😳 THIS car is LEGENDARY! But where does it fit in Gr3?... Mclaren F1 GTR || Gran Turismo Car Profile

[@Rapid_GT]

PD - "Old cars should be slower" translates to " we can't be arsed doing BOP on them" and I reckon around 1/3 of Gr3 are abandoned regarding BOP Maybe the ( silly get) Silhouette will be better 😂

[@HogstonGT]

wow.....what is the point in it unless they make a new category for older cars.....great video tidge 😀

[@rowdyrooster25]

Hey tidge, I want to say thank you so much for doing something on this car. For real mate

[@michaelpage5499]

I really do love these comparison tests that you do,and appreciate the time it takes to do them. It’s Bathurst 12 hr weekend so I did my own custom 12hr race. In the hands of the A I that McLaren is a beast. It was consistently doing 1:59’s around Bathurst and was managing about 40 laps on a tank of fuel. All penalties active and set on professional level. Fuel and tyre wear at x1 and all other options set to real with random weather. I couldn’t match it and was only able to manage 2:02-03’s in the AMG(2016) so whilst I know you are rapid on GT7 it seems the A I are way better and somehow have a very good handle on a car that is pretty difficult to drive consistently fast. Keep up the good work mate. Your recent improvements/changes to your channel are kickin 👍🏼👍🏼. Love it.

[@olivertunnah3987]

If you didn't have a BOP on it is still OP in a straight line. Bathurst will be like heaven for it.

[@krishnavutla8452]

Love these comparison videos. I want to love this car so badly, but you are correct. The under steer is prominent. I do feel better though. I used this car for the Time Trial last week and I managed to do a little bit better than your time from this video. I got a 2:03:093 🎉. I am a B rated driver for reference. Of course I was battling that track for a good hour to get that time.

[@ChristopherBrown0073]

Seriously Tidge....expecting ANYTHING that even remotely resembles common sense from PD is wishful thinking.

[@abdel5089]

They just not smart!

[@josephmatuszak3855]

PD "philosophy" in BoP ... is ass backwards. If your goal is just to make everything uncompetitive based on year... then the entire exercise of putting more than 1 car in the category in pointless.

[@ghostlyrazgriz5228]

Your run on laguna surprised me. Because when i did a beat the meta style thing before beat the meta even started. The F1 was my 3rd fastest there. Only beaten by the porsche and 650.

[@tidgney]

I have no idea how, it felt terrible to me. This is with Fuel in the car if you did it differently maybe?

[@ghostlyrazgriz5228]

@@tidgney i did them in TT settings back then. But that wouldnt explain the difference from then to now.

[@ThatBluePit]

​@@ghostlyrazgriz5228 there may have been a handful of BoP changes in between as well that nuked some cars. I remember many of the current non-meta cars having a lot more horsepower than they do now. Sometime after the first physics change many of them had a lot of power stripped from them

[@noc1087]

Thanks for the car profile. I vote for the WRX next, please :)

[@The_BenboBaggins]

So old cars are in Gr3 are like the juke box at The Winchester, in there for reference... great...

[@Windchoir]

Damn, i liked this car so much in GT Sport... It was planted and despite low cornering speeds i could deliver consistent results. And when Monza or Le Mans were on the list in the Manu Cup - see ya guys :) I don't play Forza but it's really fun to see cars from different eras compete with each other. Polyphony could make it even cooler and it's sad to see that it actually regressed in that way.

[@cmad-gl7ie]

This Mecca can bet a Bugatti off the line or almost and still after all these yrs is almost as fast irl life. Top gear uk did a race yrs ago this car vs Bugatti and it was closer then one would think after all the yrs that had passed since it was made in the 90’s lol

[@wolffpackracing]

Its such a shame. I understand why they want newer cars to dominate more but it doesn't make sense that this car would be so comparatively slow. Anyway great vid as always Tidge 👍

[@bduddy55555]

I sorta get the policy of keeping these cars bad, because... If, hypothetically, every car had the same overall performance, then the manufacturers like McLaren that have more than 1 car would have an advantage over those that don't, because they would be able to change cars to better accommodate different tracks. It still sucks that great cars like this end up useless, but, I'm not really sure what else they could do.

[@tidgney]

I think I'd just prefer them to be 2/3 tenths off the top cars. Being over a second off just seems mad to me.

[@kierann0]

We could see that the Bop is more like a design choice than a real balance of performance, its just like PD pick some cars that are more popular and modern and gives it a great bop Like, the F1 could be a great rival for the Ford GT in straight lines, but the bop choice ruins everything I suppose the F1 should lose around 20/30 kilos to be able to take the corners better, if it's still not enough, give more power

[@Lanman106]

Would love to see how the Mitsubishi Eco stacks up. It was my first Gr3 main in GT Sport.

[@SSRT_JubyDuby8742]

Cheers Tidge 😊 Like deployed 👍 😎🎙🏎✅️

[@ThatBluePit]

Really a shame that the older cars (save the Castrol Supra) are so far off the pace, even on tracks where they should theoretically have the advantage. Heck, Gr. 3 in general really needs a more significant BoP change. The last one only really seemed to help the newer cars, some of which were already respectable in performance

[@ToxaKastela]

I remember when this car went out in Gt Sport it was fastest pick at many tracks especially with long straights, what happened?

[@TCR_PILOT]

I've a feeling they added weight and reduced bhp. BHP according to the Internet was around 600bhp, not 450 ish for bop

[@hepo3544]

no tidge you are legendary

[@bullseyes1983]

Maybe they should create a new "Vintage GT" category.

[@rowdyrooster25]

My hope is somebody from pd will see the massive difference in bop

[@thesunnynationg]

McLaren F1, it burns its rear rubber, I also tried the "no stop" last week's Nürburgring Race. I gave up after 2 tries.

[@hexor6t]

what a shame, i really wanted this car to be good but i already knew it was gonna be last or close to last

[@RACECAR]

I suspect Old cars needing to be slower is purely down to marketing. What would be the point of anyone choosing the Audi R8 LMS Evo (Which can be even turned into an Evo II) if the old one is just as fast or even faster? Why should anyone even consider the 2018 Nissan GT-R GT3 if the 2013 model is as good or even quicker? This gets magnified far more the older the car is so in the case of both the Aston Martin DBR9 AND the Mclaren F1 GTR, it would likely not be great marketing to have them either be equal or better then their more modern GT3 counterparts (by 2013-2015 standards). Notice also that all the older cars belong to Manufacturers currently active in the Manufacturers Series (The SIlouette and GT-R GT500 for Nissan, the DBR9 for Aston and the F1 GTR for Mclaren). The only exception appears to be the Castrol Supra and let's be frank, of course they weren't going to allow THE hero car of the very first game to be at the very bottom (Especially given who one of their partners is). Its not a mindset I or many would use but as I've had to live with over the years, PD do their own thing regardless if it makes sense to anyone else.

[@SteeeveO]

Trouble is, even tipsy Tidge with a blindfold would beat me with this car even if I was in the 911...🤔

[@davidshekhter5284]

Darn, this car sounds great but too slow. Next vote is the suburu wrx

[@meta7gear]

I disagree with Tidge's comments about wanting these cars to be bopped to be closer. The more cars PD need to juggle with BoP the worse overall it will suffer. Let these cars still be in the game ofcourse for casuals who want to drive around on their favorite car in offline races or private lobbies with tuning but don't overcomplicate the BoP by trying to balance another 15 cars

[@allenwilson1133]

I am nowhere a professional plan in this game, but I do believe that you should be shifting way sooner and the McLaren.

[@tidgney]

Not from my testing at nurburgring, this was the right place 👀. It's why I do Beat the Meta first to understand a car

[@hershellumiere]

Last place in mid speed?

[@ghostlyrazgriz5228]

Yes 🎉

[@TCR_PILOT]

Well according to Wiki this car competed in GT1 class of the 1995 BPR Global GT Series. So why on earth PD put it as a GT3 I'm baffled. Its true BHP was close to 600bhp and weight around 1100kg. You might think it would be put in a higher class and keep it's true weight and BHP!??

[@R4M_Tommy]

It doesn't have the downfroce for Gr.2

[@neblolthecarnerd]

The raw lap times the car makes is way closer to GR3 cars than GR2 cars. The other F1 is in GR2 because it's a later model with much more downforce

[@TCR_PILOT]

@@neblolthecarnerd but is that a lot to do with BOP reducing the BHP by approximately 150bhp? Maybe these dated cars need to be in a separate class instead of chopping off a quarter of its BHP to put it in GT3. Or do like Tidgney says just redo the BOP so it's a second quicker than it's current form

[@neblolthecarnerd]

@@TCR_PILOT no. I'm on about driving the stock cars around. If you drive the F1 stock it'll be closer to boped gr3 times than boped GR2 times. Therefore it should make more sense to bop it down into gr3. I reckon it needs a power buff with bop though. Make it a straight line specialist again.

[@olivertunnah3987]

If a BOP is purposely unbalancing a car due to it's characteristics (In this case age) then it is not fit for purpose. The whole idea of a BOP is to balance the pack not unbalance them. (Que Obi-Wan Kenobi meme) At least it has a place in offline mode where unBOP'd it is still the rocketship it is meant to be.

[@sankarichards9066]

Brz please

[@blaqjac21]

Love this car but it has a HUGE ballast that fucks the car up completely vs its stock form which doesnt make any logical sense . Pull some power from it 600 hp is alot but it needs the weight removed and power left alone and the car would be competitive . There is no reason why the car cant be competitive now vs new car with updated tires and the lack of weight it has ..

[@tidgney]

Completely Agree!

[@Marqn-lt2lr]

Now group 4 cars

[@Rapid_GT]

There's still a lot of Gr3s to do yet matey

[@tidgney]

They will be coming very soon!

[@emescub]

Most expensive GR3 and the WORST GR3 at the same time.

[@tidgney]

😂😂😂 I never clicked onto that haha!

[@shoomi_vr]

I just paid 15mil for a lemon 😭

[@hebisty4163]

It's top 5 gr3 for tuned gt3... because its among the lightest at 1100kg and all gt3 get 788-790bhp with high rpm turbo. It has one of the best power to weight ratios. But with bop it's bad yes