THIS BIKE IS DIFFERENT | My 2021 Reeb ReDikyelous

[@hardtailparty]

Beautiful bike, and great geo discussion Jeff.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

What do you think?

[@hardtailparty]

@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss I can't believe you were riding a 406mm chainstay at your height. I'm 5'6" and I'm stoked when i can get a chainstay under 430.

[@brycerink]

Geo totally makes sense for the way you ride! Trail bossssss

[@erickling4091]

I woyld Love to see a video with you two together.

[@RideAlongside]

Love the new color! The hydra hubs are the same as mine, cept mine are purple. Geo is similar what I have on my personal bike, a Chumba Sendero as well. Suits my riding perfectly with a 454 reach, 420-440mm Chainstay, 40mm stem and 130mm travel fork. Technical prowess and stability at speed is a balancing act. You made some great changes to balance these out. Looking forward to all the 2021 videos with this new rig. Thanks for posting Jeff! -Nick 😃👍

[@brettneuberger6466]

Yummy! That deep green is super cool.

[@A.T.TrailWorks]

Love that it's designed around 140mm travel. I feel like that's the sweet spot for trail/all mountain bikes. I just recently adjusted my DVO Diamond from 150mm to 140mm and I'm kicking myself for having not done it sooner. Great looking bike, really looking forward to seeing what you do on it, cheers!

[@willbros1499]

Nailed it. To me, at 5'10", I'm always right on that line of M and L. I always kind of liked the smaller bike feel, coming from a BMX background and rode M's. My most recent bike is the Ripmo, and I am running size L and run a little shorter stem to help allow me to get my center back a little and get more lift on the front wheel. There is a big trend here in NWA toward long, slack hardtails. We're still not sure why, but I needed to see what all the fuss was about. It's funny, because I feel the same thing you do, when I recently rode a L hard tail. To compensate for the long reach, I felt like I wanted the bars higher for the descents, because as the fork goes down, it always felt like the reach got cumbersome feeling, and pulled me out over the front of the bike. It was also super hard to get the front end to lift, because there's no rear travel "give" that also helps get the front wheel up, so it required a really exaggerated move. But...by the time I got the bars up high enough, it was completely unweildy on any sort of steep punchy technical climbs. Heck...any climbs actually! It felt like the front end was wandering worse than the Israelites! A Medium would probably work better for me for a HT for the reasons you gave, but I hadn't thought too much about the geometry being the cause. I just chalked it up to needing a M. I think you're onto something with that change. But...it did look like you still have a pretty slack seat rube, and I wonder the reason for not having it up closer to 76*? Are you concerned that it will have you too cramped? I really like the newer STA's, and how I feel "over" the pedals, instead of behind them...pulling with my hamstrings.

[@pedalsandplants5725]

Super detailed and informative video and the new bike looks incredible! Never realized how short the stays were on the red bike, agree the new geometry is dialed. Love the DVO squish! Your bike check videos are always so professional, top notch. 420 for 2021!

[@fusabike]

Congratulations on the new bike and thank you for taking the time to compare last and this year’s changes, and why it works for you. Like many of us with a bike habit, I have choices when it comes to what to ride but the allure of the mighty hardtail is tough to beat - they’re simpler, fun, and demand more of me than full suspension options. Not better or worse, just different. Thanks as always and look forward to watching your upcoming Santos series.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Hey Ryan, thanks for checking out the video, first Florida video also dropped!

[@JD-dw3jp]

Totally agree on slack hardtails with short chainstays. Also, feels unbalanced with long (about 500mm) reach.

[@shannonwade9933]

Love your new rig! I rode an Evil DOC x long frame on 26” wheels and a 140mm Pike for 11 years, although I thought it was great, it beat me up. Now on a Stache, carbon rims and fork (130mm corrected) and xt kit. It is so playful with the upright seatpost and slack fork. So I guess I agree... Thank Jeff, keep up the excellent work!

[@bradharris8516]

Your thoughts on HD sizing actually make perfect sense and now I don't feel so crazy anymore. I built a HD based off the sizing and numbers of my FS enduro rig (less travel obviuosly). And every time I'm out on it I swear it feels too big and not as playful but than part of me is thinking that no way it can't be, it must be operator error. I've been thinking about sizing down for the past few weeks and this pretty much solidifies my thinking now. Thanks man! Absolute legend!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Thanks Brad, my first prototype was the exact same reach as my FS and it was unridable.

[@bradharris8516]

@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss and it makes complete sense now why. Thanks!

[@reubenneate3492]

Love the geometry discussion I've been building up a hardtail over the last year as I come across parts at good prices and available and this is making me want to take start stripping them from my full suspension

[@mikecarlino5275]

awesome...subtle changes but that's how you and Reeb dial in perfection !! i just got in line for a sqweeb, but as a long time HT rider, this may need to be my 2nd bike !!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Definitely!

[@UltimateMTB]

Wow that bike is sweet! And the geometry makes sense, for trials stuff and local rocky trails full of tight turns, having a nimble bike is more fun. My current bike has 486mm reach, sure my arms are bent a lot when riding but it feels great for the local stuff

[@nikkotate7541]

Agree that hardtail reach needs to be shorter than full suss. When you’re descending and the fork is compressing the reach is increasing and if it’s too long the bars can get away from you a bit. I have a taller static stack too for similar reason. Good vid.

[@garykidson]

Congrats Jeff, great looking rig. Loving my Sqweeb by the way, cheers for the advice on bike and the DVO coil! Need me some of those green spokes for it now.

[@Max-xl3ml]

You geo theory makes a lot of sense since when you sink into your travel on a hard-tail the head-tube gets steeper and the reach gets longer. Also for a general rider I think super short chain-stays feel harsher whether its because shorter tubing flexes less or because your body weight is balanced more rearward. Can't wait to see more riding clips.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

thanks for checking it out

[@chefsmac6910]

Beautiful color. Looks amazing.

[@jonascape6776]

I forgot the hahaha ooops! Nice stuff...not the man bun the bike! Lol

[@brentv7299]

Amazing bike - congrats! Can't wait to see it on some technical trails and hear your thoughts about the updated geo.

[@xav_1029]

I thought I was the only person that preferred shorter fronts on HT’s. Love my ‘16 Nimble 9, sold a Vanquish after a few rides

[@Manwichman]

Hardtail or full suspension Jeff? Which one do you prefer?... I've only had a hardtail but I live in Michigan but suits me okay. Thanks

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

I honestly love both, If I had to choose a forever bike it would probably be the hardtail.

[@TrailSage]

Bike is looking super dialed Jeff, congrats on the new whip! Love a shorter bike myself, makes for a playful feel on the trails.

[@sapinva]

Pretty bike! I'm pretty happy with the mods on mine. The slack seat tube doesn't bother me at all, and I love the high bb, feels like my trials bike. Only down side is that slack front makes it really hard to endo, doubt a longer stem would change that for me.

[@SUPERCOOLZZ]

I think part of the reason why you want a shorter stay on a full suspension because any attempt to shift your weight back is absorbed by the suspension which lowers the rear. I have the new Meta AM 2021 (long and slack) and the short stay lets me do basic trials moves with 160mm or rear travel.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Rad! All these chain stays are short. They’re just not tire rubbing seattube shirt anymore lol

[@martind.almonia4849]

i like this old school frame like mine too ,its just that really hard for me to bunny hop and mannual ,but by your tutorials it really inspire me to keep on riding and more practice ,Thanks jeff....

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Awesome! Thank YOU!

[@jurisx85]

Love the geo, and man, that color is fantastic... . There's a ton of pressure in the market to get you to size up, and I belive that, in most cases, that could take away most of the fun aspect of a bike. Thanks for teeling like it is.

[@RobbiePfunder]

that is one sick lookin bike dude! love the tweaks

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

thanks dude

[@leroygt1]

Nice! Looks great! (except for the spokes). I want one! As for geometry, I guess the 1990's MTB builders knew what they were doing!

[@walterreyes7664]

Beautiful bike ...I like the color combo, and the simplicity of the frame ...How the new vittoria mazza ride and feel on the trails? ...👍👍👍👍

[@eriknaparstek3277]

Great, informative explanation into the evolution of mTn bike geometry. I’m definitely a layman in terms of numbers and bike geometry. I’m an east coast dude(mostly Long Island rider)I can certainly relate to some of the differences mentioned above between 90’s mTn bike geo and current set ups. Up until recently I’ve been riding a 95 Fat chance Yo Eddy. I recently picked up a new and current incarnation of the same bike. While the geometry numbers don’t seem as extreme as some other modern day hardtails. I still definitely notice a huge difference between the geometry of then and now. Thanks for explaining some of these differences and putting it into words a layman like myself can understand.

[@hardmtnbiker]

I agree with your theory. The longer and longer reach with steeper and steeper HTA of hardtail’s trying to catch up to full squishy does not translate. I also agree that super short chain stays are not necessarily the answer all trails. My SS has a slider and I can slam it forward or stretch it back. I’ve tried both and I like slammed forward slow technical tight turns but pulled back is nice for cleaning steep climbs and also nice on steep descents. My newest frame is 66HTA with a 420mm reach at a size small(I’m only 5’6”) I’m waiting on parts to build up but this frame is slightly slacker and longer than my last frame plus has a shorter BB height. I can’t wait to ride it. Someday I’ll get a Reeb, I think steel or Ti hardtail’s allow me to feel connected to the trail. I’m not a fan of tinkering with shock settings and suspension pivots, but I know they ride nice I’ve had my share of full squishy bikes too.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Glad you liked the video! Hope to see you on a Reeb someday.

[@blueeyedbiker681]

Heya EL Jeffe' !! Whats *GOOD* , TrailBossMan !?! Did You say 65degHT? I'm sittin@ 64 static.( '12 Remedy-Mullet26r-rear is short shocked -w/27.5fork+26'wheel). Took some stem changes to nail it but it perfect meow!!! Oh ya,.let a dude know if ur gonna make it to GBP this year,.Please and Thanks! Glad to see ya'z again !!

[@jonathanspoelstra8429]

Sweet Rig and Great info Jeff!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

thanks dude

[@grishman5000]

Awesome build, Jeff! So cool that you’re able to design the bike to fit your style of riding. Can’t beat a nice chromoly hardtail!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Thanks for checking it out. Being able to design bikes is rad but it's also difficult. In the past I'd just get on a bike and I'd convince myself it was good or otherwise I'd think I was doing something wrong if I didn't like it. Now when things aren't perfect I have no one to blame but myself.. lol

[@websherp]

Can't wait to see it in action

[@musgravecycles]

I'm your same height and ride an XL Chameleon with a 487 reach/50mm stem and actually wish the reach was a touch longer...but I don't want the wheelbase any longer for NC technical riding either! All those super slack hardtails people like Hardtail Party/etc like are great for out west but too long for east-coast riding. Good call on lengthening the chainstays!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

I still own the 485 reach and it's good for some stuff but the shorter one is more playful for sure, everyone rides different though so it's good to have choices

[@dennispikephotography]

As much as I love red hardtails, this color looks super slick! New bike, needs new photos, right?

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Let’s do it!

[@blueeyedbiker681]

WoWzerZ @ the wheelz!! JELLY!!!!

[@Flying90]

Wow that bike is awesome!! I started this video not knowing anything about bike geo and by the end of it I feel like I learned a lot! Ride on! 👍🏼

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Mission accomplished!

[@SubmarinersDive]

Nice Hardtail. Wicked cool color!

[@RomansDowntime]

Absolutely awesome looking bike!

[@ianfurqueron5850]

I'm definitely interested. I have a Large Megatower which feels great at the bike park and bombing down rough stuff at speed, but I then bought a Medium Chameleon. I plan to use that bike more for playing and "BMX type" riding, so I wanted to go smaller. Unfortunately, an injury has kept me from finding out if I made the right choice, but I think I did. BTW - I have one of your old red 4-Banger front triangles from way back. If you want it to hang in your bike cave (no charge), let me know.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

That’s sweet! Where’d you get it?

[@ianfurqueron5850]

@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss I bought it at the Trexlertown swap meet ages ago. The guy who bought it from you only wanted the rear brake. I wanted the cranks. It's been floating around my house collecting dust ever since (because I can't just throw away bike stuff - even if it's broken). One of my teammates lives in Hackettstown, so I get up your way once in awhile. I live near Philly.

[@luukarends6946]

On the website its stated the bike is designed for 140/150mm travel, now a 140mm diamond has the axle to crown measurement of a 160mm fork. How do you feel about the overforking?

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

the bike is designed around a 562 axle to crown and the Diamond is 572 so it's a little tall but not super noticable, especially on such a long frame it's def less than .5 degree

[@raheemgahelable]

Damnit! That thing is beyond gorgeous!!!

[@leecurry8170]

Jeff, you know I'm a moto guy, so I welcome the 29er front, while the 27.5 makes me happy out back, as I can have shorter cs length, and still run longer stem to put weight on the front wheel, on HT of course, just my thoughts, but I see your thoughts and would like to ride your Reeb, as I like the quicker handling feature you have added. Let me know. Thanks, Ride On!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Let's figure out a way to make that happen!

[@Tequila628]

Recently subbed, not disappointed. Dunno how are you 193cm and are liking 460mm reach. I'm 186cm (6'1) with 91cm inseam and long arms and I feel like 480mm reach with 50mm stem is the perfect spot for me. Also, what's the point of hardtail (except some looking SUPER SEXY, yours included) when full sus are so much more fun?

[@Tequila628]

Oh yeah, hardtails are better for your trials type of riding, SO SICK!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Idk I love both. It’s 465 and to make it feel a little longer I had the stack made a little taller so I don’t need many spacers effectively making the bike ride longer. More spacers under your stem shortens the bike VS taller bars or head tube. I have my 485 reach bike to but this one is more playful.

[@juluisreyes9094]

It is like the marin elroy...steel is real..nice bike

[@jenmac287]

sweet bike. see on the trails.

[@ElevationEveryWeekend]

It’s 🔥. Love the shades of green!

[@mtbalpinecounty]

I'd love to get 1!

[@czechnolike]

I think there is a limit. Longer and slacker may get harder to climb, pop, hop, and manuever.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

exactly

[@L4J20]

Crazy! I was just thinking about putting carbon wheels on my Chromag. Wasn’t sure if it’d be a good idea or not 🤔

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

do it!

[@marko2806]

i am would like to see a 26 wheels and modern geometry how much fun would that be

[@mikieson]

you are good on a kids balance bike lol...you'll be a BOSS on any bike you get..2021!!!

[@johnnychangeband2555]

Hey Jeff, awesome videos! I'm thinking about getting a 2021 ReDikyelous and I'm having a hard time deciding on the frame size. I'm 6'0" tall and would have guessed that I would be a good fit for a large. Seeing that you at 6'4" ride a large in the current line-up, I am wondering if a large might be a tad big for me? Any advice is very much appreciated.

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

HEY!! Sorry for the late reply. What bikes are you riding now? That usually helps determine it as well as the type of riding you plan to do. I run a 45mm stem on mine, my friend Eric is 6 foot and he rides a large with a 35 and less spacers under the stem. You can always email me too if that's easier. [e-mail]

[@johnnychangeband]

@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss hey Jeff, thank you for the reply. I’m currently riding a 2017 Dikyelous medium size with a 60mm stem. I bought it from a friend and at first I thought it was too small for me but the more I ride it the more I like it. I have experimented with spacers and I think it’s fitting me well. I do think the large Redikyelous with short stem and not too many spacers would be a good fit. Anyway, Pocahontas State Park is literally right out my back door so I plan to be there Saturday at 2 and will say hi then. Thanks again, BillI

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

@@johnnychangeband awesome! Come say hi and check out my bike!

[@Yoda-em5mt]

Great info geo is almost the same as my ns eccentric in a primo version. What are your thoughts on bb drop for techie trails .

[@brianrand7191]

Longer CSL is on trend though. I was hoping it was going to be 27.5”

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

stay tuned

[@mattsescilla2889]

Hello Jeff this has nothing to do with your video about your new bike but I just had a question and I love your videos and your f****** awesome So when I do an endo around a corner not a huge Endo like I'm a normal person.. but my front wheel tends to go away from the corner how do I do an endo around a corner and keep my front wheel going towards where I want to go . This is the only way I could figure out how to contact you. I appreciate if you got back to me but if not dude you're awesome I appreciate all your videos I'm becoming a better biker because of you thank you

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Without seeing a video It’s hard to say but usually when I see people having problems is because they start to turn and they endo to get everything initiated but then instead of leading with their heads and looking through the turn they look straight or away from it and that stops the rotation. Make sense?

[@ToddNZMTB]

JL looks 30 again?! enthusiastic fella

[@RomeyRome413]

Any advice for someone who is in-between a size Medium and a Large mountain bike?

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

What type of riding do you do? On our bikes it's a 20mm gap between sizes. If you like to ride fast wide open trails go longer with a shorter stem, if you like tech go shorter with a longer stem. That'll get you to a pretty close area of overlap that you can choose from.

[@RomeyRome413]

@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss Thanks for your advice. I like the fast open trail stuff. I live in Florida and will be traveling the east coast. The bike I'm eying is a 2021 Stumpjumper EVO. At 5"9.5 I'm In-between an S3 and S4. I rode an S3, but it felt to crampped. I'm afraid the S4 might be to long for me.

[@MarioXcore1]

that man bun doe 😳😳😳

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Lol. It was a Covid project. 🤷‍♀️

[@erich5406]

I wish reeb made a frame with low stand over height. I want chromag stylus geometry but usa made. Anywayyy sick bike

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

How low? These are all as low or lower than a Cro Mag. Also custom geo is our specialty

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

Email me for some info [e-mail]

[@jeffhayes1855]

I want one

[@RAFSmartSam]

Nice bike mate but the hair hmmm but anyway good to see you again great vids.

[@jonascape6776]

First things first,,,,the man bun WTF

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

lol. I know....

[@AppleJack76]

I was searching for this comment 5 seconds in the video. I am now satisfied.

[@MikemoRides]

Shorter chain stays than a Trek Stache, sounds fun.

[@coolcycles]

You'd like a 1,5° slacker seat tube now? - the saddle is pushed back like that...

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

I'm still experimenting with the seat tube, I think the seat is a little far back in this video

[@mohomoho1]

Jeff. Is that a man bun? I knew you had it in you.

[@quard1an]

Wow 6'4'' and large. Here I am with 6'3'' on my Scott hardtail XL size. I guess XC is a different type of riding

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

That’s the thing. 3 sizes we’re confusing. The old L was really a XL by everyone else’s standards.

[@michaelburrows9219]

I had the same thoughts. Sizing and geometry has gotten sorta confusing lately.

[@pepeanza6187]

All your comments in how the bike geometry works only apply to the normal regular rider your are not a that rider, you can do anything on any bike.

[@VanekLarson]

Getting famous off of comments day 243, so I can live the dream, live every day like it’s your last🤙🤙

[@gregoryvierra6114]

What does this even mean?

[@ryanwest9267]

Beautiful bike, questionable hair 😂

[@gregoryvierra6114]

Dude, don’t be a dick plus you know he rides better then you ever will.

[@ryanwest9267]

@@gregoryvierra6114 im jokin bro, jeff's a legend

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

@@gregoryvierra6114 I'll totally take the busting lol

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

lol. I thought I'd slip it in and see if anyone noticed..

[@cbryants]

Noooooooooooooo. Not another man bun/douche knot..... Nice bike though!

[@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss]

lolol sorry!

[@cbryants]

@@JeffLenoskyTrailBoss lol. Just kidding Love your channel!!!