mean the data will be safe - EVEN if you have an OP reserve, and actually they mention that TLC is good for 1000 cycles, it is not tricky, these memory cells are reliable for 20-50 cycles and start to leak past that, it is the SSDs discrete, behind the scenes robust ECC that does a lot of the work, but once the isolation layer becomes worn out after so many writes, eventually degradation will become so bad that drive cannot correct the errors anymore. If you use the SSD as an OS drive where the drive is constantly written to, or if you use an SSD which has frequent writing and erasing of files, it will wear out much faster than its rated TBW, because the mapping table is abused and worn out due to constantly having to be updated - and the OS is constantly wqriting and updating files - so those endurance tests online are misleading - Normally 2 Tb SSD from Samsung for example is rated for 1200 TBW - this again is a false sense of security, the drive could in THEORY last past 1200 TBW, or it could even fail at under 80 TBW !!! it depends on so many things, a drive that is frequently updating files, writing files, erasing files will fail much sooner than its rated TBW, even with wear levelling, even if you have not used up all your reserve or write cycles. I have known a few people who's 600 TBW rated drive failed at 50 TBW. The system area of an SSD apparently does not get wear levelled and is in a fixed location - so yeah the TBW rating gives a false sense of security. SSD technology is CRAP - it is not meant for long term storage of data, and it does not take long before the very thin insulation layer wears out to a level where electrons start to leak and eventually data gets corrupted - so for an OS drive or gaming drive, it's a great thing, but for long term storage NO, never !

[@Narethian]

That's an odd video recommendation from youtube... I just changed my old SSD with a new one (and a HDD from 2009). My old one has "only" 72TBW. Still works but I did not want to risk it. I lost a few HDDs in the last years because I overused them. Lesson learned I guess...

[@WhatThePuckPT]

Conicidentally, KZbin recommends me this 4 days after my 6-year old laptop's NVMe SSD failed.

[@swyeetpodatoparticle]

Hi Thio!

[@unglaubichuberlieber8048]

many thanks for your presentation and the info, it helped me to understand this durability of ssd drive

[@ErraticPT]

Some (mainly enterprise) ssd, will actually switch to read only mode when tbw either hit or exceeded by a certain amount. Reduces chance of data loss at the expense of the drive possibly still having useful life left.

[@piarpeggio]

This was exceptionally helpful. Thanks for making this video!

[@leoprovlogsYT19]

nice video bro thaks :D

[@fishtailfred8686]

Great Video, Thx for making it! I have an old Micro C400 SSD that I was going to throw out because its close to 10 yrs old and the MFG has assigned it as obsolete. I found your video and installed crystalmarkinfo and it reports that its "99% good" with low hours and TBW.

[@almacreativamultimedia]

hi, thanks for the video. I would like to ask you something. In the case of creating a disk to archive data, in which it is written once and is only used to read it at most 100 times, its useful life will be reduced by not using it continuously, or maybe the ssd disks are much better for document filing issues?

[@orngjce223]

For _extremely_ infrequent use like that, magnetic tape is the gold standard for longevity. Magnetic tape can last 30+ years if kept clean, dry, and climate-controlled.

[@Povilaz]

My Samsung SSD 860 EVO 250GB has 150TB TBW or 5 years warranty and I have done 11.249TB Total Host Writes in a year of owning this drive.

[@KangJangkrik]

Imagine if Joe using CrystalDiskInfo weeb edition, that would be hilarious

[@ThePersianYT]

LOL yes

[@battalkenshi]

Thanks for information. After watching video, i was worried about my SSD, then I realized I was at 14TB writes for 120TB life. That is much enough for me but i think still need carefull not installing too much junk. I was using a little bit for useless things. My HDD last 9 years to looking this info my SSD can go over 8 years. If there aren't other circumstances effect life time, using ssd over hdd there are no disavantage for common ordinary users.

[@pessoaanonima6345]

My ssd doesn't show the tb written (kingston a400)

[@theimortal1974]

thanks for the info on using crystal disk info to check the health. i found out one of my external (non ssd) drives are in caution mode. i figured because i was having problems with reading from it sometimes. so now i'm moving all the critical files away into a healthier drive. it's nice to find out there's a problem before a completely failure and i lose everything