This Cast Speed Talisman was Made for Low Level Builds

[@lute6904]

Hand it over… that thing, your password scaling formula

[@krissekross]

Talisman so bad that you need 3 videos to explain why it’s bad

[@alexanderhenriquez9354]

Saint understands the storytelling 3 act structure.

[@ClydeNut]

still probably better than the verdigris discus

[@Birbucifer]

@@ClydeNut Hey now I like that one. Carried me through prime consort

[@johnfrankster3244]

Its not better than discus. You can use that for gimmick builds to stack damage reduction. Literally the only talisman more useless than stardust is lords bestowal.

[@joaovitorlima9952]

11:03 Watching Saint "out-anime" this katana dude really shows what the fun factor potential of this game is all about

[@amberhernandez]

"Nothing personnel, kid."

[@madserialkiller3394]

Seeing the frenzied eye beam phantom miss every shot because of Miriam's vanishing was so satisfying

[@alansquared]

Enjoyed the noble coming in to see what all the fuss is about after that first invasion

[@matuese1285]

"of all time" thinks of dark bead "maybe not of all time ok"

[@saintriot]

Very close to my thought process there but the thing I remembered was Scraping Spear.

[@zwerchau]

My level 9 int/faith build is eating so good post-dlc, now she's got max cast speed, a catalyst that can cast sorceries and incantations, and she can teleport into a carian cross combo or a dragonclaw (not to mention the potential of Madding Hand which I haven't been feeling evil enough to explore). Can't wait to see what shenanigans Saint can pull off at this level!

[@glowindark64]

That sounds cool. I just subbed😮

[@YarnhamBrainsucker]

Mad hand into o flame my beloved

[@dunmeroverlord]

I have a question, I assume you use a higher level weapon to kill stuff and get into the DLC, but whenever I get my stuff and discard the weapon I still can't invade anyone, how do you fix it?

[@cyberhawk9950]

@@dunmeroverlordthat’s not how it works. Once you’ve got a +11 weapon, you’ll be stuck in that bracket forever. Even if you discard it or trade it or whatever, the game keeps a note saying “this guy had a +11 weapon”, and you’re stuck in that bracket until you upgrade further. So you’re better off using spells since those aren’t accounted for in weapon match making.

[@YarnhamBrainsucker]

@@dunmeroverlord yeah basically if you are trying to stay at a certain matchmaking level your weapons need to reflect that as well. So for example if you are making a lvl 20 invader with plus 3 weapons, and you picked up rogiers rapier or the plus 8 halberd from the dude in castle morne. You are going to be out in plus 8 level matchmaking. But as a general rule of thumb I wouldn’t ever discard weapons unless you have like 20 of the same one. It’s just better to put stuff in your chest. You never know when you might want to use a weapon.

[@hobosorcerer]

I'm so glad you're covering this talisman, it DESPERATELY needs help before the game stops getting updates.

[@Linkarcus]

Knocking people off bridges peaked in DS2? Demon's Souls Storm Ruler: Am I a joke to you?

[@lazydatebase4424]

Saint as always will find uses for anything. Somedy has to mop up overleveled password summons.

[@KaedNinescarred]

Yeah, a lot of the time my lvl 40 invader Twink kills the summon and salutes the host then severs. I love the confusion of it

[@Zanemob]

@@KaedNinescarredThe Host is worse. Who is worse? The Leader or the Follower?

[@luisgrave1352]

omg the absolute actual madness of that phantom trying to snipe you with frenzy while you kept vanishing to disengage his lock on 😂 great video as always saint!

[@JohanFaerie]

Can confirm, other games do that too where something gets nerfed and no one uses it again. PoE has that a lot where a skill gets a slight nerf and no one uses it for 3 patches even though it didn't get a buff again and it's actually been fine the entire time.

[@nothingness217]

17:35 I remember when you put Katana Zero OST on your Heysel Pick videos. I miss those days.

[@vanderkarl3927]

Alright, that's more convincing. I can definitely get behind the talisman on low level builds for much the same reason as I can get behind the soreseals, especially since it would be that much more demanding to get 40 dex on a low level spellcaster.

[@Joeggurnaut546]

The Dragon Halberd is just a prime example of why fromsofts attempts to change multiplayer matchmaking will never remove twinking.

[@shiftgaming101]

It genuinely blows my mind that people simply stop using stuff because it gets nerfed. All it really signifies to me is that they were only concerned with winning, not having fun. When something gets nerfed, it just means you have to be more strategic with it. If you can still make plays with it nerfed, it means you are objectively a better player, not crutching on something overtuned. 😌👌

[@littlesneets8026]

literally, i noticed this the moment the grafted sword glitch got patched. suddenly all the twinks in stormveil castle wearing the exact same armour sets stopped invading now that they had no means to have 13 virtual levels of Vigor. And hey, i've invaded and hosted invasions, with or without exploits. the devs patching them never stopped me from having fun with different builds and cosplays at low level.

[@johndang55]

When Rolling Sparks and Impenetrable thorns everyone stopped using it, whereas before everyone and their mother were running it. Same for swift slash.

[@vernalsiamang223]

8:04 if there’s a use for something in a Souls game, then there’s a use for something in a Souls game. i.e my DS3 fave, offhand Caestus punch leads to roll-catch/poise through one-handed greathammer R1, then into a true combo jumping attack. Non-swap Greathammers suck, but it’s funny that they have a one-handed true combo to mix into, and addicting to use when you land it against Murky or PKCS.

[@nektrune3381]

Shame the dragon halberd is such a go-to easy mode weapon, because it is so cool looking.

[@Vash141]

30 and 40 are pretty solid for the -30% stardust cuckery. You don’t feel it that much

[@Basidus258]

Oh hi Vash

[@bludgeon1081]

My favorite Mirriam's Vanishing combos: Mirriam's -> Death Lightning Mirriam's -> Briars of Sin Mirriam's -> Glinstone Nails (great as a mix-up for those expecting a close range spell).

[@fierygamingzilla69]

Knocking people off edges was peak in the ds3 dlcs especially ringed city and in gank city

[@johndang55]

At lower levels primary defence which is flat defences will be doing most of the work in reducing pre mitigated damage, such that percentage damage negation won’t be reducing much compared to 150 meta of max weapons.

[@bw3372]

5:14 the moment he's sure he's using this clip and realizes he might as well show us those numbers

[@envoyofrot7046]

Finally a new video of Saint "humble player" Riot. I am also a Miriam's Vanishing enjoyer for carian combo casting.

[@Fiwhale]

Ok so I did a few hours of Rl40 invasions with beloved stardust (flying of the shelf indeed) and marika's soreseal, using mostly crappy bloodspells (stone of gurranq + blade of Ansbach true combo mvp). And I have to say this was about the most fun I've ever had invading in this game. Night and day difference compared to rl60. For whatever reason, I just take way less damage than on meta level or any other level, with around - 15% dmg absorption from the talismans. How can this be? I'm convinced there is some kind of invader protection at this level, like Saint said. I just don't take any damage at all, it's insane.

[@Fiwhale]

Thanks for this video. Extremely informative and entertaining, very stylish build as well. I was wondering why I hate rl60 so much, even though it should be a good level in theory. This information opens up a lot of possibilities for fun builds at rl40.

[@amberhernandez]

Saint talking about knocking people off bridges and forgetting the comically lengthy knockdown from ultra weapons in Demon's Souls, which could turn a stray R2 clip into a three-meter slide off any steep drop in Latria smh

[@saintriot]

True. Latria was like one of those Japanese game shows where people keep getting knocked off obstacle courses.

[@Zythryl]

That Katana ZERO ost will never get old. :)

[@Banana-senpai]

7:23 I mean, they really did dirty to the hollow scaling overall, not just the carthus nerf. I loved my hollow build, but it felt terrible to use after the nerf

[@Felicificity]

Also he says it was a slight nerf but they slowed down its R1, which is its most important attack, and reduced its active frames and forward momentum when two-handing, AKA how everyone used it. Then they nerfed the hollow infusion and bleed in general. It’s the difference between PKCS and falchion. PKCS is the best weapon in the game due to its range and speed, while falchion (same moveset as the Carthus) never sees the light of day. Carthus is definitely better than falchion and some people do use it for its damage and bleed, but it makes sense why the general playerbase dropped it. Plus the DLC dropped the follower saber, which is almost identical to the Carthus but with a better weapon art. Carthus is still really good I agree, especially one-handed, but it’s just really obvious that pre-nerf and post-nerf are basically different weapons.

[@Banana-senpai]

@Felicificity well, that's because it had a "light" curved sword moveset instead of the "long" curved sword moveset. That's the only reason why the pontiff knight cs is broken. Carthus cs is more than playable if not for the comparison with such stagnant meta.

[@amberhernandez]

I started playing in 2021, and built a Hollow/quality character (40/40/40!) after I got into invading. Hollow Warden Twinblades and a Carthus CGS made for some of the most fun fights I've ever had. I never got around to using the Carthus curved sword, mainly because I didn't want to overlap movesets with my main weapon. I'll definitely give it a shot after this and see how it stacks up, hahaha!

[@spideywebster4541]

9:10 the way he died kills me 😂

[@amberhernandez]

Killed him, too!

[@JohnnysGoldenFiddle]

Miriam’s my beloved (stardust)

[@hollowdoor99]

I coop with friends. As a phantom I prefer being the same level, or at least very close in level to them. Seriously it helps a lot because the nerfing can be quite strong with big level differences. It may make no sense to someone who invades a lot, but being summoned very overleveled makes you very squishy. And it's not just because bad red man is around. Mostly the mobs will hit like a truck if you are much higher level than the host. But I don't always have a close level to my friends so I'll chose the next tier up. Maybe they are level thirty, and they summon my level 80 character. We're not even trying to do the gank thing, but we still want to play together. They don't need help either since they are experienced players. We just like hanging out, and playing together. I imagine the same is true for a lot of the overleveled phantoms you encounter. They aren't necessarily there to protect the host, but are friends who only have that character for summoning.

[@billwilson1943]

11:03 nothing personal kid

[@dogalolo]

I also need to give Miriam's Vanishing a shot (I didn't even get to try it in PvP at launch, because I was a little preoccupied with the DLC) but another anti-lock-on tool is the Unseen Form sorcery. I'm pretty sure it reduces the range at which your opponent can lock on to you, and maybe removes lock on when you first cast it?

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

NGL, Elden Ring has some peak bridges and some really cool stuff to fight around but gankers are the most boring people and just go for flat, boring locations. Take, for instance, the big long bridge in Weeping Peninsula. Sure, there's a lot of big flat empty but there's also a lot of cool stuff. Other example - the upper ramparts of Redmane Castle has lots of cool stuff. My dream would be for locations of interest to get a "treasure finder" mode where exploring major locations in multiplayer can get you nice items and encourage people to do multiplayer around them.

[@saintriot]

I've always wanted a fight club held on a narrow bridge so that players have to make the most out of little movement

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

@saintriot The madman who loved DS2's arena bridge 🤣 honestly sounds great. You might need to ban some spells and ashes, though. But also you KNOW someone is gonna show with a Moore cosplay! But for real - these games benefit a lot when the spaces you fight matters. Honestly at this point my best hope is to be the host I wish existed. To play multiplayer around cool places myself.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

@saintriot Actually, super mean idea- fight club by the poisonous rock in Weeping Peninsula. Fighters gotta do King of the Hill (the hill being the rock) to not stand in the poison!

[@TheValiantBob]

Something I just thought of. I've heard people say that the carian sorcery sword is up there with the demi-human queen's staff as the best casting tool around 40 int. Wonder if it would be worth it making a low level invader using that plus the stardust talisman, since both perform best at lower levels.

[@pudl253]

Saint, I've been rewatching old videos trying to find the one with a "DJ Khaled at the polls" bit, and I genuinely cannot find it, I quoted it three weeks ago and my fiancee still thinks that I'm insane; please tell me what that one was called, please tell me I didn't just imagine it

[@HighLordWesley]

PUT LOCKET ON THE DOCKET You're not crazy man lol

[@diegoalderette6485]

The same thing happens in path of exile. A certain skill or mechanic will get a slight nerf, youtubers/streamers say its gutted/nuked from orbit, and no one will use it any more. Goes to show how little gamers think for themselves, and need their fav youtuber to tell them what to think and how to feel about a videogame.

[@hobosorcerer]

... Did you not watch the video, or any of his videos on this talisman? He still thinks the talisman desperately needs buffs so it can be usable broadly, not just at low level.

[@vincentguillemain1684]

@@hobosorcerer They are talking about Miriam's vanishing not the talisman.

[@FlagrareUnbound]

I was really wondering about these dirty little fingers. And now we know they get everywhere.

[@alabaz]

i love the star dust it makes my brain go faster as well

[@Justins1877]

How…. How do people STILL not know there is spawn invulnerability?

[@glumboflumbo]

I run a spellsword build similar to yours but with the royal greatsword, it’s really fun you should give it a try!

[@saintriot]

I did a while back. I made a video on it. Surprisingly good.

[@Velumbra]

Making me wanna try Miriam's teleport spell.

[@GaMeZaHoY]

if you think about how vigor scales, lvl 40 should be a good meta level for pvp

[@donniejules86]

Hot take ,”mean” is not what you use but how u choose to use it , ur behaviour whilst invading makes a tool mean , not the tool itself , hope that makes sense , great video Saint !❤

[@savic1984]

is there a reason i cant connect my carian greatsword spell in piercer? i got max cast speed

[@Cracked_Moon]

17:06 to be fair, it was still pretty confusing. maybe next time, host

[@Jormyyy]

How tf did you get a lvl 40 invasion at MOUNTAINTOPS OF THE GIANTS??

[@amberhernandez]

One of the badredman community got a level 1 invasion in Mountaintops. I'm assuming it's the babysitters carrying them to go get useful stuff, like crafting recipes that can't be traded. Marika knows, we can't _not_ pitch rot pots every five seconds!

[@saintriot]

The host could be up to level 60, which is still pretty low for that area but not too far off.

[@realBlackFriza]

‼️time to hit the dojo‼️

[@Kumo-s6f]

Saint will succeed where Sisyphus failed.

[@gretchling5012]

Elden Ring Invader GETS LOW

[@ledero5]

What upgrade levels are you playing at?

[@malikchampion9550]

Dude I just thought of the best thing. A long stream where he makes a character named Twunk that is as bad as he can possibly make it! And to go to the next site of grace he has to summon a twinked viewer and gets invaded. Everything else is up to him, but to go to and new sight of grace he must repeat the process. PS. "it's the meanest twink tool of all time." Immediately, that is hyperbole I have gone too far.

[@Stephetheon]

the problem with PvP at that level is rot pots

[@R_T_G_YTC]

7:02 that's the mentality of people who only play with meta builds. People who only use the best and nothing less. Pokémon, Smash Bros, Tekken, and even single player games like Dragon's Dogma.

[@shaliir]

Yes I agree Miriam's Vanishing is terrible and no one should use it. I just use it on any build that involves any casting to show how bad it is so no one makes that mistake. Real and true, trust.

[@boaskielll5098]

do a lvl 9 build next

[@sirrealism7300]

Does anyone even know how the poise estus icon talisman works???

[@junoglrr9119]

you drink, you get poise but only when you drink

[@robertwalton434]

You can see how much poise it gives you when you menu fast enough, it’s about 50% more poise. Imo it will never replace endure unless it gets buffed.

[@bludgeon1081]

@@robertwalton434 Not even with heaviest armor in the game?

[@robertwalton434]

It’s not a bad talisman, but endure is 9 fp and more powerful than lord’s bestowal. LB also only works while you flask. For my builds, endure is just better. If you like LB then use it. There are worse talismans.

[@sirrealism7300]

What kills me is that is weights 3.0 !!!! Wtf from!?

[@franka76]

Humble Player...Ha! 👍

[@isiahbertrand3764]

i came here for fast casting consequences be damed hand it over

[@_Ethereal420]

Im starting to think this is another one of the talismans that are only good at low level pvp

[@D.Wags98]

How dare you call me out for using the Dragon Halberd. Honestly it is my favorite Weapon, who cares it’s good! lol

[@Sheesh7328]

Just use a dex faith build for cast speed

[@humanratteler9760]

Made for low level builds you say. While being past mohg, radahn, and some questing

[@burtburtist]

Theyre doable at any sl or weapon upgrade, this is the most casul player friendly entry in the series, just use status ailments on both of them. Makes the fight a snooze but 3 years from release its not like anyone cares How you kill them

[@humanratteler9760]

@@burtburtist nothings made for low level of it isn’t placed in reasonable low level accessible areas. Or it is made for it, and it was placed in a bad area

[@burtburtist]

@@humanratteler9760 what

[@johnfrankster3244]

There is literally never a good reason to run it at any level. You use radagon icon/dex crystal tear, or offhand azurs & your cast speed is pretty much the same.

[@ColdColaCaptain]

I say play bloodborn to become immune to vanishing spell and also cus good game

[@Evolfurnace]

Hi shane

[@couriersix7504]

2 minutes in saint talking about overleveled phantoms at level 9-30 bro is just objectively wrong.

[@iveneverseensuchbehaviorin5367]

I agree with saint, password phantoms seem drastically scaled down at that level compared to level 60.

[@couriersix7504]

@ i play at 25 regularly lately. ANY competent overleveled can stack the proper buffs/talismans for easy 1-2 shots. The only way to combat it is to abuse perfumes.

[@burtburtist]

Still waiting on the update that removes scaling down, ptde update to btfo ol babysitters

[@Gotsyn]

A low-level build talisman that you get in a DLC where you need to be minimum level 100, 125, 150 to get, good job fromsoft

[@saintriot]

I think From knows that a huge part of their community likes to challenge themselves with low level or no level runs. But let's be honest 99% of people that are looking for exclusively multi-player are just gonna have their friend drop it for them.