This 15L SFF case can fit a FULL SIZED PC - SSUPD Meshroom S

[@OmairArif]

This case mainly exists to be a "Meshlicious 2" with a different name. The original designer of the Meshlicious was W360 (Formd T1 & NCASE M1) and allegedly wasn't paid the agreed upon profits by SSUPD, so they sued SSUPD and are making a Meshlicious V2 with Streacom. This is also why the NCASE was discontinued, due to SSUPD's close relationship with LianLi, they didn't want to place a new production order while the lawsuit was going on.

[@GearSeekers]

I am very aware. I am friends with W360.

[@MrDamonLeBeouf]

wow thanks for that share. thats extremely interesting! politics even in the itx world.

[@techbuildspcs]

Thanks for letting us know about this, I was going to get this case, Has the w360 designed and released a case by himself yet? Id love to support him.

[@OmairArif]

@@techbuildspcs he's made several cases in the past. Don't know if any are currently available, but he's working on a few new cases right now.

[@OldDolio312]

Huh? Then why is this case selling on the same original site?

[@romulas-cushmanproject3273]

With how many options of how to set this up SSUPD should really have 3D models on their website you can rotate and see closer where everything goes. As the pictures they have currently aren’t as clear as they should be. Especially with SFF cases where ever cubic inch counts case manufacturers should go into great detail of dimensions and limitations

[@la009895]

Thank you for doing atx. All the m.2 options!

[@GearSeekers]

We did what people asked us to do :)

[@la009895]

@@GearSeekers I know I asked for the ATX review and you gave us the ATX review.... hopefully your time off helped recharge you! Coming into a busy time of the season.

[@TheMightyMuch]

THATS WHAT SSUPD STANDS FOR? A method of cooking eggs!? I am neither underwhelmed nor overwhelmed, i am just, whelmed. Great to finally see an ATX build in this thing, watching ITX reviews feels kinda pointless since you can just do that with the original meshalicious.

[@shinoMusic]

I actually think there is a use-case for an itx review, but I haven't seen it done in the configuration yet. I'd like to see atx-psu, itx-mobo on the mobo-side while the gpu-side has a radiator and high-end-watercooled gpu. If this fits a custom loop configuration like that this is a huge win for psu clearance, since the new GPU generation sips so much power.

[@nikopierrot]

With how ITX boards seem to be getting worse and worse in terms of features+performance, it's great seeing that these types of cases exist with a wide range of compatible parts. As far as I know, the only better case in terms of space efficiency is the 10l SFF-Time P-ATX case, which is unfortunately really damn expensive due to it only being made by a relatively small company from Croatia.

[@pjuppi]

out of curiosity i searched them up and gawddamn! those cases looked really nice. definitely their new cube-case that can fit a goddamn NH-D15S! 🤣 maybe time to start getting bookmarks for everything 😁

[@wireless1235]

Another great build video. I love waking up in the US and having a new GS video sitting there.

[@Justin-kd2uj]

It's criminal that this video doesn't have more views, this case is a atx users dream case, and small budget form factor dreamers dream

[@LeadSkillets]

The cyan and pink in the charts brings me back. So many toys from the 80's and 90's had the black, cyan, and pink theme.

[@jGRite]

This is a very intriguing case. I was thinking about making an ATX computer as smallest possible, and I think this is the only case that could accomplish that.

[@Zombie101]

did you do it

[@LeslieTheSteez]

Tiny Cases deserve love too !

[@TheTbone707]

For this ATX build can someone tell me which PCIe cable was used in this build? Their website is a little confusing.

[@ralphtabotabo8273]

@@TheTbone707 did you find out with kind of pcie to get?

[@DannysTechChannel]

Solid video as usual. Love how in depth you get with your reviews. All the right information and directly to the point. Keep up the great work!

[@queegfivehundred8197]

Good to see you back, hope you two had a good break.

[@GearSeekers]

Not sure if we're back yet lol

[@KlaireGearSeekers]

We tried haha

[@sumojo]

I have the original Meshilicious case and love it despite a few gripes. I'm happy to see that they addressed the placement of the power button because there have been times where I would use a USB port and accidentally push the power button (I've learned my lesson and am now more aware of how I hold USB cables). It's also interesting how you can now put the radiator behind the motherboard and beside the GPU since that's where most of the heat resonated in the original case. Idk how practical it is to support an ATX motherboard but at least the option is there. Just wish they included taller case feet to deal with the pesky display cables.

[@b127_1]

I've hit the power button on accident so many times... My case sits on a few coasters so i dont kill my displayport cable. Its not stupid if it works lol.

[@kevinw7319]

I have a cat who loves to sit on the warm PC case and press the on/off button for me.

[@LeslieTheSteez]

This is such a dank case and the Gear Seekers Sauce makes just look so good

[@AllaunSilverfox]

Do you still plan on posting the PCpartpicker link?

[@dueterdot855]

will a 4090 fit next to the AiO?

[@RafitoOoO]

It's great what they achieved, but imo since they were already going this route they could add like 2-3 liters to the case to make things fit easier and also allow atx mb with atx psu.

[@GearSeekers]

I agree

[@kevinw7319]

Add 2-3 litres and suddenly its no longer a "small case"

[@RafitoOoO]

@@kevinw7319 the cut of the SFF case is 20L, 15+3

[@kevinw7319]

@@RafitoOoO If you want a big case, buy a big case :)

[@RafitoOoO]

@@kevinw7319 you seem to have some reading comprehension, won't waste more time.

[@cmja09]

I'd put the radiator fans on intake push configuration and put an exhaust fan up top, dremel should do the work like in this 1st version of ssupd mesh. Also might put an intake fan beside the PSU for airflow on the motherboard, nice case, nice review. Thanks for the close up shots.

[@georgeconstantinides7619]

hello friend. how long is the pcie4 riser cable that you have shown on this video to install your graphics card behind the case. thanks

[@brauliopereira9173]

As brazilian, it's so hard to find itx stuff here. PSUs in particular, I've never seen an SFF PSU. This kind of case could be amazing to build a PC with a small footprint while still using regular sized components. And in general smaller footprint > smaller volume. Vertically oriented cases are awesome. Now I'll make sure to not check how expensive it would be to order one of these cases overseas here, and pretend this is a viable option for me in the future :D

[@iaia5368]

bem vindo ao clube. o melhor custo beneficio que achei por hora e que me agradou, foi o case chines SAMA CUZÃO IM01 (KKK) soquei uma mATX nele e um i9 boladao ES 10900. otimo case. paguei 500 pau. se for importar pelo ali, sai 1600. absurdo o roubo do estado

[@dawillis23]

It seems the market share the ATX scenario targets is the person who already has an ATX tower but wants to see if the SFF life is for them...and they would likely have to buy an SFX PSU to give it a go. That sure seems like an awfully small market segment. That said, it doesn't seem to sacrifice anything for the ITX crowd, and on SSUPD's US website, the Meshroom S with PCIe 4 riser is priced $20 less than Meshilicious with PCIe 4 costs...so that flexibility doesn't bring added costs, so it's not really hurting anything if you need/want the PCIe4 riser. And I'll tell you, owning a NR200P with a 3060ti FE...having a PCIe 4 riser saves a TON of headaches when it comes to BIOS updates...

[@Xerora]

Is the "extra PCIe riser cable for Micro-ATX and ATX setup" included with the PCIe 4.0 SKU/bundle?

[@koomax3355]

This is a really ideal case for all sizes of motherboards. Love it.

[@hnc521]

Looks like the side rad racket can be relocated to the next spot. Dual 240mm radiator seems possible for ITX build

[@katawonga]

Yaassssss. I've been planning a build in the Meshlicious. What is the biggest difference and or benefits of this new case over that one? Much love guys

[@cptwhite]

What's the benefit of using an ATX board in a small case like this, if you're just blocking off all the PCI-E expansion slots with the riser cable and PSU? Just for the sake of a few fan headers and others ports? It just doesn't seem to have much practical benefit, apart from motherboard selection choice I suppose...

[@mystichavin5330]

its not about benefits, its about options. say you have an atx board laying around and dont want to buy an sfx mb?

[@cptwhite]

@@mystichavin5330 I mean sure, I guess that's a benefit, but realistically if I were building a SFF system I'd probably be looking to do it right and not compromise by using "what I have laying around". It's a niche market with deep pockets, conversely if I had an ATX motherboard and wanted a compact system I'd just look at getting the the most compact ATX case I can find (that was specifically intended for building with ATX boards). It doesn't fundementally change the fact that this case makes the expandability of ATX boards mostly redundant. If there's one thing I've learned after building 100+ PC at this point, putting incorrectly sized motherboards into chassis that were fundementally made for a different size always looks bad, whether they're too big, or too small. I think this is equally true here.

[@GearSeekers]

SFF is always a compromise no matter what hardware you choose.

[@jackrabbitping]

Most people don't use more than the first pcie slot, this lets you build a decent powerhouse with 4 slots for ram and more m.2 ports compared to an itx board.

[@rocklandeberg198]

I just got this case, and I git a GA 2 Trinity 240 but the cooler didn't work since the tubes face downwards and intersect with my ATX motherboard. which cooler are you using?

[@Phalaxis83]

Personally not my style of case but I can appreciate people will dig it. Great video fams.

[@KEKEBONO]

I have a technical question, will the 180mm Corsair HX1000-1000 watt power supply and 240mm Arctic liquid cooling come into this case?

[@Invictus_Mithra]

If you go mATX can you still fit a radiator in the front? mATX boards are usually a lot cheaper than ITX boards and having one in a form factor like this with two 280mm radiators would be great.

[@Molo9000]

No. mATX and ATX are the same width.

[@Invictus_Mithra]

@@Molo9000 That sucks, I want a case like this that can support mATX and dual rad. I don't care if it would be a little bigger.

[@edmac1090]

I don’t get this. The expansion slots are covered up… so what’s the point of going ATX over mATX?

[@westoncedd]

Can I know about riser cable name? Is it ssupd riser cable 270mm length? in description of ssupd, if you build atx m/b system, you need to install the riser cable to 2nd slot on your m/b. but your video installed first slot. so I want to know about riser cable your system.

[@Kelekona_808]

So am I correct in assuming that there is no airflow over the front of the Mobo? Seems odd for a full mesh case.

[@futureoftheretro]

is that a right or left pcie riser cable? i’m building a meshroom s with an asus b550-f motherboard (atx) & an rtx 3050, so my placement is the same as yours but need longer riser cable. just don’t if i need right or left. please help, thank you

[@neilg97]

Great work Nick, just what we asked for. It still hasnt been released to the UK retail market. I hope it's out for Xmas as I've just decided to order a Meshlicious as downsized to ITX and could be looking to put my media PC which has a micro-ATX board with a 5600G in this model

[@CaptNemo_]

Noob question, so i clean out my thermal paste from my gpu heatsink with 70% alcohol isopropyl but now it looks like that the copper looks washed out is that normal?

[@shusui9665]

nice video! do you think a matx build with a low profile big shuriken 3 ana a rx6700xt or 6800 would be fine with termals, there is no space for intake fan thats why i want to ask thx.

[@elzafir]

Curious why the radiator fans is set to exhaust? Surely if it's intake it can take the fresh air from outside, but if it's exhaust, it is choked by the motherboard being so close and the warm air from the GPU is the only source of air.

[@Takashita_Sukakoki]

What use is an atx mobo if you can't take advantage of it in this case (pcie slots). The raiser cables add a point of failure and the temp at 18c ambient are not great. I would go for a nr200 it's cheaper and you can put that saving towards a itx mobo and you gain 4l and get better temps.

[@GearSeekers]

Its more about M.2 storage than PCIe slots

[@Kage0No0Tenshi]

Clean one dude, I plan to do same SSUPD Meshroom S V2 build as 9900x3d with new gen GPU and pair it with itx PSU 1000W from corsair and use Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280 A-RGB white and remove fans to replace with Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-3000 140mm PWM, full white build without PSU. my question is how bigg GPU can I fitt in when using 280 aio combo with atx motherbord ? plan with PowerColor Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB Hellhound as example will it fit ?

[@dude9237]

Can plug in 4 monitors in this PC case or does it restrict the GPU ports?

[@jwaye89]

Banger of a video fams, the meshroom S looks like an interesting case

[@WinnKyu]

Would this case fit mATX + ATX PSU? I am trying to transplant my mATX MB + ATX PSU to as small box as possible for my HTPC. I don't need to use a gpu. maybe LP GPU is more than enough for my build.

[@sagenthings4265]

peeping that LTT screwdriver! 👀

[@Deng1ong]

do you know what the "gpu baffle" is? I have an XFX MERC RX 6800 (340mm long), and im not seeing how this is going to fit. in the case description on the SSUPD website it doesnt say it supports that long of a card, but in your case description it does. Thanks!

[@nghiatt4996]

I have B660m Tuf wifi D4 and PSU NZXT C750 Bronze 150mm. Could they fit together?

[@harrisonbrandt9464]

If I have an MATX board, can I use a standard ATX psu in this case?

[@Lohan3001]

Would it be possible to use a liquid cooled GPU in this configuration, given the case support for dual radiators? I know SSUPD makes an external bracket for a 360mm rad, but if it can all fit inside it would be a little cleaner.

[@hanyh2]

I would put it in 4 slot mode if running ATX with an AIO and side mount rad to give the fans more clearance.

[@ginoandamanda]

Hi. What size pcie riser did you use on your build with the atx? Thanks

[@hrodgarthevegan]

I think those max GPU length numbers must not be correct. I saw someone put a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC in theirs and its written up as 340mm. I just got the case and visually it also looks like I can fit mine in.

[@SubiKinubi]

Hoping to build with what I already have, so would a atx psu fit if you use a matx board?

[@hornetdc]

I really want to see dual radiator custom loop build in this.

[@GearSeekers]

yes

[@bajannovazone]

Wooo the video i've been waiting for 🙌, great video awesome build 🙂👍, also the music is still bussin 🎶

[@KlaireGearSeekers]

Thankyou!

[@gamerwarzone9993]

great work as usual

[@christophertomes6777]

I know I should buy a sfx psu to use with a atx motherboard but i just wanted to know if it could fit at all. would be really cool to just shove everything i already own into this case initially even if its super tight.

[@camotech1314]

I've been tempted to do my first foray into ITX and build in the famous NR200P, but this case looks super interesting too but harder to use!! 🤔

[@battlepowered]

I’ve only built 1 pc and it’s been itx. It’s awesome, not too expensive. Motherboard, power supply and cases are where you see the “itx tax”. Also there’s the fact that most builds are performance limited. If you get a sick build it’s usually cursed with higher temps. But I don’t regret it. I think something like this, will be my next build when I upgrade years from now. MATX/ATX in a smaller case like this is rather ideal.

[@megadeth8592]

love my nr200

[@phillipsmith1155]

Which color of this case are you using? Grey or black? Thanks!

[@thatonegamer2709]

Modded the psu section to a flex psu instead and i got rid of all the annoying sff psu came with...for my build even 500w was too much so it was perfect with an atx mb

[@jeji5860]

You can get the original meshlicious for only 60 dollars rn, if only you can get itx motherboard for cheap also

[@papabepreachin8664]

Where? I only see the white available for $89.99

[@RafitoOoO]

Yeah, the itx tax is insane. Pay more for less.

[@jeji5860]

@@RafitoOoO 100 bucks at least for the low end board, i wish it was cheaper

[@RafitoOoO]

@@jeji5860 yeah, like in the B550 range, the cheapest mobo is the Asrock b550m/itx and it's bad for the price, it's almost twice the price of a b550m tuf while giving way less features. Only one m.2 slot, no bios flashback, subpar VRMs. I love the itx form factor and the aesthetic but unfortunately I can't justify paying a premium for "less".

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

do you know of any case similar to the Sliger Cerberus but more modern?

[@TheActualTal]

Question: what happens if the GPU is thicker than 1.8 slots? Does that mean only 1 rad can be used on the front side, without also adding on the right side?

[@valensi1988]

I was waiting for this review for two weeks ahaha great stuff

[@marcosousa336]

Would it not be ideal of they set a bracket for a 140/120mm right above the PSU and a grill for the fan for RAM cooling purposes? The space between the panel and the cooler would be the same as the PSU height, I suppose.

[@Projects1.1]

Could you do a video showing/comparing all the different configurations? Thanks!

[@justinl1352]

Wouldn't Thermals be better if you switched the Rad to Intake and installed the 120/140MM slim fan as exhaust pointed up?

[@GearSeekers]

Nope

[@mazinhodoyoutube]

can i use a atx mobo and atx psu at the same build in the meshroom s?

[@axelcruz7173]

Does anyone know what riser cable did he use for this build

[@___Mad_Hatter___]

I wonder how dual rads would work with the smaller motherboard

[@CristopherYusuke]

honestly I was hyuped about this case but seen the drawbacks it's kinda complicated to pull the trigger. maybe with air coiling and the GPU on standard position will be more suitable for meshroom

[@GearSeekers]

Yeah. You would be very limited by coolers though

[@arnellmabitad5393]

What would the temperature be like if we only used fans?

[@thru_mi_lens]

I wonder if the pcie riser is longer and allow routing upwards, can it free the other pcie slot to be used for real

[@GearSeekers]

Nope

[@Kris-cw8hj]

Couldn't even figure out how to get the panels off this case to start. Cheers

[@mva1618]

meshroom has somewhat bigger front cutout up and down compared to meshlicious, is it possible to place rad and fans outside the case?

[@GearSeekers]

no

[@Fernie_725]

Can i put my glass panel from the meshlicious on this?

[@jackrabbitping]

Would a tubes down radiator with be possible with an mATX? Thanks for the build.

[@GearSeekers]

Yeah. Its required for MATX to work properly

[@RafitoOoO]

Hey, Nick. Can you use the GPU in the regular orientation if using a low profile cooler with the ATX mobo?

[@GearSeekers]

You can but finding a decent cooler that will do the job might be tricky. There are some that will fit but few that will be good.

[@Teksers]

They should make a SSUPD Meshroom M, just big enough so that the front panel doesn't bulge when you use an ATX motherboard let's say make it 15.4-15.5L bigger.

[@GearSeekers]

I hear there is another version coming

[@spiceyfrenchtoast9421]

Wonder if this or the p-ATX from sff time is better?

[@curvingfyre6810]

ill be impressed when you fit an *E* atx system in an sff case

[@frostedbutts4340]

Cerberus make one.

[@guatles6762]

You said you can add a 360mm radiator to this case?

[@medowucha]

Well .. a few statemens by someone who has been preparing to build a Mesh-mATX for about half a year (mostly stopped by the issue of not being rich and needing to pay rent first before all the "fun"): 1. Using an ATX board is really not the brightest idea for this case. Yes, if you've seen the original Mesh-ATX build videos, then its doable, but its a wasted opportunity, because the rest of the PCIe extension ports are naturally blocked by the PSU. You could change that if you relocated it elsewhere, but it'd would complicate things a lot more - eg. where to place the GPU. 2. IMNSHO the best choice out of two worlds is to go with mATX - not only can you easily relocate the PSU to either the right "front" side - where its not blocking any PCIe ports - but you may also relocate it to the "gpu" side (which is the original plan I had for my own build project). If you want to really go places, you could even do it by adapting any fancy vertical-style GPU holder in the "mainboard" side, add a fitting Riser cable, and then go with a 280 or even a 200 mm radiator on the "gpu" side. Depending on the PSU you're using (also see #3), there is also enough space for a small to medium-sized reservoir, so you're not forced to stick to closed-loop AIOs, but be able to go full custom loop. 3. If you want to go with the smallest PSU possible, you should pick a FlexATX or even U1 server PSU. Those normally come in the size of 80 x 40 x 150 (up to 220) mm, and might be positioned where the "original" position for the SFX / SFX-L / ATX PSU would have been. In combination with an mATX board, that wont even block anything at all. The only disadvantage with this option is the price; a decent FlexATX PSU like the SilverStone FX600-PT Platinum chimes in at around 170 Euro (inkl. shipping), and something insane like the Intel AXX1300TCRPS (with 1300W) starts at around 270 Euro. 4. What I dislike with this "improved" version is: they didnt really "improve" it, just slightly extend it.. What I would have expected from a properly improved version: Eg. an easy option to extend to the sides by a 1 - 2 cm, so one would still be able to comfortably place the radiator to the small "side" like in the original meshi, or at least use the side as some sort of cable channel, adding fans or even a small screen. Also, being able to remove ALL of the metal parts of the frame, ie. the side where the GPU would normally sit, which is still a fixed part of the frame and would have to be manually removed (either drilled + sawn out, or with a dremel tool). But well, even the Jonsbo clone didnt really improve on this, so whatever .. just my .02 eurocents and about 6 months of extensive research of the topic (with the original, not this bad excuse of an "improved" version). cu, w0lf.

[@marius.n-m]

what riser cable lenght do you recommend?

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Can an mATX motherboard and an ATX power supply fit together?

[@RobBroderick44]

This is barely doable, but must be very janky. In SSUPD website's photos, an ATX psu + ITX mobo are wedged together, so ATX psu + mATX mobo... nah.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

@@RobBroderick44 hmm, thansk for the info, I asked because SFX PSUs are very expensive compared to ATX and they also offer less power, sure 1600W is unnecessary but 850W or 1000W is MUCH more expensive in SFX form than ATX, mITX boards are also more expensive but they also have more high end features than entry level mATX or even ATX.

[@Itscharlie_hr]

Could you do a matx version please 🙏🙏

[@LastSecBloomer]

What's the point of (m)ATX motherboard in it when all the ports are covered by the riser and PSU? Have fun doing anything on the board, you'll have to remove a bunch of stuff first to do it and the PCIe ports wil be unusable. Might as well get an ITX board to begin with, then. This is an ambitious case but perhaps a bit too ambitious...as someone said about it, "yes, you can stuff that in there but should you?"

[@JRFKSERRANO]

im ready to migrate my oven box from q500l to this case. i like small footprint but prefer an ATX board. there were options but like sliger case but those are hard to find at least from where I'm from. the orig SSD was readliy available and was easy to grab one. so I have my hopes this would be too.

[@TheFiore5]

Excellent review!

[@ColeMarkusen]

Nice screwdriver

[@TheVoxmouth]

What kind of GPU do you have there…? 👀

[@Doowie]

I've not read through the comments, but how are those rad fans meant to draw in air, where it's pretty much pressed up against the back of the motherboard?

[@Spawn223311]

Can someone can tell me if this case is compatible with a Micro ATX motherboard and a ATX PSU? cant find much about possible combinations

[@RobBroderick44]

mATX mobo + SFF psu is already a very tight fit :(

[@Spawn223311]

@@RobBroderick44 made it with the atx psu. It works, but it's too tight for the riser cable. Puts too much pressure on it and makes it touch the back of the gpu which gets pretty hot and my riser cable actually melted in small spots and sticked to the gpu

[@guatles6762]

What size aio cooler did you use for this? 240mm or 280mm?

[@GearSeekers]

Watch the video lol

[@thekylemontilla]

How does this compare to jonsbro vr3?

[@Brad_O_M]

Nick did you get a creator set of LTT scrrwdrivers or did you buy one? Yours looks red so it seems creator.

[@GearSeekers]

We got the creator edition and the retail ones from LTT because we are on floatplane 😉

[@oatflakes6141]

Does this come with both pcie cable lengths?

[@WildDogo]

Does this case fit in 4090 gaming OC?

[@HuntaKiller91]

More like the size of my $40 Zzaw C2 case from China But this can fit Atx Kudos to ssupd I hope more 15L atx case incoming

[@CarnageJT]

Will a full sized atx PSU fit with a ATX motherboard?