Third Century Crisis | Not Diocletian | Roman History | Extra History | Part 3

📜 History of Rome & The Third Century Crisis - A messy and petty assassination plot kills Aurelian after 5 years of ruling. Would Rome be doomed to start the crisis a new? At first, it seemed like it. Emperors rose and fell and were assassinated, died in accidents, etc. Definitely not by the elite commander Diocletian though. Even if Diocletian benefited greatly from the crisis. Like becoming the new Emperor of Rome. Now the civil war and conga line of assassinations and political plotting might make it sound like Diocletian is just another horse on the merry go round of absolute chaos Rome had become. But this new Emperor had BIG ideas.
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[@JohnnyElRed]

Yeah. Those previous emperors were not killed by Diocletian. The same way Diocletian was not holding a sword against the narrator's neck during this episode.

[@skyes4552]

And the same way the writers weren't being held at gunpoint by the ghost of Diocletian

[@deyesed]

Wink with both eyes if you are under duress.

[@lugiasreturn1247]

Aper was the name of the guy who supposedly killed Numerian(us) (Carus' eastern son)

[@drippinproductions1472]

,| ,|

[@drippinproductions1472]

I tried to wink with both eyes

[@DragoniteSpam]

"I didn't have any of my rivals assassinated, they just happened to all drop dead around me. Convenient, right?"

[@thealeph165]

-Putin

[@enzocarter6765]

Oh hey Stalin I didn’t know you would be here.

[@NolanDraconis]

Yeah sure why not

[@bigj1905]

It’s not assassination, it’s ‘influencing conveniently timed deaths for all of the people who disagree with me.’

[@lgg4500]

Hol up it says that this comment was made 18 hours ago but this episode is 40 minutes old

[@jeahm09]

"Trier in current day germany" *Puts star in the middle of modern day France*

[@MTTT1234]

Looks kinda like where Paris is located.

[@safe-keeper1042]

But Japan is still on Taiwan, right?

[@zealousdoggo]

Yes but actually *Germany is in Paris*

[@Chikinbokbok]

Not joking though, Trier's a pretty cool city. It's got a heck of a history and it's home to one of the oldest Christian churches north of the alps.

[@Rumborumbo87]

Also Diocletian's court of the east was at Nicomedia near Byzantium, not Antioch

[@ColinEnsFunk]

I love the smile on Diocletian's face the whole time. "Who, me?"

[@shambosaha9727]

With a thumb up👍

[@proactiveomnipresentvessel6569]

👍

[@ganjagank4787]

:)

[@joshuadarrow]

Oh boy, here I go killing again!

[@crazyman8472]

“Not Diocletian!” 😜

[@bensmith1955]

I cannot believe that they killed Aurelian whilst he was having a pee. That is so against the bro code!

[@shambosaha9727]

Supremely uncool

[@bensmith1955]

@CipiRipi00 That's even worse!

[@negate3]

@@bensmith1955 Tyrion Lannister would like a word

[@bensmith1955]

@@negate3 ? don't watch GOT

[@arokjuata3365]

i don't watch got neither. So what is he referencing?

[@jakartagamer6188]

Roman emperor: **dies from *accidents** Roman citizens: oh no, anyways

[@ChaseMcCain81]

lol

[@robhenry7896]

Getting rid of a ruler now: impeachment Getting rid of a ruler then: impalement

[@dylanrodrigues]

Rob Henry reject modernity, embrace tradition

[@KasumiRINA]

@@dylanrodrigues literally Libyan protestors. They put Gaddafi on a bayonet. :3

[@gavriloprincip9634]

@@KasumiRINA hehehehe

[@spacewarsfight281]

This deserves more likes

[@SpartanJoe193]

@@KasumiRINA lol

[@TOFKAS01]

Well, at least the optimism of all these 3rd-century emperors was great.... "Yes, yes I know that all of my 15 predecessors were killed by the guard...but I will be different, I feel it" "Yes, yes I know that all of my 16 predecessors were killed by the guard...but I will be different, I feel it" "Yes, yes I know that all of my 17 predecessors were killed by the guard...but I will be different, I feel it" .....

[@alexv3357]

Me: Doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity! Third century soldiers: Well I didn't drink all that lead-pipe-tainted water for nothing

[@mikerodrigues9822]

There was at least one general that didnt want to be Emperor and was forced to be by the Preatorian Guard.

[@TathD]

@@mikerodrigues9822 Did they murder him afterwards?

[@math3000]

Constantine I: I'm sensing a pattern here

[@xgu4642]

At this point this is when you execute the praetorians and disband then completely

[@marinamoraes6174]

My, so many things that were caused not by Diocletian this time!

[@2MeterLP]

Must be a friend of Walpole

[@alejandrokaplan7243]

Look those guys just “had tragic accidents that others can learn from

[@patrickhughes9304]

@@alejandrokaplan7243 the lesson? Be Diocletian

[@alejandrokaplan7243]

@@patrickhughes9304 yes

[@christophersudbrink4946]

Diocletian did do all of this!

[@justinian-the-great]

Not Diocletian: "Hm, all those deaths seem suspicious. Maybe we should investigate them." Diocletian: "Sure, sure. Oh and btw, watch out for the lightning today."

[@lucasbeck1391]

30 minutes later *not diocletians charred corpse is found* Diocletian: Clearly jupiter struck him down

[@rvc7468]

*Not Diocletian died under suspicious circumstances*

[@allenzhou3051]

Definitely NOT killed by Diocletian! *Everyone else saw Diocletian kill not Diocletian

[@LightxHeaven]

Diocletian sure was lucky to have his rivals die all around him! Maybe he should try his hands at gambling?

[@bikashparimal4741]

I wonder why they didn't gave you a heart.

[@bellatornoble]

me seeing the title: "Not Diocletian" also me: yeah sure

[@shayneberger3596]

Clearly it was Walpole.

[@cshairydude]

That cheerful, optimistic look on Diocletian's face as he plots and murders is hilarious. Update: I've been informed that Diocletian did not, in fact, plot and murder.

[@TimesFM4532]

Right answer Peter right answer

[@user-cd4bx6uq1y]

No replies to inform and no edit

[@dinoz2113]

I know I love it 😂😂😂

[@Pikazilla]

worst secretary ever ...well except Stalin maybe

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

Guess who just won an all expenses paid trip to Siberia!

[@theechoofreality1303]

Very amusing comrade! Gulag for you.

[@zealousdoggo]

Congrats on your one way flight to Siberia otherwise known as cold hel

[@rizalalbar]

Well stalin didn't kill his boss. lenin died because of stroke. He took over because his power were already too powerful to stop him to gain more power.

[@ProjectEkerTest33]

@@rizalalbar Still a bad secretary

[@LegendaryMercDC]

How the assassinated emperors were chosen to begin with: 1. Were Capable leaders 2. Had Great political support 3. They were the last ones to say "not it!"

[@nathanseper8738]

Being emperor feels like a death sentence at this point.

[@smithblack5945]

I just realized that Aurelian is different from Marcus Aurelius. I'll see myself out.

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

The later emperors did try to claim being descended from Marcus Aurelius. So you were kind of right track. =)

[@yugitrump435]

You should sit in the corner and think about what youve done

[@CarbonKnights]

"Who do I have to kill to become emperor of this place?" - Diocletian... Probably

[@shambosaha9727]

Who do I NOT have to kill?

[@Salty-Doggy]

Who has to die for me to become emperor? You know so I can "protect" them.

[@snapchatsnacks3154]

I think Rome would have lasted evan longer if Aurealin wasn't killed and ruled longer

[@Some_Average_Joe]

Yeah... competence really helps when running an empire

[@krankarvolund7771]

Yeah, a simple ruler would have totally have effect 200 years later :p If Diocletian crashed the Empire instead of restoring it, I could see why Aurelian would have had an impact. But given that Diocletian did pretty much as well or better than Aurelian could have, I don't really see how Roman Empire would have last longer ^^' Except of course, if one of the emperors of the last day of the Empire were as good as a Diocletian or an Aurelian ;)

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

Diocletian's reorganization is considered by many to be a major reason the Empire even managed to survive as long as it did, so I have a feeling this might not necessarily be the case.

[@saslykasLT]

@@krankarvolund7771 Well, there was Majorian-The last Western Emperor who tried to turn the tables against Germanic tribes-and he almost succeeded, but after him all Western emperors were mere puppets.

[@thechannel8850]

saslykasLT I mean, Majorian was also a puppet who was killed for getting dangerously free of Ricimer

[@TheAnalyticalEngine]

Diocletian _totally_ didn't threaten to have the entire Extra Credits staff punished if they weren't nice to him

[@nathanseper8738]

Diocletian would never do that.

[@alejandrokaplan7243]

Diocletian’s enemies just “had tragic accidents that others can learn from”

[@dinoz2113]

Yes they drop like lightning 🤣

[@andyjay729]

Aurelian: Salve, I'm Aurelian. How did you die? I was stabbed by my guards while taking a whiz. Uesugi Kenshin: Yoroshiku, I'm Uesugi Kenshin. I was assassinated on the toilet. Someone was hiding in the latrine pit. Aurelian: Sorry to hear that. Wanna hang out?

[@bogdan3386]

Meanwhile Vespasian awkwardly looking at them because he died from severe diarrhea

[@andyjay729]

@@bogdan3386 Elvis (to Vespasian): It's okay son, Catherine the Great here and me died of constipation. Vespasian: So it wasn't that horse thing I've been hearing about? Catherine the Great: (Eyes turn red, fists clench)

[@yugitrump435]

Meanwhile Tywin be like, "First time eh?"

[@marcus-vu8gj]

_Edmund Ironside has entered the chat_

[@christophersudbrink4946]

The death of Horrible histories shows up: Ah! Hahahahaha! You two are through to the afterlife!

[@pawedempress1051]

It wasn't Diocletian. It was Walpole.

[@dinoz2113]

Oh 😂yea I saw 🤣🤩🤣

[@xeroxhero5615]

Always

[@marcomechelli8800]

1:02 "harsh punishment"? There is no pity for pizza with pineapple

[@derwolf3006]

Would actually say that just beheading is a bit to much mercyfull

[@BellaOrganics]

Hey, I agree with Diocletian to a point. Pineapple does NOT belong on pizza.

[@tylererror8255]

Pineapple doesn’t go on pizza as much as Diocletian didn’t kill all those guys

[@GeneralLuigiTBC]

I didn't know Trier was a suburb of Paris...

[@RetrousseRaptor]

Seriously, what’s wrong with the animators on so many of these historical channels? All you have to do is glance at a map.

[@ichabodstrange756]

@@RetrousseRaptor It's not just KZbin. Civilisation 5 had some of the most awful maps one can imagine in its loading screens.

[@10Tabris01]

That's because Paris is a suburb of Trier

[@lolmeister9764]

I love the "Cyanide and Happiness"-esque face of Diocletian

[@caboose.20]

Yo this Ahmed Ziad Turk guy seems really cool.

[@tathemrelag3123]

"Trier in current-day Germany" _places the star on Paris_ Between this and calling Sofia "the Balkans," you guys really need to fire whoever is doing your maps for this one.

[@JasonDoe1000]

Not to forget the "Francs" and the "Samatians" or how many of the provinces are wrong

[@robertoazuaje9279]

Let's not forget about the whole Taiwan thing in the last series. That's a pattern of easily fixable mistakes that just keeps going.

[@GeneralLuigiTBC]

Firing their mapmaker strikes me as a bit extreme. They could just seek out a "Geography proofreader." Heck, I imagine some viewers would gladly do it for free.

[@rakdos36]

I think its the result of most of their crew being raised and living in america. Amercians usually are really bad with geography outside north america this even comes up in places you think it really shouldnt like in the news of their biggest networks. I remember of a map on nbc that claimed the netherlands were in czechias place and worst of all nobody noticed it initially.

[@thed542]

Eh. Bulgaria is indeed located within the Balkans

[@devinconyers6430]

But if it wasn’t Diocletian, then who was it? It was Walpole.

[@chadbusch8541]

WALPOOOOOOOOOLE!!!!

[@hetalianotaku7103]

"Merry-go-round of imperial murder" is probably my new favorite phrase.

[@timdarklighter]

Kudos to the artist on this episode. From Diocletian's constant "hey buddy" fake smile, to the Sol Invictus birthday hats, this was a fantastically drawn episode.

[@TheBoringAddress]

Structuring the entire system of the state around the army at the expense of everything else. That's a good idea! Luckily this is something no powerful and wealthy country would do today.

[@devildevious2646]

Ouch

[@dominicguye8058]

Prussia?

[@wp12mv]

@@dominicguye8058 both Prussia and the USA

[@vaiyt]

It's hard not to call america a second grade rome when they try so hard

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@wp12mv Huh? But the state isn't structured around the US Army at all, wut? It's the opposite. Edit: Mistakes were made.

[@luca_history]

Not even one minute in and I'm crying already

[@markdillon7543]

Not even gonna talk about IVLPIA SEVERINA? Aurelian's wife and the only Empress of Rome

[@Fordo007]

I'm sure they'd love to if we had more information to go on besides knowing she existed and acted as a regent-empress. The loss of historical documents is always painful when you discover someone you want to know more about...

[@gallanoir]

This explains Aurelion Sol from League so much

[@mehmetalikantarc79]

I remember telling a Jojo fan about Diocletian. He was like ''Dio ruled the roman empire?!'' He got struck by lightning.

[@codebracker]

Kono Dioclecian da!

[@chronyx685]

CAESARRRRRRRR

[@math3000]

So that's how he did not kill those other guys, he did not have a stand that could stop time

[@diegokaqui60]

he must be talking about Casssious Dio the famous historian.

[@pointynoodle]

Diocletian: wow guys crazy how all my enemies die constantly for no reason. You should probably make me emperor.

[@zawsrdtygbhjimokpl6998]

I wouldn't be surprised if the entire army got struck by lightning and decease one by one if they opposed him

[@calebarnold797]

Diocletian's expression is maybe one of the best designs of this entire show

[@dinoz2113]

YES😂🙌

[@minhphamduy9217]

This period be like "Commence order 66"

[@yehiarizk1836]

Again

[@a.h.tvideomapping4293]

First we had “It was Walpole” now we have “it was Not Diocletian”

[@Antenox]

"Not Diocletian" "It was Walpole."

[@arokjuata3365]

oh yeah it's all coming together

[@mister_i9245]

The Principate is ended, the Dominate is begun.

[@Personoflordlycalibur]

* sees Diocletian * Wapole : Ah a worthy opponent ! Our battle will be legendary!"

[@IronpenWorldbuilding]

Hello Tai Lung

[@Evoshun]

"Killed for petty reasons" yeah if i was on a death list I think I would also want the purported creator of that list to die instead. I would not consider that petty at all, that's just self-preservation.

[@pretzelbomb6105]

The petty reason wasn’t the Praetorians fearing for their lives, but the secretary forging the execution list after begging caught in a lie so the emperor wouldn’t find out.

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

Well, when considering the stability of an empire of millions and the lives of its citizens, the life of one man is a small thing, unless that man is the emperor whos mere existence is needed to keep the country from falling to complete anarchy.

[@Evoshun]

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 Perhaps, except the Empire went on for another few centuries after his death. Sure his time as emperor was exceptional and he helped stabilize the chaos temporarily, but clearly the systems and customs in place were enough to prevent total collapse throughout the entire 3rd century crisis.

[@limeboiler5471]

The beginning were Aurelian went to 'relive himself' and then the officers killing him got me like "are you kidding me" and I was plainly staring at the screen for around 10s after pausing the video. Seriously, what did they expect...

[@angusyang5917]

Since these emperors were not covered by a song like in episode 1: 3:08 Tacitus 3:15 Florianus 3:19 Probus 3:24 Carus (mentioned by name) 4:10 Carinus (western) and Numerianus (eastern) 5:02 Aper (failed candidate who was killed by Diokles)

[@TheDakkaman]

Diocletian: "So I'm standing here," Romans: "Uh huh." D: "Minding my own business," R: "Uh huh." D: "And this other candidate for the throne comes in," R: "Uh huh." D: "Soooo I stabbed him 37 times in the chest." R: "Diocletiaaaaan! That kills people!" D: "Oh, woah, did not know that! That is egg all over my face."

[@amanzeihedioha]

I love that Diocletian smirk. Perfect for those very convenient "accidents".

[@andrewstewart1464]

The 'Mystery Religions' scene looks like it could be an album cover.

[@TheBronzeDog]

I'm mentally playing Yakkity Sax to this messy series of betrayal.

[@colindunnigan8621]

Okay, okay, okay. That image of Sol Invictus at 1:43 needs, no DEMANDS to be on a T-shirt or mug. EC, do not deny the divine will of THE ALL CONQUERING SUN!

[@kfirkevelson2080]

Every time I hear the theme music of extra history it gives me goodie in my heart

[@Darkgun231]

I think this is my favorite episode of all time! And I'm not saying that because the Ghost of Diocletian is haunting me!

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

Thinking about Roman history I always find it funny how they keep screwing themselves over. Reminds me of a certain empire.

[@MrHistory269]

🤔😬 🇺🇸

[@WeaponOfMyDestructio]

@@MrHistory269 that's the one

[@Tommy55_official]

OTTOMAN

[@jacobbyrne4956]

No mention of Ulpia Severina, how could you miss the one possible Roman Empress who is thought to have ruled in her own right for a year!? Another brilliant episode though, keep up the good work :)

[@gabrielappleton4342]

When the Lawful Evil Rogue takes power.

[@nahx6205]

"To build up the military Diocletian will essentially turn the Roman Empire into an enormous support system for the army, rebuilding society around it." *Prussian intensifies*

[@lonelyspaceman4832]

Man, wow, it's pretty impressive how Diocletian didn't do all these things.

[@JoeBurkeZerk]

*Oh no the writers killed Aurelion*

[@artycuen3572]

I heard it was over creative differences.

[@weldonwin]

*OH MY SOL INVICTA! THEY KILLED AURELIAN!* *THOSE BASTARDS!!!*

[@danjudex2475]

AURELIAN NNNNOOOOO!!!!!

[@AlexSFM]

5:05 not surprised after seeing how much emperors died already but that face is funny af

[@ravenouself4181]

Girls with a time-machine: Meets Grandmother Boys: Saves Aurelian and provides him with the knowledge on how to make Muskets

[@benjackson91]

Excellent video but i feel like Probus should have got a bigger mention than just ‘another guy who ruled six years’ He was a highly competent soldier emperor who continued the military reforms that Aurelian had started, worked extensively to revitalise the empires food supply and economy and campaigned successfully against barbarians across the Rhine Danube so well that they wouldn’t invade the empire in any significant way until the reign of constantius ii

[@Paveway-chan]

Okay so Diocletian was basically the Roman version of the Epstein meme. "[He] wasn't killed by Diocletian"?

[@SirDankleberry]

Aurelian: *Saves the Empire multiple times* Praetorian Guard: Oh no my stabbing hand is getting itchy.

[@shrivatsanaik5263]

PJO fans know Diocletian as the last demigod emperor to ever rule Rome. He had a scepter that could rise skeletal legionnaires to fight alongside him.

[@njvikesfan0162]

Diocletian: Robert Walpole’s historic self insert

[@snowsong7108]

"Petty reasons" is a funny way of saying "avoiding the emperor's wrath." I don't blame the secretary.

[@sharilshahed6106]

you don't blame the secretary for being a corrupt official?

[@abcdef27669]

1:02 - There is no excuse for that!

[@Technae]

U: is this the cult? MC: no this is the mystery religion we- U: yeah, this is it

[@calbpert9815]

You all should do a series with Ceaser like u did with Justinian

[@SamAronow]

Check out Historia Civilis.

[@alexshi1962]

Poor Aurelian never got to empty his bladder...

[@DDlambchop43]

oh he did....as he was dying.

[@TheThunderbirdRising]

God, Diocletian needs to become just as much of a meme as Walpole

[@cameronm2254]

Great videos, keep it up. I love learning about the lives of Roman emperor's and history in general. It's great to learn something new when watching your videos.

[@braydenperry7749]

Great job guys, you are doing great, hope you are all having a good quanrtine and make sure to keep safe!

[@nikoladjuras]

Yay a Croat in extra credits(Dioklecian-croatian version of name).He was from Split,he has a palece there,even today.Big hello from Croatia (Dubrovnik),sorry for misswriting.😆😅🤣

[@johnyricco1220]

Fond memories of Dubrovnik and Split from a couple of years ago. And OMG the women of Split were stunning. I mean even those waiting at the bus stop looked like super models

[@johnyricco1220]

@la Tempête Not tanned. People of the Dinaric Alps look more Scandinavian than actual Scandinavians.

[@cikalujo]

@@johnyricco1220 Yeah it's the strangest thing. The Dinarics are actually full of people with celtic origins, too, which makes for some really stereotype-breaking blond and red-haired muslims you can meet in Bosnia ^^

[@Raleyg]

Aurelian was basically a successful Stannis Baratheon

[@justcallmejohnok9800]

i love how dio just looks so happy all the time

[@ValerianLincinius]

Öhm, I do not think that your Trier-marker lies in modern day Germany^^

[@rafaeldavid32]

"Not Diocletian": *exist joke* "it's Walpole": ah, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary. Sorry if reading this, will make you cringed.

[@joshuahunt3032]

Wow, Diocletian must’ve had a massive intrigue stat for his enemies to fall around him even though he didn’t cause any of it!

[@unclebones23]

Diocletian reminds me of Augustus Caesar's famous writing about how Agustus claimed a bunch of good things about him but while denying them: makes you think if Diocletian adopted said tactic. 😒

[@Razgriz032]

RIP My Hearticus Maximus

[@g_lag9223]

Fun fact, this comment was not posted by Diocletian.

[@IronpenWorldbuilding]

Akhenaten seems like he would enjoy Aurelian and Diocletian very much

[@franklinclinton4539]

Diocletian's face is so priceless

[@davidschaftenaar6530]

You guys know what the lie was the secretary told Aurelian? _"Diocletian is coming for you"_ Hahah, preposterous right?!... *R i g h t?*

[@stormsurge1]

His birthday was also on 25th of December, what a weird coincidence 🤔

[@ventu7907]

25th was when Lupercalia was celebrated, so yes, it’s a coincidence

[@matthewegan5281]

@Stock Name the christians actually co-opted that specific date as the Romans already celebrated then

[@Fordo007]

@EnterTextHere_ Yeah I think I remember reading that Christian theologians had already estimated the date of Jesus's birth as December 25th far earlier than Sol Invictus.

[@cster9261]

I know this is kind of unrelated but your extra history formula has taught me so much I was wondering if you could teach the history of different math and sciences as a way of teaching people those things while still keeping it in the interesting formula of history.

[@dylanthechillinvillain2488]

Ooooooooooh the ending for this one was really good, I’m hooked.

[@hardikchoubey8232]

The Diocletian Drawing kinda looks like Oberyn Martell from GoT.

[@danjudex2475]

Also the drawing for Maximian looks like his bust and I think that's intentional.

[@athansky7537]

Noooot diocleations fault at all, he didnt kill him his sword slipped into his chest

[@explained8678]

Simple yet great animation.. Too good.

[@cheeseburgermovies]

Petition to add "Not Diocletian" to the canon of Extra History quotes, alongside "It was Walpole"

[@theresahall1591]

What did the secretary do that he wanted his boss dead before he could find out exactly whatever it was that he did?

[@WellBattle6]

These mystery religions sound more like sororities and fraternities.

[@DariaHoelzel]

They were basically sects. You had to pay to get in there and all practices were to be secrets. If you told an outsider about anything that happened during the secret meetings, you would lose your life. And if you follow all the rules you were promised a better afterlife with the heroes/gods.

[@JoshuaAndres]

“Not Diocletian” is like the reverse “it was Walpole”

[@rizalalbar]

AURELIAN the emperor that PRAISE THE SUN

[@phobics9498]

"Trier in current day germany" *Points at Paris*

[@josephstahl9119]

*Erika playing in the distance.*

[@safe-keeper1042]

The Walpole of his age.

[@connorthompson66]

Emperor Diocletian here! To show you the awesome power of the Emperor, I sawed the Roman Empire in half!

[@silverbolt67]

1:15 Aurelian's ghost: vestri 'iam mortuum Scribe: Quid?!